Indiana State Senator David Long explains the historical significance of an Article V Convention of States

Indiana State Senator David Long joined Glenn on radio this morning to talk about what he is doing in his own state to facilitate an Article V Convention of States. While there are certainly very real concerns related to opening up the Constitution for amending, Long makes a compelling case for returning the power to the states.

To begin, Long explained the historical significance of Article V.

“It was a key provision. George Mason had that put in as a delegate for Virginia for the state driven process. It’s never been used. But they figured we would use it,” Long said. “And in fact, if it hadn’t been in the Constitution there’s a very good argument the Constitution never would’ve been ratified in the first place. The founders felt that strongly that the state’s needed to have a leash on Washington. And they felt this was the key way to do it. If they woke up today and found out we never used it, they’d be shocked. They thought we would be using it regularly.”

The way Long sees it, a Convention of States is not only an important exercise of states’ rights, but it is also necessary “in order to fix this country.”

“First and foremost, arguing that Article V convention is doable and that, with proper controls and structure in place, it is not only Constitutional but necessary in order to fix this country’s future. And there are people out there trying to do this right. To make sure it is not a runaway convention,” Long said. “Frankly, when you look around today, you know if you want to call the ‘nuclear option,’ maybe that’s what it’s become today. I don’t think [the Founders] intended it to be that. I thought they figured we would be using this a lot and that it would keep the states in charge. Unfortunately, the opposite has occurred.”

Learn more about what Long is working on in Indiana HERE.

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  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Sam Fisher

    I am all for this because for too long we just sat their and let the Dems and the GOP steal our money from us as they took freedom away from us but no more if we flex our muscles and show them the people will demand of them not the other way around.

  • Lucas Forde

    Balance budget amendment so sanity returns to this country.

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  • Jim

    It sounds like he wants to be too timid. Term limits is number one in my mind! Get the entrenched a$$holes out of power!

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Despite what name they wish to call it, Article V Convention, Convention of the States, or a Constitutional Convention, it is the same thing.

    Does anyone know that Hawaii called for an Article V Convention in 2012 and passed a resolution to that effect in their House. Except they are proposing these amendments:

    (1) A declaration of the constitutionality of the federal Patient Protection
    and Affordable Care Act, including the individual mandate requiring the
    purchase of health insurance, aka ObamaCare;

    (2) An amendment to Article I, Section 5, to prohibit the supermajority
    cloture requirement under Rule 22 of the United States Senate for ending
    floor debates and filibusters, to facilitate a more reasonable voting
    standard for cloture;

    (3) An amendment abolishing the electoral college established under Article
    II, Section 1, and providing for the direct election of the United States President and Vice President by voters; and(4) An amendment to Article II, Section 2, Clause 2, to require that Senate confirmations of appointments of officers of the United States be made by a simple majority vote within sixty days of the nomination.

    http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/01/hawaii-state-legislature-calls-article-v-convention-wants-add-obamacare-constitution/

    If that isn’t enough to convince you what is waiting to happen if an Article V Convention is called, maybe the fact that George Soros is calling for one will:

    http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/17402-socialists-and-soros-fight-for-article-v-convention

    Conservatives cannot even control a Republican National Convention let alone a Constitutional Convention. Don’t fall for this scam!

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    The Balanced Budget Amendment is a Trojan Horse.

    1. It would Transform Our Constitution From One of Enumerated Spending Powers To One of General (“Unlimited”) Spending Powers.

    2. The BBA Transfers Control of the “Purse” from Congress to the President.

    3. The BBA grants judicial power over taxing & spending to the federal courts.

    http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/balanced-budget-amendment/

  • Lucas Forde

    Probably need other amendments before balance but need to get fiscal house in first like now. We need to do this now when we still have states with sanity. Why do people feel that evil people take over this process? Not all delegates coming from NY and California.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Hi Lucas,

    Congress is only authorized to spend money on their enumerated powers that ‘We’ granted to them under the Constitution. Clearly they are not abiding by that so what makes anyone think they will abide by a new amendment?

    State nullification of unconstitutional laws is the rightful remedy and duty of the States. A Convention is for if a fundamental flaw in the Constitution should arise. BTW, more and more States are starting to pass legislation to start nullifying some of these unconstitutional federal laws.

    So is the problem because the Constitution is broken or because it’s authority and enforcement has been ignored?

    ~BTG

    “Now, more than ever before, the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless, and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave, and pure, it is because the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national legislature…

    If the next centennial does not find us a great nation… it will be because those who represent the enterprise, the culture, and the morality of the nation do not aid in controlling the political forces.” ~James Garfield

  • Lucas Forde

    In a prefect world these amendments I would pass first term limits for congress and bureaucrats in administrative rolls 12 total 12 years , senate elected by state legislators, piece by piece vote on regulations by bureaucrats be approved 2/3 both houses or go aways. Takes longer than balanced budget, the one I want balance budget or cut everything by 5 percent monthly, until pass balanced passed, or the automatic cuts balance the budget.

  • Anonymous

    I’d like to hear what Judge Andrew Naplitano has to say on this issue..I’m ALL for getting ALL States maintaining what ‘they’ want to happen in their individual state..

  • fire lion

    will the military want to part with its billions of dollars or are you just lying about a balanced budget?

  • Lucas Forde

    Cut 5% from all! Remember liberals have to think about service members in states or districts. Just cut funding for the big brother state, I am sure the military doesn’t like picking political parties.

  • landofaahs

    So we get every article amended the way we like. DC don’t pay attention to the constitution anyway. What makes you think they will not obfuscate any new amendments?

  • landofaahs

    And I’ll bet a dollar to a donut that the politicians will say O.K. we will raise taxes until we get the budget balanced and by the way we are going to spend even more on welfare and food stamps etc. Anyone wanna bet?

  • http://suzeraining.wordpress.com/ suz

    as citizens, we’re obligated to do this.

  • Lucas Forde

    This is a state conustutional convention, no delgets from southern or western would raise taxes, get through your thick skulls not all these delgets come from the east and west coast. Also we control the maryority of state legislators and these state have fincial sanity.

  • landofaahs

    I guess I was not clear. If you pass a balanced budget amendment without dictating how, then the politicians in DC will just say O.K. we will balance the budget by increasing taxes and not cutting spending. It has nothing to do with who is in the convention process. This would happen after the amendment was passed. Is it clear now?

  • Lucas Forde

    Because of the fall up amendments of term limits 12 years and Senators being by state legislators. We can’t be governed by angles, have to have humans we can trust. Not everybody is a progressive, and people don’t want to be taking orders from China.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry but this is MOST dangerous! All the Soros groups are trying to change the constitution, there are more of them than us. They have teamed up with the fake tea party patriots on this… Tenth Amendment Center, JBS, and NHCCS.org are all against it and so is the tea party…. and rightly so. We are for nullification first. If they cannot abide by the constitution as it is NOW, what makes anyone think CHANGING it will make it better? You are treading on dangerous ground.

  • Anonymous

    Good luck when it reads like the Marxist UN UDHR. The tea party considers anyone going along with this as traitors.

  • Anonymous

    This is exactly why it’s so dangerous!

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Just read http://www.thenewamerican.com link, and feel impelled to comment on it. It is apropos to our present discussion.

    First, I am struck by the various patriot groups and commenters, there and here, bemoaning the “fact” that the left, progressives and George Soros would hijack the Convention and throw out the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. So, let’s not have a convention.

    That is a real concern, BUT….

    Look at the original convention, the delegates included men of various opinions, and discussions went back and forth for some time, until it was all hammered out.

    My point: To have a meaningful and productive discussion, there must be both sides represented, in order to point out the flaws and the good of an argument. In other words, yes, we must sit down with our enemies, and challenge them with the good, to show the bad that they may propose. This was the miracle and the wisdom of the original conventions. (In other words, study history — it might do some good.)

    Okay, so Soros et al are gearing up to rewrite the Constitution. DON’T LET THEM SCARE YOU OFF !!! Organize good men (and women) to present a unified front of truth and hold the line on Constitutional principles. If we wring our hands at “what they might do,” and do nothing in response, then they will have won.

    (Do I hear an echo of Boenhoffer?)

    The value of knowing of the lib’s plans, is that we know of their plans and their thinking. It is out in the open. That allows us to formulate a counter-argument to their points, and provide solutions that will do some good. THEN DEBATE IT PUBLICLY, FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE. That way, we might just get something good out of a Constitutional Convention, or whatever it might be called.

    Or else, wring your hands and let them have it.

    Remember Benghazi. Who said, “Stand down.”?

    Laus Deo

  • http://suzeraining.wordpress.com/ suz

    expound.

  • Anonymous

    Just who do you think will determine who the convention delegates will be?

    Did you do drugs, or were you just never taught how to reason effectively?

    Corrupt Barack Hussein Obama, Harry Reid and John Boehner are in power:

    When Article 5 was drafted, America was not infested by two corrupt parties.

    Americans have reason to be angry, But an Article 5 is this reality is Madness!

    At a White House barbecue last summer, Hillary whispered to President Obama, “I really can’t stand your mother-in-law.” Replied Barry, “Well, just eat the noodles!”
    An Article 5 Convention? Must America also jump from Barry’s stewpot into the fire?

    Is 2014 America brain-dead? Circumcisions done without mohels end-up that way..

  • Anonymous

    Does Political Correctness automatically make “Calling a Spade a Spade” ‘Racism’?

    Can Reasonable Individuals not ‘Talk Turkey’ without referring to Ottomans or Food?

    INCONVENIENT FACTS:

    All 50 states have 2 entrenched political parties conspiring with each other to write election law denying equal ballot access to anyone not a member of their 2 parties.

    Neither the federal government nor the governments of the several states OBEY the restrictions their citizens (through their respective constitutions) placed upon them.

    Politicians ONLY consider constitutional law as an avenue to increase their power.

    UNAVOIDABLE CONCLUSIONS:

    Any new Constitutional Convention must be restricted to political reform,
    Ban partisanship within official government activities;
    Provide nationwide Initiative, Referendum and Recall; and
    Empower apolitical enforcement teeth to remove renegade officials.

    Officials ignore today’s Constitution(s), What would make them obey tomorrow’s?

  • Jim Martindale

    The Con Con advocates are already showing their true colors, Tracy.They will not debate the Tom Woods’ or Publius Huldas’. They know they are undone and don’t want the People to know. David Long seems to have already captured the minds of Hoosier public servants. Governor Pence even signed the foolish thing. It’s a joke because it takes no recognition of what the Article V convention is really saying. The Constitution represents a covenant with We the People. The Federal government has broken the covenant. That means the States go free. BUT that means the States have to stop taking the money.

  • Jim Martindale

    Glenn, just listening to my State Senator Long talk to you about the ConCOn makes me ill. His choice of words simply wreaks of the dialectic process. THis is not the last ditch or ejector seat provided by the Constitution. The day that you have Tom Wood or Publius Hulda on the show you will hear the truth. Long is a shill for the Soro’s agenda to change the Constitutional Convention. If the Congress decides not to call the Convention it doesn’t happen. Levin won’t even respond to challenges to debate the Art V Convention with Wood. They are a bunch of cowards, afraid of confrontation. Come on Glenn. Get some fresh air and a spine. Talk with and read the Tom Wood and Hulda work. Nullification is the primary corrective process which has precedence. That’s the main reason that Art V Con Con was never called.

  • Jim Martindale

    Take a look at the biblical perspective of a covenant. You can look at the one between a man and a woman or the one between God and Abraham. When one of the covenant makers breaks the covenant the other party goes free. THis covenant relationship is what is being reasserted by several states esp. South Carolina. even Maine with regard to labelling GMO foods. Study covenant relationships please. We have a covenant with public servants who take oaths when assuming a public trust. When the oath is betrayed the People are betrayed and the oath breaker needs to be recalled like they did in CO to some gun owner haters. We need to see a lot more recalling going on. We need to repeal the 17th and get the Senators off the ballot in the generals. If the States want to control Fed spending this would go a long way to that end.

  • Jim Martindale
  • Darryn Campbell

    A balanced budget amendment that would come out of an article V convention of states has not even been drafted yet, so this post is irrelevant.

  • Bruno’s Beach

    When the confusion of liberty and power confuses liberty with wealth, more demands for “liberty” can be conjured up to attack true liberty.

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    How do you know it would be any different than the previous proposed Balanced Budget Amendments?

    Since the BBA have been supported by many republicans and organizations, there is a very probable chance this already drafted Amendment would be recycled.

    So for you to declare that my post is irrelevant is premature and naive.

    Whatever language a Balanced Budget Amendment may contain, it will still have the same consequence, it would push serious issues of national security and domestic policy into courts.

    The late Judge Robert Bork wrote of these things in his short review of a book a couple years ago that was advocating for the same things as now, i.e. these ideas keep getting recycled as something new.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/14/turning-to-constitution-in-times-of-stress/#ixzz2YnL8nvOH