Kathleen Sebelius admits Obamacare is a fine… not a tax

First it was a fine, then it was a tax, and now it’s a fine again – the definition of Obamacare changes depending on the politically expedient position of any given moment. It couldn’t be called a tax in the beginning because people don’t like taxes. It couldn’t be a fine during the SCOTUS hearings because then it’d be unconstitutional. But, alas, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius was on with Jon Stewart calling the law a fine once again. For his part, however, Stewart wasn’t buying what Sebelius was trying to sell.

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“But I don’t think he is an out and out leftist propaganda guy. He’s not. He’s a New Yorker who happens to believe a lot of the crap that the left says,” Glenn said on radio this morning. “But when you lose Jon Stewart on this, and you currently have, the new poll for the President is at 37% approval, you lose Jon Stewart on this, you are done. You are done. Listen to Jon Stewart with Kathleen Sebelius:”

Awkward, right? Stewart obviously thought so too because in a short segment after Sebelius left, he questioned her honesty:

“She’s lying to everybody,” Glenn said. “That’s amazing when you have Kathleen Sebelius leave and he goes on a rant and says, ‘I think she’s lying to me.’”

“The way he presents it, it’s not bad she’s lying because [he’s] saying it in a real fun way,” Pat said. “So everybody can be really happy with Kathleen Sebellius is lying through her communist teeth. Congratulation, America.”

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    Her very words shows that the entire legislation is unconstitutional, and confirms that the SCOTUS was pressured and coerced into affirming it as a tax instead of a penalty. 

    The truth is out, repeal Obamacare, and bring to justice all of those who have betrayed this nation with this blatant and illegal massive power grab for a Socialist government. It is now past time to end this bold-faced lie, and make the leftists pay for their crimes.

    For the left-low-info base, laws can be repealed and dispensed with, Obamacare is a law, and what man has made, man can dispose of.

    • Anonymous

      Including justice roberts

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    When the left loses Stewart, the Democratic party is officially doomed. Good riddance. 

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  • Anonymous

    So, since Chief Justice Roberts declared it Constitutional because it’s a tax, it should now be completely scuttled since it is in fact not a tax according to Sebelius.  That being said, even if Roberts’ opinion that it’s Constitutional because it’s a tax holds water, it would need to go back to a vote as taxation rather than legislation as only Congress has the power to levy taxes and they never voted on it as a tax.  The entire scam is based on lies, deception and convoluted maneuvers.  Get rid of it by any means necessary.  Then midterms get rid of the architects and bullies who tried to pull the wool over our eyes; then on to 2016 vote out the rest of the arrogant career politicians.  

    • Anonymous

      What you say is so, ‘sand.  Congress did NOT pass ACA w/a tax attached to it.
      SCOTUS can call it a tax, but they can’t IMPOSE a tax.  Why, then, should one pay?
      Will this be brought up in the House?  Wait and see if it does.

      • wentworthcheswell

        Doesn’t that mean that all health care premiums, fines (really a tax according to Supreme Court) is a tax now and we can write it off on our taxes? So that means if it costs a family of 4 $25,000 a year for health insurance (tax), we can write it off, it’s a deductible, right? since it’s a tax!

    • Anonymous

      Obama lawyers argued that this is a tax.  There is actually a recording of it.  However, now that they say it isn’t a tax, doesn’t that mean they committed perjury in front of the Supreme Court?  

      I don’t know, but I think should mean that (1) the decision becomes vacated (2) that every one in the Administration with a title higher than window washer goes to jail for a very very very long time.  

      And since these are speaking for the President, doesn’t this mean that he either has to throw them under the bus saying they were lying or accept that if they weren’t speaking for him, that he accepts this as a high crime?  You know, kind of like lying to the public about Benghazi, using the powers of the IRS to target his opponents, tapping peoples phones without a warrant.

    • wentworthcheswell

      If it’s a tax, we can write it off, right?

  • Anonymous

    All of these meaningless questions—e.g., is it a tax or is it a fine? Is it Constitutional or not?—- these are merely garbage-in-and-garbage-out arguments for the feeble minded Americans who misunderstand the real issues because they are unable to conceptualize the meaning of liberty.

    These dumb-ass questions don’t really matter to those of us who understand the difference between Natural Law and man-made, collectivist law; for example, back in 1920 those who understood Natural Law didn’t stop drinking when Amendment XVIII was enacted, because they knew the difference between a phony, man-made law and a natural, inalienable right to get fucking blasted, or, at the very least, imbibe until pleasantly buzzed before they enjoyed a good screw.

    Let me tell ya something, my family didn’t say, “Oh my fucking god! It’s unconstitutional to have a beer! I guess I better not drink, because I wouldn’t want to violate the Constitution because God might resurrect Ben Franklin so he might strike me down, dead.”

    No, that’s not what went down; on the contrary, what many people did back then was fucking party so hard that the decade came to be known as the roaring 20s. There was so much drinking, fucking and sinning going on that H.L. Mencken said that he never had it so good….. fuck the 18th Amendment and all of the Bible thumpers…… 

    ………fast forward to today and that swindle known as Obamacare………

    Currently, I don’t give a rats ass that the Supreme Court ruled that Obamacare is a tax, because I don’t recognize the 16th Amendment as legitimate Natural Law any more than I do the 18 Amendment. 

    Nobody can deny me a drink in my own home or force me to pay for anything outside of my own home unless they are willing to violate Natural Law including individual, inalienable rights. Which, of course, the collectivists are more than delighted to do, even going so far as to confiscate everything and throw my ass in jail……..

    The bottom line is Obamacare, SSI and any other euphemism for forced taxation is a direct violation of Natural Law; therefore, when the collectivists force people to act against their own will, it is they who are breaking the universal laws; it is they who are the crooks; it is they who are the government mafia……

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91J4PAda3EA Sam Fisher

    Not all youth are like this. I know I am not.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91J4PAda3EA Sam Fisher

    Even Jon Stewart knows that their lying but not one liberal troll here sees that sigh.

  • Anonymous

    Uh, has the SCOTUS redefined the ”payment” to ACA?  I must have missed that.  Maybe

    Sec. Kathleen was on vacation when that decision came down?  And her staff presumed she

    knew about it?   Not too swift, Madame Secretary.  

  • Thomas Aquinas

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  • Anonymous

    I keep hearing that if you choose not to take obamacare…you will be fined..OK…what if you refuse to pay the fine?

  • Anonymous

    I keep hearing that if you choose not to take obamacare…you will be fined..OK…what if you refuse to pay the fine?

    • Anonymous

       Possibly arrest, or if you own property such as a home, a lien on your property.

  • http://suzeraining.wordpress.com/ suz

    ditto on the very last thing pat said in this clip.

  • Anonymous

    truth from the past
     Paul Harvey 1965.
    If I were the Devil . . . I mean, if I were the Prince of Darkness, I would of course, want to engulf the whole earth in darkness. I would have a third of its real estate and four-fifths of its population, but I would not be happy until I had seized the ripest apple on the tree, so I should set about however necessary to take over the United States.
    I would begin with a campaign of whispers. With the wisdom of a serpent, I would whisper to you as I whispered to Eve: “Do as you please.” “Do as you please.”
    To the young, I would whisper, “The Bible is a myth.” I would convince them that man created God instead of the other way around. I would confide that what is bad is good, and what is good is “square”.
    In the ears of the young marrieds, I would whisper that work is debasing, that cocktail parties are good for you. I would caution them not to be extreme in religion, in patriotism, in moral conduct.
    And the old, I would teach to pray. I would teach them to say after me: “Our Father, which art in Washington” . . .
    If I were the devil, I’d educate authors in how to make lurid literature exciting so that anything else would appear dull an uninteresting. I’d threaten T.V. with dirtier movies and vice versa.
    And then, if I were the devil, I’d get organized. I’d infiltrate unions and urge more loafing and less work, because idle hands usually work for me.
    I’d peddle narcotics to whom I could. I’d sell alcohol to ladies and gentlemen of distinction. And I’d tranquilize the rest with pills.
    If I were the devil, I would encourage schools to refine young intellects but neglect to discipline emotions . . . let those run wild. I would designate an atheist to front for me before the highest courts in the land and I would get preachers to say “she’s right.”
    With flattery and promises of power, I could get the courts to rule what I construe as against God and in favor of pornography, and thus, I would evict God from the courthouse, and then from the school house, and then from the houses of Congress and then, in His own churches I would substitute psychology for religion, and I would deify science because that way men would become smart enough to create super weapons, but not wise enough to control them.
    If I were Satan, I’d make the symbol of Easter an egg and the symbol of Christmas a bottle. If I were the devil, I would take from those who have and I would give to those who wanted, until I had killed the incentive of the ambitious. And then, my police state would force everybody back to work. Then, I could separate families, putting children in uniform, women in coal mines, and objectors in slave camps.
    In other words, if I were Satan, I’d just keep on doing what he’s doing.
    Paul Harvey, Good Day.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mark.thoele.5 Mark Thoele

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  • Anonymous

    If Obamacare is supposed to be a fine how in the
    world could the Supreme Court approve the health-
    care bill.  Isn’t a fine against our Constitution to pay
    for something of this magnitude. It had to be a tax
    according to the Supreme Court.
    This bill should go back to the Supreme Court so
    that they can abolish it.  As you all know, we can
    deduct taxes off of our Tax Bill!  I really don’t think
    Congress will let us.  WHAT A MESS!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Ever been to Kansas not the whole state just eastern part of Kansas if you are looking for the truth that’s not were you will get it they are masters of telling you what you want to hear they have poop that doesn’t stink no really give it a sniff.
    Tax / Fine /Truth ??

  • Rose

    The reason that premiums are low is that the deductibles are killer.

  • wentworthcheswell

    The Supreme Court ruled it tax, not a fine, so that means that when they send you the fine that you have to pay, you can write it off of your taxes, because it’s a TAX according to the Supreme Court, not a fine!

  • Jason Buckwheat


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