Glenn’s AR-15 stance: I can’t believe I am having this stupid discussion

On radio this morning, Glenn, Pat, and Stu continued a discussion that they had begun hours earlier during the morning production meeting about the wisdom of carrying an AR-15 into the workplace. The debate stemmed from an open letter penned by Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz asking customers to “no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas.” The sometimes heated conversation went on for nearly two hours, which prompted Glenn to proclaim, “I can’t believe I am having this stupid discussion.”

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“Let me emphasize what I said at the very beginning,” Glenn said referring to the discussion in the morning meeting. “You don’t know what it has taken over the last six months to get this building to be pro-gun. You as employees can come in and bring a gun.”

In response, Pat asked a question that ultimately set off a firestorm. “So tomorrow I can go ahead and bring my AR‑15 with me to work, fully loaded, and just carry it around with me all day. Right,” he asked.

“You’re being a jerk,” Glenn said to Pat, “because there’s no reason for you to do that other than to poke fingers in people’s eyes.”

Pat used the hypothetical argument that he arrives at the office at 4:30am each day – before most of the building security arrives – and carrying his AR-15 would allow him to defend himself.

“And as your employer, I so salute you for wanting to be safe and wanting to carry a gun and taking it into your own hands,” Glenn said. “And so I would say to you that is fantastic. And how many times have you gone out to the shooting range to shoot it?”

So what is Glenn’s stance exactly? He is obviously pro-Second Amendment and the policies he has implemented at TheBlaze’s Dallas offices reflect that. And he also made it clear that he has no issues with the AR-15, it just happened to be the example because that’s the type of firearm Pat owns. Glenn argued, however, that carrying an AR-15 around the office might not be the most responsible decision.

“I’m sorry, responsible human beings have a right to carry a gun, and responsible human beings need to understand other teammates might be uncomfortable with somebody brandishing a firearm,” Glenn explained. “If I want to carry a gun, I’m going to carry a gun. And if your business doesn’t want me in there, that’s OK. I’m not going to hold it against you. You have a right to do it. But as a useful member of society, I’m not going to walk around and be a jerk all the time just because I can. How is that unreasonable?”

  • HP McLovincraft

    If the Gun Ghoulies don’t calm down their rhetoric and take a chill pill, the Big Bad Gubmint Man gon’ take away their toys. 

    “If the reason you own guns is to respond to tyranny – you would have acted by now.”-Max Keiser

    “Believing the 2nd Amendment will protect you from tyranny is like believing the 1st Amendment will protect you from Thor”-Bill Maher

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Spot-on.

    Glenn is a bigger threat to what gun-owners perceive as the Second Amendment than President Obama could ever be.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher
  • Gristle McThornbody

    This is hilarious! 

    What’s your point?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    And history shows that Bill Maher is clueless. Tuvia Bielski and many other people in history disproved your hero. http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/revolt/bielski.html

  • Gristle McThornbody

    How?

  • Gristle McThornbody

    This is good example of a straw man argument, by the way.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    Remember it not guns that kill people it is crazy liberals that do.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    Of course liberal media will not talk about these facts. http://youngcons.com/9-potential-mass-shootings-that-were-stopped-by-someone-with-a-personally-owned-firearm/

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Mother of god….

    Even the pictures you post have grammatical errors.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    These people who see imaginary AR15s and all other evil black assault rifles are obsessed with them and want all guns banned whether they are modern semi automatics or ancient black powder burning muzzle loading arms. Anything that can launch any kind of projectile with enough impact force to penetrate and thus damage a target, regardless of the nature of that target is their target, period. These people are not rational thinkers, they only know what they want to and only recognize facts they want to recognize – everything else does not exist in their self imposed exile from reality. 

    Every time I come across one of these folks, I just think of their outright rejection of the laws of physics, and their inability to accept factual existence of things and people who differ from their narrow minded opinions and simply smile and walk by them. You can’t convince them of how wrong they are, or how oppressive their zeal is to others. They can’t and won’t hear anything that you can tell them. They are the flat earthers of the modern age.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    No it is called history.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    How so? 

  • Gristle McThornbody

    How fucking funny would it be if The Blaze was shot up by an employee?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    No it is not I just watched a movie about the group and it was the first one that popped into my head.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    My assault rifle is more gunmetal grey than black, though….

  • Anonymous

    “After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn’t do it. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military.” ~  William Burroughs  
     
    The recent mass shooting took place in a gun-free zone inside of a gun-free zone ( i.e., a “secure” naval base inside of D.C.) yet the government still can’t protect its subjects from Mr. Crazy Man.
     
    Mr. Crazy Man will continue to kill people, and the government will continue to highlight Mr. Crazy Man as the ostensibly reason why guns should be banned. This despite the fact that more individuals die from honey bee stings than die from these media/government hyped mass shootings. So, I’d be more worried about killer bees than mass shooters.
     
    23,000 Americans will die from anti-biotic resistant bugs this year compared to a few hundred deaths from mass shootings. Do the math: 2300/356 = 63 per day.  So, 63 deaths per day.
     
    I could give so many more examples including how guns actually prevent crime. Personally, I carry a gun almost everywhere I go. I’ve used a gun to prevent crime, and I’ll tell you this: When the moment of truth arrives, and Mr. Crazy man is shooting at you, a gun in your hand is worth an army of police who are minutes away………

  • Anonymous

    “After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn’t do it. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military.” ~  William Burroughs  
     
    The recent mass shooting took place in a gun-free zone inside of a gun-free zone ( i.e., a “secure” naval base inside of D.C.) yet the government still can’t protect its subjects from Mr. Crazy Man.
     
    Mr. Crazy Man will continue to kill people, and the government will continue to highlight Mr. Crazy Man as the ostensibly reason why guns should be banned. This despite the fact that more individuals die from honey bee stings than die from these media/government hyped mass shootings. So, I’d be more worried about killer bees than mass shooters.
     
    23,000 Americans will die from anti-biotic resistant bugs this year compared to a few hundred deaths from mass shootings. Do the math: 2300/356 = 63 per day.  So, 63 deaths per day.
     
    I could give so many more examples including how guns actually prevent crime. Personally, I carry a gun almost everywhere I go. I’ve used a gun to prevent crime, and I’ll tell you this: When the moment of truth arrives, and Mr. Crazy man is shooting at you, a gun in your hand is worth an army of police who are minutes away………

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Did you notice than none of these incidents involved someone intervening with an assault rifle?

    Fuckface?

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Did you notice than none of these incidents involved someone intervening with an assault rifle?

    Fuckface?

  • Gristle McThornbody

    No, it isn’t.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    No, it isn’t.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    I just watched Back to the Future: Part II

    Butthead!

  • Gristle McThornbody

    He isn’t convincing anyone. The only people who like Beck’s argument already agree with him.

    As a longtime gun owner, Glenn is the fucking LAST person I would want arguing for gun rights..

  • Anonymous

    Along with the privilege of owning and having the right to carry a weapon comes the responsibility of propriety and if there is no pressing need to carry a semi auto weapon like a AR 15 rifle in public where there is a number of people and not in a recommended area such as a firing range or for hunting then why make yourself out to be impolite…..The Right to Carry makes for a polite society and manners is what keeps your rights from being questioned…

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    First, your entire line of this post is very insulting. You insinuate that all people who own or use firearms are knuckle-dragging idiots. You could not be more in error. 

    Your insinuation that people who are pro Second Amendment, and know the meaning of it in the context of history, are idiots is not only extremely snarky, but it smacks of effete snobbery and assumed superiority, with little to back up that impression or assertion. Liberals often use this tactic to cover for their own ignorance of a subject as if their lack of expertise or knowledge equates with the real importance of a concept, thing or belief. In short it makes you look prejudiced, bigoted, and generally projects an image of you that is somewhat less than admirable or persuasive. 

    If there were anything to your condescending trash talk, that would be something, but as it is, you are only making yourself look intolerant and ugly. I suppose that is all you know, or all you wish to. 

    Bill Maher references let us all know we can disregard your posts and opinions – thanks for clarifying that for us.

  • Randy Mullis

    There is nothing like a liberal bigot talking about guns. 

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    You really need to see a mental health professional.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    What is your counter-argument?

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Troll – we can see you found a computer with internet access. 
    If you have a point besides the one that keeps your hat from sliding off your head, please get to it. You are boring the hell out of us.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rigoberto.serrano.39 Pachy Serrano

    I am a supporter of the 2nd, but man, my grandfather used to tell me that there is limits for everything in life and guns are not exception. Why we need regular folks armed with AR-15s, M-16s, bazookas, granades, etc. Are you getting ready for a revolt?? Cause let me tell guys, conservatives can buy all the guns in the entire US and if our Govt. or any otehr Govt. decides to throw a bomb or use drones on us . . . we are fried!! The technology used by our military is way too advance and fast for few millions with guns and AR-15s. Many Americans still believe they are Rambos or something like it. If someone enters your house or try to steal you car, a regular semi-automatic pistol will do the trick cause the last time I know a bullet is pretty fast and anyone can shoot today’s guns, even kids. We are as addicted to guns than a crack head!

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Clearly you’re none too bored….

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    The Second Amendment is all the argument I need. You have nothing that trumps it.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    I doubt you are a long time gun owner.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    I don’t get bored, but that does not make you any the less boring.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Correct.

    This is not “Red Dawn”

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Thanks, I’ll be here all day.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Thanks, I’ll be here all day.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    I just did.

    He says I’m fine.

  • Randy Mullis

    I listened to Glenn today and thought his augment of  common courtesy about bringing a long gun to work carried much weight. I carry a handgun to work and have it on me all day and everyone knows it and no one ha asked me not to. 

  • Randy Mullis

    I listened to Glenn today and thought his augment of  common courtesy about bringing a long gun to work carried much weight. I carry a handgun to work and have it on me all day and everyone knows it and no one ha asked me not to. 

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Yeah, sure you did, and you are far from fine.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Yeah, sure you did, and you are far from fine.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    ….okay?

    I don’t get tired, but this workout is tiring. 

    I don’t get horny, but my cock is super hard right now.

    I don’t get angry, but alkdj ;lke j;arjd ;alkj;FUCK YOU

  • jo blo

    Hey, Gristle…

    I know you won’t sift thru the stuff in the other article about Nye and Maher, but I have a question for you: you claim to speak french fluently, right? 

    Why did you refer to a female teacher as ‘le professeur’? Shouldn’t it be ‘la professeuse’? I don’t claim to speak with total fluency, but I do automatically make that adjustment…

  • jo blo

    Hey, Gristle…

    I know you won’t sift thru the stuff in the other article about Nye and Maher, but I have a question for you: you claim to speak french fluently, right? 

    Why did you refer to a female teacher as ‘le professeur’? Shouldn’t it be ‘la professeuse’? I don’t claim to speak with total fluency, but I do automatically make that adjustment…

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    You don’t recognize the term evil black rifle do you? That proves you are only here to troll – Media Matters must be rolling back all their troll’s hours to avoid the Obamacare penalties…

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    You don’t recognize the term evil black rifle do you? That proves you are only here to troll – Media Matters must be rolling back all their troll’s hours to avoid the Obamacare penalties…

  • Gristle McThornbody

    It is great to be fine!

  • Gristle McThornbody

    What does the Second Amendment argue?

  • HP McLovincraft

    Isn’t that bizarre that so many piTea Partiers think that any person who posts something they perceive as ‘librul’ is being paid? Where my damn check at?

  • HP McLovincraft

    Lucifer Our Lord! Sam is so damn stupid, I’m beginning to feel like I’m picking on the retarded.

  • Anonymous

    Are you sure? You look like you’ve just been shot……lol.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    You do not know the difference between an AR 15 and an M-16 do you? You have never seen either have you? You simply throw in all sorts of military issue weaponry to inflame the passions of your fellow trolls, don’t you, Pachy? 

    “Many Americans still believe they are Rambos or something like it.” That tells me you don’t know anything about Americans, much less know any. Where do you post this garbage from? 

  • Anonymous

    lol…..

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    You are not even remotely fine – unless you consider fine to be Freaked Out Insecure Neurotic and Emotional! That is what you project. Are you that self unaware that you cannot see that?

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Yes, it is.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    It is what it is, and you have no clue what it is – do you?

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Impossible – you cannot pick on yourself.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    I live in a French-speaking city and use it in the office pretty regularly, but I don’t doubt that I made that mistake as, tu sais, je deteste tapais en francais 

    Merci de me le dire et je suis tres tres desole. 

  • HP McLovincraft

    That’s what you said at the Glory Hole, too.

  • John W. Davis

    Your reasoning is Pure “BULL”.. If one may call it reasoning.
    As for the rest of your statement, if you can see what is coming than you not capable of reasoning, you are Blind. Why do you Feel that people that have never owned a fire arm are buying them? They are able to read whats flung upon  the the Wall.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Aw, poor baby. Here, let me lick up your tears. Mmmmmmm. They taste so good. Poor little crybaby.

    Do you need a nippy to suck, a diaper change or just the Waaaaaa-mbulance?

  • Anonymous

    About as funny as someone shooting you in a gun free zone. And that is nothing to laugh about. Your statement just proves that common sense was never your strong point! There is nothing funny about anyone being shot and killed.

  • HP McLovincraft

    I agree. Let’s regulate the Holy Hell out of guns and bullets so much they’re not only well-regulated they’re burnt-regulated. Just to be dicks.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Which Darren was best on ‘Bewitched’?

  • HP McLovincraft

    You think with total flatulence.

  • HP McLovincraft

    I doubt your genetic line is long time human.

  • Anonymous

    Pachy Serrano–YOU are part of the “problem” . . .
    This is a good example of the “gun enthusiast” community fighting itself.  The duck hunters don’t like “black rifles” so they don’t care if they are banned.  The traditional rifle owners don’t care if machine guns are banned because “they have no use for them”. 
    I have heard many gun owners ask “why do you NEED an AR-15″??  Friends, it’s not about NEED but is an “insurance policy” against tyranny.  Gun owners need to support each other and STOP THE INFIGHTING.  Remember, an attack on ONE is an attack on ALL.  The gun-banners want ALL of the guns, but are willing to take them a little at a time.  When your “black rifle” are gone, they will come after the “sniper” bolt-action rifles.  They want them all . . .
    As to your premise that government is invincible, you, my friend, are mistaken.  From the Revolutionary War (in which a superior fighting force was taken down by a bunch of ragtag Colonialists) to many other wars, it’s not numbers, but SPIRIT that determines the outcome.  Remember, there are many more of US than there are of THEM.

  • 2War Abn Vet

    I guess you didn’t serve in Vietnam. Guerilla forces are difficult to pin down despite the massive firepower fielded against them.

  • Anonymous

    Every mass-shooter in the last hundred years has been a democrat.  Our more recent nut-cases have all been o’bama supporting democrats . . .
    The NICS (National Instant Check System) should be programmed to automatically disqualify o’bama democrats . . .

  • HP McLovincraft

    Your posting history shows that Sam Fisher is a gullible retard. And the spelling….Ye Gods!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kenneth-Smith/100004020651340 Kenneth Smith

    AS A MAINTENANCE MECHANIC I OFTEN WORKED ALONE AT PLANT SHUTDOWNS TO GET THE MACHINERY GOING FOR THE NEXT SHIFT. I HAD MY 45 IN MY TOOLBOX. BOTH THE PLANT MANAGER AND I ARE NRA MEMBERS. THEY WERE SEVERAL TIMES WE HAD TO ASK TRESPASSERS TO LEAVE OUR COMPANIES PROPERTY.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    No, I don’t as most armalites and my Sigs are grey-ish.

    What are evil black rifles? 

    Like suppressed MSG-90s?

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Should average Americans be allowed to own suppressed M249s?

  • HP McLovincraft

    I called some dumbfounded dimwit a ‘Choad’ at the Craft Store because he was carrying a gun in public. What a Cowardy Custard Mid-life Crisis Havin’ golf Shirt Wearin’ Doofus. 

    The last people who need to be carrying guns are you frightened Nancies.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Oh, because it’s such a big difference!

  • HP McLovincraft

    Reality Failer.

  • Anonymous

    One aspect of these “mass-shooters” that is overlooked is the pharmaceutical connection.  All of the recent shooters have been on some type of psychotropic drug . . .  Many of the psychotropic drugs given to these people have side-effects that can bring on psychotic episodes.  It would be worth looking into . . .

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Your Revolutionary War analogy is absurd.

  • HP McLovincraft

    The Schadenfreude of Internecine Strife! Delightful!

    Turn on the one Ghoul that makes sense in the pack…

  • Gristle McThornbody

    NOBODY REALLY HAS A PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU’RE DOING, ACE!

  • http://www.facebook.com/steve.booth.56 Steve Booth

    It’s actually very simple.  Perception is everything.  Rifles are perceived as primarily offensive weapons.  Pistols are perceived as primarily defensive weapons.  Thus, using a rifle in a defensive scenario is a) an improper use of the weapon, b) is a less effective use of the weapon in an urban environment, and even more so in the workplace, and c) most importantly, because you are misusing the weapon, it’s possession will send the wrong message.  Carrying it will by default be perceived as an offensive act when your intent is defensive.  Intent is immaterial, perception is everything.  You will be sending exactly the wrong message to those around you.

  • Anonymous

    And your evidence that he was a coward was?  Your evidence that he was having any sort of mid-life crisis was?  Your first hand knowledge of his doofus status was?  Your evidence that he is frightened is?

    Sounds like you just defined yourself by your own insults.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Sorry ’bout all the ‘baggers who are going to bite at you for being reasonable….

  • Gristle McThornbody

    With that, all of your arguments fall flat.

  • Anonymous

    Statistically, Doctors kill more people than guns do every year.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Well then you’re fine and I’m fine! I suppose we’re both fine! Yes, it’s great to be fine!

  • Anonymous

     ”After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the
    people who didn’t do it. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to live in a
    society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the
    military…(AND THE CRIMINALS–BAF)” ~  William Burroughs

  • Anonymous

    You remind me of a butt zit, a little pain in the ass.

  • Anonymous

    From the “American Rifleman,” October 2013 issue: “A 23-year old was parked at a gas station when she received sexual advances from a man she did not know. The woman asked him repeatedly to leave her alone.   Surveillance video from the gas staton shows the man approaching and the pair arguing. The woman then pulled a rifle from the trunk of her car. Video shows the assailant flashing a knife and trying to hit the woman before she fired. The suspect’s wounds proved fatal (USA Today, Houston, TX, 7/22/13)

    In an environment where the people “uncomfortable” with guns present have already been educated and Constitutional rights explained, bring the rifle into the building should cause NO problems among fellow employees.

  • Anonymous

    Quite the solid rebuttal there.  Your facts are where?

  • Elena

    Get a CCL and carry quietly.  Glenn is correct — common sense applies when open carrying.

  • Anonymous

    According the the Bill of Rights, yes.

  • Anonymous

    I’m with Pat on this one. ;-)
    In reality though. I doubt Pat will carry his AR everywhere. Its not exactly a light gun to be casually walking around with.

  • Mike Nelson

    FACT: Every gun-related mass killing in the US has taken place in a “gun-free zone.”

    If the perps thought they were “Rambos or something like it” they would be picking fights, not going *hunting* in a nature preserve (aka school, theater, workplace environment, etc).

    Also, you sound like Piers “Off the Deep End” Morgan when you go absurd and start talking about bazookas and grenades.

  • Anonymous

    “The technology used by our military is way too advance and fast for few millions with guns and AR-15s.”

    Really?

    If that is true, then how come the lightly armed mujahideen are slowly bleeding the U.S. to death over in the Middle East? The U.S. is spending trillions, yet they are losing hearts and minds and real estate…………

    Now, just think: Depending on which of the estimates you believe, there are between 50-90 million gun owners in America. If just 1% of those gun owners decided to employ gorilla & asymmetrical warfare , that would mean at there could be at least half a million D.C. snipers on the loose. Remember how the Beltway snipers shut down D.C.? Remember that? That was only two lightly armed and poorly trained men. Really a man and a boy. Only two snipers cost D.C. millions of dollars. Now imagine 10,000 snipers in every major city, can you do that? The whole fucking country would be shut down…..

    Let me tell you something: If Americans decide to use a Second Amendment veto as a means to change the American political landscape, the U.S. Military won’t be able to stop it. That doesn’t mean I think that things would change for the better. No, I don’t. Because Americans are too fucking ignorant for that…..

  • Gristle McThornbody

    I genuinely don’t like picking on Sam and he’s clearly in high school or earlier. 

    I remember being as retarded as he is on the internet when I had a 56k modem and circumnavigated work restrictions by going to Russian porn sites that AOL couldn’t filter.

  • Anonymous

    Oh  another thing. As angry Liberals can  get themselves. It may not be a bad idea to be armed and make it known that they are armed and it not just the security force.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    I mean anyone over the age of, like, 12 instinctively knows that Solid Snake would kick the ever-living shit out of Sam Fisher.

  • Anonymous

    Glenn’s comments are not surprising, simple common sense however, with all due respect ~ shows a lack of understanding of why the second amendment was added.  The Rambo’s are cannon fodder and in war cannon fodder is always necessary . . . .    

  • notalib

    I totally agree with concealed carry but have reservations about bringing a rifle to work.  With a handgun it can be on your person all day long and if trained you’re in control of the weapon.  How are you going to secure a rifle at all times?  I have AR’s, handguns and others.  If it was my AR I would have a difficult time slinging it, answering the phone, working on the computer, etc.  So–while I totally support the concept of being armed and safe and carrying I can’t say that I would take my AR to work.  To me it is a matter of controlling the weapon at all times.

    Besides, it might scare some lib or old lady to death! More likely the lib.  So yea, don’t be a jerk.  Take a nice trustworthy handgun and pack concealed and under your control.  

  • Gristle McThornbody

    It says nothing of the sort.

    Do you think average Americans should be allowed to own Javelins?

  • Anonymous

    What is absurd about it??  Only one-third of the colonialists wanted revolution.  The British Army of the day was a force to be reckoned with.
    You must be one of those “armchair warriors”  . . .

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Brilliant post, sir.

  • Zakk Osborne

    Lumping in grenades and bazookas with semi-automatic pea-shooting rifles like the 5.56mm AR variants just goes to show your mindset when it comes to those weapons. They’re counting on people like you, you know. The governments of Libya and Egypt fell with only a million or so.

    “Many Americans still believe they are Rambos or something like it.”

    That statement nullified your entire spiel. Your opinion is skewed by your false perceptions.

  • Anonymous

    I think this illustrates a great point–we emphasize gun ownership relentlessly, but grossly neglect the responsibility aspect.  I know it’s unpopular on this forum, but I would advocate making it a legal requirement for all gun owners to own a safe in which to keep their guns.  It would help prevent stolen weapons and accidents.  I think we should also require a gun safety course that discussed responsibility, ethics, and law before a person’s first firearm purchase (think like hunter’s ed).

    I think everyone should have the right to own a gun, whether for recreation, hunting, or self defense, but everyone must be made to understand the responsibilities and implications of exercising that right.

  • http://www.oes.org OESWebmaster

     Pachy, they are also trying to limit how many rounds can be in a
    magazine ; new York says 7.  How does that fit into your post?  Do you
    believe that they will stop at 7?

    I bet that the Syrian Rebels are appreciating the AR-15′s we’re dropping them, I’m sure that they Lybians liked it too.

    If
    you think that even 1/10th of the current gun owners in America, just
    10 million out of the 100 million, wouldn’t be a substantial force for
    the government, you just haven’t thought about this.  The government has
    only 1 or 2 million soldiers; nearly all of them and the police would
    be required simply to guard their own resources and the nation’s
    infrastructure against a massive, blended-in force that was about 3% of
    the civilian population.  What is the government going to do, bomb
    entire cities, drone entire neighborhoods?  You don’t think that would
    turn the entire country against the government?

    You need to
    rethink the utility of millions of guns in the hands of civilians in
    defending their civil rights against their own government.

  • Anonymous

     In actuality, if people are to be trusted with the right to bear arms, there is little valid reasoning for the restriction on what types of arms are allowed.

    You do realize that the original intent of the second amendment was specifically to resist a tyrannical government? Taken in that context, it would not be unreasonable for law abiding citizens to own such armaments. Are you aware that thousands of hobbyists and collectors across this country own restored and fully functional field artillery pieces dating from WWI and WWII? Pieces that can throw projectiles 8 to 12 MILES.

    Because of your knee-jerk analysis and apparent lack of understanding of the original intent, I find it difficult to believe that you actually support the 2nd amendment.

  • Daniel Ferguson

    Glenn and Pat, I have a couple of points. #1, Pat, if you must use an AR 15 for protection, then bring a case to put it in once you are inside the building, secure at your desk or locker so the “sight of it” won’t freak out others. I always carry a pistol when carrying a long gun. Also, Pat, maybe you need to work somewhere else, somewhere you don’t have to get up at 4 AM and arrive at work in the scary dark. One last thing, GET TRAINING!! Jeesh!

     #2, this is for Glenn, once you put any condition on our rights, ANY condition, then you are restricting the right. God gave us these rights as Americans and taking away our personal responsibility to have these rights is the first step to taking them away, completely. Am I making sense? Either Stu can carry a weapon or he cannot, stop trying to find grey areas. Let the progressives do that. Christians are a perfect example of how this government is restricting our right to free speech and practice of our religion. If we talk about gay rights or abortion, we are using hate speech.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    You’re equating weapons that were used in 2nd and 3rd generation warfare with modern small arms/light weapons.

    Will y SPIRIT persevere in the face of an M1A1 Abrams tank?

  • http://www.facebook.com/chrisinsmyrna Donald Christopher Smith

    A long gun is not necessary or appropriate for indoors self defense.  They are unwieldy in such closed confines, to say the least.  Entrance to a place of business with such a weapon would draw a visit from the police on almost every occasion.  If such a weapon is deemed necessary to defend oneself form some sort of mob unrest, one (or more) of such weapons should be stored in a place easily accessible to the employees.  If there is the possibility that the general public may visit the premises, the storage should be locked to prevent their usage by unintended person or persons.  Second amendment aside, guns should be used with a little common sense and a lot of safety.  For such close quarters, a powerful handgun with hollow point ammunition would be the most effective weapon.  If you want, keep a .44 magnum in your desk drawer.  Use the most safe and effective means for the situation, and pay attention to your gun etiquette!   

  • Gristle McThornbody
  • Gristle McThornbody

    I asked you. Enlighten me.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    It’s not too hard to figure out, you see it everyday.
    And those that were the farthest out have gone the other way. You see them on the freeway, it don’t look like a lot of fun. But don’t you try to fight it; “An idea who’s time has come.” Don’t tell me that I’m crazy. Don’t tell me I’m nowhere. Take it from me.

    It’s hip to be a square

  • Anonymous

    Our military with all their technology was not able to completely defeat the Taliban and other Afgan rebels.   Our military with all their technology has not been able to end the violence in Iraq.    In Somalia, they stood up to our military and won.   Now tell me, when a large portion of the country rebels and half that military defects with them, how will the other half of that military fry us all?    Riddle me that.

  • Anonymous

    Advocating for the death of a fellow human whom you disagree with… so let’s see, you trash the hosts right to a 1st amendment because you dislike his politics, and extoll the violation of the 1st Commandmant, his right to life, all because you dislike the 2cnd ammendment. Which the host was himself requesting that folks use common sense & courtesy in observing. Stay classy prog stay classy.

  • Anonymous

     And I am sorry that you feel so perfectly comfortable in using such vulgar terms in an open comment area.

  • Pam Dunn

    he pulled that from the dark smelly place where his head is located.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    And then their is the French Revolution, the American Revolution Vietnam War, The Cuban Revolution which you leftys love so much and Sun Tzu would also disagree with your lefty demi-god Bill for he lead an army from a small kingdom in early China against four bigger kingdoms united China under one kingdom. You know the guy who wrote the art of war. You see moron people have been fighting larger better equipped and trained forces since the beginning of time and kicking ass while doing so but you go right ahead and get your history lessons from a washed up comedian instead of opening a history book.

  • Anonymous

     …but accurate!

  • Gristle McThornbody

    You cited the Battle of Mogadishu. 

    American casualties: 18
    SNA Militia casualties: Unknown. Reports range from 3000 to 10000.

    And those guys had RPG-7s and RPKs.

    GOOD LUCK GUYS!

  • Pam Dunn

    Well, when the crazies start shooting or the thugs want to rob you, US gun “toters” will just stand and watch. The only DOOfus around here is you and your wadded up panties stink so go home and tell your mother you need a cgange.

  • Take 2

    WE should have a right to any weapons / Ammo that the Federal or State Government use…! 

    That includes drones and or any other devices that a taken over -  treasonous Government can use against it’s own (former) populist. 

  • OESWebmaster

     M1A1 tank?  LOL what are you going to do, take out cities and towns in pursuit of the 1% of armed citizens?  You are nuts.  Did you see the number of police required to attempt to capture the Boston Marathon bomber?  Did they roll in the M1 tanks? lol

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    You know he lost the debate he is already going to the personal attacks.

  • Anonymous

    Advocating for the death of a fellow human whom you disagree with… so let’s see, you trash the host’s right to a 1st amendment because you dislike his politics, not to mention the violation of his right to life, all because you dislike the 2cnd ammendment. Which the host was himself requesting that folks use common sense & courtesy in observing. Stay classy prog stay classy. I guess when you go shoot up a building full of people like the other recent lefty loons we can look back at this discussion as a warning sign.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    Why do that?

  • Anonymous

    If you want to really split hairs, try this for a devil’s (a.k.a. liberal’s) advocate argument: We may have the right to “keep and bear arms”, but it’s not stated that we have the right to use the arms we carry.  While that argument obviously flies in the face of the intent of the Second Amendment, it suggests there’s room for what weapons may be used in which situations.

    Like I said, just playing devil’s advocate here.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    Oh yes it is dumb ass do the research instead of pot.

  • Anonymous

    Learn to read.   I did not mention Mogadishu as that was just but one part of the entire conflict.    How about knowing there were far more than Americans involved in peace keeping in
    far more than one action.   Good luck to you.

  • Pam Dunn

    The Second Amendment AND the FOunding Fathers that wrote it SAID that it meant that the citizen had the RIGHT to carry the same equipment and armament as the military. Sure, Bazookas, grenades, and all the rest, WHY NOT our police Departments are turning themselves into out of control armies with the Surplus army stuff and their “SWAT” squads that KILL innocent people when they break into the wrong house.

  • Pam Dunn

    The moron troll spews more insanity from the stinky place where its head resides.

  • Draxx
  • Brian Compton

    Hey Glenn…slap it out of his hands…cmon
    Good way to find out what a nylon buttstock tastes like ;)

    Hah…you got to remove your brain and use a “liberal” argument man…did it hurt?

  • jo blo

    And yet you continue to respond to my posts…

    moron. 

  • don simmons

    The difference between “reasonable” ,  “brandishing”  and “un-reasonable” are ALL just a persons personal viewpoint AND their definition of “hoplophobia” ! 
    Get real and logical Glenn!  Stew was right!
    don in colorado flood waters

  • Gristle McThornbody
  • jo blo

    I guess my teacher was wrong. Of course, she spoke 6 languages, so she is entitled to a mistake or two…

  • Draxx

    Taking Guns Away Only Empowers The Bad Guys…

  • Pam Dunn

    Sorry, but YOU ARE an idiot. It is perfect appropriate and it IS the reason the 2nd Amendment was put into the Constitution. If you don’t like it; Then MOVE to China, Cuba, England, AUstralia or anywhere in the world where they disarmed the citizens and NOW the armed thugs rule.

  • jo blo

    Well, HP, at least you’ve chilled a bit with the quotes.

    And now that you have, you’ve confirmed all of our suspicions; if you can’t hide behind quotes and big words, you have nothing of value to say. 

  • Gristle McThornbody

    The First Commandment is “I am the lord your god…”

  • Anonymous

    This was asinine Pat really  ?
    When you use the restroom do you wipe right before you go and then pull down you’re pant’s.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    I do not live in the United States.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    No point.

  • OESWebmaster

    Well, the militarization of the police is another issue, but those guys aren’t very safe from small arms. And there’s not enough police in the country to defend against 1/10th of the gun owners in this country. A large scale military operation against a city would most certainly result in full scale civil war, and the authorities wouldn’t win… and I fear that the end result wouldn’t be a better country. It’s just silly to think that the military would win against the people of this country — we can’t even defeat a few thousand talibanis

  • Anonymous

    Carrying any ‘exposed’ gun around is NOT brandishing, sorry.

  • jo blo

    Well, the fact he’s been to a mental health professional to begin with indicates there are problems…

  • jo blo

    Because he has such important stuff to do! 

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    Did you notice they where still stop by guns.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Welp, start saving.

    The average cost of a B-2 Spirit is something akin to 2.2 Billion USD.

    I believe the US military has 22 of them.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Yes, I did. I don’t have a problem with most guns.

  • Anonymous

    How many UNborn people were killed in DC that day and it is all supported by Obama, et al.

    In the Sandy Hook town, statictically, they have killed 15 every week for 40 years and the news media thinks that is fine. Govt even pays for many of thekillings if not directly then thru “Planned UNparenthood” for millions of $$ each year.

  • OESWebmaster

     Then WTH are you in this discussion?  Have you ever lived here?

  • Gristle McThornbody

    By the way,

    Australia is ruled by armed thugs?

    Pull your head out of your ass.

  • Anonymous

    When using that brain of yours next time stand up to get the pressure off of where you sit( hope you can figure out my point) SALLY

  • Bite Me

    Bravo Glenn, it is all about common sense and decency. 

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Pas de probleme, mon ami.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Yes, I am an American.

  • Dave

    “After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn’t do it. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military.” ~  William Burroughs  

    Burroughs forgot to mention criminals, a population which is growing by leaps and bounds in the cities, and mentally ill people who are just as likely to use a knife, rock or anything else that’s handy.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    It’s 0100 here, guy.

  • Dave

    And how do you know he was no law enforcement? They routinely carry off duty, not to mention a lot of them wear civilian clothes.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Brilliant post, sir!

  • http://www.facebook.com/EricSPearson Eric Pearson

     Exceptional comment, Mr. Booth! Back when I was a kid in Montana, we had a local that carried a six-gun on each hip in complete western garb. The first time he came into the store I worked at, I was a bit surprised…that’s all. We got used to it. Rambo coming through the door with two long guns complete with bandoliers would’ve been perceived very differently!

  • Gristle McThornbody

    It’s about as accurate as a flintlock rifle.

  • jo blo

    And yet, one would think that such a busy man, with such a busy schedule and important work, would be too pooped to waste his time here…

  • Gristle McThornbody

    One would think, but as I’ve mentioned before, I am a biohacker.

    I take designer nootropics that enable me to stay awake for ~3 days without side effects.

  • Anonymous

    It’s revealing that the jackass from Arkansas that we used to call president, order our military troops to be disarmed on their bases.  Had our troops been armed at Ft. Hood the shooter
    might have got off a couple rounds, but he would have then been shot dead.  Samo samo in
    the Philadelphia Naval yard.  Hard to imagine that a soldier can not carry a weapon on his base.
    Truly an asinine decision.

  • Anonymous

     Boycott!!! 

  • David Atherton

    Statistically, Doctors kill more people than are killed by people with guns every year. That was easier, shorter, and more accurate than your comment. The people in question were not killed by a gun. They were each killed by a PERSON who used a gun as the tool to do the deed.

  • Anonymous

     Interesting analysis, but the the person I most want to send a message to is the one  considering shooting me.

  • OESWebmaster

    Are you a US citizen and how long did you live here (and where), and where are you now? I’m just wondering how well you understand the culture.

  • Anonymous

    I know what Glenn was trying to say. Would you hire a roofer with a sledge hammer in his belt? When it comes to trusting other gun carriers, if they are carrying a Tank to a gun fight, I won’t trust their judgement…

  • Anonymous

    Well, myself, I’d rather have something easier to carry, like an M1 Carbine but I digress. B-)  I think for that task, you want something you can easily conceal like a 38 Special, a .380 ACP or a German Luger although I have a soft spot for the M1911A1 .45 ACP

    Seriously, it does not matter to me, all firearms work on the same principle no matter the looks.  I’m with Pat on this one.

  • Anonymous

     ” is a less effective use of the weapon in an urban environment, and even more so in the workplace”

    That’s why when SWAT teams respond to workplace shootings they carry handguns,right?  Oh wait, they carry long guns…in an urban environment.

    When workplace violence occurs, I wouldn’t be looking to be defensively hiding under a desk with a pistol hoping against hope that the killer doesn’t find me and I have to shoot back as a last resort.

    As a minimum, I am looking to assume a defensive position at maximum range from the killer’s approach(es) hoping to take him out at the farthest point possible.  In my workplace, and many others, that distance would be 50′ minimum but up to 100 yards maximum (yes, that is inside).  A rifle with an adjustable stock would be ideal but a fixed-stock rifle would work well also.  A handgun would be my third choice followed by a shotgun.

    There could even be a situation that would call for pursuing the killer which, again, would be ideally done, in my workplace, with a rifle.

    “because you are misusing the weapon”  And this is plain silly.  You try and derive some distinction between offensive use of a firearm and defensive use of a firearm and your argument is fallacious.  If you are in a workplace defending yourself or your co-workers from a madman, that defense is accomplished by killing the attacker(s).  Your argument seems to imply that rifles are better for killing and in most cases they are and that’s why in most cases and workplaces I would much rather have a rifle than a handgun.  Additionally, some people are simply more comfortable and more accurate with a rifle than a handgun.  Both are significant reasons to have a rifle over a handgun.

  • Anonymous

    If Starbucks wants to be branded anti-Constitution and boycotted, isn’t that their First Amendment right?

  • Anonymous

    Well said and accurate!

  • David Atherton

     What do you want to bet when the SHTF, everyone who saw you with that rifle and were freaked out about it will be running to YOUR office so you can protect them. They know it is a superior weapon. A pistol is only used as a defensive weapon because it is more portable than a rifle.
      A pistol is used to fight your way back to your rifle, which you never should have left in the first place. Clint Smith paraphrasing Lt Col Jeff Cooper

  • Anonymous

     ”Besides, it might scare some lib or old lady to death!”

    The best way to get people over irrational fears is to make them face heir fears and giving into a heckler’s veto is the easiest way to put yourself on the road to lost rights.

  • Anonymous

    why would I frequent a place that is NOT allowing me to carry my concealed fire arm ..it is a not brain r, Star bucks you have nothing I want or care about you have NOT enough $$$$ to ask or beg me to spend my $$ with you

  • Anonymous

    I think the correct response to Stu’s proposal should be “Sure.
    You can carry it.
    But the second you violate any one of the Four Laws, you’re fired.
    If it impedes your ability to do your job, you’re fired.
    See you tomorrow.”

  • Anonymous

     And the right tool for the job. I would want the pistol inside, and the rifle outside.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with Glenn. Just because guns are legal doesn’t mean you have to flaunt it. For example, homosexuality is legal..But are the over the top Gay Pride Parades in SF really necessary ?! There are limits in civilized societies…

  • Pam Dunn

    Makes no difference; IF we were able to arm WITGH the same weapons as our infantry we’d be a match for any of the mechanized stuff. Do go read your history on the 2nd and NOT the left winger crap.

  • Anonymous

    Well, gosh Pachy, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam would tell us that well armed men and women with small arms can wage successful war against the technology of modern warfare …unless that modern warfare is of the total anhilation type which I doublt any American miltiary would ever use on its own people.

  • Anonymous

    “if our Govt. or any otehr Govt. decides to throw a bomb or use drones on us . . . we are fried!! ”

    Yes, because the US government has been oh so effective in Afghanistan, Iraq, or any other guerrilla style combat.  Hell, it took 9 months for the US to find and capture Saddam Hussein and nine and a half years to find and capture Osama Bin Laden?

  • Pam Dunn

    Keep in mind too that a LARGE number of those soldiers the government would try to deploy would desert and join the rebels too. 

  • Dave

    I have been saving for a rifle. When this latest shooting happened, I decided not to wait because I knew the anti-gun nutjobs who live on emotion rather than common sense would make another push. So off to the gun shop I went. I came away with three rifles and a $3200 bill… one bolt action .308, one lever action 30/30 with scope, and a .30cal carbine. The manager at the gun shop told me that the carbine and the bolt action will both likely be banned here in California because the use detachable box magazines, and, because I know him, I know it wasn’t just sales talk… and because I had already selected what I was buying. 

    Like Glenn, I see no reason to carry a long gun around the office. That does not mean I might not have it handy in my vehicle just as I did on patrol. If I don’t feel it would be safe to leave it in my vehicle, I might even take it to my office. If I am going to walk around armed, I’m going to carry a sidearm which leaves my hands and arms free to do my work. 

    I agree with Glenn’s feeling about common sense. Sadly, there are too many people who do not use common sense on the pro-gun side, and, it appears, none on the anti-gun side.

  • smokehill

    Too bad about Starbucks.

    I’ve walked in that door for the last time, and I’m posting this in my office and at the gun club.

    Always figured that they were, corporately, a bit too fruity to support the Second Amendment. 

    I hope they’ll forgive my snickering when some psycho starts shooting up their customers and not one of them has the tools to fight back.  Just like Luby’s Cafeteria in Texas.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, if you are a good shot and a little sneaky.  Should the occassion arise I suggest you don’t just stand in front of the tank.  Sneak off and put together a couple IEDs.  They still seem to be quite succesful.

  • Anonymous

    To: Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz
     I’m very happy to oblige . I’ll simply take my business elsewhere.

    What I will NOT do is allow myself to be victimized for your misguided comfort.
    Next !

  • Anonymous

    As long as you ignore the fact that violent crime (mostly assault and sexual assault) has risen since gun confiscation in Australia, you’d be right.  http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics.html

  • Anonymous

     And was committed by someone with obvious mental issues.

  • Anonymous

     What does it matter what individuals think.  We have a Constitution that was written to allow individuals to own modern military weapons. If you don’t like it due to advances to technology, amend the Constitution because that is the lawful way to change what was written an intended.  Relying on rhetorical word play and appeals to emotion is not the way to change rights recognized by the Constitution.

  • Anonymous

    Any gun, any time, any where. People are very polite & well behaved when everyone is armed.

  • Anonymous

     Correct, it’s the Gristle McNobody Obfuscation and Drama Hour.

  • Brian Augustyn

    Ar-15 has too much penetration for a close quarters setting like the inside of an office building and difficult to move through the hallway if you need to. Pat would be better of with a nice .45. Also, keep it concealed don’t give up the element of suprise. Open carry, if you are the only one, makes you the first target.

  • Brian Augustyn

    If she was carrying a handgun she wouldn’t have had to go to the trunk to get the rifle. Best of both worlds, carrying the handgun to make sure she can cover herself until she gets to a rifle or shotgun in the trunk.

  • http://suzeraining.wordpress.com/ suz

    i’m mostly w/pat and stu on this although i think pat not having any training is foolish and dangerous and would not feel comfortable around him.  but stu’s argument that beyond societal norms or perceptions, you have a right to bear open arms if you have a license and it’s the people who’ll just have to adjust.  glenn is correct by positing the ‘reverse progressive’ strategy — nudge them back to the truth and the facts and then you change society.   however, in the moment, i’m not one to acquiesce because ‘someone’s uncomfortable’ — too bad.

  • disgusted

    Depends on where you work. . .  We had the 7th Special Forces, as “Peace Keepers” – at one place…

  • Jon Higley

     But bee’s barf sure tastes nice.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Yes. 25 years in the Midwest.

    Currently in Switzerland.

  • notalib

     You are correct.  The little old lady, if not a liberal, could handle it.  The liberal would become an emotional wreck.  In fact there are many little old ladies I would not want to make mad at me. 

  • Anonymous

    Liberals say not to judge all muslims by the acts of a few murderously crazy ones.  Then they judge all gun owners by the acts of a few murderously crazy ones!!

  • Peter Kuck

    Glenn what is the definition of ” brandishing “

  • A Wilde

    There are lots of people who carry concealed and no one ever knows.

  • Jaamoose

    But if guns were a lot harder to get for everyone, can’t you see that most crazy guys wouldn’t have them? This story is not the end of the world – what it is, however, is yet another long-term nail in the coffin that will bury the wingnut right. America is getting more polarized, not less – and conservatives are losing power, not gaining. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Geoff-Pace/1447673162 Geoff Pace

    Suspect the obvious in this type of debate. I have a right to buy a Maserati and park it in the staff parking lot, too. I can buy a used MRAP vehicle , too. But I have to also make the decision that it will create quite a stir amongst my fellow employees. BTW, I can wear a full fledged tuxedo with cummerbunds and patent leather shoes to the gym. Glenn is right. Just because you can do something, MUST you?

  • Anonymous

    lol

  • HP McLovincraft

    That would be even better. Down with the Pigs!

  • HP McLovincraft

    Your skull is way beyond empty.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Maybe if you pout while you parrot your ‘statistics’ when the Big Bad Gubmint Man takes away your toys he’ll give you a lolly.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Yeah, reading comprehension is pretty bad here. The shorter the writing and the smaller the words, the better.

  • Anonymous

    I did not here Obama say how that shooter could have been his father or brother. This is because he knows there is no way to turn this criminal into a victim like they did with Martin.

    I believe that any business or company that prohibits a worker or customer from carrying a weapon has to assume all legal and financial responsibility for protecting the worker and customer. If an incident occurs in such a circumstance, the business and it’s owners should be liable for all damages to include confiscation of all assets and jail time. When you deny a person their rights, then you have to pay if they are negatively impacted.

  • Rob

    I disagree with your last statement.. I see the mistakes of 2012 by the conservatives and those are correctable.. Being fiscally and socially conservative is not a losing platform and it never will be in the United States. All you have to do is just point out the success of the liberal/progressive platform (or lack thereof) and people eventually will flock back to a point of common sense. Im optimistic for 2016 and even more so if they run Hillary. that would be like handing the Presidency to the conservatives with a bow wrapped around it.

  • HP McLovincraft

    You remind of those dolts over at GirlsJustWannaHaveGuns who are planning the 2nd Civil War/Slut-Shaming Miley Cyrus/Saying racist crap about Black Folks. 

    Oh, wait..it is you, Dr. Suck. How’s the sucking going? Lots of Mouth Sausage and Baby Batter for your guzzling pleasure, I hope.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Umm, he was packing at Hobby Lobby. Balding. Golf Shirt/Shorts. Did I mention he had a gun at a craft store?

    What a sissy. 

    Oh no! It’s the Cross-stitch gang, and I plum fergitted my shootin’ irons!

  • HP McLovincraft

    Nice Schoolyard Taunt, AssMarauder. FAIL.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Feed the Trolls, dullard.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Too.Many.Big.Words.

  • HP McLovincraft

    It’s y’all that called yourselves Teabaggers. The rest of America just agreed. Learn what words mean before you use them is the moral of this sad tale of ‘bagger doltishness.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Facts? Fact is, Doltard75, that I was making fun of his screen name. Reading Comprehension is not your strong suit I take it, huh?

  • HP McLovincraft

    Oh no! Be afraid! I’m coming to git ya with my Cannibal Mutant Mad Max Bikers!

    The Fear!

    Maybe you should cry and tattle some more?

  • HP McLovincraft

    They don’t care about Reality. They live in the ‘bagger bubble. The Future will have much Suck for them.

  • HP McLovincraft

    I thought y’all support capitalism?

  • HP McLovincraft

    Dumbcott. It’s bad enough you ‘baggers are boycotting Spelling.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Don’t talk about your vagina like that.

  • HP McLovincraft

    That’s the Teabag story. Dumb as Hell to the last. Spiting ones Face to Auto-asphyxiate by their own petarded need to feel like real men and protesting too damn much about cutting off their own noses.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Montana sounds very homoerotic. I bet Mr. Cowboy had assless chaps on, too.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Real Life is not a Video Game Fail. You’ll be too busy peeing your pants when my Cannibal Biker Gang rolls into town to eat your children.

  • HP McLovincraft

    And that’s why the Gubmint will be taking your toys away. Womp Womp.

  • Anonymous

    It only makes it harder for those who follow the law to obtain them.   By your logic, the country is now drug-free.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    From the very link you posted:

    “Firearm use has declined by more than half since 1989-90 as a proportion of homicide methods, and there has been an upward trend in the use of knives and sharp instruments, which in 2006-07 accounted for nearly half of all homicide victims.”

    THIRTY FUCKING PEOPLE WERE KILLED BY GUNS IN AUSTRALIA IN 2010!

    I killed more people when I accidentally peeled out of my driveway and totaled a bus full of retarded children.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    I am sorry, but I’d rather be assaulted than shot in the face.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, I was looking for evidence.  We already understood that a man entered a craft store on a day that he also went golfing.  Hair loss (a genetic condition), is your evidence that he is a coward, having a mid-life crisis, is a doofus, and frightened?

    Still sounds like you’re projecting.

  • Anonymous

    “It says nothing of the sort.”

    ummm…. reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
    Restricting which arms may be kept is infringing.  The stated language is “shall not”.  

    The preamble also advises that citizen militias are necessary to maintain a free state, and should be well stocked.  But is just a preamble, and contains no binding language.

  • TR

    GLEN,
    MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE A SHOW AND TELL DAILY AND BRING IN A GUN A DAY

    TO HELP EDUCATE THOSE WHO HAVE A FALSE FEAR OF GUNS.

    TR

  • Gristle McThornbody

    “A well regulated Militia”

    Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky49ltgeXRU

    I have NO problem with these guys having guns.

  • Robert Willis

    Question………..On the day of the Navy Yard shooting, how many people were killed this same day by DRUNK DRIVERS? How many……………?? Well, I do not know the exact number BUT I do know it was a lot more than 12!!!!!! I am only using the number 12 because I am not counting the idiot that started the latest rampage! If he had not done what he did, he and the others would still be alive! My point is this, while any loss of life is unacceptable especially at the hands of someone like this idiot, NOT A DAMN SOUL IT TRYING TO OUTLAW ALCOHOL OR VEHICLES!  And why not? If the person did not drink the alcohol and then drive a vehicle, just how many people would still be alive today or yesterday or the day of the shooting? But wait…..you say that its not the vehicles fault……you say its not the alcohol’s fault but rather the fault of the person who drank and then drove! WELL, it ain’t the gun’s fault either…..it is the fault of the idiot who picked up a gun, loaded and fired it! All the laws on the books will not stop the person from getting behind the wheel of a vehicle and driving after drinking…..it will not stop the same person from driving after the courts have told them not to and taken away their privilege to do so! You can not legislate common sense no matter how hard you try!

  • Anonymous

    Maybe if you realize that “statistics” are facts, and learn to base your opinions on facts instead of emotion, you’ll be less of a troll and can actually have an intelligent discussion on the topic, as opposed to stupid attempts to mock others (but probably not.)

  • greywolfrs

    You are a moron.

  • Anonymous

    OK folks. The gov’t knows who the legit people are who own guns. Does the gov’t know how many guns are in the hands of criminals/illegal owners? That ownership far surpasses the legally owned guns. So, let’s say the dimwits take away all the legally owned guns. What does America have left? 

  • greywolfrs

    Not really, a shotgun is a GREAT defensive weapon, what are you talking about?

  • greywolfrs

    Sure they will, NOT. I have a good idea, why don’t YOU personally show up to take my weapons.

  • Anonymous

    Again, reading comprehension issues….

    You obviously have no idea that “Well Regulated” means stocked, supplied, etc…   Governmental regulation, as you are inferring, did not exist at that time.

    You also should have paid attention to the wording  ”the security of a FREE state”.  Not only did the founders write this shortly after overthrowing the government by force of arms in order to secure FREEDOM, but they also specifically documented that the “militia”, separate from the military, consists of every able bodied citizen.  AND that said right to keep an bear arms was necessary, as a last resort, to defend against a tyrannical government.  For it is necessary that the government fear the people to ensure freedom.

    It doesn’t take more than half a brain cell to understand that for the stated intent to be upheld, every citizen must retain to the right to keep and bear the same level of arms as any other military or government institution. Which is why the language is so incredibly clear.  ”shall not be infringed”.

     So yes Virginia, the Bill of Rights DOES state that the average American must be allowed to own [insert weapon here].

  • greywolfrs

    Hey stupid, you morons turned TEa Party into teabaggers and believe they named themselves that? You are one dumb M F er. By the way, you better be happy using that term in these forums because I know you are too big of a coward to use it out in public.

  • greywolfrs

    You are a complete fool.

  • greywolfrs

    Not really, but keep believing you and your left wing idiots in government are going to drag the entire country to the left. Every time you idiots post this drivel you show just how ignorant you are.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    “To place any dependence on the Militia, is, assuredly, resting upon a broken staff. Men just dragged from the tender Scenes of domestic life; unaccustomed to the din of Arms; totally unacquainted with every kind of military skill, which being followed by a want of confidence in themselves, when opposed to Troops regularly trained, disciplined, and appointed, superior in knowledge and superior in Arms, makes them timid, and ready to fly from their own shadows…if I was called upon to declare upon Oath, whether the Militia have been most serviceable or hurtful upon the whole, I should subscribe to the latter.” -George Washington

  • greywolfrs

    Please try it, I dare you.

  • Patriot

    The 2nd Amendment is clear, We, The People have the RIGHT to own and bear the very same weapons the Military has. Period. That said, carrying an AR-15 is a Fundamental RIGHT. However, a Good Handgun carried concealed will be just fine for protection in my opinion.
    Concealed means the bad guys don’t know you have it, unless they try something, then you draw it, be ready to kill. IF necessary.

  • Patriot

    You must be a Liberal.

  • Anonymous

    Another clear example that militia is separate from military, and comprised of all citizens.  Now you understand why they advised in the preamble to be well regulated.  Clearly it is better for the citizenry to be practiced and trained better.  We should work on that part, not disarming them.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    I COMPLETELY AGREE YOU ASSHOLE

  • HarDlinE

    I miss having Glen on Foxnews…

  • Anonymous

    His point seems to be…Sure…. but just because you CAN, does not mean you SHOULD.

    Otherwise….Starbucks.

  • Anonymous

    Oddly enough, their gun ban/confiscation didn’t go into place until 1996. Yep, you dumb ass, firearm crime was in decline WELL BEFORE ANY CHANGES IN GUN LAWS. Derp harder you dumb ass.

    Also, like in most cases, the slaughter you’re referring to occurred as the result of a numb nuts with a violent history. The boy genius politicians made sure he wasn’t taken care of in the courts and kept away from the rest of law-abiding society. So the genius went on a massacre and the politicians decided the fix would be to take away all guns and violent crime went up as a result. It’s a great way to avoid taking responsibility and pretending that the problem lies with people who did absolutely nothing wrong.

    Yes, taking away the rights of innocents and making them the prey of criminals. Just like you, the politicians were completely irrational. Of course, no matter how many times strict gun control laws fail (DC, Detroit, Chicago, etc.) and psychotic killers exploit gun free zones, stupid fucks like you will firmly keep your head planted in your ass and pretend the problem lies with the 100s of millions of guns that never cause injury or death except in cases of self-defense where they ought to be used.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Ugh….

    I own a Sig 556 and a Para-Ordnance P-14.

  • Sara Nichols

    I agree with Glenn, common sense should be used when you open carry.

  • Anonymous

     “I can’t believe I am having this stupid discussion.”  BUT you carry on with this conversation for 2 hours!!!  Some of us make part of our living providing lessons in Safe and Tactical Firearms use.  Not everybody can sit on their ass behind a microphone and make a mint!  So the topic of firearms is sticky these days — so if you cant be responsible with the firearm leave it at home and if you cannot be responsible with your mouth shut up!

  • Anonymous

    The good news is that in Australia you get both. You get the same rate of murder that was predicted before gun confiscation but increased rape and assaults. Congratulations McNobody. You advocate for fascist policies that punish the innocent and subject them to increased victimization and you’re too stupid to understand it. I’d invite you to fully embrace the bullshit you promote by moving to a really crappy section of Detroit and live without a gun and horrific police response then tel us how unimportant it is for law-abiding citizens not to be allowed to practice their constitutionally-recognized rights. My guess is you’re too much of a hypocrite to do so.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    I am not against gun ownership, no matter how much you want me to be.

    I have two myself.

  • Guest
  • Anonymous

    “…the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference…”
    George Washington

    Perhaps the author has a view on what was meant by the amendment.
    “I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the
    people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”

    “I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials.”

    “[The American Colonies were] all democratic governments, where the
    power is in the hands of the people and where there is not the least
    difficulty or jealousy about putting arms into the hands of every man in
    the country.”
    George Mason
    And his contemporaries on gun rights:
    “And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress … to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable
    citizens, from keeping their own arms; …”
    Samuel Adams
    “A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves…and include all men capable of bearing arms.”
    Richard Henry Lee

    “The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear
    arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
    government.”

    “Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks.”

    “What country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned
    from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance.
    Let them take arms.”
    Thomas Jefferson

    “…to disarm the people – that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”
    George Mason

    “The great object is that every man be armed” and “everyone who is able may have a gun.”

    “Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who
    approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but
    downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably
    ruined” Patrick Henry

    On whether we should be limited in the arms we bear?
    “…while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to
    them [a standing army] in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their
    rights…”

    “The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.”
    Alexander Hamilton

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Yep…

    I support limited firearm ownership.

    Boy, you would love where I live.

  • Anonymous

    People being a jerk all the time is how you get things legalized.  Its an important part of shifting the overton window.

  • Anonymous

    Well at least you declare the obvious, that the ‘Big Bad Gubmint Man’ does indeed ultimately feel emboldened to disarm his masters, the citizens of this nation. 
    (kinda justifies the gun owners suspicious attitude, doesn’t it?)

  • Draxx

    How can anybody be as stupid as you are without being hit in the head with a sledge hammer…?  I never said do or don’t go to Starbucks, I said FYI so people can make their own decision.  I support Capitalism, you support this cock sucking president and others in charge that are Killing the American System of Freedom and the Chance to Make Something out of yourself!  You support getting doped up and being a dumbass obviously.

  • Guest

     Yeah, we are trying to accommodate you.

  • Guest

     Not true. But you then that makes you a teabaggee. Open wide then, you obviously get excited about being around ‘teabaggers’

  • Guest

     She wasn’t. She was talking about your head up your ass, but because it is there, you couldn’t figure that out..

  • Anonymous

    hello gristle..
    you’re a funny man and thats about IT..!
    open carry makes me nervous when the real deterent is no one knowing IF you’re carrying a CONCEALED weapon and can thus defend yourself from a potential deadly encounter with a car jacker or the like..
    SO, for me i would rather keep a low profile and be ready.. first pepper spray because tht stuff is mean and it will deter most potential incidents because one is WAY more ready to use pepper spray than a .40 cal slug.. one will defang the other will kill.. one can always make that decision at the moment as needs present themselves..

    Love-ya glenn and miss you from FOX news..

  • Mike Oliver

    So what if Seattle’s Best Coffee posted this sign, “This is a gun friendly zone.  All our employees and customers can be armed if they so choose.  If you come in here looking to kill someone, chances are you will be the only one killed because we might all be armed, your choice.”

  • Anonymous

    “A well regulated Militia …….”. The concept goes back a long way. The yeoman archer of early England was a farmer or other occupation, the Roman legionaire of the days of the Republic was also a civilian. They had not only the right but also the obligation to practice with their weapons – but I doubt that they carried their long bows or swords into their fields when working them.

    I’m with Glenn on this, just because you can doesn’t mean you should. For one, carrying a long gun around the office would be a bit inconvenient. The 2nd amendment gives us all the right to bear arms, as it should, but that doesn’t give us the right to carry them anywhere we choose. If an establishment, public or private, chooses to ban weapons from its premises it has that right – and I have the right not to patronized that establishment.

  • Steppin on toes

    Simply put in a work situation an AR-15 (semi automatic) in unnecessary. A .45 Mod 1911 is the best for all situations. The round was originally designed to take people down and it does so very well without going through the body and walls behind them. unlike a 9mm, .357 and 44 mag. I do agree that if you are a gun owner range time is fine, however, competent instruction by a NRA certified instructor or former military instructor is a must when owning firearms. As a matter of course, this also includes all members of the family in the home where said weapons are stored.

    Open and concealed carry should be left up to the individual and they should meet the requirements for the specific state for the licenses. If you have a coworker that is uncomfortable with guns invite them to go shooting with you at a local range give them basic instruction in the use of the weapon that you have taken with you. Let them try it out with a single round at a time just do not load the magazine to full capacity and say have a blast.. A little common sense with everything will lead to people overcoming unnecessary fears and afterwards it may bring someone to enjoy shooting sports and home defense along with a better understanding of firearms.

    AR-15 is excellent for hunting and home defense when society goes hell west and crooked and you have anarchist (rioters) roaming the streets looking for whom they may pillage and destroy. Especially when the police are overwhelmed, unable or unwilling to defend neighborhood’s against the criminals or after a natural disaster when looters are roaming the streets when defense of your family and property is at the utmost importance.  

  • ken.

    it depends on what hood your workplace is, if it’s in a gang area with lots of violence damned right i will carry it. just because i bring it to work doesn’t mean i have to carry it on my person all day. i don’t care if it offends a co-worker because no matter what you do someone will be offended, just say no to pc.

  • Anonymous

    Speaking of statistics:  http://www.civitas.org.uk/crime/crime_stats_oecdjan2012.pdf

    That is an interesting document. I’ll try to find the link for another one I read indicting that while the USA has more gun related crimes than places like the UK, the UK has far, far more KNIFE crimes – hence the push to outlaw knives with points.

    I believe the fundamental issue is not guns, nor is it knives, it is the people wielding them. With the loss of GOD and morality and ethics for so very many, their moral compass doesn’t have a decent direction. Life becomes less meaningful as well as the respect for same.

  • Anonymous

    TEA party members have NEVER used the phrase. It is a vulgar term, from the male homosexual community, that was used intentionally in a derogatory report by Rachel Madcow on MSNBC.  Later picked up by others on CNN wishing to make it appear a “slip up” in reading the news copy.Oh, btw, McHovercraft, when did you first adopt your nickname of “Scumbag?”

  • http://www.facebook.com/motorradmike Michael J Schroeder

    Glenn is absoutele right about “open carry” in the workplace…for all the reasons he stated.

  • Anonymous

    Behind those keys you’re a big boy aren’t you to bad that’s as big as you will ever be best of luck skull giver

  • Anonymous

    In my opinion, the only problem with an AR, or any long gun is keeping control of it.  It would be irresponsible to set it down unattended while you work and your work efficiency would be lower if it was consistantly slung on your body. As a private practice physician I would approve concealed pistol but not open carry as keeping control of your firearm is more difficult if people know you have it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/william.holt.376 William E Holt

    Pachy, you are what is referred to as a ‘butter’.  ”I support the 2nd amendment BUT…”.  By your logic, I shouldn’t be able to speak on a subject if it will offend others.  Well, sorry ’bout your bad luck, but I can speak on any subject I please at any time because it is my right to do so.  Same applies to carrying a long gun.  It is a constitutionally guaranteed right.  When you say someone should only exercise a right at a certain time or in a certain place you are actually advocating the restriction of rights, making you part of the problem.  BTW, only one of the weapons you mentioned is even available to the general public.

  • Gristle McThornbody

    BOOOOOOOOOOM

  • Gristle McThornbody

    Don’t you see what he’s saying, though?

  • http://www.facebook.com/kyle.gehrt.3 Kyle Gehrt

     Glenn, your wanting to make everyone rely on the company to protect them IS the same as the government as it wants everyone to be reliant on the government for safety. It is up to everyone to provide their own aspect of safety.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kyle.gehrt.3 Kyle Gehrt

    Gun-Free zones are Unconstitutional Zones

  • http://www.facebook.com/kyle.gehrt.3 Kyle Gehrt

    Glenn, your wanting to make everyone rely on the company to protect
    them IS the same as the government as it wants everyone to be reliant on
    the government for safety. It is up to everyone to provide their own
    aspect of safety.

  • HP McLovincraft

    I just couldn’t resist mentioning assless chaps. Comedy Gold. I really expected to be banned by now. 

  • HP McLovincraft

    No, you are a complete fool.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Do you need a waaaaaa-mbulance?

  • HP McLovincraft

    Yes, really. Conservatism is dead and the piTea Party drove the stake that killed the Vampire.

    Hoisted Petarded.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Correctable if all conservatives commit suicide and save themselves the embarrassment of their slow death spiral of relevance.

  • HP McLovincraft

    You sound super hard and studly. Meow, baby!

  • http://www.facebook.com/william.holt.376 William E Holt

    So that’s why every SWAT or tactical police unit uses a rifle of some sort every time they breach a building, only using their sidearms as backup.  I have seen many people enter businesses, a number of times, with long gun with absolutely no LEO intervention.  The only time you will have that problem is when you run into people that do not know laws or LEOs that do know the laws, which does happen.  I do believe that common sense and safety MUST be used when dealing with firearms but there is no setting aside the 2nd amendment.  When you do that you become an advocate for the restriction of rights.  You start by restricting the 2nd amendment, what’s next?  The 1st amendment then the 4th?  As far as using a .44 magnum for close quarter defense… that would probably be one of the worst choices you could make.  It only holds 6 rounds and, unless you are proficient in it’s use, a .44 magnum is not the most useful handgun.  A 9mm, capable of holding 15+ rounds, loaded with black talon ammunition would be a much more effective choice. 

  • HP McLovincraft

    FAIL.
    From the (now tossed down the memory hole) article in the conservative rag National Review:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20120112080615/http://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/article/?q=Mjk1YmRjNzIxNmUwMTI0ZWYxZWU4OWU2MzFiOWJmNDE=

    Plus countless youtube videos.

    See: Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein.

    Stupid ‘baggers.

  • HP McLovincraft

    I’m rubber, you’re glue…

  • Vince Fox

    I think following the recommendations of Vice President Biden, Pat should buy a 12 gauge shotgun and carry that at work.

  • HP McLovincraft
  • HP McLovincraft

    I guess so, if you are a bunch of half-wits and morons who want your toys taken away because you aren’t grown up enough to have them.

  • HP McLovincraft
  • HP McLovincraft

    No she wasn’t. I was busy looking for my class ring.

  • HP McLovincraft

    from the National Review:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20120112080615/http://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/article/?q=Mjk1YmRjNzIxNmUwMTI0ZWYxZWU4OWU2MzFiOWJmNDE=
    You should know stuff before you type. And don’t opine with your mouth full.

    See: Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Ye Gods, man, you should watch your potty mouth or Average Joe and his legion of Superdipwads will tattle on you for violating the community guidelines…and then Maria ‘Dirty’ Sanchez will type: FLAGGED!

    Silly Dragon Choad.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Ummm…you dare me to what?

    Were you hom-skoold? Because you are clearly not understanding Civics.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Go Team Global Socialism! Yay!

  • HP McLovincraft

    The National Review certainly thinks that, retard.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20120112080615/http://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/article/?q=Mjk1YmRjNzIxNmUwMTI0ZWYxZWU4OWU2MzFiOWJmNDE=

    I hope Gaywolfrs doesn’t beat me up! Scary!  

  • HP McLovincraft

    I don’t need or want to. Your big stupid flappy lips and BS revolution/second civil war/apocacrapolypse nonsense and idiotic rhetoric will do it quite nicely.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Another witty bon mot from this generation’s Oscar Wilde. I mean that in the gayest way possible.

  • HP McLovincraft
  • HP McLovincraft

    Weird. You left out the gun-carrying part. He’s either a pig or a coward. Selective paraphrasing?

    “We must always remember that the police are recruited from the criminal classes.” -Gore Vidal

  • HP McLovincraft

    Don’t talk with your mouth full. 

    And never debate a derp. It’s a waste of effort.

  • HP McLovincraft

    what means cgange?

    The Fear! Thugs! Cannibal Bikers! Black Helicopters!

  • HP McLovincraft

    u shud prolly lern how too spel wurds in Inglish befor u tok abowt politicks

  • HP McLovincraft

    I miss the 90′s internets. Flame Wars, Usenet, alt.anything. I never had the displeasure of AOL thanks to a decent local ISP but them’s were good times. I even had an adorable porn website named after an HPL story. 

    Reminiscing FTW.

    I see your point, re: picking on Sam Fishtard but he keeps leaving that door open and I just can’t help myself. It’s too much fun.

  • Anonymous

    Long weapons are fine in the field where inter-personnel “personal space”  is fairly large.  Even with a properly employed strap, the long weapon will slap around a bit – not appropriate for carrying around in an office environment where “personal spaces” are very close and people move quickly.

    A long weapon could certainly be properly stored in one’s own cubicle or office.

    Properly holstered sidearms are safe and appropriate for all venues, and are compact enough to not bump into your co-workers.  Sidearms have other particular advantages for indoor defensive action – including the ability to acquire a large firing aperture from even the most constrained hiding places.

    And please do remember that several of our Founders recommended that we go about armed as a matter of civil responsibility.

  • greywolfrs

    Why don’t you just tell the truth, you are a coward.

  • HP McLovincraft

    What ‘truth’ would that be, Gaywolfrs?

  • greywolfrs

    gaywolf? You are so original, like I have never heard that before. By the way, you need a course in reading comprehension, dunce.

  • greywolfrs

    And you are stupid enough to believe others need a reading comprehension course. You are one dumb M F er.

  • Draxx

    That Flagged Comment is Funny…  I have never seen any moderator intervention on this site ever…. LOL

  • David Kight

    I CARRY 7/24 I DON’T LIKE GOING IN PLACES THAT I AM NOT ALOUD TO CARRY,I HAVE CC PERMIT AND I REALY DO NOT WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW I HAVE A GUN ON ME, UNLESS THEY KNOW ME.AT 80 YEARS OLD,I AM TOO OLD TO TAKE AND ASS KICKING.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    Oh look he knows he cannot debate the facts so he goes strait for personal attacks typical liberal stupidity. Maybe you should open up a history book before posting washed up complains quotes that don’t give a damn about historical facts than maybe you would not look so stupid. So debate facts or stop wasting my time bigot.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    But yet I handed your ass to you over and over again when you do. I think the reason you will not anymore is out of fear.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    This idiot is as original as a ham sandwich.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    Now now he has a PHD in B.S. that has to count for something.

  • HP McLovincraft

    I bet you hear it all the time. Tee hee.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Troll Feeder!

  • HP McLovincraft

    I know it was funny. Because it was true. Ask Average Failure Joe. He was beggin’ for people to tattle. And there’s Maria ‘Dirty’ Sanchez running amok typing ‘FLAGGED’ like some mental defective. And then there’s Draxx, the Scared Little Dragon.

    W-w-w-why c-c-c-can’t w-w-w-w-we g-g-g-get this (sniff) m-m-m-m-mean old meany b-b-b-b-b-b-b-banned? (sniffle) He threatened to eat my whole f-f-f-family! Waaaaaaa! Waaaaaa! I need a Waaaaaa-mbulance.

  • HP McLovincraft

    what means:

    “washed up complains quotes that don’t give a damn about historical facts”

    ??????
    Burp.

  • HP McLovincraft

    How does one ‘anymore’?

    Shh! It’s rude to talk when you’re in the Glory Hole. You have important work to do. 

  • Kevin

    Wait! Glenn says unstable people shouldn’t carry guns. Then says carrying an AR is an indication you are unstable.
    1. that is self serving circular logic.
    2. people think I am crazy BECAUSE I carry a concealed handgun. Should I therefore not be allowed to carry a concealed handgun because a “reasonable indication” is that I am crazy?
    C’mon Glenn. There is a bit of self-rightousness creeping in there. Well, more than a bit.

  • Kevin

    See at about 9:25. 

  • Anonymous

    Whether it is legal or not, I can see Glenn’s point. I’m hesitant to limit guns in any way, but there are certainly much more subtle ways of carrying a gun. Even if you wanted to bring an AR-15 to work, fine, but carrying it into the building in a case would probably cause far less concern. Pistols are just so much more convenient. I’ve worn them openly and I’ve worn them concealed. I’ve never had a person get upset about it anywhere because of the manner in which I conduct myself and how I dress. It’s simply human nature now to wonder why someone who had never carried a rifle in to work would suddenly be carrying around an AR-15. It’s heavy, bulky and gets in the way. 

    A small pistol is less accurate at any distance, but it can be holstered and leaves the hands free. The worst result would be to cause an unnecessary panic. The AR-15 is just not that great a weapon to carry without great effort and would get in the way to the point that it would be perceived by employees as being something new and frightening, no matter the intent of the person carrying the weapon. 

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    Why would I call someone who complains and is not funny a comedian?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    Do you have the reading comprehension of a two year old I know you love to act like one but for someone who claims to be smarter than everyone else you sure have no clue on what basic English is. I said ” I think the reason you will not anymore is out of fear.” Now moron notice I did not use it as a noun like you claim. In fact if your inbreed little brain can gut your head out of glory holes for five minutes you would know that. Now if we are done I got better things to do than to talk to an insane inbreed moron with a brain about a size of a pea.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Sorry diptard. 

    ‘…the reason you will not (insert missing words here, dummy) anymore…’

  • HP McLovincraft

    Why wouldn’t you write it in English?

  • HP McLovincraft

    That was hilarious. Ia! Cthulhu!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    Again dumbass we know what the subject is or at least I do. Maybe if you stop doing crack you would understand that I did not need to mention the word debate because that is what the subject was about but clearly the man child still don’t get that part.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    Since you don’t understand English maybe this will help you understand better.
    Почему бы тебе не я не знаю, открытые книги по истории, прежде чем сделать тупица претензий.

    あなたはアホ主張をする前に、なぜあなたは私は歴史の本を開いているかわからないしないでください。
    ¿Por qué no yo no sé abierto un libro de historia antes de hacer afirmaciones Dumbass.

    Зашто не, не знам отворена књига историје пре него што направите думбасс тврдње.
    Eğer salak iddiada önce neden bir tarih kitabı açık bilmiyorum yok.
    Understand now since you don’t understand English or did I miss the language that you mistake for English bigot.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Internets Translator Fail.

    http://www.bing.com/translator

  • Guest

    We wouldn’t expect anything less childish of you.

  • Guest

    Looking for your class ring up yer ass. No surprise.

  • Guest

    Pure garbage, from a leftist with only one side of the story.
    See: Your Asshole

  • HP McLovincraft

    Sam, you have to be considerate of your readers if you desire to be understood. You mustn’t ever assume you Know what another Knows or Understands. 

    Let’s make a concerted effort, Liberal Trolls and Becktards and ‘Baggers alike, to help Sam learn English.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Obtuse Fail (sorry, you’re out of glennbeck.com reply grounds….unless you did that on purpose. But you wouldn’t, I am sure, because that is a real bitch move and you’re above that sort of nonsense).

  • HP McLovincraft

    No, in her vagina, weren’t you paying attention? Sheesh.

  • HP McLovincraft

    The National Review is Leftist now? 

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUrbEIqFl_Q Sam Fisher

    You know what I am just going to ignore you but dude really you need a life.

  • HP McLovincraft

    No you aren’t. Because you are a retard who feeds Trolls.

  • Take 2

    just think of the “cost” to fix voter balloting fraud going on. all the top pollsters had Obama loosing- what! day before election and ends up 2% ahead But wining Ohio and FL. by a few chads – somehow?

    Now that is not ironic and must have cost billions!

  • http://thefriendcenter.com/ Average Joe.

    He’s incapable of having an intelligent discussion. 

  • P Chanterelle

    AR-15 is much more accurate but more likely to have completely through shot and hit some one behind the intended target. It is more effective against a flack vest. But harder to use in tight room to room defense. Personally I like the 9mm hollow point. 9mm hi-point carbine is a poor man’s AR-15 but just as effective.

  • http://thefriendcenter.com/ Average Joe.

    HP’s favorite word is “morons’ ” which doesn’t exist.

  • http://thefriendcenter.com/ Average Joe.

    HP’s a master at projecting. 

  • http://thefriendcenter.com/ Average Joe.

    The little fella had problems with his father.  His daddy kept calling him a failure.  You can see it in his posts.  He has no original thought process so he quotes successful people over and over.  That’s supposed to make people think he’s actually a success and intelligent which he is neither. He’s just a Troll blowing Troll farts.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    This is what I get for giving you a break… You are a vulgar example of why the left never will be as in control of things as they want. Your appetite for power over others is insatiable in the extreme, and because people won’t take your crap it bugs the hell out of you , doesn’t it? Call me names all you want – it only reflects poorly on your character – or the lack of it – and the caliber of human being you really are. No one can fix that for you.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    When you start making sense get back to us – (that should take a while…)

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Why? Because yours is so simian you just assume everyone is like you???

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Bullets are merely projectiles. You probably think that you load bullets into guns. I just love it when people like you criticize things you don’t know about.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    I see you are an ass no matter what the context. Great, now we know what kind of troll you are you can go back to media matters and get paid.

    Bu-bye.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    How sub-original you are troll. Must be the remedial level of intellect you have that gets you to come up with loser comments like yours.

    When you learn to converse on an adult level, go find another fool like yourself to yap at – your stupid troll antic isn’t appreciated here.

  • http://thefriendcenter.com/ Average Joe.

    Now for the real facts.

    Australian population, 22,262,501
    Surge in Victoria’s homicide rate 1.6 per 100,000 people.

    In Australia, annual deaths resulting from firearms total 2010: 236

    http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia

  • http://thefriendcenter.com/ Average Joe.

    I see you’re still crying like a little baby. 

  • http://thefriendcenter.com/ Average Joe.

    You know HP’s not drug free. :-)

  • http://thefriendcenter.com/ Average Joe.

    Still crying little fella?

  • http://thefriendcenter.com/ Average Joe.

    You mean words like morons’?

  • http://a-albionic.com/ Lloyd Miller

    Uh, Glenn, tell the idiot to get a concealed carry license if your State requires it and keep it concealed at work.  Nobody can work carrying a long gun around the office! If you don’t think you can trust him with a gun fire him and warn the rest of us too!

  • http://TheConservativePush.webs.com/ SoThere

    He’s a real fart smeller, I mean smart fella. He uses quotes from famous people. LMAO

  • http://TheConservativePush.webs.com/ SoThere

    Media Matters kicked his ass out. They don’t like Stupid either.

  • http://TheConservativePush.webs.com/ SoThere

    Making sense is not his forte. He doesn’t let that get in the way of his constant whining.

  • http://TheConservativePush.webs.com/ SoThere

    He’s a little kid posting in momma’s basement. You know, “I’m rubber, you’re glue” 4th grade stuff.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    You are a retard troll that drools? Why we had no idea…

  • http://TheConservativePush.webs.com/ SoThere

    Watch this, he’s getting ready to quote someone.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Is there any doubt? Troll loser, you really should go post your drivel and nonsense at Alternet where they are all just as idiotic as you. You fit in well there, here, not so much.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Maybe if you try real hard you can appear more stupid that this, but I have my doubts, drooling troll libtard.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    AW poor troll baby, can’t make any more stupid remarks to guest… too bad, I guess you are a failure even at that.

    Sucks to be you.

  • http://TheConservativePush.webs.com/ SoThere

    He claims to be “internets” literate but he’s not smart enough to overcome this simple little problem. Yes he’s a failure and I’m sure it really sucks to be him.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Loser trolls that throw epithets and pathetic attempted insults around like a lawn sprinkler don’t garner much favor here, twit. Maybe you will figure out that you are out of your depth here, but I don’t think you possess the wits for it.

    Loser troll, here to make a chump jerk of yourself, perhaps you should get a hobby like collecting lint. That is something I think you can handle. Making semi-literate comments here hasn’t been your strong suit, and you can forget about actually displaying any intellectual prowess; you have proven many times over that you don’t have any.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    The hypocrisy of that statement screams of how much idiocy you contain. There is no danger of you ever living up to that standard, if it were possible you would not be here.

    A minimum consideration to the readers here would consist of your departure for the rest of time. I recommend you get to work on that as soon as possible – you can rest assured that no one here will mourn your disappearance.

    Can it, troll loser. No one really cares what you think and they care less for what you have to say, regardless of the subject. You are really only interested in the ad hominems you throw around and I have never seen one serious comment on any given topic here from you. 

    Free free to take your leave anytime.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    It would be nice if you could try to make sense. So far your record in that department has been one dismal failure after another. Is this all you are capable of?

    I think so. 

    Your critique of any other person’s maturity is particularly hypocritical. Seriously, you should just leave and go work on that splinter collection there, sport – you just aren’t up to speed enough to hang here.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    He’s too stupid to reason with. Check out his other comments, a stellar intellect he is not.

  • Guest

    Your reading comprehension problem is ….. your problem.

  • Guest

    I was, but apparently you weren’t.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Regardless of the weapon, crazy people and murderers will kill. The root cause is the people, and you are absolutely correct. 

  • Guest

    The only one we see failing …. and flailing here is you. Tooooo bad.

  • Guest

    These aholes do this at Becks to harass people because they can’t get away with it at other websites. They are cowards, plain and simple.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Worked real well at Fort Hood and the DC Navy Yard, didn’t it? You can lay the responsibility for that at the feet at Clinton – he wrote the executive order that declared all military installations to be gun free zones.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    He has nothing else in his capability. He isn’t smart enough to make any sort of intellectual contribution. That’s what liberal trolls do – it is all they have.

  • Guest

    She was talking about your head up your ass, but because it is there, you couldn’t figure that out..

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    That is quite simply the worst argument for gun control ever made. Your political alignment has rendered your brain useless, we can see that by this drivel. I am sorry you believe in delusions, but maybe there is hope that reality will occur to you at some point. When and if it does, you will become a conservative too. 

    The polarizing of America is the fault of the intolerant control freak left – the prohibitionists who want the government to regulate every human being on earth. Eventually it will dawn on you how foolish that thinking is when it comes to human behavior. 

    We conservatives are gaining power, but we have the wisdom not to use it in malicious and harmful ways to micromanage the lives of people. That is something that has eluded the left since the progressive movement began. 

    You are wrong, and one day you may realize just how wrong you are, if you are smart enough to figure it out. If not, then you are destined to live a life of frustration.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    You could not be more wrong – it is you liberals who are destined to feel the despair of a life of frustration.

  • Guest

    You can’t tell your ass from anything because you spend so much time there

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    You first. The only spiral here is the failure of your liberal lack of reason and denied freedom that you seek like lemmings. You are the one who is failing and that is becoming more apparent every day.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    You sir are absolutely correct!

  • Watch it

    They live the life of frustration because of their ideology and the laws they have helped create, but blame it on the right. Typical libby-progs who won’t take responsibility for what they create.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Like your capitalization of the word spelling at the end of the sentence? What a retard you are!

  • Watch it

    No, he never contributes a cogent argument or thoughtful comment, it is all trash talk intended to ridicule and provoke.

  • http://TheConservativePush.webs.com/ SoThere

    So true, so true. Joe’s been saying that for quite some time now.

    He just finds it redundant and besides he’s pretty busy right now.

  • http://thefriendcenter.com/ Average Joe.

    He’s a cry baby. He whines and whines until it almost becomes unbearable. Momma should cut the power to the basement.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Understands Emphasis Fail.

    But thanx for follerin’ me on disqus!

  • HP McLovincraft

    Sure, because that’s why you Follow Me on disqus. LOL. Derp.

  • HP McLovincraft

    There’s that weird (albeit conspiratarded) fantasy about being paid to post, again. But, hey, thanx 4 followin’ me on disqus.

  • HP McLovincraft

    If by ‘giving me a break’ you mean Following Me on disqus. Fanboy Fail.

  • HP McLovincraft

    The Ass Marauder. Booger YAH!

    Thanks for Following Me on disqus. Fanboys!

  • HP McLovincraft

    Which words do you need me to explain?

    Thanks for Following Me on disqus.

  • HP McLovincraft

    While I her vagina smells like an ass, it is in fact her vagina.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Becktard ‘bagger bubble fail.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Still Following Me on disqus?

  • HP McLovincraft

    I see you are still Following Me on disqus.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Follow Me on disqus. Boo-YAH!

  • HP McLovincraft

    I always thought you loaded marshmallows and graham crackers into guns. Isn’t that the recipe for s’mores?

  • Anonymous

    You know Joe if this punk had his lip split he would learn the meaning of respect he writes anything to piss people off while acting like some badass biker his family unfortunately will be going to his funeral do to his lack of mentality . thanx for the response God bless

  • Anonymous

    wouldn’t mine  carrying a gun. but most businesses you  can tell them or your supervisors

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Of course there is some kind of payoff for you – you wouldn’t be here if there wasn’t.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    The follow must really bother you, otherwise you would not whine about it so much. GOOD.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    The follow must really bother you, otherwise you would not whine about it so much. GOOD. You could always leave.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    You are the fail and own it. The follow must really bother you, otherwise you would not whine about it so much. GOOD.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Stupid and a complete failure is no way to go through life – The follow must really bother you, otherwise you would not whine about it so much. GOOD.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Ich brauche keine Erklärung von Ihnen – Sie sind ein Idiot Troll und niemand hier braucht Ihre fortgesetzte Dummheit hier. Tun Sie sich selbst und allen anderen einen Gefallen und wieder raus.

    I will keep the follow flagged until you move on, moron. Get used to seeing it.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    The fail is yours to own. Your feigned lack of comprehension reflects poorly on you and not on anyone else.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Shake me off if you can, little pig.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    For you. The rest of us know how to use and maintain firearms. Your pretend lack of smarts is astounding, and it really does not reflect well on you as an adult. It isn’t entertaining, cute or positive.

    But then, that is what we expect from troll morons like you. You remain true to form.

  • VindicatorX

    Maybe he could use a lesson or two about weapons.

  • Anonymous

    Pat seems a little confused on this point.  Can Pat honestly say that the best every day carry weapon is an AR15 (one that he rarely ever uses)?

    Compared to a pistol, an AR15 is very unwieldy and much harder to maneuver in crowded elevators, dinky cubicles and narrow halls.

    In a crowded office any rifle is a hindrance.  What about doors that opens towards you?  I dare you to try accurately aiming an AR15 with one hand while you open the door with the other.  If your target isn’t standing directly in front of your barrel, you’re in big trouble.  He can aim his pistol with an easy flick of the wrist.  Try “flicking” your AR15 around from side to side one handed (remember your other hand was needed to open the door).

  • Watch it

    Maybe he’s jonesing for a s’more and needs someone to teach him how to make them.

  • Watch it

    Pretend lack of smarts?

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    He pretends to be smart but lacks any semblance of intelligence. His pretense of intellect is evident in his smarmy remarks.

    He also likes to play innocent and uninformed with a little act that amounts to pretend lack of information where he asks the dumbest questions possible. He thinks it makes him look like a teacher asking questions of his pupils, but it really just makes him look like another libtard with an attitude.

  • Watch it

    I didn’t think much of his intellect anyway.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Understands Sarcasm Fail. Masked Troll-pole Gobbler.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Why would I want to do that? You keep nourishing me.

  • HP McLovincraft

    I’m flattered that you made the effort. And you swallow my cum like a fuckin’ pro, man.

  • HP McLovincraft

    You could always wipe your chin. Because I have more cock ammo to unload in your face.

  • HP McLovincraft

    I guess, if by ‘bothering’ you mean ‘begging for another blast of hot jizz’. Splat.

  • HP McLovincraft

    It’s called an orgasm. Now wipe your face for load 2.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    You lie about your potency – you have none, and you’re a legend in your own mind, troll. You have no real contribution to make which is why you are so far off topic that you can do nothing but make ineffective personal attacks. Still having a good time?

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Keep being a disgusting troll in denial. This has nothing to do with the topic.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    You have nothing to do but be a jackass. Now that we have seen the sum total of your intellect, you may retreat to underneath your bridge, troll.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    Keep on being a troll. Your futile efforts at entertaining yourself must be awfully disappointing – you seem to have a need to be a lame ass troll.

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    I give you nothing but toxin. Die troll, die!

  • TheMaskedMarauder

    You have failed to display any sort of sarcasm, but you have done an outstanding job of being an idiot troll.

    Have you any idea about the topic here? I doubt you know more than the average five year old about it.

  • Guest

     They want a socialist utopia, which is not possible, as proven by other countries who have attempted it.

  • Guest

      They want a socialist utopia, which is not possible This has been proven by other countries who have attempted it.

  • HP McLovincraft

    I’m having a grand ole time coming on your face. I wish you would swallow.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Still thinking about my veiny cock and my piping hot come?

  • HP McLovincraft

    Wipe your chin. It is literally covered in sperm, and that’s gross.

  • HP McLovincraft

    Keep on being a professional cock-swallower. You gobble sperm like a motherfucking ninja. Take a breath, yo.

  • HP McLovincraft

    I guess, if by ‘toxin’ you mean ‘troll food’.

    Unclear on the Concept Fail.

  • HP McLovincraft

    I may have failed…but you have succeeded….at making me bust a nut on your chin.

  • http://www.so-calresidentialremodeling.com/ Chuck Burns

    Glenn sometimes you have brilliant insight, the other day your read from Bradburys Fahrenheit 451 and cleared a several weak long writers block. But then you have these moments where you are completely ignorant it would seem of the side you, I would like to believe unknowingly taking.  I understand as a owner of a business you have other concerns but not one of them should super-cede a constitutional right. When you give your time to that kind of nonsense and acknowledge it you give relevance to that mindset. Don’t even validate that way of thinking. That employee with a concern should be sat down by you Glenn and you ask:
    1-”Do you think I am a decent good man?”
    Glenn we know you are.
    2-”Do you think I would hire men that are of questionable intentions?”
    Glenn we know you don’t the Blaze couldn’t be credible if you did.
    3-Then Glenn you tell her how alot of evil miss guided people don’t like the light you and your network shine in their corners.  And that you know in your heart should anyone in the building ever come under threat you know that the man over there with the AR will be the one follow to safety that because you hired him you know he is a good guy who would defend them you as if your family. 
    Glenn I think Stu would he seems to be a man of that caliber.
    4-Lastly you tell them that not only are they a person you trust but it is their God given right and you would defend them for that reason alone.

    WHAT MORE NEEDS TO BE SAID

  • Anonymous

    Glenn, why do people have no problem with Israeli Defense Forces personnel carrying their M4 around where ever they go in public?  Both while in uniform and out?

  • Anonymous

    gun laws only apply to law abiding citizens. think about it

  • Wyatt Hausman

    point is that you have to have a need to express a right, if you so feel to express the right to carry a gun then nobody can stop you if you are within the bounds of the law