Glenn brutally analyzes the 2016 GOP field with David Barton

After Glenn, Pat, and Stu handicapped the 32 candidates put forth the Republican National Committee in its 2016 straw poll yesterday, David Barton joined the radio program this morning to offer his take. While David’s list primarily lines up with Glenn’s, there were a few discrepancies that were a cause for conversation.

To begin, Glenn asked David to assess the “health” of the GOP. Furthermore, if the Republican Party is in fact fractured like many people believe it to be, will it be the establishment or the conservatives that emerge as the real leaders of the party?

“I think you’ve got several levels. I think the ‘leadership’ health is not strong. I think the ‘base’ health is fairly strong. I do like what I’m seeing in the pushing back in a number of state parties in a much more conservative direction. So I think you’ve got two GOPs now,” David said. “I think the people eventually win. What I’m seeing now of the people is different from what I’ve seen in my lifetime. And they are starting to get in the process. They are starting to teach themselves and learn. They are starting to get deeper than just the headlines.”

The conversation then switched gears to the 2016 election. Glenn, Pat, and Stu whittled the field down to about 12 candidates using the logic that if they didn’t know enough about someone, they would leave them on the list. David handicapped the list using a similar set of guidelines:

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While Glenn was quick to eliminate New Jersey Governor Chris Christie from contention, David was more open-minded.

“See, on the standard of pragmatism, I don’t go forward,” David said of Christie. “On the standard of ‘voice to be heard,’ I do. His bluntness and his in-your-face with the media is refreshing. I would send him forward on that basis. But politically, I wouldn’t send him forward.”

Another shocker was David’s decision to send former Speaker of the House Net Gingrich through to the next round. Glenn staunchly believes Gingrich is a dangerous progressive voice, but David believes he is actually good on many issues.

“Newt I would do because the debate he raises over judges. For example, abolishing the Ninth Circuit. He knows bureaucracy better than anybody else and knows judges better,” David explained. “But see, he also brings a debate element that’s really fun to talk about. He brings issues up that nobody else will bring up and that’s where I would send Newt – just to have the debate and just to get the debate going.”

David also defended Senator Marco Rubio. Pat, on the other hand, said Sen. Rubio is dead to him.

“Marco Rubio is going to bring good perspective. I’d listen to Marco,” David said. “See, there are issues like [immigration], and there are other issues he’s really good on… But he’s got himself branded now and tarnished with that. If you take that issue out of the debates, he would add a lot more in other areas. But the problem is, can you get past that issue?”

Finally, one of the biggest areas of disagreement surrounded former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee. While David is a fan and friend of Huckabee, Glenn is definitely not a supporter.

“You want him on the list,” Glenn asked in relation to Huckabee. “He is a giant progressive!”

“I think he’s going to be heard. He’s already in the poll, and he’s a frontrunner. In South Carolina, all the early primary states, he is ahead of everybody,” David said. “I know Mike too well. I know how he’s portrayed, and I know Club For Growth doesn’t like him. But I just have known Mike too long.”

  • http://www.putoldonhold.com/members Barb M

    Please, David, don’t join Glenn and grow a beard. He’s starting to look like an aging hippie.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Every election Glenn begins with saying how he is through voting for the RINO’s/Progresssives and then he always ends up supporting them anyways. After the election, this cycle begins anew. Interesting note of observation, the political hacks/trolls who claim to be conservative do the same.

    Maybe just a coincidence but the RINO politicians do the opposite while that is happening. They pretend to become more “severely conservative” as the elections draw forth.

    Stop circling the wagons around who the establishment preselects as our choices. Especially when they are not eligible (Cruz, Rubio, Jindal), that only helps deteriorate the rule of law. Or is it all about winning elections, no matter what the cost?

    In other words; if we are going to sell the farm to win, what will we have won?

    “When you become entitled to exercise the right of voting for public officers, let it be impressed on your mind that God commands you to choose for rulers just men who will rule in the fear of God. The preservation of a republican government depends on the faithful discharge of this duty; if the citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted; laws will be made not for the public good so much as for selfish or local purposes; corrupt or incompetent men will be appointed to execute the laws; the public revenues will be squandered on unworthy men; and the rights of the citizens will be violated or disregarded. If a republican government fails to secure public prosperity and happiness, it must be because the citizens neglect the Divine commands and elect bad men to make and administer the laws.” ~Noah Webster, History of the United States

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Sam Fisher

    I want Rand Paul. He is not prefect but by far I feel one of the better people on this list.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Sam Fisher

    I agree beards don’t work for everyone.

  • Anonymous

    If someone (who???) can get a young, inexperienced senator who barely showed up for work elected to the presidency, why can’t we, the people, find someone outside of Washington’s anointed and promote that person, fund them, etc. and finally get a real statesman elected? I’m tired of such lousy choices.

  • DILLIGAF

    This is a two thought process; What candidate is the closest to reflecting your personal values? What candidate with values that appeal to you has the best chance of winning a general election? Personally, if I had to pick one from the list of 32, who I like most on the list is Ted Cruz, but the one I would support because he is electable and I would trust to put America ahead of politics is Mitch Daniels. It’s not all about who you like because it doesn’t matter unless your person wins the primaries.

  • Lucas Forde

    Rand Paul is very on fence on issues and I don’t want another first Bush.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Sam Fisher

    This is my choice? Like I said he is not prefect but I still feel he is in the right direction on a few key issues. Who is yours if you don’t mind me asking?

  • Lucas Forde

    Ted Cruz because need strong candidate to go against Hilliary and not on the fence. Also not with him on the government shutdown quote,”Well, I said throughout the whole battle of shutting down the government was a dumb idea.” From Red State November 19 2013.

  • Lucas Forde

    He also supported Mitch McConnell thats also scary.

  • Take 2

    I would rather have a GOP progressive lite that gets cross over votes vs
    Clinton or Brown Jr.

    WE will be at 20 Trillion as predicted and In a major war with Islam
    That will allow Obama to decree a stay over via executive order acts
    in time of actual war. HOWEVER, Obama is removed if we stay focused
    On 2014 vote vs 2016.

  • http://www.putoldonhold.com/members Barb M

    Sam, thank you for your reply but with all due respect. beards don’t work for anyone. Please see my reasoning here: http://www.expertclick.com/NRWire/Releasedetails.aspx?id=51027

  • http://www.putoldonhold.com/members Barb M

    Elevenarrows: We can’t get a decent person elected because of one or more of (but not limited to) the following:
    1.Preponderance of brain dead voters who will fall for anything.The only thing they are interested in is sex, drugs, entertainment and Facebook. (And we don’t know how to use Facebook effectively.)
    2.The media.
    3. The election just gets stolen.
    4. Establishment Repubs won’t help principle-driven candidates
    5. Growing entitlement mindset that has infected people who ought to know better.

  • Anonymous

    Cruz, Paul, Haley, Carson, Pence, Palin, Martinez, Jindal (all as VP candidates or President)

  • B D

    No one that matters gives a priest-fart about what Beck says on this topic. And David Barton is as bad. He’s been thoroughly discredited and recognized as a hack.

  • Anonymous

    No matter who is nominated, the left will try to demonize them. Going with a moderate who appeals to Independents does not help the situation.
    We need a real Conservative who can think on his feet during the onslaught, and Cruz is the best, followed by Paul.

  • Anonymous

    I agree. Ben Carson for president. We can promote it by saying second black president versus first woman hack.

  • William E Ramer

    Well stated Gadfly, The wrath of God is being invited by the public s

  • Patriot Sass

    We have to work harder because the media is going to try and destroy ANYONE that is endorsed. That is why they investigating Christie. That is why they hate Sarah Palin. They know that both of them speak out and the people love that about both of them. I believe that Dr. Ben Carson could win. He will get the minority votes and plenty of us have great respect for him. I believe he would win Michigan, Illinois, California, Texas, Ohio and other states that would be lost. Most people that I know have never liked Hillary. He is an abrasive person that has always been protected by the left wing media, but she does put her foot in her mouth with often repeated zingers. “What difference at this point does it matter? She cannot live that one down no matter what the media does.

  • Glennfriend67

    Hey! What about Congressman Trey Gowdy (R-SC)? He’s totally freakin’ awesome!! I’d vote for him in a heartbeat!

  • Anonymous

    Hmmm didn’t hear Ben Carson mentioned. He’s great – speaks his mind and backs up what he says. Yeah, hasn’t been in the “ring” so to speak, but given the right staff and V.P. he would do a great job.
    Another that’s at the top of my list is Judge Napolitano – now he knows law and Washington. He could wipe the Dems.

  • Scientific Theory

    The funny thing is that no one on this list outside of Chris Christie has a chance in hell of beating Hillary Clinton. Scott Walker maybe has a punchers chance but lets be honest, Cruz vs Clinton? What are the odds that the media creates the perspective of Old white Racist bat shit crazy gun nut VS First woman president. Look guys i’m a libertarian and I would love to see Rand Paul become president but it’s just not gonna happen. The country is too far gone for anything like that to occur and the media is far to leftist to allow a world view like the one he has to permeate the culture as a whole. I want you all to just close your eyes and imagine a world where Ted Cruz is the republican candidate for president. Now I want you to imagine putting on CNN, or NBC, or CBS or ABC news and tell me what you see day after day.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Sam Fisher

    I can go for him as well he seems like a great choice.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Sam Fisher

    True.

  • William E Ramer

    BD, You gotta get off the koolaid, it’s messing with your mind.

  • Anonymous

    Neither was Obama. Nobody ever heard of his sorry butt until Soros got him in the race. He was a no name do nothing senator with no experience at anything but community organizing. But somehow America lost their minds a voted for a guy who told them he was a Marxist radical. I guarantee you Ben Carson won’t seal all of his records! Someday, the truth will come out and it will be confirmed that We The People have been had.

  • Anonymous

    NOOOOOOO to Huckabee, Christi, Gingrich and Rubio!

  • Anonymous

    Before the Republican Party can even hope to win the White House they have to take some serious inventory. The Republican Party has to unite and stop fighting against each other. As much as I hate to say it, Senator Schumer hit the nail right on the head when he said that the Republican Party isn’t organized like the Democrats. How right he is. The Democrats do their fair share of mud slinging at each other during primaries but nowhere near what Republicans do. In 2008 and 2012 when Republican candidates were competing for the nomination, their debates seemed to be nothing but big mud fights. To me that is a big turn off and I know I am not the only one who thinks that way. I think that the Republican candidates should have stopped throwing mud at each other in the debates and focused more on putting a Republican in the White House. When a Democrat wins the nomination, the rest of the party put their differences aside and they all give support to the nominee. That hasn’t happened in the Republican Party since Reagan. If you remember, a few million Republican crybabies stayed home on election day because their candidate didn’t get the nomination or they voted for a useless write-in or independent. Most importantly, the Republicans need to go back to the conservative principals that has served them so well in the past, and need to give full support to who ever wins the nomination instead of acting like a bunch of spoiled crybabies. Democrats Beat out Republicans by government dependency, ignorance, spitefulness, misguided party loyalty and apathy. When you research all these factors, all they had to do was sit back and watch the Republicans cut their own throats.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, what a prophetic statement!!!
    Unfortunately, there has been no national repentance – not even after 2 eccomonic crashes at the end of Shemittah years back to back in 2001 and 2008 – and so the next one in Sept/15 will be catastrophic. It’s understandable that everyone wants to believe that everthing will continue as it always has – the people in Noah’s day all believed that he was crazy building a boat in the middle of a field – but the unrighteousness of man does have an end and I’m affraid that 2016 will see a world totally transformed. The signs in the heavens – blood moons, solar flares & eclipses, comets, meteors, etc… and the signs on the earth, wars & rumors of wars, earthquakes, pestilences, famines, the Russian/Iranian aliance and most importantly Israel reborn, repopulated and surrounded by enemies, all demonstrate clearly that judgement day is close at hand and the age of grace is coming to a close.
    Obama will bankrupt the US by destroying the dollar and impose martial law before the 2016 presidential elections come up so the game of trying to pick the Rebulican candidate now is entirely irrelevant.
    “Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.” Luke 21:28

  • Brian Moon

    Glenn, why do we need contention? Let’s call on someone that doesn’t need to rattle his tin cup along the bars every day. John Barrasso or Mike Enzi.

  • Anonymous

    I guess we forget about the eligibility requirements just as we have with Obummer?

  • Anonymous

    Gingrich sold US sovereignty down the river with the GATT treaty…if he did it once he’ll do it again.

  • Mike Nelson

    I like Cruz too, but we go back to the (and I hate the word, but it’s right in this case) Zeitgeist of the voting mentality. So the question is, can Cruz get elected?

    And if he can’t, do we still want to run him?

    I’m convinced that his reputation has been trampled to the point of ineffectiveness with anyone in the center of the political spectrum, and given competition by someone like Paul Ryan or Marco Rubio, I think we end up with the bad option again, due to the same media that elected 0bama. Can you imagine Hillary running against Cruz and asking the brain-dead electorate, “Do you really want a man who wanted to shut down the gov’t to be your president?”

    The answer, of course, is YES, but I would submit that that’s not how the public will answer in their voting.

    I don’t see a win in 2016… so on that level, maybe going for the Hail Mary (which imo, Cruz is) might be the right answer after all.

    In any case, it’s WAY too early for any serious punditry; 21 months is a loooong time away.

  • Lucas Forde

    Yes because people are looking for someone that doesn’t bow to the republican and democrat establishment hence 42% people are independents! Plus I think Cruz pulls a Ronald Reagan runs against GOP winner general I still think he would have a chance to win. I think we need to stop settling for progressives.

  • Verjoy

    All I know is that conservatives need to pick their candidate and get behind him immediately, otherwise it will be the same as last time. the conservative candidates get picked off one by one and by the time the process is over the rhino has enough votes to secure the nomination. lets not let that happen again.

  • Influence Freedom

    Definitely Rand

  • Influence Freedom

    I LOVE LOVE LOVE beards on certain men. My husband has only been without a beard once in 26 years. I love his beard.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with Beck. Huckabee is too progressive.

  • Anonymous

    They’re both eligible. Both were born to American citizens. No matter where either one was born, they are both naturalized citizens of the United States, because their mothers were citizens. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/aug/20/ted-cruz-born-canada-eligible-run-president/

  • Anonymous

    No, real conservatives won’t vote at all, if it’s Christie vs. Clinton on the ballot, and liberals will vote Democrat. Christie doesn’t stand a chance.

  • Anonymous

    Is he as progressive as Hillary? Kerry? Obama? Pelosi? Reid?

    There’s progressive, and then there’s PROGRESSIVE, as in COMMUNIST.

    In looking over the potential list, no one’s perfect. No one’s Reagan, or some other true conservative hero. Maybe Cruz. Except, he’s valuable in the Senate. Focussing purely on the White House is not focussing on the real problem: the corrupt nature of all of Washington.

    And no Republican is going to say “Both parties need to leave.”

  • Crassus

    Napolitano is a Troofer. No thanks.

  • Anonymous

    I like Dr. Carson, but he has no experience in government and we elected someone like that last time. Also I heard that he is against guns. Does anyone know if that’s true?

  • Crassus

    You forget that Thunder Thighs is in awful health and could very well be dead or incapacitated by the time 2016 rolls around. Don’t anoint that fat hag yet.

  • Anonymous

    It’s just that there are only a few names the uninformed voter can even recognize at this stage…Huckabee being one of those. Let the field be identified a little better and things will change….it won’t be Mike, it won’t be Rubio and definitely not Christie. I’ll put my money on Cruz. Reagan rose to prominence because of his ability to articulate the conservative story to the common man….Cruz has that ability.

  • Billy Sikes

    With Hillary or whoever starting with 47% of the vote, it is hard to see how a Republican can win. I am certainly convinced Rand and Cruz can’t win and that is all that matters. Any Republican would better than these idiot Democrats.

  • Dyann Romeijn

    Ben Carson!! We need someone with the Ability To Bring People together. I think he can do that. So much division in this country and they are trying to create racial and class warfare. Ben Carson can end those things. He truly came from extreme poverty. He is a unifying conservative voice with intelligence and logic. We need someone like Ben to help rebuild what we can be as a nation.

  • 13citizen13

    I like Trey Gowdy. I think he could hold his own in a debate with clinton.

  • man joe

    pauls the clear frontrunner

  • Matthew blair

    Ben Carson has my vote. Very good man, smart, not corrupt. Outsider. This may be the only way to restore this great country

  • Danny Lampron

    Ted Cruze is Canadian.. He was born in Canada. so your choice should be Rand Paul… He is the best option you have

  • Anonymous

    Y E S !!! TREY IS MY MAN–TAKE NO PRISONERS–SMART AS A WHIP–
    ‘TAINT AFRAID TO TELL IT LIKE IT IS–HE AND CRUZ WOULD BE A DYNAMITE TEAM–WE MUST HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS A CONSTITUTIONALIST–NOT SOME MEALY MOUTH BLUSH IF THE POTUS LOOKS AT YOU AND BE ABLE TO TAKE KILLERY TO THE MAT AND NOT BE AFRAID TO DO SO!!
    TREY GOWDY–TREY GOWDY–JIM JARDON–MAYBE TREY AS ATTORNEY GENERAL ALSO BUT WE MUST BACK THE NEW BUNCH AND TELL EVERY RINO TO GET ON BOARD WITH US OR GET OUT OF THE WAY!! AND YES–I’M SHOUTING–I’M SO SICK AND TIRED OF THIS LIAR IN CHIEF I CAN’T SEE STRAIGHT!! TREY WOULD TAKE THE AG OFFICE AND PUT SOME OF THESE TRAITORS IN PRISON WHERE THEY BELONG!!

  • Anonymous

    I have yet to see anyone agree on someone who could really match up with Hillary. OK guys…forget men and search for a conservative, educated, politically sharp, electable Black/or other minority female!!!! She’ll blow Clinton away.

  • Anonymous

    So am I–that doesn’t hurt unless you are not a truth seeker!
    Barack Hussein Obama SAID at a gathering of students AFTER he was elected but before he was sworn in that, ” The rumors that have been floating around about me not being born in the United States is TRUE! I was born in Kenya, not Hawaii, I’m not an American, etc., etc.! I SAW THE FILM MYSELF AND MY SISTER SAW HIM SAY IT AT THE TIME! So I’m a truther–you damn well better believe I am and if you love this country–you should be yourself! HE SAID HE WAS A FOREIGNER! His wife said his homeland was Kenya!! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?!?

  • Steve Eriksen

    Elections are factored by ‘Numbers Games’, so if the GOP wants a “Win-Win” scenario, then they should look at candidates that will obtain both the Hispanic and the African-American male/female votes,– Alan Keyes, keen minded in the political arena, would be an outstanding VP –
    Presidential support is still being scrutinized for the right candidate for Presidency -
    He/She will inherit a bagful of various marbles that need sorting and storing –

  • Anonymous

    The constitutional requirement for President is ‘natural born,” not “naturalized,” citizen. Neither is a natural born citizen because of their father’s citizenship at the time of their birth. If Cruz were natural born, he’d be my 1st choice by a mile. Unfortunately he’s not.

  • Sandra Sue Stitt

    Let’s get David Barton to run. I’d definately work on his campaign. It would be refreshing to have a true constitutionalist on the conservative ticket.

  • Anonymous

    Ted Cruz is not a natural born citizen because his father was not an American citizen when Ted was born. Obama was not constitutionally eligible to run either for the same reason. He would be my first choice by a landslide if he were eligible. Two wrongs don’t make a right. We are hypocritical if we don’t stand on the rule of law principle.

  • Anonymous

    I’m surprised by your casual dismissal of Sara Palin from the list of serious potential candidates. She and Ted Cruz are the most well grounded constitutional conservatives of all those named. She also handles the media as well or better than Christy. She should not be judged by her interviews during the 2008 campaign because she was completely harnessed by a bunch of scared McCain RINOs who refused to let her speak her mind with any conviction.

  • Anonymous

    If anyone has an entrée with David Barton, I wish you could get him to agree to having a dialogue on the constitutionality of Sate Nullification of unconstitutional federal laws and actions. He contends it’s unconstitutional but presents a very weak argument to support his position. I think we need a national dialogue on the subject that includes several supporters from both sides. I have requested such a forum twice and have never received a reply.

  • Mike Nelson

    I think that people don’t know what they are looking for at all… we’re still just running FROM what is happening now, and we’re not running TO the Constitution.

    Chris Christie, Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, John McCain, Mitt Romney, George Bush… all of these people were supposed to be the new edge of the Conservative movement, and all of them are failures in that regard.

    Maybe Cruz is different, I don’t know… but I don’t see a man as the answer. Our culture, our society, are broken, as compared to what worked for 150 years, and we’re still not yet back to the root issues of “mind your own business” in terms of what we expect of others, or in many cases, even able to abide that spirit ourselves.

    Look at this audience, in particular. Most here think of themselves as patriots, but mention drugs or prostitution, and they want government oversight. Gov’t is NOT the answer… and until we start killing the laws off and telling the govt’ to butt OUT of our homes and personal business, it won’t matter who runs, or wins, because you can’t fight the public spirit any more effectively from the Oval Office than you can from the turret of a tank.

    That is why 0bama and the propagandist media are so effective: they don’t mind lying, and have made it a platform of Democratic policy to lie WELL. They HAVE the public sentiment because things are still not bad enough that people want to be left alone… and it’s all the hubris of We, the People.

    The next president is NOT the answer. The best he can do is throw obstacles before Leviathan, and put sand in the gears.

    The Tree of Liberty must soon drink, because the Patriots still haven’t got a leader, and the Tyrants still don’t have any serious opposition from Us.

    What concerns me is, “what happens after the shooting starts?”

    We’re already in WW3 under president 0bama. Do you really think that the rest of the world will give a shit when we elect a new president? Do you really think that they will forget our sins? Do you think that our dollars in the oil market will go away (and if so, do you think that will be good, or bad for us as a country?)?

    This ends badly, unless we get our collective heads out of our asses and arrest this idea that gov’t is the answer.

    And I’m telling you, electing a guy you like IS relying on gov’t to solve the problem… but 1 man is still only 1 man.

  • Rob Kempton

    Cruz ,and Rand Paul

  • Rob Kempton

    RAND PAUL AND CRUZ

  • Jim

    Ted Cruz! Unless another Reagan appears.

  • Lucas Forde

    Losers are the only people that give up before the fat lady signs. Owe it’s to hard, we can’t change things, just watch our country be destroyed.We have to vote very progressive out of office. Go to Mexico if you given up on this country. You have to give 110 percent effort, and never back down. Last time I checked history is never made by defeatists.

  • landofaahs

    I’m voting for John Wayne. A dead John Wayne beats the heck out of anything live I see as a possible candidate.

  • landofaahs

    Since dead people seem to vote in every election maybe we should elect a dead person like John Wayne. It’s only fair.

  • Anonymous

    I need to hear more from Ben Carson. I like much of what he has said so far, not sure I like his healthcare idea. Need to hear more detail about that. He seems concervative and has common sense. A Washington outsider. Could bring enough black vote to beat the bitch.

  • Glennfriend67

    I am, too! My momLOVES Trey Gowdy. Say- I like the sound of a Gowdy/Cruz ticket. Shrillary wouldn’t stand a chance!

  • Scientific Theory

    If real conservatives won’t vote for Christie I wonder if hard line socialists will still vote for Hillary. Socialists understand the power of incrementalism…..Why won’t you?

  • Scientific Theory

    I’m not advocating Christie I’m simply pointing out a reality in view of the current american electorate. 51% of voters are not going to vote for Santorum, Rand Paul or Cruz. You don’t understand the power of pop culture combined with a society dependent on government subsidies and give away’s. The vast majority of recipients of government largess are not going to vote away the money they receive even if that money is stolen by a tyrannical majority. Hence……THEY ARE THE MAJORITY!!

  • Anonymous

    I also like Dr Carson, but we are in dangerous times, and we need someone who can lead our nation out of the mess we’ve gotten ourselves into. In my opinion that somebody needs to have a lot of experience in dealing with other nations, and here’s where it gets hard, need to be able to do so in a way that not only shows diplomacy, but shows that we’re not going to let the world push us around any longer. Allen West would be a good choice, and maybe Rand Paul or Trey Gowdy would be an excellent choice at VP. I think for now, though, thanks to the mess that Hillary and 0bie have gotten us into, we need someone with extensive military, or at least diplomatic expertise. No more John Kerrys or Susan Rices, either, please.

  • Anonymous

    I would too, but he’s probabl not willing to go through what they did to Herman Cain or Sarah Palin, if only for his family’s sake. I would vote for him in a New York minute though.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t see him as being on the fence necessarily, but he is keepig his cards close to his vest right now, because if he doesn’t, he’ll be crucified by the media. I think he shows a lot of promise, and I hope we don’t get stuck with some RINO again.

  • Anonymous

    I like Ted Cruz as well, but he’s not Constitutionally eligible, and believe me, this time the lefties will suddenly care about it.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you. I was wondering why nobody else was bringing that up. We have gotten dangerously close to just tossing our Constitution into the shredder, and not many seem to notice or care.

  • Anonymous

    Agreed, and he’s doing a great job right where he is. He is the part of the much needed antiseptic in the cesspool that is the United States Senate.

  • Anonymous

    Except that he’s not Constitutionally eligible, and the left will hammer him on that.

  • Anonymous

    Seems as though we’re living that now. I agree with you, especially the third paragaph. If we’re going to win our country back, we’re going to have to stop emulatiting the lawless lefties.

  • Anonymous

    Agreed, but the Saviour told us to ‘occupy until I come’. He did not mean for us to just give up, and I’m not trying to accuse you of suggesting that, just trying to remind everyone how much influence a Godly man or woman with a passion can have. We can’t afford to sit this one out. The stakes are too high.

  • Anonymous

    And by the wholesale sponsoring by our government of the slaughter of innocent unborn children.

  • Anonymous

    Easily. I would LOVE to see him debate her.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, he’s all of what you said, but right now we need someone with military leadership experience or at least a good record on foreign relations. Allen West would be better.

  • Anonymous

    Some people are just determined to stick their heads in the sand, and there’s not much you can do for them.

  • Anonymous

    What about Lt Colonel Allen West? He’s by far the best choice. A real man and a real conservative.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Sam Fisher

    Worked for him. That is the only reason I am having trouble of supporting Ted Cruz 100% is because of that very reason. He was born in Canada after all.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, that’s ‘Scott,’ he’s a dick! (and Canadian) {from one of my favorite “South Park” episodes}

    LOL

  • Anonymous

    The classifications of republicans is fake process and leads into big problems. Most of us can not agree on all matters or at least consider them most important. I don’t even try to understand people who even dare to say Palin or Gingrich. Palin could not hold up to stupid reporter and we thought she would be good vp? We could not get great guy like Romney elected because “there was Sandy and people united behind the president” and nobody cared about his trespasses in Libya.

    First step should be elections 2014. If we loose that one prospects for 2016 are very slim. Second, we need charismatic and fast on his feet, person. General public reacts well to those versus if he is conservative enough or too much. This is a center right country and best candidates would be center right.
    Democrats never close their elections headquarters. Never, not a single one. They all are turned into organizations from acorn to non-profits that are liberal hubs. When time comes they have everything ready within minutes–people, supplies, lists, well-lubed communications etc.
    When Romney lost, we closed everything. By the time they try to get people and train them, democrats are light years ahead.

  • Anonymous

    1st “black”, not really. 6%, the rest is Arabic and white. So Carson would truly be the 1st Black President.
    Hillary would be the 1st white trash in the WH.

  • Anonymous

    I am not excited about it either. Our Governor Rick Perry hasn’t surfaced yet. He is not running again here in Texas – maybe he is being groomed for the next go around. Prayerfully, if he runs again, someone has helped him get over his stage fright or whatever problem he had in last go around. I know I am sick of the ones that want to run in 2016.

  • Steve Armstrong

    Out of curiosity I went to your link and read the “article.” I say “article” because honestly that was nothing but a long, drawn-out rant, with not one honest reason that men shouldn’t have beards.
    I’m 35, have never had a beard and never will if I can help it. That read is 2 minutes I’d like back please. I’ve read more interesting, and entertaining, rants from my ex-wife about how horrible a person I am.
    Just to point out the obvious, but did you know veils don’t actually grow on Muslim women? Did you know facial hair does grow naturally on men, and even some women?
    Hate to say it, but assuming you are the actual author of that “article”, you are worse than any anti-gun leftist ever. At least the gun isn’t part of my personal being, that article sounds like “beards should outlawed” and if you want a Government ID “you can’t have one while we take your picture!”
    How about this, mind your own business and stop thinking anyone gives 2 craps about your opinion on ANYTHING. While you’re at it, get your upper lip and throat waxed…you’re looking a bit hairy ya hippie.

  • beckncall

    We stop pushing back they win. We can’t give up. We have to educate ourselves on the Constitution and the truth about Americas history. We must teach it to our children because the schools are not teaching the truth. http://www.wallbuilders.com

  • Barbi

    I loved the fairness to this discussion and would like to hear more from these analysts. Is this David Barton of “America’s Godly Heritage??”

  • Anonymous

    DixieAngel can you give me the scriptural address of “occupy until I come” please – I can’t remember ever reading that.
    I agree that a Godly man or woman can have a dramatic impact where ever they are and don’t advocate that believers not participate. I only sugget that we be realistic about our expectations and I base mine on what God’s word says and on what I can see happening in the world around me. Based on these criteria, I plead with people to “seek the Lord while He may be found, call upon Him while He is near.” Isaiah 55:6

  • Barbi

    You elect Carson and Huckabee and put someone with foreign policy strength on the cabinet — I’d want Romney in an economic position.

  • Barbi

    Imagine a coalition running together –of candidates –a slate of pres,veep, and cabinet heads. Instead of any of them attacking each other.

  • Anonymous

    Why the overt reluctance of the “Talking heads” to blatantly ignore 51% of the population when discussing presidential candidates? Many of America’s females have demonstrated a willingness to take on tough problems and the capability to solve them. America’s womenfolk, the mothers of our offspring, have that innate ability to see problems as they are, not as crises. Women are, most often born with qualities which work well in real people arenas, where the male of the spies invariably sees most problem situations as adversarial. Males are prone to “Go to the mat” on every issue; women will most often attempt to find a less confrontational solution. This does not imply that women can’t and won’t put up a tenacious defense/offense to gain or to hold ground. I should like to suggest that you talkers and conspirators might be well-advised to look at some of the ladies deserving of much greater consideration as political winners, rather tan simply ignore the fact that they constitute an asset capable of making workable, In-depth plans for any situation likely to arise in the international or national political venues. Sarah Palin an Michele Bachmann are political veterans possessing brains, commonsense, veracity and tenacity and absent guile and dishonesty possessed in abundance by EVERY male politician. Wake up and smell the perfume guys; women like Martha McSally are a precious rarity with whom few of you could compete in any form of engagement. Other ladies with proven credentials are Cynthia Lummis, Kristi Noem, Mary Fallin, Nikki Haley, Judge Jeanine Pirro. You gentlemen need to re-evaluate your potential CONSERVATIVE 2016 Presidential prospects. I am absolutely convinced that Michele Bachmann for President and Sarah Palin for Vice-President is an unbeatable combination for 2016!
    Dr. Thomas E. Davis, Colonel, USA (ret)
    326 F Nantucket Lane
    Monroe Twp, NJ 08831
    tomdavis@comcast.net

  • Lucas Forde

    Remember if Hilliary doesn’t get nomination Democrates probably get another female poltican foreign born because they love open borders.

  • Anonymous

    The offspring of a US citizen is a US citizen regardless of where he is actually born.. The left can hammer all they want, that argument isn’t going anywhere.

  • Anonymous

    You got that right and I am a white guy. :) I vote for him in a minute.

  • Michelle27

    There is NO comparison between Dr. Carson and Barack Obama. Dr. Carson is a force for good who deeply loves his country, and we have all seen that Obama is the antithesis of that. I would definitely trust Dr. Ben Carson as President.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    No one is saying they are not US Citizens, they are just not natural born Citizens as required by the U.S. Constitution in Article II, section 1:

    “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”

    There were no natural born Citizen’s at that time so they had to insert the exception for Citizens, but that expired once the founding generation passed on, so now only natural born Citizens are eligible.

    The only place we see the words “natural born Citizen” in the Constitution is for the Presidency, which means it’s the only office a non natural born Citizen is barred from holding. The citizenship requirement for Representatives and Senators is to be a Citizen. Clearly the two terms have different meanings.

    “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American Army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.” ~From John Jay’s letter to George Washington during the Constitutional Convention, July 25, 1787

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Hi dinkerduo,

    I believe Crassus is referring to 9/11 Truthers, but he does mock the “Birthers” also.

  • Anonymous

    If you care to do a search you will find that all the articles point out there is no definition of “natural born citizen” in the Constitution which means if pressed, it would be up to the courts to decide. Further reading will show that while one cannot predict with 100% certainty how SCOTUS would find, an overwhelming majority believe that as Cruz’s mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth, he was considered a natural born citizen. As you saw in the Obama citizenship discussion, all that has to happen is for Cruz to say he is eligible for the office…there is no election clerk that has to check documents. If someone disagrees they would have to bring suit in Federal court. While it is a matter of opinion, you will be hard pressed to find many who believe Cruz’s assertion of citizenship would not be upheld by SCOTUS.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    The Constitution isn’t a dictionary or does it define every word used within?

    The Framers believed us to be intelligent enough to be able discern the definitions for ourselves, and if not, we didn’t deserve the Liberty this Constitution was designed to protect.

    Emer Vattel’s Law of Nations Book I Ch. XIX:

    § 212: Natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens – it is necessary that they be born of a father who is a citizen. If a person is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

    The Framers looked to history and other influences around the world to design a Constitution like no other. Vattel was one of those sources that they drew heavily from.

    Here is Benjamin Franklin in 1775 thanking Charles Dumas for Vattel’s, Law of Nations:

    “… I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It
    came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state
    make it necessary frequently to consult the law of nations.”

    You can read a more comprehensive analysis of the natural born Citizen clause here:

    http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/2012/07/19/the-constitution-vattel-and-natural-born-citizen-what-our-framers-knew/

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  • fez

    Where is the dialogue on Dr Ben Carson? I believe him to be honest intelligent and moral. That is a refreshing change from what we have had to put up with. I really respected his speech in front of the president because it came from his heart. He says he doesn’t see color of people because as a doctor, he sees that the blood, bones and all are the same. He is a self made man who loves America. What a novelty!!!! I am so afraid of Hilary.

  • Anonymous

    Now that I’ve seen the list and reviewed Glenn’s “dream ticket,” I’d have to say that looks good. My major concern is that I’m not really a libertarian (mainly because I don’t totally understand libertarians’ positions on all issues). I disagree with libertarians on the subjects of abortion and legalization of marijuana. However, I have received some e-mails that make me think Rand Paul just might be pro-life. Legalizing marijuana will only add more suffering to what is already caused by abuse of alcohol. I am a staunch conservative Republican and vote as conservative as I can in every election. I would appreciate more discussion on this matter. Thank you for allowing me to express my opinion.

  • Mike Nelson

    Nor is it made by the ineffective, except as the defeated.

    By the way, if you’re not a fellow vet, you can thank your betters for your freedom, or at least, such of it as remains.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with you about Trey Gowdy, he is very sharp, I also like Ted Cruz.

  • Anonymous

    Doubt it, looks like he has white blood in him.

  • chuckles

    Ted Cruz! Nuff said. All the people that said he’s finished,……don’t know him. He will look like a Biblical prophet by the time 50 million more lose insurance. He’s 100% on the Constitution and he is smart on foreign affairs. He’s sort of a Libertarian with morals. Rand Paul won’t make it because he can’t shut up about not fighting wars, just like dear ole dad.

  • Dan Heizinger

    CRUZ you idiots

  • Elaine H

    What about Mike Lee?

  • On Guard!

    Since liberty is an abstract concept that can be difficult to understand, those with nefarious intentions tend to attack it by working to displace liberty with free government “services” and other spoils of plunder.

  • jen

    No doubt – Rand all the way. Newt would be great in the debates as well.

  • soybomb315

    Or we could get behind another long-time republican progressive like Rick Santorum

  • Lucas Forde

    Bad excuse, so progress vets Teddy Rosevelt, Harry Truman, LBJ, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, first Bush, and second Bush don’t stop expanding government but conseveratives surrender I don’t think so. You keep fighting when your service is done. Other wise you fought for nothing. Did liberals say this country to conseverative to take over? Answer no coward.

  • Bonnie Somer

    me too and Allen West he surely is a pull no punches person we need someone willing to say what we think he does that

  • Bonnie Somer

    romney ok what about steve forbes

  • Bonnie Somer

    trey gowdy i am gld to see i am not the only one who likes him.

  • Anonymous

    Because big money stands in the way. The two political parties and corporatism will use every trick in the book to keep a real independent from office. They are pro’s at funding fringe candidates to throw an election for a specific outcome. Point in case, McAuliffe in VA recently.

  • Anonymous

    Trey is UP! Not sure about Cruz. He talks the talk, but something in my gut….

  • Anonymous

    Huckabee? a rino? His idea is to create more programs; ie taxpayer money.

  • BozotheTrump

    Nice to see your tin foil hats are both tuned to the same frequency.

  • Klasko

    Remember that Chris Christie is from NJ. A conservative Republican could never get elected in Jersey.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, its because you clowns are fukkking nuts

  • Brad James

    Asking a liar like David Barton his opinion on anything is worth less then a sack o turd…Glenn beck isnt any better

  • Helmut Hagleitner

    you are dumb as a bag of barber hair! really please take your medication thank you

  • Anonymous

    Full of assumptions, bigoted notions and plain nonsense…positing opinion as fact.

  • Anonymous

    Hmmm, not even Chuck Norris, Sean Connery? Mmmm mmmm mmmm, you are so wrong honey. LOL

  • Marie

    Ah, you’re one of those brain dead voters Barb M was talking about.

    Go back to your pornography, loser. You aren’t intelligent enough to discuss politics.

  • Anonymous

    Amen. We need a strong, straight speaking (if only Christi were a conservative), unabashed conservative we can close ranks behind, and Huckabee, Christi, Gingrich, Rubio, Santorum, and several others who are more interested in compromise than saving the republic just won’t do.

    Right now, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Rand Paul, Trey Gowdy, Allan West, and Ben Carson are strong contenders. I could rally behind any of these staunch conservatives who are not afraid to say so.

  • Anonymous

    Unfortunately, I can see that you have fallen for the perpetual trick played by the media – they pick our candidates for us by convincing some of us that our best candidate(s) can’t possibly win.

    Of course Ted Cruz could be elected, and he could win big. Americans are desperate for a man of integrity with uncompromising conservative credentials. Look at what he did to Duhurst in Texas even with all of his money, political connections, and media support.

  • Anonymous

    Wasn’t McCain born in Panama? I don’t think Ted Cruz will have any problem qualifying to run for president, and while I have not made my mind up about who our candidate should be, Ted Cruz is extremely high on my list, and I am a staunch conservative (recently told the RNC that I would no longer donate a dime to it as all of my political donations go to candidates and organizations that support my Tea Party leanings).

  • Mike Nelson

    It’s tiring to have the breadth of experience I have in realizing the media li(n)es, and seeing people assume ignorance over careful consideration, but facts are not as simple as you appear to presume, and propaganda is nothing if not obfuscation.

    In the last presidential election I voted for Gary Johnson because he was the best candidate for liberty. Romney was NOT the best candidate for liberty, period – and if you want to challenge this assertion, I suggest that you start with Johnson’s gubernatorial record and the ridiculous abundance of common-sense vetoes he proffered in that capacity. He has a solid record of simply not allowing legislation that is contrary to the values of liberty espoused in the Constitution.

    If you voted for Romney, then imo, you may be part of the media-pundit problem that you cite, and your assumption of my position can be explained by your ignorance of exactly why someone is a “better” choice… and of why you settled for the candidate chosen by the media, as such you accuse me; after all, people often assume of others what they themselves are most guilty of.

    Prior to that election I voted “who” I thought would “fix” things, and I have never been pleased with that choice, but it was always the one that stunk least (McCain, Romney, Bush, Bush, Dole). In other words, I’m done voting in the way that you accuse, not resolved to continue.

    Choosing Cruz now may be the same as burning him up for no reason; if the country won’t elect him, then why would we waste a superstar for nothing? It’s not about getting a Republican elected; I have been frustrated with them since before Glenn made it big on the AM band.

    We have to deal with the fact that this country isn’t being destroyed BY 0bama and the demophiles, so much as it’s that the country was willing to vote for them at all… and because of that dearth of reason and the pursuit of blind zealots who shamelessly and ignorantly (and vapidly, if we’re honest) toe that li(n)e, we have, at present and for the short term, only bad outcomes available.

    I’m not saying I don’t think Cruz could be a good president any more than I would say that Milton Friedman is economically incompetent… but if no one listens to Friedman (as we did not), and if no one works with Cruz (as I think neither voters will in the election, nor I think will Congress, if he is elected), then his options are damn slim, because doing things by force is exactly what 0bama is doing, and taking this course would make everything about Cruz that I DO like more or less immaterial, because he would then no longer be the best candidate for liberty – and will be remembered as such by an unchanged liberal media and press.

    I don’t think that throwing good men after bad is an effective solution, and the choice of candidates will remain set by pundits and the capricious political agenda of power players for as long as we continue to allow the lawless behavior to go unchecked, unpunished, and therefore immaterial to the values of a sect of elites to whom only status and public adoration is of import.

    A MAN is not a SOLUTION, and any candidate offered by the system currently in active use will automatically be a man vetted as the system desires he be. They (hostile media) ruined Romney’s reputation, they (friendly media) didn’t investigate 0bama at all, and they (lapdog media) now obfuscate the crimes being perpetrated against We, the People. The common value in all of these betrayals is the media-government complex.

    We can’t even get a lawful, and desperately needed, impeachment hearing out of the Republicans (DAMN what the Senate “would” do – IMPEACH because it’s RIGHT, ffs!), and you want to think that the wealthy base of that party is going ot support a guy who wants to go in a completely different direction, that would necessarily remove power from the hands of the established aristocracy?

    I think that’s extremely naive.

    Allow me to say that I think McCain, Rove, Clinton, and Reid (all members of the same club, if not the same team) won’t see it that way, either… so I try to look ahead, past the next presidential erection – and that’s not a typo: presidents are built up, and torn down, and that is what both you and Lucas are engaging in, in this thread.

    You should be focused on more than just the man, because a system eats men for sustenance, and excretes only an entrapment of bureacracy of the sort that I assert has trapped you in judgement of anyone who does not proclaim themselves as you advocate.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Sam Fisher

    I hope so.

  • Anonymous

    You may be way over thinking things. I agree with most of what you said, except I reject your conclusion. The media said Reagan could not get elected and once he did they did everything they could to ruin him (Iran Contra, dumb cowboy, incompetent actor, etc.), but they failed because people could see through it and Reagan stayed true to his conservative principles. He took his case directly to the American people and everyone except the most strident ideologue could see that the media way lying. He is now acknowledged, even by many on the other side, as being one of the greatest presidents of all time.

    “W” got elected by running as a staunch conservative, and if he had really one (No Child Left Behind, Dept. of Homeland Security, Part D Medicare, “hands tied behind our backs” rules of engagement, etc.) he would be remembered much like Reagan. Unfortunately, you know he was more of an establishment conservative, so he not only had the media against him but he lost most of us conservatives.

    If you would like to discuss the virtues of Johnson versus Romney (who was the most conservative of the last 4 candidates standing and who is probably the most competent and prepared candidate since George Washington when one considers his scholastic accomplishments, moral character, business success, civic success, and political success), I would be happy to do so, but the bottom line is that a staunch conservative, who will hold to his values, CAN get elected and CAN overcome the media, and can get this country back on track to restoration, but not if the media convinces enough conservatives that none of this can happen.

    If enough people like you throw their votes away or don’t go to the polls, it will never happen, and the media will have won. Fortunately, unlike the Democrats we have a lot of good potential candidates, Ted Cruz being just one of them, but let’s not let the media select our candidate, and our president, for us this time.

  • Mike Nelson

    Just wanted to mention that I read your post.

    Only thing I have to add is that I didn’t say GJ was the most conservative candidate, but that he was the best candidate for liberty. I won’t challenge the conservative claim you make on Romney’s behest, but the decorations you add to his resume of Romneycare are still only decorations.

    Conservatives are better than Progressives/Liberals, but Libertarians who ARE libertarian are still the best candidates for Liberty.

    Everyone else just wants to make more rules.

  • DarnedFactsAreFunnyThings

    Carson – Martinez
    2016

    LOGIC STRENGTH HONOR