‘Remember the principles not the politics’: Glenn reflects on the life of Nelson Mandela

EDITOR’S NOTE: Due to inclement weather in Dallas, Glenn asked his staff to stay home this today as he broadcasted his radio program from home. As a result, no video clips will be available from Friday’s radio show. You can listen to the entire radio show HERE. The story below is a recap of one the radio segments.

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Glenn opened the radio program this morning by reflecting on the life of Nelson Mandela. While Mandela is lauded as a peaceful hero of the civil rights movement, he was once a communist revolutionary. After spending 27 years in prison, Mandela had a decision to make: Would he tear a nation apart with violence or forge a different path?

“Well I want to start with Nelson Mandela today. Nelson Mandela is a guy – I couldn’t disagree with his politics more,” Glenn said. “Nelson Mandela is a guy – who before I actually went to South Africa – I don’t know if I had such a good feeling about Nelson Mandela mainly because the people he has surrounded himself with.”

Mandela counted communist revolutionaries and dictators among his friends. From Fidel Castro to Muammar Gaddafi to his own wife Winnie, the people Mandela surrounded himself with did not demonstrate the same sense of compassion and peace that he seemed to espouse. Mandela became a political icon, and it was that status that muddied the waters of who he actually was.

“Show me your friends, and I’ll show you your future. Show me you friends, and I can tell your character. If you’re surrounded by dirt bags, you are most likely a dirt bag. Like minds attract each other,” Glenn explained. “Nelson Mandela had been so politicized… It’s like this President. You don’t know what’s true or not. You have no idea who the man really is because for political purposes they will make anybody into anything… So for many reasons I didn’t know who Nelson Mandela was.”

It was during a trip to South Africa in the summer of 2011 that Glenn’s opinion of Mandela as a person (not as a political figure) began to change.

“I got to go to South Africa, and I spent two days with a remarkable man – one of the richest men in the world and the biggest philanthropist in South Africa, but nobody knows it,” Glenn said. “I am not sure how many people know the role he played in the peace in South Africa.”

While he was in the country, Glenn got a better sense of what the situation was like on the ground. It was there he learned the choice Mandela faced.

“When Nelson Mandela went into prison he had a choice,” Glenn said. “He had the choice of becoming that angry, communist revolutionary, or still live by his communist principle but be a man of peace. I haven’t seen communists that are peaceful… except for Nelson Mandela.”

“Nelson Mandela was a man who when he was released could have torn that country apart. With just a raised fist he could have raced a nation into bloodshed,” he continued. “Nelson Mandela had a reason to be angry. Nelson Mandela had a reason to tear a country apart. Nelson Mandela had the philosophy of a revolutionary. But Nelson Mandela, in the end, got down on his bended knees in front of the opposition leader in private – literally on his knees – and said, ‘Please, please no bloodshed. Please, please for the sake of peace, let’s come together and find a way.’”

When Mandela was released from prison, he found himself in a very powerful position, and yet he chose a path few men have the courage to. He chose the peaceful path.

“I came away from South Africa with a great deal of respect for Nelson Mandela – again, not for his policies but for his principles,” Glenn explained. “Principles are something we can agree on. I have a great deal of respect for somebody who has reason to choose another path and doesn’t… NM decided to unite people. He decided he could walk away from the power. The uniting principles – those were the important things.”

There are a lot of powerful quotes attributed to Mandela, and Glenn’s personal favorite came from Mandela’s time in prison. He was known to sit and write each night after spending his days doing hard labor, and these words are now on display at the Apartheid Museum:

People tend to measure themselves by external accomplishments, but jail allows a person to focus on internal ones; such as honesty, sincerity, simplicity, humility, generosity and an absence of variety. You learn to look into yourself.

“I don’t want to have to go to jail to be allowed to focus on my eternal qualities and accomplishments,” Glenn said. “ I would ask if you were to take anything away from Nelson Mandela it would be this: Who are you? Why are you here? What is it you’ll be remembered for?”

“You’ll remember what that man did. And that man stood against all odds with anger as the most handy tool,” Glenn concluded. “But he reached above that bottom shelf and reached for love. He united a country. Take that from Nelson Mandela. Leave his politics behind.”

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Sam Fisher

    You got to give Mandela this he was a man of peace.

  • northierthanthou.com

    Nothing like dismissing a man while pretending to respect him. Glenn is, as usual, completely out of his depth, and completely disingenuous in all respects.

  • Anonymous

    If Mandela was a man of peace that preached forgiveness and reconciliation why is South Africa such a hellhole of violence and one of the most dangerous places to be White ?? is it fair to judge him on the real condition of his country and not on rhetoric and intentions ?

  • Stephan Bruno

    Glenn trying to have it both ways again.

  • Nastytater

    Did you even bother to read and understand Glenn’s post? Talking about out of Depth.

  • landofaahs

    I didn’t follow Mandela’s whole career so I will take everyone’s word for what he did. I only know that if he was a uniter, he is the opposite of Obama the divider.

  • Jim Wyche

    It is almost impossible to forget all those who were tortured and murdered at the behest of this man of peace. He was a communist and a terrorist who “necklaced” over 800 people; put gasoline filled tires around their necks and set them afire. What a man of peace. He lauded Castro and Khadafy and many more terrorists and called Cuba his second home; a man of peace, my wrinkled behind.

  • Anonymous

    This is bothersome for me. Growing up in the 70′s and 80′s I learned this guy was a terrorist. Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher both had him on the terrorist list and he was not allowed into the US until 2008. Here is an excellent article about his history. http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/12/nelson-mandela-media-fawns-though-marxist-terrorist/
    What I don’t get is how Glenn condemns Bill Ayers (and others) for his terrorism but gives Mandela a pass? Maybe if Glenn sat down with Mr. Ayers he would find him likable too? Who knows? I am not giving Ayers a pass and neither do I give Mandela a pass. I have no doubt there are some good things that can be said about Mandela and could probably say the same thing for a lot of people that have violent histories. Seems like everything is swept under the rug.

  • Charlene Albertson

    If I remember correctly Mandella reached out to the US as did Mao but we dissed Mao over Chankischek (sp) as we did to Mandella. So Mandella reached out to the Russians and other communists and such both he and those other regimes have been used to further the communist agenda against the US. Now in his old age he was able to wax philosophical and preach peace. He is not blameless in the bloodshed that has occurred there and there is lots of violence continuing today, especially black against white, due to the negative influence of communist propaganda. Not working out real well as far as I can see. His politics stunk, but in old age sometimes we grow up and the angst decreases and we see forgiveness for ourselves and others,

  • NomoreGlennBeck

    I’ve lost all respect for you now Glenn!
    You used to be a man of principle but now, just another entertainer doing whatever it takes to hang on to your last vestiges of relevancy.

  • http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm snowleopard (cat folk gallery)

    Yes indeed, he choose to avoid the path to bloodshed and to tyranny, and has shown a way to peace in South Africa. Now it will be up to his successors to decide to follow his path, or descend into tyranny.

  • James Tomlin

    I don’t think Beck has made to many happy on this issue , however those followers of his that don’t have a clue will agree with whatever he says .

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  • Anonymous

    They’re not paid to read…just to post derogatory comments on this site.

  • Jon Dykstra

    Peter Hammond to Nelson Mandela:

    “You have replaced apartheid with abortion and abortion is worse. You have replaced discrimination on the basis of race with discrimination on the basis of age. And you’re not just limiting where this child can live, or which voters’ roll this child can be on. You are taking away this child’s right to life.”

    http://youtu.be/Wgtx6-lQYVc

  • Anonymous

    I disagree on Mandela Glenn. Nelson Mandela was a puppet of the British diamond and platinum corporations of Thatcher all the way to Cameron. For the left in the Netherlands Sweden France etc he was what Obama is today to them. A saint without any political substance. He played King for the socialists with fancy words.

    Mandela in reality was a murderer who trained in camp Quatro his murderers in his terror organization Umkhonto we Siswe how to murder their way to power.

    Today the Mandela saint of the international socialists is on his way to hell with his favorite rubber tire as a necklace around his neck burning to meet Arafat and Gadafi.

    The international socialists have no saint left anymore.

  • Take 2

    I am not all sure about the fuss over Mandela. Same for communist Obama. Just sayn.

  • Anonymous

    Yes Mandela was a revolutionary, but many of you seem to be forgetting what apartheid South Africa really was like. It was a brutally oppressive country to everyone who was not white, even worse than the Jim Crow South. This was the type of environment Mandela was living in where he was being oppressed on the same land of his ancestors. I ask you how is Mandela any different than George Washington and the founding fathers who were also revolutionaries against British oppression. I knew if I was in Mandela’s situation I would become a revolutionary as well and you know what I probably would hate white people too. But after spending 27 years in prison (to put it in perspective Mandela began his prison sentence in 1962 the same year my father was born and was released in 1990 the same year I was born) much of it in solitary confinement Mandela showed true character by rising above all the hate. He had every right to be hateful but he wasn’t, and he had every right to declare war on South Africa’s whites but he didn’t. Mandela became communist because the U.S. refused to help him fight apartheid and in fact for many years the U.S. supported apartheid South Africa which is a shame. Unfortunately Russia, Cuba, Ghaddafi, and even Che Gueverra was more anti-apartheid than the U.S. This is why Mandela became communist and again can you blame him?

  • Anonymous

    South Africa is another example of how all of Africa has become. All of these areas of any wealth at all in Africa were brought about by the English coming in and “colonizing” and turned what was basically a waste land into fertile farms and a growing society .Yes all that was done on the backs of many of the natives in the area . That was the way things were done in them days. Before large machinery was invented. That in turn brought in millions of the blacks to do the work that was needed . You would think all the good goes all around. It did ….for a while till their “Community organizers” come around. Then there was 1000s to one and the rest is history. Now a lot of those places are hog wallows compared to what they used to be. But at least the land is back in the “rightful” owners hands.

  • Anonymous

    Yes Mandela was a revolutionary, but many of you seem to be forgetting what apartheid South Africa really was like. It was a brutally oppressive country to everyone who was not white, even worse than the Jim Crow South. This was the type of environment Mandela was living in where he was being oppressed on the same land of his ancestors. I ask you how is Mandela any different than George Washington and the founding fathers who were also revolutionaries against British oppression. I knew if I was in Mandela’s situation I would become a revolutionary as well and you know what I probably would hate white people too. But after spending 27 years in prison (to put it in perspective Mandela began his prison sentence in 1962 the same year my father was born and was released in 1990 the same year I was born) much of it in solitary confinement Mandela showed true character by rising above all the hate. He had every right to be hateful but he wasn’t, and he had every right to declare war on South Africa’s whites but he didn’t. Mandela became communist because the U.S. refused to help him fight apartheid and in fact for many years the U.S. supported apartheid South Africa which is a shame. Unfortunately Russia, Cuba, Ghaddafi, and even Che Gueverra was more anti-apartheid than the U.S. This is why Mandela became communist and again can you blame him?

  • Elroy Hatfield

    Mandela
    is a Communist and convicted Murder , South Africa has the highest
    murder rate on the PLANET BY FAR …….. shame on you GLEN BECK

  • Anonymous

    GB:”You’ll remember what that man did. And that man stood against all odds with anger as the most handy tool,” Glenn concluded. “But he reached above that bottom shelf and reached for love. He united a country. Take that from Nelson Mandela. Leave his politics behind.”

    Glenn should talk to some of the people who lived under Mandela’s Reign of Terror to see what life was really like before calling Mandela a uniter.

    I knew white people who lived there and moved away because they feared for their lives.

    I received this in an email today of a first hand experience of life in SA. “They told me that white ppl don’t even stop at intersections in fear
    of being looted and shot. **** was stopped twice and had to beg for his life from two pre-teens who held a loaded gun on the side of his head. How whites are treated there is way worse than how blacks were treated under apartied. Funny about that old ‘reverse discrimination’ thingy … and the absenceof the story in the media!!”

    This is Mandela’s legacy – he divided, not united a country, something Glenn rails on about what Obama is doing.

    Glenn’s friend David Horowitz summed up Mandela best:

    “Mandela began as a terrorist and never turned his back on monsters like Arafat and Castro, whom he considered brothers in arms.

    When he was released from prison by deKlerk, he showed unexpected statesmanship,counseling,reconciliation rather than revenge,no small achievement in a country in which the liberation”movement (led by Mandela’s wife and party) placed oil filled inner tubes around the necks of former comrades and set them on fire.

    But if a leader should be judged by his works,the country Mandela left behind is an indictment of his political career,not an achievement worthy of praise –let alone the unhinged adoration he is currently receiving across the political spectrum.

    South Africa todayis the murder capital ofthe world, a nationwhere a woman israped every 30 seconds, often byAIDs carriers who gounpunished, andwhere whites are anything but thecitizens of a
    democratic country,which honors the principles ofequality andfreedom. LiberatedSouth Africa is oneof those epic messes the left created and
    promptly forgot about.”

    I am a staunch Glenn Beck fan but part ways with him over his assessment of Mandela.

  • Adam Gale

    How many children would you have necklaced in the name of “freedom”?

  • Jeff Noncent

    Why do we even talk about Nelson he is a communist same with the president of the United State?

  • Kevin Martindale

    Really Glen? Obama is looking for another yes man. You should fit right in, knowing the history of Mandela and then writing this conciliatory piece of crap. I am feeling very disillusioned right now.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t really have an opinion on the guy, mostly because I don’t know enough about him and what he’s done but I have noticed a lot of differences of opinions. Some say he was bad and some say he was good. Everyone has a right to their opinion weather we agree with it or not.

    Actually I do have an opinion. He’s dead, move on. We have more important things to worry about….

  • Anonymous

    How many children were murdered by Apartheid’s brutal police force, gunned down on TV for the world to see just because they were protesting South Africa’s violent regime. How many?

  • John Marston

    how many people did Americans tar and feather in the name of freedom?

  • Arizona Freedom

    Glen is delusional like Obama, apparently he has gone to the other side, I don’t listen to his rederick anymore. You would think he works for Obama keeping people entertained as he puts it. Does not even come close to the real issues going on in this world. Just getting rich like the rest of them .. ever been to his site and get bombarded with advertisements let along get spammed to a nth degree. Yea, Glen Beck is one of them now.

  • Anonymous

    I do know a little about the guy. I recognized that because of him the people of SA were liberated, and then he did the opposite that BHO has done. He was humble & work hard to unite his people & didn’t show any evil toward his oppressors to avoid divisiveness. On the other hand, Mr Mandela was a Communist & praised Communist Dictators such as Fidel Castro, Chavez, etc.

  • PatrioticDissent

    By this logic we should be giving terrorist Bill Ayers props too for dropping the radical pose for the radical ends. Fail Glenn, so disappointed.

  • John Marston

    Abortion was his weakest point in the video. He turned it from a political debate into a Christian dogma rant. No wonder Mandela wanted to end the conversation.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve heard good and bad about the guy. To be honest, I just don’t care what he was and I don’t understand why people bicker over it…..it’s just not worth it to me…..

  • John Marston

    Mandela supported the de-Christianization of South Africa, as can be seen in his support for the legalization of homosexuality and abortion. However, in 2001, two years after he left office, census data revealed that 79% of the population was Christian. It seems like a bit of a stretch to blame the man who opposed Christianization for the state of a primarily Christian nation.

  • Anonymous

    Man of peace? Necklacing, anyone?

  • Jon Dykstra

    Why is that a weak point? Apartheid dehumanizes people but, for the most part, lets them live. Abortion dehumanizes people in order to kill them.

  • Anonymous

    Tar and feather = set somebody on fire? Seriously?

  • Anonymous

    I cannot speak for Mandela one way or another. However, Jim I ask you to take a moment and remember St. Paul, who not only rejected Jesus, but persecuted and murdered followers of Jesus. He had a profound experience that changed his way of thinking and his way of life. Paul changed from being a murdering terrorist to a peace loving apostle of Christ, who devoted the rest of his life to spreading the good news of Jesus’ resurrection.

  • Anonymous

    Very similar to Glenn’s own life story. Wasn’t Glenn once a good for nothing drunk? A destitute young man? Well, look at him today….making millions off his followers. It is like the hardball leftists who praise Obama as the best president ever. So do Glenn’s followers believe only HE tells the truth. And why is Glenn shifting with the way the wind blows?

  • Jon Dykstra

    If we are going to condemn violence, then let’s condemn violence. No one here is trying to say that the apartheid regime wasn’t brutal and murderous. What is being pointed out is that Mandela was also brutal and murderous. And he should not be celebrated as if he were another Mother Teresa.

  • Anonymous

    Mandela should have been killed years ago to prevent him killing so many

  • PatriotToday

    You don’t understand what being tarred and feathered was. I think I’d rather have a tire necklace.

  • nutt

    His resistance to oppression was violent, but that was an ultimate necessity. When given the choice between violence or peace, he chose the latter. South Africa has a long way to go; but it’s come very far in a short space of time. As Snowleopard says, his successors still have a huge task ahead of them; but at least they have a good example of how to progress.

  • soybomb315

    They hate Mandela for fighting fire with fire but they love GW Bush for killing hundred times more over false wars and unnecessary occupations.

  • Crassus

    Didn’t take these Paultards long to bring Bush into the debate, did it?

  • Crassus

    As with most liberal icons, Mandela’s legend trumps the reality of his life. So it goes with his obituary where the media (both liberal and conservative) is printing the legend instead of the truth. Just like in that old Western movie with Jimmy Stewart and John Wayne.

  • Dwayne McHottie

    But he did tear South Africa apart, South Africa is almost as violent as Chicago!!!

  • TedT

    I understand who Saul was before he became Paul, but Mandela never changed…just his PR machine that the global press swallowed hook, line and sinker.

  • soybomb315

    You have to speak at the common level….As republicans know about Bush, it is relate-able.

  • Anonymous

    And what I’m pointing out is this is what Mandela was up against. Again he was a revolutionary, a freedom fighter. Any one who really supported freedom would have supported Mandela. Mandela was at war with apartheid, a war he could have continued after he was released but he didn’t. He renounced all violence after his release which fortunately he did because many black South Africans wanted vengeance. Mandela probably saved millions of lives because he was so respected and revered by the majority of black South Africans that they did not take up arms against the whites out of respect for Mandela’s wishes for the future of the country. This is what makes Mandela so admirable in my opinion, that he was willing to forgive and break bread with his oppressors.

  • Anonymous

    Get real guys…
    25 years ago, the Blacks in SA had the highest levels of education and the highest standard of living by far of any country in Africa. Indeed they lived better than any blacks in the world except the USA. In fact their big problem was the large number of illegal immigrants flooding into the country from the north…to get jobs… much like Americas problem today with illegal immigrants from central America.
    Mandela was an astute and crafty politician. He could preach reconciliation and forgiveness, while at the same time turning his back on the huge persecution and oppression of today’s whites. In the past 17 years over 2300 whites have been murdered and their land stolen from them. It is illegal for the papers to report black on white crime. They don’t want the world to discover what is really going on. Whites can ONLY get jobs when there are no blacks who are remotely qualified. Large ghettos of displaced, unemployed and impoverished whites exist today … ignored by the media. …living only on the charity of other whites. I recently met a diesel mechanic who had been here for only 3 years. He said he had weekly contact with his friends and relatives back home…. and described in detail the horrific plight of many modern day whites.
    Such is the legacy of Mandela. As the whites leave, S.Africa will slowly gradually inevitably descend into the cesspool of human degradation we find in virtually every other country in Africa today. C’est la vie.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, yes I do, and you did not die from it. It was intended to humiliate not kill. Necklacing burned people alive, 100% of the time. If you actually understood the two, you wouldn’t pine for necklacing. Period.

  • MAXI-TAXI

    Mandela was a terrorist and as such could not enter USA until 2008 when G.W.Bush changed that only because Mandela was 90 years old !
    Mandela’s boys keeled thousands of white farmers in S.Africa and blacks as well. People , do your homework , stop drinking Cool-aid .

  • Anonymous

    Topic for discussion:

    George Washington was a violent revolutionary who fought against an oppressive regime. He was a slave owner and signed into law the Fugitive Slave Act which was surely an evil law. He is revered as a great man.

    Nelson Mandela was a violent revolutionary who fought against an oppressive regime. He was a Communist who found allies in some wicked people. He is revered as a great man.

    How do we decide how we judge these historical figures? How do we measure their relative greatness or iniquity? Do the bad aspects of their characters outweigh the good, or vice versa?

    Personally I think Glenn Beck is full of malarkey on most things, but I’ll give him some credit for the above monologue: at least he seems to be trying to arrive at a coherent approach which admits of ambiguity. What do you all think?

  • Anonymous

    I have never understood how abortion is a “Christian Dogma” issue. What does opposing the needles taking of life have to do with religion. Basic human morality ought to suffice as an argument against that.

  • rich

    you are correct Jim , I’m Afraid MR. Beck is a victim of his own wealth
    , tripping in Jets staying in posh hotels and dinning with the elite .
    Meanwhile with his heads in the cloud he can forget the segregation
    against whites that go on today , and the murdering of white farmers
    …. Glenn Beck is disappointing now a days .. He is interested in
    Ratings not the truth . Mr Beck if it was a Democrat , or Van Jones , he would be screaming the Means is not justified by the end results .

  • Anonymous

    The man spent time in prison and reformed his beliefs on violence. Furthermore why do you attack someone attempting to do the same as our Forefathers did in his own country? We fought for our freedom, same as Mandela did for his country. I’m all for providing facts to add context but the contrarian nature of some of these points makes some of you look very racist.

  • rich

    yea and today ? They just had an advertisement on the Radio paid by for the Government . Looking for a Job ” Whites not need apply ” It has went from one extreme to the next … Now south Africa is ripe with Corruption and AIDS … Poverty …

  • rich

    when you say false wars , you are building a straw man Argument … Like all the Left loons always do …

  • Anonymous

    Would you be falling over yourself to make excuses for him if he was white?

  • rich

    He ordered bombings from his Jail cell … Well known fact ..

  • rich

    No he did not … While in Jail he ordered bombings that resulted in the death of innocent children and women …

  • rich

    SO I guess they are not Racists today committing genocide on white farmers ? Excluding Whites from taking Jobs ? Have you been to South Africa ? Have you heard the Radio advertisement for jobs where they proclaim ” Whites not need apply ” ?

  • Ernestine Summer Bonicelli

    It is my understanding that he was converted to Christianity and became, after that, a man of peace. The bible teaches us that genuine repentance and belief in the Lord Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on Calvary, provides salvation and eternal life. The heinousness of the sins committed is not an issue, because the greatest sin anyone can commit is to deny that Jesus’ shed blood is sufficient for our salvation. Maybe people can’t forget, but God’s word says He will remember our sins against us no more, once we have made Jesus our Savior and Lord.

  • Anonymous

    Would you have supported him if he were?

  • Ernestine Summer Bonicelli

    Amen!

  • Ernestine Summer Bonicelli

    Hog slop

  • Anonymous

    He killed innocent civilians. He admitted to giving the OK to the Church Street bombing. He was a TERRORIST.

  • Anonymous

    How do you know what he converted to? Do you have a link?

  • Anonymous

    Did Washington bomb civilians?

  • Anonymous

    South Africa was ripe with corruption and poverty even before Mandela rich, do you think everything was fine and dandy in apartheid South Africa? As for AIDS that’s a whole other story, Mandela was willing to forgive and let go, it seems that you can’t do that.

  • Anonymous

    So basically, no, you wouldn’t. His race is the only thing that matters to you. And no, if he were white, I would not excuse him for dousing people in gas, throwing tires around them, and setting them on fire.

  • Anonymous

    I will support anyone who stands up for freedom and against oppression, I would have supported Ghandi he was Indian, I was have supported Anne Frank she was Jewish, and I would have supported John Brown he was white. Also do you or anyone have any proof that Mandela personally doused people in gas and set them on fire, maybe his followers did but do you or anyone have hardcore proof that he personally did it himself. Also I’m curious what would you have done if you were a black South African during apartheid. Your opportunities were limited, you were restricted from going certain places and entering certain buildings, you had a curfew, you had to carry around identification papers at all times where ever you went and if you were stopped and don’t have these papers you were tossed in jail, the police would break down your door in the middle of the night rape and pillage and then leave you to clean up the mess, your children went to school with armed guards watching their every move which made it seem more like a prison than a school. What would YOU have done Keninmo?

  • dwok

    Was he fighting apartheid when he along with the ANC bombed movie theaters, grocery stores and cafes?

    Yes we had a bloody revolution in this country but our revolutionaries (tea party and the signers of the Declaration) were not murderers.

    Would MLK be held with the same reverence if he had fire bombed police stations during the civil rights movement? No.

    When you look at the SA of today you’re reminded of the saying “the road to hell is the paved with good intentions”.

  • dwok

    And Mandela continued after his release from prison to patronize Marxist revolutionaries and Muslim terrorists. They funneled millions into the ANC.

    Mandela is no Paul and he most certainly never met Jesus on the road to Damascus.

  • Anonymous

    You’ve got to be kidding me. That’s what you pawn off as logic? You don’t even know nearly all the victims were black and killed because they competed with the ANC, which he was the head of? Or you just lie. They had nothing to do with Apartheid. They were the equivalent of mafia hits on other gangs.

  • Johnny

    Mandela may have had an epiphany. If so he went later, he and Winnie, to cuba and shared it with his communist friend, Fidel. If that weren’t enough, Mohammar Ghaddafi in Libya hosted a few visits, too! Mandela was a Communist until the day he died. He was a fraud and a liar, much like Obama.

  • Anonymous

    Yes I am aware that many but not all of the victims were black. I’m also aware that most of those that were burned were believed to be spies of the police or the government. Yes these things happened, it’s unfortunate, but it happened nonetheless. You still haven’t given me any proof that Mandela personally committed these burnings and you still haven’t told me what you would have done if you were in the same situation as the black South Africans. You’re quick to condemn Mandela and the ANC but I have yet to see you condemn what they were fighting against which was the apartheid regime which committed far worse atrocities to many more people than the ANC.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t support Apartheid. Happy? So if you hit me with a brick,that means I’m justified to murder my neighbors? Really? You are pathetic to buy that. You probably condone terrorism as well, so long as it’s the *right* people doing it. Read the SA Reconciliation Commission investigation. Good God you go to ludicrous lengths to excuse murder. And what would I do? Prosecute my goals without murdering women and children would probably be high on the list for one thing.

  • Anonymous

    Glenn Beck has fallen for the propaganda, no matter how subtle, that has been swirling around Mandela for years. The Russians call it disinformation. Put out some story, whether is is true or false, if it can be useful in promoting whatever it is you are pushing, just as long as the enemy goes for it in the way that you like.
    If you have seen some of the movies that are shown about the whites in South Africa, getting savagely tortured by monsters, you would not be so easy on the man and the principles that he left out there.
    He was one of the two or three original founders of the ANC, and was aided by a Russian colonel named Joe Slovo, who was sent to Africa just to build a communist party .
    Someone mentioned that Mark Levin said nice things about Mandela. That is why I quit listening to national talk radio months ago. I have had my own library of information since 1960, and I get tired of some of the BS that the right wing says, although I am probably more right-wing than most of them.
    I am older than any one of them, and have been fighting communism since I was about fourteen.
    God is now dealing with Mandela, and I’ll bet that Nelson is pretty unhappy about now.

  • Guest

    Not even an example of all the horrors this man has done.

    Truth

    Beckons: Mandela:
    Communist, Terrorist, Liar: FRAUD:
    Nelson Mandela

    was the head of
    UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC

    and South African
    Communist Party. He had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of

    public violence
    including mobilizing terrorist bombing campaigns, which

    planted bombs in
    public places, including the Johannesburg railway

    station. Many
    innocent people, including women

    and children, were
    killed. Source: The State v. Nelson Mandela et al,

    Supreme Court of
    South Africa, Transvaal Provincial Division, 1963-1964,

    Indictment.

    THE ANC’S VICTIMS WERE MOSTLY CIVILIANS:

    1981 – 2 car bombs at
    Durban showrooms

    1983 – Church Street
    Bomb (killed 19, wounded 217)

    1984 – Durban car
    bomb (killed 5, wounded 27)

    1985-1987 – At least
    150 landmines on farm roads (killed 125)

    1985 – Amanzimtoti
    Sanlam shopping centre bomb Dec 23 (killed 2 white women and 3 white children)

    1986 – Magoo’s Bar
    bomb (killed 3, wounded 69)

    1986 – Newcastle
    Court bomb (wounded 24)

    1987 – Johannesburg
    Court bomb (killed 3, wounded 10)

    1987 – Wits command
    centre car bomb (killed 1, wounded 68)

    1988 – Johannesburg
    video arcade (killed 1 unborn baby, wounded 10)

    1988 – Roodepoort
    bank bomb (killed 4, wounded 18)

    1988 – Pretoria
    Police housing unit, 2 bombs (wounded 3)

    1988 – Magistrate’s
    Court bomb (killed 3)

    1988 – Benoni Wimpy
    Bar bomb (killed 1, wounded 56)

    1988 – Witbank
    shopping centre bomb (killed 2, wounded 42)

    1988 – Ellis Park
    Rugby Stadium car bomb; killed 2, wounded 37

    Late 1980s – numerous
    Wimpy Restaurant bombs (killed many, wounded many)

  • Sam

    Not even the start of all the horror’s this man has brought.

    Truth
    Beckons: Mandela: Communist, Terrorist, Liar: FRAUD: Nelson Mandela
    was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC
    and South African Communist Party. He had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of
    public violence including mobilizing terrorist bombing campaigns, which
    planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway
    station. Many innocent people, including women
    and children, were killed. Source: The State v. Nelson Mandela et al,
    Supreme Court of South Africa, Transvaal Provincial Division, 1963-1964,
    Indictment.

    THE ANC’S VICTIMS WERE MOSTLY CIVILIANS:
    1981 – 2 car bombs at Durban showrooms
    1983 – Church Street Bomb (killed 19, wounded 217)
    1984 – Durban car bomb (killed 5, wounded 27)
    1985-1987 – At least 150 landmines on farm roads (killed 125)
    1985 – Amanzimtoti Sanlam shopping centre bomb Dec 23 (killed 2 white women and 3 white children)
    1986 – Magoo’s Bar bomb (killed 3, wounded 69)
    1986 – Newcastle Court bomb (wounded 24)
    1987 – Johannesburg Court bomb (killed 3, wounded 10)
    1987 – Wits command centre car bomb (killed 1, wounded 68)
    1988 – Johannesburg video arcade (killed 1 unborn baby, wounded 10)
    1988 – Roodepoort bank bomb (killed 4, wounded 18)
    1988 – Pretoria Police housing unit, 2 bombs (wounded 3)
    1988 – Magistrate’s Court bomb (killed 3)
    1988 – Benoni Wimpy Bar bomb (killed 1, wounded 56)
    1988 – Witbank shopping centre bomb (killed 2, wounded 42)
    1988 – Ellis Park Rugby Stadium car bomb; killed 2, wounded 37
    Late 1980s – numerous Wimpy Restaurant bombs (killed many, wounded many)

  • Sam

    A little something else Mandela has done. The BBC found it but haven’t heard a word from Glenn on it. Why not?

    http://southafricanews.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/bbc-discovers-white-genocide-in-south-africa/

  • Anonymous

    Let me guess — since nobody can show Hitler pulling the lever on a gas chamber switch, that means he wasn’t involved in the Holocaust, right? It was just those darn, out of control underlings.

  • rich

    The economy was a lot better off with British Rule , although no question it was crimes against humanity ” as ruled today ” But replacing one Repressive leader with the equally as evil “Mandela” justifies what ? It went from White Racism to now Blacks are the ones Resists ..

  • rich

    Glenn Beck has became a Shill …

  • Anonymous

    I listened to a few others that knew Mandela. Though he was considered a communist, his purposes were simply to stop a small group of Colonialists from unfairly keeping their foot on the majority of people in South Africa. If anyone truly know the history, the minority, who happened to be white and the majority who happened to be black, were in fact oppressed and predominantly kept in poverty. They still mostly lived in tribes at the time. He wanted the blacks to be able to go to school, to hold good jobs and to have opportunity, just as the whites. The only ones that seemed to provide any sympathy for their aspirations were the Communist Revolutionary groups and other despotic regimes that hated the west. That did not make him just as the others. The defining moment did come when he came out of prison and chose a path to be a Uniter of all South Africans, and has equally fought to keep even the whites from becoming oppressed. He apparently admired our founders and our constitution, which in part influenced him to seek a more Democratic solution as opposed to Govt. rule, which would have been the choice had he truly been committed to the communist view.

  • Suzanne Stewart

    Dude you are annoying

  • Suzanne Stewart

    Disappointing to see people who are supposed to be patriots pandering to political correctness. No wonder the republicans can’t win

  • Anonymous

    Human morality is flawed, fickle, greedy, envious and easily manipulated. Still, some can see past those flaws and agree that the eradication of our most vulnerable is wrong. Other embrace those flaws and in the name of population control, choice, rights, do the evil and have no further thought — except for those who dare challenge their so-called right. The pro-deathers try to use the bait of capital punishment (execution) in an attempt to prove a hypocrisy. How we treat the least of us is an indication of how we are: save both the condemned and the children. We cannot kill our way to prosperity, happiness or Heaven.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think you’re getting what I’m trying to say, so I’ll try one more time. Mandela and the ANC were revolutionaries, people were angry, they were at war with apartheid. What happens during a war people get killed right? (We bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki and most of the people that died were civilians and the same thing goes for Berlin, was it right? Maybe not but we were at WAR) People were murdered on both sides men, women, and children (Although the apartheid government committed far more murders than the ANC). Mandela went to prison for 27 years and when he came out he strived for peace. He didn’t have to but he did. In fact one of the very first thing he did when he was released from prison was to have tea with the widow of the man who created the apartheid system, this is simply remarkable. Because of Mandela’s actions after he was released South Africa is a much more stable country today than it was or than it would have been if Mandela came out of prison angry. This is simply the argument that I’m trying to make.

  • Anonymous

    Just a little devils advocate here for some perspective; Much of what you are attributing to Mandela occurred while he was imprisoned, lead by his wife and followers. If your people were oppressed, and you’re forgetting the terrible things done to their people to keep them down, what would you do to free your people? Many on this very site laud violence and advocate a revolution (which would most certainly lead to a great deal of violence and atrocities, etc. over a progressive President because they don’t like what he is doing) and nothing like what was happening in So. Africa then, is happening here right now. What he did at the moment everyone expected him to unleash a firestorm was what defined his character. That was what defined him as a man of peace when he could have begun a blood bath, but did not. He then changed the entire makeup of that country and has fought against the oppression equally of both black and white. If you don’t wish to ascribe Man of Peace to him in his early years, fine, but that certainly is the man he became.

  • Anonymous

    Equally as evil Mandela? Did Mandela bar whites from going wherever they pleased when he was president? Did Mandela take away their lands and wealth? Did Mandela segregated their schools and placed them in inferior facilities? If you haven’t noticed whites still have most of the land and the wealth in South Africa. The wealthiest man in South Africa is a white guy. So why didn’t evil Mandela take away all these things from them? Also i’ll tell you the same thing I told Kenimbo above, I don’t think you’re getting what I’m trying to say, so I’ll try one more time. Mandela and the ANC were revolutionaries, people were angry, they were at war with apartheid. What happens during a war people get killed right? (We bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki and most of the people that died were civilians and the same thing goes for Berlin, was it right? Maybe not but we were at WAR) People were murdered on both sides men, women, and children (Although the apartheid government committed far more murders than the ANC). Mandela went to prison for 27 years and when he came out he strived for peace. He didn’t have to but he did. In fact one of the very first thing he did when he was released from prison was to have tea with the widow of the man who created the apartheid system, this is simply remarkable. Because of Mandela’s actions after he was released South Africa is a much more stable country today than it was or than it would have been if Mandela came out of prison angry. This is simply the argument that I’m trying to make.

  • Anonymous

    Actually untrue. Though many survived, many also died from the wounds and or the infections that followed. When your tarred and feathered, your skin has 3rd degree burns wherever the tar touched. Often the tar covered every inch of ones body and head. Far from a good thing to have done. A very painful thing to have done, and if you did not die you often wished you had.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly.

  • bear

    NONE of it was right, and it certainly does not justify anything Mandela did!

  • bear

    my my my…dead men are only free from living their lives.

  • bear

    WTF is wrong with you Beck? I hope you read some of these comments!

  • Anonymous

    Faced with the same options Mandela faced, Obama chose the path Mandela didn’t. If he is not a Communist, why does Obama react so positively to those who are (like Putin) and so negatively to those who are not (like Netanyahu)?

  • Benjamin Dover

    Here we find a lighthouse in the fog conjured up by the quacks, progressives, and clowns who pollute today’s mass media: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0094KY878

  • http://DesireeMMondesir.com/ Desiree M. Mondesir

    Well said, Glenn. Well said.

  • rich

    Wrong Mandela was a killer . Plain and simple . You remind me of some college student , sipping on Starbucks , and going clubbing while holding up signs save a starving Penguin. Meanwhile never really understanding anything past what your history professor in his little communist ways taught you . I am not entertaining straw man Arguments , meaning , ww2 was not and is not the same as what went on in South Africa , Mandela lived a lavish life style in prison , Mandela’s cell on Robben Island is not where he spent most of his
    time. He lived in a house, not a cell, that was comfortable and
    luxurious especially when compared with the average citizen he was
    helping. All the while having his wife carry out bombings . When he got out , yes he kept a shack as a home for photo shoots but he also had a mansion he lived in when the camera was not on him .. As far as their land , I really am laughing at that one . Nomads that were starving to death and had no civilization to speak of. ” Russia, Cuba, Che Gueverra” all commuinst and murderes .. Please do not tell me you own a “Che Gueverra tea-shirt” ? Ghaddafi you mean the man Mandela called his brother ? U.S. refused and he is a murderous scum bag ..

  • rich

    Is this what you think ? George Washington and the founding fathers who were also revolutionaries against British oppression. You really buy that ? George Washington was refused a commission it was a lot of pride and power at stake . Go back and study some history . Next you will be buying Glenn Becks Bull about USA was built on Christian Principals . Better look up the word deists and the Jefferson Bible .. Next you will be telling me it was over the price of Tea .. I have a head ache .

  • Anonymous

    OMG….We never ever fought for our freedom or anybody else’s.
    In ww1 our alliance with Russia allowed the Bolshevics to take over the country.
    and in ww2 we fought and died for communism and Joe Stalin… and helped him establish communist dictatorships in a dozen countries in central Europe and later in china and North Korea and later in Vietnam and Cambodia etc. etc. Get real. Without us fighting for communism in ww2. there never ever would have been any communism in Asia.

  • Anonymous

    Oh I get what you are trying to say — the ends justifies the means. Find an excuse to justify an action, no matter how reprehensible,.

  • soybomb315

    Well what do you call war based on lies?
    We found no WMD in Iraq and it is more of a terrorist haven now than it was before. They told us we were going to wipe out Al-Qaeda in Afgan but after a few months but 10 years later we are still there spending money and dying – so what was the real reason for going in afganistan?

  • soybomb315

    Again, you disagree? Why or why not?

    Insults are not substitute for cognitive thinking

  • thedogwalker

    Glenn forgot to mention how South Africa looks today. It is basically a cesspool of crime. There is still segregation and most white people carry guns at all times and live in gated enclaves to keep blacks out.

  • thedogwalker

    Mandela was in the U.S. in the early 90′s. He came here to NYC and met our only (hopefully) black mayor.

  • Anonymous

    Mandela was a dirt bag communist. What is wrong with you Glenn?

  • Anonymous

    No matter what all these people say, I just can’t get past the fact that alot of people were murdered by this man and his communist party!!!

  • Anonymous

    He also enjoyed the Art of slitting innocent people throats!!!

  • Anonymous

    Oh u have no proof of that. If that were his nature, things would have turned out very differently when he left that prison.

  • Anonymous

    So, what your saying is that the blacks even though their people were being murdered and oppressed, and even though it was wrong of the whites to do that, they should have done nothing because that would have been wrong, too. Well guess what, nothing would have changed for those people if they had not, as horrible as it was. Your thought process has no logic to it at all. These people were so mistreated that their was no other action or choice left to them. They had no voice and no champion otherwise to change their situation. The U.S. (I can only assume for some political reason) chose to not be supportive of their quest for freedom. Mandela’s imprisonment (his imprisonment made him a hero, even more than his fight) placed him in the position of being the key figure in providing South Africa the chance to rise above it all or to destroy that country entirely. He rose above the hatred he had every right to feel. He did not choose to ‘rule’ for the rest of his life once he came to power. He did not take over the country for Govt. rule. He did not incite a blood bath as many thought he would. Instead he sought to unite ‘all’ South Africans, and a peaceful resolution for all. If you cannot see the greatness that came to be, then you have some serious problems.

  • Republitarian

    Glenn: Sorry brother but you are incorrect on this one. Nelson only changed his tactics after years to contemplate them in prison. he never changed his views, only his words and public demeanor. His only change was from being a wolf to being a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

  • Becca Swenson Belden

    Glenn!!! What is wrong with you????? this man and his wife were communist scum that did despicable things!!!! His wife “necklacing” people as Jim said below. How can you say that someone like this has any principals??? And he didn’t unite the country. He reversed the apartheid. Now the whites are being murdered! He’s a race baiter no better than Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson!. You’d better explain yourself better on this on Glenn.

  • Anonymous

    Many will not forget the past,and they refuse to acknowledge what he became-a peacemaker.In the Bible Paul was Saul and he did damage to Christians.Yet God turned him into Paul.And look at what Paul became-a servant of the Lord Jesus Christ.If God can forgive then man can forgive.They have to open their hearts.And that maybe hard for some.But I believe God touched Nelson Mandela as well.He became remarkable.

  • William Dave Powers

    But John , we don’t give a peace prize to Americans who TAR AND FEATHER, we don’t worship them like Mandela is being w
    orshiped

  • bear

    First of all: Black People Enslaved White People:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yextpoQw-w4
    http://violenceagainstwhites.wordpress.com/white-slaves/

    Aaaaand: http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/12/06/saint-nelson-mandela-not-so-fast/

    Now, did someone tell you this crap, or did you make it up?
    What history books did you read in school?

  • Anonymous

    Was Mandela a converted Christian?

  • Mike

    ‘His people’ are oppressed more by each other now than they were under the white government. The murder & rape rates are higher now than they ever were before.

  • Anonymous

    They have tribal issues and poverty. At least it’s not based on racial oppression any longer.

  • Anonymous

    Apparently the real history. What was occurring in So. Africa was a small white colonialist Govt. controlling the larger black population. I don’t know what comic book version you’ve been reading, but I remember when it was going on.

  • Anonymous

    The Real Mandela (Published Online 7/24/2013)
    By Pete Papaherakles

    As South Africa’s 95-year-old Nelson Mandela lies in the hospital, the
    worldwide media portrays him as a larger-than-life heroic figure and the
    liberator of his people. But is that truth or fiction? And how will
    honest historians judge him?

    The official story goes something like this: Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela was
    born in 1918 into the Thembu tribe’s royal family. He studied law at two
    prestigious universities and became involved in “anti-colonial
    politics,” joining the African National Congress (ANC). He was committed
    to non-violent protest in gaining sovereignty for blacks. In 1962 he
    was arrested and convicted of sabotage and conspiracy to overthrow the
    government and was sentenced to life in prison.

    An international campaign lobbied for his release, which was granted in
    1990, and he was hailed as martyr of white racism by the international
    media. This popularity propelled him to be elected president of South
    Africa in 1994, where he continued with his struggle to “end ethnic
    tensions and bring about racial equality.” Over the years, Mandela has
    received over 250 awards, including the 1993 Nobel Peace Prize, the U.S.
    Presidential Medal of Freedom and the Soviet Order of Lenin.

    That’s the official story. His critics, however, have a different opinion.

    They point to the fact that Mandela was not imprisoned for opposing
    apartheid, or segregation, in Africa, but for being a communist
    terrorist murderer-bomber in service to the Soviet Union.

    The ANC’s guerrilla force, known as uMkhonto we Sizwe—MK, or “Spear of the
    Nation”—was founded in 1961 by Mandela and his advisor, the
    Lithuanian-born communist Jew JoeSlovo, born Yossel Mashel Slovo, who
    was officially named secretary general of the South African Communist
    Party in 1986.

    Slovo had been the planner of many of the ANC terrorist attacks, as detailed
    in the book Victory or Violence: The Story of the AWB of South Africa,
    including the January 8, 1982 attack on the Koeberg nuclear power plant
    near Cape Town, the Church Street bombing on May 20, 1983, which killed
    19 people, and the June 14, 1986 car-bombing of Magoo’s Bar in Durban,
    in which three people were killed and 73 injured.

    In 1962, Mandela was arrested along with 19 others, half of whom were
    White communist Jews, in a police raid of ANC headquarters at a farm
    owned by Andrew Goldreich, also a communist Jew, at Rivonia, a
    Johannesburg suburb.

    In the Rivonia Trial, which took place between 1963 and 1964, the
    defendants were tried for 221 acts of sabotage designed to overthrow the
    government and conspiring to aid foreign military units, when they
    invaded SA to further the objects of communism.

    The prosecutor, Percy Yutar said at the trial that “production requirements
    for munitions were sufficient to blow up a city the size of
    Johannesburg.”

    Escaping the death sentence, Mandela was given life in prison.

    By 1990, the communists behind Mandela had gained enough power to force
    his release. Apartheid was abolished in 1992 and the ANC was put into
    power in 1994 with Mandela as president. Slovo became his secretary of
    housing.

    Shortly thereafter, Mandela and Slovo, along with a group of ANC leaders, were
    filmed chanting a pledge to kill all whites in South Africa.

    Current South African President Jacob Zuma, also of the ANC, was also filmed as
    late as January 2012 singing a song called “Kill the Boer” in front of a
    crowd of thousands of blacks while they cheered and danced. The song
    advocates the murder of the descendents of the original white settlers
    of South Africa, with lyrics encouraging blacks to gun down the farmers
    with machine guns.

    Mandela’s ex-wife Winnie, also a longtime ANC activist, prefers a method called
    “necklacing,” where a gasoline-filled tire is placed around the neck of a
    victim and set ablaze. “With our boxes of matches and our necklaces we
    shall liberate this country,” she is infamous for saying.
    (Mandela was in solitary confinement at the time of the necklacing
    torture-murders. An estimated 3,000 victims died by necklacing.)

    Since 1994, 68,000 whites have been brutally tortured and murdered by blacks
    in South Africa, in ways too gruesome to describe, including almost
    4,000 Boers whose farms were confiscated by savage murderers, a combined
    area of over 25,000 square miles.

    Audio_IconRSAFP PODCAST: The Horror of South Africa Today

    Contrary to popular belief, the vast majority of blacks in South Africa aren’t
    natives, but came by the millions from neighboring countries only after
    the white Boers created a country with a thriving economy, education
    opportunities and medical benefits.

    Under white rule, blacks in South Africa enjoyed better living conditions
    than any other African country, where blacks kill each other in tribal
    warfare.

    In 1994, the same year Mandela took power, the Hutu tribe killed 800,000
    Tutsis in Rwanda. Similar tribal genocides have taken place in Congo,
    Somalia, Ethiopia, Chad, Mali, Zimbabwe, Angola and many more African
    countries. Tribal savagery and genocide has always been a way of life
    for Africans.

    Since Mandela took over, South Africa has become a Third World country. It
    went from being the safest country in Africa, to being the rape and
    murder capital of the world. In Johannesburg, 5,000 people are murdered
    every year. Unemployment went from 5% in 1994 to 50% today.

    South Africa also has the largest number of people infected with HIV/AIDS in
    the world. In 2007, over 18% of adults, or 5,700,000 people had AIDS. In
    2010, an estimated 280,000 died of AIDS.

    Looking beyond the media myth of a “demigod Mandela” as he faces his twilight, one can only say, “good riddance.”http://americanfreepress.net/?p=11873

  • Anonymous

    Principles? Principles? Communists don’t need no stinkin’ principles! And their Marxist ideology, like a leopard’s spots; can’t be changed.

  • Anonymous

    mightguy, you said: “Cuba, Ghaddafi, and even Che Gueverra was[sic] more anti-apartheid than the U.S.”
    Yes indeed, and God bless those compassionate people. They probably would also be pro-Obamacare, another compassionate program that will probably cause the future deaths of untold numbers. It has already destroyed the greatest health care system in the world.
    ‘Uncle Joe’ Stalin was also compassionate; he killed about 12 million people so they wouldn’t have to suffer the tortures of the Siberian gulags.
    And 10 people liked what you said to 1 dislike. Unfortunately, that’s where our country is today.

  • CJKitti85

    Sounds like the story of America’s birth–y’know with all those native Americans being tortured and murdered. Oh and then the Blacks being tortured and murdered and also used for slave labor… oh and the Chinese and the Irish being tortured and murdered too and used for cheap labor! Oh but we have yet to go into America’s capitalistic imperialism which helped to steal Africa from the Africans and ravage its resources and people. Compared to America as a whole–from its start to it present day–Mandela has died way before he could single-handedly become the top dog boogie man of the entire world.

  • Anonymous

    He was a secular Marxist. He was no Paul, and was definitely not Christian.Far from it.

  • Adam Gale

    I can’t find a single reference to tar and feathering someone in the name of freedom. Evil men did that kind of thing, but they didn’t do it in the name of freedom. Your post is intellectually dishonest.

  • Adam Gale

    Again, you ignore the fact he didn’t attack his oppressors, he didn’t attack the government, he targeted CIVILIANS, and INNOCENTS. Men, women and children that had nothing to do with his oppression. Just because he was peaceful in the latter years, doesn’t erase his murderous, terrorist, and torturer past.

    Rose above the hatred?? Really? He left prison and sang a song roughly translated to “chopping down the white people”

  • Adam Gale

    No comic book version, Mandela didn’t attack the government, he attacked civilians. That’s the fact, he admitted to 159 attacks, most of which were geared towards maximum damage of the civilian population, not the government. Facts over fiction every day of the week.

  • Adam Gale

    So that justifies Mandela killing children that had nothing to do with his oppression. Gotcha. Keep celebrating Hitler’s advances in the medical field, and ignoring the Jewish slaughter.

  • Adam Gale

    Supported freedom by murdering women and children who had nothing to do with his oppression. Facts over your make believe, every day!!

  • Adam Gale

    I wouldn’t have killed innocent women and children in the name of liberty and freedom. If I were to choose a violent revolution, it would be towards those who had oppressed me, not the civilian population.

  • Adam Gale

    Other than Mandela’s own admissions in court to 159 attacks, then I guess we have no proof. Seriously, is this the way you argue??

  • Adam Gale

    Stable? I’m no fan of the previous regime, but South Africa has a 50 percent unemployment rate, the highest rate of the spread of HIV in the world. Under the previous regime, unemployment stood at 7 percent. South Africa is NOT a stable country, it is now home to thousands of terrorists as well. You can quickly google the economic situation over there, holy crud, ignorance is painful to watch.

  • Adam Gale

    When left without an argument, scream, forget about the past, only remember the glittering glowing parts of his life LOL Seriously?

  • Adam Gale

    Whites still own most of the land?? LOL Wow, just wow, Whites are murdered on a regular basis for their land, and no charges are ever brought against those that steal that land. You’re just talking out of your rear at this point.

  • Anonymous

    Are you God that you have a right to judge his actions? I think not. What’s also a shame is the re-witting of history that some are engaged in.

  • nutt

    Bullshit – he didn’t necklace a single person. Read up on your history, idiot.

  • nutt

    He fought against violent oppression by a racist government – something that many round here are shouting about their willingness to do should it happen in the USA. His story is what happens in revolution. But, his post-revolution behaviour was to reconcile a country that had lived apart and endured shocking violence from both sides. He saved the country from the sort of black-on-white bloodbaths that are all-too-common in Zimbabwe under that despot Mugabe.

  • Anonymous

    I followed your advice and googled the economic situation in South Africa and the unemployment rate is 24.7%. Although yes that is high it is still not anywhere close to 50% as you claimed. South Africa has a GDP of $353.911 billion which is ranked 33rd in the world and the largest in Africa. So I stand corrected, South Africa is a relatively stable country especially when compared to some other African countries and even some European countries such as Greece which has an unemployment rate of 27.3%.

  • nutt

    Because those who came to power after him haven’t acheived so much. It’s unfair to judge him on things he had no control over. What is certain, is that he showed SA a better way and saved it from becoming another Zimbabwe. His behaviour in office, particularly with the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, shows that he was a man of action, rather than ‘rhetoric and intentions’ as you incorrectly imply.

  • nutt

    Because those who came to power after him haven’t acheived so much. It’s unfair to judge him on things he had no control over. What is certain, is that he showed SA a better way and saved it from becoming another Zimbabwe. His behaviour in office, particularly with the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, shows that he was a man of action, rather than ‘rhetoric and intentions’ as you incorrectly imply.

  • nutt

    …which he didn’t do, so what’s your point?

  • nutt

    …which he didn’t do, so what’s your point?

  • nutt

    When necklacing was going on, Mandela was in solitary confinement on Robin Island. So unless the prison regime was *very* lax…

  • nutt

    When necklacing was going on, Mandela was in solitary confinement on Robin Island. So unless the prison regime was *very* lax…

  • Anonymous

    When necklacing was going on, Winnie Mandela gave a speech in 1986 stating “[W]ith our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country.” So unless you think Nelson had no idea what his wife or his African National Congress organization were doing, and had no involvement in directing or managing it….

  • Anonymous

    When necklacing was going on, Winnie Mandela gave a speech in 1986 stating “[W]ith our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country.” So unless you think Nelson had no idea what his wife or his African National Congress organization were doing, and had no involvement in directing or managing it….

  • Anonymous

    See above nutter.

  • Anonymous

    Glenn you can pack it. Why should I waste time commenting when you only post what pleases you.Apparently you deleted my last post where I told old mightguy to have God bless those compassionate communists like Guevara, et al.Recently you said you agreed with Mark Levin’s drive to convene a states constitutional convention. You said you approved because Mark was not one of ‘those radicals”. As if he needs your approval. BTW, I believe you fit in as one of “those radicals” and I don’t think you are sincere in your agenda; you are in this business solely for self aggrandizement.

  • Anonymous

    Glenn you can pack it. Why should I waste time commenting when you only post what pleases you.Apparently you deleted my last post where I told old mightguy to have God bless those compassionate communists like Guevara, et al.Recently you said you agreed with Mark Levin’s drive to convene a states constitutional convention. You said you approved because Mark was not one of ‘those radicals”. As if he needs your approval. BTW, I believe you fit in as one of “those radicals” and I don’t think you are sincere in your agenda; you are in this business solely for self aggrandizement.

  • Sargonarhes

    It’s his communist ideals is what the media and hollywood idiots love him for. He just did what Van Jones has done, drop the radical pose for the end means. He’s still a communist, and a wolf remains a wolf even if he hasn’t eaten all your sheep. So frankly I’m getting tired of this Mandela love fest on the news.

  • Liberalism is Nonsense

    You are a lamp of liberty, a shining beacon for all to see. Glow brighter, shine bigger: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0094KY878

  • nutt

    Well, were he at home with his slippers on, that might have been so. Yet on the outside the ANC were facing violence from the army, Afrikaaner paramilitaries and government-funded Inkatha Zulus. It wasn’t 1-sided violencs – atrocities were carried out by both sides; but not by order of Mandela.

  • Anonymous

    And when did he renounce Communism ? never. Perhaps Mandela was just a smarter nemesis, one that used the time he was imprisoned to concoct a persona that would serve his ends. And by extension, perhaps his image manipulation was emulated by our President ? I would guess that Obama read Mandela’s story closely and mimicked his makeover carefully. If you look at the condition of their 2 respective countries the image does not follow the actual deeds and outcomes and if we can’t judge a man by what he has done, in reality, we are lost.

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  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    George H W Bush killed 5,000 in his invasion of Panama.

    Tens of thousands were killed in Central America during Ronald Reagan’s Contra War. A war fought to put the corrupt Somoza government back in power.

    George W. Bush refused to keep track of the number of mass graves he was responsible for attacking Iraq for WMD he never found.

    All of these guys and Bill Clinton too, gave billions of dollars of weapons to Israel who use cluster bombs and white phosphorus on civilians in Palestine and Lebanon.

  • Anonymous

    Ah, so now you just make up excuses for the ANC and try to “whitewash” (no pun intended) Mandela. Really. His own wife and his own organization, and he’s as oblivious to reality as you are? Well, at least your handle is correct — you are a nutt.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, so now the excuse is “he was soooooo good decades later, that makes up for being a murderer earlier”! Got it. So if Hitler or Mao just planted trees and sang a cover of “We Are The World”, we could MoveOn from the Holocaust and the Cultural Revolution. Check. Typical Progressive thought.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s not forget the 1 million innocent unborn children that have been murdered in South Africa because of abortion since Nelson Mandela took power and instituted pro-abortion policies.

  • nutt

    What a pathetic comparison (and well done for invoking Godwin’s Law in the process) Upon becoming President, Mandela sought to defuse a brewing race-war, and by the establishment of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission brought both sides of the conflict together through a process of national catharsis. Those 2 tyrants were hell-bent on murder of all those who opposed, and kept a tight grip on power. History proves that Mandela acted to stop racial bloodshed. By his actions in power he was closer to Jesus, turning the other cheek and encouraging forgiveness from all parties, than the nonsensical comparison you use as an excuse for an argument.

  • Anonymous

    LMAO! Mandela = Jesus??? I thought your bunch believes Obama = Jesus. I guess it’s Obama = God, Mandela = Jesus and Biden = Bubbles the Chimp. Bless me Obama for I have sinned. I have taken the most Holy name of Mandela in vain. Hail Michelle, full of grace. LOL. You crack me up, nutbag.

  • nutt

    Where did ‘equals’ come into it?

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    Yours is a high-quality post. It looks like something that I would do, and hopefully, you will not get some dislikes from people who don’t know any better.

  • Anonymous

    “By his actions in power he was closer to Jesus, turning the other cheek and encouraging forgiveness from all parties,” Or are you no longer saying he is like Jesus?

  • FuckYouGlennShit

    Ignorance is bliss eh? Morons on this page, all of you.

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  • nutt

    I said he was closer, for the reasons given, to Jesus than he is to Hitler and Mao. If your level of comprehension fails to grasp that, then there’s little point in trying to discuss anything with you as you appear to be either wilfully ignorant or (as I’m suspecting more and more) plain ignorant.

    Your comparison person who used his position of power to defuse an impending race-war and reconcile a population with their former oppressors, with 2 of the 20th century’s most brutal dictators, people who were responsible for the systematic murder of millions of people, is beyond stupidity.

  • Anonymous

    So you read my post as saying Nelson Mandela is, physically, literally, a 2015-year-old Aramaic Jew? Riiiiggggght. That explains a lot about your other posts. And after complaining about him being compared to Hitler, you compare him to Jesus. Riiiigggght. And you think you are qualified to call others stupid….

  • nutt

    You started the comparison thing – so I took your wildly inaccurate ones and gave you one that was proportionally more accurate (Sought to liberate his people from brutal oppression, forgave said oppressors, used position to preach peace) To which, rather than defend your idiotic comparison (largely because it’s so far wide of the mark that it’s beyond a rational defence) you’ve resorted to wetting your pants and name-calling.

    I stand solidly by complaining about comparing Mandela with Hitler, and look forward to reading why you think it makes sense, given the weight of contrary evidence.

  • Anonymous

    Oh boo hoo, you’re offended at being called on stuff. Would you like some cheese with your whine? You put Mandela closer to Jesus than Hitler because he lacked the capacity for larger volumes of killings despite the desire to do so? Well, according to that logic, John Wayne Gacy and any other serial killer is closer to the Messiah since they killed fewer people. Evil is not based on your final body count tally, and the lower you get, the closer you are to heaven. Mandela was a terrorist. Period. He was on the US terrorist list until 2008 — not my opinion, not my
    belief, the US Government’s belief. Democrat and Republican Administrations. But go figure, you want to whitewash that inconvenient fact also. Burning people alive with tires is not a whole lot more humane than gassing them, and if the inability to do it on a factory-like scale makes Mandela a saint in your eyes, well….not much to be done about that, is there. And since you live in denial, and whitewash and excuse him of the whole thing, not much to be done about that either.

  • nutt

    Couldn’t give a toss about your name-calling – just pointing out that your argument fell apart and you resorted to playground tactics rather than present a coherent, factual argument.

    Mandela, with a nation of angry black and coloured people, had a huge chance to lead a bloody race-war once he came to power. The fact that he did the complete opposite only serves, as it only can, to show how stupid you’re being with your latest contention.

    The US Government also supported Saddam, sold arms to Iran and funded terrorists in Nicaragua and made Bin Laden the powerful figure he became. So as far as moral arbiters go, they’ve long-since been a busted flush.

  • Anonymous

    Jeez, could you get any more pathetic? “a nation of angry black people” is your entire line of persuasion? Oh, that and “Nutter sez so”. Well, I only have the Truth Commission, Nelson Mandela’s own admission to authorizing attacks like the Church Street Massacre, Winnie Mandela’s own admission, and the US Government — well, and the fact that my stuff ACTUALLY HAPPENED. How can that POSSIBLY stand up against “Nutter sez so”? Good Lord, with that weight of sheer expertize, “Nutter sez so” overwhelms anything like Mandela’s own personal admissions. Forget Bo Jackson, “Nutter knows”.

  • nutt

    The fact that there was no race-war, and instead the Truth and Reconciliation Commission shows that he wasn’t hell-bent on murder or revenge. Had he been the sort of dictator you’re (dismally) trying to portray him as then history would be telling vastly different stories about South Africa. Maybe you’re confusing Mandela with Mugabe?

    So tell me – how was black South Africa supposed to deal with apartheid, given that no negotiation was ever going to happen and that oppression was so brutal? Are you telling me that they should still be putting up with it? Are you saying that an oppressed populace can never fight? Are are you saying that South African apartheid was actually a lovely little dream world where everybody was lovely and it was peace-colony with negative publicity?

  • Anonymous

    LOL — you’ve already lost the debate. Your entire argument was based on the ridiculous claim that Mandela had no idea and no involvement whatsoever in the terrorism and murders going on by his ANC; he was hermetically sealed in bronze like Han Solo until he got thawed out. NOW that I proved the lie, you claim that it’s okay because he was the *right* color terrorist (black) murdering the *right* color victims (white, although again you are wrong — he didn’t attack the Apartheid Government, he attacked civilians, black and white). Fail. Epic Fail. You prove yourself the vilest of Progressive Useful Idiot — willing to condone and even exhault the most heinous of crimes so long as it fits your race-based political agenda. Mandela was a terrorist — period. No amount of later whitewash absolves him of those crimes. There is no statute of limitations on murder. You’re probably one of those that also claims Arafat was a saint because it was just Jews he was murdering, and that’s okay because that’s Progressively Politically Correct. You lose. Nice try. Come again some time. Johnny, what does Nutbag get for his parting gifts? Well, he gets an “I *heart* Mandela” bumpersticker AND this fashionable jewelry set made out of minature gas-filled burning tires, oh, AND a year’s supply of Rice-A-Roni, the San Francisco Treat!

  • Adam Gale

    No, he was a murderer, nothing more, nothing less. Your attempt to deify a murder is disturbing on many levels.

    He didn’t renounce violence, that’s a huge lie, the day he got out of prison he was seen singing the song “Chop down all white people” Facts over Fiction every day of the week.

  • Adam Gale

    Stand up for freedom against oppression while killing women and children in the most brutal ways. Wow, Hitler had the same line, freedom from Europe, follow me, that didn’t end well either.

  • Adam Gale

    So anger means we can murder women and children? Really?

  • Adam Gale

    Then you pick and choose what sites you were looking at the official data shows 50 percent, but hey, again, you like fiction over facts. A point of note, S. Africa one of the highest HIV transmission countries in the world. Yay for freedom right?? Your argument has no basis in reality, but one set in what the liberal media has spoon fed you. It’s the same revisionist crap that is now being taught in public schools.

  • Adam Gale

    Um, Jesus didn’t murder men women and children. In fact, that’s one of the big 10. THOU SHALT NOT KILL. He wasn’t even close to Jesus. He was closer to a certain fallen angel that seeks to take us from God.

  • nutt

    Really? Which one? It started off with you directly accusing him of necklacing – untrue. You then decided to compare him with Hitler and Mao instead. Proven to be utterly ridiculous. So then you moved on to the terrorist angle. From the point of view of apartheid, then yes, he was. That armed struggle was the only way to fight that bloody oppression. So you stand shoulder to shoulder with apartheid and all it stood for. What do you want, a fucking roud of applause. If proving yourself to be such a racist-supporting arsehole is winning the debate, then have yourself a big fucking shiny crown, because you really deserve it. We’ve now discussed 3 versions of your so-called debate – every time I show you to be a massive twat you simply move the goalposts. Even now, you’re trying to set up new straw-men to cover up your inability to stick to any given point.

    So, pretty please – enjoy your crown, Mister Winner (stands up and applauses the mighty *coughapartheidloveingcough* Ken)

  • nutt

    You think he was closer to Mao and Hitler? Seriously? Go and educate yourself, because at this point in life you’re an idiot.

  • Anonymous

    LOL — the final stages of defeat. Wild frustration and random anger. Too funny! And you try to backtrack your concession. Wrong — Mandela knew and approved of necklacing. Fact. You can deny it all you want, but you are wrong. He personally approved terrorist attacks, even while in prison. He admitted so himself in his book. Fact. Deny it all you want, you are still wrong. And you put up a lame-azz strawman — if I condemn Mandela, oooohhhhh that MUST mean I stand “shoulder to should with apartheid and all it stood for”. Strike three. You’re out, Nutbag. Wrong again. I stated clearly before that BOTH sides were miserable excuses of humanity. You, however, continue to excuse and condone one side because it meets with your preferred PC-based world. Wrong again.

    Wanna give it another shot, nuttsy? BTW — that’s your own lies that you’re choking on.

  • Anonymous

    Only idiot posting here is nutjob, who thinks Mandela is sneaking up to Jesus. LOL — you spout inane stupidity and parrot Progressive talking points like the Useful Idiot you are.

  • nutt

    Keep up the intellectual dishonesty, or back up the comparison you made with Hitler and Mao. Either way, you’re onto a loser. And you talk about parroting in the same sentence as trotting out the Useful Idiot line – irony truly is dead…

  • Anonymous

    You really are a thick-headed idiot. So since you can’t seem to read and comprehend, once again for the short-bus team member. Putting gas-filled burning tires around people’s necks is not exactly “more humane” than gassing them. Indiscriminately murdering civilians by terrorism bombings is not exactly “more humane” than putting them against the wall and shooting them. If the only distinction you can fathom between evil and non-evil is the body count total, then you are the textbook Useful Idiot. Mandela’s crimes make him comparable to Hitler and Mao, and definitely DO NOT put him next to Jesus as you think he is. As I already told you (but you are too thick to comprehend), being “just” a serial killer does not put you closer to Jesus than Hitler simply because Hitler had more resources and a higher body count.

    Now, about that “intellectual dishonesty” — ball in your court, Nutbag. Explain to me how murdering people makes you holy.

  • Anonymous

    And how many people who did the tarring and feathering were given massive state funerals where they were revered and praised?