Poisoning the well? Glenn debates the dangers of progressive Republicans

After an initial love affair, Glenn, Pat, and Stu have not been fans of New Jersey Governor Chris Christie for quite some time now. From immigration to gun control to climate change, the guys do not believe Christie is the conservative he claims to be, and this latest bridge scandal is just the icing on the cake. As Glenn sees it, Christie is a big government progressive, and he will not support his 2016 presidential efforts. Pat and Stu have taken similar stances on the topic.

Given Christie’s current success in the polls, however, it will be interesting to see how the next couple of years unfold. If the 2016 election were a fight between Republican candidate Chris Christie and, say, Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, would Glenn, Pat, and Stu support the Republican, or would they vote third-party?

On radio this morning, Judy, a self-described longtime listener from North Carolina, called in to discuss the potential danger of not keeping the Republican Party unified to defeat a Democratic challenger.

The conversation that ensued was heated, but it represents a very real problem within the Republican Party. Are those who do will not support the chosen candidate ‘poisoning the well’ as Judy argued, or are conservatives and small-government minded individuals simply standing their ground? Check out Glenn’s conversation with Judy in the clip below and be sure to share your thoughts on the discussion board.

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  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Sam Fisher

    It is people like her poisoning the well I would rather die then vote another four years of Obama which what will happen if Chris Christie wins in 2016 and don’t fool yourselves otherwise because their is a reason why the left is pushing for him to run and the GOP who is making war against true conservatism.

  • traceydavidb

    If true conservatives sit out like they did last time another Democrat will win – this country is at a tipping point and that will be the final nail in the coffin. While a moderate Repblican may not be an ideal candidate to true conservatives, our best bet to get the presidency away from socialists will be to vote for one – a true conservative will never get the needed support of independents and some Democrats in the current media atmosphere. As much as I hate it, I believe we are going to have to accept a ‘lesser evil’ as a step to ultimately getting what we want and turning this country back around. Making a statement and standing our ground is all very noble (and it’s what I’ve been doing by voting for 3rd party candidates all my life) but look where it got us in the last election – 4 more years of an administration that is running this coutry into the ground. Mitt Romney could have won if true conservatives had voted for him – while he might not have been our ideal he would have been a hell of a lot better than 4 more years of Obama.

  • BlueMN

    I’m really hoping the Tea Party breaks off as a third party. It would be an entertaining circus to say the least.

  • Rick Healy

    Glenn, I love you brother. I have been listening to you for many years and will continue to but I think that Judy was right in her comments. I remember when after you spent a lot of time and still do on occasion trashing Mitt then you had an epiphany and came to realize that Mitt was an honorable and decent man. I always knew that but with all the trashing he is tainted by those who should be helping to turn this country around. I know that he was not your guy but either was his opponent. What do we do when we are faced with a choice like we had or might have in the future. Do we decide to stay home and let others decide the fate of the next 4 years? Mitt would have brought some respect and regard back to the Office and the Country. You advised Judy to stop listening, what about the rest of us who agree with her? Do we turn you off as well? You have done much good with your platform, please continue doing so.

  • Anonymous

    Just take a look at who was at the signing of the beam at the top of the Freedom tower. All those people present are part of the NWO. I don’t trust Christie. After what he did during the super storm Sandy, I don’t think he is for the American people. It was his remarks about Obama doing a great job for the Sandy victims that got many to vote for Obama. Meanwhile, Obama broke his promises to help them. Obama took the chance for the photo opt with one woman homeless after the storm and later she realized it was all a lie. Christie is no better.

  • Anonymous

    I do too.time for a third party.

  • Anonymous

    Christie just violated a federal law with his bill to allow in-state tuition for illegal aliens. This is from 8 U.S. Code 1623:

    (a) In general

    Notwithstanding any other provision of law, an alien who is not lawfully present in the United States shall not be eligible on the basis of residence within a State (or a political subdivision) for any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national of the United States is eligible for such a benefit (in no less an amount, duration, and scope) without regard to whether the citizen or national is such a resident.

    (b) Effective date

    This section shall apply to benefits provided on or after July 1, 1998.

  • Anonymous

    Christie just violated a federal law with his bill to allow in-state tuition for illegal aliens. This is from 8 U.S. Code 1623:

    (a) In general

    Notwithstanding any other provision of law, an alien who is not lawfully present in the United States shall not be eligible on the basis of residence within a State (or a political subdivision) for any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national of the United States is eligible for such a benefit (in no less an amount, duration, and scope) without regard to whether the citizen or national is such a resident.

    (b) Effective date

    This section shall apply to benefits provided on or after July 1, 1998.

  • Anonymous

    There is a lot of truth in what you say. That does not mean there cannot be a hot contested primary fight. That is where the fight for conservatism takes place. If you cannot get your canidate elected there especially in the Congress there is a problem with the people. Those conservatives who sat out the last election because they thought Romney wasn’t conservative enough or because he was a Mormon deserves the liar Obama. The rest of us do not. Fight the hard fight in the primary. When its over don’t be stupid. Stupid people deserve stupid things happening to them like Obama and Obamacare.

  • Anonymous

    Are you saying that because you want the Democrats to win?

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Actually, what you espouse IS the problem. By always voting for the lesser of two evils, you help the political system degenerate.

    ~BTG

    “When you become entitled to exercise the right of voting for public officers, let it be impressed on your mind that God commands you to choose for rulers, “just men who will rule in the fear of God.” The preservation of government depends on the faithful discharge of this duty; if the citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted; laws will be made, not for the public good so much as for selfish or local purposes; corrupt or incompetent men will be appointed to execute the laws; the public revenues will be sqandered on unworthy men; and the rights of the citizens will be violated or disregarded. If a republican government fails to secure public prosperity and happiness, it must be because the citizens neglect the divine commands, and elect bad men to make and administer the laws.” ~Noah Webster, History of the United States

    “Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office, as in England, to take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man. But where the principle of difference is as substantial, and as strongly pronounced as between the republicans and the monocrats of our country, I hold it as honorable to take a firm and decided part, and as immoral to pursue a middle line, as between the parties of honest men and rogues, into which every country is divided.” ~Thomas Jefferson

  • traceydavidb

    That’s all very noble, but it’s the reason Obama is in office right now insted of Romney, and I for one believe Romney would be better.

  • Anonymous

    You are absolutely right. I have been thinking the same thing. The Left is salivating at the thought that Republicans can’t seem to unify. Progressivism is like a cancer. Whoever is infected by it can no longer think straight.
    “Divide and conquer”, has been a battle cry for ages. It worked in the past
    and it will work in the future. Therefore, we need to unite or lose again!

  • Anonymous

    Split the Republicans and another Lefty will win the race. We need to find someone who is honorable and get behind this person in full force. No more RINOs with skeletons in their closets!!!!! Please!

  • Anonymous

    When Christi hugged Obama, it turned me off completely. I would not trust him from here to the next wall.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    If that is the reason for Obama being in office, then we should never vote on principles again to avoid another catastrophe of this magnitude.

    That is what you are suggesting, is it not?

    Or is it okay for people to vote on principles only when YOU determine it is permissible?

    ~BTG

    “Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” ~John Quincy Adams

    “All human constitutions are subject to corruption, and must perish, unless they are timely renewed, and reduced to their first principles.” ~Algernon Sydney

    “The deterioration of a government begins almost always by the decay of its principles.” Charles de Montesquieu

  • Anonymous

    Romney didn’t win. Dole did not win. The reason the Bushes won was because Bush 41 ran against Dukakis (not much of a challenger) and Bush 43 against whacko Al Gore and Swift boat John Kerry. McCain nor Romney inspired Americans to passionately stand behind their candidate. Really? Are we interested in holding our collective nose and picking a centrist at this point? Karl Rove and the GOP have told us who to elect way too many times. I love that Ted Cruz’s father is his advisor. I find it interesting that the story that Rafael Cruz has to tell about his time as a political prisoner in Cuba isn’t the mantra of the GOP but Rubio’s parents story is told more frequently. Hmmm…

  • Anonymous

    Judy, et al, … since when is Christie the ONLY candidate? We’re two years away from the election and already some of you have gone off the deep end. The upcoming midterm election will set the stage for the presidential election in 2016. If conservatives and libertarians increase their numbers significantly, Christie and the RINOS will be toast. Instead of giving up early, we all should be working hard to get our guys elected and send Jeb, Rove, and Christie a loud and clear message.

  • Anonymous

    I stand by my post that stupid people deserve stupid things happening to them like Obama and Obamacare.
    The fight is in the primaries to get the candidate of your choice into office. By not voting for the best of the two candidates in the general election even if not the candidate of your choosing you are in effect helping the worst of the two candidates get elected. In this case it is Obama and you should take some responsibility for that along with the implementing of Obamacare.

  • Anonymous

    Romney was not the lesser of two evils. Did you believe the lies of Matt Kibbe? Screw your head on straight and realize, you defeat and relentlessly persue the Republicans and you defeat yourselves. There is no freedom with the current Dem party. Use the common sense Glenn always talks about along with Thomas Jefferson.

  • Jerry Sutton

    I think all reasonable people can agree that “Poisoning the well” is the wrong expression. The GOP has been crapping in the well for years. If we can’t clean it up it is time to dig a new well with fresh water. Many fence sitters, extremists,youth, and dopers who will not vote for GOP would vote for someone like Ran Paul. We must broaden our base just as Glenn has done with his media empire. I am a Christian and would vote for Penn before Christie and never for the Whore of all the earth, as described in Revelation. The GOP leaders who are only in it for the money and power must be taken down for they are Progressives. We must seek those candidates who believe in individual freedom above state slavery and have a moral compass that includes honesty and honor.

  • Anonymous

    Whose principle? If you’re sitting in a communist state with Obamacare, dead soldiers, the IRS ruling over you, NSA doing as they please, EPA shutting down everything with regulation, are what you call principles going to help? Your standard is like looking into the distorted mirrors of the fun house in an amusement park.

  • Anonymous

    He was a pain for Romney also. but then Romney wasn’t good enough .Santorium, Gingrich, Paul etc. had 0 chance in the general. If Christie can win for bleep sakes vote for him! I will! He has done a few things that did not heip, but he is honest and true to himself. If you vote for Barr Hillary wins.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Re: “I stand by my post that stupid people deserve stupid things happening to them like Obama and Obamacare.”

    And I stand by mine.

    You are definitely correct about stupid people deserving stupid things. Unfortunately, you are wrong with whom the blame lies.

    The people who voted for Obama are to blame and they alone. Your whole line of reasoning is based on how the perceived majority is going to vote.

    In other words, you do your voting based on polls. That is stupid.

    So let me ask you a philosophical question using your reasoning.

    If the election were between Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler, you would vote for one. Which one?

    (And I am not implying Obama or Romney are either one.)

    Re: “In this case it is Obama and you should take some responsibility for that along with the implementing of Obamacare.”

    LOL, why should I?

    I support the Constitution which means Obama is ineligible to be POTUS in the first place. Second, Obamacare is not constitutional either.

    Supporting the Constitution also means that I will not vote for another who will not obey and defend the Constitution. If I am alone in that, then you people do not deserve Liberty.

    On the other hand, we have Glenn Beck and his blind followers who help keep Obama in office by denying the natural born Citizen clause in the US Constitution and attacking those who bring it up.

    Then there is you, who works to undermine the bedrock principles of this country for political expediency and to blame others for the bad fruits of your labor.

    I have taken responsibility for my duties as a Citizen of this country, have you?

    ~BTG

    “A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sin and suffering.” ~Thomas Jefferson

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    “Romney was not the lesser of two evils”

    ROFLMAO!

  • Anonymous

    Not a great gesture for Romney, however, his State was devastated. He was smart enough to know if you don’t kiss you know what with Obama, he will PUNISH you. you want 8 more years of progressives? 3 more years of Obama naming the worst this Country has to offer for high ranking posts? This Country will not survive that long.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    “My principle is to do whatever is right and leave the consequences to Him who has the disposal of them.” ~Thomas Jefferson

  • Anonymous

    SAM! Listen up! there is no utopia! Christie is not Santan! True conservatism will only be in your mind and become illegal! We will all die if you keep that attitude. Do you want to see people imprisoned for their beliefs? This is no joke! The suffering you see now is just the start of the pain.

  • Anonymous

    If the Tea Party was big enough that would be great. It is not. Team WITH the Republicans until we get some sanity back! Then we can continue to work on electing conservatives. If you listen to Glenn, you know how serious this is. We can’t keep flushing the toilet on every Republican we do not agree with. Reince Prebius is a great guy. Give him some support. Paul Ryan is genuine. With the stubborn Reid and the media hacking every conservative/Republican to death, it is time for TP leaders to get together with Republican leaders and reach some kind of agreement. Otherwise we are crushed.

  • Anonymous

    Your right about spliting Republicans. PLEASE stop using the term RINO. it is so overdone.; The Progressive Republicans will fade away if you keep supporting the good guys. ATTACK DEMOCRATS/PROGRESSIVES!

  • Anonymous

    Do work hard, but support the nominee. Karl Rove is not the enemy! His knowledge is valuable. His fund raising skills are valuable. Use his expertise and stop smashing him. I like Jeb but have no desire to see him as President.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    FWIW, Glenn and Matt Kibbe seem to be friends. Glenn has told people to donate to Freedom Works where he is the President.

    Anyways, to answer your question, no I did not believe the “lies” of Matt Kibbe. I actually researched Romney’s record as Gov.

    Would you like to talk about Romney’s record of implementing parts of UN Agenda 21 as Gov.?

    To be honest, I never thought I would be debating: Mitt Romney “The Severely Conservative” candidate again. If you like, I can re-open my Mitt Romney files and we can discuss all the goodies?

  • Anonymous

    SMASH, SMASH, SMASH! How could Romney inspire when you decided in 2010 that he could not inspire and 31 debates or so relentlessly drained him. Mr clever Newt accused him of being the rich guy when Newt is anything but poor. Bad handling. Romney will never be as disqusting and low as Obama. For that I am grateful. His leadership and ability would have the USA back on track to freedom. Stop believing the lies about candidates. The other candidates should be ashamed of themselves for not going back to the states they won and repairing the damage. Instead, the whimpered in the corner and nursed their damaged egos. Huckabee could have been more helpful in repairing Iowa.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t hold your nose, walk proudly to the Post Office, or voting district and take your friends with you. This country will not be recognizable if you do not.

  • Anonymous

    Your MAO is gone. No common sense. Hey fool vote for Biden.

  • Anonymous

    Friends or advertiser? Do you listen to Kibbe? His predecessor was great, Matt is a fool.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Biden sounds more like your guy. You forget, I have principles.

    Re: no common sense

    Well not in the way you apply it I don’t

    Common sense doesn’t mean the prevalent sense in a ignorant society (such as yourself), but a sense that can be commonly expected by rational men anywhere.

  • Anonymous

    I pulled this from another news site:
    Karl Rove, the “architect” of big-government Republicanism, has made a bold prediction for 2014. He said, “Every Republican senator… challenged in a primary as insufficiently conservative will win.”

    Karl Rove is so confident in the Washington establishment’s ability to stop the grassroots from nominating conservatives, he’s predicting liberal Republicans will go undefeated in 2014.

    This comes on the heels of the announcement by a top advisor to the National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC) that the party aims to defeat conservatives in “every primary” next year. Every primary.

    The Republican establishment believes their Wall Street and K Street money advantage is big enough to put down conservative candidates.
    Now tell me, who’s the enemy? Mind you, these people have been around since the Goldwater and Reagan campaigns. “Establishment” Republicans have never liked grassroots conservatives, evangelicals, etc. Time for a change. I’m tired of being insulted by these people. Trouble is, I think time is running out for our country.

  • Anonymous

    Romney would have been one of the better presidents of this century second only to Reagan

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Would have been?

    And you know this how?

  • Anonymous

    When a person fails to act within his means and should have it is an act of omission and holds responsibility for the outcome also. I never said vote for the best poll numbers. You are bearing false witness against me. When you have two candidates one or the other gets elected. Romney would have made one of the best Presidents of this century, second only to Reagan. You bear false witness against Romney by saying he is evil which is evil in itself. No one gave more of their personal time in helping others than Romney totally apart from government service. He didn’t drink or smoke. He didn’t cheat on his wife and raised a large family of children who also do what they can to make life better for others. His friends all talked about great acts of friendship and valued him as a great friend.

    I do agree with you on the birth certificate. Obama should have been required to show a certified birth certificate whether he was born in Hawaii or not. People who lobbied against that did the country and the Constitution a grave disservice.

  • Anonymous

    Romney had all the qualificaltions. He is a successful person. That is who he is, that is what he does. He generates success.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    I will ignore your repeated charges of “bearing false witness” since your reasoning and facts don’t align.

    I’m glad Romney is a wonderful family man, but so what? his record as Gov. is a disgrace. A disgrace if you believe in self-government.

    Not sure how one can assert he would have been the greatest President since Ronald Reagan. The evidence isn’t even there to substantiate an opinion, let alone a fact. Is it possible? sure but extremely unlikely.

    There is a whole slew of relevant (irrelevant now) topics we can discuss concerning Mitt’s political record with all his FLIP-FLOPS and doublespeak if you like:

    Abortion

    Romney Care

    Gay Rights and Marriage

    Global Warming/Climate Change and Cap and Trade

    Education

    2nd Amendment

    If you wish to defend the indefensible, please pick one.

    Though I find it extremely odd to find “republicans” still defending Mitt Romney and attacking “true conservatives” fourteen months after the election.

    Hmmm…..

  • Anonymous

    You said you voted on principle but didn’t answer my question of who you voted for on principle.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, your statement is totally unclear. I was going to apologize Biden is a big mouth destructive idiot. Has done nothing but hurt the Military. Not debating Romney, pointing out that if you continue to primary every Republican with a candidate that cannot win, you kill the chances for taking over the Senate. Do I want Christie? No I absolutely think Ted Cruz i the most intelligent man available. If he does not run, or does not win I will vote for the person who is the candidate. Watched and joined the Tea Party in 2010, voted for Tea Party Candidates Until Freedom works decided to primary our Senator. Record turn out at the caucuses to defeat Freedom Works. Voted for the TP Rep who lost in a Dem district by 600 votes. My point is if you fight the locals by trying to take over their elections from Penn. It ain’t gonna work! Working with Republicans, independents, Conservatives, locally is crucial. Fielding a loser the locals do not want wastes money, time, and effort that can be used elsewhere. Please bring Dick Army out of retirement. He has some common sense. If the people choose a General Candidate, it ensures the Progressives will win to oppose them.

  • Anonymous

    Glenn said to Judy, Don’t ever listen to this show again. I tune in and hear jibberish. Love Glenn’s story, his family, (wife is amazing) but do not get what he is talking about now with Stu and Pat. No worries, I don’t listen but do read the newsletter from some intelligent person. Amy Walter is great. Glenn is highly intelligent, know he is doing great research, Can;t see calling anyone a principled voter if they stubbornly pick their candidate, trash anyone else, and sit home like a spoiled brat if they do not get their way, or vote for someone who will not win. THAT’S WHAT I THINK AND FEEL!

  • Guest

    You’re dealing with Don Quixote

  • Anonymous

    Judy is so, so wrong. She and many other Republicans make this mistake way too many times, and this is the reason our country is in the mess it is… for God’s sake, when will you take a stand on anything? I suggest you start worrying about your State and how’s its been run instead of concentrating on the Federal Government. The States is how we win.

  • Guest

    He voted for Obama by not voting for Romney.

  • Anonymous

    Principle is a noble thing, but I have a problem when activists take their principles into other States by supporting, by financing or lecturing, only those candidates who match their exact views.

    The Constitutional Convention recognized the differences among the several States, and provided for them with the construction of the Senate (a construction that has been corrupted with the 17th amendment). I am a resident of NJ, and conservative. My state is “blue”, my governor is “red”. I have no doubt that he is conservative in his views, but he also has to govern his State where the legislature is Democrats. We have a large urban population that is solidly Democrat, and a far larger area of productive land that is solidly Republican – but less dense in population.

    I don’t object to voting on principle, but I do object to the idea that one should back away from supporting a candidate because he doens’t match all the aspects of the principle. Come out in the primaries for your candidate, but support the chosen candidate of the party that more closely matches your view in the general election. The process of moving toward a large central government has taken over 100 years, the return to a more rational form can’t be done in one election. That is not a surrender, it is reality. Negotiation is necessary when there are opposing views, the way to win is to compromise on enough small things to win on the major things. You can only stand pat when you know you have a winning hand.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Re: “You said you voted on principle but didn’t answer my question of who you voted for on principle.”

    Oh I am sorry, am I supposed to answer all of your questions while you don’t answer mine?

    I thought we were going to discuss the record of the man who you claim WOULD have been the second best President of the last century? I don’t blame you for trying to worm your way out of that but you are the one who made those assertions.

    Since I am not defending any candidate from the 2012 election cycle, your trying to introduce a red herring by setting up a straw-man argument.

    Nice try.

    Re: “Of course we thinking what if people had just a little common sense and voted for Romney.”

    Who is this “we”?

    So far you haven’t shown any signs of common sense. You reject the principles this country was founded on and assert your erroneous opinions as facts.

    Have you ever heard of the principles for having a rational argument?

    Rule #1:

    You can’t argue with someone who is intentionally trying to mislead or deceive you.

    Rule #2:

    You can’t argue with someone who is UNWILLING to reason well.

    Rule #3:

    You can’t argue with someone who is UNABLE to reason well.

    Rule #4:

    An argument has to give reasons for believing or accepting the conclusion.

    http://www.criticalthinkeracademy.com/13-the-rules-of-rational-argumentation.html

    Anyways, I am concluding our little chat. Goodnight.

    ~BTG

  • Guest

    Christi’s intent was to do the best he could for the people in his state who were so badly affected by storm Sandy. That is his job. If welcoming Obama was what he thought was necessary to get what his people needed then that is what he has to do. Too bad he was just being taken for a ride by BO. I can’t in good conscience hold it against him.

  • Guest

    That is exactly what BlueMN wants. He’s a lefty.

  • Guest

    That is exactly what he’s saying.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Anyways, I was reading up on the Dick Armey and Freedom Works fiasco and came across some interesting things.

    “The principal value to anyone from the relationship with Beck was Matt Kibbe, who got to share Beck’s stage with him,” ~Dick Armey

    “The arrangement was simply FreedomWorks paid Glenn Beck money and Glenn Beck said nice things about FreedomWorks on the air,” Armey, the former House majority leader, told Media Matters Friday. “I saw that a million dollars went to Beck this past year, that was the annual expenditure.”

    “Mother Jones further reported that the organization “plans to continue its financial support for Glenn Beck’s media enterprise, including sharing a TV studio with and leasing office space to the Washington bureau of TheBlaze, Beck’s website and TV network.”

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/01/04/exclusive-dick-armey-dishes-on-freedomworks-dea/192036

    Looks like your hero Glenn Beck can be bought and is in bed with Satan himself, Matt Kibbe.

    BTW, for anyone who is thinking about having a knee-jerk reaction to the source of the article, Dick Armey gave Media Matters the interview.

  • Guest

    One thing we have to do is not make the social issues the center of our platform as they are only supported by the very far right. We need to make the economy and liberty our focal point (jobs, security of our freedoms etc) which moderate and far right conservatives support.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Good for you, thanks for sharing.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with US LAW on this. Your not thinking at all that is your problem. You talk-talk-talk but in the end you are part of the problem we are haviving trying get get anything accomplished. It is not just the fact that people of your ilk did not vote for Romney but all the negativity thrown at him after the primaries were over gave Obama a very big edge.

  • Anonymous

    Romney was nor evil. Stop bearing false witness against him. It is evil unto itself.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Is that the best red-herring you can come up with?

    LOL, keep exposing your RINO mentality

  • Anonymous

    Blue Tail you really need to take a long look at yourself. USLaw is right you lack all common sense.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Ahhhh, did some get exposed as a RINO?

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Yeah yeah yeah, your Relativism is showing.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Is someone going on a tyrade because they have been exposed as irrational and a RINO?

  • Anonymous

    Obama redistributes taxpayer dollars and every cent he can borrow. That is who he is. That is what he does. Christie would have gotten the money anyway. Romney was picking up a lot of momentum and that incident along with the storm really hurt him.

  • Anonymous

    You talk a lot of nonsense. Your way past the point of any kind of logical reasoning.

  • Anonymous

    Agreed!

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    “[N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws
    will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend of the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen onto
    any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man.” ~Samuel Adams

    Funny how you and your friends from the “Conservative” Push work to subvert these principles at every turn.

  • Guest

    Unfortunately for Christi, he was misread by his actions and hung out to dry. Obama ended up kicking him in the teeth so to speak for good measure. Obama wanted the PR and got it at Christi’s expense.

  • Anonymous

    A progressive Republican is a Democrat.
    A progressive Democrat is a Socialist.
    A progressive Libertarian is a non-sequitur.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Sam Fisher

    Christie is the same person as Obama. Stop fooling yourself.

  • Anonymous

    Christie got the PR at Romney’s expense and Romney did a lot to help him get elected as well as many others. There is no way I can vote for Christie in the primary. I just don’t have any respect for him. I would vote for him in the general election over Hillary and will not talk against him after the after the primary is over. I am from Florida and Jeb Bush was an excellent governor and administrator but I could never vote for him in a national election primary. We had a lot of hurricanes and he was really on top of it all.The politics at the national level are different with open borders and such.

  • Anonymous

    Since when does a Conservative stand behind a pro-ObamaCare, pro-gun control, pro-global warming, vindictive (photo-opping arm-in-arm with Obama because Romney didn’t choose him as his VP), non-supportive (leaving Cucinelli out to dry)? Really???? I’d equate this support to someone asking the ugly girl/guy to the Spring dance when it is only September because they’re worried about not having a date. How is he any different from Obama? Wake up people…RINOs end up in the death of the country, it is just a slower death.

  • ken williams

    recognizing that Mitt is “an honorable and decent man” has nothing to do with the trashing of his policies – I suspect that if Glenn ragged on Mitt is was likely directed at his policies, not the man. Of course you could argue that they “should” be one in the same, as evident with ASSHOLE of a president we now have . . and you would not necessarily be wrong. Mitt definitely would have brought respect back to the white house . . sad we are where we are and so many just don’t get it . . . push on people !

  • B D

    Glenn Beck is an irrelevant media, and the way he’s bashing Christie is just another example of it. But here’s the truth about Beck: he plays to his core audience of 300K hard right, under-educated religious extremists. They’re the people who buy every book, every show ticket, merchandise, freeze dried food and over-priced old French gold coins. All Beck really cares about is making money. He’s a huckster who uses religion and patriotism to strip mine the bank accounts of gullible people. Beck is exactly like the Clintons – he hones his image based on market research in order to enrich himself. Notice how he changed his look and dropped the end times are coming routine? He did it because he was being roundly ridiculed and he deserved it after crying wolf for so many years. Once a huckster, always a huckster. Wake up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8-cduo2Wgk

  • B D

    A CONSERVATIVE FUNDIE IS AN ELECTION LOSER. Face it. You religious fascists will never win a major national election. It’s over.

  • B D

    Beck doesn’t care who wins, he’s only interested in building his brand. Period.

  • B D

    The problem is not the political parties. It’s how elections are financed and controlled by elite special interests.

    And you’re exactly on target with your comment about the religious bigots. They helped Obama win a second term.

  • ₩ASP

    the ship has sailed on that one since 9/11

  • Anonymous

    Mitt Romney would have been a blessing in the White House. Barack Obama is a curse. I believe the same can be said if our choice turns out to be between Christie & Hillary Clinton. Better a moderate Republican than Hillary who, when you come right down to it, is just Barack Obama with boobs. They share the same ideology & the ideology is what is dangerous.

  • traceydavidb

    I simply expressed my opinion that in this upcoming election, the most imortant thing for this county will be getting the socialists out. You are certainly free to disagree but condescension is not necessary.

  • Fat Lip

    Poisoning the well ? if indeed we sum up political parties as wells we as citizens are standing at two separate dry wells . This is why we thirst for something new .

  • Jerry Sutton

    BADFLYT Flip flop Mor-on you are . Changing ones position does not a sin make. If you have never changed your mind you are a fool. Flip means you started in one position then moved to another then if you Flop you change back to your original position. Which is in itself not necessarily bad.

  • Jerry Sutton

    Judy, Judy, Judy, When you hear of someone crapping in your well, you don’t accuse the one who tells you he saw it, of poisoning the Well. Unless of course you don’t mind drinking from a well that has been poisoned.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    No need to get rude and insulting, unless you can’t defend your position. Which you can’t.

    Quotes about abortion from Mitt “The Severely Conservative” Romney:

    “I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country.” 1994

    “I am not pro-choice.” 2001

    “I will preserve and protect a woman’s right to choose.” 2002

    “I am actually committed to my promise to maintain the status quo with regards to laws related to abortion and choice.” 2005

    1. authorized tax-funded surgical elective abortion two years after he claimed he was pro-life.

    2. advocated grisly research on embryos after he claimed a pro-life conversion.

    3. nominated a pro-abort Democrat judge after he claimed a pro-life conversion.

    4. gave Planned Parenthood a permanent seat on a state board after he claimed a pro- life conversion.

    5. bragged that he would continue to defend abortion “rights” after he claimed a pro-life conversion.

    Would you like to keep discussing this topic or would you like to move on to another one?

  • Jerry Sutton

    Judy sounds a lot like the Cathy who got Glenn’s goat causing him to scream at the mike. She’s a progressive troll trying to do it again.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Sam Fisher

    It is time for this country to turn to the third well that never runs out of water.

  • Amy P.

    Judy is DRUNK :-O

  • Anonymous

    Sadly I have to agree with you, although I don’t know if you are one of the Liberal gadflies on this forum or a conservative. I have been disappointed in The Blaze – even though I love the Real News show. Glenn’s segments are sometimes cogent, but too often seem almost to be infomercials. I realize he has to make money to support The Blaze as a network, but sometimes enough is too much.

  • Guest

    I don’t have a feel for Jeb, but I sure wouldn’t go for Christie in the primaries either.

  • Guest

    It hurt both Romney and Christie. I think he thought he would get big bucks faster from Obama, but he got screwed instead.

  • Guest

    I don’t know what you are talking about, but then neither do you. No one is subverting any principles here.

  • Guest

    You call it anything you want, everyone else calls it the truth.

  • Guest

    So you lost on that point.

  • Guest

    Are you? Then just stop.

  • Guest

    So, you use Media Matters for your reference work. It figures. Go back over there.

  • Deshandra Mare

    Glenn is 100% right. Wake up people ! Until we Conservatives take a firm stand and hold the GOP’s feet to the fire, they will continue to stuff these progressive RINOs down America’s throat. Do NOT SETTLE for ANOTHER POS. If America is going down because people are not willing to stand up, then that will be our fate. But can we at least go down swinging, with our hair on fire, and not go down in a whimper ?
    We MUST put our small differences with other political persuasions aside, and work for what the country MUST HAVE IN ORDER TO SURVIVE. Petty differences are what always separate Conservatives–because we hold ourselves to such high standards. Democrats do not have that problem, they are willing to put their differences aside for their “mission”. Unfortunately, their mission is the destruction of our Constitution and the America that we know & love.

  • Anonymous

    it did hurt the both of them Charlie Crist was a popular governor of Florida and did the same thing. It cost him his bid for the Senate which Rubio won. It doesn’t well when people do politic photo shoots with Obama clearing sucking up to get money. Obama dangles money in front of everyone. That is how he has gotten the power to implement a government dominated welfare and surveillance society. You take the money but don’t do a lot of smiling and sucking up. People know Obama is making a fool out of them and it is painful to watch..

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Again with the ‘red herrings’, you don’t read very well do you?

    Let me REPEAT myself:

    “BTW, for anyone who is thinking about having a knee-jerk reaction to the
    source of the article, Dick Armey gave Media Matters the interview.”

    Your stated “problem” is with Dick Armey, not me. So either you had a knee-jerk RINO reaction and didn’t think it through, or you are purposefully being deceitful.

    Since WE have history and you know that I am not from Media Matters, WE both know you are being deceitful. After all, YOU have been following me with “Goldenrod” for roughly 6 months with the ‘DISQUS Follow’ feature, along with other socks from your group.

    I suspect that your “republican” ideology and worldview are at odds. Which would explain why it doesn’t bother you to undermine ‘republican principles’ when it serves your desires. Could be you just never believed in them in the first place…

    ~BTG

    “As no man can serve two masters, no man can pursue two contrary interests . . .” ~Algernon Sydney

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Paging Glenn Beck, your disciples are out of control again…

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    If you can, please define ‘liberty’ because when you are against the “far right” and their social issues, it sounds like you really don’t know what you are talking about.

    While you are at it, could you also define what “far right” means to you?

    Thanks,

    ~BTG

    “[L]iberty . . . is not a licentiousness of doing what is pleasing to every one against the command of God; but an exemption from all human laws, to which they have not given their assent.” ~Algernon Sydney

  • Anonymous

    “….just Barack Obama with boobs.” Ay, you’ve almost ruined my dinner! In spite of your creepy analogy, I agree with you.

  • kevin

    I see your a very sad and angry man. It seems like you have run out of legitimate Networks. The good news is that there is a lot of volunteer “Community Access Channels”.

  • Guest

    Don’t bother to repeat anything. You use other peoples words in an attempt to make your own feeble points and then tell people that they should take it up with it’s origin, not you. LMFAO! That is really lame.

    ” After all, YOU have been following me with “Golddenrod” for roughly 6 months…….” So what – no relevance to anything here, but we all know you grasp at straws.

    Go build another strawman, and while you’re at it, give a big hug to your friends at Mother Jones and Media Matters for the awesome quotes you get from them.

  • Guest

    Paging Dr Feelgood, or anyone at Western State Hospital, your patient Devin is off his meds again…..

  • Guest

    If you want definitions, look them up.

    I never said I was “against the “far right” and their social issues”, that is your mischaracterization. Reread what I posted.

    Apparently, it is YOU who doesn’t know what he is talking about.

  • Anonymous

    Hell is a place without children, personal responsibility, purpose, competition, discomfort, problems, losers or individual purpose. Everything is equal and equally distributed. Everyone wins at everything they do all the time.

    There are millions of Jesus impersonators in Hell still annoying everyone by trying to take credit for softening their pain with other peoples money – even though no one now has any reason for pain.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    I am well aware of the definitions found in a dictionary, what I question is your use of those terms.

    Sorry about “mischaracterizing” you, but I don’t recall any republican ever referring to “social issue republicans” as “very far right” unless they were really against them. After all, that is what the Democrats refer to them as.

    Naturally, I have also never heard someone refer to themselves as “very far right”. Clearly, you wish to distinguish those republicans from yourself. Add that to your rejection of republican principles and.it doesn’t paint a pretty picture of you.

    ~BTG

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    What compels you to keep demonstrating your irrational thinking?

    Do you not see how your arguments fall flat on their face?

    You cannot correct a lie, with more lies.The more you defend your irrational positions, the more absurd you become.

    I have been quoting the founders of this country, promoting the necessary principles for a republic, while you try to undermine their words. Yet, you claim I am friends with Mother Jones and Media Matters while you are a…..?

    Clearly not a conservative with that worldview of yours.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Does using my name change the fact you are wrong?

    It only shows you to be a vindictive troll, instead of merely a troll.

    Are you affiliated with Glenn Beck in any way?

    In other words, are you being paid to stalk and harass people or is that just a personal hobby of yours?

  • Guest

    Try rereading what I wrote for the content and context.
    I haven’t referred to myself as very far right, and if you don’t recall any republican ever referring to “social issue republicans” as “very far right” then it tells a lot about you. Don’t let you out often do they? Your exposure to the here and now is lacking.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    I know you haven’t referred to yourself as “very far right”, that was my point. You are a RINO that works to undermine republican principles, a rotter.

    Six days to respond with that nonsense? You are truly a pathetic.troll. lol

  • Guest

    Since you are the one who likes to use other peoples names, or address them by using names other than their profile names, or otherwise “out” people (everyone knows now about your traitorous acts) I thought you were due (vindictive behavior is something you excel at it seems from what I have heard, but you can’t take being on the other end, can you).

    Now, exactly what is it I am wrong about? Be specific.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    LOL, there you go projecting yourself again. Do you get paid to be this obsessed or does it just come naturally?

  • Guest

    LMAO! Do you really think I am beholden to a timetable in responding to your silly tripe? I reply on MY time, when and where it pleases me. Unlike you, I have a life in the real world.

    “You are a RINO that works to undermine republican principles, a rotter.” You are a very poor judge of others, as you continue to show. You call names to elevate yourself, and while that may work in your head, it is a pitiful thing to see. You have to one day realize, that YOUR views are not the defining ideology of conservativism, they are only one small faction of it. This makes YOU the truly pathetic troll. Deal with it.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    I really don’t think you are beholden to any reality.

    If you think your irrational posts validate your absurd assertions, better think again. So you don’t go away mad this time, here is a little song for your journey back to Troll HQ.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRQlHlhR_A4

  • Watch it

    “I really don’t think …..” . . That is your problem, you really don’t think. Instead you fabricate silly put-downs to substitute for a rational response, all the while mischaracterizing what was actually posted. I would say don’t go away mad, but you are what you are, so I will say don’t go away angry (the proper grammatical usage) just go away, mad troll.

    I will forgo watching your entertainment – it couldn’t be worth the time.

  • Watch it

    Oh, my dear boy, the one projecting here is you, that is plain to see.

  • Guest

    Everyone knows that.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    OMG! It’s XXXSandie!

    I would have never guessed. LOL

  • Guest

    It is really pathetic how you try so hard to misconstrue what others point out in a desperate effort tom remove yourself from the point of the pin.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Have we been drinking tonight?

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    I love these convo’s you have with yourself, a true sign of a troll.

  • Watch it

    All one needs to do is check the account name for “Watch it” Wow, your intelligence level is so …. so ….. sooo naa. not there.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    That’s real tricky changing your account name. You are a true genius.

    Re: “Wow, your intelligence level is so …. so ….. sooo naa. not there.”

    I thought that was your leader’s name? LOL

  • Guest

    Enjoy your delusions troll. I am not having any “convo’s” with myself. Talking to ones self is something you are familiar with I am sure.

  • Guest

    Have fun with . it’s way past my bed time.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Okay, nitey nite Watch it, I mean Golddenrod. ;-)

    LOL

  • Watch it

    I didn’t change my account name, it still is XXXSandie.

    You are getting more incoherent as the night goes on.

  • Watch it

    You can’t keep the simplest things straight in your mind.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Do you ever wonder why no one comes to your little RINO troll site?

  • Watch it

    I don’t have a “little RINO troll site”, but I am sure you will make up some preposterous garbage.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Re: “You can’t keep the simplest things straight in your mind.”

    That is hilarious coming from a Pantheist.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjxSCAalsBE

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    I thought you were the moderator of the “Conservative” Push? Or did they get wise and boot you out?

  • Watch it

    WOW Devin knows a $5 word. How impressive. Too bad you don’t know the meaning of it as is obvious in the way you are attempting to apply it.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    How is the Yoga coming along?

  • Watch it

    More irrelevance. You can’t stay on topic without the meds? Better get back on the wagon.

  • Watch it

    What ever makes you think I am a moderator at TCP?

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    The fact you don’t see the relevance is hysterical. So much for trying to portray yourself as someone with a keen intellect.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    That’s for me to know and you to keep guessing. lol

  • Watch it

    So much for your inability to grasp anything in the realm of reality. You didn’t need to confirm it.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Are you affiliated with Glenn Beck in anyway?

  • Watch it

    Well, there’s something else you think you know but don’t. I don’t have to guess, because I’m not – never was.

  • Watch it

    ROTFLMAO!

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    I would like to believe you Sandin, but being that you are a Pantheist, or Relativist to be more precise, and are a habitual liar, your words are empty.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Is that laughter meant to be a diversion from the question, or are you laughing at the thought of Glenn hiring an incompetent person such as yourself?

  • Watch it

    I don’t care what you believe, because it is not important. Also, your inept, mischaracterization of me, as a veiled attempt to denigrate and belittle, and your lies, are a pathetic revelation about who and what you really are.

    Hurry now with a retort full of stabs and other nonsense. You are foaming at the mouth and looking back over your past retorts to see what you can drag out again. Gawd it must be hell in your brain.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Projecting projecting, that is all poor little Sandin can do.

    There is no mischaracterization of you or your other socks in this thread. Anyways, I am done with this old thread, you have been shown to be a rat and so my work here is done.

    Thanks for playing!

  • Watch it

    It is sad how you continue to fabricate silly put-downs to substitute for a rational response, repeating the same nonsense in an attempt to denigrate.

    Now Devin, you can deny all you want, but it doesn’t make it so. You can fabricate all you want in your pathetic attempts to belittle but it doesn’t make it true either. You can project your screwed up mental state on me and others, and that doesn’t make it true either.

    Stay in your world of denial and projection. It is plain to everyone that you are indeed mischaraterizing me and twisting what I say. You think such bizarre things, and unfortunately you are believing what you think LOL.

    “Thanks for playing!” . . . LMAO! That is such a trite unoriginal retort. I see the losers use it all the time when they want to run away because they are getting their ass-whooped. But then again, all you can do is quote others. You lack originality and critical thought.Thanks for confirming that you are a loser. Your sign off told it all – it is your way of saying “Uncle” . . . Have a nice night. Oh yeah, and don’t forget those meds!

  • Watch it

    There is no relevance. You are hallucinating again.

  • Watch it

    That is laughter at you. What is pathetic though is that you still try to fabricate new jabs. Well, I must give you A for effort, but alas it is F for accomplishment. You are so inept, Devin.

    Glenn has a very successful site, unfortunately for you, you don’t. Just accept that you are a failure, Devin. Let it go. It will free you.

  • Guest

    No one cares what you think, as it is all delusional mish mosh and crazy rhetoric. The one with the absurd assertions and irrational posts here is you. Just look at that mess you wrote. Baseless, rambling.

  • Guest

    Still buzzing around here? Someone swat that stupid fly.