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We are in my office at my home where I preserve some amazing pieces of American history. And we have a new book out called Miracles and Massacres. We either, if you’re on the left, you focus on the massacres, or if you’re on the right, you focus on the miracles. We have to focus on both of them because that’s the true American story. And I want to focus just a bit on the miracle.

Right over here in my office is the original painting of The Prayer at Valley Forge done by Arnold Friberg. This is the painting that he painted before the famous one that was hanging on the wall of Mount Vernon. He wanted to paint it and get the color right, and then he painted off of this one. It wasn’t even known to exist until about a year and a half ago. I’m lucky enough to be its caretaker for a while.

But this story is absolutely true, except for one part. We can look at this, and if you know history, Arnold Friberg was so careful that the trees were right, that the horse was right, that the snow looked right, but he made one error that wasn’t right: George Washington is praying looking down. George Washington always looked up, and we know it because there was a guy named Isaac Potts.

Isaac Potts owned the area around Valley Forge, and he was on the other side. And he was doing some spying. He wanted to see exactly what this Washington was up to, so he followed him into the woods. And he stood behind one of those trees, and he listened to Washington. He raced home and said we’re on the wrong side. Any man who prays like that, we are definitely on the wrong side.

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    Interesting part of history.

  • Anonymous

    “Boldly approach the throne of God.” I’ve always been taught to pray as if God has already answered in the affirmative.

  • Anonymous

    I believe GW was looking up with open arms, while he prayed.

  • Anonymous

    No, we know that George Washington was looking up when he prayed at Valley Forge. We don’t know if that was the way he routinely prayed, or whether it was just this one time.

  • http://blog.williamlweaver.com William L. Weaver

    Great History. I currently live in “Pottstown, PA”, founded by Isaac’s father John Potts. I pass Valley Forge each day…it would be awesome if there was a greater familiarity with the history and the Founding in this area. It’s there if you put in the effort to search for it, but I feel like it should just ooze from every corner here in the “Cradle of Liberty”…

  • Ellie

    The bible says God is in heaven and the hell prepared for the devil and his angles is below so it makes sense that a man who knew the bible so well would look up when he prayed.

    When Lincoln said that God brought forth on this continent a great nation he was so right. This nation is here for God’s purposes in the last days. The US must stand for Israel or perish.

  • Kenny Stringfellow

    They say Washington was a deist, and as far as I know they
    (deist) pray but don’t believe god answers prayers. If this is so it seems to
    me Washington did a lot of praying not to think god was not going to answer.

  • Sir Lamont Rodeheaver

    By way of introduction,
    my name is Sir Rodeheaver and I am just a man in love with Jesus Christ. I am
    sold out to Him and Him alone.

    My concern for you is
    life or death. I say this because I believe you to be a man who is intent on
    seeking and finding the truth, studying history and knowing the critical importance
    of our country’s foundation.

    In matters of faith,
    however, and with all due respect, I have an issue with what you’re
    representing. On one of your episodes you presented views on Orthodox
    Christianity, but the problem with it is that it is not what Mormons believe. This
    can be misleading to both Christians and Mormons alike. The history of the LDS
    church is extensive and is obtainable; I know this because I own a couple
    volumes myself, and the history doesn’t line up.

    My journey into
    Mormonism started when two young men showed up at my front door and encouraged
    me to not only read the Book of Mormon and pray about it (Moroni 10:4), but
    they also encouraged me to study it (D&C 9:8), which I did. Through my
    journey many red flags popped up with what I was reading in the Book of Mormon
    (BOM), but they were never addressed. I have spoken with lay-people, Elders,
    Bishops, Stake Presidents, and even a Professor, who stated that he is 1 of 2,000
    allowed to teach Mormon doctrine. None of them could address my concerns.

    I would like to
    encourage you to have the willingness to rethink your assumptions, just as David
    Barton and others helped you –and the country– rediscover American history.

    Let me tell you what I’m
    not going to do. I’m not going
    to jump on the ‘false prophecies of Joseph Smith’ band wagon, although I know
    several of them. I am not going to pull verses and discuss their nature,
    because the easy out of that is to say that I am reading them out of context.

    Rather, I am going to follow
    your lead and address and challenge you the way you have admirably addressed
    and challenged the American people to study and know our historical foundation.
    I would love to sit and discuss many doctrinal issues with you, but that would
    only make this email unnecessarily long and drawn out.

    You are a man of reasonable
    wisdom (ref. James 3:17). I believe if you just looked at the historical foundation
    of the Book of Mormon with the same standard with which you evaluate American
    history, you would see the obvious errors. Here are just a few that contradict
    the history of the Americas.

    Many of the apparent
    historical inaccuracies are errors of anachronisms. As you probably know,
    ‘anachronism’ is defined by Dictionary.com as:

    (noun)

    1. something or someone
    that is not in its correct historical or chronological time,

    2. an error in
    chronology in which a person, object, event, etc. is assigned a date or period
    other than the correct one.

    Some of the anachronisms
    in the Book of Mormon cover weaponry for example, such as the Cimeter
    (Scimitar) as listed in:

    Mosiah 9:16 dated to be
    187 BC,

    Mosiah 10:8 dated to be
    178/175 BC,

    Enos 1:20 dated to be
    420 BC,

    Alma 2:12 dated to be 87
    BC

    There are several more
    dates just regarding Scimitars (see Alma 27:29; 43:18, 20, 37; 44:8; 60:2,
    Helaman 1:14). Scimitars (curved swords) didn’t exist until the 500′s (AD),
    long after the dates that those verses list.

    1 Nephi 18:12 speaks of
    a compass and the date on the bottom of the page says it
    was around 589 BC but the compass wasn’t invented until 1100AD (the
    earliest).

    There are other
    historical inaccuracies, such as crucifixion (2 Nephi 9:18), elephants (Ether
    9:19), honey bees (Ether 2:3), horses (1 Nephi 18:25; 2 Nephi 12:7; 15:28; Enos
    1:21; Ether 9:19; Alma 18:9-12; 20:6; 3 Nephi 3:22; 4:4; 6:1; 21:14), steel (1
    Nephi 4:9; 16:18; 2 Nephi 5:15; Jaron 1:8; Ether 7:9; Alma 2:12), silk (Alma
    4:6), and windows/transparent glass (Ether 2:23; 3:1).

    All those verses have
    dates listed at the bottom of their founded page in which the Book of Mormon
    says they were in use or existed in the Americas.

    The BOM has many historical
    inconsistencies, which you, as a man of intellectual integrity, should be able to
    look at and say, “Hmm. What if…?” The bible never claims faith to
    be something without evidence.

    Hebrews 11:1 (KJV)
    reads: Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of
    things not seen.

    Even the Joseph Smith
    Translation (JST) states Hebrews 11:1 as: Now faith is the assurance of things
    hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    The Bible has never
    charged us to have a blind/non-evidential faith. I know why I believe in what I
    believe. I know why I believe in the Trinity and it’s not because someone told
    me that is what I should believe as a Christian. Sometimes Christians have
    a mistaken definition of “faith”. Because faith is sometimes
    described as believing in things that cannot be seen, Christians often think of
    faith as an act of believing in things that have no evidential basis. In essence,
    some Christians believe that “true faith” is believing in something despite the
    evidence or evidence to the contrary.

    But this is not the
    Biblical definition of faith. While it is true that God is a Spirit and cannot
    be seen, it is not true that there is no evidence to support the existence of
    the unseen God. While we may not see anyone throw a rock in a pond, we may
    indeed see the ripples that the rock created on the surface of the water and
    come to the belief that someone threw a rock into the pond on the basis of this
    evidence. In a similar way, there are many good reasons to believe that God
    exists, and the Biblical model of true faith involves examining the evidence
    for God’s existence.

    The Christian life is
    more than a life of blind trust. It is a life of rational examination that
    challenges each of us to evaluate the evidence, form a conclusion and then
    share that conclusion with the world around us. Let’s examine the Biblical
    model of evidential faith:

    1. We are called to use our minds.

    God tells us that we are
    to love Him with more than our heart. We are to have a relationship that is
    emotional and intellectual:

    Matthew 22:37-38 (KJV)

    Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
    heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is
    the first and great commandment.

    When we examine our
    world and the evidence for the existence of God, we are worshipping God with
    our mind and this kind of worship pleases God.

    2. We are called to understand the value of evidence.

    God has given us a
    number of good evidential reasons to believe that He exists and that Jesus is
    who He says He is. We are not called to have blind faith, but to have a well
    reasoned, evidential faith:

    Acts 1:2-3 (KJV)

    …until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through
    the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had
    chosen: To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs,
    being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the
    kingdom of God:

    Acts 17:2-3 (KJV)

    And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath
    days reasoned with
    them out of the scriptures, opening
    and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen
    again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

    Acts 17:30-31 (KJV)

    And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth
    all men every where to repent: because he hath appointed a day, in the which he
    will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained;
    whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath
    raised him from the dead.

    The Greek word
    used for “assurance” in Acts 17:31 is “pistis”. The word is derived from
    “peitho” which is a Greek verb that means “to convince by argument” that
    something is either true or false. The word is also used as a verb to describe
    one’s “assent” to a point in light of the evidence, or to describe the inner
    “certainty” that one can have as a result of trusting the evidence. But
    interestingly, the word that Paul uses for “assurance” here, although it is
    used in 244 other places in the New Testament, is never translated elsewhere as
    “proof” or “evidence”. In every other appearance in the scripture, this word is
    translated as “faith”. The Biblical notion of “faith” is to place one’s
    confidence and trust in something that can be demonstrated with “proof”,
    “evidence” or a “convincing argument”. Biblical faith is not blind; it is
    rooted in evidence.

    3. We are called to examine our beliefs.

    God wants us to know
    what we believe and why we believe it. We’re not called to numbly trust
    everything that might be taught in our world today, even if some Christian
    teacher is the source! We’re expected to be critical, skeptical and thoughtful:

    Acts 17:10-11 (KJV)

    And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night
    unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. These
    were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they
    received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily,
    whether those things were so.

    The word ‘noble’ in this verse is speaking of their minds. The
    Greek word is ‘eugenes’ meaning noble minded.

    1 Thessalonians 5:19-21 (KJV)

    Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that
    which is good.

    1 John 4:1 (KJV)

    Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God:
    because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    Skepticism is important
    to the Christian faith; skepticism causes
    us to examine what we believe and search for the evidence that confirms our
    beliefs. God honors this kind of skepticism because He knows that it leads
    to a deeper faith in Him. There is a place for skepticism in the life of the
    Christian because it causes us to “examine the Scriptures daily”.

    4. We are called to be convinced of what we believe.

    God wants us to be
    certain and base our certainty on evidence that can be articulated to others who
    may have doubts:

    Romans 14:5 (KJV)

    One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every
    day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded
    in his own mind.

    2 Timothy 1:8-12 (KJV)

    Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of
    me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel
    according to the power of God; Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy
    calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and
    grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, but is now
    made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished
    death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
    whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the
    Gentiles. For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I
    am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that
    he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

    The word ‘persuaded’ in Greek is ‘peitho’ which is a Greek
    verb that means “to convince by argument” that something is either true or
    false, to be persuaded, to suffer one’s self to be persuaded; to be
    induced to believe: to have faith: in a thing concerning a person.

    2 Timothy 3:14 (KJV)

    But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned
    and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned
    them;

    Again, ‘assured’ here, in the Greek, is to be firmly persuaded of.

    Conviction is the result
    of certainty, and certainty is the result of evidential confidence. We are
    called to be convinced by mastering the evidence that supports what we believe.
    The Christians life is not one of “wishful thinking” or “hope in the
    unreasonable”. It is a life of certainty, grounded in the evidence.

    5. We are called to be “Case Makers”

    Once we have examined
    the evidence and have come to the conclusion that Christianity is true, we are
    called to be ready to make a strong defense for what we believe:

    1 Peter 3:15 (KJV)

    But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to
    give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you
    with meekness and fear:

    The Christian life is a
    rational and reasonable life that is rooted and grounded in the evidence of the
    Resurrection and the truth of the Bible. Christians are saved by placing their
    trust in Jesus, but Christians become a powerful force in their world when they
    commit themselves to being “case makers” for what they believe.

    Christians can be “case
    makers” precisely because the Christian faith is an evidential faith. When we,
    as Christians, argue for the truth of the Christian Worldview, we are not
    sharing an opinion. There either is a God, or there is not. Jesus is that God,
    or He is not. Salvation comes through Christ alone (as Jesus Himself
    maintained), or it does not. This is not a matter of opinion, personal
    preference or wishful thinking. The Christian faith is grounded in evidence
    that can be assessed and evaluated. The Christian faith is an evidential faith.

    Mr. Beck, please know my
    heart in this. My heart is burdened not only for America but for you. Your view
    of God affects every area of life, now and eternally.

    I think what you’re
    doing is great, but if off just a degree, it is dangerous and misleading.
    Please consider spending a day with me so I can discuss some issues with
    you.

    Please do not
    misunderstand me; there is a God, He’s just not the god of Mormonism.

    Mr. Beck, as you are, I
    too am a truth seeker and I will spend my life seeking out truth even if it is
    offending to me. In the end I just want truth. It’s like the car analogy that
    Miles McPherson said, (I will not put quotes around it because I do not know it
    word for word, just the idea of what he said in a whole). The fact is that a
    car runs off of gas, someone may want to believe that it can run on sand, but
    the facts are the facts… it will only run on gas.

    Thank you for your time.
    Lord bless.

  • Daron Fraley

    I know there are historians who keep saying Washington was a Deist. They are dead wrong. Washington was absolutely a Christian. Read this: http://www.daronfraley.com/2013/08/george-washington-was-a-christian.html The references here are from his prayer journal. The whole Deist thing is a lie.

  • Craig Achorn

    Washington should be on both knees with his hands and arms raised to the heavens.

  • Anonymous

    Democrats run the public schools. No way. They are against God. And all the kids are being mislead… and that… is on us. I pray God is merciful and Christ saves me.

  • Anonymous

    Amazing. Atheists and ‘non-Christian nation’ backers, KMA! But, we see now what we have lost since the 1960s.

  • Ozzie Ridings

    As I understand it Washington from the start of his first term in Office said in the Church near where the towers were with his hands raised high God this is your Nation Guide US. We need this to happen again. We need to be one Nation Under God

  • Jack Bass

    It would be great if our kids would get more interested in history. It would be great too if schools would teach it and teach it honestly. This being so I now do all I can to teach my kids and grandkids history at every opportunity. I love history, my family is a part this this nations history (first arrived in Jamestown). I have had the honor to hear stories from my Great Grandparents. I will pass this history on. This is the only way to combat the revisionists.

  • Anonymous

    That’s ‘God’, Kenny.

  • Anonymous

    Give your copy/paste function a rest. What a self righteous rant.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, you put a lot of effort in this and I can appreciate that. You do not tear down like so many others and I think that is very commendable. You come across as someone who admires Beck and is truly concerned for his eternal well being. Here is the problem, if Glenn Beck (and myself) has asked the very God of Heaven to guide his path, to show Beck(and myself) the way, the truth and the life and this same God of Heaven has answered Beck (and myself) in the affirmative that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is indeed the restoration of all things, with the authority to act in God’s name held therein, who is Beck (and myself) to say otherwise? Why would Beck (or I) turn away from what the God of Heaven, creator of all things, has said??

  • Anonymous

    There is another error in that painting. When the Army was camped at Valley Forge, General Washington was a young 45 years old. But that painting depicts him as a man in his 60s or 70s.

  • Sir Lamont Rodeheaver

    I apologize if it came off that way. I spent hours in prayer in how to address Mr. Beck. I, in no way, meant to rant. I can see how that can be perceived and I should maybe take a little more time next time to make it a little more concise.

  • Anonymous

    Sir Lamont Rodeheaver, I am impressed with your non-contentious manner in which you expressed your concerns with the Mormon religion. Thank you. Unfortunately, your intelligence on the matter is your greatest obstacle to understanding the Book of Mormon’s importance to our world.

    My concern is that if you have asked people to address these issues then they either didn’t really understand the religion they professed to believe in or you simply didn’t want to see their answers as true. Perhaps it is both for the answers are really quite obvious.

    For example, the Chinese had sailing ships that were far superior to the English, yet the English people colonized much of the world as they were expansionists while the Chinese were content with remaining close to home. Does that mean that their superior ship technology did not exist? Just because someone in the old world invented the compass in 1100AD says nothing for the fact that it could not have existed in another continent half way around the world. Especially when we look at how the Book of Mormon explains how they got it… It was given to them by God. Certainly God would have the knowledge to build such a device 1700 years earlier than a mortal man.

    You also mentioned the Scimitar and its invention in the old world. Again the same principle explains that as well. In reality, I think your entire argument hinges on the idea of miracles. It looks to me that you do not believe God interacts with his children on this Earth. Is it possible that he encouraged technological advances for the benefit of His followers long before other civilizations? If you believe the Book of Mormon, then there is no doubt in your mind that He does. He is a God of miracles and always will be yesterday, today and tomorrow.

    I could answer the rest of your concerns, but I really don’t need to. If you don’t want to see the answers as they are explained, then it would be pointless and a waste of my time.

    I would like to ask one question of you. If you were to read the Book of Mormon for its theological teachings and then do what it tells you to do, would you get closer to God? Would you live a happier life? No doubt in my mind that anyone who does exactly this and apply its theological principles will indeed grow closer and live a happier life.

    I would like to re-invite you to pray about the Book of Mormon. This time, please look at the benefits to our spirituality and tell me if it really is false as you claimed.

    I know it is true, I live it and love it.

  • Anonymous

    Brevity is the soul of wit. Given the length of your initial post you would appear to be witless….

  • http://www.facebook.com/blakestaciejohnson Stacie Reber Johnson

    in reference to your dating-Did you know that many archaeological groups are now using the Book of Mormon to date their findings. And they are finding the dates the book gives to be more accurate than anything else they have previously used. This is being done in South America, the Midwest, and in Jerusalem. Just a little food for thought.

  • Nancy

    I believe it is the horse. I don’t think he actually prayed with his horse there. It just made a more interesting picture.

  • Sir Lamont Rodeheaver

    Thank you for your encouragement.

    I look at the examples in the scriptures in how we should compare what we ‘feel has been affirmed to us’ with what the scriptures say. We know God is not a God of confusion and He is all-knowing, so would God have Spirit-led men put things in His word that are out of order? The Apostle Paul encouraged the church at Thessalonica to be as the Bereans who studied daily to see if the things being shared with them were so (Acts 17, verse 11 speaks of the Bereans). Ezra had set his heart to study the law of the Lord and to practice it, and to teach His statutes and ordinances in Israel (Ezra 7:10). Paul tells Timothy to “study to show yourself approved” so that we can “rightly divide the word of truth.” (2 Tim 2:15). God is showing us the importance of studying. This is the the evidence aspect of Hebrews 11:1 in reference to Faith. “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” 1 Timothy 2:4 speaks of “knowledge of the Truth.”

    So after we study, we test. In 1 John 4:1, we are instructed to test the spirits to see if they are from God. God tests us throughout the entire Bible. In Jeremiah 17:10, it says God searches the heart and tests the mind. Deuteronomy 18:21-22 instructs us on how to test a prophet. 2 Chronicles 18:1-34 shows a great example of a false prophet vs a prophet of the Lord.

    God does not change (Malachi 3:6), but I think we often see change in our culture or are raised to believe a certain way and feel pressure from peers and family so we never question certain things and I just don’t see God telling us to except things as they are. James tells us to, “Ask for wisdom,” (James 1:5), but in James 3:17 it says, “that the wisdom from above is… easy to be intreated… and without hypocrisy.” The root of “easy to be intreated” means “trusted”. The Other translations would read, “reasonable”. The root meaning of “without hypocrisy” is “undisguised”. God never says, “Pray to see if this is true”. We see this when we read Luke 7:19-22. John the Baptist sent two of his disciples to Jesus to ask if He was the Christ, and Jesus didn’t tell them to pray about it or to tell John to pray about it. He went on to share all the evidence of Himself.

    My heart behind this is not to tear someone’s belief down – it’s just a concern. I do the same with my friends. I just think people should why they believe what they believe.

    Sorry if I offended anyone – that was not my intent.

  • Sir Lamont Rodeheaver

    I figured I had one shot, but I cannot argue your observation.

  • keith

    In the war of1812 the British had Washington DC surrounded but one day or night there were 5 tornados that wiped out over half of them !!! God has a way of making things right – why don’t they teach that in school ?

  • Sir Lamont Rodeheaver

    Stacie, the Smithsonian Institute and others disagree with your statement.

    http://www.bmaf.org/node/190

    http://www.csnradio.com/tema/links/SmithsonianLetter.pdf

  • Jack Bass

    That’s one that even I have not heard. How truly amazing! Of course we know why the schools avoid giving even the slightest nod to GOD, it is 100% against their God-less agenda. You can’t teach a story like this because it will make kids stop to consider the possibility that HE exists. So, naturally, they omit or revise any story that causes doubt at any level. But, HE is impossible ignore. HE always finds a way to show himself and thwarts the work of HIS enemies.

  • Sir Lamont Rodeheaver

    I am only addressing this because it is part of the answer to your question.

    You wrote: I would like to ask one question of you. If you were to read the Book of Mormon for its theological teachings and then do what it tells you to do, would you get closer to God?

    My answer is, no. I did not come to know Christ as a youthful child that took what the Bible said as truth because my parents told me so, nor am I insinuating that anyone else, including yourself, did. I came to Christ because of His love. I entered into a relationship with Christ at 26 years of age. Before that, I used to verbally and physically abuse my my wife. I had hate and anger issues. I hated myself and others. I tried committing suicide on numerous occasions. I tried shooting myself, only to find my once trustworthy gun wouldn’t fire at that moment, even after reloading and cocking it 3 times. I slit my wrist only to wake up in a pool of blood and a huge gash on my wrist. I took pills only to wake up in the ER. I tried hanging myself and again I woke up to a broken chain and a busted lip. I say all that because it was only Christ who delivered me from all my oppression. It was His undeserved and unearned grace that brought me to repentance.

    The Bible Dictionary in the Book of Mormon (BOM) defines grace as “an enabling power that allows men men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation after they have expended their own best efforts.” That definition is supported by Moroni 10:32, as well as 2 Nephi 25:23. That definition, however, is defined differently in the Bible. I know Ephesians 2:8-9 has probably been quoted over and over to Mormons, but it clearly says, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” And Paul backs this in Romans. Romans 4:2-7 tells us Abraham was was counted righteous because he believed God. Romans 5:7-9 says we are justified by His work and not by man’s work. Moroni 10:32 says “if we deny all ungodliness… then is His grace sufficient.” Titus 2:11-12 tells us that, “the grace of God”… teaches us that denying ungodliness, we should live righteously, looking for the blessed hope.. Pardon the paraphrase, it’s lengthy. Paul says it best in Romans 11:6, “if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.”

    And as I told hillplus, God does not change (Malachi 3:6), but I think we often see change in our culture or are raised to believe a certain way and feel pressure from peers and family so we never question certain things and I just don’t see God telling us to except things as they are. James tells us to, “Ask for wisdom,” (James 1:5), but in James 3:17 it says, “that the wisdom from above is… easy to be intreated… and without hypocrisy.” The root of “easy to be intreated” means “trusted”. The Other translations would read, “reasonable”. The root meaning of “without hypocrisy” is “undisguised”. God never says, “Pray to see if this is true”. We see this when we read Luke 7:19-22. John the Baptist sent two of his disciples to Jesus to ask if He was the Christ, and Jesus didn’t tell them to pray about it or to tell John to pray about it. He went on to share all the evidence of Himself.

    My heart behind this is not to tear someone’s belief down – it’s just a concern. I do the same with my friends. I just think people should why they believe what they believe.

    Sorry if I offended anyone – that was not my intent.

  • Elan114

    Might I suggest you read A Storyteller in Zion by Orson Scott Card. He is best known as a fiction writer but he does a good job at analyzing text as well. A key thing he talks about is that one needs to understand that the Book of Mormon is a translation by a young man living in the 1800s. So in the case of Nephi you are correct that God did not give him a compass, because they did not exist, but when Joseph read the words or saw a vision he had to translate it to English. Now if you read about a device that had pointers that spun and showed you which way to go what would you most liken it to? If you read about a curved sword, what would you call it? The actual devices, materials, animals, political positions etc. may have been EXTREMELY different from what we have today but there was enough similarity with something a young American man knew that he was able to assign those items words from his native tongue. The BoM would
    probably look extremely different had it been translated by someone from
    another region of the world or with a much more extensive vocabulary. God used a mortal man to translate an ancient text, and He did not transfigure Joseph into the most learned scholar in human history in order to do it. Thank you for your respectful tone, know that it is appreciated. As a convert to the LDS church it was the harsh condemning voices that chased me away from Christianity for a time, but it was the still small voice of God that confirmed to me that Jesus is the Christ and that the fullness of His gospel had been restored to mortal men who were left with their many imperfections so that we would be required to exercise faith to overcome the world.

    Thank you

  • Sir Lamont Rodeheaver

    In short, because I am quite typed out. The Latter Day Saints take good record of their history. That being said, Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon in the same fashion as the Book of Abraham and in his journal, which the LDS Church has published, Smith writes that he is transcribing, not translating, the Book of Abraham word for word. The Book of Abraham has been under great critique after our findings of the Rosetta Stone.

  • Rhonda Kelley (nee Williams)

    To say the painting is wrong because of an attitude of prayer is short sighted. You don’t always pray in the same posture any more than you always pray about the same things.

  • Sir Lamont Rodeheaver

    In brief, the LDS church is great at recording their history. Joseph Smith transcribed the Book of Mormon in the same fashion as the Book of Abraham. The church has published the writings of Joseph Smith’s journal and in his writings he says he is transcribing the Book of Abraham word for word. I say this because after our discovery of the Rosetta Stone, the Book of Abraham has been under great critique for its errors.

  • Lee Sackett

    Hell…. the Progressives are doing everything they can to keep our Founding Fathers Out of our public schools. They even attack Thomas Jefferson as a “slave owner!” All under the new continuing theme of the Obama mantra…. “You did not build that!” :(

  • Johnathan Read

    @ Sir Lamont Rodeheaver•

    No where in Glenn’s article does it mention Mormonism ?

    Are you here to discuss the Painting or rant against Mormons and their Faith ?

    Are you like most Trolls trying to hijack the discussion for your own agenda ?

  • Anonymous

    It is wisdom to question everything. I have done that my entire life. I have tested the doctrines taught in the Book of Mormon and Bible countless times throughout my life. With several decades of experience, I have proven the doctrines every single time to bring happiness and peace to my life. My understanding of our Savior and what He has done for us has grown without bounds as I live what the Book of Mormon teaches. Using it as a companion to the Bible, it has helped explain so much more than most Christians understand. The two books do not contradict each other, but makes it unquestionably clear in my mind.

    I have no question of truthfulness in the Book of Mormon. I know it is the word of God. As taught in Alma 32, Faith is a hope in that which is not seen which is true and like a seed, must be planted and nourished until it grows into a tree that brings forth the fruit of eternal life. (paraphrased) Read the entire chapter, one with an open mind cannot argue what it teaches on those pages.

    Now, to put it in a very simple way… For a religion who’s missionaries say “Don’t take my word for it, pray for yourself and let your God tell you its truthfulness.” It is hard to argue that the religion can be false. Missionaries for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints do not convert the people, the people convert themselves. This is not a culture of people “raised to believe a certain way.”

    If you are really a person seeking after peace and greater happiness, The Book of Mormon will help you find it… if you have an open heart.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Sam Fisher

    I got a question for all the liberals who think Washington was a deist. Why would he be praying if he believed God could care less about his creation?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Sam Fisher

    At least you where respectful about it and I have to say I agree with a lot what you say.

  • Anonymous

    Mr. Rodeheaver,

    I assure you that your great efforts to convince Mr. Beck to re-consider his faith will bear no fruit.

    The problem has nothing to do with any of the facts that you present. Every one of the specifics which you cite may be true. They will not be sufficient.

    Your obstacle is simply that anyone who has been a devout and faithful member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints for as long as Glenn Beck has been, and has done so much good work in the church’s name as he has done, will have witnessed true miracles first-hand.

    And I don’t mean rhetorical miracles, like one’s sports team coming back from certain defeat to win a big game. I mean real, incontrovertible, miracles that could only have been made possible by the hand of the Lord himself.

    Miracles that changed lives, changed history, and often are simply not appropriate to go public about.

    I hope you can understand that, within that context, no amount of scriptural fact-checking and chronological cross-referencing can up-root the unshakable faith of a worthy LDS priesthood holder.

    You face an impossible task, I assure you.

  • Anonymous

    “Deist” is a catch-all term and absolutely does not preclude the expectation of prayers being answered.

    I recommend refraining from inclusion of information in comments lest you have a reasonable belief that what you are saying is true.

    Also, basing conclusions on vaguely surmised information, in general, is rarely wise.

  • Anonymous

    It seems unlikely that one would pray with one’s head down sometimes and up others.

  • Warren Throckmorton

    Answer: The evidence for this story is suspect; it probably didn’t happen that way, if at all. http://www.philipvickersfithian.com/2012/05/david-barton-keeps-peddling-falsehoods.html

  • Anonymous

    One question for you – do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God born of the virgin Mary?

  • C.R. Krieger

    Anyone even vaguely familiar with the Gettysburg Address knows that’s not what Lincoln said. He said, “… our fathers brought forth …” You should read it some time; at least the FIRST SENTENCE.

  • Anonymous

    “they” like to say that all of the Founding Fathers were atheists and deists but they weren’t – there is much more evidence that they were God fearing men. It’s quite obvious that the politicians over the past few decades are completely unaware of the foundation of this nation -it’s God and He is all over the pages of our Constitution and Bill of Rights which is why they do not pay attention to it and have zero idea of what they vow to uphold when they take office.

  • Daron Fraley

    Total baloney. Deist is not a catch-all term. If some historians are going to make the claim that George Washington was a Deist, then we should be using the definition of the term that is close to the time period in which he lived. After all, if he would have called himself a Deist, and not a Christian, he would have done so using the vocabulary of his day. Let’s take a look:

    Both of these definitions are from the 1828 Webster’s Dictionary:

    DEIST, n. One who believes in the existence of a God, but denies revealed religion, but follows the light of nature and reason, as his only guides in doctrine and practice; a freethinker.

    DEISM, n. [L. God.] The doctrine or creed of a deist; the belief or system of religious opinions of those who acknowledge the existence of one God, but deny revelation: or deism is the belief in natural religion only, or those truths, in doctrine and practice, which man is to discover by the light of reason, independent and exclusive of any revelation from God. Hence deism implies infidelity or a disbelief in the divine origin of the scriptures.

    So . . . here is where I point out the baloney: George Washington was NOT a Deist as the liberals would claim. He was without a doubt a Christian. He prayed to the Father, believed in the divinity of Christ, knew that through the merits of Christ he would receive forgiveness, and references scripture. See this article for excerpts from George Washington’s own writings: http://bit.ly/NotADeist

  • Anonymous

    why? do you talk to your friends in the same position every time? Jesus Christ is my best friend – sometimes I go to Him prostrate and sometimes I just talk to Him while I’m working and feel myself becoming agitated and simply look up and ask Him to keep my close and don’t let me slip.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Sam Fisher

    But read his personal letters once. It still dsprove that he was a deist because again I would like to pint out to you he wrote to his family members about the hand of GO protecting him and guiding him again numb nuts who can one be deist and still say that. All one has to do is read one of his speeches to disprove the stupidity.

  • Anonymous

    Yes

  • Anonymous

    Well, pleased to meet you my Brother – because that is what a Christian makes not Mormon, Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, or any other “religion” – they just make us religious – redemption thru the Blood of Christ and a personal relationship with Him is all that really matters!!!

  • Anonymous

    Other than Washington wouldn’t have ridden a modern, halter type Quarter Horse?

  • Janet Miner

    If you ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins and come into your heart and serve Him faithfully then you will be saved. This is the only way you can be saved. And yes, He is a merciful God.

    Janet Miner

  • desselle0010

    Too many people today are interested in fiction. All these super heroes, vampires, harry potter movies and video games have kids growing up with no idea of the real world or real history. Real history is always more interesting than fantasy.

  • Kathy Thompson Ellis

    yes… boldly. and Jesus Christ is our intercessor. http://neverthelesskt.blogspot.com/2013/08/intercessor.html sharing my blog about praying boldly.

  • Homer

    Your comment is inaccurate. DC wasn’t surrounded, it had already been invaded and the British were burning it down. The tornadoes only killed several soldiers, not half of them. God performs tons of miracles daily and he doesn’t need you fabricating things and giving him credit for things that didn’t happen. So if you’re wondering why they don’t teach that story in school, it’s because you just made it up. Thanks for perpetuating historical inaccuracies!

  • Anonymous

    ***Holy Scripture is quite clear. All we have to do is believe on Him (Christ God) and we will be saved. Belief will save us.

  • melissa

    Great story! Thank you for sharing this incredible historic artifact.

  • John Kirby Hanson

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    HOW A TORNADO SAVED WASHINGTON, D.C. DURING THE WAR OF 1812

    Dec 19, 2011 by Dan Doyle, Vietnam Veteran

    Sometimes strange, unaccountable things happen, and because of them, the course of history is changed. This is the story of a natural disaster that helped stop a potential tragedy that would certainly have changed the course of history in ways that we don’t even want to think of, certainly not as Americans.

    The time was August 24, 1814. The place was Washington, D.C. and it was the second year of an on again-off again war between the young American democracy and its old nemesis, Britain. This second war with Britain began in 1812 as the result of Britain’s failure to honor its treaty obligations from the end of the Revolutionary War, where they had agreed to give up certain western territories in the Americas, along with the original thirteen colonies. They had not yet done so. They were also engaging in naval terrorism by taking some American merchant ships and illegally conscripting their crews to fight on British ships. The British had recently defeated Napoleon at the Battle of Trafalgar and were now able to send more battle seasoned troops to do battle with the upstart Americans.

    Previously, the war had been a series of minor engagements. In 1814 the British sailed up Chesapeake Bay with a large naval fleet and marines to attack Baltimore and Washington, D.C. To the south, British forces proceeded to Blandensburg, Maryland where they overwhelmed the American volunteers. This left the route to Washington, D.C. wide open. President James Madison was present at the battle to witness the U.S. military in combat. He retreated to Virginia, just outside of the Capitol. His wife, Dolly Madison, supervised the abandonment of the White House, saving everyone, as well as Gilbert’s famous full length portrait of George Washington in the process.

    August 24, 1814 was one of those very hot, humid, dog-days of late summer that are still quite common in D.C. today. The temperature hovered around 100 degrees when the British forces entered the city. Off in the distance, the skies were growing angry and dark with an impending thunder storm.

    British forces found the White House dining room set for a formal dinner and sat down to devour the hastily abandoned meal themselves. After sating their hunger they proceeded to set fire to the White House. British troops also set fire to the then unfinished Capitol Building, and several other government edifices, as well as some military targets. While they were engaged in these efforts, the force and power of a violent thunderstorm rushed down upon the city with its terrible thunder, lightning, and torrential rains. This was a particularly fierce storm, more mean than the common thunderstorms of August.

    Then a monstrous tornado descended suddenly from the tumultuous skies. It is said that it was one of the most destructive tornado events in history up to that time. Some say it may have actually been two tornados. The raging funnel tore through the city. It ripped huge trees up by their roots tumbling them across roads. It lifted entire buildings off of their foundations and set them down yards away. It also tossed some of the British heavy cannons up into the air like tin toys. One officer, who refused to dismount his horse, was unceremoniously, along with his horse, lifted up and violently dashed to the ground. It is said that more British soldiers were killed that day by that storm than by the American military forces. The rains that came with the storm were so heavy that they doused the flames that the British had set in many of the Capitol buildings.

    The British had hoped that the destruction of the Capitol would demoralize the Americans. Instead, the American populace was outraged and thousands of men volunteered to help defend Baltimore against the further British invasion efforts. The Americans successfully repelled every British attack for the remainder of the war.

  • Barbara J. Britt

    This is the wrong horse also. Washington rode a chestnut horse into battle named Nelson. Blueskin he used for parades he was too spooky for battle. This record is kept at Mount Vernon. I was told this the last time I went to Mount Vernon in August of 2010. I have a reproduction hanging in my horse barn office

  • Tom Robinson

    God bless you Sir, you have expressed exactly what has been in my heart as well in search of the TRUTH. As you Sir, I have come to the exact same conclusions. I appreciate Mr. Beck and his search for historical accuracy and his true patriotism as evident in his conservative values and study of American History, but wish he would search the scriptures further. There is true salvation in the Lord. There are also as well many seducing spirits in the last days who teach others “departing from the faith”. I appreciate your study to come to the truth of grace and faith, and only wish that I can express it as well in the Love of Christ as you have Sir -God Bless you-

  • Anonymous

    I find it amazing that you would think that Glenn Beck, who researches things exhaustively, would not do the same with the subject that is most important and dear to his heart. That is truly unbelievable. Beck has spoken about his path to salvation and how he has been saved, how he is alive because of the atonement of Christ. God knows Beck’s heart and my heart and yours. Lets leave things in His very capable hands.

  • Anonymous

    My ancestral grandfather was at valley forge and never deserted. I plan on making every effort to know everything about the history there. I thank Glenn for his history lessons that have set me on this path.

  • Cory Wilcox

    the fact is he prayed and we all should pray for our country and leaders locally and nationally to get it right some how it maters for all

  • Chris Drella

    Ummm yeah, Jefferson was a slave owner.

  • Chris Drella

    So was Washington, Jackson, and many others. To deny the negative aspects of history is no worse than denying the positives.

  • Warren Throckmorton

    Deism was not just the clockmaker God analogy. Deism is primarily a belief that God can be known via nature and natural law independent of special revelation. However, focusing on deism is irrelevant to the facts of the Isaac Potts story. I believe Washington was basically an honest man but I don’t believe he chopped down a cherry tree and couldn’t lie about it.

  • Lynn J Bulwinkle

    Thank you for all the positive facts you have written and I am so thankful that you are a brother in Christ. I know what you have written it is all truth. and I admire you for sharing with others who are spirit blinded. I am so sorry for anyone who cannot seem to believe and receive the gift of Eternal Life. Do they not realize that they will also have eternal life but they won’t spend it in heaven with Jesus and believers? It is so sad. I pray that the blindness of their spiritual eyes will be opened and they can receive the truth. I have prayed for Glen Beck’s salvation since the first time I learned that he is Mormon. I will continue to do so. I appreciate you and ask the Lord to bless you and continue to use you. Brother, I wish you and your family a very blessed Christmas. Eternally His, Lynn

  • Lynn J Bulwinkle

    Mr. Hollywoodron, when you prayed that God is merciful and Christ saves you, I would like to say that God is indeed merciful and His mercies are new every morning. You prayed that Christ would save you. Mr. Hollywoodron, I am happy to tell you that you are now a member of the family of God and you are my brother in Christ. Wanting
    Christ to save you and writing your prayer is evidence that you are just been saved. Jesus died for you and He loves you more than all your loved ones put together. I am so happy that you have become a Christ Follower. Have a blessed Christmas!

  • Anonymous

    Did he deny that Jefferson was a slave owner? No, I believe what Lee Sackett was trying to point out is that people try to discount the value of of Jefferson’s contributions to our nation based on the fact that he was a slave owner. In other words, it is the mentality that state, “Who cares what Thomas Jefferson think, he was just a rich white slave owner.” That mentality is foolish because it is a mentality that discounts good based on one perceived bad. Two, it does not take into context the time of Jefferson and three, it ignores the fact that he let all his slaves go at his death. Honestly, it was probably better for his slaves at that time to be under him than potential other people. Lee, I am sorry if I misinterpreted you.

  • Anonymous

    SO what, there were very few wealthy men who did not own slaves at tat time. These men did not start slavery it was a part of their time. I am sick of people acting as if we Americans should be ashamed of our history….The very first slave owner in the Americas was a black man, you can thank British ran courts that made it legal here in the first place.

  • Anonymous

    it’s funny that you absolutely know the truth when not one person alive today really does. There are no records of the number of dead from that storm. We do know that storm killed people and to this date is the only tornado of the 8 that has graced D.C. to have killed anyone, we just do not have a definitive number. That storm was very much real and happened the 25th. That storm did push the British away from their occupation of D.C. and in effect did save what was left of our capital. Not only had British troops set fire to public buildings, so had American troops. British Occupation of D.C. only lasted 26 hours, not even long enough for the buildings they set ablaze to finish burning to the ground. My point here Homer, is please before you try to jump on someone claiming they are speaking in “Historical Inaccuracies” please make sure you follow suit and practice what you preach.

  • Lee Sackett

    Was owning slaves in that time, illegal?
    The men you mentioned above, including Jefferson, were instrumental in word and deed to write and live the Constitution that now has been fully implemented to give the “black men and women” ALL the freedoms that we have today.
    Are you a parent? If you are, would you sacrifice your life for the benefit of your future generations? I would and I did! There are parts of my body deformed from protecting such freedoms. But my children and grandchildren live in a FREE nation because of my willingness to sacrifice.
    Yet they also know my “dark years.” The times in my life where I’ve not been the “perfect person.” They have forgiven me of such wrong times. For they have always known my heart.
    May I dare say, that the generations of “blacks” living in America today, and you, should not dwell on the “dark years” of those who were not “perfect?” Rather rejoice in the facts that such sacrifices were made to change the wrongs done so long ago. For IF the black race could see the evil that fellow black family members live with today in the countries their ancestors came from, they would be ALL the more forgiving of those who “fathered our country” in spite of their few “dark years”…. as my children are of me. :)
    Thank you for your response! Lee

  • Lee Sackett

    LOL… you’re fine! I just wonder what “sins” we are committing today that will be viewed as “atrocities” by our decedents 200 years from now? :)
    For what we as parents accept in moderation today, our children will indulge in excess tomorrow.
    I just think that pulling out one “negative” in a person is truly the sign of a very “unhappy” and “low” self-esteemed person! I generally find such people have inner “dark sides” of their own lives that need the company other peoples “wrongs!” it makes them feel better about their own faults and falsely covers or hides their own guilt! :)

  • Lee Sackett

    I mentioned to her that todays’ children of yesterdays’ “slaves,” are far better off then the “todays” children living in the country of their ancestors. What the people she so damned may have been guilty of in her view, wrote the words and performed the deeds that give them the same freedoms our fellow black friends have now…. equal to ALL of us! :)

  • Kal Boyington

    I grew up in King of Prussia PA. I used to go to Valley Forge Park to fish, to hike, to just get away. Mostly to remember why we are a great nation and how it was made possible! Sorry Glenn, I knew that little error long ago! But I have walked where Washington walked, I have slept in his home as an Eagle Scout. Valley Forge, Gettysburg, Philadelphia, Boston these are the city’s and the events in them that were the birth places and battles for freedom. Sadly, it has been forgotten, and soon may be lost to a foreign usurper who took us down in less than four years without firing a single shoot! Our enemy is now apathy! November 2014 mid-term elections must go GOP or independent to return the majority to we the people, or all I fear is lost!

  • Sir Lamont Rodeheaver

    Cyndlou, do you believe that there is more than one God?

  • Sir Lamont Rodeheaver

    Lynn, thank you for your encouragement.

  • Sir Lamont Rodeheaver

    Thank you, Tom. God bless you too my brother.

  • Anonymous

    absolutely not – there are many false gods but there is only one true God

  • Anonymous

    The LDS do don’t they? That’s why you ask?

  • Sir Lamont Rodeheaver

    Cormac, I know that the statistics show that it usually takes, on average, 7 years for someone to leave the LDS faith. But if it was based on miracles due to work, what did the paralytic do in order for Christ to heal him (miracle)? Nothing, but believe He could. Same with the lame, the blind, and the female that touched His garment and so on.

    On another note, Does satan have the power to perform miracles? Revelation 13:14,16:14 and 19:20 says he could. The devil disguises himself as an angel of light… I know you’ve read that before. It’s not only 2 Corinthians 11:14, but it is also similar to what you may read in chapter 1 of Joseph Smith – History in the back portion of your quad.

  • Sir Lamont Rodeheaver

    Thank you, Sam… it’s all a sounding gong if not done in love.

  • Sir Lamont Rodeheaver

    Hillplus, I agree. God knows our hearts, but let’s not overlook the details. Beck admits “he knew” he found his home, when his daughter said she felt so “warm” (warm feeling) after their first service.

    I know it would be hard for me to not go somewhere my daughter felt good being. As a father we will go to extremes at times to please our little girls.

  • Sir Lamont Rodeheaver

    The LDS believe that there is three Gods (on this earth).

    Joseph Smith taught, “I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods. If this is in accordance with the New Testament, lo and behold! we have three Gods anyhow, and they are plural: and who can contradict it!” Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, page 371

    It continues on page 372, saying, ” Many men say there is one God; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are only one God! I say that is a strange God anyhow—three in one, and one in three!… It would make the biggest God in all the world. He would be a wonderfully big God—he would be a giant or a monster.”

    Not to mention that Mormons believe they can becomes gods. Page 345 in The Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith states, “I will go back to the beginning before the world was, to show what kind of being God is.” It continues in paragraph 2, “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man.” Continuing he says, “for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see.”

    On page 346, he says, “he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth.” LDS President Lorenzo Snow, in June of 1840, declared, “As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become.”

  • Mark Catena

    Slavery was started by Democrats, end of story.

  • Anonymous

    I had heard that they are working towards becoming god’s themselves. With Mitt as a potential president last year, I looked a little – not very deep though. My husband and I were baptized again in the Name of Jesus – and Jesus alone because it is through His blood we are saved and to be baptized in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit insinuates that they are three not one – Despite the fact that Jesus Christ tells the disciples in Matthew to go out into all the world baptizing them in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, in Acts, they baptize in the name of Jesus and that was the way it was done until the Catholic church made radical changes to baptism at the Council of Nicaea and eliminated the need for Christ’s Blood all together. Let’s go straight from blood birth to Water birth and skip that whole Salvation thing all together and separate God the Father from God the Son and from God the Holy Ghost and acknowledge all three separately. They are not separate, they are the Godhead – the trinity is no where in the Bible – it was made up by the Catholic Church. He is but One God no different than the fact that I am a daughter, a mother and a wife – not three different people but three in one.

  • Sir Lamont Rodeheaver

    This is a great page to see the Christian view on the Godhead and why we believe what we believe.

    http://carm.org/dictionary-trinity

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the info- looking forward to searching the scriptures they provided – I still prefer Godhead over Trinity though – There is a demand in Revelation that says “come out of her” referring to the harlot aka the Catholic Church – so if the Catholics say something should be a certain way, I search the scriptures and see what it has to say and that is what I strive to mold my thoughts, feelings and being to and Colossians makes reference to the Godhead – no where is trinity used in the Word of God.

  • Anonymous

    I also must say, you have brought a very controversial presence to this blog with the upmost respect and it has carried. I have not sensed any aggression in anyone’s comments – something rare when it comes to these matters and forum.

  • Sir Lamont Rodeheaver

    Cyndlou, I hear your stance and see your points. I am not Catholic, however, I caution on throwing the baby out with the bath water. I’m saying you are doing that; I’m just saying I’m always cautious.

    Following are other words that the Bible does not use but the concepts are mentioned:

    - Atheism is the teaching that there is no God. “The fool has said in his heart, ‘There is no God’” (Psalm 14:1).(see atheism)
    - Divinity which means divine quality or godlike character. Yet, we speak of the godlike quality of the Lord God. See Psalm 139.
    - Incarnation which means the word (God) who became flesh. Yet, this is definitely taught in the Bible (John 1:1,14).
    - Monotheism is the teaching that there is only one God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:8).
    - Rapture is the teaching that the Christians who are alive when Jesus returns will be caught up to meet Him in the air (1 Thess. 4:16-18).

    God bless, Cyndlou. Have a great day. It’s awesome to see that you don’t just settle to except.

  • Jerry Sutton

    Sir =? God the Father is Perfect. The Holy Ghost is Perfect. Jesus Christ is Perfect. Perfection means they would agree with whatever the other said or thought. Jesus tells us to be perfect as His Father in Heaven is Perfect. If we are Perfect, we will be ONE with Them yet still individuals.

  • Jerry Sutton

    God the Father is Perfect. The Holy Ghost is Perfect. Jesus Christ is
    Perfect. Perfection means they would agree with whatever the other said
    or thought. Jesus tells us to be perfect as His Father in Heaven is
    Perfect. If we are Perfect, we will be ONE with Them, yet still
    individuals. Beware of destroying anyone’s faith in Christ no matter what sect or lack of sect. Mark chapter 9 verses 38 -42

  • Jerry Sutton

    Jesus said be perfect even as your Father in Heaven is Perfect

  • Jerry Sutton

    If i were of African ancestry, I would thank God my ancestors were captured and brought to America and not be living in the Dark Continent today.

  • Socialism is Organized Evil

    The paradox of equality recognizes that, since each of us is different, the only way to equalize us would be to treat each of us unequally.

  • Sir Lamont Rodeheaver

    I am perfect in my position in Christ. God also said in Isaiah 43:10-11, 44:6, 44:8, 45:5, and 45:21.

    The Trinity is a doctrine arrived at systematically (by looking at the whole of scripture), not by looking at a single verse.

    What law of logic is it that the doctrine of the Trinity violates?

  • Sir Lamont Rodeheaver

    Thank you Cyndlou. I try and keep Paul’s encouragement in mind. “If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.”

    God bless you.

  • Anonymous

    The idea that there is more than one God is not new. The fact is that I, as a “Mormon,” do not worship more than one God. It is God the Father and I do so in the name of Christ the Savior.

    In the most simple terms… Think of it this way, God the Father demands justice and cannot exist as “God” if he allows mercy to overcome justice. Since we have all sinned, then none of us can be allowed to receive mercy from God… Yet bring in the Mediator who pays my price for sin, then you bring in the ability for God to insist on Justice, yet still allow mercy through Jesus Christ. Now I owe my salvation to Jesus Christ and Him alone.

    With this fact well defined, nobody can tell me that Mormons are not Christian. In fact we are taught these simple principles in our youth (just not… in the past, how to explain them). If everyone understands these simple principles, then few could argue that Christianity doesn’t have the best solution to the world’s issues and hopefully convert to Him.