New York Times: President Obama “misspoke” when he told Americans they could keep their insurance

We now know that when President Obama promised Americans that if they liked their health insurance plan, they could keep their health insurance plan he wasn’t telling the truth. But based on an op-ed published in the New York Times on Sunday, the Times editorial board doesn’t agree – calling the President’s broken promises an “overblown controversy.” After all, we all know President Obama simply “misspoke” when he told us over and over and over again that we could keep our plans.

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“It’s good to see that the New York Times has come out and just hammered the President for, you know, all the times that he said, ‘Hey, you like your doctor; you’re going to be able to keep it.’ They mercilessly hammered him, didn’t they,” Glenn asked on radio this morning. “Took him to task. Said that he ‘misspoke.’ You misspoke?”

Let’s take a quick look at just a sampling of the instances in which the President “misspoke.”

“How many times has he misspoken,” Pat asked. “That’s just a teeny little fraction of his speaking…. But there was never a time when he said, ‘If you like your plan and you like your doctor, you may not be able to keep it.’ Not once did he ever say that.”

“Well, all he did was leave off an apostrophe T,” Stu joked. “‘If you have health insurance you can…t keep it.’ That’s all.”

Considering that an NBC News report last week showed the Obama Administration knew millions of Americans would lose their current coverage as a result of Obamacare, the Times’ argument becomes more and more implausible.

“Here’s what they’re going to do. They have changed the rules on the insurance companies, said you cannot offer a plan unless it does these things, so all the plans that Americans had that didn’t include those things – you can’t keep that plan,” Glenn explained. “But don’t worry. Do you have the Ezekiel Emanuel quote from this weekend where he was on [Fox News]… That the private healthcare industry doesn’t like privatized insurance, and so it is trying to get rid of privatized insurance. The privatized insurance industry is trying to put the privatized insurance industry out of business. What?”

“It’s not the government. It’s not the government regulations. It was the privatized insurance companies that wanted to put themselves out of business because they don’t like it,” Glenn said exasperatedly. “That is the case. And that is the case that America will believe as well. You watch.”

Front page image courtesy of the AP

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Obama did not ‘misspeak’ on the matter: HE LIED.

    He deliberately, knowingly, willingly lied. Sad to say this, but I believe Glenn is right in that enough people will blame the insurance companies. For once I hope to be wrong.

  • Bonnie Somer

    He wants the ins companies blamed u know it is never him right although it is. HE KNEW B/C HE DESIGNED IT TO BE THIS WAY TO END PRIV INS COMPANIES AND DRIVE AMERICANS TO MORE GOVT SLAVERY GOVT HCARE AND OH TAXES TAXES 23 NEW ONES. DRS ARE RETIRING AND THE IRS IS HIRING SAYS RED FLAG TO ME. HE SAID U CAN ……………………….PERIOD AND U CAN KEEP UR DOCTOR PERIOD THAT IS PRETTY FINAL TO ME HE IS A CONSUMATE LIAR AND MANIPULATOR PURE COMMUNIST

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDFGELoC4zc Sam Fisher

    No he lied and it was proven.

  • Anonymous

    The NYT has zero credibility and continues to step and fetch for obama. No, he did not misspeak – he outright and blatantly lied.

  • Anonymous

    He misspoke for 4 years? What a BS story NYT!!!!

  • Carolyn Ferrante

    Are we all so shocked that our sitting President lied to the American public? Hasn’t he already lied about where he was born? How about lying that he’s a Christian? If he’s so sincere, why is he still hiding personal information about himself that all former Presidents have had to disclose? Why the fuss now???

  • Anonymous

    Depends on what the meaning of “Period” is. ;-)

  • Craig Colt

    his teleprompter “mis-spoke” 20 times…wow

  • Anonymous

    So why aren’t the REPUBS shouting in unison as to what a serial liar BO is??? The women on Fox News do but where are the ball-less repubs????

  • Kdiity

    Why are libs and the LSM so in the tank for this idiot of a prez ? I guess because it’s ok for them to lie, but don’t you conservatives dare to do it !

  • Anonymous

    Wait to you see the anger of people who are in cancer treatment who are suddenly dropped from their insurance. Now their lives are in the hands of community organizing parasite phumbledics. Extreme chaos is coming in a few short months.

  • Anonymous

    That’s why the NYT is history. obama’s base doesn’t read and conservatives wont buy it. obama is doing the “progressive lie” thing. Get his base swallowing his first line of crap then up the load. Socialism one step at a time. Congerss, can you not recognize treason when it bites you in the posterior. Impeach NOW.

  • Kdiity

    Yes, but many of the loyal braindead will believe this BS !! Unbelievable !!

  • bob shriner

    You will be able to keep your guns…period.

  • Erin Maxey Wilhite

    Rewriting history seems to be common practice…

  • Anonymous

    At one time the NYT was a top notch paper, now it is afraid of Obama and his pal’s they will not speak or stand up for truth, what are they so afraid of? Obama is a liar and a charlatan who twists the truth to suit himself. I hope someday I will read the NYT and see they woke up to the real truth. (I must be a dreamer, but like the saying goes “those who are afraid to dream never see their dreams come true”. To all voters vote straight Republican, this will stop Obama and the liberal Media.

  • Donny May

    Sometimes I feel like a little barking poodle. RUFF RUFF… My country is Dying. My country is Dying…..RUFF RUFF….I bark while I watch my country die.

  • Linda Vaughn

    We’re not talking about some trivial amount of money or matter in many cases… this will be the primary reason that this country will implode, and worse than that, millions of Americans will suffer because of inferior health care or a disruption in care. Yet we sit idly by and do nothing to get this poser out of office. Obama is a disgrace to our great nation and the office he besmirches . He is a pathological liar. If we do not take back our country, we will all be doomed.

  • Sterling Smith

    Obama Lied, Healthcare died.

  • Jessie James

    Ohhhhh… Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. It was taken out of context. He misspoke about keeping your plan/doctor. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. WAKE UP AMERICA!

  • Tony French

    When are we going to have hearing’s on this and treat him like “TRICKY DICK” and impeach his A$$???????????? that’s what I would like to hear in the news

  • spasticjack

    He did not lie about fundamentally changing our country though,,,,

  • Guest

    Who defends Beck’s many blatant lies? Just his pathetic Beckerhead followers.

    Oh, yes, there are many of them.

  • bumpkin

    Yeah, Glenn, that “misspoke’ word cracks me up, too. Do you suppose that if we create a new name for filthy liar it changes it to something more acceptable? I thought not, too. Obama is a vulgar Misspoker! (Oh, dont correct me and say its a misspeaker, either! It still is hogwash no matter how one colors it) To actually “misspeak”, one would have to accidentally speak, or speak without realizing it. They are confusing it with ‘misstep’. To Obama: (loudly now, in a chant…) Liar, Liar, Chair on fire, couldn’t get over his Thugs for Hire!

  • David Ross

    C’mon all you Barry Sotero bashers! He didn’t lie, nor did he misspeak. He just never had a chance to finish his sentence …….. You can keep your policy, You can keep your doctor. Was on the teleprompter., In little tiny letters scrolling across the bottom real fast was …….. as long as it fits within the parameters as written on one of the thousands of unread pages of this bill ……….. void unless prhibited by law.

  • Anonymous

    I believe o just “misspoke”. What he meant to say was ” If I like your insurance, you can keep it”. Not if YOU like your insurance you can keep it. Just a small difference.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t forget, the insurance the gov has picked out for you is much better than that crappy insurance you liked. I had a navigator tell me if I applied by paper the gov would pick out a few plans for me and send me info. When I pushed to see what criteria the gov would use – he said “like if you only make $2000/mt they will not recommend a policy that costs $500/mth. What??? When I asked “what if I have $5miilion and want to spend more for insurance?” He called his supervisor since no one had ever questions the gov picking out our insurance.

  • tj4fa

    New York Times should change its motto to… “All the news that’s ALLOWED to print”

    Perhaps Congress mis-voted as well.

  • Richard L. Misner

    I was telling everyone from the beginning when he was running for his first term that he was doing the same as Hitler lie to the the people long enough and they start to believe the lies! You did not need to be a rocket scientist to see that this man was a liar!

  • Anonymous

    If he only said it once then it could quite easily be claimed he only “misspoke” – whatever the hell that really means!
    But the same message, repeat,rewind,playback?
    It is an out & out lie.
    It’s like in Federal elections in Australia 2010, the then Prime Minister,Julia Gillard, emphatically stated “There will be no Carbon Tax under a government I lead” & repeated many times until the election.
    People believed her. One month after winning the election, in complicity with the communist Greens, she put in motion a Carbon Tax.
    Did she “misspeak”? After that fiasco she was dubbed “Juliar” – a name that has stuck forever more.
    Can you imagine if Mitt Romney or G Dubbya said the same stuff Obummer?
    The headlines would be 72 points high everyday screeching treason!
    But socialists do what socialists do best – lie through their teeth & talk out of their arse!
    How do you tell when Obummer is lying? A: When his lips are moving
    How do you tell when NYT is lying? A: Every time they publish a newspaper.

    So from now on, all the serial liars will just have to claim “I misspoke”.
    In court, there won’t be any perjury “I misspoke”.

    How’s the hope & change thingy working out?

  • Anonymous

    There is one thing about this editorial that I can admire – it doesn’t blame George Bush. Yet.

  • Shane

    It’s Bush’s fault. It’s Bush’s fault.

  • Anonymous

    He misspoke the very first time he said Good evening to the American people !!

  • Anonymous

    NY Times the official Obama “Ministry of Truth”. “Newspeak” is the official Obama language coming to a school system near you.

  • tj4fa

    Q. Do you know what the low Obamacare sign up numbers tell me?
    A. America is “voting” by not signing up.

  • Anonymous

    The headline I want to see in the New York Times is: AF – 1 CRASHES, NO SURVIVORS, MICHELLE ALSO ABOARD!

  • KrisGifford

    He lied! PERIOD! The man has never told the truth in his entire life! PERIOD!

  • Anonymous

    Hey guest, go back to the Huffington Post with the rest of the mental midgets!

  • Thomas

    I WILL NOT COMPLY; NOR WILL I PAY THE FINE…aka: ‘tax’

  • Anonymous

    Everything this blatant liar commie bass turd speaks is on his teleprompter. If he “misspoke”, it was a “planned misspeak, because the words were LOADED IN ADVANCE!

  • Anonymous

    I ‘misspoke’ when I told my mother that I didn’t take the cookie.

  • Bill

    When I think of the hordes of fools who have not the slightest clue regarding what is being spoken about here, I get it. Between all the free stuff to be had and catching up with the comedy channel, there is no time for concern regarding their liberty.

  • Glenn

    He’s a socialist liar who is running this country into the ground with help from every other crooked politician robbing this countries shrinking net worth to pad their own pockets.

  • Anonymous

    If by misspeak you mean lie, I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • http://www.hellosuckers.net/ Martin @ hellosuckers.net

    Impossible. That poor guy didn’t lie! How could he when he and his administration knows nothing, hears nothing and sees nothing!? He didn’t know you couldn’t keep it! It is not the law! It is bad apples which take the insurance from you!

  • Anonymous

    One misspeaks once or twice and corrects himself — This fraudulent Liar-In _chief lied over and over again stating several times over several dates the same lie again and again. That to me New York Times is LIE UPON LIE — YOUR lousy paper has overstepped it s authority. You lie along with the Liar in chief

  • http://www.facebook.com/christopher.deeley.9 Christopher Deeley
  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1541124102 Gail Fletcher

    Seems like all that this president does is back pedal. Pathetic.

  • Anonymous

    Think about all those who lied on their resumes in the eighties that are still working and you have your reason this pice of garbage barack hussein obama can get away with lying to the American people .

  • Anonymous

    So much for the New York Times!!! With that story, it flushed what credibility it has left down the toilet once and for all. Now it’s just another mouthpiece for a the ultra left-wing and a failed administration, advocating a health plan that is killing some people. That is not what honest journalism should be all about. But then, the New York Times has never been all about honest journalism….more about left-wing politics, even if it kills people!!!

  • Anonymous

    has anyone checked this out ?U.S SOLDIERS Expose Martial Law Agenda Plans 2013 – You Tube.. there are several videos to see here… the failure of Obamacare is by design.. the ACA is a sham .. watch these videos if you can get them..it will explain all

  • mike hunt

    I watched a montage on youtube, he misspoke over 167 times.

  • Anonymous

    No kidding! So he misspoke over and over again! Hate it when that happens! “Oh I fell over. Oh I fell over again!”

  • Brian M

    Obama has been lying about his religion, his parents, his passport, where he got his school tuition, how much dope he smoked, and even his name. That is just some of the stuff he lied about before becoming President.

    Did you think making him President was going to improve his honesty?

  • Anonymous

    It’s kind of hard to believe that Obama misspoke about at least 100 times when he reads everything from a teleprompter.

  • Guest

    Well, maybe the apostrophe T wasn’t on the teleprompter, Stu! Its not the Presidents fault. The teleprompter, I mean, not Obamacare. That’s a mess and he caused it.

  • Anonymous

    Shane! You did it! You found the missing apostrophe! :)

  • Anonymous

    Obama does not write his speeches, so he will just say that the information “I was given at the time” I thought was accurate. Ah, the Teflon Democrat.

  • donl

    NYT, your’e as corrupted as Obama and the whitehouse staff.

  • Alan Robert Springfield

    Lets’ face it, there were enough folks to vote this Man Obama into office. There were enough of their Senators to pass this HealthCare Law. That seals it until further notice. It will not change until
    there is enough folks educated enough in our country to realize never to vote for someone who will not work with the other Party for any reason except perhaps to help increase their power. Its all about liberal power, not much else!

  • Jay Bell

    He is a liar just like his race that’s why he is the first and hopefully the last , I still hope his mama is burning in hell for unleashing this foreign scum in America his granny too BITCHS!!!!

  • JonL

    Anyone educated on the matter knows better than this crock you just pulled right out of the Obama agenda handbook. I noticed immediately there are several points to this that are simply not true. No sensible person will buy this.

  • Nasty_Number_N8

    youre a severe piece of shit..who wishes death on someone

  • Anonymous

    NYT, just another Borg drone for President Obama

  • Anonymous

    Since the report from the whistler blower at CNN that Obama administration is paying main line news resources to hold back information — it is not surprising. The sad part is, the news people use to be hero’s, because their reporting held government accountable for questionable behavior; by informing the public. The newspapers are going broke, they are probably being bought. Obama whores.

  • Anonymous

    One good thing about insurance agencies that people may not recognize is that, they had to compete with other companies. Government care has no competition, just choices. Government care, doesn’t protect your information from identity theft like a private insurance company would want to. Obama doesn’t care if illegal aliens take your identity, he is destroying people individually as well as large companies.

  • rose

    So, the only thing still free in America the Free is suicide?

  • Anonymous

    as Hillary said,,,,,,,, at this point…. what difference does it make???!!!!!

    Tell a lie enough times, and it becomes the truth = /

  • Anonymous

    The Great Prevaricator’s countless lies are an overblown conspiracy? Really? When a “president” pathologically lies to the American people with nothing but malicious intent to decieve, then he no longer deserves to remain in office. He should have been removed after the Benghazi flurry of lies.

    Our president is supposed to be a UNITER. He has been nothing but a DIVIDER, along racial, socioeconomic and political lines. He is without a doubt the most pathetic excuse for a president that this country has ever had.

  • JonL

    He should have been removed long before Benghazi. But yeah, I get ya.

  • Anonymous

    Are you including all the dead people who voted, many more than once, and the people who illegally voted up to 10 times? Were it not for rampant voter fraud, the dims could not win so they resort to the mantra, if you can’t beat ‘em, CHEAT ‘EM.

  • Anonymous

    what he meant to say was, if you like your healthplan, you can keep your healthplan (ASTERISK)
    * = fill in the excuse of the day…….

  • David S

    HUH This is what happens you pull a plan out of the bottom of some ones drawer . Blow the dust off and pass it without reading it…..Now they said its the law we cant fight it …. Da fuck we cant ….It ought to be unconstitutional to pass a bill without reading it .. everyone who voted for it without reading should be impeached as well as the guy who signed into law

  • Anonymous

    Let the New York Times have it.blast them.

  • Anonymous

    Benghazi was the last straw, 4 Americans died because of his ineptitude or willful acts and he and that POS Klintoon lied about it from the very start.

  • H.R. PuffinStuff

    It should come as more of a surprise, if Obama actually speaks the truth!

  • Sherry Jones

    Ok, give us examples please. Preferably with video confirmation. After all, we can confirm Obama’s lies by playing back his press conferences, etc. So you should be able to confirm Glenn’s lies by giving us links, right? You certainly wouldn’t make an accusation like that without solid facts to back it up, right? Oh, and for the record, let’s set some parameters. Speaking words that you believe to be true, and then discovering at a later date were incorrect is called a “mistake”. Speaking words that you know to be false with the intent of deceiving or misleading others is called a “lie”.

  • Jeff Wilson

    Im confused , can i keep my current health insurance or cant I. Stop dancing around it and tell us what the requirements are, SMH

  • Bob Danley

    And now the New York Times is complicit in the lie.

  • Brandon Neubert

    Dude, did you even pay attention? How can the president be THAT NAIVE? Don’t be ridiculous man. I wonder what ELSE he “misspoke”. WHOOPSIE! I’m an idiot! Don’t blame me – I was ignorant! Don’t mind the fact that CONGRESS MAKES THE LAWS, I didn’t know what was going on!

    Listen buddy, when you go around endorsing something you don’t understand (on a daily basis mind you), that makes you ignorant AND stupid. It also makes you a LIAR, seeing as you are pretending to be an expert on something you don’t know a thing about. Obama blatantly lied to the public hundreds of times on this topic – pretending to be the expert when he was really ignorant?

    Obama is an american-hating moron, don’t try to defend him behind the curtain of ignorance. The last thing we need is an ignorant president.

  • Rick Bladderfish

    The entire thing & things about Ovomit makes me puke!! Im so stinking sick of this Jackass getting away with ANYTHING!!!

  • http://www.hellosuckers.net/ Martin @ hellosuckers.net

    Brandon, did you read my post entirely or just first two sentences and then you blew up? My whole post was an irony, joke, and I didn’t mean a word written in it seriously. Please read it again and you find out :)

  • http://www.hellosuckers.net/ Martin @ hellosuckers.net

    Mainly read it all the way to the end and you find out, that it is bad apples responsible for the whole mess and not that poor guy; heck… :)

  • Men_In_Black

    Obama can’t lie. He’s “The Savior” “The one”.

  • Guest

    No one but a blatant liar would defend a liar with the “I misspoke defense.”
    How as that worked for you so far Victor Tiffany?

  • http://www.hellosuckers.net/ Martin @ hellosuckers.net

    No it is bad apples’ fault!

  • Anonymous

    He didn’t misspeak! He flat out lied! Let impeachment proceedings begin!

  • Guest

    You leftist wish the death of anyone who doesn’t agree with your progressive BS. So when you look into the mirror do you see a severe piece of shit as well?

  • ed 0693

    I seem to recall “credible” news people saying worse about Bush. Who, by the way was a much much much better president.

  • Thomas

    I don’t really care what he said. I think it makes more sense to worry about the outcome. If those insurance companies that people aren’t able to keep, because they don’t meet the criteria don’t change then they would go out of business. Eventually they will change, at the expense of themselves and not the person they are providing healthcare too, otherwise their will be better plans to move on too.

  • Anonymous

    Typical of progressive journalists, they have to be politically correct according to progressive thought. When it comes to their opposition though, they can use ANY language that fits their agenda.When Bush was mentioning WMDs in Iraq, it had more credibility that anything the democrats are saying. How do you think Assad had all those WMDs in Syria?

  • Rubygirl

    Surprise, Surprise!!! Next, it will be “My teleprompter was in error….oh, speech writer…you made me lie! BTW, what promotion do you want?” Or “it was just a glitch and I will have the techs right on it”!!!!

    This regime has gone way beyond all belief and the worshipers “see no evil and hear no evil”!!!!

  • Guest

    When you tell the lie for 5 years over a dozen times it can’t be considered “Misspeak”.

  • Anonymous

    I think WE are the ones who will be doing the actual dying…

  • ed 0693

    You nailed it. And Harry Reid should be the first one to go to jail for illegally passing this law with 51%, remember needs 60% to become law, Harry needs to watch Schoolhouse rock; “I’m only a bill”.

  • Linda Semple Hendrix

    how are people going to afford Obama care. can’t we do something about it.? is there nothing the humans can do about it.? who can afford it.? also it will never be used as the deduction is sky high. its stupid made by a stupid president. I despise him…and then what about that 40% tax??

  • Jeff NoizeHead Becvar

    He needs to step down before someone forcibly removes his ass from office…..and his secret service agents need to be placed under arrest and questioned as well

  • cdo12

    He ran into my misspoke. He ran into my misspoke 12 times.

  • Rubygirl

    And now they SUGGEST you to pay 1/4 of your monthly income!!! That’s the percentage used when buying a HOUSE!!

  • Carne

    In Cuba Fidel Castro had the same problem he never knew anything ,about all the problems Cubans where facing because of his decisions only the people below him where the one responsible for the atrocities he did. It was always somebody else fault and he had nothing to do with all he was doing to keep people oppress.

  • Mark Robinson

    What you’re saying doesn’t make sense. The companies are going to change at their own expense, not the consumers? These are for-profit companies. And it DOES make a difference that the president consistently and purposely lied to the American people. It means the outcome you’re worried about is something he couldn’t sell without lying to us. (By the way, it’s “there” not “their,” your thought process is showing some weakness there). ;~)>

  • Mark Robinson

    Haven’t the liberal media been complicit all along?

  • Paul Fortier

    So sad that the media is so biased that they cannot even make a straight-faced attempt to report the news. The President and most politicians lie so much that they cannot even recognize the difference. Shame on all of us for allowing this to happen, our Country is doomed.

  • Joe_USA

    Obama has lied throughout his life, he does not no truth.

  • George Gartner

    Why isn’t he being impeached for all the debacles? Worst president ever!! Incompetent, in over his head! What is wrong with the legislative branch of our government? This guy is more and more a ‘dictator’ than a leader and servant of the people!! Why does he get away with all this crap?? Benghazi is one of the worst of his travesties. PPACA is tied for 1st place (or is there another?? — too many to keep track of). Why didn’t we/they just fix the problem for all those without insurance?? I am very happy with my current health care, but depressed over 2014′s choices for me. All the money spent on this could easily have solved the problem of the uninsured (I’m guessing on this statement) — enuf!!

  • Anonymous

    The NY times knows the truth but refuses to print it. They want the socialist/communist mudslime domestic terrorist to take over our country. Hos stupid of them. Do they think he will need them after conquering the USA? It seems that all news media outlets are owned by SIX people or organizations and these are liberal ( socialist/communist) traitors.

  • natalie

    I agree Carolyn 100% and its funny, Bush sent troops to Iraq because there was weapons of mass destruction, which we know there was, they bhid them in Syria, but look at all the critisizm he got for the war, but he did protect this country, I don’t see Obama protecting a damn thing, we need protecting from him!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    According to Websters:
    LIE = “To make a statement that one knows to be false.” Since President Pants-on-Fire knew at least 3 years ago that millions of people were going to be losing the health plans and doctors they were perfectly happy with, what he did was LIE.

  • Thomas

    They are for profit companies that are going to lose money by not changing. And yes, when I re-read that I knew that was going to be flagged by someone.

  • Anonymous

    If you want to take power from the government support the FAIR TAX AMENDMENT HR-25 in the house S-122 in the senate. Call your congressmen.

  • Anonymous

    Those who read the NYTimes are being foolish. Those who pay for what they read, are playing the role of a useful idiot.

  • Men_In_Black

    The lefts plan has always been a “single payer government plan” with no insurance companies offering any alternatives to the government. Obama has said that already and no he didn’t misspeak when he said it. It’s what leftist progressive have been after all along.

  • Frank Morris

    Miss-spoke? Are you fucking kidding me. NYT…kiss my ass you socialist water-bearing Obama cock-sucking northeast liberal pieces of dog squeeze. You’re little piece of shit “rag” isn’t worth pissing on…neither are your writers, editors, nor owners.

  • Men_In_Black

    You can’t get rid of the leftist financial tax arm (Taxstapo). How will you ever stop opposing groups from keeping their money to oppose Obama and the leftist socialists?

  • Lee Weber

    NEW YORK – the city has to protect their “savior” regardless of how outlandish the lie. The majority of the city is made up of people who need his lies to come to fruition…they need handouts, they need “free” and they need us to provide. And Hussein is the avenue called easy street for most. The sad part – these people are no better off today then they were 5 years ago…but bet your butt – if Barrack were running for office – any office – they’d still vote for him regardless of how much better qualified the other candidate.

  • Larry G Nelson

    Obama is the new Sergeant Schultz Hogan’s Heroes ” I know nothing”

  • John Johnson

    A lie is a lie is a lie. No two ways around it. In recovery, which Obama obviously needs to be in, it’s called Denial. You learn that you take ownership of the mistakes that you have made, and you call it what it is…in this case, a lie. Saying that he “misspoke” does not change the fact that he knowingly and willfully “misspoke”, with the intention to deceive and defraud the American people. Call it what you want, NYT, but he lied, plain and simple. Why would you discredit yourself and continue to tiptoe around on the deck of a sinking ship? You are just as bad as he is, NYT, and it is a shame that you would continue to mislead this great country with your own lies!

  • Anonymous

    Obama did not misspeak, HE LIED !!!!!!!!!! Obama was advised to lie to the public long before this healthcare plan became law, because his plan was so outrages and big, the only way to promote it was to lie his a$$ off and he did! Now when he tries to defend this piece of garbage law he has added a IF to what he once declared ” if you like your healthcare insurance you can keep it”———IF. Beware when he says if you like your guns you can keep them

  • BrownSugarC

    Has it occurred to anyone that the reason that this statement is false is because
    insurance companies have been SCREWING YOU for months/years? I have
    private pay single policy costing $755 per month. I have to have a second
    opinion for most major procedures. Twice they have been questioned to my
    good. There is a process on being able to get named brand ‘scripts so I
    don’t gripe a lot about the other five generic ones. There is a specific
    amount that my “company” pays for office visits and other in office
    treatment. People are pissing and moaning for what? So they can
    look like the Emperor with no clothes.

  • BrownSugarC

    No, people have been cheated for such a long time that they don’t get it.

  • Anonymous

    Tricky Dick was white and Obama is black and a Democrat so he will not be held to the same standard that Nixon was.

  • JonL

    Oh, it’s no secret that insurance companies screw people, which is one of the many reasons the healthcare industry needed reform. But what we’ve ended up with is not a reasonable reform. This is outright government hijacking under a socialist agenda, which screws the people much worse than the insurance companies could ever do. We’re already reaping the (cough) “benefits” of the new healthcare “reform.”

  • William Armstrong

    You know it doesn’t bother me as much that He lied because he has been lieing since he ran for president the first time, but what bothers me that the American People have such a low moral standard that lieing doesn’t bother them. Also, the facts do not seem to mean anything with most people. Now! people are going squeal because the pied piper is turning in to the wicked witch. Lets see if the American people will come to the senses.

  • JonL

    What bothers me is the agenda and motivation behind the lies. Why would the leader of the free world have to lie to his own people?

  • Anonymous

    That pile runny camel dung didn’t MISSPEAK….he out and out lied. That’s all that pathological liar knows how to do! What’s wrong with our Congress? They haven’t LYNCHED…I mean IMPEACHED him yet?

  • Anonymous

    For supposedly being the smartest president ever, he certainly has a penchant for misspeaking. Good thing it’s just the citizens’ healthcare and not something like national defense.

  • Guest

    he does “misspeak” quiet a lot doesn’t he ?

  • Richard

    American’s, OBAMA is a LIAR! and the Media backs him and they are helping him spread his LIES. What is worse WE have NO Government backing us! Our Fore Fathers gave us Rights and freedom! OBAMA wants to take away our Freedom and our Rights! and Capital Hill is allowing this and over 90 million people will be forced to loose their rights to free choice of Insurance. Then OBAMA will have what he wanted SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!

  • Anonymous

    They were on the phone crafting the video cover-story while Woods and Doherty were still on the roof fighting for their lives.

  • Ron Babineau

    He misspoke, all 7,432 times …. geesh, what a moron ………

  • Average Joe.

    I wanted to let you know that earlier today I received my “Obamacare enrollment packet” from the White House.
    It contained:
    · An aspirin and a band-aid.
    · An ‘Obama Hope & Change’ bumper sticker
    · A ‘Bush’s Fault’ yard sign
    · A ‘Blame Republicans first, then anybody and everybody’ poster
    · A ‘Tax the Rich’ banner
    · An application for unemployment and a free cellphone
    · An application for food stamps
    · A prayer rug
    · A letter assigning my debt to my grandchildren
    · And lastly, a coupon for a machine that blows smoke up my ass.
    Everything was made in “China” and all directions were in Spanish.

    Keep an eye out. Yours should be arriving soon.

  • JonL

    LOL…Now that’s funny right there, I don’t care who ya are.

  • Guest

    Victor Tiffany’s expected idiotic attack on Glenn Beck. Victor, the failed Occupy Wall Street, anti Business except for the one he works for for a living and guest speaker at a Communist rally.

    The Original Peckerhead Beckerhead who’s the owner of a number of hate Glenn Beck websites.

    He doesn’t understand that Obama’s lies affect 315 million US citizens and Glenn Beck is just one citizen with an opinion.

  • Cary Davis

    Everyone else calls that lying! Only politicians use the word “MISSPOKE”

  • Anonymous

    “If you like your health-care plan, you can keep your health-care plan. Period.” The “Period.” after the period (.) was a redundant emphasis. The sentence on it’s own allowed for no equivocation, nuance, condition or exclusion. When he verbalized the punctuation mark by stating it, (Period), that was the end of the story. There is no spin that can change it. As Aristotle said, “A=A” even in Obama’s upside down world.

  • Guest

    My insurance company always treated me with respect and prompt service. I understood the policy I was buying and my medical treatment is exceptional. I don’t need Obamacare or it’s exchange. I have great sympathy for everyone. OBTW, my elderly parents had their supplemental insurance cancelled 3 times due to Obamacare policies. Coverage from medicare has decreased to a deplorable state since Obama cut 780 Billion dollars from Medicare. They’re lucky because I can afford to pay for exceptional supplemental care for both of them.

  • JonL

    And did anybody catch THIS spin on the lie? Really…you can’t make this stuff up!

    Feinstein: Hey, you could have kept your plan … until we enacted ObamaCare

  • JonL

    I’ve never had a problem with my insurance either, Joe. The plan I had was affordable and I had great coverage. But because of the new health car laws, my premium has just doubled.
    Your parents are fortunate to have you as a son.

  • Anonymous

    Solution: Don’t Get Sick, don’t get old, don’t earn a lot of money, don’t watch Fox…

  • Anonymous

    What is wrong with the legislative branch of our government??? Why are they all sitting on their hands tolerating this fiasco ???

  • Anonymous

    Misspeaking with deliberate intent, is lying! The NY time is the biggest propaganda machine for the administration!

  • Mitzi Carroll

    How many times did he “misspeak”? Nah, he lied

  • Leah Lax

    why would I need OBG and Birth Control when I am a senior citizens who cant have babies and on Social Security and Medicare. My insurance company just told me they have to increase the price of my coverage to include this maternity plan!

  • Leah Lax

    Obama Care Clinics are fulled with Foreign Doctors who can’t speak English. How are we to communicate? Maybe we need to learn Arabic?

  • Dave

    Remember the vitriol Democrats and the LSM – especially the NYT – directed at President George H. W. Bush over his pledge “Read my lips: no new taxes”?

  • Anonymous

    I guess when we tell the police a lie, we can say we misspoke. We can tell them Obama said it was OK. Obama has misspoke about 722 times since he took office.

  • 733336

    One lie covering another lie and it goes on and on.

  • David Elliott

    1) Less than one percent of health insurance policies will likely be cancelled.
    2) The reason these policies will be cancelled is because they are
    substandard under ACA guidelines and nearly worthless — see the link below.
    3) The insurance companies chose to cancel these policies because they
    didn’t want to upgrade the policies to ACA minimum standards.
    4) Those who have had these policies cancelled will be able to get much better coverage at fair prices through the exchanges.
    http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2012/03/junk-health-insurance/index.htm

  • Anonymous

    Yes , that’s why all the intelligence teams from the coalition forces agreed with Mr. Bush and it is also why those nations agreed to a coalition force. What part of coalition seems to escape your grasp?

  • David Elliott

    There’s no such thing as an “Obamacare Clinic”. Get real.

  • Anonymous

    The NYT lies so much they don’t know the truth when they hear it.
    They have got some stupid reporters working for them, no wonder
    New Yorkers are so screwed up they are reading a Newspaper
    that never tells the truth.

  • Anonymous

    Obama “misspoke” and many Americans “misvoted” after they heard him misspeak.

  • David Elliott

    Oh, please. the worst vitriol against President Bush over this issue came from the Republicans, particularly Newt Gingrich, Trent Lott, Pat Buchanan, and even Dan Quayle. Your hero Limbaugh ripped Bush a new one.

  • David Elliott

    President Obama’s statement was true for 99 percent of policy holders. For the other one percent, who held worthless junk policies, if they actually liked their policies, they were either crazy or deluded or misled.

  • iitywimwybmad

    Shovel Ready Bullsh!t… These fvcks think they are clever?
    Wait till their followers turn on them. Just sit back and watch the snakes eat their own.

  • iitywimwybmad

    @ David,
    Your septic tank is overflowing. In other words, u r full of SH!T!

  • Margaret

    His supporters don’t care if he lied. That will not affect their votes in the next election. If BO yanked down his trousers and mooned America during the State of the Union address, they would clap and say what a great sense of humor he has.

  • David Elliott

    Thanks for your articulate, well-reasoned response!

  • Average Joe.

    Nonsense. When did you join the exchange?

  • Anonymous

    The Dems want to send out a hug and thank you for giving us Virginia — thanks. It takes a special kind of stupid to nominate a guy who wants blow jobs illegal. It takes a special king of stupid to nominate a guy for Lt Gov who thinks Obamacare is worse than Slavery. So thanks and we will see you in 2014. Then on to 2016, and Hillary being sworn in. So keep up your good works we appreciate it. After all the GOP might have taken the Senate if not for you.

  • Anonymous

    You people just don’t know when to stop lying, do you? An existing policy can only be grandfathered in if it hasn’t changed since 2010. So how could they “upgrade the policies to ACA standards” without making any changes? Besides, if I liked my current insurance, I was supposed to be able to keep it the way it is, not after it has morphed into Obamacare.

    In California, 900,000 people have already received cancellation notices. There would have to be 90 million insured families living in California for that to equal “less than one percent.” I received my cancellation notice in August, and I have yet to be able to get my login to work on healthcare.gov. Can you guarantee that I’ll be able to sign up by Nov 15 at a “fair” price? Less than 6 weeks and counting before I am without health insurance on Jan 1, 2014. What will you say about Obamacare when it turns out that there are more uninsured Americans in 2014 than there were in 2013 — that Democrats misspoke when they said they wanted everyone to have access to health insurance? Was that another lie?

  • iitywimwybmad

    The problem with communism, is there are no “Checks and Balances” in our federal government anymore…legislative, executive, and judicial branches.
    Screw the taxpayers, we the Government do what we want…

  • Average Joe.

    More nonsense. http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance

    That’s NBC the Obama network. By Lisa Myers and Hannah Rappleye

    NBC News

    President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.

  • iitywimwybmad

    Glad I could help…

  • Average Joe.
  • Average Joe.

    It’s called “Taking responsibility” something leftists know nothing about.

  • David Elliott

    Nonsense? No, just simple math. There are about 200 million health care policies in force. About 2 million policies will probably be cancelled.

  • Sandy Johnson

    Please consider making your point without the obscenities.

  • Average Joe.

    President Bush hasn’t been in office for almost 5 years. Didn’t anyone tell you? the Bush’s fault thing isn’t part of the leftist talking points anymore. Didn’t you get the new memo, defend Obama by trying to say he didn’t lie he just misspoke!

  • Brandon Neubert

    I took you seriously, if you were kidding – then that’s my bad and I apologize. But my post still stands even independent of yours. Do understand that I read your entire post, please read my second and third paragraphs to understand my feelings.

    To feign is to lie, and he feigned knowing what the health care plan was all about, in order to push votes in the plan’s favor. To declare a false idea as fact when in actuality you yourself do not know the truth, is to be dishonest. He lied.

  • Gary

    I agree. He LIED!!! He knew what he was doing. The entire o-bamacare debacle is a total lie. This is the United States of America. o-bama has no right to demand or mandate that everyone will ” have ” to buy insurance. Totally against the Constitution . We need to get this man and his cronies out of office.

  • Average Joe.

    It must suck to be you.

  • David Elliott

    Your misinterpreting what Peter Lee said. 900,000 will not be cancelled. More like 230,000. The rest will simply lapse on their expiration date. Subtle difference, I know, but it’s there.

  • David Elliott

    If you believe what NBC tells you, well, there’s your problem right there.

  • Anonymous

    This shouldn’t come as a surprise.

    I remember this blog post back in 2009:

    http://finditstrange.blogspot.com/2009/10/dear-president-obama.html

    It wasn’t really that hard to see that most plans were going to be cancelled.

  • Anonymous

    Is your post sarcastic?

  • Average Joe.

    They’re your people. LMAO Poor Lisa will be banished to Dutch Harbor to count sea gulls.

  • Anonymous

    I think Glenn may be misquoting Emanuel.
    Emanuel said that private insurance companies wanted to get out of the individual insurance market, not the private insurance market.
    Meaning, insurance companies want to sell only group plans to employers.

    So, while this whole thing is still complete crap, that is an important distinction.

  • Average Joe.

    Like I said, it must suck to be you.

  • klaus

    Sheep

  • JonL

    Obama said we could keep our health insurance plan.
    We can’t.
    He lied.
    Whether you’re a Democrat, Independent, or Republican; Liberal, Moderate, or Conservative…why is that difficult for some of you to understand? Furthermore, why are some of you defending a lie?

  • Average Joe.

    Obama cultists have no choice but to defend him. Next comes the Kool-Aid.

  • Anonymous

    obama has flat lied and there should be some consequences. I pray that the American people will hopefully open their eyes, and use their brains to make a change. The people that go along with him has no guts to come out and tell the truth neither does he, that is why there are so many lies. Shame on him.

  • JonL

    But why? What do they really believe they are going to gain from it? Do they really not realize their butts are going to be burnt along with everyone else’s? It’s insane.

  • Average Joe.

    Cultists are not rational people. Remember, they all partake together in the drink in the end. Next will be the Old Fat lady, liar cultists.

  • Average Joe.

    Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”http://investigations.nbcnews….

    President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.

    That’s from your own people.

  • Jon

    Actually, the NYT is nothing but a lying pile of toilet paper. If that is their headline and all they do is lie then Obummer and his fellow thugs would be alive and well (probably on vacation) .
    Fact: O’bummer lied, not once but thousands of times…he’s been trained to do this since infancy.

    Fact: He is guilty of treason…for more than just the healthcare “reform” act.

    Fact: He has NEVER had any type of leadership experience required to do the job he is currently getting paid for.

    Fact: American’s have become stupid and decided that instead of voting for the right person for the job they will vote for the person who promises them the most free stuff.

    Fact: The American people are just as guilty of treason as this bumbling I.D.10.T.

    Our ranting and raving here is not going to do us any good. Write your congressmen, both the House and Senate. Tell them if they don’t begin impeachment proceedings and immediately recall the Affordable Care Act you will not vote for them again. Let’s all go into our congressman’s office and sit down with them to discuss the lack of forethought that went into this bill. Let’s remind them of what happened to automobile insurance prices when the government mandated we buy it, the cost skyrocketed and NEVER came back down.

    All the chatter and comments on stories like this does nothing to actually effect change…it is just mindless chatter!

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for clearing that up. All this time I thought my policy was being cancelled on Dec 31st, but now I know it will simply “lapse” and not be renewed. What a big relief!

  • Anonymous

    The desperation of the left in licking Obama’s boots has now become embarrassingly pathetic. Had Bush or ANY Republican president actually misspoken on far less important issues, even once, they would have crucified them and mocked them into insensibility. That’s not a theory; it happened nearly every day.

    No matter how emphatically Obama spoke, no matter how many times he repeated the same lies, no matter how many memos from personal meetings with the president show that he was completely aware of all the problems, missed deadlines and failures, and he still decided to not only not delay the opening of the exchanges, he went head-to-head with the Republicans, stuck his nose in the air, and refused to negotiate even the deadline for individuals in the healthcare marketplace. He obviously was counting on a free pass from the press, and for the most part, he’s received it. He is either the most incompetent president in history (BS) or the most evil.

    Since it’s obvious he is not sincere in his efforts, it is obvious it is the latter, and the press has been willingly complicit. Apparently, the New York Times has not sunk low enough on their readership yet and decided to double down on idiocy. They either believe that their readership is so moronic that they will just take their word for it, or they’re so pathetically committed to the cause of progressive liberalism that they have completely deluded themselves. I can’t decide which is worse…

  • Anonymous

    He lied, of course, that is what pathological liars do.
    It occurred to me today that the “healthcare exchanges” have the perfect name. The goal of Obama and his cronies seems to be to “exchange” tens of millions of responsible taxpayers (who formerly purchased their own health insurance in the individual private insurance market) with a few hundred thousand new recipients of federally subsidized insurance. These new people are obviously morally superior to the others, who provided for themselves. That is the “exchange” this administration wants, and if we’re not careful this is merely the beginning of our transformation into a welfare state that will make the Scandinavians look like mere pikers….
    I saw a wonderful set of paintings the other day, made to look like the “Hope and Change” posters. The first says”Hope” and shows a sixpack of Pabst Blue Ribbon. The second says “Progress” and shows three of the cans lying on their side empty! Maybe when O-care is fully implemented we will all be able to afford a three-pack of beer…

  • Leah Lax

    Oh really I guess you havent heard of the Hamilton Clinic the first of the Obama Care ones all foreign doctors who cant speak English… You better learn Arabic.

  • Anonymous

    The administration and its pet doctor, Zeke the Freak Emanuel, are probably counting on the cancer patients being too weak to raise much of a ruckus.

  • Anonymous

    Every time Obamma tells the truth one of his eyes fall out

  • Anonymous

    Misspoke himself? If Memory serves, that line didn’t work for Nixon. Did Obama actually mean “If ‘ I ‘ like your health care plan you can keep it”? I hope this backfires in his face but we all know that isn’t going to happen. His media lap dogs and press staff will not let that happen. In my neighborhood quite a few have received letters from their insurance that they are being dropped or will have to pay considerably more. The Obama and Democrat supporters are still in denial. Even when you show them the video of the lie about being able to keep your coverage and doctors, they claim that the videos were doctored up by FOX. We also have many retired seniors. In 2008 and 2012 they proudly displayed their Obama and Democrat signs on their front lawns and stickers on their cars. I tried to tell them what was in store for them after the election and they called me a racist. They insisted that what the Tea Party and Republicans were saying about Obama and the Democrats were all racist lies. In addition to the insurance cancellation letters, many of them have been informed by their Doctors that they are being dropped as patients and are advised to seek another health care provider. They are devastated by the news. You would think that they would finally see the light. Not in this lifetime. They all insist that Obama is the greatest President we ever had and probably ever will have. They are still drinking the liberal Kool-Aid and blaming the greed of the doctors, Republicans and Bush. They are still convinced that Obama and the Democrats will get it all straightened out. In the end they will vote themselves right into another Holocaust and take all of us with them. If Joseph McCarthy was still alive, he would be saying “I TOLD YOU SO!”

  • Anonymous

    That freak Rom Emanual brother Zeak Emanual was the one that supposedly wrot it. They lie so much you never know what to believe. One of the old Dictators or Saul Alinsky Obammas idle said if you run the peoples health care you can own them. Tthe book Rules for Radicals is Obamas Bible and Saul Alensky dedicated it to satan

  • Anonymous

    The Supreme Court up held slavery and it was over turned. LOL

  • Denny Swain

    I hope he misspoke when he said he was funding al qaeda and muslim brotherhood , but he was being truthful then. Thousands have been slaughtered by the smiling devil obama.hes leader of u.s. military, muslim brotherhood, and al qaeda. Who can make war with the beast?

  • Anonymous

    Obama is using a dead mans ss number from i think conn. Obama was in the chum gang

  • David Elliott

    No, it’s a useful distinction. If I let my auto insurance lapse, and go with a new company the day after the old policy lapses, I suppose you could say I cancelled my old insurance. But you couldn’t say that my old insurance company sent me a cancellation notice. A lot of people in California who don’t like their existing health insurance policies will let them lapse on 12/31 and find new insurance on the exchange. They are included in the 900,000 that Lee cited.

  • Ted Yost

    Wow I didn’t realize teleprompters could misspeak.

  • Jacob Shkreli

    Maybe he has a form of a Lisp and you cannot hear the T in Can’t! Hummmmmmmmmmmmm

  • Denny Swain

    I believe obama to be the absolute worse leader ever, his intent is to destroy the nation he leads. Hes a liar, murderer thief, babykiller,terrorist and new leader of al qaeda.he funds al qaeda and muslim brotherhood who kill and eat the heart and liver of fallen foe. I believe obama is a result of america slaughtering 56 million of its own offspring thru abortion and forgetting God. Saying to self i can do as i will and i will prosper anyway, i will never be moved. Guess what? We need Almighty Yahweh, not obama.we need repentance of abortion not more murders of the Most innocent

  • Victor’s Punishment

    This is not misspeaking when you do it for three years running, it is lying, straight up. This is an overselling of an egregious overreach by the executive branch, and Mr. Obama committed fraud each and every time he “misspoke”. The scale of this is nothing short of astonishing – Millions of people without health insurance because of the embedded Cass Sunstein regulations whereby they were bilked out of their health care plan by a lying chief executive, a Senate that was complicit, and it was all done overnight on a Christmas Eve at 02:00 in the morning. This thing stinks so bad they had to pull a stunt to pass it, and lie to us all for three years running to tell us how great it isn’t.

    After lie upon lie upon lie, how can we the people trust anything this President and his lackeys say?

    The short answer is we can’t. It is beyond time to impeach this wanna be dictator and pull the flush handle on his entire corrupt and evil administration!

  • Victor’s Punishment

    Actually it is still a lie, just repeated many times – which is an indication of the contempt these people hold the American people in.

  • gskuc2003

    Oh, sure…and he miss-spoke when he took the oath of office promising to “faithfully execute” his office and “preserve, protect, and defend” the Constitution. What he meant to say was “faithfully execute with drones…all enemies, foreign and domestic” and “pervert, eject, and de-friend” the Constitution. Yes, now that all makes sense of what Obama has been doing.

  • David Elliott

    Denny, good news! Lucky for you the ACA mandates that all health care insurance must cover mental health treatment. Looks like you’re gonna need it.

  • Victor’s Punishment

    Either he is a serial liar, or he is absolutely deaf, dumb, and blind, or he is as evil as is humanly possible –

    OR all three. All I know is his time is up. It is time to be rid of him and his ilk.

  • Greg Sears

    They need to IMPEACH that piece of crap, get rid of that OBAMACARE CRAP (which I will NOT be getting because I’m Poor) So what’s he going to do about that? If you can’t afford it Lock me up……….

  • Anonymous

    I was wondering…does the number of times our President misspoke about Obamacare equal the number of times we were told BENGHAZI was only a
    reaction to a video?

  • Anonymous

    Miss spoke???? Not once but many times. Miss spoke is lying in my book

  • Steve Schaefer

    Isn’t this lie and the lie about IRS and the lie about, too many lies to keep track. Anyway, has all the varying programs and policies harmed the American people? How about the lady with stage 4 cancer losing insurance and doctors, Will most likely lose her life because of it. is no one accountable for such a thing as this? Maybe a stretch to call it m____r and maybe a strtch to call the deliberate harm of the American infrastructure t_____n.

  • JonL

    Yeah, it’s called murder and treason. No stretch, just the truth.

  • landofaahs

    “If you make under 250K you won’t see your taxes raised. Not even one dime” Then they argued in front of the Supreme Court that obamacare is a tax.

  • landofaahs

    Just like Bill Clinton, when he opens his yap you know he’s lying and when he points his bony finger at you then you know he’s lying and just been caught.

  • landofaahs

    Hey Obama, if you put that bony finger up your you know what, you’d look just like a fudgesicle.

  • Jayne Register

    Martin, unless you are referring to more than ONE bad apple, you misused the all important apostrophe! :)

  • Jayne Register

    Brandon, I believe Martin was using sarcasm.

  • Jake Layer

    Or are too drunk over the prospect of more free stuff to see that it’s not really free.

  • Jake Layer

    In the court of public opinion, it becomes the *trooth*

  • Jake Layer

    Exactly! During the 08′ election cycle we couldn’t forsee exactly what Obama would do if elected president but we knew he was a snake; that was enough. And what do snakes do?

  • http://www.hellosuckers.net/ Martin @ hellosuckers.net

    yes I was referring to more bad apples, well I think our Obozo was referring to more apples. I do not remember it…

  • http://www.hellosuckers.net/ Martin @ hellosuckers.net

    No worries I understand since I am furious myself and I was against Obama(doesn’t)care since the beginning. I knew exactly that this would be the result, because I originally came from a country where this socialized stupidity is in action. The US is now following it step by step into same disaster. Next step, if this law is not repealed will be even higher cost of insurance for everybody and more dropouts from employer plans as there will be no force to control the cost. In private insurance plans where there is some competition you have the control. With socialized insurance you do not care. Everybody has it, it is “free”, so who cares. the country I originally emigrated from now takes 34% from peoples paycheck to pay for nationalized/socialized healthcare. Just wait for it. So I cannot withstand that communist lying bastard more than you.

  • http://www.hellosuckers.net/ Martin @ hellosuckers.net

    yeap, that was my intent… :)

  • Brandon Neubert

    Dude, I wish I could hear your entire story. It’s frightening me in all honesty. Here I am, a 22 year old college student looking at a bleak future – using whatever hard earned cash I can earn to fund some lazy jerks healthcare, housing, foodstamps, everything. I’ve seen in person what happens to all that money. I knew another 22 year old living in government housing living off government food stamps with government unemployment funds, and he was perfectly able to work. He used the funds to buy games for his PS3, and that’s what he did all day long. Play his PS3.

    I wish I could actually do something besides vote once every few years. I wish the Constitution was still the law of the land. Heck, I wish that common sense and dignity existed in the American people as it once did years ago.

  • http://www.hellosuckers.net/ Martin @ hellosuckers.net

    Funny is that now he is trying to lie about his own lie adding that “we said that if the current insurer has that plan… blah blah…”

    First what’s amazing is his “we”.. we the king… we the God… and second he didn’t say that at all. So he lied again.

  • http://www.hellosuckers.net/ Martin @ hellosuckers.net

    But you know, I am still learning English ;)

  • http://www.hellosuckers.net/ Martin @ hellosuckers.net

    This is unfortunate. We need a strong leader who will have guts to cut the welfare off. I agree on providing it to those who really need it, but the rest cut it off. Otherwise we are doomed. But now 47 million of people take welfare, soon to be 50 million. It will be a lot more difficult to outvote them and when that happens it is the end of the US as we know it. Khrushchev was right that they would implement socialism in the US in small dozes without us even noticing.

  • http://www.hellosuckers.net/ Martin @ hellosuckers.net

    That’s why I admire this country – the Constitution and sense of Americans to do things right, honor the private property, be ambitious, go for your dreams and that this country offers that opportunity (unlimited).
    It is very sad seeing people forgetting these principles and I do not know how to change it.
    It is the same with wild animals. If you start feeding them with free food, they will stop hunting. Humans act the exact same way.

  • Brandon Neubert

    Administering poison by degrees…

    I vote cutting all welfare off period, simply because – where do you draw the line? Where’s the cutoff point? How do you determine who “really needs it?” And once you determine where you want to build the fence, adjustments and exceptions are made until it returns back to what it was before. People must learn to live responsibly within their means. It’s a simple mindset – if you can’t afford it, don’t buy it.

    As to those who can’t afford healthcare, I can’t afford to dig others out of their holes. I have to live within my means. I consider myself a charitable person, but once you are forced to be charitable by the government – is it still considered a charity?

  • mspatdev

    I heard the first speech in 2010, and it has been repeated ever since then. Then Monday, Nov. 4th, 2013, he comes out with the most outrageous LIE of them all, he has misspoken about obammycare. The insurances is at fault, they aren’t and everyone that gets a letter, it says “per obammycare”. obammy has made so many changes in the “ocare” after the bill was signed. This was going to be his signature piece of law. IT ISN’T, HE IS MAKING A FOOL OF HIMSELF EVERY DAY. The people are so discussed with his lies and dishonesty, that he won’t be able to regain any truth. GOOD, GOOD.

  • mspatdev

    We agree with you so very much. You keep your senses to the better. Go to the party that you are with and see if they need your help. Find out if your governor is going to fix the voting machines and have voters I.D. If they don’t have it, then try everything you can to get it. I have done a few things for the people, when I was younger and it worked. Try, Try hard. Get involved in something. Don’t become a vegie. Find work, if not volunteer somewhere. I have done that too. The other 22 is missing a great opportunity to do something else, then live the way obammy wants you to live.

  • mspatdev

    With obammy in office, we can’t do to much with the cabinet members as his socialist, muslim brothers are in OUR government. When there is someone that is a total jerk that he wants in office, then try to not get the jerk in. I have signed petitions, phone, write letters, email, fax or whatever can be done. I think my congress people and others are fed up with me, but that is ok. They aren’t doing their jobs.

  • mspatdev

    No, I think the same way as you do. But I’m not going to do charity for the government while they send billions of OUR TAX MONEY to the mid-east muslim jihard, socialist/communist. Actually, it depends on the situation.

  • mspatdev

    obammy is 1/2 WHITE and 1/2 African black.

  • mspatdev

    He read right, his aids put in ‘misspoke’, but if he wanted to tell the truth for once in his life, he could’ve take misspoke off and told the truth.

  • Cnelson

    He is lying, and Obamacare was designed to collapse our system, nudge
    here, nudge there. And I just have a hard time wrapping my head around
    the fact that people are not more outraged. What does it take to open
    people’s eyes and call for his impeachment. But then the answer to his
    replacement isn’t any better. Give us a special election for the
    Presidency, please. The vice president isn’t any better. Obama’s new
    statement as of last night proves Glenn correct. The progressives are
    now going to rewrite history, and our people may believe him (its the
    insurance companies fault). My family’s experience is this: We had a
    “Cadillac” plan last year. It was a $100 deductible, 100% paid after
    deductible met. Our employer, as well as our Insurance Co, knew they
    would have to conform to Obamacare, so the insurance company we had
    began to renegotiate with their providers on new contracts and
    plans–the insurance co. dropped the “Cadillac” plan and then we had to
    take the new plan which is now considered by many as a “Cadillac” plan
    because it still has a relatively low deductible rate of $3000 per
    family out of pocket with an HSA that rolls over (we’ll probably be
    canceled next year in the employer mandate). While we were at our
    orientation to understand the new coverage an Aflac agent was present
    and explained that down the road when Obamacare would begin the result
    would mean higher out of pocket expenses, especially cancer and other
    catastrophic hospitalization for those of us making over a certain
    amount per year. Sounds to me the agent knew what was coming. Our
    household makes too much money to get a break on any insurance offered
    in an exchange, so we will be forced out of being insured. So, tell me;
    we’re just trading one set of uninsured individuals to now become
    insured–so that the current insured can now become uninsured because
    premiums are too high? Or we all get the privilege to pay for others to
    become insured with a better plan, while we who are paying for that get
    a worse plan–meanwhile there are those who get insured on our dime
    who will go out and take more drugs, drink more alcohol, get arrested,
    and live off the rest of us. Thanx Obama.

  • Cnelson

    Hillary in 2016? Dream on, Benghazi trashed her chances big time!

  • Cnelson

    We had a great policy–$150 deductible, 100% paid after. No pre-authorizations–puts a hole in the junk policy theory doesn’t it–local insurance co had to conform to Obamacare standards to be part of the exchange–and our local doctors had to renegotiate their contracts to conform as well–that is straight from my group of doctors. And by the way . . . who are you to tell others what they should or should not have? Let’s just think of something extremely important to you, and then tell you whether or not it should or should not be? After all, we all know what is best for you, you certainly don’t, right? The Constitution guarantees the right for all of us to make our own decisions whether they be good–or bad, “period.”

  • Cnelson

    “4) Those who have had these policies cancelled will be able to get much better coverage at fair prices through exchanges.”

    Have you been watching ALL the news outlets and read newspapers lately? The rates are rising significantly under the exchanges. That’s fair pricing? I think you’ve got rose colored glasses on and believing hook-line-and-sinker that the facts given out by the Obama administration to be true, that you’ve left your common sense somewhere along the way.

  • http://www.absoluteintensity.com dennis reilly

    but I lost my plan N.Y. Times, can I have the Times plan, because that paper is sooooo compassionate

  • Alaina Tonelli

    What about Feinstein. She said he meant that you could keep your plan until Obsmacare started. We all just misunderstood.

  • Anonymous

    let’s not forget you’re talking about +15 million PEOPLE – not some statistic- that are getting thrown off a cliff. Where’s your empathy? MOREOVER, who the hell are you to judge the Americans among us who were responsible enough to actually have some some coverage versus using emergency rooms that cause everyone’s rates to go up or just plain sucking off the government teat? One can only assume you’re sitting pretty with a employer provided policy. You make me ill.

  • Anonymous

    I once “misspoke” when I told a young woman that I was a member of the “Pink Floyd” road crew to gain favors with her! Why, was that wrong?

  • Cnelson

    There is nothing wrong with wanting people who are uninsured to have insurance. Obamacare just isn’t the way to do it. It is flawed, as we are seeing now. What is wrong with admitting that this is so, and move on so that it can be fixed to benefit everyone–to something that won’t burden ANYONE unduly? Take the good parts of the law and keep it, trash the bad and replace with better. Is the investment in this President so unwavering that his supporters cannot admit that he may be just as fallible as any other human being can be? To his supporters, in other words: If the President was standing on the deck of a ship with you, and you noticed a hole in the ship and it was sinking, you know it is sinking because the water has moved from your feet to above your knees. You’re looking at the President standing on the same deck as yourself, and you can see that the water is above his knees as well. The President knows the ship is sinking, you know he does, because he is inching toward a lifeboat that he believes will hold only one person, and he believes he can free the boat himself. But the lifeboat does hold two, and it is too heavy for just one person to free. You know this to be so as the safety drill you attended gave you that information. The President wishes to save himself,so he is telling you that you don’t see the hole, there is nothing wrong with the ship, and you’re just as dry as he is. He didn’t attend the safety drill, so he doesn’t realize the lifeboat will hold two, and it is too heavy for one person to free. You know he is wrong, you want to tell him he is wrong. So, here is the question, do you love the President so much that you would forsake your well being–your life–even his–because you don’t want to do what is best for the President which is not enabling him by agreeing with him at all cost, but instead making the hard decision to let him know that he is in error. Two will fit in the boat, and he and you must work together to get it free from the ship in order to save yourselves?

    First time out-of-the-gate at trying something new is rarely flawless. It takes time, error, trying at it again to get fair and good results–there is no shame in admitting when one is wrong. It’s what makes Americans different, to keep trying to do better. To stubbornly stay fixed on something that doesn’t work benefits no one.

  • Wayne Pettit

    I got a great idea, how about when we do wrong we they the judge, I misspead, I misshot, I misstole, I did not kill that person while driving under the influence, I misinfluence. A LIE IS A LIE. I have no respect for this fool of a president, I know he is our president and I gave him a fair chance, as I would have never voted for him. He is a loser.

  • http://AOL.com Carroll Franklin Casey

    You don’t mis-speak for 3 to 4 consecutive years with the entire White House Staff cheering on your every word.

  • Ginny Rebyak

    It is the NYT. Speaks for itself. Yet the keep sending me mail to subscribe. No well in hell! It’s frustrating as is that our only major newspaper in my state is so liberal it is disgusting!

  • http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay

    One of the greatest deceptions America has ever seen and there will be zero consequences on Obama. He’ll blame someone else for his ‘misspeaking’ and whistle off into the sunset. It all makes me sick.

  • Red47

    Misspoke. Over and over. And over again. Misspoke. They think we are stupid. Apparently, a lot of us are.

  • willijo

    He lies to cover up the other lies he has spewed out over his last two terms in office. Pathetic!

  • Guest

    Yes, the private insurance companies have been getting away with murder for years which is WHY we needed health care insurance reform.

    The lady with cancer can now get better insurance for less money and NOW her pre-existing condition will not stop her from getting another policy.

    So much misinformation about the ACA, so little time to address it all. The LAST person to believe about ANYTHING is Glenn Beck, pathological liar.

  • Guest

    You’re writing about Beck’s cultist followers, right? No group in American are more irrational than people like you.

  • Anonymous

    If I “misspoke” like that as a kid . . . my mother would have gotten out the Fells Napa soap and done an number on my molars . . . I would have tasted that till the next election . .. as he should . . .

  • Guest

    These policies that are being dropped are called “junk policies.” They are virtually worthless and now illegal. In most cases, the people can get better insurance for less or the same amount of money.

    Obama should not have talked about the 5% of people who do not get insurance from work. 95% of Americans can keep their policies, and the rest of the policies are JUNK!

    Beck won’t convey the truth about this.

  • The Truth

    PinocchiObama

  • JonL

    Gadamer Too, don’t start your crap with me. I know better by my own experience. The lady with cancer can NOT get insurance for less money. Obamacare has hijacked health insurance and raped the American people of their insurance.

    My mother has cancer, and we are currently going through hell with this Obamacare crap. Furthermore, because of Obamacare, my insurance premium has doubled.

    YOU are a liar to defend this president, his lies, and his fraudulent healthcare scam.

  • Anonymous

    So will you.

  • Anonymous

    He is now insisting he never made any such promise. I guess he had a stand-in look-alike doing all his talking for him.

  • Anonymous

    Enjoying your Kool-Aid?

  • JonL

    I’ll have you know my policy wasn’t junk. And stop telling people they can get better insurance for less money. Any fool can go to the obamacare website and see that the policy choices we now have under his new scam are outrageously priced premiums and crappy coverage. Why don’t YOU try the truth!

    Go back to the MSNSC or CNN website discussions with your own kind.

  • Anonymous

    Love that Kool-Aid?

  • Tina Garrell

    The only way to fix all of the problems that Obama har created. Is that the military take him out for treasonous crimes. Put him in jail for all he has done. Take all of his money leave him with one penny. Then all the money he has sent to the terrorists make sure that not one more Muslim gets into America cut off the gates of entering the United States. If you want to come to the USA. You have to be investigated by the military. This is what it must come to now. And to all the foreigners that are here have to be under a severe investigation. And don’t let anyone else into America unless you have these investigations. He has lied since day one. If we don’t start doing things like this our country will be taken over by terrorist that have in their plans to kill all Americans. Then put a General in charge of running America until our great nation is back to where it should be. And all the damage that he he has done to the Constitution must be revoked. And put it back to the way it was. Then we have to make new laws that the American people have to approve before it is law. Make the government be one party. The party for America. Get rid of all of these these people that are not in compliance with the American people . And put in to place the order that abides for which this country was founded. George Washington once said you cannot govern a nation with out God and prayers. We need to go back to prayers taught in schools. We are the Christian country. And we should teach the Bible in schools. And if you are from a different religion then to bad. I’m tired of people being so down on Christians and Catholic believes. This country was founded on Christian beliefs. So get over it if you don’t like our beliefs then get out of America. We can no longer try to satisfy every person on Earth. We are in the times when we must be extremely careful. If other people have their way we want have the right to pray at all. These people are here now and they will not stop until America is destroyed and it want be long.

  • Valerie Nagle

    I don’t know who first said this, but I want to say it to all those liars in DC: “Put your money where your mouth is” and also this: “Honesty is the BEST policy” you can deceive some of the people some of the time, but you can’t deceive all the people all the time. But the most important quote I urge you to take to heart is: “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.” You sow lies, deception and worse, you will reap the same.

  • http://www.hellosuckers.net/ Martin @ hellosuckers.net

    Agreed. This treason called a foreign aid must be stopped immediately. Do not send money to anybody. If Muslims want to hate us they can do it for free.

  • http://www.hellosuckers.net/ Martin @ hellosuckers.net

    I did the same thing, I held several talks in schools and meetings organized by our local republican organization (not that I agree with everything they do, but they are closer to me than the Rats) and yet I am very disappointed that nothing has ever happened. For example the voter fraud, forged birth certificate, Benghazi, and now the Obama(doesn’t)care fiasco and just pure lies. Nixon was impeached for a lot less than what Obozo has done in the office and nothing has happened.

  • David Elliott

    Most of the policies being cancelled are nice and cheap but have ridiculously high deductibles and ridiculously low limits. They have given people a false sense of security because they provide practically no coverage at all. Insurance that actually means something is going to cost more, no doubt. I’ve looked at the prices on my home state exchange, and they are lower across the board than prices offered directly by insurance companies. So yes, that’s fair pricing.

  • David Elliott

    Before using big three-syllable words, you ought to figure out what they actually mean.

  • David Elliott

    “Getting thrown off the cliff”? Are you always this dramatic? The people holding these junk policies may have thought they were being responsible, but they would have been in for a rude surprise if they ever ran into a serious injury or accident. I DO have empathy for them, because the insurance companies hoodwinked them into buying cheap worthless policies. And just so you know, I pay $1,243 a month out-of-pocket for health insurance for my wife and me. I’m not ecstatic about that, but I KNOW I have excellent coverage.

  • SterlingK

    ObamacareInANutshell… Where I work there are mobile vendors that sell hamburgers and hot dogs during our lunch hour. They pay our leasing company a small fee to set up their stands in our parking lot. Imagine one day, the leasing company (govt) tells the vendors (insurance companies) they can no longer sell individual items, but instead must only sell combo meals with either a Deluxe burger or a Chicago-style hot dog. The vendors make the necessary adjustment and price their meals accordingly. While a few patrons are fine with the change, many are upset because they are now forced to buy food and toppings they don’t want or need. These customers start looking for other lunch alternatives–some opt to skip lunch altogether. Meanwhile, the leasing company sets up their own food stand in the very same parking lot as the vendors and offers combo meals for far less by subsidizing their costs. Unable to compete, some vendors start to pack up and leave. The leasing company, who still can’t quite figure out their own cart, shrugs these vendors off as “substandard” and those who can no longer buy what they wanted as “just a sliver” of the lunch crowd.

    This is exactly what’s happening with the federal exchange and our insurance companies and it will lead to an inefficient and unaffordable single provider system. #Obamanalogies

  • Carol

    He misspoke multiple times? He’s a liar!

  • David Elliott

    You haven’t provided enough information to convince us that you had “a great policy” that is being undermined by the ACA. What were your monthly premiums under the old policy? What will your new premiums be? Did you have any major claims? Are you fairly young or fairly old? Etc. When people bought junk policies that didn’t cover major accidents or illnesses, I paid for their health care through higher taxes and premiums, because they got treated despite their crappy insurance. So that’s who I am to tell them what they should have.

  • JonL

    Bull shit.

  • David Elliott

    Nice and thoughtful response, Jon.

  • Deb

    Can U say BS….tonz of it! Like we don’t have memories? Get a grip or be impeached sir! Crap on dat!

  • Guest

    No, I’m writing about Victor Tiffany, Ithaca, New York, failed OCCUPOOPER and Communist.

  • Anonymous

    dramatic? “thrown off a cliff” is a pretty passé idiom. you’re the one that sounds hysterical. and your attitude is hubristic at best. reminds me of someone……….

  • V the K

    Remember when the New York Times gave Bush a pass because he “misspoke” about WMD in Iraq? Neither do I.

  • Anonymous

    You’re right. Anyone dumb enough to argue what is now obvious to even the most die hard liberals in the left wing media is living on a planet far, far from earth. Now, there is a new study by Christopher Conover of Duke University out that shows that 129,000,000 people will not be able to keep their insurance. Of those, more than 50,000,000 will lose all health insurance, as they will not be eligible for help under government requirements. Prices, on average will go up by at least 41% across the board on the individual market.
    Isn’t it great that we did all of this to cover people who didn’t have coverage? Too bad there’s now MORE who will not have any health insurance at all, and costs are going to skyrocket higher than they have ever been while access to healthcare will plummet as well as quality. Yet, we still have these blind geniuses trying to argue that no one is going to be without insurance.
    I received the letter from my insurance company. Just to switch to a new plan that has a higher out of pocket expense for my family is now going to cost 104% more than what we were paying previously. But, hey, according to the blind rectal orifice lickers Obama counts as his true devotees, my costs actually went down and I now have REAL insurance. Funny thing, but I chose the plan I wanted before, and I never asked for a dime of government help to pay for anything. I guess what that actually means is that there is no real insurance unless it’s an unmitigated disaster overseen by the government. Now THAT is truly what a liberal would consider successful.

  • Anonymous

    You’re a fool. Only a fool could fail to listen to the millions of people now reporting that they have been thrown off and the replacements are ridiculously expensive. These are not anecdotes, they are fact. We know that the president has been saying that there are no people losing their insurance. Yet, we know that there are millions who are not only being switched into astronomically more expensive and inferior insurance plans, but due to those costs, there are MORE who will not be able to afford insurance.
    Yesterday, a new study was released, not from the Tea Party or the Heritage Foundation, from Dr. Christopher Conover of Duke University. I’m assuming you’ve heard of Duke University…you know, part of the research triangle…never mind. The study shows that more than 129,000,000 people will be displaced by next year and the number will grow by the end of October next year when the employer mandate kicks in. Of those, 50,000,000 will NOT be able to afford replacement insurance due to skyrocketing costs. They do not qualify for any government subsidies. No one is paying less. The MINIMUM each plan will increase is 41% and the insurance will be, in most cases, inferior to the plans previously held by those displaced.
    How about this. How about you provide me with specific examples of those who are being thrown off their insurance SAVING money on the replacement. It can’t be done because NO ONE is seeing decreasing costs. The only population that will experience this are the ones who are already eligible for Medicaid. Don’t sit there trying to tell me that my plan was junk. I know exactly how good my plan was. I’ve not only used it, I’m a doctor. I understand insurance very well and what you’re describing is naiveté to the point of idiocy. And by the way, my deductibles, my premiums and my out-of-pocket maximums are higher while the benefits are significantly worse for the 104% increase I was slapped with. Of course, I could have gone to the next level for only 312% higher premiums. Of course, I’m sure that if I were a liberal, a 312% positive increase in costs would actually mean I’m saving money.
    You’re great at droning on and on using the president’s talking points, but those are nothing but lies. Only an uneducated, smug acolyte of the left could possibly think that all of this criticism is just the Tea Party interfering with what is a legitimate program.

  • Anonymous

    That’s Gadamer. You have to love that waste of good carbon atoms. He often answers himself as “Guest”. The guy has a sick preoccupation with Glenn Beck. He not only never bothers with fact, preferring instead to call names, he has repeatedly lied about things so small and ridiculous that it’s obvious that this is his lifestyle choice. He can no longer tell fiction from fact as he always chooses to lie even about things that don’t matter.

  • Bill Robison

    This so called NON-AMERICAN Communist president has truly LIED. Every word that spews from his mouth is spoken with a forked tounge and HE actually believes it.
    the FAT CATS (the Insurance companies) that always raise rates and then REFUSE to pay anything by saying that they will not pay due to the to the fact of a “PRE-EXISTING” illness. This is against the law ethically and spiritually, but by this they still do and use this statement to line their own pockets.
    It is time to make a change. Remember this tyranny is what our FOREFATHERS left England for to be FREE WILLED and make our country great.
    REMEMBER “VOTE” we can change this mess before it is too late.
    We need to vote them all out and go back to the way our Founding Fathers envisioned this country and how they wanted tyo BE FREE>

  • Guest

    If it wasn’t junk, if it were up to the new standards, they would not have cancelled it. Either that, or you’re just being ripped off by your insurance company, a standard tactic.

    I doubt you even got on the exchange website because most reports from unbiased reports indicate very competitive pricing.

    You want me to go away because YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

    You do understand, do you not, that Beckerheads are childish clowns. Only one category of Americans do not understand this: the childish Beckerheads.

  • Guest

    …asked the clueless fan of Glenn Beck: professional liar and corporate fascist.

  • Todd Lawson

    It appears David Elliot will need ACA dictated denial insurance… As a licensed medial professional, this is my DX. Too bad there is no knuckle dragging ACA mandated insurance for denial Dave.

  • Cnelson

    Sooo, under Obamacare not much has changed for you; instead of paying higher taxes (wait, you’ll still pay higher taxes just to fund this thing) and higher premiums just so those who are uninsured can become insured; and NOW for those who were insured but are now going to be uninsured (those with good policies along with those that don’t need anything but catastrophic insurance; not much has changed there either, because the new policies have such a high out-of-pocket deductible the emergency visit won’t be paid)–makes a lot of sense. I’m older, had major claims, employer based; no premiums. Don’t you get it? Our employer had to conform to the new regulations coming with Obamacare (another round of those losing insurance next year) as well as the insurance company. Our employer didn’t want to do so, and our insurance company wanted to stay in business. The employer had to or “Pay” the consequences for having too good of insurance provided to their employees. How does that make sense? On second thought don’t answer that, because it doesn’t matter if reality is staring you right in the face. It’s like I said–you’ll go down with the ship just because Obama tells you it isn’t sinking. Oh, and just a parting word, the insurance in the exchange is still “crappy” by your definition. Not convinced? It’s so “crappy” as you put it, that Congress and Obama has exempted themselves. And unlike the lemmings that follow each other over the cliff, yes supposedly as dramatic as that idiom is, I’m not going to post detailed information on the computer just to prove you wrong. I don’t have to prove my statements, events are proving it.

  • Guest

    His “fraudulent,” corporate healthcare “scam” is better than the Republican alternative: HURRY UP AND DIE!

  • Anonymous

    We should list the other mental-midgets who helped Obama set up this far left socialist attempt to collapse the American medical industry. One of these radical followers of communist philosophy goes by the name of Valerie Jarrett. Frank Marshall Davis is another writer and backer of the communist-philosophy. He also was the mentor and father figure to Barack Obama. Our current President has been very carefully nurtured and enabled to reach this highest public office in America. Now…after five years in office..the whole shell-game, which was initiated by the Democrat party… is literally disintegrating in front of our eyes. When the President has lost the trust of the American citizens he has lost the power of his office. The next three years are going to be very painful to watch.

  • greywolfrs

    Hey, it’s vicki tiffany the coward. So, someone buying a policy that covers what THEY feel they need makes it a junk policy. You are so full of shit, it’s coming out of your ears.

  • greywolfrs

    You wouldn’t know thw truth if it walked up, kicked you between the legs and gave you a fat lip. I love how you call people childish, as you use the term beckerheads. You are one dumb M F er, vicki tiffany the coward.

  • greywolfrs

    Another lie, which you are quite good at, since that is all you do, vicki tiffany the coward. The Republicans have had a plan since nthis whole thing began. It can be found at the Republican website. Nevermind that though, that doesn’t fit into your stupid left wing talking points, dunce.

  • greywolfrs

    What are they going to gain? These Obamaobots WANT single-payer and realize that this is the way to collapse the health insurance industry. When that5 happens, the Feds will have another “health care crisis” to deal with. The solution will be to go to a single-payer…

  • Cnelson

    And so you can’t have a civil conversation without calling people names. Who’s childish?

  • greywolfrs

    Billary? And you complain about the Republicans being FOR corporations? You are one dumb M F er. Any relation to vicki tiffany the coward?

  • greywolfrs

    Except your made-up numbers are B S. It’s far more than 1% who are being cancelled. They were junk policies because they were what people wanted? Oh, my bad, you are another left wing dolt that thinks the government KNOWS better. Moron.

  • greywolfrs

    About as dramatic as you bleeding hearts who believe taking from one group of people to give to another is a good idea. Dolt.

  • greywolfrs

    You would have to have a job and pay taxes before you paid for anything. On another note, you are still paying for those people, as the Feds are giving subsidies to people who can not afford the premiums. Dumbass.

  • Guest

    Hmmm, another master of smear writes a deceitful comment about me. Fact: I’m a progressive that supports a mixed economy, NOT communism. So why does “Gues” lie about me? Probably because I spent three years exposing his hero, GB, as a liar, hypocrite and charlatan.

    Some people just can’t handle the truth, so they smear and assassinate character of the truth-tellers.

  • greywolfrs

    Hey stupid, it’s already up to 5%, so I guess that blows your stupidity out of the water. You are one dumb M F er. Any relation to vicki tiffany the coward.

  • Cnelson

    I don’t think there is much argument that both parties are not in much favor. Oust most of them, and start over with ethical constitutionalists. Demand that house and congress have these positions as second jobs, and they go home and spend most of their work in government with their constituents. Technology has reached the point where they don’t always have to gather together like years gone by. It’s time to put the power back where it belongs. To those who hired them in the first place.

  • greywolfrs

    Pot meet kettle, dunce.

  • greywolfrs

    You lie, Blue Shield is a non-profit. Saying they are ALL for profit is a an out right lie.

  • greywolfrs

    I would have to disagree with that. The moment Obamao admitted to ordering a drone strike on two people who held US citizenship is the moment he crossed the line. Whether anyone likes it or not, Al-Awaki and his son held US citizenship. Obamao ordered a drone strike on them, with NO chance of being captured. Those guys had rights and one of those rights was due process.

  • David Elliott

    That’s what you were saying four years ago.

  • Guest

    Name one “lie,” so I can mock you for your stupidity.

    Let’s start with your being a fan of the professional liar, Glenn Beck. Why do you have your panties in a bunch about my supposed “lies” while you ignore and accept one false claim after another from Glenn Beck?

    Double standards? Much.

  • David Elliott

    Todd, sounds like you could use some good medial attention. :)

  • David Elliott

    Since I don’t make more than $250,000 a year, I won’t be paying any additional for those subsidies. Nice try, though. (Also, when you have to resort to name-calling to support your position, well, you know . . .)

  • David Elliott

    As I mention above, I won’t be paying higher taxes because I don’t make more than $250,000 per year. And actually, what I pay out-of-pocket for health insurance will drop from $1,243 to $925 per month in 2014 because I now have four HMOs to choose from, where there were none before this year. I’m so sorry that I won’t be suffering under Obamacare. I know that would have made you so happy.

  • Anonymous

    Geez, these reporters are pussies. Not to put too fine a point on it! So, does he still get 4 Pinocchio’s? or is it only 3? I can’t keep up with all the retractions and cover ups

  • Anonymous

    You’ve hit the nail on the head. The answer to the chaos created by Obama is to unite all of the exchanges under a single payer system. This is not incompetence. It’s part of the plan.

  • Anonymous

    Really? Supposed? I keep waiting for your promised reference to Martin Bashir’s video that you watched “live”. Everything you ever post is little more than name calling without a shred of fact, but long on narcissism. I have news for you. Referring people to your website as evidence of whatever moronic crusade you’re on at the moment is NOT evidence. But hey, if it happens in your mind, you think you have a clue. And you’re still a waste of carbon atoms.

  • Guest

    You live in a media bubble. Only the right gives a shit about what happened in the aftermath of the Benghazi attack. Hell, Bush let 9-11 happen, and he got re-elected. Remember everything he did to stop 9-11 from happening?

    Neither do I.

  • Alan Robert Springfield

    I agree. Mantra is actually all they ever had! Empty words, flowery speeches, all to deceive the niave, partisans as well as youthful people. I am proud to say I never voted for this President!

  • bob
  • David Elliott

    Here’s what you’re conveniently leaving out: 1) There was no “study” out of Duke University. Conover did NOT make those statements in his capacity as a research fellow at Duke; he made them in his capacity as a columnist for Forbes. 2) Conover also works at the American Enterprise Institute, which is farther right than the Heritage Foundation. 3) Economists at places like Business Insider regularly criticize Conover’s reports at Forbes as false and naive.

    His numbers that you cited above are highly speculative and inflammatory. And your interpretation of them is even worse. Besides, all he’s really saying initially is that a lot of people may not have the same insurance coverage they’ve had before. Well, duh. Anyway, there’s a new statement out by Dr. John McDonough of Harvard University. I’m assuming you’ve heard of Harvard University . . . you know, one of the nine major research universities in the Boston area . . . never mind. This statement says that although there will be winners and losers under the ACA, the vast majority of people come out ahead.

    Hard to believe a doctor like you would have such limited critical thinking skills.

  • greywolfrs

    Wrong, it’s time for the Feds to stay out of things that do not concern them. That is the plan, but hey, keep pushing that single-payer system and see what happens. I assure you that it will NOT turn out well for you.

  • greywolfrs

    Hey stupid, did you forget about the 3% tax on buying and selling a house? You do not want to acknowledge that rates MUST go up to cover the pre-existing conditions. Nevermind that though, that doesn’t fit into your stupidity.

    By the way, I just call a spade a spade. You are a moron.

  • R90

    He never misspoke, he bold faced lied to the people. He knew it, the Dem Congress knew it, and the media continues the lie and protect him. They all should be scorn and publicly ridiculed.

  • David Elliott

    Actually, it’s 3.8 percent. But since I’m not going to be selling my house and I don’t make more than $250,000 a year, I still won’t be paying any additional in taxes for those subsidies. Nice try again, though. (And, hey, I’m really trying to help you out here. Name-calling just makes a weak argument that much weaker.)

  • Guest

    On October 28, CBS News ran a story about Dianne Barrette, a Florida woman whose health insurance company informed her that her policy was being cancelled because of Obamacare, and who thought she was now forced to purchase much more expensive insurance on the new exchanges.

    But as other outlets—including Fox News!—soon revealed, the CBS story was extremely misleading. Ms. Barrette’s old health insurance plan was very limited. Consumer Reports even called it “a textbook example of a junk plan that isn’t real health insurance at all.” Further, she now qualifies for subsidies under Obamacare that will help her buy much better insurance at low cost.

    Dianne Barrette—who CBS and even RNC Chair Reince Prebius used to make Obamacare look as bad as possible—now admits the law is “maybe a blessing in disguise.”

    Of course, you’ll NEVER get the truth from Glenn Beck.

  • Darkwing Dragon

    misspoke, lie, SAME DAMN THING! saying he “misspoke” is just a political way of trying to make the word “lie” sound less incriminating. I lie is a lie no matter how you say it.

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ Gadamer too

    How come you don’t give a crap about the thousands of people who have gotten cancellation notices from their insurance companies for years and years to having gotten too sick?

    Fact is, 95% of Americans can and will keep their ins. policies. Most of those who are getting cancellation notices can get better ins. on the exchanges for about the same price, depending on whether they qualify for subsidies or not.

    More to the point: how come you don’t complain when Glenn Beck makes false claims? He does a lot. Every day. Oh, you WANT to believe the utter nonsense that Beck spews, so you don’t bother fact-checking him. I see.

  • Guest

    But Glenn Beck’s far more voluminous lies are OK with you.

    Double standards much?

  • Michael

    BUSH knew the WMDs were no longer in Iraq.
    If he was concerned about WMDs, why didn’t he invade Syria?

  • Michael

    I think you are confusing the coalition from the first BUSH war, which was justified, with the coalition of son Bush.

  • JonL

    Gad, you’re so eager to defend Obamacare that you’re responding to comments Darkwing didn’t even post here. He commented only about Obama being a liar. And you’re response is a defense rant on Obamacare.

    And we all get that you’re on a crusade against Beck and the bad ol’ Beckerheads. Please, give it a rest already.

    But my, how hypocritical it is of you to call Beck a liar, yet say nothing of your precious anointed one (Obama). Let’s see…how come YOU don’t complain when Obama makes false claims, or outright lies? Oh, wait, you actually BELEIVE what he says. So, you don’t bother fact-checking him. I see.

  • Joe Misuraca

    “We have to pass it to find out what’s in it”

    That’s the definition of a stool sample.

    That about sums it up.

  • JonL

    1) Fairy tale. It’s already more than one percent.
    2) Exactly – “substandard under ACA guidelines”. So, because Obama says they are substandard, it must be so? For the hundredth time…I have a good policy. I like my plan. Only under ACA guidelines did my premium double. And these policies were “nearly worthless” according to whom? Consumer Reports? (LOL). (I read the stupid article…nothing but an infomercial for Obamacare.)
    3) Many insurance companies were forced to cancel policies because they could not afford to pay for Obamacare.
    4) Bull shit

  • JonL

    “Fair pricing?” Is socialized medicine worth it? We’ll see.

  • JonL

    Well, no wonder Dianne is singing the praises…she qualifies for subsidies. So she’s getting a cheap health care plan. Now, what about the rest of us? That doesn’t work for me. My premium doubled under Obamacare.

  • JonL

    That example is way to easy to understand. It’s over the lefties’ heads, they’ll never get it.

  • Anonymous

    Blue Cross @ Blue Shield private medical-insurance is what President Obama has. (Obviously he is NOT covered by Obamacare !) Do you think that a scam being run like this in the White House would tend to…ahem !…irritate the American Public ?!

  • JonL

    Gad, even if Beck were the pathological liar you say he is, there is one critical difference: Obama is leader of the free world, the president. Beck is a talk show host. Now, whose lies are weightier on our nation?

  • Anonymous

    I have had a theory for several years about Obama Care. They desperately want the Department of Health and Human Services to be the single payer because the health insurance companies collectively have hundreds of billions of dollars in catastrophic reserve accounts that the Federal Government could then seize. They would say “Since we are assuming all the risks, we have a right to those funds.” Then, they would have the most massive free-for-all spending party of all time. They certainly aren’t wise enough to just keep the funds in reserve in case of an epidemic. They would parcel it out to sitting Democrat congress members to buy votes and influence. If we did have an epidemic or plague, they would just print or borrow the funds. If you want proof, look what the states did with the tobacco settlement funds. How much of it was spent on stop smoking programs or health care for tobacco users?

  • nutt

    If you’re going to accuse somebody of making a fool of himself, you might want to tighten up on your grip of the English language. You might also consider calming down a tad before bashing your keyboard.

  • greywolfrs

    One lie? Here’s one, you claim that I followed Glenn’s prediction on a Romney win, except I said on this very site that Romney would lose. You make shit up and lie, constantly, vicki tiffany the coward.

  • greywolfrs

    So, the middle class people who do buy or sell a home are not going to have to pay that tax? I guess you are too stupid to realize what Obamao said and that alone disproves your stupidity.

  • David Elliott

    Yes, that’s correct: Middle class people will not have to pay the 3.8 percent tax. First, a couple would have make more than $250,000 per year (filing jointly) to be subject to the tax. And on top of that, the capital gain on the sale would have to exceed $500,000 (again for those filing jointly) before the tax would kick in. So lot of upper class folks making more than $250,000 will not have to pay the tax either.

  • greywolfrs

    So, you believe what Obamao and the Democraps say is “rich enough to afford it” and believe they have the right to impose this tax to give to someone else.

    Where exactly does it say the government has that right? It surely is NOT the Constitution, you know, the whole basis of this country.

    Can you also point out where in the Constitution it says that the Federal government has the right to play Robin Hood?

    You left wing idiots are astounding. You have the nerve to complain about Republicans wanting to dictate morality to you, through religion or anything else. As you attempt to dictate morality through social programs.

    In the end, you are no better than the Republicans you hate and are too stupid to see it.

    Why don’t you go play a game of hide and go fuck yourself, dipshit.

  • JonL

    For all of you libs and Obama servants who jumped on the bandwagon to blame those bad ol’ insurance companies for canceling people’s insurance policies, take a look at this.

    It is now being confirmed that, at least in California thus far, insurance companies were contractually required to cancel “non-compliant policies.”

  • Raymond E Verhoeven

    Even with bad spelling, and grammar, I understand it and agree.

  • Anonymous

    I think I love you.

  • David Elliott

    Without name-calling or profanity, I just pointed out how you completely misstated the effects of the 3.8 percent tax on real estate sales. You could have wisely just kept your mouth shut, but instead you completely changed the subject, spouted some constitutionalist gibberish, and continued with the name-calling and profanity. I’m new here. Is your behavior typical of the level of discourse on this site?

  • JonL

    “constitutionalist gibberish,” ‘eh?

    Your own choice of words speaks volumes about yourself, there, sir. May I point you back to your own advice and say you could have wisely just kept your mouth shut. Instead, you just lost any credibility you might have had with me.

    As a concerned citizen and patriotic American, I value the principles for which that U.S. Constitution represents.

  • ValueSet

    Miss Spoke is Obama’s speech writer. LMAO

  • Anonymous

    You are one sanctimonious S.O.B.

    There’s way more wrong with ACA than whether X insurance is better than Y. Or who wants to think for themselves and do as they please even if doing so were not to be in their best interest, or yours. We ain’t even talked about the IRS running the whole shebang. Know anything about figures out on the EIC regarding a 23-28% overpayment error rate? Know about the documented billions in fraud and waste in Medicare and Medicaid? Now just what you think gonna happen to those ACA subsidies? You’re a smart guy, do your homework, think past your own f’in nose, and I think you can find some bipartisan NGOs to fill you in. If you do need help though, I’ll toss you one. See – it’s easy to be an A-hole.

  • Ohio Land Man

    bullshit…

  • WASP

    Do you have a tip jar every time a “that guy” ARTICLE pops up ? I’m dry heaving here.

  • David Elliott

    With all the hate-filled vitriol that gets spewed around here, you’re going take offense at “constitutionalist gibberish”? Really? Whatever. Setting that aside, though (because arguing the constitutionality of welfare isn’t going to get us anywhere), how was my characterization of greywolfrs’s comment inaccurate? Unlike him, at least you keep the profanity to a minimum and try to stay on point most of the time. I’ll hand you that.

  • David Elliott

    Read slkgej6′s comment and my reply, then tell me who’s a sanctimonious SOB. Cut IRS staffing by 20 percent, and you’re going to see enforcement problems as with the EITC overpayments.

  • mspatdev

    My english is a heck of a lot better then yours. You sound like a far-left pessimist.

  • mspatdev

    I think that the reason nothing is being done is that obammy is the ruler of all of congress and nothing good is coming out. He rules with dishonest, fraud, threatens people to keep quite or loose your jobs or your family will be killed. He doesn’t care about the people. He out to destroy the USA out and inside of the USA. He even tells the public ‘I love to kill people’. Now how is that for the dictator of the w/h. He wants a single payer socialist system. So he can rule the USA and the world. He has gone in and changed the Constitution, Amendments, Articles and other things in the government. When a law is passed and he throws his fit, he goes in and changes it to something worse. He has done about a 1000, presidential executive changes. Anyone that wants a job, has to join the union. I hope the people that voted for him is very pleased, because the rest of us has to suffer through it all and we don’t like what is going on.

  • CNelson

    First of all, it is great that you’ve had more choices and a lower premium. The key word here is “choice” and you’re satisfied with it, I hope. And contrary to what might be believed from my past conversation–I do not wish for you to suffer. And that is just the point. I don’t wish ANYONE to be suffering under ACA when it could have so much potential to be a good thing if properly implemented with others’ needs met–other than those already uninsured. Rush to implement under a leader that did at least mislead the people allowed a perhaps unintended consequence of leaving people out of their functional health care and leaving them in possibly a delicate predicament, even a life threatening one. Honesty from the beginning might have gotten people to move their insurance companies and doctors to a situation where they could’ve been ahead of “the eight ball” and have a smoother transition without jeopardizing their health. As one that has lived through many presidents, I have gained wisdom to know that that lower premium you’re paying now is probably great for you, but there is no guarantee as this ACA gets running in two or so years that premiums won’t skyrocket due to unforeseen costs of carrying on business. And also, that promise of not taxing those making under $250,000 per year is not a guarantee either. Many promises have broken in our government historically. This one is not going to be any different. Those of us ringing the bell to please be aware that this may happen, have been there–done that, and want those not aware to take steps to protect and not be downhearted if what they dream of doesn’t come to pass. And here I must say–It is clear to me that you and I may not agree on this topic–so I will agree to disagree with you. Thank you for the good debate. And now it’s time to move on . . . .

  • nutt

    Really? You hide the proof very well, in that case.

  • David Elliott

    Thanks for your thoughtful and respectful reply.

  • David Elliott

    Thanks for your thoughtful and respectful reply.

  • Guest

    I’ve called Obama a liar, so take your claim and SHOVE it! All presidents lie, but Beck is a professional liar.

    Time to climb down off your high rocking horse little boi.

  • Guest

    Try getting a job.

  • http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ Gadamer too

    If you were leaving your comment un-deleted, I could find where you called me names and prove your utter and shameless hypocrisy. Fact is, Beckerhead ARE childish clowns. You, Todd Scheller and a handful of other flame warriors prove that every day. Greywolfrs proves that when he calls Victor “vicki.”

    Time for you to climb down off your high rocking horse little boi.

  • Anonymous

    I always love it when someone tries to BS their way through an argument. First off, there are no recent studies published by Dr. John McDonough of Harvard University that address Obamacare. There are statements he’s made to the press in response to Christopher Conover’s studies, but he has NOT published anything on the implementation of the law other than a retrospective book about being a lawmaker during the implementation of the Massachusetts healthcare policy. His most recent publication was regarding the Massachusetts healthcare laws, NOT Obamacare (The new era of payment reform, spending targets, and cost containment in Massachusetts: early lessons for the nation.) Prior to that, he was one of the architects of Obamacare and therefore, has a vested interest in defending what has turned out to be a fiasco. His doctoral degree is in public health. Unfortunately, that field is rife with those who have dedicated their lives to the furthering of governmental influence over private sector healthcare and his most recent projects demonstrate an ultra liberal bias that discounts the secondary and tertiary effects of governmental implementation of healthcare policy as insignificant and therefore, unworthy of consideration in light of the “goal” of codification of liberal policy through law. In other words, he does not consider the economic consequences of Obamacare a factor to be considered in the efficacy of the implementation of that policy. However, he has written extensively in three papers that, while praising the implementation of Massachusetts health policy, he admits that costs have skyrocketed out of control. He just doesn’t think it is a significant factor.
    Second, you haven’t read a single word of Christopher Conover’s research, so please, stop trying to convince anyone you have. If you had, you could make an argument based on something other than the liberal press’s talking points in response to Megyn Kelly’s citing of the study and interview with Dr. Conover. If you have a problem with the actual research, then prove that you know what you’re talking about and address the research on the merits, not on your political views. And, so far as Dr. Conover being regularly criticized by Business Insider “economists”, how about you provide some evidence of that?
    Third, the study that was done by Christopher Conover was an update of research he first performed in 2004, updated in 2008, and further updated in 2012 based on the Obama administrations numbers that were provided in 2009 and 2010 following the gradated implementation of Obamacare. That study was performed in his capacity of a research professor with the Center for Health Policy, Law and Management in the Terry Sanford Institute of Public Policy at Duke University. The latest study was funded from a grant from the American Enterprise Institute. However, his work IS done under the auspices of the Duke University Center for Health Policy and Inequalities Research, which is a division of the Duke Global Health Institute. And yes, his research IS listed on the CHPIR website.
    AEI has been around since 1938. Unlike your information sources, they do not take positions on public policy and counts as many of it’s most senior positions, liberal scholars, such as Norman J. Ornstein. Since you claim that they are nothing more than conservative shills, how about you produce some evidence of their interference in public policy decisions. Your contention that they are more conservative than the Heritage Institute is laughable.They have also partnered with the liberal think tank, the Brookings Institute with regard to public health policy in recent years. Of course, for a liberal who gains their information from the liberal press and MoveOn.org, I’m sure you would probably consider the Brookings Institute conservative as well, or at least, not liberal enough.
    So far as the credibility of Business Insider, it is nothing more than a website that was launched in 2009 that aggregates technology and business news, nothing more. And so far as your claims that they employ economists who regularly criticize Dr. Conover, obviously, you haven’t done ANY research. Their editorial board is headed by CEO Henry Blodget, a wall street insider who has been banned for life from the securities industry by the SEC. There are NO economists that work for them, but even if there were, this is not a credible publication nor does it in any way compare to Forbes in scope, history or competency.
    Last, your contention that no one is being cancelled, and the majority who are forced off their insurance and into the exchanges will end up with better, less expensive insurance smacks of liberal desperation akin to trying to paint lipstick on a pig. My family is one of those who had insurance we were very happy with. Prior to the implementation of this law, in response to the freeze on prices, our rates were raised over 40%. No, that was not unique. Next, we were told that because we didn’t have maternity benefits, we would have to go to a new plan. Since neither my wife nor I are even capable of producing children, this was a laughable new requirement of the new law. Of course, I should probably feel grateful, since Kathleen Sibelius is of the opinion that single men sometimes need maternity insurance. Now, in order to even maintain the benefits we previously had, we had to absorb more than a 100% increase in our already too high premiums. Excepting my patients who already qualify for government assistance, and those who work for the government, every patient who was previously part of the individual marketplace that I have seen is now experiencing the same sticker shock and those who are with businesses are, for the most part, losing their insurance soon because their employer can’t afford to provide insurance because their costs have risen more than 100% and in some cases, 300%.
    It never fails to amaze me how callous and hate filled liberals can be, all while claiming to be the “tolerant” ideology. Even the liberal press is beginning to point out that NOTHING the president said was true. Even the liberal press is finding it hard to find those who will benefit and even they can’t avoid the truth that the disaster that we are seeing now is going to be compounded a hundred fold by next October, when companies will be sending out cancellation notices just prior to the election cycle. But, by all means, stick with your ludicrous contention that all the bad news is just conservative conspiracists trying to bring Obama down. Continue to ignore the overwhelming evidence. Make all the false claims about “studies” you want. It doesn’t change the fact that either you’re a liar or you’re so ignorant and blindly devoted that you will never be capable of seeing the truth.

  • Anonymous

    greywolfrs, you weren’t reading carefully. That comment was completely sarcastic, but the comment was written to demonstrate exactly what Obama is planning to do once the chaos reaches pitched levels. Ultra leftists want to cause such a disaster that the populace will then demand a single payer system.

  • Anonymous

    You really are the typical liberal. It won’t affect me, so I’ll stick it to someone else. You guys are such charitable people. It’s heartwarming.

  • Anonymous

    Engaging Gadamer is a complete waste of time. He has a sexual fetish about Glenn Beck and his views are long on lying and made up claims.

  • greywolfrs

    You want to talk about the tax? That tax WIULL be ehnforced on the middle class. In the Greater Los Angeles area, 500K for house is a middle class house. Look at housing prices outside your little bubble, dipshit.
    On another note, as companies drop the hours of employees to less than 29 hours per week, that will mean there are far more people who qualify for subsidies. That alone will explode the cost of this P O S bill and everyone who pays taxes WILL be paying for it.
    Profanity? Hey stupid, just because someone told you that certain words are profain does not make it true. In fact, the words “fuck” and “shit” are not profain in England, the place the language comes from. Feel free to think for yourself, dunce. By the way, calling you a moron is the truth, not “name-calling.”
    Your new here? So, another left weing dipshit decides to show up for what reason? Piss off, dipshit.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, you’re a true scholar. Please….DO read my reply. If you think that you’ve scored a point, it proves how truly foolish you are.

  • greywolfrs

    “Constitutional gibberish?” So, you admit you care not for the very document that is the foundation of this entire country.

    You are another deluded idiot that was told certain words are “profanity” and feel the need to perpetuate that lie. Simple example, in England, curse words are “bloody” and “bugger,” yet we think nothing of those words in the US. In the US, “fuck” and “shit” are considered “profanity,” yet the English think nothing of them. Feel free to think for yourself and stop believing the lies, if you can.

  • greywolfrs

    You know what is really funny? These are the same people who decry Conservatives for trying to dictate morality when it comes to things like abortion, but turn around and want to dictate morality with social programs.

  • greywolfrs

    My bad, apologies, sometimes the sarcasm does not come through in the forums.

  • JonL

    David, one thing I get so frustrated with is that it seems every disagreement is labeled as “hate,” when, most of the time, it’s nothing more than just that – a disagreement. Just because I may disagree with you on some points doesn’t mean I hate you or your perspective/opinion. I simply disagree and see it differently. That should not label anyone as a hater.

    Although, I also realize that some people are very passionate about what they believe and express their disagreement perhaps a bit too “colorfully,” for lack of a better word, lol. And it does often come across as hateful and hostile.

    That is one of my greatest frustrations about discussion forums like this – that people cannot have civil discourse and actually at least attempt to come together on real solutions without the hateful vitriol. Otherwise, it creates nothing but greater division and fuels the bitterness.

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but for me, personally, I do try to maintain a common respect for everyone’s perspectives and opinions, and I am always willing to hear “the other side.” To be close-minded and not teachable benefits no one, and sure doesn’t contribute to any solutions or answers.

    However, I have no respect and no tolerance for those who willingly and knowingly support and defend policies and issues that violate the founding principles of America as outlined in the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence.

    That said, how any true, red-blooded American can believe in and defend this so-called president and his socialist agenda – including this ACA – is beyond my comprehension. He and his policies go against everything this country stands for.

    So yes, for you to refer to greywolfrs’ legitimate questions to you about the constitutionality of the ACA-imposed “taxes” and the government’s “right to play Robin Hood” as “constitutionalist gibberish” is just as offensive to me as any so-called “hate-filled vitriol” that is “spewed around here.”

    That kind of terminology from the left gives the impression that they have little or no respect and/or little or no regard for the U.S. Constitution.

  • Anonymous

    No harm. I totally agree with the legislated morality point, too, by the way. This guy is completely demonstrative of the liberal ideology. “I’ll pick your pocket and that makes me charitable”. I’ve never seen one yet that would tell me how much in real dollars THEY are willing to pass to the government for the “poor”. It’s always the guy who makes one dollar more than they do that should have to pay.

  • JonL

    Yeah, I pretty much had already come to that conclusion on my own. Didn’t take long to figure him out, lol.

  • greywolfrs

    That is exactly the point. Unfortunately, even hitting them in the head with a brick does not seem to get the point across.

  • JonL

    Gad, why do insist on posting as a guest when everybody knows it’s you? You’re silly, to say the least.

  • greywolfrs

    You should understand that vicki tiffany/gadaer/guest (and many other accounts) are the same person. His original account was vicki tiffany. He has a website dedicated to hating Glenn Beck. His fagbook page is about hating Glenn Beck. He’s some kind of weird stalker,

  • JonL

    LOL, yep…as I mentioned above to slkgej6, didn’t take long to figure him out. Thanks.

  • JonL

    greywolfrs, I think that’s probably one of the biggest distinctions between the right and left. Left leans towards promoting immorality, and the right at least has some sense of morality. (Woohoo…gonna get blasted for that comment, lol…let ‘er rip!)

  • greywolfrs

    You must understand that I have been “dealing” with these left wing dolts from the start. They are NOT here for discourse or debate. As someone like you makes well thought-out arguments, they run screaming with their fingers in their ears. They are not trying to come to a common solution.
    On another note, as you can plainly see, they care not for the very document that this country is based on, which is quite offensive. They only like the Constitution when they can twist it to say what they want it to say, other than that they completely disregard that document.

  • David Elliott

    Jeez, you still aren’t getting it right, even after it’s been explained to you. The tax is not assessed on the value of the house when it’s sold. The tax is assessed on the capital gain — the difference between the sale price and the acquisition price. And you’re actually calling people “moron”? How ironic.

  • greywolfrs

    That is debatable. I do not think it is anyone’s job to dictate morality. In fact, the Constitution prohibits that. Whether it be the right trying to do it with religion and abortion or the Democraps trying to do it with social programs. In the end, both are taking away freedom at an alarming rate and we ALL lose when that happens.

  • JonL

    I hear ya, and I got your back, bro.

  • greywolfrs

    By the way, that is exactly why I give the left wing dolts so much shit.

  • JonL

    Well, it’s a dirty job, but SOMEBODY’S gotta do it, lol. (Tongue in cheek, lol)

  • David Elliott

    Like you, I admire and respect the Constitution. What I don’t admire and respect is your incoherent mumblings about the document.

  • greywolfrs

    You are not getting it, look at the median house prices outside your little bubble. Here in Southern CA they are around that 500K mark. So, if that house is bought from a bank, those taxes WILL be passed on to the person buying the house. Anyone who actually pays their loan and goes to sell the house is going to have to pay that tax AGAIN. JFC, hitting you in the head with brick still does NOTHING. Yes, you are a moron.

  • David Elliott

    Do you even understand what a capital gain is?

  • JonL

    LOL….that’s your advice? Getting a job is going to get me subsidies or cheaper premiums on my healthcare? I can hardly type for laughing so hysterically.

    By the way, I have a very steady, good-paying job.

    OMG I can’t stop laughing.

  • greywolfrs

    Maybe, in the end, if I take all the crap from these idiots, it will spare someone else from having to do it.

  • greywolfrs

    Yes, Do you even understand that housing prices in different areas are not the same? Do you even understand that a one size fits all approach is B S? Do you understand anything?

  • greywolfrs

    Incoherent? That’s a cop out. There was nothing incoherent about what I said. Maybe you need a reading comprehension class.
    I noticed you didn’t bother to mention anything about the “so-called” profanity, imagine that. Again, you are proven wrong and choose to ignore it. That’s the left wing dolt way.

  • JonL

    So, of all the professional liars in the country, what is your obsession with Beck? Why single him out?

  • Ungerm

    I’m totally disgusted that the pres thinks I’m that stupid

  • Ungerm

    Given the benefit of the doubt. Misspeaking over 150 times on this one issue illuminates his inabilities as a president. Is there a special language one must speak/understand to get the true & full meaning??.

  • David Elliott

    Jon, an acquaintance of mine, who is provost at a midwestern university, recently wrote: “As citizens, we must argue with each other about important things. Participating in an inherently adversarial political system means proposing arguments and defending positions. Both our nation and the Constitution that governs it are built on a process designed to turn vigorous discussion and debate into manageable lumps of compromise that permit us to move ahead.”

    He goes on: “When somebody disagrees with us, we feel personally attacked and our fight-or-flight reflex kicks in. We immediately label the offending individual as other—crazy, stupid, evil, and ‘them’. Definitely not ‘us’. People are tribal that way.”

    One of the reasons I, as a professed progressive, visit sites like this is that I’m trying to transcend some of that tribalism and maybe build some small bridges that will facilitate the “manageable lumps of compromise” that are important for political effectiveness. I admit I may not be very good at that yet, but my heart’s in the right place.

    One thing I’ve noticed about these visits is that very often, after an initial flurry of rancor (usually accompanied by profanity and name-calling), the dust settles and I can talk reasonably with people like you and cnelson (I think that’s it). Thanks for that.

    The interaction here has been somewhat interesting, and I’ve learned a couple things. I probably won’t be back, though — so many other sites to troll on! Take care.

  • greywolfrs

    Yeah, the language of a liar…

  • Guest

    The Healthcare.gov website is still glitchy; there are evidently people who are losing their current health insurance plans; premiums continue to rise; and the Republicans along with irresponsible both members of the press and sleazy, reactionary liars like Glenn Beck, are blowing it entirely out proportion.

    Enough! In the blitz of strategic outrage and gratuitous piling-on, it’s time to inject some serious and much-needed perspective into this thing.

    First, here are several examples of major government endeavors that launched on shaky ground but which eventually became historically monumental achievements. You might remember hearing about the status of the American space program just nine years before NASA went on to successfully land a man on the moon.

  • David Elliott

    I live on the Central Coast of California. Our median housing prices are generally somewhat higher than those in Southern California. Even if a house sells for $700,000 here, chances are the difference between the selling price and the original acquisition price (the capital gain) will nearly always be less than $500,000 and thus not subject to the 3.8 percent tax in the ACA.

  • greywolfrs

    Hey, vicki tiffany the coward, you are posting as Gadamer, quick change it to guest. Coward

  • JonL

    Thanks for your response, and I sincerely wish you all the best!

  • greywolfrs

    So, you live in the gay bay, that explains it.

  • JonL

    LMAO

    I’ll have to say…the sheer willful ignorance and denial by some here is mind-boggling. But the entertainment is priceless, lol.

  • David Robles

    And Hitler just misspoke when he said he just wanted one more country and then would stop. Anything that comes out of this administrations mouth is a lie. They are politicians. They attempt to insulate the president from anything negative. He has plausible deniability for everything that goes wrong. While this may be okay for some, it is not okay for the President of the United States. To say he found out by watching the news is laughable and shows the level of arrogance and incompetence he has. Anyone who believes otherwise does not live in the same world as normal, intelligent people do.

  • JonL

    Oh, they get the point more than you may give them credit for. Most of them know exactly what they’re doing. THAT’S what pisses me off. They KNOW how wrong some of this stuff is, they know how bad it is, they know the truth. But until or unless it affects THEM directly in a way they don’t like…they don’t care!

    That’s why most of their posts/comments here are nothing more than childish, vulgar rants, avoiding the actual issue or topic of discussion. They lash out because they can’t argue (legitimately) against the truth.

  • David Elliott

    San Luis Obispo. Do I have to explain everything to you? (You go from profanity to name-calling and now to bigoted slurs and more changing of the subject. That explains it, I guess.)

  • RichardIsGod, In the

    Your religion supported killing other humans in the name of their God (Crusades). You killed Jews because they killed your mascot.

    The right is only right because they think God is on their side. Sad white people.

  • JonL

    And your “religion” supports killing unborn humans in the name of their God (Liberalism, Pro-”Choice”). Nazis killed the Jews.
    The left is only left because they think Obama is on their side. Sad stupid people.

  • JonL

    Your “religion” supports killing other humans in the name of their god (Liberalism, Pro-”choice’). Nazis killed Jews.

    The left is only left because they think their “savior” (Obama) is on their side. Sad stupid people.

  • RichardIsGod, In the

    Yep, you Christians got tired of Jewish persecution about 400 years ago. Decided to go drag some colored folks over from Africa and teach them what Capitalism was all about.

    Your religion is a materialistic Master – Slave propaganda machine that causes all Evil.

  • JonL

    Go pick on somebody else. You’re a waste of time.

  • JonL

    Even after all the negative publicity and the outcry of people everywhere losing their health insurance, the White House website STILL states, “If you like your plan you can keep it and you don’t have to change a thing due to the health care law.

    Here it is, under the heading “Healthcare That Works For Americans”
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform/healthcare-overview

  • Aaron

    They are already blaming the insurance companies

  • Jobobo

    I’m still waiting for “several” examples, bro.

  • Paul

    He was lied to and in return, perpetuated the lie. He is oblivious as to what’s in the bill, just like Pelosi and the rest of his snake oil salesmen, the Demorats. But then, if he is smart as everyone thinks he is, then he LIED! The only thing he didn’t add in his campaign of lies was, Read My Lips!

  • Yosemite Sam

    Another American Gay Basher. That explains why you can’t argue and can only call them names.

    Now, call me a moron.

  • Yosemite Sam

    Still no facts, only insults. Another hypocrite religious fanatic.

  • Yosemite Sam

    Again, religious hypocrites calling others hypocrites. You are from Alabama. You use to have slaves right? All men are created equal? Only if you are male and white.

    Learn the Definition of Words Trailer Trash

  • Yosemite Sam

    That you are American Scum?

  • Yosemite Sam

    Your post shows who the dumbass is. So is Alabama boy your “friend”. You two seem quite cozy.

  • Yosemite Sam

    Beck is just one of the many Rush LimDolts that likes ruining American.

    You Trailer Trash, backwoods hillbillies need to hurry up and secede from the Union.

  • JonL

    Well, I’m sorry if “willful ignorance and denial by some here is mind-boggling” is an insult. But it IS a FACT. When you provide some verifiable facts about the topic at hand, we’ll talk. But knee-jerk reactions without substance doesn’t merit much of my time.

  • JonL

    Awww, jealous much?

  • JonL

    And this coming from one of three looney toons “following” me. Yeah. Now who’s hurling insults?

  • JonL

    Is that the best you can do looney toon? Yeah, history tells us all about the south and slavery.

    But you don’t know me, so let me enlighten you a bit…I am not in the least proud of certain facts of American history, and it’s a pathetic shame that a human would enslave another human, especially in “civilized” society.

    Yes, all men ARE created equal…I firmly believe that. Even trailer trash like you. Have a good evening.

  • JonL

    You didn’t read the post, did you?

  • greywolfrs

    Cry some more, maggot. WHAAA, he used profanity. WHAAA, he called me a name. WHAAA, he is a bigot. Hey stupid, you do realize that calling someone a bigot IS name-calling, right? Man, you are one dumb M F er.

  • David Elliott

    I swear, talking to you is like talking to a 12-year-old. No, I take that back; that would be an insult to my grandson. Seriously, go back and re-read my comments. Not once have I called you a name. Not once have I complained about your childish behavior. I’ve merely pointed out your obsessive profanity and name-calling, and the way you use them to try to cover up your utter inability to engage in meaningful discourse. But your feeble powers of comprehension and observation obviously prevent you from grasping that.

    Okay, that’s your cue to call me “one dumb M F er”.

  • Mark Evans

    quiet, lose

  • Anonymous

    IMPEACH THIS LIAR!!!!!!!!! WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE?
    UNREAL.

  • Anonymous

    Nixon wasn’t impeached. Only Andrew Johnson and Slick Willy Clinton have been impeached as President, but neither were convicted in the Senate.
    Obama should be tried for treason. Just by taking the oath of office he violated the Constitution that he was taking an oath to protect and defend. Add to that all the other criminal and treasonous acts he has committed, giving aid to the enemy, election fraud, murder of U.S. citizens, etc., it seems to be an easy case to prove.

  • Kent

    If states bind together in committee, Mr. Obama could be associated to an unknown ultra-top-secret organization that’s sole intent is to subvert the classic American establishment. He has represented a movement of indoctrinated intelligence and formula among deep cover operatives of opposite trusts to American histories. Numerous institutions of application are motivated at administrative levels and some higher. Anyone becoming aware beyond nominal access is systematically eliminated from channel. Operatives who are capable of projecting non-compliant response to opposition and inquiry are relocated and fade to sleeping profiles. Economic posturing forced toward limited dialogs of provability give subsequent deniability routes and confirmation of process through media carrier. Character specific assets queue compliant mechanized facility in observatory conferences.

    Hard to read or understand isn’t it, but does this in any way sound familiar?
    Just testing the start of a Spy Novel I’m working on. I’m going to call it, ‘The
    last year of the Fatherless’.

  • Average Joe

    The “HURRY UP AND DIE!” line came from Alan Grayson’s racist mind. It didn’t come from the GOP.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-usmvYOPfco

  • Average Joe

    Everyone knows that no President is responsible for the first 8 months of his administration, just ask any Libtard. Hell, they still are making the excuse that Obama is not responsible for anything and it’s been almost 5 years.

    OBTW, Billy Clinton had Bin Laden in his sights twice but he didn’t see it because he was busy with Monica and his Cuban cigars.

  • Peter Peters

    so what Obama just gets away with all these lies and nothing happens to him ?
    GET rid of that lying ass hole