Glenn reacts to Bill Nye and Ken Ham’s epic 3+ hour evolution debate

Last night, Bill Nye the Science Guy faced off against creationist Ken Ham in an epic three-hour debate about the origins of the earth. The debate, which was aired live from the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky, didn’t really break any ground. As TheBlaze reported, Nye defended evolutionary theory, while Ham doubled down on central Biblical tenets.

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Stu happened to tune into the debate while Nye was excoriating the story of Noah’s Ark. After all, if the earth really was to have been flooded for 40 days and 40 nights as the Bible says, how could the plant life survived?

“It’s such an idiotic debate. Like so what? Yes, that doesn’t make any sense, but none of it makes sense. This is why it’s faith,” Stu said. “It’s really difficult to understand, and these are concepts that are bigger than, ‘Plants couldn’t be under water for that long.’ It’s just stupid… Bill Nye has decided he doesn’t believe any of it.”

Rather than harping on ‘how old is the earth’ debate, Glenn got to the heart of the matter. Rather than just agreeing to disagree and respecting differing opinions, supporters of evolution – like Nye and Bill Mahr and others – resort to name calling and shouting matches as a means of gaining control.

“This is what I’m getting sick of. All the arguments are about control… Do we want to live in the same country with each other? No, we’ve got people saying, ‘You don’t belong here. You disagree with us – get out.’ Well, okay. There’s nothing I can do to talk to you, then,” Glenn said. “ If you believe that the earth is a different age than I believe, there’s no way we can even be friends? We can’t even talk because you’re such a moron. What are you talking about?‬”

‪If you happen to have three hours to spare, you can watch the entire Nye/Ham debate below:

  • Moment

    Glenn I listen to you all the time and agree with you most of it, but we will depart ways here.

    So now it’s wrong for someone to study the bible and to try to find our TRUE HISTORY?

    The bible gives us peoples ages and when they had sons and their ages and so on. Heck our time is based off of Jesus – Before and After Christ and today you are all up in arms because someone defends that?

    Jesus even tells us at what age they had Seth – 130 years but remember he had already had Cain and Able and Cain was old enough to kill Able.

    Now even if you want to say ” we don’t know how long Adam and Eve lived in the garden before the fall ” That could have been millions of years and when they fell and started to die the lord keep up with ages.

    To this I say the lord had already told them in Genesis 1 to be FRUITFUL and MULTIPLY.

    So the bible proves right there they were not in the garden for millions of years.

    All the plants dead because a year under water. Of course we can say if GOD flooded then he created plants again or we can talk about the 7 clean animals to live off of or what did they bring for the animals to eat? Herbs, plants, vegetables?

    Wouldn’t they have seeds? Even me being a dumb creationist I would have brought seeds but even if he didn’t he had it from the food they had collected for them and the animals.

    So Glenn I don’t care what you believe but to sit up on your high horse and basically call anyone who loves the lord and searched for the truth not worth your time or others is just plan wrong.

    Just keep crushing dream BECK.

  • Anonymous

    Creation, big bang, evolution, NONE of them have been proven scientifically correct, however, Leftist atheist bigots have deluded themselves into thinking that creation is the only theory that’s been disproven. I don’t even like having conversations about these kinds of things anymore. I can’t stand Leftist atheist bigots or the Leftist atheist bigoted horses they ride in on.

  • Anonymous

    Honestly, the entire debate was pointless. If you come across someone who’s going to be disrespectful to you and tell you things about the origin of the species that you know are patently untrue, why bother to address that topic with them? Exit the conversation knowing that you’re right, and pray that that person will eventually come around to the truth. Some things are simply out of our human hands and in the Holy Spirit’s.

  • Moment

    We will never come to the truth or understand each other if we never debate it. I don’t care who believes like me but I would like them to know why I believe this way so we can get along and so I’m not called stupid or dangerous to our country for my belief in creation.

    Sorry to say but you are wrong.

  • Anonymous

    Sure, I’m wrong, you’re right. Sleep well tonight. See how that works?

  • Moment

    I’m not trying to be mean to you, but anyone has a right to pick up the bible and study it and if the lord keeps bringing them to the same answer of 6000 years then I would say it’s nothing wrong with sharing that view.

    If it was then we would have never had the bible in the first place. What if Moses told the lord no he couldn’t share that because that wasn’t the view that everyone else had.

    I don’t hate anyone for an evolution view but believe they are very wrong and they are hurting our youth. Leading them down the wrong path.

    Now if the lord told you to seat on the sidelines then I say maybe you should ask him if you could lay down.

  • Anonymous

    Glenn Beck accusing Bill Nye of “shouting and name calling?” When did THAT happen? I believe that shouting and name calling is YOUR domain, Mr Beck.
    Hypocrite.

  • Anonymous

    Back to your folk tales. Talk about delusion. Wow.

  • Anonymous

    And these people claim to be highly educated…go figure this, Mr Nye the science guy – you claim the “Theory” of evolution, gives hard answers to the beginning of mans sojourn on this planet, something about some sort of globy-gooey-substance from under a rock, that miraculously turned itself into all the living creatures we see on the planet.

    These scientific-goofballs, would have everyone believe that those who have been educated by God are the ones who are way out in left field in their thinking.

    Let me see, God clearly tells us (mankind) that we were created “in his image” and “after his likeness”….hmmm…that means – we humans look like God, who has eyes to see, ears to hear, a mouth to speak, fingers, toes, legs…wow…so who has more intelligence, those who assume mankind crawled out from under some rock, or those who understand the truth.

  • landofaahs

    Mr. Nye should have been confronted with Darwin’s evolutionary chart of man and then asked where blacks fit in the chart. Darwinism is considered settled science by some and it was adopted to justify the racism of the day.

  • landofaahs

    Darwinism was created by white racists to justify deeming blacks as inferior if not downright non-human.

  • landofaahs

    Speaking of tails, when did your family lose theirs?

  • landofaahs

    Anyone who claims their family descended from apes may do so. Just don’t claim it for mine. Mine descended from Adam and Eve who were created by God. Of course you know your family better than I. By the way, some descended from Jackasses and still to this day use that symbol as their party identification.

  • landofaahs

    Nye’s holiday April first.

  • Anonymous

    Are you suggesting then, that the earth is only six thousand years old?..I’m being sincere…Z

  • Jeff Lambeau

    After our ancestors gained full capability of their hands and feet were able to walk upright. The use of tails became obsolete after that, and over centuries, the genomes of cells stopped producing protiens and DNA that created tails (similar to how a tadpole grows into a frog and loses its tail).

  • Guest

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • Anonymous

    How are you related to twoody? is it first tadpole, or second tadpole.

  • Jeff Lambeau

    ^somebody failed biology class in high-school hahahahah

  • Anonymous

    somebody still has their head under a rock.

  • landofaahs

    Correction. Your ancestors. Not mine.

  • landofaahs

    Toady not twoody.

  • Jeff Lambeau

    Right, your ancestors magically just floated here from space. By the way, do you have authorized papers to be on this planet? The Bible doesn’t count, the only thing the papers in there are useful for is rolling a good blunt.

  • Anonymous

    Hello, would you have a moment…???

  • Mike

    People will believe what they choose. This debate was useless unless… unless our nation has become so morally and intellectually weak that they can be convinced to change those beliefs because some mouth on the TV tells them to do so.

    Well… wait a minute. Obama got elected so… maybe that is the case.

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  • Warren Wilson

    How do anti-creationists explain organization in the face of entropy?
    Not one ever has.

  • Stephan Bruno

    Bill Nye wiped the floor with Ham.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Revan

    They cannot as someone who studies Astronomy it is impossible for them to prove without making up some weird stuff up.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Revan

    I really do not like these debate both sides end up sound stupid even tho both of them are very bright. Nothing will change the fact their is a God and he made us.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Revan

    Says the guy that cannot even spell him right.

  • Moment

    Yes .. an by the biblical account that would be about 115 generations and if 6000 years doesn’t seem old look into the future 6000 years

  • Anonymous

    Lol wow that is earth shattering news! Mind providing detailed absolute proof of this? I’ll be waiting, I have a feeling I will be with my creator before you can provide such proof.

  • Anonymous

    Kinda like all books ever written then right?

  • Tim Rowland

    Then where are the transitional fossils to reflect this change? There should be thousands of them right? WHOLE generations that had shorter and shorter tails until they were all gone? Or did they just fall off one day?

  • Tim Rowland

    Right, Glenn. There are thousands who would say the same about your faith, or your push for Faith, Love, and Charity. Many would tell you just to get along and move on from President Obama and his executive orders, but then you are passionate about these things, aren’t you?

    Please don’t reserve for yourself rights you would deny to others….

  • landofaahs

    Go croak then.

  • landofaahs

    No halfwit, God formed Adam out of the dust of the ground and breathed the spirit of life into him and my ancestors came from that line.
    Since when do we need papers to be on this planet? That is what the Nazi’s used to do, papers please.
    The Bible may not count to you but you making little edicts declaring it don’t make it so. It only proves your angry disposition toward Christians. I wear the badge proudly as Jesus did and told us to. Thank you for blessing me even though you meant it for ill.

  • landofaahs

    Buy them books and they eat or smoke the pages.

  • Anonymous

    Evolution does not deserve to be debated with Creation side by side. You can talk to people about your beliefs in creation, but the Lord said to share your faith with others, NOT cram it down their throat. THAT is what the Wonderful Counselor (Holy Spirit) is for.
    John 14:6 said: “Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except THROUGH ME.” We are instruments. We don’t have to debate side by side and argue with people. Creation is the truth…period. Evolution does not deserve your time, it is false. Both of these things are self evident. I don’t sit idly by and let the truth be forgotten. I share my faith, I plant my seed. That’s our only purpose. The Spirit grows the faith in another like he bestowed it upon us at baptism.
    Philippians 2:12-13 “Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.”

    The truth stands alone. Arguing with someone and telling them that they are wrong only strengthens their resolve and your testimony becomes counterproductive. No matter what YOU tell me, GOD told me to be a witness to the truth and it is HIS burden to soften the hearts of the unbeliever. If the unbeliever doesn’t listen to YOU when you tell the truth, God will hold it against them, NOT you.

  • Anonymous

    Says the Leftist, atheist, bigot. I equated creation with big bang and evolution as being vague concepts. I didn’t elevate my ideas arrogantly above yours. You say I’m wrong period. I say we are both human and fallible. I’m humble, you’re arrogant.

  • Moment

    When ever you don’t have have a opposing opinion is when someone is cramming their message down your throat — ie — education system and evolution —

    See in church anyone can get up and walk out at anytime but kids can’t do that against their teachers – your grade depends on it — That’s cramming down someone throat.

    also everyone is not sent out to give the gospel your way – they have their own given to them by the holy sprit

  • Anonymous

    And it’s wrong isn’t it, the way they handle evolution. I used God’s word up above to express my views. So actually, they aren’t my views, they are God’s views. If you think I’m full of crap, your beef isn’t with me, it’s with HIM.

  • Linda Z

    so he Nye the “Science” guy made fun of the word kinds…but then never explained how a ape becomes a human and there are still apes around and why a bird doesnt change before my eyes into a kangaroo. ??

  • Moment

    I’m saying you are fine but the lord gives others their ways as well. Do you believe Ham brought anyone to Jesus last night? If so then he did his Job

  • http://religionandpolitics.org/ religion&politics

    Nah, not Darwinism. What you’re referencing is called “Eugenics,” and it was all the rage during the first half of the 20th Century, all the libbys were on board with it, much like they are with Global Cooling/Global Warming/Climate Change right now.

  • Sargonarhes

    The real problem with the evolution idea is the forming of DNA. There is a compound in DNA called RNA, RNA is needed to make proteins. However RNA is made up of proteins. It’s a which came first the chicken or the egg problem, and scientists can’t answer it yet. Every time they think they’ve solved a feature of nature they just open the box to a few hundred more questions. To think that man has everything all figured out is just plain arrogance. Which describes Bill Nye perfectly.

  • Michael Grace

    Linda, evolution is an extremely slow process that takes millions of years; nothing changes before your eyes. As for apes, like humans, they come from many branches. There’s not one single, unbroken line of ANY species.

    If you don’t believe it, you’re free to research it yourself, but I doubt you will because no one here seems to trust science.

  • FakingShock

    I’m not quite sure why they are arguing over the age of the earth. The bible says: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

    3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

    As you can see, God created the the heavens and the earth and it was without form. For how long? Because the first day does not happen (as far as time or years) until after God created light and separated it. No one has any idea what the time frame is between when he created the heavens and when he began time by making light. It could have been millions of years in our eyes.

  • Michael Grace

    …which shows the faulty logic of Young Earth creationism.

  • Moment

    GOD said he worked six days and rested on the sabbath and told us to do the same- 6 days of creation

  • Burleigh Mauve

    I don’t think Nye, Maher, et al, would care what creationists think if the creationists weren’t trying to force creationism into school curriculum. That’s why Nye wanted the debate, to show people who are on the fence why creationism has no right to be called science. If you want to believe the biblical account of creation, go for it, but that’s a matter of faith – don’t call it science. That’s Nye’s message.

    Also, you’re so disingenuous, Mr. Beck. You want to be perceived as the peaceful diplomat, “can’t we all just get along?” but you paint the Nye/Maher crowd as the ones instigating this conflict, like they’re jerk-off bullies, like they’re picking on poor creationists for no reason at all, when all they’re doing is fighting for children to get a quality education based on real science. For crying out loud, Nye did the debate on Ham’s home turf in front of a stacked crowd!!

  • Chris Blood

    Then there should be thousands (at least) of fossils and bones of apemen being dug up then if it was a slow process. Where are they? Now wait for oh it’s really a fast process so there weren’t many ape men to dig up story

  • FakingShock

    Personally, I have seen scientists create “prehistoric” bones out of regular chicken bones out at LLL, in CA, so even if the science of carbon or other dating is accurate, it can easily be fooled.
    I also don’t mind if people want to believe some random, organized scientific phenomenon created life. If it comforts them to think they were once slime and just accidentally became a person, so what?

  • Anonymous

    The anger is an offshoot of socialism and collectivism. Get the government out of our children’s education and this issue could be resolved. Creationists can send their children to creationist schools and darwinists can co to darwinist schools — and we will see whose children do better in life afterwards and make our decisions accordingly. I don’t want to teach anyone’s kids science against their will. If parents want to fill their kids minds with whatever, it’s not my business. It’s their choice and if they are wrong their burden, and the burden of their children who will have to pay the psychiatric bills and night schooling to untangle their upbringing.

  • Michael Grace

    There ARE thousands of fossils of human ancestors that have been retrieved. Did someone tell you differently?

  • Heather Elder

    Tim Rowland, I think the point here is that Glenn Beck doesn’t care if you believe in evolution or God. He doesn’t care if you are paving a path to hell with your beliefs. They are yours and yours alone. You are the only person affected by your decision in this case. “President Obama and his executive orders” are screwing all of us. So while you and every other yuppy out there may love that horse’s ass, many of us don’t want you and YOUR president to take our rights away.

  • Anonymous

    what did he spell wrong?

  • FakingShock

    But he did not create time until “the first day” which was long after he created the heavens and the earth. If you read it, you will see his words say the first day is when he created light and separated into day and night.

  • Moment

    Read verse 5 — 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

  • FakingShock

    Yes, but in the beginning he created the heavens and the earth, not on the “first day”. I believe God’s words, not someone elses interpretation of them.

  • Joe Lineman

    very good, and as a second thought….why are there still apes?

  • Myles D Garvey

    Science, too, is based on the belief that observation is reliable. You must first embrace the core axioms of science that its method of observation is reliable (which in a lot of cases it is not). As an applied mathematician and a former student of pure mathematics, I can vouch that math it self is based on some pretty rocky foundations that can easily be broken. To break the foundations of mathematics you break the foundations of all of scientific theory itself. So not only must you have full belief on the core axiom that observation leads to truth, you must in addition adopt the core axioms of mathematics. Both creationism and science are related in this regard in that both are founded and rest on axioms, (i.e. belief). The method of study differs of course. One could argue that all of religion is based around observation of its founding fathers and same to those of science. And there is little doubt that both philisophical areas have been corrupted by politicians and goverment alike. I feel that there is much middle ground, but have found, being in this community for so long, that the science community clings more to their faith in these founding axioms than those of the religious beliefs. Quite ironic given their mainstream messaging.

  • James Brooks

    Creationists insist that scientist think they’re so smart.. that they know it all. When NOTHING could be further from the truth. The entire point of science is to constantly seek more facts and newer theories to explain things. Science is constantly changing and adapting to new discoveries. Religion on the other hand has to resist change and force the world to adapt to it’s understanding… to resist any re-interpretation of the “truth”. It’s not the scientists who think they already know everything… it’s the Creationists.

    Case in point:

    When asked in the debate what could possibly change their positions on these matters Nye said, “evidence” and Ham said, “nothing”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

  • Jesmlet

    If you want to talk about entropy or the laws of thermodynamics then fine, but questions like yours are the reason why evolutionists think creationists are such a joke. No one ever claimed we were descended from apes. It’s called divergent evolution- we share a common ancestor.

  • Michael Grace

    6000 years doesn’t leave much room for the Sumerians and the dinosaurs.

  • Moment

    That was all day one

  • Apologist

    Here’s my take on it: http://apologia.newsvine.com . I think they were both somewhat off base and both had some good points. Neither was the best representative of either the Naturalist or Christian perspective. Bottom line: I believe that Science and Faith can coexist and mutually support each other when properly understood.

  • Moment

    Plenty of time .. we still have dinosaurs .. crocks and such

  • landofaahs

    Exactly. They can’t really say that some things just don’t progress.

  • captainbaby3

    Exactly Warren! Someone from the audience asked Bill Nye just that question and he completely fumbled it! Saying some stupid meaningless thing about outside energy coming into the earth. They didn’t even get into the very important subject of DNA containing information, which NEVER arises from non-intelligence.

  • Burleigh Mauve

    Are you joking?? Observation is much more reliable than relying on the shoddy translations of 2,000 year old text. There is no middle ground: Science is one thing, religion is another. Religion used to be the way to explain what we observed until science supplanted it.

  • Darren Wilkens

    If creationism doesn’t belong in the school curriculum, then neither does evolution. Why teach one and not the other? Why not let kids hear both sides and let them decide for themselves which one they want to believe instead of brainwashing them?

    That’s the problem with our school system, they only want our kids to learn what THEY believe to be correct.

  • captainbaby3

    You must have been asleep during the debate. All Bill Nye could say was “I’m disturbed” over and over and over again.

  • Ashton

    Nye obviously won, hence why Ham spent the entire debate attempting to redefine half the words in the English language.

  • Blake Knight

    The line of apes which humans descended from are know as homo-sapiens. There are many different species of apes and monkeys that evolved into various other species (Chimps, Orangutan, Gibbons etc). Humans evolved from one very specific line.

    Evolution doesn’t work the way you have been led to believe. You don’t simply grow an extra arm because it would be pretty useful. Animals adapt to their situation and environment slowly over many millions of years.

    For me evolution is proof there is a plan and a creator shaping our universe. Just not the Judeo Christian, Muslim god invented to ascertain control over the world.

  • Anonymous

    Why is Beck accusing Nye and Ham of being uncivil? They seemed perfectly nice and respectful to me. I applaud Bill Nye for intelligently publicizing the dangers of religious indoctrination. God or no God, objective reasoning is our highest calling and it’s why we have so many incredible technologies and insight into nature. The utter nonsense that Ham spreads is dangerous. If our children aren’t focused on scientific understanding and discovery, our country is screwed because our competition is focused and they will beat us economically.

  • Ashton

    Clever response. Homo Sapiens aren’t descended from modern apes, we have a common ancestor that we’re both descended from. So we aren’t really the descendants of apes like you choose to believe. Please allow yourself to look at the evidence & don’t indoctrinate your children to ignore facts, please.

  • Margaret Brantley

    another way plants spread and grow??? animal feces.

  • Ashton

    Modern apes and Human descended from a common anscestor, something like an Australopithecus. We are NOT descended from gorillas or baboons. Please don’t attempt to deny the Theory of Evolution if you don’t really know what it is.

  • captainbaby3

    Quality education that excludes a theory of how we got here? Remember, evolution is just a theory, and a really poor one at that. The evolutionary morons are the ones who have given us the Pilt down man hoax, the Nebraska man hoax, the Pepper moth hoax, Lucy with the broken hips hoax and on an on and on. It’s NOT science, it’s JUNK science.

  • Ashton

    Ken HAM. There are no spelling errors, take your attempted negativity elsewhere.

  • Blake Knight

    Here’s a video all Christians should be watching… The truth behind the founding of your religion!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJSfdN68AsI

  • Adam Tanner

    You’re an idiot. Ham is Ken’s last name. You sir, know nothing.

  • captainbaby3

    I Peter 3:15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,

  • Osweetp2

    As far as I know it’s still legal to Home school here in the USA so maybe more kids should get up and walk out of school. My kids learned creation science in our home school and though they know about evolution they see it as man’s wisdom not God’s truth.

  • captainbaby3

    Why, Jeff? I bet you believe in Pilt Down man. . lol.

  • Ashton

    What everyone on this site NEEDS to understand, is that although there is no definite source for the creation of matter yet, that is NO reason to assume an intelligent omnipotent being in the sky created it. Instead we need to focus our attention of researching the origin of the universe scientifically, using hypotheses and logic. Jumping to conclusions like that is the destruction of science, which will in turn destroy our country.

    Also to answer the obvious response that I’m sure will be tagged to this comment: If you deny the Big Bang because we can’t create something out of nothing, what created God? Has be always been? If so, then why can matter not also have always been?

    PS. There are currently apes on the planet because they evolved concurrently with humans from what research & the Theory of Evolution shows us. We’re all descended from a common ancestor, 3million years ago it was the Australopithecus., We are not descended from baboons or gorillas.

    PPS. The Theory of Evoluton is a TRUTH. The word “theory” here does not mean it is not confirmed, it is.

  • Ashton

    “It doesn’t make any sense, that’s why it’s called faith.”

    Perfectly sums it up.

  • Burleigh Mauve

    If you watched the debate, you would know why creationism doesn’t belong in the classroom – IT’S NOT SCIENCE. And whose “THEY?” the 97% of scientists who agree evolution is true? Yeah, what do they know?

    But, okay, let them teach creationism in the classroom. But which version? The Christian version? Why not the Muslim version? The Hindu version? Or the umpteen hundred other versions of creation that are out there? Don’t we owe it to our children? Shouldn’t they hear every crackpot version that has been already dismissed by society as not being true? Why not teach kids about spontaneous generation? I mean, we’ve brainwashed generations into thinking that isn’t true! How about how the earth is the center of the universe? That belief has been around A LOT LONGER than this current view we have of the universe! Don’t let the brainwashers win!!!!

  • Moment

    Amen — i wish all christian would remove their kids from school

  • Ashton

    One of the things I caught Ham saying frequently was “you weren’t there, so you don’t know.” Well Mr. Ham please enlighten us what it was like 6000 years ago when you witnessed the birth of the universe.

  • Nicholas Barras

    Creationism is is right and evolutionary theory is right. I will not argue that God has the power to make existence in seven days. I will however counter that evolution is a real process that happens at the viral level on an annual basis. I will also argue that many years ago a number of people developed the Delta 32 mutation. This mutation essentially shields a person from the effects of bubonic plague and now HIV. Some see it as evolution others as a blessing from God, I see it as a vastly intelligent creator who loves his people and coded for us to have a way out when shit hits the fan. The Bible tells stories relatable to the masses, if it jotted down the physics of nuclear fusion that occurs when mass amounts of hydrogen get together and start to fuse I think the early Hebrews might of have looked at them funny. To attempt to reason an immortal all powerful being down to a few pages and f simplicity is insulting and down right ignorant.

  • captainbaby3

    Where did all those common ancestors come from? Where did DNA come from? You know it’s a code, a language that encodes for proteins. The first rule of information is that it NEVER arises from a non-intelligent source, so where is that intelligent source? BTW, what is the probability that the 121 amino acid chain that makes up the smallest protein in life could have just randomly collided together? I’ll give you a hint: zero probability. It’s about as likely as labeling an atom, throwing it out into the UNIVERSE and then running around in a spaceship and finding that atom.

  • Anonymous

    Making even a solid case that the Earth is old–even really, really, old–is not the same thing as making a case for evolution having ever happened. Just sayin’.

  • Burleigh Mauve

    So the 97% of scientists who believe evolution is true are wrong? Why is it junk science?

  • Anonymous

    Glenn Beck seems to think that the subject of how old the earth is, isn’t all that important, but what if there is definitive proof and that proof, is found in the very bible he claims he has faith in.

    I tend to think that the mater should be solved, in that way, those who do not believe in God and who say that the earth is millions of years old, might finally understand what God reveals on the matter.

    I’m certain you would agree that God is perfect, and everything God creates is also perfect.

    In Genesis 1:1-2, it reads, (RSV) “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth was without form and void, and darknes was upon the face of the deep…”

    In the original Hebrew, “without form and void” is -tohu and bohu – meaning, waste, desolate, deteriorated – the word “was” is also translated “became”

    If God, is a perfect creator, how then did the earth “become” waste and desolate and deteriorated and full of darkness?

    Those very descriptive words, indicate, that the earth wasn’t created that way at all, in fact, if God creates perfectly and he is a brilliant fiery light, why does the bible record what we see in the first few verses of its pages?

    In the book of Job, we gain more understanding of what took place so long ago. In the 38th chapter, verses 1-7 it shows the angels shouted for joy when the earth was created. It also says back in Genesis 1and 2, that the earth and the whole universe, were created at the same time. No wonder the angels shouted for joy, the sight must have been breathtaking to say the least. There are nights I peer into the dark sky and the brilliant clusters of stars simply amaze me, I couldn’t imagine what the angels must have experienced, it must have been truly an awesome sight to see.

    My point is this, in order for the angels to witness first-hand, the creation of the endless universe, they must have been created beforehand.

    Now that we have the order of creation in the correct sequence – it will make perfect sense why tohu and bohu entered the scriptural text.

    As you are probably aware, God placed one-third of the angels on the earth. He placed the archangel Lucifer, meaning (light of the morning star) in charge over all the earth bound angels. These angels had been instructed by God in how to live righteously perfect lives. In fact, by placing these angels on earth, God was testing them to see if they would obey his every word. This period of time probably lasted millions of years, the bible doesn’t say for sure, but it does explain the Dinosaurs, Neanderthals, etc.

    Most biblical students are well aware that Lucifer lead a rebellion against God, thus becoming Satan, meaning, (adversary of God) he is the author of lies and of darkness. Satan also hates God and tries to destroy everything God has ever created, including the earth and the universe for that matter. That answers the question of how the earth “became” – waste – desolate – deteriorated, it also sheds some light, that God in fact, did not create the earth, nor the universe, in a state of decay. That goes against everything Gods says about his perfect creative abilities.

    Now lets go to Psalms 104:30 and see if it sheds any light on what truly did take place back in Genesis 1:1-2

    “Thou sendeth forth thy Spirit, they are created; and thou renewest the face of the earth” …back in Genesis when the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, he was renewing what had become waste and void and full of darkness, and the first thing he did was turn darkness into light. So in six-days, God was renewing the face of the earth. This renewing was not the original creation, but instead, was a renewing process, because of a destructive war brought on by Satan and his Demons. Not only did these fallen angels destroy the face of the earth, if you take a look at most of the photos NASA has collected over the years, by our moon alone, one can see that even the universe still exists in a state of decay.

    As far as mans sojourn on planet earth, it has been just under six-thousand-years, and if one believes God, Satan the devil along with his demons, have been here all along.

    The first man and woman, were deceived by the devil, and all men have been deceived ever since, there are though, a few who have discovered truth and are no longer deceived, but those are few indeed.

    Does any of what I have presented here, make any sense to you, as you said earlier, by discussing the issues, is how we learn to come together in our understanding. I hope it has shed some new light…Z

  • Darren Wilkens

    Evolution is a theory created by man. Same goes with all “scientific” instruments to back up their claim. Because those instruments are made by man, their theories are flawed. There’s no physical proof that the big bang theory or evolution actually occurred. Those two theories were concocted because someone didn’t want to believe that there’s a greater being out there that could have created us. Whereas, there has been countless numbers of artifacts to back up the Bible.

  • landofaahs

    Bill Nye the dumbass guy.

  • Kristy Bittle

    What I wanna know is this. If energy and matter came together to create a single cell then why has it never happened again? If I take a bag of chips I have matter. When I open the chips I have energy. Why have I never found a new life form/cell/etc. in my bag of chips? Or peanut butter, salsa, ketchup, etc. If the world was truly so many billions of yrs. old wouldn’t it of happened at least 1 other time?

  • Ashton

    Our common ancestors evolved from even further back ancestors, eventually lung fish, and before that single celled organisms. From where they came from, we don’t know. What we do know is that The Bible makes no mention of single celled organisms, DNA, anything particularly advanced. The fact that we don’t know the origin is no reason to jump to conclusions & assume an all powerful being exists in the sky, what evidence is there of that? The prophets that say he exists? Why believe the prophets who tell you to “believe” when you can look to scientists who will PROVE their opinions. We MUST continue supporting the scientific method if we ever want to know our furthest origin, instead of making wild assumptions based off hearsay.

  • Anonymous

    It is possible to believe in evolution and creationism at the same time. Don’t know what all the debate is about. Simply, put God is the creator of all things from the first element, atom, cell creature,etc. A day in the Bible doesn’t mean 24 hours so who knows how long it took for evolution ; God had His hand in it all, just as He has control today. We are still evolving. Who cares if humans evolved from apes. God made us special with a soul and a conscience which differentiates us from other creatures. He created us with intelligence in His likeness and charged us to know, love and serve Him while we inhabit the earth. One day we will all have the answers. Let’s celebrate our knowledge and keep our faith in our loving Father.

  • Marc Huizing

    So, let me get this straight. An article saying, let’s agree to dissagree, reduces to the same bickering on the threads? I give up on this. As the Answers in Genesis site said before the debate, this was a debate on world views. Until we get this right, we’ll get nowhere

  • landofaahs

    Don’t bring homo’s into this. Well what does Darwin’s theory say we came from if not apes. I want an answer and no monkeying around.

  • landofaahs

    The dumbashton thinks we were all cooked up in a primordial soup.

  • Equis

    Think about it evolution is a theory not fact, the scientific world never proved it. That’s why they always talk about the missing link which they can’t find to make the connection.

  • landofaahs

    We were all created by the same God, so in that respect I could agree that we all are created by the same source but each was created separately and each produced after their own kind. Just because apes etc. breathe like humans only says that God created us to live in the environment he put us in.

  • Joe Roy

    FYI plants do come back after being submerged for long periods of time. Seeds also survive amazing trauma..

  • landofaahs

    Better yet, let all money follow the student and give the choice to the parents and you would see it dry up on the left.

  • landofaahs

    It is a theory and belief just like evolution is. Evolution was invented by people who did not want to believe in creationism.

  • Moment

    What was the light on the first day? I say it was Jesus. He will be our light in the new heavens and earth. So I would say also on this day Angels were created because he separated the light from the darkness – Good from Evil

  • landofaahs

    They agree because he said what they want to hear. Liberals are mentally ill, so we have to be gentle with them.

  • Josh

    Evolution can be disproved. Darwin himself, just based on the complexity of the eye, didn’t believe his own theory.

    The Cambrian period is also a great example of evolution not happening. You can’t explain the explosion of multicellular life in such a short period of time.

    So if the goal is to disprove one, you then can’t teach either.

  • Jesmlet

    I was raised Roman Catholic and have taken theology courses in college and am still Roman Catholic, however I also have the ability to think for myself, and for that reason I have come to reject the idea of biblical literalism. While we both believe God was involved, we have differing opinions on the degree and the manner and we are simply going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

    Furthermore, if you are going to provide a substantial counterargument to anything, at the very least you should understand the basics of the other side’s argument. The fact that you think the idea of common ancestry is based only on us breathing the same is absolutely ridiculous.

  • landofaahs

    The good part of debate is that they are without excuse having been told numerous times, they cannot say they never heard. They hang themselves.

  • Anonymous

    If the angels were created perfect spiritual beings, there was no darkness to separate… if one were to use your timeline..remember it was the sin of the angels that caused the darkness.

  • Anonymous

    I would like to note here that an increase in the frequency of any particular feature in a population is not evolution. The emergence of a mutation in the gene pool of a particular population that then spreads throughout even a large part or the entire population of that gene pool is not evolution, either. Evolution would be when some subset (or maybe the whole population) of a species becomes so changed that it is now not genetically similar enough to its original state to be considered the same species any longer. Under these circumstances, the actual definition of the word “species” becomes rather important, though a rule of thumb is that members of different species cannot procreate. Note, it would not be evolution if this change was directed by man (or, I suppose, any other higher intelligence). This all undercuts your assertion that evolutionary theory is as “right” as Creationism.

    I know that a lot of folks like to equate instances of an increased frequency of some novel mutation within a population here or there with full-on evolution because it is supposedly the cumulative effect of many such mutations that would eventually alter a creature to the point that it would have evolved into a new species. But the one thing is not the other. In point of fact, even finding an example of some massive set of serendipitous mutations building up in some lucky gene pool to the point that the resulting offspring were technically another species would not prove that it had happened before and/or in a multitude of other cases.

    However, I certainly agree with the rest of your post, that such a mutation as you describe would be a blessing from the Creator and part of His larger plan for humanity.

  • Moment

    Do you accept Jesus as your lord and savior? Do you confess your sins to him?

  • landofaahs

    It’s amazing that the truth does not have to force itself on anyone but the liars and the lies must. Their own tactics reveals what they are.

  • Guest

    “Evolution is a theory created by man.” Just like God.

  • Tabari

    To those of you attempting to sway Christians and Creationists with logic and reason, understand this – you CANNOT win. These people park reason at the door in order to “have faith” in god while simultaneously expecting to rely on it for every other facet of their lives. If logic and reason are the only effective means of determining reality then one cannot suspend them to believe in a god and to do so takes a special level of insanity that cannot be fixed with a logical argument or mountains of facts and evidence. Quit banging your head into the wall, sheep are meant to be sheep.

    If you feel you are set apart from or above the mindless masses of humanity, then maybe you are one of us. Come find out: http://www.vampiretemple.com

  • Moment

    Amen but the lord tells us that in Romans 1-18-20 — he says no man is without excuse

  • landofaahs

    And the students share of the money should go to the homeschooled also.

  • landofaahs

    They have to use force and can’t stand scrutiny or challenge because they are insecure.

  • Moment

    Jesus knew Satan was going to fall before he did. Jesus was / is the one who separates Good from Evil — I’m sure the angels were created on day one

  • Anonymous

    It really looks like, for you, evolution is a thing you have a lot of faith in. However, for you to claim that it is a truth that others should take as reality without any blind faith such as yours, you really need to prove (beyond any shadow of reasonable doubt) that it is a real thing.

    I’ll wait . . .

  • landofaahs

    A thousand years is as a day to the Lord. God is eternal so time has no hold on him.

  • Jesmlet

    The only one with the right to question my faith is God, and He has no need to because he knows the answers to your questions, however for your benefit, the answer is yes and yes. My belief in scientific evidence has no bearing on my belief in God. I have reconciled the two and I suggest you do the same.

  • Darren Wilkens

    I like how you singled out that one phrase and didn’t have anything to say about, “there has been countless numbers of artifacts to back up the Bible”. It just goes to show how people don’t want to recognize that there could be a greater being out there.

  • Moment

    Then he said my word is true and the bible is god breathed

  • landofaahs

    I believe in the Biblical account. It is enough for me that it says it. I know that God is and I know it is the God of the Bible and I can’t transfer that knowledge to anyone else. In know him and he knows me.

  • Candy Kriegel

    Although I haven’t seen the debate myself, from what I have heard, it seems to me my father or someone from a university could have done a better job at tackling the science behind Intelligent Design.
    Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t this supposed to be a debate on creation and science, not Scriptural theology? Even so, did Ham even once mention that the Bible contains divine knowledge that the galaxy is expanding, with stars and planets stretching further and further apart from each other?
    I doubt it. Not many people seem to know that. In any event, if a person does not hold any value to the Bible, you cannot have a debate that will get anywhere. If your only source for information on Creation is the Bible, you’re missing out and not going to get hardly anywhere, let alone in a debate.

    A method which I’ve seen my Dad use to encourage critical thinking in non-Christians who are possibly seeking the Lord is to lead them, through logic, in the knowledge that is so precious to them, to a conclusion that leaves them questioning everything they thought they knew.
    That is the point which some come to know the Lord–when they are alarmingly aware that what they believed to be true is false. That will often lead a person to either 1) willingly continue to believe it despite knowing it isn’t true, but they’ll no longer be ignorant, or 2) go in search of answers and, Lord-willing, not stop until they find the Lord.

    I have a friend i met 6 years ago in college whom belongs in the latter group. When I met him, he had no faith and did not know the Lord. I and other friends of his often prayed for him, even though we didn’t know each other. I knew every time we spoke alone together that he was searching out the Lord and how happy I was when I learned he had found God! It’s been almost 2 years and he is truly living for the Lord and so different from the broken man he was!

  • Moment

    When he says that it’s for his coming. So I believe he was telling you it would be a couple of thousands of years before he come back

  • landofaahs

    The flood does though.

  • landofaahs

    And you just name called Glenn. I guess there is hypocrisy in each of us since we are all fallen human beings.

  • landofaahs

    We don’t even know the smallest parts of the DNA. We are always finding out how little we know.

  • landofaahs

    Or up their lower orifice.

  • Anonymous

    It’s interesting, though, how Nye already has a belief in evolution that could be shaken by some form of evidence. What I am interested in, then, is what evidence proves he should have any faith in the idea in the first place. Even if Nye has eviscerated Ham on the age of the Earth, it would not have provided anyone with a reason to believe a faith in evolution was warranted. In fact, the age of the Earth is important to Ham, but not to proving evolution works or happened. Nye needed to prove evolution works and happened, not prove how old the Earth might be. I say it is really, really old, maybe as old as Nye likes to think. Still never had anything evolve on it, though.

    Also, I think you missed the actual scientists who were also Creationists.

  • landofaahs

    I thought it was “built up bull”.

  • Jesmlet

    Here’s the thing: the Bible says the Bible is the God-breathed, but the Bible was not written by God and is laced with social anachronisms and personal agendas of the time (see all shellfish, stoning women, fabric condemnation rules, etc.). Unless you’re willing to live by every single thing the Bible says, you are essentially admitting there is some wiggle room on how much is truth and how much is distortion. Then again, there really is no point in arguing with someone who believes the world is only 6000 years old because an old book says so.

  • landofaahs

    Our country was on it’s ascendency when the Bible was the School primer but it started it’s decline when the Bible was taken out of the class room so thinking we are screwed if the Bible was back in School is not correct.

  • landofaahs

    What a lie. You and your ilk are trying to force creation out. If it’s not true then time will prove it.

  • Moment

    Sounds like you have a beef with GOD / JESUS — Isn’t it funny the Israelite didn’t, but those laws were from them. GOD lived amongst them and in doing so he ask for certain things and again they had no problem with it

    16 All
    Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and
    to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we
    are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.

  • landofaahs

    And your theory is just a guess. I’ll take faith over guess anytime.

  • Moment

    Jesus says at the end of times people will turn from sound doctrine ” His Word / The Bible ” unto fables ” Lies ” having itchy ears they will find anyone who will tell them what they want to hear

  • Moment

    The future we get away from GOD the worst the country is doing

  • Colette Harrington Schwoeri

    I watched, and as a Christian, I have to be honest Ham lost the debate. The bible talks about God having no time table. What a day (24 hours) is to human beings is not the same to God. He has no timetable since he’s infinite. But that being said I don’t believe in evolution but have serious doubts about the 5,000 year theory. Besides, even evolutionist are going to heaven if they profess faith in Jesus Christ. God knows how he created the earth and our opinion has no bearing on our salvation.

  • Anonymous

    Wrong is wrong, even if everyone thinks the opposite. For a long time, people thought Pluto was a lot bigger than it actually was. They were all wrong, even though everyone thought it was the other way. A plurality or consensus of thought is not actually a supporting argument for a thing.

    How about you prove how evolution works/worked. I mean, just to yourself–but to all of the folks on here if you can. You have a strong faith in evolution and a strong faith in that it is connected to important discoveries or inventions from the realm of science. Just explain why you think this the case, too.

    I’m pretty sure you think this because someone told you it is so, but I doubt you can actually walk me through it from beginning to end. I don’t say this to be accusatory, just to try and get you to think about all from down in the weeds, where things actually work or don’t work.

    Why do you think what you think?

  • Kristýna Lovell

    I agree with you 100%. I am not religious and I am married to a man who is and believes in creation. We never needed to argue about it and we respect each other`s opinion. And as I see here, people supporting creation are being much more rude than you and I don`t understand. Aren`t you supposed to love each other according to your religion? Anyways, I believe in evolution and in supporting the science as well as tolerance. I just wanted to say that the way you express yourself despite being insulted is very gentleman-like.

  • Moment

    then why did he give us time?

  • Jesmlet

    I have no beef with God or Jesus. I have a beef with young earth creationists who push back against an acceptance of both God and science. If the Bible is meant as a collection of moral guidelines then what does it matter if Christians believe in scientific evidence? I live my life as a Catholic in every way (yes, EVERY way), and I have faith that the God I believe in doesn’t care if some of his followers believe in the scientific evidence that shows the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

  • landofaahs

    Fish have eyes and so do we. It’s not just breathing but many things including sound and hearing just to name a few. I will agree to disagree with you. That’s your business what you think and the same for me. Everyone has to do 2 things on their own. Their own believing and their own dying.

  • Anonymous

    Saying you’re sure and being sure, are two different things.

    Jesus and God the Father created angels and mankind, with the ability to have free moral agency. In other words we were free to make decisions based on the laws set forth from God. God will not force anyone to do anything, but he has instructed our minds (and angels) to base their decisions on reliable knowledge. If one decides to go against the rule, or law of God it becomes sin, either willful or out of ignorance – sin is sin.

    The angels acted out of envy – they weren’t satisfied with what God had offered them and decided to make war against him. The destruction of the earth and the universal bodies had to of transpired over a much longer period of time then only a few hours on the first day of creation. Another thing that should be considered. We must remember that all of these earthly angels (one-third of all the angels) were created perfect. Now even if Satan decided he wasn’t satisfied with what God had given him, it probably took a very substantial amount of time to convince all the other angels under his authority. He had to use his ancient tool of deception, which in some cases can be relatively easy, but in others might prove very difficult and take several years if not longer.

    As far as the God head “knowing” the angels would sin…they didn’t…but, they realized that they might, and that is the very reason God placed only one third on the earth to begin with.

    Let me take this one step further,

    Because the angels sinned, God had a backup plan, he realized that only he himself…(meaning, the God kind) could be relied upon never to sin. So he proceeded with plan “B”

    That is where we humans enter the realm, you see, whereas the angels were created spirit, they can never die. But with mankind, we can die. So how is God using us to do what the angels failed to do.

    Its simple really, we are to become perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect. If we obtain that stature before our deaths – then we will be reborn into a spirit body and live forever as virtually sinless creatures.

    That information is not known in today’s religious corridors. What God is doing, and using mankind, he is recreating himself. The little known human-potential that not many understand, is for men to be born into the God family, thus becoming God ourselves. As the bible says so many times, men are to be reborn as the very sons of God.

    By the way, that message got Christ killed and there’s not many people who understand what Christ was talking about even today.

  • Buzzot

    Was Australopithecus’s name Adam? if not where did he come from..

  • Anonymous

    Now, here is someone who actually reads the words and thinks on them, not relying on someone to tell him what to think about the words alone. God created the heavens and the Earth. A period of time follows which ends with the Earth formless and void. Then a new creative period begins: Day One. Of our story. Really would like to know how the previous story went, but I bet I can guess how things went if it ended with the Earth formless and void . . .

    I know, I know. It hurts your head the first time you try to see it that way. It’s like how everyone who walks into the T.A.R.D.I.S. has to wrap their head around how it’s bigger on the inside . . .

  • Kristýna Lovell

    I for instance don`t. And I don`t think it`s a bad thing. It is a personal belief and it is none of anyone else`s business. I don`t attack anyone for believing in God. I am actually married to a religious person and we never had any problems accepting each other`s believes. Why would you even ask such a question?

  • PhxCaps

    The weird part about this whole discussion (adam/eve, noah, the whole genesis part of the bible) is that it is not ONLY in the bible. The stories, or whatever you prefer to call them, are in other sources far older than the bible (new or old versions) and are used in OTHER non-Christian religions. But nobody wants to discuss this part. I am not really a religious person, not really sure I am atheist either, I am more of a ‘curious religion’ kind of person. I find it intriguing that these ‘stories’ have existed for such a long time, but are they “a true story”, “based on a true story”, “loosely based on a true story”, or “complete fiction”? Think about books written today, you can put each book into one of those categories above. What’s to say that +3000 years ago they didn’t do the same thing? The one comment that Ken Ham had that made the most sense was “You weren’t there to observe so how do you know?”, or at least that was a paraphrase of what I understood he was trying to say over and over again.

  • Anonymous

    Where are these, then?

  • Sam Hughes

    I understand your point put I don’t think the bible even needs to be brought into this. It is not a history or science book and was never meant to be. The first half of genesis is highly poetic and I really doubt it should be taken literally. If one is looking for evidence of God, he should look elsewhere. Something can’t come from nothing though and that has been proven, thus becoming scientific law. With that in mind, I think the idea of a god is logical.

  • Buzzot

    Something was created, the rest evolved. we need both faith and science..

  • TracyLynn Asbury

    It sounds like to me that evolutionists come up with the most simplest things. I had the same thing that Stu had said come across to mind. It is FAITH! And because it sounds too crazy that a Creator would confuse people who once lived amongst eachother speaking different languages and eventually were scattered abroad the earth and then everyone has a different skin color and so forth,to eveolutionists, people had to evolved from different species. But I would rather believe what the Bible says because it makes better sense to me! Hey, if they want us out of this country which God used men to establish,that’s fine. Lets’ see how long this country will stand. That’s my view of it all. God fought battles for centuries and won every one of them for His people. And then,to wake up to people on my FB page talking about the amazing things they seen when they woke up. Pictures of a “Sun Dog” being posted. I don’t think that phenomenom (sp?) happends that often. Ken Ham pretty much put it in simplest form. But,he showed how the gospel has always been.Bill Nye just rejected the gospel over and over and the same with those who listened and would not hear of it.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    Couldn`t have said it better myself. Very well worded Jesmlet.

  • Jesmlet

    The thing about this debate we’re all having is that it can easily be resolved peacefully: agreeing to disagree. My views have no effect on yours and vice versa. Thank you for not getting belligerent as I have seen in the past. As long as both sides agree not to call each other names and always act respectfully, the two views can coexist until an answer is finally found, no matter what that truth is and where it comes from.

  • Moment

    Jesus knew before the foundations of the earth Satan pride would get him and 1/3 of the angels would follow. Now it took Satan a little while to make Adam fall, but he did do such. After this fall is when they had Cain. That was one of the curses

  • Jimbo913

    Read a book.

  • Charles Williams

    The scientific method can only go so far. I say this as a scientist myself. There are a few points in the evolutionary development of animals that make little sense. For example sexual dimorphism, there are definitely benefits to sharing and swapping DNA but what are the odds of such a thing arising. I believe in God and evolution to a large extent but they both are things I believe. In my daily life I see equal evidence for both. Honestly, until we can engineer a single species into something disparate, macro evolution will be a theory. If a dog/cat shared ancestor existed 55million years ago and randomly gave rise to the two species surely, we could engineer a dog into something cat like within a couple decades. This would be solid, experimental proof of principle, unlike post hoc conclusions drawn from observation, which is tinted by the agenda of the observer.

  • Jimbo913

    Speak for yourself

  • Moment

    The only place I push back against is when so called evolution is called science and the age of the earth. The bible give the account of CREATION not EVOLUTION — it’s just that simple

  • Moment

    God says anyone who doesn’t accept me can’t even see heaven they are walking in darkness. So I understand why you are confused .. Jesmlet is just lost at the moment and trying to go with the world. The lord commands his people to come up out of the world.

    See what ever way the world is pushing is the wrong way

  • Anonymous

    Oh whew, thank goodness we have Glenn to explain to us folks, just what this is really all about:

  • Jimbo913

    I don’t agree with anything you have said here but this is kind of funny. I hope you are joking of course.

  • Anonymous

    Vampire Temple, huh? This guy apparently believes the vampire is the next step in human evolution (that’s what his site says). Just sayin’,

    Now, take me from random atoms and molecules to any living creature at all. I mean, drop your faith in the idea for a few minutes and show me how it WORKS. Also, I need you to actually be convinced yourself by the sheer logic and overwhelming evidence in support of this logic. No faith, just undeniable factual evidence and the connecting logic.

    Honestly, don’t bother with such for man-to-vampire for me, though. I’m good with that.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    I don`t think so. It`s a matter of personal belief to me. And I am not confused, thank you. By the way, quite impressive you can tell that Jemslet is lost and I am confused without even knowing anything about either one of us and you base this statement on your personal belief. Quite unfair to me but hey, that`s just me.

  • Moment

    Nothing personal — I pray for you just as I do Jemslet – I’m just telling you what Jesus said. It’s in the bible you can read. HE say you are in darkness and can’t even see heaven.

  • Anonymous

    If the angels would have stayed perfect, then there would have been no need to create mankind. They would have been allowed to enter into the vast universe and finish the job God started, sort-of frost the cake God baked. Now think on this, God does not create evil, in fact he cannot. What you are suggesting is, God deliberately created evil angels to have them tempt men. God does not, nor cannot tempt anyone and he never has. If men obey his voice, and enter into life, then our reward is the entire endless universe. First we’ll have to “renew” the universe to its original form of creation, then God will allow his – absolutely-eternally-perfect sons to enter into the dark-vastness and give it light and do with it, what God has done with planet earth – create life.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll give you that a guy redefining words in a debate is not a sign of good things for his position. However, you don’t win a debate by letting the other guy do his thing one way or the other. You win because you defended your position well, using factual, empirical evidence to support your assertions.

    Which part of Nye’s presentation convinced you that evolution has occurred? I’m not interested in how he made a case for an old Earth or the Bible as not authoritative or Ham is deluded or any other thing. At what point did the words coming out of his mouth provide convincing evidence for how evolution could work and that it actually did occur at some point in time?

  • Jesmlet

    So because one book has been interpreted to claim that the Earth is somewhere between 5000 and 10000 years old, you discount all the scientific evidence to the contrary? (Carbon dating, amino acid racemization, continental drift, erosion, permafrost, our ability to see distant galaxies over 10000 light years away. I could go on but I know you won’t believe any of it anyway. You’ll just dig your heels in and insist that it’s all wrong and the Bible is infallible right?)

  • Moment

    Jesus created the most perfect angel that pride grew in him until he said I will be like the most high. I will place myself above the most high.

    So tell me how long were Adam and Eve in the garden before they sinned

  • Charles Williams

    The bible is inspired of God but surely fallaeble as the men who read it and those who wrote it. Do this exercise: explain how a microwave works to a 5year old. And then have them explain it to their friends. What is the end result.? Even if you give the child the truth it will inherently be biased by the limited understanding of the child. Now contemplate how God would explain the physics and genetics behind the creation of man. Do you think Moses author of the Pentateuch had a firm grasp of all these things? No. So too with much of the poetic devices in the Bible.

  • Anonymous

    By all indication, not that long.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    Only HE didn`t write the Bible. And since it is human made it could be anyone`s personal agenda. That is my opinion since I don`t believe in God. But I do thank you for praying for me. I do understand you mean it well.

  • Moment

    YES when we can trace no written records back more than 4000 years, when it is evidence these dating methods can be wrong, When Ice can melt several times a year and refreeze, when it’s no tree older that 4500 years no matter what Bill Nye and the last i read on a parallax could only go out 1500 light years

  • Anonymous

    I think we should ask the Sumerians, perhaps consult their writing that predate the claimed Earth creation date by a thousand years. Maybe they saw it happen, Maybe God consulted them before building in their neighborhood, as a good builder always consults the neighbors.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    Liberals are mentally ill if they elected Obama but it has nothing to do with this debate I believe.

  • Moment

    This says you are wrong

    2 Peter 1:21
    For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

  • Anonymous

    Never forget that Darwin’s only formal education WAS AS A PRIEST. This is why I personally reject the thesis of evolutionism, it’s very religious and theistic.

  • Moment

    This says you are wrong

    2 Peter 1:21
    For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. –

  • Moment

    So what would you say .. 20,30, — either so even if it was that long Jesus had already created man

  • Kristýna Lovell

    That is not a proof, you are again asking someone to believe that what is written in the Bible is true, in other words proving Bible by it`s very existence and that will not work for somebody who already believes the Bible is not entirely correct or just man made.

  • Moment

    The bible say those who wrote it had no clue of what they were writing ..

  • Anonymous

    And that is good enough, “If you say you love me Peter, then feed my sheep” – For the moment, “Moment” appears to be hungry.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    Again, if I don`t believe in the Bible, this doesn`t change anything for me. It is written in the Bible in which I don`t believe. It`s like a circle. You either believe or you don`t and it`s everybody`s personal thing and I get annoyed when people argue about it trying to persuade one another that their theory is the right one. I never discouraged my husband from believing and he was never disturbed by the fact that I don`t. And I wish it worked like that worldwide.

  • Jesmlet

    It would have taken MILLIONS of years for the Grand Canyon to form. Stalactites, radioactive decay, petrified wood, lack of DNA in fossils, impact craters, I mean COME ON. DINOSAURS. It just keeps on going. If you have any understanding of science, you can’t possibly think that all of this evidence is wrong. I give up.

  • Hud McWilliams

    this is not faith versus science… Sorry to disabuse you of this eensy fact. Evolution is a matter of faith as well. Creationists don’t use different evidence than evolutionists do. Science is about observation and repetition, only one of which we can do. This debate was about control, not about science. It must be nice to leave faith out of the beginning of things, even when that is entirely not possible.

    Why can’t it be called science? Just because you don’t like it or the results don’t fit your narrow view? Sorry, science isn’t about what you think people should hear…It is about discovery, and we all lose when there is no discussion, as should be obvious on several fronts these days.

  • Moment

    You don’t have to but you should at least take it in context if we are discussing it. You can’t make it say what you want it and it says they had no clue

  • Anonymous

    What was the common ancestor?

  • Anonymous

    Um, that would be an ape.

  • Moment

    I wish he would have asked Bill Nye what happened at Mt St Helen after the eruption. It made a dam and when it broke it carved out a mini grand canyon over night.

    Dinosaur walked earth with man after the flood. Job seen them

  • Jesmlet

    Oh and just because we can’t trace written records back more than 4000 years doesn’t mean they didn’t exist. Isn’t that one of our explanations for why we believe in God? By the way, we’ve found cave paintings 40,000 years old but I’m sure you doubt the dating on that too.

  • Moment

    I do hunger for his word

  • Anonymous

    When evolutionary scientists re-create an evolutionary pathway in the laboratory, come talk to me. Until then, it’s no different than Aristotle observing the behavior of his surroundings and coming up with the theory of the four elements.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    I have no desire to make it say what I want it to say. I am simply saying that I don`t believe in it and therefore any self-justifying from the Bible itself can`t change it. It is not an outside source. If I wrote a book saying I had no idea what I was doing and that it is created by God would it be worshiped to? I mean that`s what this is, right?

  • Hud McWilliams

    I would be curious to know where you get your 97% from. I doubt it is close to that high. Unless of course, you only ask the scientists you know are going to give the ‘right’ answer.

  • Anonymous

    What was the common ancestor?

  • Moment

    Did you find a calendar next to it if not you can’t prove that. Also the bible proves why we can’t find any written records. If man was here hundreds of thousands of years we would have some example of keeping time because time is very important to us

  • Anonymous

    OK. Let’s talk some science. The Grand Canyon could form in a matter of days with sufficient volume of water. Stalactites can form in weeks. Radioactive decay is meaningless as a dating technique unless you can guarantee you know initial amounts in your sample, and there is no way to know that. Wood can petrify in weeks. Non-fossilized tissue containing DNA has been found for dinosaurs, which is supposed to be impossible considering the established half-life of DNA outside the body.

    What IS unscientific is the idea that we can completely figure out the history of life and the planet by digging in a few thousand places.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    Australopithecus, come on, you must have at least heard it at school.

  • Moment

    You were telling me that it was written by man. You were telling me what was in the bible and it’s not. matter of fact it says just the opposite. So if you don’t believe the bible then leave it out of discussion

  • Charles Williams

    I fail to see the relevance. Peter was speaking of messianic prophecy. Don’t just snip pieces from Bible and ignore the context. This was a letter written to the Jews, that had started to follow Jesus. It has nothing to do with what I said. Extending the previous metaphor,I didn’t say that you need to let a child make up a way for a microwave to work. But rather you as an entity imparted knowledge to the child as God imparts wisdom and knowledge on prophets.

  • landofaahs

    I’m seriously joking of course,)

  • Moment

    Ok then this proves you wrong

    2 Peter 1:20
    Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

    No author of the bible had their own interpretation — Can I get a AMEN — Brother Charles

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, the argument that an outside input of energy can decrease entropy is an answer from someone who has no clue about entropy. Unless you have a method to CONTROL the incoming energy, all it does is speed up the entropy. A classic example to prove this point: Put a blow torch on something. You are introducing a LOT of external energy into the system. You aren’t reducing entropy one bit.

  • Charles Williams

    Et tu

  • Moment

    that’s why i gave scripture — eat cake — ha ha — just kidding

  • Kristýna Lovell

    I am not the one that keeps bringing it up and as a matter of fact, I only named the pieces that people who believe in it left in the comments above so I suppose those are in the Bible if they were quoted. Oh and did I leave out the fact that I actually read it all so yes I know what I`m talking about. As a big contribution to our cultural heritage, it sure is worth reading. I do not believe in it nor do I believe in the presented way of the Bible`s creation but that is a different subject. All I was trying to say is that if I don`t believe in the Bible, there is no way I will change my opinion based on the quotations from the Bible which is logical.

  • Hud McWilliams

    Sorry, but there is actually more and better evidence that the Biblical translations are correct than there are that Shakespeare wrote all his works. There are scrolls and things that are much closer to the time period that these things were written, not to mention all of the outside proof (extra-Biblical) that what happened in the Bible actually happened.

    Oh, and observation can be shoddy as well, bound up in bias and stubbornness. By the way, this isn’t about religion so much as it is about faith. That is what this comes down to. You BELIEVE that evolution is true, although you can’t prove it. We believe creation is true, and we can’t prove it either. However, the evidence does stand better for one than the other.

    Take the sphinx. when an evolutionist was given a photo of the sphinx showing JUST it’s side and asked what caused the striations, the scientist answered, ‘water runoff’. Then when showed the entire picture backtracked and hemmed and hawed.

    Food for thought.

  • Moment

    All I’m saying is if you say man wrote the bible and it’s not true and you had read it then you would have none it said the holy spirit wrote it.

    Again the belief is between you and GOD but the words are there in black and white and when there not they are in red

  • Kristýna Lovell

    You do realize that the evolution took MILLIONS of years. I`m pretty sure you won`t be here for the re-creation of it.

  • landofaahs

    You are willing to believe Sumerians though you don’t believe in creation at all. The Sumerians were wrong and did not exist 6000 years ago.

  • Moment

    They are about to with Superhumans / Supersoliders and I believe both are on earth right now. They will say this is the next step in evolution but it’s all man made. The devil is deceiving

  • Anonymous

    Personally, I’d be happy if they just taught all the holes in the hypothesis (evolution doesn’t even rate as a theory). Haldane’s dilemma, irreducible complexity (yes, it’s a real problem). Inability to even empirically define what you are trying to measure (species), unreliability of radiometric and other dating techniques (carbon-14 production in the atmosphere is NOT a constant), how fossils are really assembled (pieces and parts gathered over an area then assembled using MODERN taxonomy rules – which begs the question, how can you use modern taxonomy, when you are talking about ancestors which have not yet evolved to modern taxonomy).

    The Hypothesis of Evolution is the biggest piece of junk science every thought up by the human brain (yes, it is bigger junk science than climate change).

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Revan

    I wanted to see if he got it.

  • Moment

    Good call. They believe in them but not GOD — FUNNY

  • landofaahs

    I always speak for myself. Just like you I am an expert on only one thing; My opinion. But please don’t blame someone for name calling and end a sentence with name calling and then claim you are not hypocritical. It makes you look like an idiot and forces me not communicate with you. I really don’t care to engage idiots. I can engage a-holes, hypocrites and most every other kind of thing, but not idiots.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    Exactly!! The Bible says it was written by the Holy spirit and you have no other proof for it other than the words of the Bible itself. In which I don`t believe and that`s why I think it is written by man. It`s a circle of believes in which yours is different than mine, therefore I propose to agree to disagree since your source of proof is the Bible which is not an eligible source of proof to me.

  • Paula Coyle

    “can’t we agree to disagree” Well only if you are so ignorant of Scripture, Glenn, that you can’t see why it is important.

    Maybe you should actually listen through his series to understand why? Something Nye very obviously didn’t bother to do either.

    They had a debate. Is that so offensive? What’s the problem? Can’t you just agree to disagree?

  • Paula Coyle

    Actually, all life apparently arose from non life, known as spontaneous generation. Right?

  • Paula Coyle

    A rock.

  • Moment

    Do you believe the bible was written to control?

  • Paula Coyle

    And you know this why? Based on what evidence? And no, “it must have happened like that” is not very scientific.

  • Jesmlet

    First of all, I’m assuming you meant *dam. Second, thank you for providing me with one of the biggest laughs I’ve had this week with that last sentence. Lastly, your pseudoscience can only provide a counterargument to one out of every five pieces of evidence that support a much older Earth and a weak one at that. Enjoy your delusions.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    I believe it was written by an intelligent person in order to establish some morals actually. And I was raised in those morals, they gave the ground for our modern law system. Only my parents told me I answer to my conscience not God.

  • Moment

    We have things all over the earth that says man did walk with dinosaurs

  • Kristýna Lovell

    Like what exactly?

  • Moment

    It was written by 40 different men over 1500 years as the holy spirit moved them and Jesus says we all will answer to him. but glad to see you understand where morals come from

    Let me tell you this .. Jesus says they have a form of godliness but deny the power of who can save them

  • Jimbo913

    Fair enough, but you said all humans are fallen. That was what I was referring to.

  • landofaahs

    He will be in a moment or two, once he gains a little momentum.

  • Moment

    never seen this page before but it has a lot of information but was trying to show the stone eggs that have dinosaurs printed on them that we didn’t know about
    genesispark.com/exhibits/evidence/historical/ancient/dinosaur/

  • Kristýna Lovell

    I am very well educated and I do realize it is the oldest form of morals written but as far as the creation of Bible goes I simply don`t see it that way and like I said before if Bible is the only proof for this statement then that doesn`t change my mind.

  • Moment

    Jesus says they have a form of godliness but deny the power of who can save them

    you’re telling yourself right now

  • Charles Williams

    Out of context and not applicable, sorry

  • Jimbo913

    Everyone knows the sphinx was made by aliens. Just kidding. But your last point makes no sense. Still waiting for my food. I hope it is tacos. I really like tacos. Like a lot.

  • Anonymous

    The Word (who became Jesus) had created man (Adam) in the garden of Edan. He was trained in all understanding by God himself, which probably took a few years. During this time, Adam actually named all the beast of the earth, he noticed that in the animal kingdom, all were created male and female, and Adam grew lonely and desired a mate for himself, thus, God removed a rib from Adams chest and created woman for him as a life-long mate. That was the first marriage ceremony to ever take place. The same instruction that was afforded Adam, Eve also received, again , this process most likely took years to complete.

    Angels were created to fill the universe, but before God would allow potential sinful creatures out in the vastness of space, he had to make absolutely certain, that they would not turn on him. It only makes sense for a wise creator to do that. As it was, the angels had access to Gods throne, allowing them close proximity to a large portion of the cosmos. When the angels turned on God and actually wanted him dead, that is when the destruction happened and NASA has recorded it many times. The earth became destroyed at that same time. God would have nothing to do with this evil rebellion and he thrust Satan back to the earth. That crashing event of the angels plunging down to earth, at hyper-speed – is probably what destroyed all life on the planet.

    The bible doesn’t say for sure, but the earth may have remained in this desolate-destructive state for millions of years, before God decided to “renew” the face of the earth and finally create mankind.

    Now Adam had a chance to replace Satan from off his earthly throne, but Satan proved to be too strong and Adam and Eve were promptly kicked out of the garden to keep them away from the tree of life, lest they eat of it and live forever with sinful nature as the fallen angels had done. It wasn’t until “the second Adam” – Jesus Christ, who was able to kick Satan off his throne – but, Christ has not yet received, or taken that throne upon himself and he will not until he returns. Then, at that time, Satan will be bound for one thousand years and Christ will rule the earth for a thousand years.

    Why did Christ ‘not’ take over the throne of the earth back when he conquered the devil, because one of the reasons he was here, was to start his church. The church is his instrument for teaching future sons of God how to co-rule with him, and upon his return, these men and women, will be resurrected at the last trump and the dead in Christ will be raised un-corruptible. These are the Saints of the most high God. They will help Christ rule the earth for one thousand years. At that same time the nations will proclaim – The kingdom of God is among men.

    That is the truth of God, and this same message will be taught and proclaimed the world over very soon.

  • Guest

    I don`t deny anything. I just don`t believe in it. If I denied it then that would mean that somewhere deep inside I believed. Which I don`t.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    Genesis park? Really? That`s like supporting Bible itself or what Bible says by what Bible says.

  • Moment

    Jesus says in Romans 1:18-20 that he put it in you to know him and if that’s not enough you can tell by the natural wonders of the world it is a GOD and we are without excuse

    Do you know they did a massive study that says man is predispose to believe in GOD, the supernatural,

    The did another one that said natural wonders make of think of GOD

    Sounds like he put it in us to know him –

    You are without excuse – Jesus is real, he is GOD, he is the only name under heaven which man must be saved, Jesus loves you

  • Moment

    look for those eggs about halfway down the page. Find a page you trust and read on them, plus it’s fossil human foot prints with dinosaurs. now I know they say that’s been debunked but they are right there

  • Jimbo913

    Riiiight. Did you learn that technique from porky pig?

  • Anonymous

    He didn’t say that dude.

    The point he made was that how people, the vast majority of these being atheists, seem incapable of agreeing to disagree.

    Some people will believe what they will no matter what, to the point of taking those beliefs right to their deathbeds. The important thing to remember is that God’s love is infinite. He doesn’t care whether you believe or not, He still loves you and forgives you from your sins.

  • Guest

    That is very nice of him and I sure wouldn`t think of him in a bad way if I believed. One of the reasons I don`t believe is exactly what you just wrote. I should have something put in me that makes me believe in Gof and that does not work with my personal beliefs

  • Moment

    The flood came basically 1500 years after adam was created. That was the destruction and the next one is saved up for fire

  • Moment

    heres your problem –” and that does not work with my personal beliefs ”

    You want your wants.

    I use to tell Jesus I know I need to accept you but I don’t want to be a bible church going nerd. i want to party, chase women, drink, drugs and so on, but by the grace of the god I lived long enough to ask him in and make him my lord and savior

  • Moment

    are fallen angels

  • Jesmlet

    Let me take the one I know the most about and go with that. I could offer vague arguments against the others but I’d rather just tackle the one I’m most familiar with. The so-called non-fossilized dinosaur tissue in Alaska was found by creationists who lacked the credentials to make those claims. The bones weren’t examined by any reputable palaeontologists and the pictures in their book don’t look unfossilized. They even admitted that they found a piece of driftwood and thought it was a dinosaur bone. They said the bones would undergo extensive testing as validation and as far as I’m aware, they haven’t published anything related since. Most likely they just found mammoth or mastodon bones and thought they were dinosaur because the group that found the bones consisted of a model sculptor, a math teacher, an owner of an outdoor gear company, a dentist and a guy with a B.S in geology but an M.S that provides no real application to fieldwork.

    As for stalactites, the rate at which they grow maintains that under a 6000 year time frame, the largest any of them could be is about 1 meter. The only evidence to the contrary is anecdotal.

    Grand Canyon formation rests on theory as far as I’m aware so I won’t go near that one.

    Finally, radioactive decay is a far more reliable method than you’re portraying it to be.

  • Charles Williams

    And if anyone removes any of the words from this book of prophecy, God will remove that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book.
    rev. 22:19

  • fire lion

    Adam and Eve huh? that means your whole family was inbred from the beginning. lolooololol

    Id rather come from monkey that dont screw their mother.

  • landofaahs

    Fair enough and I will try to remember you consider yourself sinless. I don’t have the pressure to claim to be perfect. But though I am fallen God picks me right back up.

  • Moment

    Then get right

  • Moment

    any man who says he has no sin lies to himself

  • Moment

    Ica Stone depictions

  • Kristýna Lovell

    Sorry, I clicked on something and closed the page and it only sent a part of my comment. What I wanted to say is that it is very sweet of Jesus to love me, I sure would think of him highly if I believed in him. The thing is I don`t trust psychological studies and I don`t think we`re predisposed to anything like our personal believes. We grow into those as we are raised by our parents and influenced by our society. My country is actually the least religious country in the world given by its history. The church has only done bad in my country, they burnt people, books, cause they didn`t want people educated as they were worried that they would stop believing and to this day they remained ridiculously greedy. Then the Russians took over and pushed the religion out almost completely. What I`m trying to say is I grew up in a completely different environment than you did and I don`t like having things assumed about me. I don`t think I`m confused or walking in the darkness, in fact I am very happy and I do have a good purpose in life. And I do not believe in God and I don`t think I ever will.

  • landofaahs

    Nye, Nye spit in me eye
    if ye have the guts to give her a try
    But you won’t find it easy to promote your lies
    and will prove you’re not the “Science” but dumbass guy.

  • Charles Williams

    It was aimed at you. ‘You have eyes–can’t you see? You have ears–can’t you hear?’

  • Johnny

    Given the very white person shown on your profile picture, I assume your ancestors came from Europe at some point, did they not?

    Well, the question you just asked is akin to asking “why are there still Europeans?”

  • Anonymous

    One must remember. The bible is a book for the instruction of mankind. God does give us only small amounts of information of pre-history. Other than that, he is more concerned with humans than he is with angelic. God is also a scientist. The record of dinosaur’s found all over the earth is proof the earth is several millions of years old. For one to argue that the dinosaurs were created at the same time men were is foolish.

    These over-sized clumsy creatures would have caused men to become extinct very quickly . On the other hand, knowing that the angels were spirit composed entities and lived here simultaneously – these large flesh-eating creatures would pose no threat. Now some would suggest that argument doesn’t make sense, but Satan and his demons are alive and well and they walk among men every single day.

  • Jimbo913

    Yeah like that math stuff. I mean you can’t prove infinity exists.

  • Moment

    Those are people that did wrong — Not Jesus – You can’t blame him for man when he told you they were no good including me and you. The only thing that separates us from this world is the blood of Jesus and you may not be doing bad things on the outside but trust me Jesus says he knows your heart and something in there is not right.

    None of us can help it. We covet something or maybe it’s just believing you can do it without him.

  • Johnny

    Chimpanzees were also created by God, and they are ~98% identical to humans. So, would it be fair to say that chimpanzees were made approximately in God’s image?

  • Moment

    Finding clams on top of mt Everest and whales in desert should tell you it was a flood. Not the earth is millions of years old. Again Jesus told Job to look at the dinosaur.

    Job was on earth with dinosaur and Job was after the flood because it was raining and it never rained before the flood

  • Johnny

    Define “life.” If you bother to read up on the topic, you’ll find that there’s little consensus on what “life” even is or what attributes it must possess.

  • Darren Wilkens

    Just like eternity, infinity has no end.

  • Anonymous

    Pat Robertson asked Mr Ham to shut up today, and made fun of his beliefs. We may disagree on the age of the earth, but Mr Ham takes God at His Word. He bases his faith on the Word of God. Is GOD laughing at Mr Ham? No way. God honors faith, not what men call science. I would rather be laughed at for believing what God said, and take the consequences. I may be wrong on the details, but right for my faith.

  • Moment

    I can smell bullS## also

  • Anonymous

    Regarding… “Rather than just agreeing to disagree and respecting differing opinions,
    supporters of evolution – like Nye and Bill Mahr and others – resort to
    name calling and shouting matches as a means of gaining control.”

    Glenn Beck speaks out of both sides of his mouth when he says something like this. Example in point… there are those of us who on a number of occasions have sworn an oath like the following:

    “I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army
    of the United States, as indicated above in the grade
    of _____
    do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
    defend
    the Constitution of the United States against all
    enemies, foreign
    and domestic, that I will bear true faith and
    allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any
    mental
    reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will
    well and
    faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon
    which I am
    about to enter; So help me God.” (DA Form 71, 1 August
    1959,
    for officers.)”

    Those who have sworn such an oath know more about what it means to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic” than those who have not sworn such an oath.

    To those who have sworn such an oath it is self evident why the Founder’s included qualifications for the office of President in the Constitution. The Founder’s did not want the office of the President to be controlled by foreign influence which would occur when a person owing allegiance to foreign sovereigns obtained the office of the President.ow that purpose for the qualifications for the office of President.

    Beck could have chosen to educate America on what the Founder’s meant by the following qualifications for the office of the President, including his reasoning for it appears his belief that any US Citizen regardless of their allegiance owed to foreign sovereigns is eligible to the office of the President.

    No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United
    States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be
    eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be
    eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty
    five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United
    States.

    At the adoption of the Constitution, “natural born Citizens” were persons born to parents who had sworn an oath of allegiance to the Constitution. Such “natural born Citizens” were not eligible to serve as President until they attained the age of 35. This made it necessary to grandfather Citizens of the United States, who swore allegiance to the Constitution at it’s adoption so they could serve in the office of President during the interim while “natural born Citizens” were maturing to the age of 35.

    The only qualification for the office of President which had a built in sunset clause was the one which made Citizens of the United States at the adoption of the Constitution eligible for the office of the President. This qualification for the office of the President was to expire once all Citizens of the United States at the adoption of the Constitution had deceased.

    Beck knows this. Beck also knows that if President George Washington and Justice John Jay could come back down here and set things right, that their first task would be to throw the usurper out of the White House.

    Yet there is hole in Beck’s copy of the Constitution where the qualifications for the office of President are. His copy of the Constitution where those qualifications for the office of the President are must read:

    No person except a citizen of the United
    States, shall be
    eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be
    eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty
    five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United
    States.

    When today, it should read:

    No person except a natural born citizen shall be
    eligible to the office of President [In other words, Citizens of the United States who owe allegiance to foreign sovereigns shall not be eligible to the office of the President]; neither shall any person be
    eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty
    five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United
    States.

  • Anonymous

    What evolution can never explain to me is why we are the only species over millions of years to develop a conscience. From a survival of the fittest standpoint, a conscience would seem to me to put the species which exhibited this trait at a disadvantage and natural selection would select against this trait. Why are we also the only species to exhibit self awareness? Human beings exhibit far too many unique characteristics for it all to be just an accident. Sort of like a tornado going through a junkyard and leaving a 747 in it’s wake.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    This is what really bothers me. Based on your personal belief you will tell me that Jesus (whom I don`t even believe in) knows there is something not right with my heart… That to me is an insult and I know many many many people who believe and they are inconsiderate and selfish! I do not judge anybody`s heart based on my beliefs and just for your information, we rescued a dog, we are working on fostering some more so that they don`t get killed, we give money to the charity and I spent my summer working with disabled kids for free. You are actually the first person I told cause I never felt like I needed to defend myself in this matter. i always wanted to do these things cause I wanted to help but Jesus knows my heart better and there is something wrong with it. I am sure that my religious neighbor`s heart that beats and screams at his wife but goes to church every Sunday and his wifi is literally called JesusIsTheSavior is so much better. This is hypocrisy.

  • Anonymous

    Please report to Bellevue for permanent hospitalization. WHile there please take the option of a free lobotomy. It will increase your mental capacity 100 per cent. From zero to one.

  • Anonymous

    You are wrong on both points. It is a science book and a history book. You need to reeducate yourself.

  • Bridget Bludau-Wanninger

    The Apollo 8 astronauts read the creation story in Genesis from outerspace and Neil Armstrong a devout Christian, gave himself a church service with communion on the Moon as to include God with this monumental achievement of man. A good deal of the scientist who created and worked at NASA were Christians. Oh wait a minute. Didn’t Nye say that science can’t progress with Christian thinking as a part of it. chuckle chuckle

  • Anonymous

    Please avail yourself to permanent hospitalization at Bellevue. While you are at it, avail yourself to a free lobotomy. It will raise your mental capacity 100 per cent. From zero to one.

  • Simon

    DNA is just an assortment of matter. It is information just like the composition of wood or stone.

    Besides, it’s not about the probability of something happening. The amino acid chaid did not just join up randomly one day. It took millions of years of success-driven evolution for that to happen. Yes, it was unlikely that it survived that long, but it did. Just because something happens doesn’t mean it can’t be rare. Think about it like people winning the lottery. It’s extremely unlikely that someone wins the jackpot, but it still happens.

  • Anonymous

    My Bible says God made man. What does your bible say?????

  • Simon

    They have done it already. Evolution is difficult to observe due to the amount of time that it takes for most generations of life forms to precede one another in our lifetime, but experiments have proven evolution just as well as gravity. For example, animals were released on an island and left to their own devices. Several years later, after the scientists had given them time to breed and produce offspring across multiple generations, they found that the animals’s stomachs had evolved to enable the proper ingestion of the island’s local fauna and flora.

  • Moment

    Will I know I’m a piece of crap in about ever way possible. I have done it all in my life time.

    See that’s why I repented. I heard the holy spirit convicting me of my sins and I allowed him to judge me and he showed me how evil I was and how bad I still am.

    See that’s why a believer will not be judged by Jesus at the great white throne judgment because they have allowed him to judge us through the holy spirit on earth.

    We will be rewarded and some more than others. I’ll probably come in smelling of smoke. Only the grace of GOD and faith in Jesus is going to get me there.

    Let me ask you this. What is Jesus going to judge unbelievers on? Do you believe he is going to judge you on your bad things? I say NO. he will judge unbelievers on what they believe to be their best things.

    They will say didn’t a do this in your name and he is going to say I never knew you.

    So we have come full circle again — have a form of godliness but deny the power of the one who can save.

    Again those are your words and not mine. Jesus is just backing them up

  • Kristýna Lovell

    We don`t have a Bible, we don`t need one. I personally have my morals I have been raised with. That`s all I need as far as my believes of good and bad go.

  • Moment

    That we want to be like gods

  • Moment

    You told me earlier your morals can from GOD

  • Kristýna Lovell

    Please don¨t insult me as I don¨t insult you. No reason to be rude.

  • Anonymous

    Because it will determine which side of the judgment throne you will be on. The right for those who will enter heaven or the left for those who will suffer the second death. The permanent separation from God and an eternity in hell filled with unimaginable terror and horror.

    If you are right then nothing will happen to either of us as we will be as a dead animal. If I am right, where will YOU spend eternity? I choose the right side of the throne.

  • Simon

    What you’re saying is equivalent to reading a Batman comic and using that comic as “evidence” that Batman exists. There is no proof for the Bible being a literal historical account, and in fact there’s an enormous amount of proof against it. If you’re going to believe in science, then you must rely on proof to know things. Think about that next time you open your holy book.

  • Moment

    So they adapted to their environment –

  • Anonymous

    Sorry but the “God” that fundamentalists and literal believers of the bible believe in is more akin to a Las Vegas magician then the omnipotent creator of the universe. “Let their be light”. Poof!! we have light. “Let their be a giraffe”. Poof!! we have a giraffe. Reminds me of the time I saw Siegfried and Roy make the elephant disappear at Caesars Palace. The elephant was their right in front of us and then Poof!! Elephant was gone. Sorry folks but the God I believe in created the laws of physics that allow all matter to exist at all. The God I believe in created the mathematics of the Universe that power those physics. And yes, the God I believe in created an incredibly complex process called evolution that allowed all life to evolve into what it is today. That process is so complex that we most likely will never understand it. But then again, we ain’t God. The God I believe in most likely put the basic ingredients of life on many millions of planets in the universe and his process of evolution is operating their too. And sorry, but earth is far older the 6000 years. God’s “time” is far beyond my understanding and most certainly beyond the understanding of Mr. Ham. My God is a wonder and his abilities of creation unlimited. His God isn’t.

  • Moment

    Amen

  • Kristýna Lovell

    Depends. The Christians in my country took wealth away from people, burnt some of them and burnt books of course so that people wouldn`t educate. Nothing is one sided

  • Moment

    GIGO — Garbage In Garbage Out — see evolutionist have been feed garbage and the science behind it is based off of garbage and when you build on garbage you get garbage.

    Evolutionist have been deceived, but the bible tells us man will turn from sound doctrine ” Bible ” and turn to fables ” evolution ” having itchy ears they will find anyone who will tell them what they want to hear

  • Kristýna Lovell

    yeah, that`s exactly what evolution is. Adapting and and evolving into something more efficient, stronger and more likely to survive

  • Simon

    The amount evidence for evolution and the Big Bang is enormous. Go to a museum and try to listen when people explain to you the significance of fossils, experiments, light speed, and so on.

    The word “theory” in science does not mean the same as the everyday version of the word. “Theory” is used in science as an indication of open-mindedness towards evidence used to either disprove or enhance said theories. Gravity is a theory. Does that mean it lacks proof? No, it doesn’t. It means scientists are always ready to integrate new data from experiments and peer reviews into scientific knowledge.

  • Moment

    Are you sure they were Christians. If so how ? Sounds like the devil to me

  • Moment

    Before I found the lord I told all kinds of women all kids of stuff and a lot of them believed it

  • Simon

    Evolution. Basic physics. Basic biology. Basic chemistry. Open a regular secondary school science textbook and you’ll see how it’s all explained very clearly.

  • Moment

    It’s adaptation — Not making a cat into a dog

    See I believe this is one of the biggest problem — A misuse of words –

  • Kristýna Lovell

    No I didn`t. I said the same morals I was raised with are written in the Bible. Which to me is not from God. Don`t twist my words. Plus they are not 100% same anyways to be completely honest. But the main ones yes, killing is bad, stealing is bad, stuff like that.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    See? And I just think we will all rot in the ground and it won`t matter one bit what we believed during our life. You presented me your belief, here was mine.

  • Christa Reich

    “If a scientist makes a discovery that changes the way people view natural law, Scientist embrace him or her” Nye LMAO History shows that scientist embrace after years of doubt and disbelief first….recognition after death in some cases.

  • Moment

    But now you are taking what you want out the bible and denying the rest — you can do that and you are the first person to tell a christian they can’t but you can

  • Anonymous

    Wrong answer. In the Bible, He says, I AM THE WORD, THE TRUTH…. The original authors were directed by the Holy Spirit as what to write. THE 1611 KJV was translated by 47 bible scholars who could read, write, and speak Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic. They each had to agree 100 percent as to the interpretation and translation of every word, jot, and tittle of the KJVB. No other perversion since the work of King James has had people die being burned at the stake or beheaded because they had a 1611 KJVB. The perversions were transliterated by unrepentant sinners and for those whose only goal was to rewrite the 1611 KJV to support their sin or for money.

  • Moment

    So lets drink up, have big orgies, kill people, steal from them, take their wives, do what you want to do.

    Oh we did it was before the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah

  • landofaahs

    We were created in Gods image which means we have a soul and that Adam and Eve were created without sin. God is Spirit although he did take on the form of man when he came to earth in the form of Jesus. So your 98% genetics makes no difference because chimps don’t have souls and cannot reason between right and wrong.

  • Simon

    “However RNA is made up of proteins. It’s a which came first the chicken or the egg problem, and scientists can’t answer it yet”
    Scientists couldn’t explain many things a long time ago. That’s how science works. Constant learning.

    “Every time they think they’ve solved a feature of nature they just open the box to a few hundred more questions.”
    And those questions are always answered, sooner or later. Trying to investigate how the universe works isn’t a bad thing.

    “To think that man has everything all figured out is just plain arrogance.”

    You’re contradicting yourself, and no scientist will ever tell you that humankind has everything figured out. Scientists are extremely humble. They admit it when they make mistakes. They are open to peer reviewing. They are open to proof. That’s how science works. The Bible says that it is the only answer to all of our questions and is closed to peer review and investigative scrutiny – THAT is arrogance.

  • Anonymous

    Then you do not have belief. Belief and faith are quite similar. You believe you have a brain because you have been told you have one. Have you ever seen it? Physically seen it? Can you see oxygen? You have been told oxygen is real but have you seen it? You believe the ones who have told you it is there. You put your faith in the words of man and not God.

  • Anonymous

    Well all I can tell you is what I know to be truth. The earth as is recorded in Genesis, was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. Then God created mankind and renewed the face of the earth after a rebellion by the devil had caused it to be in that state of decay. Again, God does not create in a state of decay. Then, the first man Adam fell victim to the same evil influence, that one third of all the angels succumbed to. The earth before the flood became so evil that God was angry that he even created mankind in the first place, but he repented of that mindset and started anew after destroying all men in a flood, all except seven souls. There will come a day in the near future that the world will once again become tohu and bohu ,but even though it is directly associated with Satan the devil, it will be brought on by sinful men, who do not understand why man was placed here on the earth.

  • Moment

    Jesus says we will be changed in a twinkling of an eye, from mortal to immortal from perishable to nonperishable. So he is going to change us in a instant but took him million of years the first time?

    Is he getting stronger

  • Charles Williams

    No need be crude, twas merely quoting Scripture. God said it, not me. Or is your faith so fragile. Even Satan can quote scripture, you should be more discerning when playing around with the word of god. Show some respect and don’t just use bits and pieces to further your own agenda. May the lord of reason and light illuminate your way.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    No, again, your belief. I don`t think Jesus will judge me at all. I don`t think Jesus exists which is why I don`t even think like that. There is absolutely no point in this discussion, really. And the only person that can judge me is myself. I do know what I`ve done wrong and I was sorry if it hurt anybody or just because I thought it was wrong according to my coscience even if it didn`t hurt anybody. But I`ve done things that are against the Bible and I don`t regret them one bit cause I don`t think they`re bad.

  • landofaahs

    The DNA was not corrupted at that early point so brothers and sisters marrying then was not like it would be now. Nothing suggests anyone screwing their mother. But like a monkey that cannot reason, I can see how you messed that up.

  • Moment

    I’m not removing words from the book as you were implying .. therefor I smell it and it stinks

  • Anonymous

    The Word of God (1611 KJV) is infallible and without error. To contain error means that God makes errors and mistakes and therefore is not perfect and without sin. I want to see you spout your theory out in front of the judgment throne.

  • Anonymous

    Also don’t forget that before Darwin died, he recanted and changed his mind about what “links” his thoughts created.

  • Moment

    Do you think anything is bad and if so does that change if you get really made? Is that a defense? I killed him because I was mad and didn’t feel like it was wrong at the time.

    Are even if you don’t is okay for someone else to do such

  • Anonymous

    Please report to Bellevue for an emergency lobotomy. It will increase your mental capacity 100 per cent. From zero to one.

  • Moment

    I think you are taking that to far. I believe he just meant he made the earth and it needed plants, animals, humans, sun, stars, and so on

  • Anonymous

    He should be. Because you are damning yourself to an eternity of unimaginable horror and terror. You really, really need to reconsider.

  • Charles Williams

    Omission is the same as removal. Omitting the context is just as bad as removing words. But I can see that your heart is hardened, I will pray for you.

  • Moment

    Maybe you need to go back for round two

  • Moment

    What did I omit

  • Anonymous

    In the creation account one week is the same as the week we know today, for God taught us that on the seventh day he rested, and we are to follow his example. Six days you shall labor but on the seventh day, it is a day of rest unto the Lord your God.

    Although you are correct, one day is as a thousand years with God. And there are many examples throughout the bible how they intermix in the history of man.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    No, those are most essential rules to human society I would be crazy to change my mind about those and killing and stealing is bad and I could put a list of things that are bad. I don`t think sex before marriage is bad for instance and according to Bible it`s a sin. Yet I find cheating unacceptable. And just so we`re clear, I don`t change my morals according to mood, any of them and it was very rude of you to word the question the way you did.

  • Jesmlet

    I believe in science. I have faith in God. Therefore I believe in God. Faith is a belief in something without proof- complete trust in someone or something. Oh and by the way, I don’t believe I have a brain just because I’ve been told. I believe I have a brain because without it none of this would be happening. “I think, therefore I am”. Not quite sure what your point is. If you believe in God then you’re also putting your faith in the words of man because it’s man who told you He exists and you would never believe in Him if the Bible was never written.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, and randomly come together and multiply in the form of both male and female so that when the opposite of the species came together, they could propagate another being! Yup, they can’t explain that! Thanks for all the lovely science in the world, but I prefer to know that I was thoughtfully and lovingly created by the Maker of the Universe.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    I don¨t have a problem, maybe only in your head. You don¨t know me, I live a very calm life, no drugs or crazy parties, I have nothing major to be sorry about. The only problem I have right now is that I am wasting my time here while I should be writing an essay for school so this will be my goodbye.

  • Moment

    Now we are to the question who died and left you GOD ? Just because you belief it was rude doesn’t mean I do and doesn’t mean it is. Maybe it means you are weak and should be removed ..

    See what I’m saying — Morals , beliefs , can’t come from men because they are all different and they always change

  • Anonymous

    You are wrong. It is filled with creation, rebellion, sin, punishment, reconciliation, birth, life, death, burial, and resurrection for eternity. There is no distortion, error, or lies in the 1611 KJV of God’s Word. There is in the asv, nkvj, nasv, etc.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    I don`t think so. I think no such thing exists and therefore I have no need to reconsider.

  • Ryan D

    That basically sums up my beliefs as well.

  • Moment

    GOD Like .. Yes you are — Well good look with you essay

  • Jesmlet

    Not quite sure if you meant that comment for me or if you’ve just misinterpreted my comment. I’ve basically been railing against biblical literalism in this entire thread. I believe in what science tells us about the world and I fill the rest in with God. Maybe it’s because I’ve been raised that way, maybe it’s just visceral, but regardless of the reason, there’s no harm in a little faith, so long as it doesn’t prevent you from seeing logic and reasoning.

  • Moment

    you had me until the last sentence –

  • Moment

    The lord says the generation at the end would be HEADY, HIGH MINDED, BOASTERS, PROUD,

  • Kristýna Lovell

    As I don`t believe in Bible, what Bible says can hardly be a proof for me. Which is obvious, not sure what you people keep trying to prove. If I say I don`t believe in Bible I won`t all of a sudden start believing in it if you quote a part of it that says oh I am genuine.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    No, I have my morals, I was raised right so please don`t insult me. I just don`t need Bible and God to be a good person.

  • Moment

    Where did your morals come from

  • Jimbo913

    Like Captain America?

  • Moment

    LIKE

  • Kristýna Lovell

    Well then I can tell you that I take these morals out of the law system which is also true. It did however use Bible too so I was simply stating that I do share some of the morals. And I can accept and deny what I want really. Luckily I can think whatever I want

  • Anonymous

    If the history of humanity has shown us anything, men are inherently evil. In fact, God says, all men are hostile towards him. Now there’s an indicator that men do not understand the truth of the gospel, as described by the Word of God. He (God) says, the whole world is deceived, that deception, by the way, includes organized religion. It is our human potential to become very God ourselves, to expand life out into the never ending universe.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    Again, that big of a step would take MILLIONS of years. You are close-minded, there is no point in continuing this discussion.

  • Johnny

    Actually, they totally can. Chimps (and several other animal species, in fact) exhibit behavior that approximates a rudimentary form of morality. They recognize the difference between “us” and “them,” for one–i.e. they band together against attacks (even from other groups of chimps), they tend to loathe in-group theft and killing, etc.

    I have no idea if you’ve ever had a pet, but if you’ve had dogs, surely you have noticed that dogs “know” to feel bad when they do something you disapprove of, right? Ears and head go down, they kind of look at you pleading for forgiveness, etc. Even if it’s purely instinctual/learned behavior (as it is with humans), plenty of animals out there have sufficiently complex brain architecture to distinguish between right and wrong.

    Nevermind that the “we get our morals from the Bible” argument is utterly false too. Otherwise, feel free to tell everyone how many of your children you’ve had to stone to death (after rightfully accusing them of being profligates and drunkards) for being rebellious.

  • Moment

    Where did the law system get their values?

  • Kristýna Lovell

    Medieval ages, look at the history of entire Europe. And yes, it was Christians.

  • Simon

    If you claim that it’s random, then you simply don’t understand how evolution works.

    Random changes – tiny ones – happen all the time in each generation. If those changes are beneficial and help the descendant live longer, then they are permanently inherited. If they are not effective, they are lost and more changes happen. The changes themselves may be random, but they are not inherited randomly. They are inherited based on the core darwinist idea – only the strongest genes survive. An excellent, highly accurate and profoundly moving explanation of the process can be found in “The Selfish Gene” by Richard Dawkins.

  • Simon

    It came from its own parents. And they came from their parents. And so on. That’s how evolution works. We all started as unicellular life forms, and after millions of years, evolved into what we are now. Not just humans, but also cats, leopards, sharks, and even plants.

  • Moment

    That has nothing to do with adaptation — See you see one little change that all of us do to adapt and then you want to go out millions of years .. haha — don’t you see — you are making a million year jump on adaptation

  • Kristýna Lovell

    what the hell, I said from Bible in the previous comment, can you read?? They did not take all of them though as I don`t respect all of them also. And I am done with this, I don`t have all day to sit here, I actually have to get things done

  • Anonymous

    I made no reference to the Bible whatsoever. I said if our children aren’t focused on scientific understanding and discovery, the country will loose to global competition. Nye is right on. Teaching our kids that the universe is a few thousand years old is reprehensible and shameful if not criminal.

  • landofaahs

    You are wrong. They do not reason. Two hungry dogs fighting over the same food does not equate to moral behavior as to who’s food it is. They act like animals because they are animals. save your garbage for someone else.

  • Simon

    Deceived by what? Peer review and fact checking? Experiments with reproducible results? Critical thinking based on evidence? Come on.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    Will you stop? I answered this question about four times already if you would kindly scroll. You just want to argue and I don`t feel like it, thanks.

  • Moment

    so if that’s the case i should be able to take what I want from you if I’m able and if you can’t stop me to bad so sad. It’s a dog it dog world

  • Kristýna Lovell

    Great, I`m not like that so I am safe.

  • Simon

    Just because something can’t be seen with the naked eye doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Oxygen can be detected easily in laboratories. Brains can be seen too. Haven’t you ever dissected a brain in Biology classes?

  • Moment

    What got us here in the first place or how did we become the richest country ever ?

  • Simon

    Yes, my comment was not intended for you. Sorry about that.

  • Moment

    I say they were of the devil just like the pharisees

  • Blake Knight

    They’re in these really secret government facilities called “Museums”

  • Kristýna Lovell

    That`s why we have the law system which I respect and it does state what is wrong and what is right and guess what man created it. Therefore I am not worried.

  • Anonymous

    Well I don’t know if God made all the scientific discoveries in physics, chemistry and biology that fueled the industrial revolution, medicine and space travel, but if he did, I’m all for it. But if the Bible want’s us to believe things that are absolutely false, I have questions.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    Thanks

  • Moment

    So you get everything from GOD but then you deny him. We have gone full circle again. having a form of godliness but deny the power of the one who can save

  • Moment

    I want you to see yourself. You keep saying the same thing — as you like to say EVOLVE and as I say Adapt

  • Johnny

    If by “reason” you mean “possess problem-solving abilities,” you’re wrong on that too. You are 0 for 4, by my count, regarding your scientific understanding of the world around you. But, feel free to continue spewing your vomit; I have gotten pretty good at jumping over the puddles.

  • Moment

    Just like the climate scientist that were plugging in the wrong numbers — garbage in garbage out. once you start out in the wrong direction you end up worse off

  • Moment

    Those don’t go to heaven

  • Simon

    What? Cats never turned into dogs. All animals have a common ancestor. Do you not understand how evolution works? It isn’t an instant change. Look at the image I’ve attached. At what point does the red turn into orange? It isn’t instant. It’s gradual. That’s how evolution takes place. And cats didn’t turn into dogs, I don’t know where you got that from.

  • Moment

    No they came from GOD but man is changing them to their liken

  • Kristýna Lovell

    You should see yourself, you are attacking the wrong person. I have good morals my parents (also non-believers) raised me with they do not correspond with Bible 100% but I am a good person and you should realize that while you kept telling me how my heart is not right based on your belief, I have not once said it is nonsense. I never tried to convince you of my belief because everyone has free will but you won¨t stop trying to convince me and that is what bothers me! Everyone should have at least a little bit of tolerance and you don`t if you won`t accept I believe in something else by telling me how wrong it is.

  • Moment

    You Welcome

  • Anonymous

    We became the richest country ever for several reasons. We seized perfect land with abundant natural resources, we fought for freedom, we built a stable government, we developed the worlds top universities, we made amazing scientific discoveries, we innovated, we manufactured, we created markets.

  • Cwatts

    I didn’t have time to watch the debate, but hope to be able to catch it some weekend online or on DVD. I also caught a few minutes of Glenn’s show this morning on my way to work, and all I was able to hear was how stupid he thought it was, because “who really cares how old the earth is?” Well, Glenn, if you don’t care, obviously you don’t have to watch the debate. But for people who believe the Bible – ALL of the Bible – not just the bits and pieces they choose to believe and discard the rest – it is a very important question. If you truly want to believe God, and you believe He is truth – then I believe that you must accept — as John Whitcomb says, “The only book He ever wrote.” Sometimes this is hard to do. It is hard not to interject man’s own ego into the Bible and claim “it doesn’t make sense” or “we have proven that…” And the Bible tells us the Earth was created in seven days. Period.

    I believe, Glenn, that you are a Christian, and I would be happy to correspond with you if you really, truly desire to learn the thinking behind Ken Ham’s position. Or, just go visit with Ken. He would do a much better job than I could. And, he would welcome you and give you and your family a tour of the museum. I so hope to be able to visit someday.

    By the way, thank you for all you do – your show (& Facebook posts and links) are such a breath of fresh air in this current liberally poisoned American atmosphere.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    No, Bible to me was not written by God, therefore I don`t have my morals from God and that`s where it ends for me. Plus like I said I don`t respect all of the Bible morals anyways.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t refer to anything as random. Your own science does; each branch changing theories and contradicting another. No. Nothing random in Gods Universe.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    No, you are making no sense with this comment

  • Moment

    Lets say you were tying your shoes wrong. Would you get mad if I keep telling you? What if I said let me help you.

    See you are starting off good with your loop but here is where you are going wrong.

    See that’s all I’m doing. You got a good foundation – you just need to get the rest of the story

  • landofaahs

    Jewish tradition describes a day as from nightfall to nightfall. We cannot know how fast the earth rotated. It could be just at the same speed as now or slower or faster. The Bible does not say. So a day could have been more or less than 24 traditional hours of today. I personally believe that a day was the same then as now but I cannot prove it through scripture so when scripture is silent, I will be silent about it except for giving my opinion and belief or presumption. God is not bound by time but used the creation for our weeks and day of rest. So Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. It is good for humans to have the 1/7th rest at the proper intervals.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    You can say that but it destroyed the religion in my country. However not the morals so I guess we don`t need the Bible after all.

  • Moment

    pretty smart goat herders

  • Kristýna Lovell

    And you won`t stop insulting which makes me think you are an uneducated rude person.

  • Moment

    WHY NOT ? WHO ARE YOU TO SAY SUCH

  • Simon

    No, that would be ridiculous. Humans stopped doing that because we developed intelligence and a sense of community through evolution. Working together is the best way to survive. We have evolved to do that. It’s why we have things such as laws, houses, electricity, clean water and every commodity civilisation has brought to us.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    No I don`t need any rest of the story and you need to learn some tolerance. I don`t care you believe so would you stop trying to convince me? It is doing no good anyways.

  • Moment

    he didn’t spend 17 trillion dollar and start wars,

  • Moment

    All on the back of the lord

  • Simon

    Climate change is almost universally accepted amongst scientists. I believe the figure was 98%. Its severity is incredibly difficult to analyse, so mistakes will be made. You’re picking one tiny issue in a relatively tiny topic to discredit the entirety of science. Don’t be ridiculous.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    I don`t believe in heaven. I am still a good person but I don`t think that will matter after I die, I just like living this way.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    I don¨t agree with that and you have no proof I would accept to support that statement

  • Moment

    The only one who can take your belief is you. It’s a one on one relationship with the lord and many has died for him because they refuse to go along with the crowd.

    Stand up and big strong in the name of the lord

    and how good as you country doing?

  • Clint Slaven

    Why are we to believe the scientists? The same men and women that cannot prove or disprove global warming, that cannot cure cancer, diabetes or Alzheimer’s? These things they cannot do but we should trust them on a far more complex issue,on whether or not there is a God or how and when life began? If God doesn’t exist though I believe in him I have lost nothing and yet if he does exist then through my faith I have gained everything.

  • Simon

    We came from a common ancestor. It’s easy to understand if you don’t start jumping to conclusions. Picture it this way: it’s the same as parents having a brother and a sister. The siblings will be very similar in most ways, but they still have differences, despite coming from the same parents.

  • Moment

    Have you turned on the news lately? People kill people everyday all day and a lot of people in the world don’t have running water, electricity, and so on and the live just fine.

  • Cwatts

    Just because they called themselves Christians doesn’t mean they were. Maybe “Christian” as opposed to “Buddists” or other named religions. But, true Christians follow Christ and strive to become more Christ-like every day.

  • Moment

    I’m just saying .. how did goat herders write all of those words of wisdom

  • Moment

    that’s between you and GOD, you are commenting and so am I — that’s all

  • Simon

    Calm down. Typing in ALL CAPS RAGE doesn’t help anybody.

    It comes from science. Science, through experiments, evidence, critical fact-based thinking and constant analysis and skepticism allows us to understand how biology works. Cats do not come from dogs. They will have inevitably shared a common ancestor millions of years ago, but cats did not suddenly start giving birth to dogs.

  • Moment

    Then it most be right — haha — The lord said broad is the way many shall fall, narrow is the path few will find.

    They were smudging the numbers. pumping them up and got caught — garbage in garbage out

  • Moment

    then I would rock it out,

  • Simon

    You said that matter “randomly come together and multiply in the form of both male and female so that when the opposite of the species came together, they could propagate another being”. That is not how evolution works.

    Science is not random. Through experiments, fact-based critical thinking, peer reviews and necessary skepticism, facts are discovered. There is no such thing as contradicting scientific theories when there is enough proof. A scientific theory =/= everyday theory. If there is enough evidence for one theory to be considered correct, the other theory is discarded. It isn’t random.

  • Moment

    Throw out some laws and I probably can tell you which ones come from who – Man or JESUS

  • Anonymous

    This country strives to stay ahead of the world on military technology. Remember Reagan’s peace through strength? Are you saying we shouldn’t develop anti-missile technology? 17 trillion is the price for two unfunded wars, a greedy unregulated investment banking system taking huge risks, expensive health care, an aging population and people that want the cheapest stuff made in China.

  • landofaahs

    Problem solving has nothing to do with it. A coyote chasing a rabbit down a hole usually doesn’t just stop and run off, he tries to dig as an option to his problem. Reason is when we discuss things by the rightness or wrongness of things as we are doing now. Another part of having a soul and reasoning is by having a conscience (guilt) for the morality of what you are doing. You can as an individual kill that conscience by ignoring it though. Animals do not have a soul and that is the separation.

  • Moment

    Jesus discusses days, months, years, thousands of years. He is the creator or time

  • Moment

    no but they are all one — you a cat or a dog ?

  • Anonymous

    When is the last time a chimp launched another chimp into space. Or solved difficult mathematical equations, maybe create music, or perform heart or brain surgery.

    God is using mankind to recreate himself, the chimps never were offered such a high valued eternity. That is why it is written God created man in his image after his likeness. We humans look like God (at least in the flesh) but later we shall be like him, when reborn into his kingdom as spirit composed bodies of burning fire.

  • Moment

    Who is running this ?

  • Darren Wilkens

    The word “theory” use to be defined as an “educated” guess until scientists decided that it was much more than that.

    Reread the comment you replied to! Pay close attention to “man made”. Nothing man makes is flawless. There will ALWAYS be problems with anything that’s made.

    Were “scientists” there when the earth was made? Were they there when animals, plants and humans were formed? No! So all their theories are “educated” guesses, regardless of what man made instrument they used to come to their conclusions.

    Whereas, with the Bible, there are FACTS that have been discovered to back up events that have happened.

    People will ever know the real truth until after they’re dead!

    Until that time comes, I would rather believe in God and the Bible than to believe in a story that “scientists” try to push down our throats.

  • Blake Knight

    I love it how Christians blame the “Devil”. Every Christan since the founding
    of your religion by the Roman Emperor Constantine has blamed the “Devil”
    for any inconvenience that shows up what a crock of shit you believe in or any wrong doing that is committed by it’s followers. It’s pathetic…

    Here’s a video all Christians should watch. Your religion is a rip off of dozens of other pagan religions which worshiped the Sun. It is an organization designed to control humanity…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO32GAeY8Bg

  • Simon

    There’s many reasons for that: violent cultures, economic issues, anger, poverty, mental disease, corruption, income inequality, xenophobia, unrestrained capitalism. People are greedy, but we’re also intelligent. There are some bad apples, but the majority of humankind does not go around stabbing others – because we have evolved with “common sense” and a disposition towards cooperation. Our instincts aren’t infallible, of course. Like I said, some people will be overcome by problems. That is to be expected.

  • Moment

    The bible hasn’t changed .. We have the dead sea scrolls and we have copies of the new testament from the 2nd,3rd, and 4th century and they all say the same

  • Blake Knight

    Wow… you watched that in super speed!

  • Anonymous

    We aren’t, other animals are capable of guilt. Other animals, like wolves, that live in tight knit social groups have demonstrated knowledge of right and wrong.
    Orcas are actually more developed in terms of social bonding then we are.
    Magpies, Chimps, and Dophins have all showed strong signs of self-awareness in mirror test experiments.

  • Moment

    I say it’s getting worse not better

  • Moment

    I don’t have to watch-

  • Simon

    Your proof for the truth of the bible is that the bible says it’s true. Do you think that makes sense? Don’t just say “it’s god’s word.” There are thousands of gods that people have believed in over the years. Nobody believes in Zeus anymore, yet the proof of his existence (“he says he’s real so he must be!”) is just as solid as the proof of the existence of Jesus.

    And again, I’ll repeat what I said: You’re picking one tiny issue in a relatively tiny topic to discredit the entirety of science. Don’t be ridiculous.

    People will be greedy and warp the truth for their own motives. A TINY group of scientists did what you said, and they were motivated by economic greed. That doesn’t discredit the rest of science. Do you know why they were caught? Peer review. Fact-based critical thinking. Evidence. That’s how science works. When something is wrong, people correct it. All you’re doing is verifying that the scientific method of determining facts is, indeed, fully functional.

  • landofaahs

    Yes he does but Jesus, being God does not see time the way we do. if a thousand years is like a day as the Bible says, then time to him is not an imposition he must obey. He even stopped the world from rotating to give more daylight to defeat Israel’s enemies.

  • Tom Farrow

    No animal can think in the abstract. Time does not exist for an animal. They can not consider the past, apply it to the present, in order to improve or change the future. They can only learn from experience. In groups they can understand the concept of a “pack leader”, but never the concept of a Creator.

  • Simon

    They are not all one. Cats and dogs aren’t the same animal. What on Earth are you talking about? Cats and dogs shared a common ancestor millions of years ago, just like we did with other ape-like animals. It doesn’t mean that they’re still related. They’re extremely distant cousins. Do you look exactly the same as your third-removed distant cousins who were born on the other side of the planet? No. That’s why cats and dogs aren’t the same animals. The relationship is extremely distant.

  • Johnny

    I think you are hazy on the definitions of the terms you are loosely throwing out there in an attempt to paint yourself an intellectual.

    Either way, I welcome your evidence to the claims that 1. humans have souls, and 2. other animals do not.

    Also, you do realize that our “God-given” consciousness should result in approximately similar interpretations of morality, right? Instead, even among Christians, you will find a wide spectrum of opinion on what is “right” and “wrong.”

    Finally, you did not answer my earlier question. How many of your children have you stoned to death for the crime of rebelliousness, as decreed by God in Leviticus et al?

  • landofaahs

    But that does not prove we came from animal forms. Nor that we have common ancestors. God created humans and animals to live in the same world physical world and so he gave them many of the same attributes to survive in that world.

  • Simon

    It’s not getting worse. The world is more peaceful now than ever before in history. It may seem like it isn’t due to media focusing on the disasters (and to be fair, it is more interesting reading about a war than improved cancer treatment), but there is less conflict right now than ever before in modern history.

  • Anonymous

    What is the evidence for the supernatural answer suggested in your question? What if there’s a greater understanding that we may never know? Why not pursue an understanding of the natural cause? My guess is because the lack of an answer is too unsettling to contemplate.

  • Moment

    Once you put in the wrong numbers it wrong — you can’t keep holding on to a lie.

    Now the bible tells us we will burn up this time so it will be climate change but I believe that will be made by man and greed,war, and different things, but man and not corporations or cars,

    It’s governments around the world messing with mother nature – environmental warfare

    Why don’t you believe in Zeus

  • landofaahs

    You evidently don’t count then. LOL

  • Johnny

    Considering the past and applying it to the present in order to improve or change the future is precisely what “experience” is. If you smack your dog on the snout every time he poops on the carpet, he will “learn” not to do it in the future so as to avoid being smacked again. Likewise, if you give your dog a treat every time he puts his paw on your hand, he’ll “learn” to do it in the future so as to increase the rate at which he gets treats.

  • Moment

    and he told you did and if you will rad the scripture about the day like a thousand years it says ” Don’t think the lord is being slow about his coming but he is waiting on all to come to him, I day is like a thousand

    I say he was telling us all it would be a few thousands years before he comes back

  • Moment

    call JESUS 6000 years ago

  • Johnny

    Plus,

    1. Humans are animals too, contrary to what you believe.
    2. A few animals out there are at least as smart as (even smarter than) human children of various ages.

  • Moment

    More people has died in war over the last hundred of years then ever before. More people die around the world do to violence every year ..

    It’s getting worse — I don’t even know how many wars we are fighting right now

  • Simon

    We are animals. We came from animals. You can’t just look back 40,000 years and say “Aha, this is a HUMAN!” Evolution is slow and gradual. I put this image together very quickly to explain how it works. You can’t say at what point the red ends and the orange begins. It’s the same with evolution. You can’t say with absolute precision that ape-like animals became humans at any point in time. It’s a bit more abstract than that, out of necessity.

    I am not going to argue whether there is a god or not, because it’s almost impossible to change someone’s mind when it comes to religion. But please don’t claim that your god created humans and animals separately. Humans are animals. We evolved from a common ancestor, gradually, over millions of years. In ten thousand years we’ll look slightly different, because we’re evolving. It’s why there are different races – caucasian, hispanic, asian, and so on. We’re constantly evolving subtly, and after a long time, those differences become more pronounced. I hope that clarifies things. :-)

  • Simon

    You’re completely ignoring my points and just resorting to regurgitating religious propaganda. If you know you’re wrong, at least admit it, or try to refute my points using reproducible evidence and peer-reviewed factual studies.

  • Johnny

    I’m not talking about number of posts so much as understanding of concepts. So far you have been wrong on:

    1. The origin of humans.
    2. Your taking offense to the taxonomic classification of humans as “homo sapiens sapiens.”
    3. Animals’ ability to understand right and wrong.
    4. Animals’ ability to reason.

    The more you continue arguing, the longer that list will become. That much I can guarantee.

  • Anonymous

    Right – that also shows that darkness (night) was here before the light, but God did not originally create the earth in total darkness, he is a God of light, Satan on the other hand, is all about darkness – He and his demons were here long before we humans – that is also seen in the account of the forbidden fruit. Satan was already well versed in his craft of deception .

  • Simon

    More people died in the major wars because there are more people. The percentage of people, however, is lower. I’m not making this up. You can find it in any respectable history textbook: we are in one of the most peaceful moments of modern history, and no, it’s not getting worse.

  • Johnny

    We have conclusive evidence that we share common ancestry, in fact. Google “endogenous retroviruses.”

  • Moment

    i’m sorry we can’t kill them fast enough but that doesn’t mean we are not more violent

  • David M Kelley

    Easy check, if the earth was around for billion of years where are all the people? The population would be trillions.

  • Roseline Moniz

    I suggest to not bring up Darwin he asked for a Bible when he was dying.

  • Simon

    You’re picking one tiny issue in a relatively tiny topic to discredit the entirety of science. Don’t be ridiculous.

    You do realise that the bible you swear by has been written by several thousands of people over the same amount of time, and that is has been intentionally tampered with, mis-translated and contradicts itself constantly whilst offering no factual evidence of its truth?

  • Moment

    I guess after a while it just gets old. In many ways Beck is right because nothing you have been saying makes any sense to me.

    So we are what we call 180 degrees out on our beliefs. That probably means one of us is right.

    You say man is and I say Jesus is.

  • Moment

    We have the dead sea scrolls, and they have found the new testament from the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th century and they prove the bible to be right.

    These so called scientist just plan out lied

  • Johnny

    Indeed, Ken’s “Well, there’s this book…” tripe was far more compelling, wasn’t it?

  • landofaahs

    “Conciousness” means you are aware of your being. Conscience means what you perceive to have been right or wrong and having remorse or confidence in having done right. I think you are the one who is lose with the definitions sir.
    We do not all have the same “Conscience” because there are different levels of the Spirit’s presence and urging. We also let our baggage of experiences influence our minds by trying to justify as right the things that we are doing wrong. But you are right that Christians don’t all think alike. We are not like atheists. These things were given to show that man cannot be saved by his obedience to laws because he is a sinner and cannot atone for it. Jesus showed his mercy with the harlot who was going to be stoned as the law demands. Jesus correctly said “He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone”. He then forgave her and said ” Daughter, go and sin no more”. But if your point is that God was cruel back in the days of Leviticus I would disagree because God created life and all of our lives are his and only those who are changed at the end of the world are going to be dead. God was just in having his angels slaying the tens of thousands and was just in destroying all but 8 in the world at the time of the flood because he is God. Anymore questions? If you do then be prepared to condemn abortion.

  • Moment

    I believe all angels were made on day one. Jesus created everything in 6 days and they watched him lay the foundations of the earth so I believe they were here from the 1st day on

  • Rick Chesler

    Right now you are just an ape-like being pounding your chest in the jungle!

  • Simon

    Nothing makes sense to you because you just keep making things up and distorting what I’m saying. Evolution is explained very clearly in elementary biology textbooks. Evolution is a fact because it relies upon factual, peer-reviewed, reproducible, cross-checked evidence. Don’t shut yourself down just because you don’t understand it. There are many things that we will never understand. I didn’t used to understand how screens work, so I researched it and now I know. I suggest you do the same – not only for evolution, but for everything in life. Always rely on evidence, always investigate things. Celebrate curiosity, don’t dismiss it as senseless ideas.

  • landofaahs

    And you are pounding sand in the desert.

  • Johnny

    “Why teach one and not the other? Why not let kids hear both sides and let them decide for themselves which one they want to believe instead of brainwashing them?”

    Because there is no “both sides.” One is science, developed over centuries of careful examination of empirical evidence by way of testable, falsifiable, repeatable experimentation and discussion amongst peers, whereas is the other is “God did it.”

    Creationism and evolution are only comparable in the minds of the religiously deluded. In the eyes of the normal person, creationism is an intellectually barren morass of ignorance.

  • landofaahs

    You are correct but it does nothing for the debate of how long a day was.

  • Simon

    I’m telling you, we aren’t more violent. Every study proves that there is less violence now than ever before in recorded history.

  • landofaahs

    Your list of wrongs are even more numerous than that in my book but you should really be concerned about God’s list. His list counts. Not mine or yours and yours certainly makes no difference to me. You are just wrong.

  • Anonymous

    Mankind was created with intellect – animals were created with instinct. Can animals be taught right from wrong, or even be found having reason..absolutely. The bible say that all flesh is created to breath the breath of air to survive. The difference from animal to human is a spirit addition in the human. This spirit is intellect giving the human a much more advanced ability to make decisions as far as reason is concerned.

    Then, we are told by God, to prove him at his word. I have yet to see any animal read at the level required to understand the deep things of God. By your many words, it proves even men have a difficult time doing that. Men were placed on this planet to be reborn into another…a spiritual world where human flesh and blood no longer factor into the equation.

    We cannot obtain that world unless we receive an additional Spirit. Once that Spirit combines with our human spirit, for the first time do we really become a complete human. This second Spirit is essential to move to the next phase of our existence which is spiritual and lasts forever. No animal has been offered these gifts, but men alone have.

  • Johnny

    I believe the scientific term for this type of comment is “herp derp.”

  • landofaahs

    All the things you say I cannot prove I can throw right back into your face. And I do throw it back. In fact I will ask this question which I demand an answer or you cede the argument. what was the first thing to exist and how did it get here?

  • Moment

    It’s wrong because we found no evidence of time keeping until about 4000 years ago. Time is so important to our several. It should be thousands of examples of time keeping.

    Man would have had to know when animals would migrate, when to plant food, when to have babies, and so on to survive.

    If man has been here for hundred of thousands of years then it would be many examples of record keeping.

    The very thing you believe we need to exist is the Trojan horse that proves evolution wrong

  • Johnny

    Perhaps you would care to answer that question yourself based on your own expert knowledge of the universe.

  • Josh

    Or in your case, “I dunno.”

  • Simon

    If by “thing” you mean life, then it was individual cells – and yes, that is provable. If by “thing” you mean any object at all, then it isn’t known because science isn’t there yet. One day we might know, but it’s unlikely that the answer will be achieved in our lifetime. And no, just because we don’t have the answer right now doesn’t mean that religion is the answer. Years ago we didn’t know how electricity or tectonic plates worked – but that doesn’t mean they weren’t real or we would never find out. Science is a gradual process and it takes time to state things as facts, not because science is inefficient, but because science does not accept anything as a theory unless there is plenty of peer-reviewed, reproducible proof.

  • landofaahs

    Well I did ask you first but I will answer that question but first it shows you are afraid of your position, otherwise you would not hesitate to answer. So do you want me to answer first? Because I have some doubt you will ever answer it even if I do.

  • Simon

    Time keeping has existed for much longer than 4000 years. Hell, cave paintings can be found that are dozens of thousands of years old. Same goes for fossils, plant life, and using the speed of light to determine how far away stars are and consequently how much time it takes for their light to reach us (the age of the universe is, if I remember correctly, 16.7 billion years).

    In fact, the first calendar was created nearly ten thousand years ago, in 8000 BC. It was a Scottish lunar calendar.

  • Moment

    does it have a date on it ? and why have we only found one? You believe man has been here about 400 thousand years . we should have thousands of them

  • Anonymous

    Does Darwin’s THEORY of Evolution come to mind? is that the evidence that you say we should look at. Perhaps if you have a closer look, you might realize how ludicrous this “evidence” is. By definition a theory is an unproven supposition. If it was proven, it would be Darwin’s fact of evolution. We are all descended from a single pair of ancestors, Adam and Eve and I have most assuredly indoctrinated my children with this fact.

    There has never been a common ancestor found in the animal kingdom to support the evolutionist’s claims of man evolving from a lower class of animals. or higher class for that matter. We have been placed in the animal kingdom by scientists trying to disprove man’s unique creation by God by citing some common human and animal body features. They have sought to make us descendents of animals to disparage the belief in man’s responsibility in the original sin of Adam. If we come from animals, we can not be held responsible for doing what animals do. But if we are the unique creation of a righteous God, then we are morally responsible for our decisions that drive the things that we do.

    Scientist and evolutionists have failed place us in a unique class of our own ecause man is a classification in and of himself. It is not because of direct relationship or descent from animals. Animals do not have a soul, common language, or written history to pass from one generation to another to mention only three of our differences from animals. Animals also do not have a history of cross breeding such as man has put them though. In other words, “birds of a feather flock together” unless some man interferes. Likewise, God’s account of creation is true unless man interferes with this fact. Man has never been able to disprove creation by God. though he has spent generations trying.

  • Simon

    It’s just one example of one method of timekeeping. There’s thousands of examples – calendars, clocks, charts, and so on. Go and have a look on Google.

    Also, recording time in the past isn’t the be-all-end-all. I didn’t record what I had for lunch today, but it doesn’t mean I didn’t have lunch.

  • Johnny

    Except that no, considering I’m not the one whose argument is based on the blatantly asinine idea that humans had to have originated at the exact same time the earth did. Anyone who is even remotely familiar with grade-school science would know this.

  • Moment

    Yes it is. man would need it for survival. and nothing past 4000 year. If so show me a picture of one with a date on it

  • landofaahs

    “Thing” meaning anything that was the first thing be it matter or energy or “ANYTHING”. Well if you going to take the easy way out and say we don’t know now but we’ll have the answer sometime is either cowardice, dishonesty, or arrogance. By the way, “Peer review” anymore just means people whop think the same. It’s kind of like accreditation, it depends on who defines it and sets the standards.

  • Simon

    Why do you say man needs calendars for survival? You don’t need a calendar to know you’re hungry. Animals don’t need calendars to survive, do they?

    Here’s your footage for the oldest calendar found: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-23286928

  • landofaahs

    I am not an expert on the Universe, I just listen to the greatest expert and creator of it named God.

  • Anonymous

    I’m in the same thinking as you, 24hrs then, is 24hrs now, after all, God allotted six thousand years to be ruled by Satan and the last (or seventh Godly day – a sabbath) would be ruled by God. So to be fare – God couldn’t change it could he. Other than the time he lengthened a day for Israel to defeat her enemies.

  • Moment

    we would need to know when we need to get ready to migrate with animals for food, when to plant our crops, when to have kids so we didn’t in the middle of winter, when we would die or when we couldn’t produce anymore.

    Man needs to keep up with time

    Also I have seen that but it has no date. probably 4000 years ago

  • Johnny

    Well, the scientifically acceptable answer is “I don’t know,” which also happens to be the acceptable answer by the light of common sense. However, if the debate at hand is evolution, you’re asking the wrong questions anyway. Evolution is not a “creation story” so much as a description of the mechanisms by which organisms gain complexity over time.

    Asking an evolutionary biologist what the first life form was is akin to asking a physicist to describe the digestive system of a giraffe.

  • Johnny

    Your arguments say otherwise, as you claim to know with 100% certainty that you know more about the universe (based on your selective reading of a single book) than thousands upon thousands of people who have dedicated their entire lives to studying these materials and advancing our knowledge of the universe.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like Tabari has very low blood pressure and is in need of a quick fix.

  • Johnny

    Google “scientific theory” and then edit your post to reflect that you are acquainted with the meaning of the term.

  • Simon

    “Well if you going to take the easy way out”
    It’s not the easy way out, it’s not making things up on the spot.

    “cowardice”
    Again, making statements without proof is not bravery, it’s stupidity. Science would be nowhere if people just said whatever they wanted.

    “dishonesty”
    Nobody knows. Not me, not you, nobody.

    “arrogance”
    How is it arrogant to say that you don’t know?

    “By the way, “Peer review” anymore just means people whop think the same. It’s kind of like accreditation, it depends on who defines it and sets the standards.”
    PROOF is not based on personal opinion. Proof is based on evidence. Science relies on proof, which is why it works, and it’s why we have clothing, medicine, technology, food and so on. Science does not rely on people just thinking the same. Science relies on people criticising other peoples’ thoughts and coming to a conclusion by using evidence.

  • landofaahs

    Thousands of people who are really smart didn’t see the crash of 08 either. The history of man’s follies are countless. And of course you just presume I’ve never read any science books because after all in you cemented mind nobody could actually read what you have and not come to the same conclusions you have. There is a word for that too.

  • Anonymous

    Ham doesn’t understand much of anything and he’s supposed to be the voice who speaks with Gods authority, no wonder people are abandoning God and seeking out stupidity and calling it good.

  • Johnny

    While you do that, feel free to also Google “gravitational THEORY” and “germ THEORY of disease,” toward neither of which I presume you hold the same contempt that you do toward evolutionary theory.

    I await your excuses and deflections.

  • Simon

    You don’t need a calendar to manage your life. You have SENSES for that. if you feel cold, you go and find warmth. If you feel hungry, you hunt for food (or grab something from the fridge). Also, again, animals don’t need calendars to survive.

    It’s 10000 years old, not 4000. The Mesopotamians have many calendars that can be seen in many museums across the world, and they are also older than 4000 years.

    if you’re looking for a date resembling ours – ie, 06/02/2014, then you won’t find one because we adopted a different calendar within the last millenium. Until then, time was measured and recorded using a different system.

  • Blake Knight

    But where did i say the bible had “changed?” You haven’t even viewed the video to form an opinion on it’s contents. You are assuming that because i mentioned that it was Constantine who first brought Christianity into the public lexicon that i am talking exclusively about Roman Catholicism.

    As i say, watch the video. It’s less than 40 minutes long. It shows how the story of Christ is re-hash of dozens of earlier pagan religions that take their basis from Astrology and Astronomy.

  • landofaahs

    It does have something to do with it if creation is true. That should be obvious even if you don’t believe in creationism.
    My answer to the question is that God is eternal just like many scientists claim about matter. Yes eternal is something we cannot wrap our heads around if it is God or pieces of matter. Both require the same thing for belief and that is faith. You and others think that you will some day have scientists who will come up with the answer over time. I guess we can see the bias of evolution even in that belief. But I think you will all have the answer some day too but sadly I think it will be too late to realize that there is a God and he’s not you.

  • Moment

    You would start off that way but it wouldn’t take long to start saying we need to keep up with time better. It wouldn’t have taken 396,000 years to start keeping up with it.

    Again show me a calendar over 4000 years old with date on it

  • Moment

    The old testament spoke of his coming from genesis chapter 3. So you are wrong

  • Anonymous

    The earth was here millions of years before God created mankind upon the planet. That is biblical revelation and 99.9% of all professing Christians just simply do not understand – nor apparently, are they willing to prove it to themselves. Then their arguments make them look foolish further separating the two ideas of how life on planet earth began. Mankind though, has only been on the planet for slightly under six-thousand-years

  • Simon

    “You would start off that way but it wouldn’t take long to start saying we need to keep up with time better.”

    There was no need to keep a record of time until we created civilisations, so yes, it did take a long time.

    “It wouldn’t have taken 396,000 years to start keeping up with it.”

    I don’t know where you got 396 or 400 thousand from. Humans haven’t existed that long. We were still apes back then.

    “Again show me a calendar over 4000 years old with date on it”

    Go to a museum and ask them to show you ancient mesopotamian calendars, or just Google it yourself.

  • landofaahs

    “Based on Proof”? You mean like emails containing admittance to the padding the numbers by “scientists” concerning “Global Warming” Or is it “Climate change”. or is it “Social change”.

  • Jess

    Please learn the difference between micro and macro evolution and don’t use them interchangeably as you are doing in the above post. Yes, a “kind” can change if the information is already in its DNA, but new information can NOT be added to its’ DNA to change it into a different “kind.”

  • Simon

    I’m sorry but if you’re going to dismiss the entirety of science just because of one tiny group of people being bribed by politicians then there’s no point in debating with you. Science is real. You can do all sorts of experiments to prove almost anything, and a lot of them can be done in your own house. For example, you can build your own electromagnet by conducting electricity through a magnet. Science doesn’t lie. It’s the reason we have every man-made object we know of: computers, clothing, heating, plastic, paper, and so on.

  • Anonymous

    You’re being sarcastic, right? That is the essence of the argument (the “first cause”). Ultimately, evolutionists believe that there was a “timeless” state. In that way, they try to avoid the “first cause” problem. But all one has to do is to ask, Where did the “timeless state” come from? Simply put, how do you get something from nothing? You can’t. So creationists believe that “something” (i.e., God) has always existed.

  • Simon

    New information can be added. That’s how evolution works. We didn’t evolve from unicellular organisms into human beings without adding new information.

  • Loggy

    “In many ways Beck is right because nothing you have been saying makes any sense to me”
    The fact that I do not understand The Quantum Enigma has no bearing on it’s veracity.
    Try to get this: evolution is a ‘theory’, creationism at best is a hypothesis.

  • Anonymous

    So what you have clearly admitted then, is you have no idea who God is, or what he is doing with mankind, nor does it sound like you’ve ever read a word of scripture.

  • Moment

    They say man has been here for 400,000 years .. they even draw what they looked like and they looked like us.

    maybe you need to study your own point of view

    The oldest known human DNA found yet reveals human evolution was even more confusing than thought, researchers say.

    The DNA, which dates back some 400,000 years, may belong to an unknown human ancestor, say scientists.

    You can read that at Live Science

    When they came down from where the ark rested they started to farm and multiply, started building tower of babel, GOD confused their language and sent them out. That’s when the moved into Mesopotamian, on over into Asia, and down to Egypt, This is where and why we have so many flood stories because their grandpa lived it.

  • Moment

    Jesus says he will send down strong delusion on those who refuse to love him .. maybe you got a dose of it

  • Loggy
  • Moment

    Follow Turkey back in time and see how far you get.

  • Jess

    BTW… Obviously we are not going to change your mind on this posting board. And most of us are too well informed for you to change our minds, but please quite calling EVOLUTION a fact. It is widely agreed that it is just a theory. Granted a lot of people think it is the correct theory, but it is a theory non the less.

  • Loggy

    You cannot “choose” truth. Sheesh.

  • Loggy

    100% = from zero to one.
    I hope you aren’t an accountant!

  • Loggy

    If there is always a few bad apples in every bunch of humans then the fact we are ballooning out towards 10 billion should increase the bad stuff too yes? No?
    Oh and watching Faux news and Glenn Beck will only reinforce those ideas you have. Information changes you, you should adapt some defenses lest you become lost in other people’s dogma.

  • Loggy

    Correct, more so every decade.

  • landofaahs

    I don’t dismiss science but scientists. There is a lot of pressure for grant money and to say that it does not have influence on scientists is laughable. If science is based on facts we must also admit that the interpretation of those facts is questionable. It’s kind of like that old joke about the U.S. and the old Soviet Union going head to head in a sporting event. America won the game but the Soviets could not tell their people they lost so they just said “The Soviet Union takes second place and America came in second to last”. It’s a true statement but very misleading. I cannot help but question scientists because you cannot prove That God does not exist yet many scientists dismiss it out of hand and say there is no proof. If you start out with the premise, it is difficult to believe that human nature won’t dismiss anything that does not support your belief system. Is there good science? Yes. Just don’t give me the blanket statement that it is science and therefore we should automatically trust the source. Now you may be an honest scientist, I don’t know, but I do know you have made up your mind about creationism but at the same time you claim to be open minded. Those two statements are not compatible.

  • Loggy

    “and each produced after their own kind”
    But man created dogs from wolves right? Right? How did man change them so?
    Was it that god liked our idea and went along with it or was it actually a form of selective pressure, albeit just a tiny, tiny bit less natural and quicker than pure Natural Selection?

  • Johnny

    Which is a convenient way to circumvent the “first cause” problem all the same. There is no evidence for this being; he has merely been assumed to exist and defined as “timeless.”

  • Loggy

    Don’t believe belief. Your own dying may be postponed somewhat as a result.

  • Jess

    Considering that is not at all true, it won’t change my thoughts one bit. You need to do a bit more homework.

  • Johnny

    Your arguments and beliefs prove on their own that you don’t read “science books.”

  • Loggy

    That’s fine until one of our theologies has strong influence over the way our society is organised.

  • Loggy

    There is only one bible as you know. It’s just that it’s well overdue for an update.

  • Neuroguy

    I sit on both sides of the argument here and I don’t wish to spark retribution from either debate.

    l have a personal belief God works with a pure knowledge of science. Unlike we humans, that kind of knowledge is not limited by what our minds can comprehend.

    During my many years in earning a Zoology based PhD, I have come to marvel about one interesting aspect of our “sciences”; we have taken science to be “fact” and “proof”…that is until we disprove those “facts” and “proofs”. It wasn’t that many years ago we “factually” knew the earth was flat.

    One silly aspect of genetic arguments: We have largely decoded the entire genome for organic life on this planet. We have found that most organic life shares genes with each other. Yet we do not accept the ideas that because I have a similar DNA strand as the oak tree, I must have evolved from such.

    The creationism stand is that we were created from matter unorganized and then organized by a higher power. The evolutionist stance is there was a gathering of matter which then compacted until the mass spontaneously spread (BANG) and then all matter from the ball of mass moved to its appropriate location based on its own density based on gravitational fields. Really we contend the same truths. We just choose to differ about which “power” derived this event.

    Don’t get too caught on scientific “evidences”…they will change again soon!

  • Johnny

    Evolution cannot be “biased,” as it is not a person. Furthermore, you need to take into account that science is not, in principle, opposed to the existence of some sort of God. What it IS opposed to is making untestable and unfalsifiable claims that cannot be verified via experiment and evidence, something that religion is exceptionally and uniquely good at.

    Provide some actual evidence that God exists, and science will necessarily have to incorporate this evidence into its current models and theories of the universe.

  • Loggy

    “killing is bad, stealing is bad”
    Such a shame that folk cannot see these ideals arising naturally in our “small group” species, that these things have evolved in us.
    So sad to me that they are blinded to the majesty and awe of this eventuality.
    Nobody really understands Deep Time so some have to make up allegories to reconcile this, a natural reaction to bewilderment I suggest.
    But then along comes a nation state and says “I can use this religion to help me maintain power”. Perfectly natural of course :)

  • Jess

    Again, WRONG. This is a case of Someone told you that. There is no way you did the research for this or you would know it is a lie. I was once told this when I was young and believed it. When I became and adult I decided to read the Bible for myself and do the research myself. I was amazed at how symbiotic all the books were to each other even though most of them were written by different people. How they never once contradicted each other.How we have the texts in the original languages from so close to the original times. And all of the outside corresponding historical texts we have. I was agnostic before. I was a Christian by the time I finished.

  • Loggy

    What if goodness was around before the bible? Would that be a copyright breach on behalf of the authors? Tricky case as there were so many different authors yes?

  • Loggy

    Aside from divine intervention do you mean? Maybe while on mushrooms or wine?

  • Anonymous

    Please spare me this. When a whale or a magpie can write poetry exploring it’s inner self, get back to me. Don’t give me this a pig is a dog is a man crap.

  • Loggy

    Is it really your belief in a supernatural being that prevents you from those things? Why is it I have no compulsion to do those things? And why only “big” orgies lol. I hope you don’t ponder that stuff too much.

  • Robert Price

    You don’t understand Evolution. It does not claim man is “Descended from apes”. This is why it needs to be taught in school, because people do not understand it.

  • Loggy

    Dude, adapt and evolve are the same thing. Check yourself.

  • Loggy

    Better for her to learn from her mistakes and end up being an excellent lace-tier. Her species will eventually benefit.

  • Anonymous

    I stand by my original statement. Darwin’s theory of evolution has never been “scientifically” proven. If it has then where is the “scientific” evidence that it is the dividing point. The so called “missing link” is just that, missing. But if we find it posted on the internet, it must be true. See, no excuses or deflections.

  • Loggy

    Funny old god, it creates us all (and continuously it seems) and then only takes on the ones who get it right. This ‘test’ reminds me of something else being debated here.

  • Loggy

    Yep, simple and eminently digestible.

  • Waclaw Jerzy Borken-Hagen

    “peer-reviewed, reproducible proof.”
    In all fairness we know how this can be manipulated.
    Global warming is a classic slap in a face of “science”.

  • Jess

    100% used to believe the world was flat.

  • Loggy

    “No matter what Biil Nye says” oops, showing your spots there Moment.
    If there is a god that created everything I can only imagine it is dissapointed with closed-mindedness, which strikes me as weird as it would have created that too right? Paradoxical.
    Oh and BTW type Ia supernovae can take you further if you are not afraid to discover new truths, you know, with your created brain.

  • Loggy

    Wow! Epic lolz.

  • Loggy

    As long as you are sure….

  • Loggy

    Things.

  • Waclaw Jerzy Borken-Hagen

    Thank you. Your post brings some sobriety to this discussion.
    Many honest researchers humbly come to similar conclusion.

  • Loggy

    Some believers in god seem to think it has made mistakes as they seek to correct them. Sounds like what theologians call blasphemy.

  • Loggy

    Says, not proves.
    I say you are wrong but I offer no proof, very slack of me no?

  • Loggy

    This god would now you just cussed despite your ##’s

  • Loggy

    Try to know when you are out of your league

  • Loggy

    Weird, just so weird. What a vicious waste of a created lifeform. So petty.

  • Loggy

    Yeah, such a modern phenomenon.

  • Kay

    “if the earth really was to have been flooded for 40 days and 40 nights as the Bible says, how could the plant life survived?”

    Obviously any current plants would be destroyed, thus forming coal, etc… but I don’t think all seed would be destroyed. The bigger question is how did plants evolve from rain pounding on rocks in the first place?

  • Loggy

    Tuna do what they do because their species requires it for it’s survival, it evolved that behaviour, very, very, very gradually.

    I wonder what we are responding to when we sense a ‘significant other’ presence, it couldn’t just be our species directing us to do what has worked in the past (conservatism) and a few different things (liberalism) to avoid stagnation, could it? Surely not, such a process would need much longer than circa 6k years.

  • Waclaw Jerzy Borken-Hagen

    Science like many points of view is not absolute and is
    subject to continuous scrutiny and verification. Some
    conclusions turn out to be temporary because at times they are impossible to verify because of our state of knowledge.
    People in Cern Switzerland are on the cutting edge of
    particle science research. They could tell us all about
    this aspect which reaches beyond questionable ethics.

  • Loggy

    “Some more than others”
    Did Jesus say that? I thought he would leave the flock (you) to go and rescue a single lamb (the unbelievers).

  • Loggy

    This is in the bible? Or are you a scientist?

  • Loggy

    Prove they don’t.

    Then prove we do.

  • Loggy

    These spirits and gods are so very choosy and almost elitist, or am I just picking that up from religions?
    If it was up to me I would see all people as equal. All of us both smart and stupid, good and bad. Much more accurate assessment I reckon.

  • Loggy

    The folk from Gobekli Tepe would like to contribute too…

  • Loggy

    Reference?

  • Victor

    Umm People die and it’s only until recently that our life span has increased due to modern medicine.

  • David M Kelley

    gee that explains everything. Except it doesn’t have any answers. Nice scientific explanation. now I understand where you come from and can see that you came from the monkeys. Thanks for ……………………….nothing

  • Simon

    Science is true. Yes, politicians may bribe scientists now and again, but only a tiny group of scientists have ever succumbed to that. Most scientists are honest people who openly denounce lobbyists trying to tell them what they can and can’t research or publish.

    Regardless of that, the God of the Gaps tactic is ignorant and ridiculous. We know what the origins of organised religion are. We know that there are hundreds of ancient gods who share more or less the exact same story as Jesus/Yahweh, barring details. Religion is a platform for evil, built upon empty promises and oppression of minorities, and we must never think that it approaches the rigor and accuracy that science continues to provide. The fact that these debates are taking place means that creationism is finally starting to be eradicated, but it seems that most people in the American right wing seem to prefer believing in fairy tales, dismissing evidence and facts. Being open minded does NOT mean being open minded to lies and religious propaganda. It means being open minded to new points of view that have a provable merit to them, ie gay rights or gender equality – not a baseless school of thought like creationism.

  • Victor

    I respect Glenn Beck but he like so many others forget that Scientists do get it wrong sometimes, but they learn and make new discoveries as time goes on. Creationists never change their mind.

  • Simon

    You just proved what I was saying. Human ANCESTOR. Not a human. They evolved into what we are today, remember?

    And stop it with the bloody scripture. I’m trying to have a conversation with a person, not a talking bible. You completely ignored the fact that there are mesopotamian calendars older than 4000 years, but then again, I didn’t expect an intelligent argument anyway. I’m out of here. Believe what you want to believe.

    And then you all wonder why we laugh at your country. Americans are considered to be spectacularly ignorant and all around stupid everywhere else in the world. You’re part of the reason for the existence of that stereotype. Have a good day.

  • ManyCalledFewChosen

    I agree with much of what you said. The problem is, much of what Ken says is not Biblical fact and there lies the problem when debating scientist.
    One very clear example is any Christian trying to suggest that all races came from Adam and Eve. This statement is completely false and not Biblical.
    Open your bible and start reading the very first page in Genesis. All of the races were created on the 6th day. God rested and on the 7th day Adam was created. You can’t even try and confuse this fact, it’s absolutely clear. Yet Christians will spout nonsense about Adam, Eve and the races like Ken did.
    Another example is the 6 day creation. 2nd Peter 3:8 documents that one day with God is as a thousand years. So the 6 day creation could have been and was most likely 6,000 years in the making not 6 literal days that many Christians try to claim and argue.
    Ken and his colleagues really need to brush up on their biblical knowledge before they do these kind of debates.

  • ManyCalledFewChosen

    The other thing to keep in mind is that there was only one original Bible written on Hebrew Manuscripts that has never changed. There have been numerous translations of the original Hebrew Manuscripts but not numerous changing Bibles as they try and suggest.
    Anytime a student wants to check out the translation you can easily take it back to the original Hebrew Bible so there is no confusion.

  • ManyCalledFewChosen

    You’re correct, but what your quoting is a one time event that happens at the return of Christ. At the time of creation it was a 6 day process or 6,000 year process if you read 2nd Peter 3:8.

  • Daren Dabrowski

    I am amazed at the certainty of both sides (both evolution and intelligent design) for arguments based essentially on faith. True science is repeatable, based on an experimental process. Seems to me faith fills in a lot of blanks in what currently passes for science.

  • ManyCalledFewChosen

    The truth is the flood was not world wide nor did it destroy everything in the entire earth. The great destruction that destroyed everything happened during the battle and fall of Satan. Biblically that destruction was thousands of years before Noah’s flood. The flood of Noah could not have destroyed everything on the entire earth or dove sent out by Noah could never have returned with an “Olive Leaf” in it’s mouth as Genesis 8:11 documents.
    It takes an olive tree 4 to 10 years to mature and develop a leaf.
    Mr. Ham needs to study a little harder and deeper before he confuses people further.

  • http://punditfight.com/ American Pundit Fighting

    Reading the comments… ummm wasn’t the whole point of this to “agree to disagree”?

  • Llewellyn Andrew

    No Glen, evolutionists are agressive and will never take no for answer as wrong as they are.

  • Llewellyn Andrew

    No, the whole earth was covered. i have seen evidence in South Africa, parts of our main desert once having been a sea. clearly not meant to be. Lots of fossil deposits of sea creatures.

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  • Brian Woodcock

    This kind of stuff always makes me laugh…….evolutionist always say its à gradual process yet they cant find actual physical proof anywhere……..the layers of the earth all have both complex and simple forms of life…….there are NO intermediate fossils…..ie……a bird with gills etc…..evolution is nothing more than man trying to remove God from the equation therefore removing any accountablility for his failures………thats what Darwins whole premise was…..to come up with a origin that removed God!

  • Brian Woodcock

    still waiting for this scientific proof!

  • http://suzeraining.wordpress.com/ suz

    great vradio.

  • Moment

    It talks of past, present, and future, dinosaurs, aliens, planets, coming new world, future wars — I would say the bible has it all including a love story for anyone who believes and ask Jesus into their heart.

    It really is the GOOD BOOK

  • Moment

    So a bunch of sheep herders set out to control you? Then on top of that the bible says most will not ever believe .. SO much for control

  • Moment

    What is you thought on that?

  • Moment

    The next time you do either write a book .. we will see how good you do

  • Moment

    we all have a monkey on our back — I just call him at face value – Satan

  • Moment

    Not how evolutionist want to use it — It’s a big difference

  • Moment

    why don’t we teach the children what we know so they can be ahead of the game

  • Jon Belec

    I think the debate is much more than an argument over how old the earth is. It is an opportunity to defend the existence of God, which is why the left argued against providing the opportunity. The most interesting portion to me was at 59:20 when Ham illustrates what happens if there is no God, if human existence consisted only of elites to herd the masses and organize society. THAT is the essence of much of 19th century philosophy, the brainchild behind progressivism and statism.
    I think the debate was interesting and I enjoyed hearing evidence produced by both sides. I’d love to hear one on global warming.

  • Moment

    AMEN

  • Moment

    Who said I will place myself above the most high ????? Satan Himself

  • Moment

    Jesus knows everything including your heart — I’ll just repent and be good — The question is what will you do?

  • Moment

    Probably just ” Heavenly ” above yours

  • Moment

    Read almost any article today and it tells you how entitle kids believe they are — we are living in those times

  • Moment

    You’re either walking toward good or evil- It’s just that simple

  • Moment

    I’m communicating with all. Not closed minded — I see the light

  • Moment

    Can I find time keeping around you? hahahahahahahahahahaha

  • Moment

    then get right — all you have to do is ask Jesus into your heart ask him to be your lord and savior and repent your sins ..

    It’s that easy

  • Moment

    It teaches it doesn’t know but constantly tells you it does

  • Moment

    The bible says he sits above the circle of the earth — making it ROUND

  • landofaahs

    You say science and of course you by default only follow evidence. Then prove God does not exist. If you cannot prove he does not exist, then you must keep an open mind to it’s possibility or you have violated the standard you claim to possess. You have then closed your mind to a possibility without proof. So much for your scientific mind.

  • landofaahs

    Biblical evidence of course. By the way what was the dating system they used such as 1929AD?

  • landofaahs

    Not Gods but three person in one God. And yes he is elitist because he is perfect unlike you or I. He’s also all knowing. I know that angers arrogant people like you who attempt to elevate themselves above others. God sees people “equally” sinful but as a matter of preserving humanity he sometimes had to clean out the part that was just not redeemable. But he can do that even though you think otherwise. It’s obvious you think yourself better than God because if he exists then he does not do things the way you would like. That is not seeing people as equal, that is seeing them all equal but under you. Read your posts and it will be obvious if you look at it “scientifically”.

  • landofaahs

    Prove they do. I already have proved we humans do because we are doing it right now. Or are you still living in Plato’s cave?

  • landofaahs

    It is taught in school you fool. I don’t agree with it and therefore I don’t understand it in your mind. It is the typical arrogance of you leftwing trolls.

  • landofaahs

    But scientists can. You cannot prove God but it is common sense that when you see order that it was created by something or someone of intelligence and that it did not just pop into existence on it’s own. You have no proof for your theories because theories are merely opinions based on what could be possible or even probably but not definite.

  • landofaahs

    Your lack of Biblical knowledge shows that even if you can read you don’t understand what you read. But I know the truth and in the end you’ll know it too. You have been told and you are without excuse.

  • landofaahs

    Some things can cross-breed but it did not need man to do so. A mule is the hybrid between a male ass and a mare. Dogs cross with coyotes all on there own. God allows man to create his own folly and demise as long as it fits into his plans. When it does not he intervenes in the affairs of man. But look at the tone of your post and it’s clear to see that your type think yourselves God and like your daddy Satan you try to take over. Well, it ainta gonna happen. Over time(evolution) you will find out.

  • Lynn Redden

    The only thing Evilution ever bred was Apethiests!

  • landofaahs

    Man has not evolved. He still murders and attempts to enslave other people using force of government. They are still socialists like Mao, Hitler and Stalin who murdered those that disagree with them by the millions. Even people in the church who did not follow Jesus’ precepts persecuted those who held different beliefs. Evolutionists today want to force religious points of view out of the public square. Evolutionists have not evolved but are the same flawed men as everyone else on the planet. Don’t think too highly of yourself and get some humility. I have enough humility to know that someone is higher than me and his name is God.

  • http://www.imsickofthecrap.com Red_SC

    Where is the fossil record for this common ancestor? It seems to me that Darwin’s notion of minuscule, gradual change may not be the whole answer. There appear to be more sudden and dramatic changes in evolution that take place at irregular intervals. Rather than dig its scientific heels in the dirt, maybe evolutionists should consider this possibility and hypothesize on its causes.

  • ZEROGON

    That is precisely what I’ve been saying all along. First God created the angels. They were alive when the foundations of the earth were laid. One third of their total amount were placed here on earth,as a test from God, to determine if these angelic creatures would forever obey the laws of God. If they didn’t, then God would have the answer to the question that had never presented itself before. That answer came abruptly, in the form of an angelic rebellion against God.

    These angels do not, at least not in very many instances, look like humans. With wings and faces of human and animals etc. they are very different. God realized that the angels could not perform the task he created them to do, which was, to fill the universe and populate it, a universe which they had witnessed with their own eyes be made.

    The rebellion caused the earth to “become” destroyed. God now fully understood what the angelic rebellion meant.

    It meant, that in order for God to fill the universe and populate it with beings, they would have to be God-beings, and…he would use men to re-create himself, that’s why, unlike the angels, we humans look like him. It is our cause that we be born of God as his very sons and finally do what the angels were unable to do.

    “For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God; for the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but by the will of him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and obtain the glorious liberty of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning in travail, together until now; and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we await the adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.” – Romans 8:19-23

    In the opening verses of the gospel record of John, he describes the earliest account that God gives of himself. It discusses God and the Word and how they have always been together. Later, the Word became flesh and dwelt among men. Johns account is the earliest of prerecorded-history.
    God, one might say – has “creation” as a profession , in other words, the God-head is in the business of creating things, and what they were about to create was awesome beyond human imagination. To aid them in their work of creating, they needed aids to help manage and maintain what was created. Angels were created as servants of the living God.

    Next, came the angels in the sequence of their creation (not the universe, as these creatures were in a state of awe when they witnessed the creation of the universe first-hand themselves Job 38: 1-7 especially verse 7) notice that these angels had a long history of helping God and long before men were created.

    We must remember that God has always sat on the throne over all that is – or – all that will ever be.

    In the 25th chpt. of Exodus, we find an earthly description of the very throne of God in heaven, its in the description of the Ark built by Moses under Gods instruction. On either side of the throne was a description of a super archangel, a Cherub, who’s wings stretched out covering Gods throne, this signifies that these angels were involved in helping to administer Gods government over all of God’s creation the physical universe..including earth .

    Now look at what is described in the book of Hebrews, first chpt…

    “He (Jesus)…stamped with Gods own character, sustains the universe by the word of his power…and thus, he is superior to angels, as he has inherited a name superior to theirs. For to what angel did God ever say, ‘Thou art my son, today I have become thy father’? – or again – ‘I will be a father to him and he shall be a son to me’? – and further on we read (when introducing the first born human into the world) God says, “Let all the angles worship him” When he says this about the angels…”Who turns his angels into winds [spirits] his servants into flames of fire” God says this about his Son, “God is thy throne forever and ever, thy royal scepter is a scepter of equity: thou has loved justice and hated lawlessness, therefor God, thy God, has consecrated thee with the oil of rejoicing beyond thy comrades” …and thou didst found the earth from the beginning…”

    “To what angel did he ever say, “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool under your feet”? Are not all angels merely spirits in the divine service, commissioned for the benefit of those who are to inherit salvation”? (verses 3-10, and 13-14)

    Humans were created a little lower than the angels, but we have a much greater potential than they

    There are vast amounts of biblical information teaching this truth – again, God is using mankind to reproduce himself because the angels are unable to perform the job of entering into the universe and remaining righteously perfect forever. The sons of God can and will.

  • Charles M. Rodriguez

    No you are right… lol.

  • Landree

    Wow, 95 likes on Landofaahs’ post. That’s a scary indication of Beck’s audience. Ham’s kind of utter nonsense is unfair and dangerous to our children’s minds and our country’s global competitiveness because religious indoctrination blocks objective scientific creativity that is the seed of American achievement. If the Bible was everyone’s end-all answer, achievements like mapping the human genome and space exploration would not occur. Religious extremists be thankful for those that aren’t paralyzed by indoctrination because they’re the scientific pioneers that improve your quality of life.

  • markdeanda

    Hey Johnny, I’ve read the “single book” you refer to, but I’ve also read many books on biology, as I have a bachelors degree in biology and a minor in chemistry, and am also a doctor. The “single book” you refer to is the correct book. Period.

  • MikkiDean

    Fair Enough. I will wait here silently while you and Bill Nye scientifically change a rock into a living animal. No hurry. I have plenty of time.

  • Christine Briedwell

    Our family enjoyed the debate very much. It wasn’t a waste of time. What one believes about Genesis has profound importance on our children and next generations. Creationism should not be censored. It is a viable science model. PLEASE, PLEASE I hope you will have Ken Ham on and ask him why he thought it was important to have this debate. Many, many thousands of your loyal listeners, like our family, would really enjoy a show with Ken Ham as a guest.

  • Dano Wright

    There is yet to be seen any empirical evidence of any kind that “proves” the THEORY of evolution. Only a supposition on the part of a man who later in life denounced his own theory. And a lot of “made up” drawings in books that have no basis in “touchable, testable, evidence” .

  • TedLogan

    I don’t think you understand what the phrase “viable science model” means… Creationism is in no way, shape or form considered to be scientifically based

  • TedLogan

    there is no such thing as an “evolutionist.” That is just a term that people who let religion control their minds came up with to try and bring science down to the level to the level of faith. Science isn’t about faith or belief, its about testing theories and predicting results. There is nothing “ist” about it.

  • TedLogan

    Even if that was the case, just because one man turned to religion on his death bed, it doesn’t discredit the theory. Science requires a theory be tested and predicatble results. Evolution has been tested for the last 150 years… just because one guy asked for a Bible means zilch.

  • TedLogan

    Yes that would be the case if human life was around for a billion years… But in the 4.6 billion year existence of the planet, humans have only been here for a tiny fraction of it.

  • TedLogan

    Three things.. 1) there is no god, 2) The earth existed for billions of years before humans. 3) Humans have been around for at least several hundred thousand years

  • TedLogan

    You do realize that if you are a “christian” denomination other than catholic, you don’t really follow the bible…

  • TedLogan

    FYI -if you aren’t catholc, you don’t follow the bible in whole either. Matthew 16:18-19 “I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. 19″I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven”

  • TedLogan

    You make very good points and I wanted to give you a thumbs up, but I had to give you a thumbs down because you believe in a god

  • TedLogan

    he was a made up dude

  • TedLogan

    your comments are actually making people dumber

  • Trisha1480

    Tell me how our knowledge of DNA even supports the whole common ancestor theory? Finding fossils of an animal that has similar DNA to both Apes and Man does not mean that it is a common ancestor, it could in fact be a completely different species in and of its own. For years evolutionary scientists believed we evolved from apes. Since evolutionary scientists now believe that is wrong and there was a common ancestor, what makes you believe that they are right this time?? The fact is many evolutionary scientists use long periods of time to explain how these things happen, even though our current knowledge of DNA does not support the possibility of a common ancestor. You breed a Wolf with a wolf, you will get wolves every time no matter how long you continue this process. The only way to get another product is to breed with another canine.

  • TedLogan

    That’s nice that you believe that, but its not reality. The church has caused millions of deaths over the centuries and today oppressed millions across the globe.

  • TedLogan

    There is no devil, it was made up to help people make sense of tragedy

  • TedLogan

    I wish we could destroy religion in the USA as well

  • TedLogan

    Your first statement had some merit to it, but you threw it away witht this one. Whale song can be poetic and dolphins have exhibited compasion.. Is that not good enough for you?

  • TedLogan

    You are entitled to your mythology and opinion, but I hope you neve attain any kind of legislative authority or have children. You live in midevil times

  • TedLogan

    Funny that you claim those that understand and use science are being simple. I think simple is just living life saying “god did it.”

  • TedLogan

    I think maybe you are an agnostic

  • TedLogan

    Thats not true.. there are many, many, many ancient writings from all over the globe. What was grouped together and put in the Torah is just a subset of those writings..

  • Moment

    all denominations have believers and unbelievers — but the catholic church is the one who took the bible away and CHAINED one to the alter that you could come in a read.

    Catholics believe in confession — I do to but not to no MAN — You confess your sins only to JESUS

    No praying to mother Mary – because it is only ONE mediator between you and GOD and this is Jesus Christ so if you are praying to Mary the devil may be answering those.

  • TedLogan

    So when did god create the rest of the multi-verse? You know paralell plains of existence which each consist of hundreds of billions of galaxies which in turn consist of hundreds of billions of stars?

  • Moment

    So you are hear to argue a made up dude .. Now who is the crazy one

  • TedLogan

    there is no logic in using a made up being to explain things we don’t understand. You can dress it up to look like logic, dress it up as a rational argument, but as long as the foundation of the argument is “god did it”, there is no logic.

  • TedLogan

    Thinking critically and being rational is not “seeking out supidity”, believing in a creator that cares about you is insane.

  • Kristýna Lovell

    I guess they were pretty smart after all. Without God.

  • Moment

    That’s right the ” CHURCH ” not Jesus — Man and I mean ALL MEN fall short – Man is evil from his youth

  • Kristýna Lovell

    You need to understand that there is absolutely nothing in between me and God since I don`t believe God exists.

  • TedLogan

    I actually didn’t argue anything.. just made a statement.. I don’t think you undersand the term argument.

  • Moment

    I’m talking the entire discussion — why are you here? Arguing about someone you don’t even think is real — again who is the crazy one?

  • TedLogan

    the fact is… we are all part of the masses.. It might make you feel good about yourself to think you are set apart from it or that everyone else is a sheep, but its not true. The earth and all life on it is just a cosmic accident. There is nothing special about any of us. If the Earth disappeared tomorrow, nothing would change…. Hell if the Milkway disappeared tomorrow, outside of change to gravitational pull on our super structure, nothing would change

  • TedLogan

    we are not special, just a comic accident… Our lives have no meaning… The entire planet earth is pointless.

  • TedLogan

    how can god care so much about us when the universe is so large an he/she/it created all of that as well?

  • Christian meehan

    These people are so scientifically uneducated and biased it kills me. It is not about control its about truth! and the truth is if you believe in christianity you are not right. you have faith that youre right true… but all science proves its bullshit. actually watch the debate and see the points and how circular ken hams argument is. God exists because i believe in god so god exists!! hahahaha

  • TedLogan

    There is quite a bit wrong with your statement, mainly the magic guy in the sky stuff. However you are dead wrong on how you define evolution. The gentlemen above did define it accurately. Evolution is not necessarily going from ape line beings to humans over several hundre million years (which did happen), it is change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift.

  • Moment

    Jesus says he knows when a sparrow falls to the ground – Does it change people lives when people are killed, murdered, terrorized

  • Moment

    I feel sorry for you

  • Moment

    We are the only thing made in his image

  • Moment

    And in time we will all be gods

  • TedLogan

    So it’s Pascal’s wager for you eh? GOD DID IT! GOD DID IT GOD IT, because if I think otherwise I will burn, but if there is no god oh well

  • ZEROGON

    God exists because he tells mankind he does. He says, we are to prove him at his word. So the bible gives us the answers, but unfortunately, not many understand how to read or make sense of the content. Ken Ham doesn’t know the first thing about God and therefore, is in no position, to be a voice on the matter whatsoever. In fact, God didn’t reveal the truth about himself until the very days we now live, actually, it was about a hundred years ago, but by then, main-stream Christianity had been thoroughly duped and sold a lie, most people have swallowed it whole. You’re right, based solely on arguments such as Hams, or anyone else, who proclaims ignorant stupidity, they make self-proclaimed-christians look foolish, and why, because it doesn’t do a thing which approaches even the slightest bit of truth, or understanding, as far as who God is, or why we humans were placed here on the earth almost six-thousand years ago.

    These people appear almost just as foolish, as do, those who believe in theories.

  • TedLogan

    It’s not faith when there is scienfically proven evidence for it. In the thousands of years humans have believed in the Mono-theistic god or hundreds of gods that others believed in….. there has not been on shred of evidence for the magic man in the sky. If you have some, please let us know …..
    I’ll wait…..

  • Guest

    Tell me how our knowledge of DNA even supports the whole common ancestor theory? Finding fossils of an animal that has similar DNA to both Apes and Man does not mean that it is a common ancestor, it could in fact be a completely different species in and of its own. For years evolutionary scientists believed we evolved from apes. Since evolutionary scientists now believe that is wrong and there was a common ancestor, what makes you believe that they are right this time?? The fact is many evolutionary scientists use long periods of time to explain how these things happen, even though our current knowledge of DNA does not support the possibility of a common ancestor. You breed a Wolf with a wolf, you will get wolves every time no matter how long you continue this process. The only way to get another product is to breed with another canine.

  • TedLogan

    I think you wanted to say the worse our country is doing… By the way I disagree with you….

  • TedLogan

    “his” followers sure did

  • Guest

    I think the site double posted my comment.

  • TedLogan

    your fellow christians, because an atheist (or at least an admitted one) would never be elected

  • Andrew Jay Kittrell

    Here is a concept that I have not seen at all through this argument, not saying it isn’t there because I only read a few before being lost in disbelief at how I could argue both points easily, what if both “theories” were somewhat right. The Bible says we all fall short of the glory of God. Does anyone know how to measure the Glory of God? I didn’t think so. (if you think you do you are a fool) God is greater than our human capabilities allow us to comprehend.

  • Andrew Jay Kittrell

    That being said how do you measure a day in God’s eyes. We cant. This being said a day to God could in fact be millions of years to a human. The bible teaches that God created man in his image, molding him from clay. Let’s just say a day to God is a million years to a human. Being that God is way more than we can comprehend to begin with, this is certainly not out of the question. This being said Evolution teaches that man evolved from single celled organisms, which can usually be found in a material called umm…. clay. This is a theory that not only scientifically proves that the Bible is true, but biblically proves evolution. Every man is entitled to his own opinion, and to believe what he chooses. I know there is a God, and he sent his son for my sins. He created me with a broad spectrum of thinking that someday I would make a theory like this, mind you this is just my theory. I am sure that when I meet God in heaven he will tell me how far off I am, because all fall short of the incomprehensible glory of God.

  • ZEROGON

    When teaching humans about himself, God doesn’t deal in concepts of evolution and creation simultaneously. Its either one or the other, lets face it, mankind got here somehow – so what gives – as far as the correct answer. The bible clearly spells it out for anyone willing to take an honest approach to subject and if more people really understood how God operates in teaching us, they would soon realize, that even a small child could understand. The problem is, not many are willing to go that route because of previous erroneous religious teachings already predigesting their minds, in other words, they in fact, refuse to hear the truth, therefore, God cannot teach them. But that won’t stop them from spewing out their ignorance as if they do know. These pages are the proof.

  • ZEROGON

    Stupid is, what stupid does…and believing in an unprovable theory IS!

  • Roseline Moniz

    The Bible never debates God, defends God, nor seeks to prove God; the Bible simply affirms and proclaims God. The Christian’s confession is: Credo in Deum.

    An assumption of Theism is the explicit presupposition of the Biblical Revelation. Genesis begins with God: “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth” (1:1), and the last book of the Bible ends with God: “And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, ‘Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God’” (Rev. 21:2-3). The Bible asserts that it is from God, with an assertion that demands faith; and the Scriptures inform man of God and His plan for His creation. In the Scriptures God is inescapable.

    To not believe in God is to court atheism, a position that Scripture does not seek to engage in discussion. It is merely mentioned and dismissed, for debate and dialogue are not the Biblical methods of confronting the atheist. Twice the Scriptures simply and profoundly assert: “The fool has said in his heart, ‘There is no God’ ” (Ps. 14:1; 53:1). This fool is not an intellectual fool but a moral fool, not a person with mental problems but one who displays moral foolishness because of the corruption of his nature. This fool is not one who cannot reason, but one who reasons wrongly. It is not that the man does not know but that he rejects obvious knowledge, a rejection anchored in the depravity of his own heart. Inescapable knowledge of the true God is suppressed. Deliberately and maliciously the atheist says: “No God”; deliberately and unhesitatingly God responds: “Fool!” In response to atheism and to all other intellectual positions of skepticism and doubt, the Christian theist, by faith, boldly and confidently proclaims: “God is!”

    According to the Scriptures, the position of the atheist is not a sincere position.

    For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse (Rom. 1:20, NKJV);

    For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse (Rom. 1:20, ESV).
    The atheist is not sincere because he is rejecting that which is obvious. “The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows His handiwork” and this declaration and showing occurs day and night: “There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard” (Ps. 19:1-3). Indications of God’s existence are not obscure; they are everywhere.

    So obvious are the indications that the person who denies them has no justification for his position. Job says that the beasts, birds, and fish can give testimony that God is and that God acts (Job 12:7-9). Their very existence proclaims His Being. All leaves, both those attached to vegetation and those that have fallen to the ground, attest to their Creator; every single leaf is irrefutable evidence for the existence of God—but how seldom is such evidence even considered. But the leaves are silent and continual testimonies to Him; if they exist, then He must exist. Creation makes it impossible for anyone to say there is no God, for creation simply confirms what man already knows. All of creation testifies that it has come to be and exists because God is. Statements in Romans, Psalms, and Job are not given as an attempt to win belief on the part of man by rational argument but simply as declarations of fact. The tenor of Scripture is that the truth of these declarations is obvious; only the fool would think otherwise (see: The God of Creation).

    God’s existence is undeniable; God “cannot be unknown in his existence” (Charnock, E and A, I, 26). Where is the group of people that has rejected a higher power? What culture has made atheism its religion? Admittedly, atheism may have been voiced at times by some in power, but never has such an official policy become the thinking of the masses. Even Satan did not tempt man to deny God’s existence, but the evil one tempted man with the desire to be like God.

    All men do not hold to the monotheism of the Christian faith, but all men worship; they worship whatever they perceive to be greater than themselves, whatever it is that they desire to invoke to assist them in living. In every age man has worshipped, worshipped someone or something greater than himself. The worship may be a perversion of true worship but all worship exists as testimony to man’s need for and belief in One greater than himself. Man’s outward religion manifests his inward conviction. Only the fool says that there is no God (see: The Aloneness of Atheism).

    Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts;
    The whole earth is full of His glory!
    Isaiah 6:3

    Return to God’s Existence; Next Article: Innate Knowledge of God

  • klr56

    I had a group of 11 year olds take a puzzle and throw it in the air over and over again and it never fell into place…. And some people believe that the intricacies of the human race just “evolved….” That is laughable.

  • Guest

    Tell me how our knowledge of DNA even supports the whole common ancestor theory? Finding fossils of an animal that has similar DNA to both Apes and Man does not mean that it is a common ancestor, it could in fact be a completely different species in and of its own. For years evolutionary scientists believed we evolved from apes. Since evolutionary scientists now believe that is wrong and there was a common ancestor, what makes you believe that they are right this time?? The fact is many evolutionary scientists use long periods of time to explain how these things happen, even though our current knowledge of DNA does not support the possibility of a common ancestor. You breed a Wolf with a wolf, you will get wolves every time no matter how long you continue this process. The only way to get another product is to breed with another canine.

  • Christian meehan

    Good response… personally my belief is parallel with pantheism look it up. It pretty much says that God is everything and everything is god. So i believe in christianity’s view that there is a higher power that we humans are not aware of (or are vaguely aware of). But as for the universe, I do not believe in the bible’s view of how it came to be. In fact, I believe the bible should be used as a fictional piece as an aid to everyone for how life should be lived. So while noahs ark and the story of adam and eve are taken literally by some, i think it should be looked at as symbolism for life. Look up Biocentrism by robert lanza. God is conciousness in many forms dating back to the earliest collisions of particles in the early universe billions of years ago

  • Tim Rowland

    Ted, the THEORY of evolution is not a viable science model. By it’s very definition, science is the discovery of truths based on replicated experiments. Minor adaptations in-species are not evolutionary steps that lead to inter-species changes.

    No scientist has ever been able to replicate the claims of the evolutionary THEORY or explain where the matter came from in the first place. The Big Bang THEORY is not the Big Bang LAW because there is no proof. There aren’t even any fossils showing transitional forms from one species to another.

    Intelligent Design, Creationism, Evolution, they ALL require FAITH to believe in. Only the faith community is honest about that.

  • Tim Rowland

    Glenn, I don’t understand. If we can’t argue FOR a CREATOR, how do we argue that we are ‘endowed by our Creator,’ with inalienable rights? The very premise of your political, social, and faith system is being attacked, and your response is that we should not engage that discussion?

    You make no sense at all in this area, and your dismissiveness is offensive.

  • Trisha1480

    If evolution takes millions of years to happen, then how is it as you say, factual, peer reviewed, reproducible, cross checked evidence? No one I know of living today was alive millions of years ago.

  • ManyCalledFewChosen

    Yes, the evidence is incredible. Even more so there is clear evidence of fossils and dinosaurs across the America’s. Wooly Mammoth uncovered in S. Dakota feeding on lush tropical plants. These Mammoth died so fast they still have Buttercups in their bellies. One beautiful worldly land mass, perfectly joined as geologist can prove and science can date.
    The earth “became void” as you’ve witnessed, complete and utter waste (Hebrew: Tohu). Happened at the first rebellion of Satan. Gen 1:2, Jer 4:22-26
    God did not or does not “create” things void. Isa 45:18 It became that way.
    Noah’s flood was not a utter waste (tohu). But a cleansing of the fallen angels spoken of in Gen 6:2 “sons of God” = Angels. Took the daughters of Noah to wife and had children creating mighty men. Gen 6:4(Giants=Hebrew; Nephilim – Fallen angels)
    So yes, you are correct the evidence in South Africa and the rest of the world is clear. But Christians make a huge mistake trying to suggest it all happened at Noah’s flood and that carbon dating is not accurate. They sound foolish and only turn science further away from God when they mesh perfectly.

  • Moment

    whats better

  • Moment

    Obama is not a follower and he has spent 6.666 trillion

  • Moment

    Obama not a christian and the democrat national convention denied GOD 3 times

  • Moment

    Not only that .. betting ones life on it

  • ZEROGON

    Actually, to suggest that God is everything, doesn’t square with what God himself, describes about himself. He says, that he is perfect righteous in everything…on the other hand, Satan the devil is evil-incarnate, he hates God and everything about God. He chooses to destroy anyone who makes an attempt to gain a better understanding of God and discover real answers as to, why we humans are here in the first place.

    By the looks of what the vast majority on these pages have expressed, Satan is doing a fine job of deception.

    As far as you believing in the bible view of creation, I must stop you on that, what so-called Christians preach, is the earth is only six-thousand years old. The bible does not teach that, but because of the great powerful devil, who holds sway over the minds of men and routinely makes fools out of them, its sort-of a pleasant past time for him, it amuses his perverted sense of self-worth they proclaim themselves to be wise but prove by their very words how ignorant they really are..

    God admonishes men to prove him at his word, he says we must believe every word found in the bible, that means the bible must be taken literally. Without doing that, that is, taking those needed steps – then the inquisitive student is doomed before he begins, and will never come to a full understanding of reality and truth.

    The problem with especially the educated, they more than not, add their own ideas of what and who God is rather than taking the necessary time to prove things for themselves, which by the way, leads only to further the mass-confusion that already exists.

    There are answers that can be obtained with proof.

  • Andrew Jay Kittrell

    The Devil is a liar, get behind me Satan.

  • ManyCalledFewChosen

    It is true, the Hebrew manuscripts have never been changed and make up the text of the Bible. Our translations come from these manuscripts. Further these manuscripts are locked in by the Massorah. This secures the original meaning of the text so it can not be changed by people like yourself.
    Your posts here suggest that your just looking for trouble and are not worth another response. I just wanted to clarify it for any one else that might read your nonsense.

  • TedLogan

    Lets say that was true…..if you understood science and reason you would know that correlation does not prove causation

  • TedLogan

    1) Military strenght 2) Science and Innovation.. Our decline as whole is probably due to our decline in bucket number 2

  • TedLogan

    Your willful ignorance is terrifying

  • TedLogan

    This is one of thew few cases where it really is zero sum game

  • TedLogan

    So you believe a fable that talks about people following fables? Thats kind of ironic.

  • TedLogan

    Its already proven, you are just ignoring facts

  • TedLogan

    Any scientist that believes in creation is a SINO

  • TedLogan

    This is a hard argument to refute..

  • TedLogan

    Although this response may appear ironic, Amen!

  • TedLogan

    Creationism is in no way, shape or form science. It willfully ignores proven facts in order to support their mythology book

  • ZEROGON

    But like that puzzle, the bible only fits together one way. The puzzle, is much the same as how the bible was designed by the mind of our creator. He says, “Whom will he teach knowledge, and to whom will he explain the message? Those who are weaned from the milk, those taken away from the breast? For it is precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little there a little” Is. 28:10

    The bible is a mystery, it is a puzzle. A puzzle that only fits together the way our ingenious creator designed it to fit. Men may try,. and often do, to force it to go together the way they see fit, the way his carnal mind thinks, but the truth will never be obtained until the puzzle is properly put together the proper way. “a little here..a little there”

  • TedLogan

    So how would you classify creationism?

  • ldsmom02

    Provide some actual evidence than men came from amoebas or fish or reptiles or anything other than men. You can’t because it simply does not exist. It’s called DNA and your DNA is not found in fish or reptiles or anything like it.

  • TedLogan

    Three words Galápagos Islands’ Finches

  • TedLogan

    There is “no sides”, there is no debate.. There is scientifically proven fact and there is voodoo…. We don’t teach religion in school, it doesn’t belong in school.. Thank you constitution

  • TedLogan

    *This statement brough to you about the Koch brothers.

  • TedLogan

    That was the funniest thing I’ve read on this board…

  • women99

    Noetic
    You use Wikipedia as a reference. Just how long has Wikipedia been around? Have you researched the man who owns/runs it? I have he has an agenda.
    We all know that Berkeley is NOT A LIBERAL UNV. RIGHT
    I suggest that you view BOTHSDES BEFORE STATING THAT YOUR SIDE IS THE “REAL” SIDE.
    bILL Nye IS AN EXTENSION OF THE CURRENT GLOBIALIST EPA PEOPLE

  • TedLogan

    You make a good statement here, but since the Bible was written by Man and the whole evidence of contact from god is people who claimed to have talked to him/she/it…. than doesn’t it seem like the bible and god are also flawed? You can’t really have it both ways Darren.

  • TedLogan

    both the bibe and god are man made as well…

  • TedLogan

    and you believe all kinds of stuff told to you by the bible

  • flyride2006

    Nice work Brian. Very concise! :->

  • TedLogan

    It is true there are some events in the bible that also have historical evidence to back them up. I submit that is true. However there is absolutely zero evidence to back of the divinity of Jesus Christ (if he existed at all) or that some being above humanity created everything… That is where your statement falls down..

  • TedLogan

    This is a relatively sound statement

  • TedLogan

    Again, nothing, NOTHING backs up the existence of a creator of the divinity of man from 2K years ago… Food for thought

  • TedLogan

    Every statement you make is scarier than the last

  • TedLogan

    Nope

  • TedLogan

    I really hope you don’t have any involvement with children

  • women99

    Johnny
    YOU certainly did HEAR THAT FROM YOUR guy Mr. Nye throughout this debate.
    You also heard that Mr. NYE is IN HIS OWN WORDS FAR SUPERIOR THAN BELIEVERS.
    You and your ilk put down Christians as stupid morons so How about Sir I. Newton?
    I guess in your MIND?? if you have one, you think he was stupid also?
    Well it is all relative because n the end you will find out much too late that YOU and YOUR ILK WERE WRONG!
    Mr Nye is just a ANGRY OLD MAN WHO HAPPENS TO BE AN ATHEIST. IT IS SAD TO SEE THE BRAIN WASHING AND DUMBING DOWN OF YOUTHt.

  • flyride2006

    the Holy Spirit is the necessary translator for actual understanding.

  • TedLogan

    so the Catholic Church supports evolution and the Catholic Church is given it’s authority by Jesus in the gospel of Matthew… So which part of the Bible is wrong here?

  • TedLogan

    OK.. fine then what came before god? There is a bigger chicken and the egg dilema

  • TedLogan

    Holy jes… this is simple minded

  • Robert John Pease

    To say there is no proof is to say that the bible is fake, just because it was written by someone who could have been hallucinating dosent mean it’s true. There is one thing as a evolutionary believer I can say this the big bang makes no sense to me……. So why couldn’t God have planted a small seed that EVOLVED instead of just proof one say Adam and eve…….And one the subject of proof show me where dinosaurs come in in the bible and I’ll concede my argument to you…..but it has to be 100%no chance of being wrong dinosaurs because we science people have proof they were here

  • TedLogan

    you had me until the first few words of the last sentence

  • TedLogan

    go to your local museum, unless you live in Kentucky

  • women99

    jOHNNY
    I ASK YOU A QUESTION.
    If you go out side and look and see grass, trees flowers and THEN look up at the sky an are asked
    DID YOU SEE the Trees your answer YES
    Did you see the flowers and grass YES
    YOU THEN TELL ME I HAVE PROOF BECAUSE SEE THESE THINGS.
    WHEN I ASK DID YOU SEE THE SKY YES
    DID YOU SEE GOD IN THE SKY? NO

    SO GOD MUST NOT EXIST BECAUSE YOU CANNOT SEE HIM. RIGHT?????
    I ASK OTHERS CAN YOU “SEE” JOHNNY’S BRAIN no ?NO?

    THEN “JOHNNY” MUST NOT HAVE ONE BECAUSE I CANNOT NOT SEE HIS BRAIN RIGHT?????
    SO can something UNSEEN exist???
    ANSWER CAREFULY YOUR REPUTATION DEPENDS ON THE ANSWER

  • TedLogan

    Path to hell… HA!

  • ZEROGON

    Instead of coming up with even newer theories, try proving the bible for yourself, before adding more confusing fuel to the fire.

  • TedLogan

    apparently he/she/it… did make you aware of the proper use of there, their, they’re” And nothing will change the fact that life is a cosmic accident, that ancient people made up god, and scientifically illiterate people today still believe it

  • TedLogan

    He sure did and it’s not hard to do when your argument is “god did it”

  • TedLogan

    Stop right there… I am a republican, but I am a pre-1980s republican. I am for small government and rationality…. Just because the southern strategy DESTROYED the republican party and has hurt the United States…. don’t you be calling me a liberal

  • TedLogan

    that’s a general statement, in what context?

  • flyride2006

    Since time descriptors like billion and million weren’t an option and most folks passed time from sun up to sundown, did it ever occur to it’s detractors that those ancient historians were using vernacular from their times and their point of understanding. So given these facts timing is going to be a mystery. Who know how long God’s day is? Since we were created in His image might it be possible he gave this creation thing more than one shot over more time like we do just to get it right…Maybe but probably not?
    His ways are not our ways and His thought are not our thoughts…

  • TedLogan

    It happens all the time in the multi-verse

  • TedLogan

    making up weird stuff…. like god?

  • TedLogan

    Any intellectual weakness is due to those that are “faithful”

  • TedLogan

    So you are the product of incest?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Revan

    Like I give a damn what a bigot like you thinks. You do not know me so don’t even try it.

  • TedLogan

    wow… just wow

  • TedLogan

    and… the first racist commet from landofaahs… loving jesus and being “christian” and the anti-muslim sentiment often go hand and hand…

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Revan

    No making stuff up like 5 different theories on the big bang. Making stuff up to make hide the fact the big bang breaks every law of physics. You know stuff like that.

  • women99

    Simon
    Your posts are laughable. Science does NOT according to you accept Theories.
    What is Darwin’s evolution called? the THEORY of evolution?
    Did not Darwin’s notes say ‘I THINK” Does not pay Nye and his ilk say We are “REASONALBE THINKERS”
    what is ‘THOUGHT’ PROOOF , FACT OR JUST AND IDEA
    OR THEORY?
    it is very obvious that you are an atheist and reject a God so since your brain is not VISIBLE it MUST NOT EXIST.
    NOW THAT IS THE KIND F PROOD OU SPEAK ABOUT.LOL

  • women99

    Johnny
    I love your photo QUITE REVEALING OF YOUR I Q

  • TedLogan

    Lets say that souls are real…. who is to say chimps don’t have them? You? What makes you an authority?

  • women99

    JOHNNY
    YES SOMETHING LIKE THE SCIENTIST THAT WERE CAUGHT ON EMAILS SAYING TO DELETE THE EVIDENCE IF IT CANNOT PROVE…….WAIT FOR IT….”THEIR THEORY” RIGHT

  • TedLogan

    The irony of you using man’s scientific achievements as an argument against science is HILARIOUS!

  • TedLogan

    what about two hungry humans fighting for food, a father stealing to feed his family, the USA occupying the mideast for oil?

  • TedLogan

    There is no reason for humanity, there is only a cosmic accident which resulted in life evolving to where we are now. Humanity will most likely go exitinct at some point. There is no god there

  • TedLogan

    Hey Tom… actually chimps have proven they can do most of things you say they can’t. Also, I think the last statement about the “concept of the creator” is a good thing… It’s one less impediment than humanity has to deal with.

  • TedLogan

    Please prove the existence of a soul. You seem to be equating intelligence with the idea of a soul. So if a chimp is not as intelligent as a human, the chimp has no soul? Its much more likely there is no soul. Also, the bible isn’t evidence.

  • women99

    ACTUALLY to the Johnny’s on this site
    and the Bill Nye’s I have to leave this site now because I THINK AS A CHRISTIAN I CAN DIG A HOLE AND PLANT SOME SEEDS. DUH
    I am STILL waiting for the answer does Johnny and Bill NYE have a brain because it is not VISIBLE? So it must not exist there is no factual or visible proof
    To God’s people keep on believing you have the right facts in your mind and when Johnny and Bill Nye are gone and they know not where they will be but WE BELIEVERS DO
    Blessings TO US BELIEVERS

  • TedLogan

    where did you prove humans have souls?

  • TedLogan

    So what makes Christains right? What if its Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Native American tribes… What if the Alien theory is right? What makes your random interpreation of nature, which is just one of tens of thousands of beliefs, correct?

  • TedLogan

    And….now I know you are Catholic… So if god is all knowing, was he just cool with the tens of thousands of little boys that were sexually violated by priests? Was god cool with the instituional cover up about it?

  • TedLogan

    Nice try… what the hell does not corrupted mean? And actually, yes believing in Adam/Eve does suggest someone screwed their mother.

  • TedLogan

    what makes the Catholics right?

  • TedLogan

    so… zero evidence supports it

  • TedLogan

    what is the difference in believing what they had to say vs… a bunch of bronze age people in the middle east?

  • TedLogan

    So maybe it was aliens then… much more likely than JC and his pops

  • TedLogan

    I feel awful for your children

  • TedLogan

    So you respond with god of the gaps

  • TedLogan

    the term evolutionist is funny.. as if there are two camps here.. There is one camp and those that believe in myth who are insane

  • TedLogan

    Aliens

  • TedLogan

    This isn’t up for debate.. there is no “both sides” there is fact and crazy, grown adults that believe in myth

  • TedLogan

    So because you don’t understand it, then a god did it?

  • Robert James

    “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” That’s all I need to know, having said that, which makes more sense. 1. Believing that nothing begat nothing which in turn begat nothing and that when nothing begat nothing it did it so perfectly to where nothing begat everything we see around us? 2. Knowing that there is a God and we just cannot explain Him. I’ll stick with the latter. For you who don’t, we will agree to disagree..Time will tell.

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  • TedLogan

    I don’t know…. maybe thats something you can start saying… instead… a god did it

  • TedLogan

    the fact that this post was given any thumbs down is just sad… one million thumbs up

  • TedLogan

    said the koch brother tea party guy

  • TedLogan

    Really, saying I don’t know is “cowardice, dishonesty, or arrogance” I would think its the exact opposite, bravery, honestly, and humility.” Saying that you understand the vastness of the universe and that god did is seems to be the height of hubris

  • TedLogan

    your use of the term “evolutionist” gives you a way as a liar or someone who went to liberty university

  • TedLogan

    tea party alert!

  • Brian

    How quickly we change our arguments…

  • TedLogan

    So.. you say that there is pressure for grant money and researchers fudge things… I can’t argue that it doesn’t happen as I am sure it does. However, you have posted about how climate change is fake. The ironic thing here, is that the fact that the burning of fossil fuels produces carbon and impacts the climate was never a issue. UNTIL, the oil industry and their lobbyists starting paying conservative politicians to fight regulations. Now the koch brothers give millions to organizations that will do anything to disprove climate change. So your statement about grant money struck me as particularly funny

  • TedLogan

    What?

  • TedLogan

    Prove zeus doesn’t exist, or appollo, or Rah, or any number of thousands of gods….

  • Brian

    Did you know that gravity is also a scientific theory?

  • TedLogan

    i thought his name was I am he who am

  • TedLogan

    liberty university doesn’t count

  • Brian

    Gravity is a theory too. Care to test it out?

  • TedLogan

    Aliens did it

  • TedLogan

    The nice thing about science is that doesn’t hinge on just one person. So if Newton or Darwin ended up dropping everything and became jesus freaks.. that doesn’t impact science at all. That is because theories and evidence must be reviewed by others and be shown to be repeatable… thats the beauty of rational thought and science

  • Mike

    It took an effort to get here to reply. Beck’s website doesn’t allow direct link-ins from emails telling you someone replied to your comment.

    You said -
    “Any intellectual weakness is due to those that are “faithful”

    Faith is trust, nothing more, nothing less. You may trust your spouse to be faithful or your dog to be faithful. You may have faith in a friend or a relative or even the people next door.

    Faith is also the definition of trusting that those you voted for, or are true to you or the things you believe in life are real. But, in the end, it is all based on trust, or faith, that what you have in your hands… or your head, is real.

    My personal faith is that Christ walked a brief path in life to set an example so that those of us who took the time to care… might pass this physical classroom with a chance of passing to what awaits next.

    Does life simply end when that old body dies? It’s a worthy question. I think there is more… when we graduate but others feel that a dark nothingness is far preferred.

    Either way, the universe around us is quite big and as yet, almost completely unexplored, much less understood. From there… do we have enough answers to think we have a firm grip on what life is all about?

    Well, that’s a personal choice we all have to make. You make yours. I make mine… those folks down the street? Well, they make their own, too.

    Did Christ set an example of how a life could be applied? I think so… but if you don’t, then that’s your choice.

    Have a nice day :)

  • TedLogan

    so a god created us, but it created us in a manner that didn’t allow it to speak to us?

  • TedLogan

    and now we are quoting the movie Rudy?

  • TedLogan

    what is with the all caps?

  • Brian

    Did you know that gravity is also a theory?

  • TedLogan

    did you graduate high school?

  • TedLogan

    enter the mormons!
    Prove Joseph Smith wasn’t full of it?

  • TedLogan

    I’ve got time for you to prove a single creator of the multi-verse exists

  • TedLogan

    And a significant amount of those murders and slave holders did in the name of your god….So where was it, when all that human misery occured in its name

  • TedLogan

    What order? The multiverse is an incredibly dangerous place and the majority of extra solar planets found wouldn’t support life. That seems like chaos to me. Law of averages show that in the unimaginably large universe that life would pop up somwhere…. you see a god, I see randomness

  • ZEROGON

    Your lack of understanding of why we humans were placed here on the earth is magnified by your ignorance. God created man and woman. He intended that they reproduce and fill the earth with what we see today, billions of people. God is the author of marriage and therefore, as it says in the book of Mathew, chpt.19 and verse 6 “What God has joined together, let no man put asunder”

    It had to start somewhere, and if it was God who was bringing the couple together, that’s his business, not yours.

    We must remember, that when Adam and Eve were first created, they were created with adult bodies. God himself directed their minds and taught them everything they needed to know. This process probably took several years. And that is why God did not create billions of people all at the same time, it was a time issue. So from that time forward, God would let the parents of their children do the teaching. We cannot expect God to teach millions and even billions of children who need decades of education to realistically do that job. It is the parents responsibility.

    Even at Christ’s soon second coming, he will have his saints with him and they will help him educate a world full of deceived humans, its faster that way.

    So to answer your question, in the beginning, procreation was not considered incest. Although, today, the bible states that incest is a sin.

  • TedLogan

    you know that means nothing right?

  • Brian

    “I’m not quite sure why they are arguing over the age of the earth. The bible says–”
    Stop.

  • TedLogan

    and how many kill in the name of a god?

  • ManyCalledFewChosen

    Sure, God speaks of many things he created in Job 41, but in Job 41:15 he mentions dinosaurs directly.
    For you to read the entire book of Job with understanding would take some explaining but you can certainly look up the verse.
    Also, no where does the Bible say all mankind came from Adam and Eve. Where this comes from I have no idea.
    Read the very beginning of Genesis chapter 1 it’s only 31 verses, not very long. You will find that on the 6th day God created the races, hunters, fishers and so forth male and female telling them to be fruitful, multiply and subdue the earth. God than rested on the 7th day. Starting a whole new chapter in Genesis 2, God creates Adam on the 8th day. Adam is very special because through his gene’s Christ will come. This is why his genealogy is very specific throughout Genesis and Eve is called the mother of all living. Only through Christ will we have eternal life not that all mankind comes from Eve.

  • TedLogan

    actually yes it is a cosmic accident…. why didn’t your maker put life on every other planet in the solar system or why did it make the multiverse generally a pretty inhospitable place for life?

  • TedLogan

    quit referring to yourself as well informed when your basis is the bible and a god

  • TedLogan

    umm.. climate change has been proving. Those that ignore it are doing it for one of three reasons:
    1) They work in the fossil fuel industry and work to discredit it because it destroys their profit
    2) They are paid by the oil industry to make things up
    3) Mindless tea party member who is told to ignore it by people from groups 1 and 2

  • TedLogan

    then please prove a god did it

  • TedLogan

    you ae willfuly ignoring fact to suit yourself… Yes DNA can and does change…. Thats why something like 25% of European DNA is made up f Neanderthal

  • ZEROGON

    Three things …1) You’re wrong about God and he can easily be proven, through prophetic writing penned thousands of years ago and is now today, perfectly revealing itself exactly as described…and no, Nostradamus , was no prophet. 2) You’re right, that is biblical revelation, that most professing Christians regularly argue against, to their shame, the bible says otherwise. 3) Humans have only been around for just under six-thousand years. Are there findings of Neanderthal beings, yes there are as well as dinosaurs which date back millions of years if not more. But God created man in his image around six thousand years ago, for a very definite reason, he is offering mankind what no other creature has ever been offered, and that is to be born as sons into his eternal family – becoming God ourselves.

  • ManyCalledFewChosen

    Peter gives you the measurement you don’t have to theorize.
    2nd Peter 3:8 – But, beloved, be not ignorant of this thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
    This is why I firmly believe the creation was actually a 6,000 year process not 6 literal days.

  • ZEROGON

    You, personally, might be an accident , of cosmic proportions, but God created mankind for a reason. Men will eventually fill the universe and exist for all eternity. Holding on to ignorant ideas just because you are to dumb to prove the word of God for yourself , robs you of higher thinking and enlightenment. There is a God, and if things go according to his plan (which so far they are) you one day will be a god yourself, imagine that Mr Evolutionary Man.

  • Paul K

    Hi Ted,
    First off, I’m a fan of Wyld Stallions.
    Second of all, I made some edits because I posted before proofing. Apologies.
    All kidding aside, I do come from a place of respect for your ideas. I am in no way a member of the Young Earth society, however, I do firmly believe in God. I don’t exactly believe in Evolution either, as a complete ideology, more as part of the picture, but I’m not an expert in it, I did not devote a significant amount of time researching it, and perhaps, it could explain why I have a hard time grasping the concept. The problem that I have with evolution is that it seems to have stopped. I am not talking about mutations, which, I understand, is something a little different. I do not see a hybrid species anywhere in known human history, I’ve never heard of plants becoming alive in a traditional sense. I am passionate about science, and watching this debate has rekindled a fascination with this subject, so I am going to read The Violinist’s Thumb next. The one thing that I see in terms of problematic is that in your argument, is “That is because theories and evidence must be reviewed by others and be shown to be repeatable…” Evolution, to the best of my knowledge, has not been shown to be repeatable. As far as we know, human beings are the only thing on the planet like us, and our planet is the only one that has been proven to be inhabited. We are alone, floating in space.

    Now, in defense of evolution, civilization has been flourishing for millennia, and that can lead to clearly wiping out mutations, or even species. After all, it is survival of the fittest (the survivors being the ones who most fit in), which can lead to aggressive behavior towards the anomalies that basically provide the breeding ground for evolution to exist. However, with the creation of new atoms and nanotechnology, could it be possible to show Carbon becoming sentient, or even alive? Or is it theoretical enough to claim that we could be terraforming another planet?
    Anyways, have mercy on us sinners, and I apologize on behalf of believers, who do not show the same respect through a difference of opinions.

  • Brian

    Did you know that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was formed in the 80s?

  • Skeptical_Boomer

    Please clarify

  • Brian

    Person A’s argument was that humans are the only species to exhibit self-awareness. Person B provided examples of other species exhibiting self-awareness. Person B says whales can’t write poetry.

  • Skeptical_Boomer

    You are seriously equating whale song to a human beings ability to write self analytical poetry?

  • jmaster67

    There is still no proven record of a transitional species. If apes evolved into humans, why are there still apes? Why are there no transitional species alive today? It doesn’t matter how slow the process is supposed to be, there should be some evidence of a change from one species to the other.

  • http://suzeraining.wordpress.com/ suz

    even hawking can’t seem to understand a very simple reality: we have not yet identified 75% of the atmospheric universe; we’ve not captured it, dissected it and so we cannot specifically name it so ‘dark matter’ becomes the name tag. he has said that “we now know all the building blocks of our existence” without detecting this huge ingredient. HOW DOES ONE COME TO SUCH A CONCLUSION?

    the collider has not yet done all it needs to do, so, no respect for the scientist who says stupid things.

    i want my scientist to be, well, scientific.

  • Skeptical_Boomer

    You are seriously equating whale song to a human beings ability to write self analytical poetry?

  • nolidad

    Well though this site is well estabished I hope my jumping it wont be considered rude. JOhnny just because the word theory has been subtly altered to include observed proven and tested facts do not confuse yourself. Gravity is a law. Most of what we know about germs are facts. Evolution ala single simple life to all we see living is unobserved, unrepreatable and untestable. Scientists hold time , survival of the fittest, and mutation as the mechanism for increased complexity of life, but this has not been observed desp[ite the numerous testing mechanisms trtied over the past 70 years or so. WE see speciation, variation, adaptation, and we see that mutation is over 99.9% harmful or benign (giving no advantage to its host. This is the linchpin of evolution and they cannot demonstrate it. It would be more honest for those who believe in evolution to call it that- a belief and not settled science or a fact of science

  • AngryPatriot5

    Seriously, I would LOVE to divide the USA into 2 parts…1 for the loser liberals and 1 for us conservatives. We all know which would succeed and which would be an utter failure. Athiests are fools and so stupid; it takes much more faith to believe in the big bang and evolution than it does in GOD. His creation testifies to the Creator; where there is design, there is always a Designer. Bill Nye, another “scientist” without much intelligence.

  • TheFury

    LOL Homo erectus, Homo habilis, Australopithecus africanus, Darwinius masali…

  • TheFury

    It’s really pathetic that creationists are running laps over this; Ken Ham is the laughing stock of the internet right now. Just scroll down on Reddit and 9GAG; people are making mocking memes about this guy right now!

  • TheFury

    LOL you’re saying you’re descended from Adam and Eve’s inbred grandchildren (who else were Adam and Eve’s kids supposed to have sex with?)

    That’s even worse!

  • Christa Reich

    think there were more drunks then shepherds! Good thing it wasn’t their wisdom

  • TheFury

    You are a fool; barely anyone studies evolution using fossils anymore, but with genetics.

    When I was getting my degree in molecular biology, I was studying the role of the alkb genes which confer in bacteria the ability to biodegrade toxic organic substances like those found in oil, gasoline.

    Guess what; humans have the same AlkB genes, and mutations in them have been linked to cancer. Humans have have bacterial genes; f your fossils

  • Christa Reich

    They mix theoretical and proven all together. How is that not a religion being forced in schools? If one theory is going to be taught without proof then all theories that are shared by a large population should be taught. People should get to decide, not be told which they have to believe but way of giving no other options.

  • Christa Reich

    My opposition to evolution isn’t evidentiary it’s theological

  • Georgejon malboeuf

    I am one of the opening founders at the Roswell UFO and International Museum and research center. In the years I volunteered my time and services there, the question of God, evolution and extraterrestrial life forms always was a question asked of me. I found this to be a very easy answer to field and answer. It isn’t the answer that’s disturbing. It is the total stupid fighting and ignorance of people who’s faculties can’t grasp the answer. Life is dimensional. If I put a glass water proof box of soil and earth worms inside a fish aquarium, I actually can say I have to kinds of different life forms living within a cube unaware of each existence. Then put the aquarium in a bird cage. Now I have 3 life forms living in a space. ALL different, yet all living in the same confined area. I could put that aquarium in my living room. unaware of each other basically. So it is with God. He is above and outside the box watching us. Have a question, fb me @ GJMalboeuf

  • Brian

    I am not. I was simply pointing out that you changed your argument.

  • landofaahs

    Well at least they slept with the opposite sex.

  • landofaahs

    You are blind.

  • landofaahs

    Very true. That didn’t make them any more Christian than people who try and stop debate and inclusion of creation in teaching and call themselves scientists. Scientists are not supposed to be afraid of other view points.

  • landofaahs

    Funny you should mention that. Outside of poisoning, people falling off tall buildings was one of the Soviet Unions favorite ways of getting rid of threats and other spies. Some things never change.

  • landofaahs

    Yes and other names.

  • landofaahs

    Claimed Gods just like Hindu and all the other false Gods of today.

  • landofaahs

    I did not say climate change does not exist. It changes all the time. It goes in cycles. We have had ice ages and droughts throughout history. But let me pose this to you. Man is also part of nature. We build homes much like beavers do. I hear nobody saying the beavers must go. Since man is part of nature and his nature is to use resources, to stop him would be stopping nature from progressing.

  • landofaahs

    Communist alert!

  • landofaahs

    I did not say I understood it. In fact God posed that question to Job. Where were you when I measured out the heavens and set the universes foundations. Humility is when you recognize God as the maker.

  • landofaahs

    I say it because it is true even if you don’t believe it.

  • landofaahs

    No. God has proven himself to me. His word is true and he will see me through all the troubles of this world. Too bad you can’t experience that. But it’s your choice.

  • landofaahs

    How do you know the sumerians didn’t lie?

  • landofaahs

    I’m not Catholic dummy so your statement is inane as usual.

  • landofaahs

    The gene pool was more pure back then and it is devolving with every generation and you are evidence of it. And speaking of your mother, I hope when you go home that she does not come out from under the porch and bark at you.

  • landofaahs

    Once again I am not Catholic and have never been.

  • landofaahs

    The Jewish religion points to Christianity through prophecy even though Jews do not believe in Christ. If they believed their Torah and the prophets they would see the promise of Christ. But they will come along at the proper time. The rest of the religions are just false ones. But I notice you do not ridicule muslims, hindus, native americans etc. but only Christians and perhaps jews. Why is that?

  • landofaahs

    I didn’t. But those who are able to have remorse for their actions and repentance prove they are different from the animal world. Of course many humans have killed their conscience and are lost and just act like animals. They only know appetite.

  • landofaahs

    Have you ever sinned?

  • landofaahs

    Does it bother his conscience afterwards? By the way it was FDR and Truman policy that began the occupation of the muddle east not the republicans. Go blame democrats.

  • Brian

    You are correct. Murder and gravity still exist today.

  • landofaahs

    Observation. Do chimps feel sorry for the things they have done? Besides you don’t believe they have souls so why do you get bothered when I agree and tell you they don’t?

  • landofaahs

    I am anti islam just as I am anti anything that denies Christ as the Son of God and equal to God himself.

  • landofaahs

    Just like your mother.

  • landofaahs

    True.

  • landofaahs

    No it’s not proven. Many scientist smarter than you disagree with your assessment.

  • jlnsr

    Thank you but they are well rounded and happy and don’t actively seek untruths that are always out there.

  • jlnsr

    I’n sorry. I fail to make the connection.

  • jlnsr

    Thanks for the spelling lesson. I might use it someday when I have nothing better to do with my time.

  • Skeptical_Boomer

    How so. I asked why humans are the only species to exhibit a conscience and self awareness. Where did I contradict myself?

  • Bert30

    I’m prepared to obey this verse and offer a defense anytime. I’m not prepared to go on offense though.

  • Brian

    self awareness ≠ poetry

  • Equis

    I would say that gravity leans on the side of strong scientific LAW where as evolution is not even close.

  • landofaahs

    O.K. dummy, Adam and Eve had many children. They had boys and girls and those boys and girls married and had children who married cousins who then married second cousins etc. Nowhere does the children have to have sexual relations with their mother to reproduce you moron.

  • landofaahs

    Muslim is Islam and it is not a race but a religion you retard.

  • Equis

    God’s day is a thousand years to man’s day. 2 Peter 3:8. Evolutionists still can not prove any scientific fact or DNA for that matter.

  • Equis

    Don’t forget the 7th day He rested and on the 8th day He created The Adam to take care of the land for farming. However, before creation the world itself is millions of years old and we know this by the dinosaurs.

  • Equis

    That’s the point, the earth may be millions of years old but man has not been here that long. Man was not even here when the dinosaurs were on this earth.

  • ManyCalledFewChosen

    I love it, thank you so much for a well informed reply!
    We need much, much more of this. :)

  • http://www.imsickofthecrap.com Red_SC

    God bless you, Ted. I’m praying for you, brother!

  • Keith Ramirez

    The answer is simple no body knows. I believe in God but man you guys need to not take everything in the bible so seriously. Adam and Eve could just be symbolic all the stories could be.

  • Keith Ramirez

    The main point and greatness of the bible is the morals it instilled not the beginning because once again nobody knows. Plus a whole bunch of people wrote the bible some stuff can be true some can just be creative stories that teach lessons the revelations could just be an artists view of the end that the leaders o that time had them throw in just cause I mean there’s so many grey areas and different possibilities . Come on guys

  • DeksamTorrac

    Heres a thought: If God can make everything he can change anything, then he can surely change the length of a second of time, simply by changing the effect of gravity to a greater weight. Gravity is produced by electrons spinning faster then the speed of light in every atom, [we can't see this because all we only have as a measuring stick that is the speed of light] thus the high speed electrons create a vortex of time in each atom explaining gravity. Speed that atom up faster and it creates even more gravity also speeding up time. The flood happened as a change of gravity and time, making huge animals now too heavy to walk and die or later drowned.
    So what may have happened before the flood took not as much time to do as todays concept of time. Like a record, if you will, being played extra slow, that same record says 6000 years till today, But who knows how slow the record was being played before the flood, millions of years in todays concept of time, maybe?…??? Just thinking outside the box =)

  • DeksamTorrac

    Heres a thought: If God can make everything he can change anything, then he can surely change the length of a second of time, simply by changing the effect of gravity to a greater weight. Gravity is produced by electrons spinning faster then the speed of light in every atom, [we can't see this because all we have as a measuring stick that is only the speed of light] thus the high speed electrons create a vortex of time in each atom explaining gravity. Speed that atom up faster and it creates even more gravity also speeding up time. The flood happened as a change of gravity and time, making huge animals now too heavy to walk and die or later drowned.
    So what may have happened before the flood took not as much time to do as todays concept of time. Like a record, if you will, being played extra slow, that same record says 6000 years till today, But who knows how slow the record was being played before the flood, millions of years in todays concept of time maybe?…??? Just thinking outside the box =)

  • Neuroguy

    I am not sure what a “liberty university” is, but I do know the basic tenets of debate do not allow for personal attacks and name calling. Those would be reserved for squabbling over dinner. Please TedLogan, share your educational background, your qualifications to debate this logically. I don’t need to discuss this with one who is not objective, just pours out insults, and only speaks from your belief system. As of yet, I have not heard you make any sort of based argument, just plenty of insults when someone has a differing opinion. It’s all good. We know how to tune people like you out.

  • Crunch

    If we all descended from Adam and Eve, does that mean we’re all related? We know that procreation within the same bloodline can cause all kinds of problems. After 6000 years of that, I’d think the human race would be a mess.

  • Guest

    If we are all descendants of Adam and Eve, wouldn’t we all be related? We know that procreation within the same bloodline can cause all kinds of problems. After 6000 years of populating the earth that way, I’d think the human race would be pretty messed up.

  • Brian

    Would you? There are in fact many scientific theories of gravity.

  • Bellyn

    I think you just answered your own question. Why does “anyone” choose to do one thing or the other? Because they CAN. And the basis of faith is believing without “proof.”

  • Bellyn

    It means nothing that THE evidence of “evolution” was directly tied to Darwin and his theories means “nothing.” You can’t be serious. Baffled.

  • Bellyn

    Ummm, I beg your pardon, but that is probably one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read. “Truth” is the definition of what a person believes BY choice. I believe in God’s truth, and have absolutely no concern as to what you consider to be yours.

  • Bellyn

    Your are partially correct. Evolution did not occur this way, but I was not speaking of evolution in itself. I am speaking of the precursor to evolution, which is the scientific communities stance that everything originated “randomly” after a specific event, i.e., “The Big Bang.”

  • ManyCalledFewChosen

    Be a little careful with that statement. The (1611 KJV) is absolutely one of the most accurate translations of the Bible we have in English, yet it is still a translation. Even the translators in the preface of the 1611 give a warning that they did the best they could. Hebrew is a very powerful and deep language compared to English.
    I would say, that if you combine a standard KJV Bible with a James Strong Concordance you will have the best and most accurate study of the original manuscripts you can possibly have.
    The original Word of God documented in the manuscripts is infallible. The manuscripts are locked in by the Massorah so the text cannot be changed and are without error.

  • ManyCalledFewChosen

    There were numerous races created on the 6th day male and female(hunters, fishers). God told them to be fruitful, multiply and subdue the earth.
    God rested on the 7th day, he than creates Adam on the 8th day after realizing he needed a man to till the ground (Farmer in the Hebrew). From Adam’s rib(English translation, actual Hebrew word is “Curve”, more than likely the helix curve from our dna) he creates Eve.
    If, as Peter teaches one day with God is as a thousand years then you could presume that Adam and Eve were created one thousand years after the other races.

    Where does all of this Adam and Eve being the first created come from? It’s not biblical.

  • ZEROGON

    You are living in a make believe world. Nothing that you present is based on biblical revelation You have no proof because what you present is a lie.

  • ManyCalledFewChosen

    Really? Wow didn’t expect that form you. Before you assert that kind of hogwash open your Bible and start reading. It’s only 31 simple verses in the beginning of Genesis. How can you get it wrong?

  • ManyCalledFewChosen

    Further, Cain was banished after he killed his brother Abel.
    Cain traveled to the land of Nod, found a wife and had children. How could that be possibly? A separate land filled with people? He found a wife and started a family. You can find that in Genesis chapter 4 start reading around verse 8 if your unfamiliar with it.
    Cain was a builder of cities, takes a lot of people to fill a city don’t you think? God didn’t say he built a village.

  • ManyCalledFewChosen

    After you take some time and actually study God’s word, you can apologize at any time.
    I don’t lie and I don’t listen to men. I read God’s word and learn from Him, rightly dividing it chapter by chapter and verse by verse.
    If you don’t understand Genesis and exactly what God teaches than you my friend are the only one living in a make believe world.

  • DeksamTorrac

    Heres a thought: If God can make everything he can change anything, then he can surely change the length of a second of time, simply by changing the effect of gravity to a greater weight. Gravity is produced by electrons spinning faster then the speed of light in every atom, [we can't see this because all we have as a measuring stick that is only the speed of light] thus the high speed electrons create a vortex of time in each atom explaining gravity. Speed up that atom faster and it creates even more gravity also speeding up time. The flood happened as a change of gravity and time, making huge animals now too heavy to walk and die or later drown.

    So what may have happened before the flood took not as much time to do as todays concept of time. Like a record, if you will, being played extra slow, that same record says 6000 years till today, But who knows how slow the record was being played before the flood, millions of years by todays concept of time maybe?…??? Just thinking outside the box =)

  • ManyCalledFewChosen

    You’re correct and it’s a great observation. The same one that drove me into deeper Bible studies to uncovered the truth.

    The Bible, or God does not teach that we all came from Adam and Eve. This is made up by men. Why? I don’t know, because the truth actually brings us more inline with science.

    Grab a Bible and open it up to the very first page of Genesis, within a couple of minutes we will read the truth.

    There were numerous races created on the 6th day male and female(hunters, fishers). God told them to be fruitful, multiply and subdue the earth.
    God rested on the 7th day. Starting a whole new chapter, Genesis 2, he than creates Adam on the 8th day after realizing he needed a man to till the ground (Farmer in the Hebrew). From Adam’s rib(English translation, actual Hebrew word is “Curve”, more than likely the helix curve from our dna) he creates Eve.
    If, as Peter teaches one day with God is as a thousand years then you could presume that Adam and Eve were created one thousand years after the other races.
    Where does all of this Adam and Eve being the first created come from? It’s not biblical.

  • Crunch

    If this detail was was “made up by men” then it’s probable that there are many other details that are incorrect as well. Particularly with writings that have been translated and interpreted over and over for thousands of years. Similar to the grapevine effect.

  • ManyCalledFewChosen

    Well, yes and no. That has been an amazing journey for myself, One that we all have to sort out. Once I personally accepted that all of this just didn’t happen and there has to be intelligent design, then I had to accept that He wouldn’t have a problem getting His message written.
    That lead me to sort out the truth of His message and where to find it. God and Jesus warn numerous times throughout scripture of false religions and man made doctrines. After all, it was the very organized religion of the time that crucified Jesus.
    There is truth if you search it out. Only one original Bible was ever written, it’s made up of manuscripts written in Hebrew and Greek. Those manuscripts have been coded and locked in by the Massorah. God used this to protected His word from the grapevine effect. In all of my studies and searching I have found that the KJV Bible is the most accurate to the original manuscripts. If you combine the King James version Bible, with a James Strong Concordance which allows you to check the English with the Hebrew and Greek of the originals then you pretty much have it.
    There are churches that teach chapter by chapter and verse by verse. You will need to find one of them if you Choose or want fellowship.

  • david knight

    I fish a lot and part of the debate was stating that plants can’t grow under water for very long time but I can tell you the trees have been under the lakes for years. And they still grow after the water goes down the trees still grow.also in my area in the high desert there is a hill called shark’s tooth Mountain. You can go there and sift through the ground and find sharks teeth. there is no other way that they could have gotten there but by flood.

  • Adam Schondelmaier

    RNA is NOT made from proteins. RNA is made of nucleic acids, the same stuff that DNA is made from (except that one of the nitrogenous bases is switched for a similar one in RNA).

  • Adam Schondelmaier

    Although there ARE a lot of fossils and bones of “apemen”, you do realize that bones need specific environments in order to stay…bones. And that to become fossils, they also need specific environments. There is still plenty of fossil evidence, but there isn’t going to be a set of remains for every thing that ever lived.

  • Adam Schondelmaier

    Is there a difference between “learning from experience” and “considering the past, applying it to the present, and improving the future”? That sounds EXACTLY like learning from experience.

  • Blake Knight

    Like Christianity?

  • F_I_R_E

    It’s always hilarious watching theists talk about the “lack of evidence” to back up the theory of evolution (even though there’s tons of it), when there is not a SINGLE shred of evidence for the existence of any god whatsoever. The Bible is merely a collection of largely anonymous writings carefully selected by humans with an agenda. It’s no more evidence of the existence of God than Lord of the Rings is evidence of the existence of hobbits.

    The other thing that’s amusing is the arrogance of theists. While scientists refer to evolution as a theory, theists think they KNOW that God exists and that it’s an absolute FACT. Such delusion, ignorance and arrogance, and that’s exactly what was on display from this Ham guy whose stance is essentially “what it says in this book is 100% true and nothing anyone ever says can ever change that”, therefore it was utterly pointless debating him.

    I feel sorry for the poor children that get brainwashed into believing in god. It’s nothing more than socially acceptable child abuse, carried out by their own ignorant parents. The more religious the parents, the more stupid the things they say and do, such as believing that the Earth could possibly be 6,000 years old and that a person had 2 of each of the millions of species of animal on a wooden boat. LOL. Hopefully people with a bit more sense continue challenging these largely right-wing fools who want to send America back to the dark ages.

  • ZEROGON

    The crux in understanding the book of Genesis is the book itself exposes the inability for men to listen to God. Seems we humans always want to do things our way and not his. Adam – Eve – the first born human Cain, all made important decisions in their lives, that were certainly contrary to God. The same can be said with how the first few verses, in the very first chapter of the bible were altered in translation by scholarly men, men who were more eager to have, and do things their way, verses, the way God intended.The world has been suffering because of that stubborn human inequality ever since, and that weakness in all of us – from the beginning – has caused our knowledge bank to be altered, setting humanity on a course for ruin.

    Instead of proving God at his word – like he insists we do, mankind would much rather spend his time leisurely arguing pathetic nonsense that doesn’t profit anyone, such as intrinsic theories, or, any one of the thousands of differing religious forays that have plagued civilization since time began.

    I would suggest that you give yourself an apology, because you have followed your own human-reasoning, rather than, the inspired words of Almighty God.

    That said, I will relay to you, the answer that seems to have eluded you, that is, if you’re interested, if not, you are free to turn your back and walk away.

    The subject at hand doesn’t present itself with many facts, but, what information there is, should be sufficient enough for anyone who approaches the subject with an open and honest mind.

    Below are the facts…

    The bible plainly tells us that man was created on the sixth day, and on the seventh day, the Lord rested from all his labors.
    In Genesis 2:7, it reads, “Then the Lord formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being”

    Of course the argument here will be, that no name was applied to the individual just created, at least not in that verse, but notice what 1Corrinthians 15:45 says, “Thus it is written, ‘The first man Adam became a living being, the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.” That verse clearly attaches a name to the person in who’s nostrils God breathed the breath of life. As verse 8 in Genesis, it tells us, that God planted a garden – calling it Eden, and there he placed the man.

    The information given so far should be enough proof for anyone having an open mind, but, I’ll present even more.

    Further down, in verses 18-thru-23 it describes the creation of the first woman, notice especially the last part of verse 23….”she shall be called woman, for she was taken out of man.” – Again, this nameless woman could be anyone, but whoever she was, this woman became Adams wife, as we are told in verse 24.

    Now we know that the first man (Adam) and his newlywed were in the garden of Eden. In the next chapter this unknown woman is given a name…notice..chapter three, verse twenty….”Adam named his wife Eve, because she became the mother of all the living” – and if the statement “mother of all the living” means anything to us, it should relay the crystal-clear message that Adam and Eve were the only two individual human-beings alive (at the time) on the planet. There is not a shred of evidence that points toward another conclusion. In fact, we are told that on the seventh day, God rested from all his work. The bible, clearly and emphatically states, that Gods creative work was through.

    As far as your assumption about a thousand years for a day goes, that theory doesn’t fit the chronology of biblical generations.

    The bible says Adam lived to be 930 years old, now that’s almost one-sixth the span of all recorded time. One has to take into consideration Cain having Enoch and so on down the line.

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    I will admit, this subject doesn’t present itself with all that much evidence, but, what there is, should be enough to give us the sufficient answer, that is, if one is honest with himself.

  • Lance Repp

    Glenn,The Caucasian race originated about 40,000 years ago in an area of Northwest Africa (around Ethiopia, Eritrea,Somalia and Sudan) and moved northward into the Middle East,Europe and the far east (India ,Pakistan,south Arabian penninsula) It’s not too far from where the biblical account of the area in Iraq where man was thought to have originated. (around the Tigris and Euphrates rivers.) Around 10,000 years ago a mutation in the skin color gene made a lot of the Caucasians very light which made them more adaptable to less sunlight areas of Europe. That group of Caucasian individuals from the Caucasus mountains (hence the name of the Caucasian race ) moved into western Europe and the middle East around 10,000 years ago as well. The only remaining original North African Caucasian group left in Africa lives in Eritrea (near Ethiopia and Sudan). Most Caucasians who live in North Africa today are descendants of tribes (Semites) who reinvaded North Africa and other parts of the Middle East from Summaria (Iraq). This trek is chronicled in the three holy books. (Bible, Torah and the Khoran).

  • ZEROGON

    You’re one of the few who believe in creation, who actually has an opened mind to think for themselves, just maybe, there might be more to the story of creation then what most religious thinkers have understood about the first few verses in the entire bible. And if one thinks about it, what better way for Satan the-devil to throw men off in their understanding (of Gods instruction manual for them to live by) then at the very beginning. I mean If we start out our journey in the wrong direction, we might not ever find our way.

    See if this makes any sense to you. In Job 38 the created angels were in a state of awe, when they witnessed, first hand, Gods creative abilities when he brought-forth the universe right before their eyes. (vrs seven)

    That verse is very important…It shows that the angels were created before the physical universe. Most biblical students are familiar with the account of God placing one third of his created angelic beings on earth as a test to try the metal of their faith. These creatures, were as the bible indicates, created a little higher than the human kind, so the question must be ask, what kind of creative abilities, or skills did they possess – after all, looking at the genius of mans creative abilities, one has to wonder at what level might the angels have been on.

    Off topic for a second…think of a jury-room, where there are twelve people who have to come together as one group expressing the same opinion. Not an easy task to say the least. Now, compare that jury room to Lucifer before he convinced one third of all the angels to sin. As are some people, there are many who are easily convinced – others though prove to be quite a bit tougher to sway. This is probably also true in the angelic world.

    With that said, the deception of the angels may have required Lucifer (now Satan) millions of years to achieve, and that doesn’t take into consideration how long these beings were on the earth before envy and lust for total power entered into the mind of Lucifer, again, that could have been millions of years too. Then, to add to that, how much time did the actual rebellion (war) against God last before God cast the sinning angels back to earth. The bible doesn’t say for sure, but by the deduction of logic, this earth could be utterly millions – if not billions of years old.

    Another thought, during our human experience we are blessed to have birds of the air – fish of the sea – beasts of the earth etc….so why not also in the angelic created world. Even creatures such as having very large bodies (what we call) dinosaurs roaming the earth. If these very large mammoth-beasts, did in fact, freely wander about, the spirit created angelic beings wouldn’t need worry about being crushed – on the other hand, there are some creationist, who argue and suggest, that the dinosaurs were created in the same Genesis week that men were, is there any wonder, that those who believe in fantastical theories (evolution) find that story a bit foolish.

    Could it be that the creationist are just as wrong in some of their beliefs as the evolutionist.

    My belief is, when war erupted in heaven against God, the whole cosmos (earth included) became void – empty – dark without form, just by looking back to the last world war, we see that those conditions were found and any honest person would have to agree that the conditions are very close.A war in heaven caused the universe to change in appearance from what God had originally created it.

    Where did all the dinosaurs go, including neanderthalic man-like-creatures. The bible gives the answer, it was when God ended the war in heaven by casting Satan and his demons back to earth, the crashing impact probably caused more of an explosion than several atomic bombs detonating simultaneously

    One more thought…how long did the earth sit in a state of decay and ruin before God renewed the face of the earth. Because in the original Hebrew writing of Genesis .where it says – (The earth “was” without form and shape) should read…”The earth became tohu and bohu”

  • Fresh Mountain Air

    Although it can be humiliating, civilization’s preservation and advance depends upon learning from our inevitable mistakes and accidents.

  • russellmuscle1

    OMG 3 hours of that garbage had to be torture!! How stupid and pointless, arguing science with faith. You may as well argue apples vs oranges. For Bill Nye to be such a great intellect, he sure does constantly engage in childish, petty and meaningless dribble. You know, a scientist should try to do things to help humanity, not devote his time to arguing with people he doesn’t agree with and being a guest on divisive political talk shows that only smart @ss kids watch. A Christian could also use his time much better then to encourage these people.
    Let me guess what the result of that debate was…….
    Not one person’s opinion was changed. The faithful are still faithful and the not faithful are still not convinced. Oh, and everyone is pissed off. Hooray, you’ve accomplished nothing!

  • ManyCalledFewChosen

    I am completely amazed at your ability to puff yourself up as you stray far from truth. You remind me so much of Paul, so zealous, God loved him so much and yet he was so far off the mark Jesus had to give him a big correction on the road to Damascus. God’s warns numerous times of His children hardening their hearts and foreheads, dreaming up their own salvation.
    In some of your other replies you are so close to truth but then you engage in the very things you espouse against. I would also suggest to you, read with an open mind, we all might just learn something together.

    In regards to Adam and Eve, you display a very nice story but in order to make it fit you leave out scripture and fill it in with fiction.

    I specifically referenced Cain being banished and traveling to the land of Nod. Like others, you so conveniently leave that out of your story. Why? Because it doesn’t fit your story line does it?

    In another post you clearly have knowledge that the English translation of the word “was” in Gen 1:2 is actually “became” in the Hebrew. So why don’t you understand the difference between Adam the man and Adam mankind.
    Adam without the article denotes man or mankind in general. With the article denotes the man Adam. Adam the man or men is used to describe the descendants of Adam, hence Christ is called “the Son of Adam” not the son of Enosh.
    With the particle(eth) in addition to the article it is very emphatic, and means self, the same or very same. This is very critical in understanding Genesis. Because nowhere in Genesis is Adam directly mentioned or referenced as an individual until Gen 2:7. You should take some time to understand this.
    This is one clear reason why you are guilty of everything you suggest in your second and third paragraphs.
    You have not listed all of the facts but have skipped over very important and meaningful scripture.
    So let’s list the actual facts;

    Gen 1:26 And God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth”

    First, fully understand God is directly quoted here.
    The use of “man” is not emphatic (no article, no particle) means mankind not Adam.
    Nowhere does God mention a man to till the ground yet. You cannot presume it or add it, God does not make mistakes.
    Also, note that the translators very specifically capitalize the words “Us” and “Our”. They want the reader to understand that in the Hebrew this is emphatic! “Us”, plural meaning God and His children (Elohim). “Our image”, “after Our Likeness” meaning exact spiritual duplicate or blue print created in the flesh. Not a singular person Adam, but all of mankind.

    Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

    This verse is additional to the previous adding in the spirit of God to the equation. Also making it clear there were males and females created in a group at the same time. Again, no article or particle man=mankind.

    Gen1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.”

    Again, God is directly quoted here. He gives “them”(plural) the dominion to fish and hunt but nothing about tilling the ground. Not a mistake, cannot be conveniently added or assumed by you or anyone else.

    God continues creating in verses 29 and 30.

    Gen1:31 And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

    Creation done! “behold” it was very good!
    7th day, God rests, blesses it and sanctifies it.

    In Genesis 2:4 we begin with the Generations of the creation and a very specific “man”(eth-ad-um) a man to till the ground, a separate task which was never before mentioned. This is a special person that will have a special wife created from him for him. This will be the blood line that will bring us Christ. That is why 1st Cor 15:45 reads like it does. Umbilical cord to umbilical cord Eve is the mother of all living. Christ is the last Adam, only through Christ will we have eternal life not that all mankind comes from Adam and Eve.
    This is also the reasoning for their genealogy to be specified throughout Genesis and scripture. The same reason Satan attacks this blood line directly throughout trying to prevent or corrupt the birth of Christ.
    There are many attacks, his first major attack is in the Garden. Another that took hundreds of years to clean up and was started by a group of fallen angels that left their habitations to take flesh women as wife’s and have children. We can read of this in;
    Genesis 6:1 in Genesis 6:2 the term “sons of God” means (Angels) in the Hebrew.
    In Genesis 6:4 it explains mighty men and giants were created because of this. “Men of old”, “men of re-nown” Fallen angels from the first world age. A earth and heaven age that God had destroyed during the rebellion of Satan. His children he left to be born in the flesh giving them an opportunity of repentance and salvation, innocent of their original mistakes. A last chance before final judgment.

    God was grieved by this and was going to destroy it all. But in Genesis 6:9 we find Noah a just man perfect not in sin but perfect in his “generations”, his pedigree in the Hebrew. Noah and his family had not intermixed with the fallen angels.
    So God flooded the land to preserve the blood line and flush out the hybrids.
    There was a second influx, Goliath and the Philistines, David and his armies finally cleared them out.
    Jesus teaches and explains this in the parable of the “Tares” also Jude 6, 2nd Peter 2:4 clearly documenting it.

    I stop due to the length, but I want to clarify one other statement you made.
    I do not assume anything in God’s Word. I don’t mention it unless I have fully study it at great depth with prayer and understanding. A day with God is a thousand years, not a theory as you suggest, but documented by Peter in 2nd Peter3:8.

  • ZEROGON

    I feel sorry for you. For it is you who have been brain washed. Not that there isn’t those who aren’t brainwashed who regularly profess their belief in God. The great majority of these, have not proven God to themselves, no more, than those who believe in evolution have proved an unprovable worthless theory to themselves.

    But I will say this and talk about destroying young minds before they are capable of rational thinking for themselves, those who argue against a divine God, then go about the practice of using the very creation he built in a failed attempt to prove life without a creator is a joke, but guess what, God is not laughing, because you lead our young children away from him in order to follow the ignorance of men.

    God clearly tells all humans, to prove him at his word, instead, multiple-millions try to prove just the opposite and it cannot, nor will it ever be accomplished. And shame on them who say they know him, but have never proven him to be real, even after he says it can be done.

  • ZEROGON

    I understand that with God, a thousand years is as one day and one day as a thousand years. But what you portray its meaning to be, is hypothetical at best. As I said, there wouldn’t be enough time for the generations to play themselves out in sequential order – that sir, is your self-proclaimed theory, not mine.

    Let me ask you this, what would have happened, if Adam and Eve would have listened to God and not eaten of the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil, but instead, ate from the tree of life. We all know that didn’t happen, they instead listened to the god-of-this-world, and because of that decision, they were sentenced to six Godly days (or six thousand years) to hard labor and they were forced to till the earth and women, would suffer birth-pains. Tilling the earth was the penalty Adam and Eve incurred because of their monumental sin. Men have been sentenced to six-thousand years of hard labor ever since.

    When Christ returns, the earth will be ruled by him for one thousand years, (or one Godly Sabbath Day). The Godly week will be finished.

    Did you know that the angels were all created at one time, and before the material universe existed, there was no need for procreation – therefore, no need for sexual organs in the angelic world, so explain how angels could have sexual intercourse with humans, its impossible. That is also why Satan is so jealous of humans who were created in the image of God, and who do procreate. That is also why the world has experienced such sexual degeneracy from almost the very beginning of our sojourn on the planet.

    Giving your fascinating angelic tale amusement for a minute, I’ll ask this question, “if Noah and his family were of pure race, where did the angelic giants enter-back into the field of vision, if they had previously been eradicated from off the earth, and destroyed in the world encompassing flood”

    Answer these questions if you can…

    > Where are the lost tribes of Israel
    > What is our human potential
    > What does King Nebuchadnezzar dream represent
    > What does the Abomination of desolation spoken by the prophet Daniel represent
    > Who are the four great kings spoken of by Daniel the prophet – Kings of the North, East, South and West

    Answer these correctly and maybe there is hope for you yet.

    By the way, I have no plans for travel in Damascus, nor do I wish any harm toward the future Saints of God.

  • James

    If your faith isn’t based on evidence and “doesn’t make any sense,” then it’s not faith, it’s just wrong. It’s superstition.

  • ManyCalledFewChosen

    Do you not see? Do you not hear?
    Why do you ask questions that were just answered with scripture and fact? Open your eyes and read God’s Word. Start with the very scripture I have already quoted. You keep glossing over fact to ask more questions steeped in confusion.
    -You’re unable to differentiate between Adam and mankind.
    - You’re unable to explain Cain with biblical text.
    - You’re unable to understand any of Genesis 6 or Noah.

    If you do not understand the beginning how can you possibly understand the answers to any of your questions?
    Yes, the “Lords Day” is one thousand years, as is all days with the Lord. I am glad you understand this.

    Adam and Eve were never sentenced to till the earth, that is scripture twisting. They were Created to till the earth (Gen 2:5) long before the sin happened. Their main sentenced and punishment was death.

    God tells you right here;
    Gen 2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
    Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”

    “in the day”, There is that word “day” again. Let’s see no man every made it past a thousand years did they? You correctly already stated Adam’s life, 930 years. I will save you the time because no man made it past 1,000. Methuselah made it the furthest, 969 years.

    I understand your confusion. I already gave you the scripture you needed to cure it. It’s the same confusion the disciples had after Jesus taught the parable of the “Tares”. So, go back and read it. The parable starts in Matt 13:24. Pay very close attention to verses 35 and 36. Verse 35 should raise your awareness and verse 36 should let you know Jesus was very careful at the time. The multitude is sent away and Jesus explains it in detail. This answers your questions pertaining to the garden. Who the “tree” is, what he did, the consequences of it and how it pertains to Genesis 6.

    If you don’t understand this teaching then you do not have the key of David. Without that key you are not of Smyrna or Philadelphia. Therefore, I am casting my pearls before swine answering questions posed in sarcasm and arrogance.

  • ZEROGON

    Jesus warned his disciples, saying, “there be some that trouble you”…meaning, false gospels that contend with the pure and simple plain truth of God. As it was, when the bible was translated into English, Satan influenced the minds of the interpreters to misinterpret the original written meaning, one glaring example is found in Genesis where, what is written in chpt 1 vrs 2 reads – “Now the earth was formless and empty” when it should read..(the earth “became” without form and void)

    That, I’m certain you would agree, was Satan’s attempt to distort the word of God in an effort to deceive and steer any honest sincere person, away from understanding the truth.

    From what is witnessed throughout modern organized religion today – his evil genius worked. Because of this monumental misread, millions upon millions of good honest people have erred in their attempt to find salvation.

    Thanks be to God, that he is always way ahead of the father of lies, and those who are willing to prove him at his word will be spared the coming storm.

    Now after the “great falling away” and Gods voice is once again raised to an amplified level (in a dark and evil world) Satan once again, finds a worm hole to slither through, and once again, he attacks Gods word from the very Genesis of creation, in a very clever attempt to lead people astray. From what I see, he has won you over completely, to bad too, because, just when you were beginning to understand the simple truth of God, your mind has been hijacked to believe a dirty lie.

    I really do feel sorry for you my friend, for it will take Christ himself to set you straight…on that note…I’ve got my salvation to contend with, and bucking heads with the devil does nothing but slows me down…I hope to meet you in the next life, for you seem to be above the average intelligence.

    You know what…its ironic actually, I had already decided that after this story thread, or header from Beck (evolution vrs creation) I realized its every man for himself out there in this ugly evil world, and I decided to draw closer to God and withdraw from commenting, but I wasn’t sure, now thanks to you, you have made my mind up for me.

    May the God of heaven be with you…Z

  • ManyCalledFewChosen

    Thank you for the exchange, I really enjoy deep discussion in God’s Word. You have that in depth thought process and critical thinking skills required to go deep. We absolutely agree on Gen 1:2 the translators made a mistake but that mistake is easily corrected by anyone that takes the time to check it out. As is all others throughout scripture.

    God made a promise, if we seek we shall find. There actually are not that many errors and for the average student a basic KJV will be all they will ever need. For the simple student it’s really easy, repent and accept Jesus as our Lord and savior. With that blessing the world is far from doomed, the love of God and His awesome sacrifice will save many Children.

    As far as Satan, I can assure you he has no power over me or any other Christian that understands Jesus defeated Satan. In Jesus precious name Satan or his little minions turn tail and run. I don’t fear a walking dead man, Michael has a boot on his neck right now and God has already sentenced him to die the second death. He has one more small role to play as anti-Christ, then it’s a dark pit and finally he will be consumed by fire from within. Far from a god and something we should never even suggest.

    In the book of Ezekiel God tells his entire story. He was an angel that rose through the ranks. Not favored but worked hard and earned it. A protecting Cherubim angel, tasked with protecting the Mercy seat, the very seat of Christ. He became jealous, no longer wanting to protect it but sit in it. He started a war and you are correct drew a third of God’s children with him (Rev.12:4).

    That was the first world age, we are in the second age of flesh. To flush out the evil that occurred in the first, make our final choice and be judge accordingly.

    I will see you Zerogon in that third age and will meet. God is not angry with His children that love him. Sure we all disappoint Him, and He doesn’t always love what we do, but He does Love Us…God Bless!

  • Crunch

    I have no doubts that there are many truths in the Bible but it seems that folks pick and choose what to believe based on what is convenient for them. All storys have some truth to them but, with the Bible, there are so many aspects that cast it into a fictional light for me. I think its great that people hold onto that faith and fellowship. The world needs that.
    I think that when people have no where to turn and have little understanding of what’s going on around them, they will latch onto whatever offers some sort of explanation and comfort. No matter how impossible the explanation seems. I believe this would be more true thousands of years ago when extroadinary events occurred. People will take any explanation rather than no explanation.

  • Anonymous

    Your first sentence is so very true, accurate and powerful.
    In the book of Jeremiah God pours His heart out about this very thing. I cannot read it with getting choked up because God pleads with His children to stop the nonsense and listen to Him. Fake gods, human sacrifice, pagan rituals.
    The first thing one must do to be honest is separate God and His Word from religions. You are absolutely correct they pick and choose what they want. Like I stated previously, God warns many times throughout scripture of this happening. When Jesus returns the churches are the first to be judged. Out of the seven churches he only finds favor with two of them. Why? Because of your first sentence, they picked and chose what they wanted to teach. They got some things right but never really locked it down.
    So, with that fact what should we do? I have not found any churches in my area that teach the way God instructed, chapter by chapter. I have been to many churches, listened to their sermons compared it to the truth of God’s Word and never went back. You know what I mean, stand up, sit down, sprinkle this and splash that. They read one verse of God’s Word then rattle on for an hour about how they feel, not what God says, ridiculous!
    We turn to science and get let down with too many theories and lack of proof. Evolution is junk science at best. Nowhere can they demonstrate the process continuing. For it to be scientific fact it can’t just stop or be confused with adaptation. You don’t have to go far beyond the mighty elephant that doesn’t sweat. The only animal that has an amazing cooling system built into its big ears. Their ears are actually large radiators used to cool their blood. Or the giraffe with its large neck that has four separate valves controlling blood flow so it doesn’t pass out when it raises its head. No other animals or species exist like this. Many other examples leave us with little doubt about intelligent design.
    We turn to archaeology which has done more in recent years to prove the bible as fact than the opposite.
    Before my search for answers stopped and I accepted the Bible as the true Word of God I had spent years studying and reading books about life after death experiences. Some were really incredible others highly doubtful. I personally had a grandmother pass away. The last week of her life was spent in a hospital bed pretty much comatose. Except, a couple of hours before her death she sat up perfectly and asked for her clothes. She explained that her former sister which had past twenty years prior and my grandpa which had past 10 years prior were both standing next to her to bring her home. She smiled and conversed with them while we all stood there. This wasn’t a chemical reaction of a dying brain. Hospice workers and pastors often tell of these kinds of experiences.
    I came to the solid conclusion that God couldn’t have created all of these incredible things and failed to secure His written Word. Or allowed it to get so far of the tracks it has become fiction.
    Also, deeply studying and believing the Bible is far from a crutch. It will make you much weaker before you gain any wisdom or strength. You must humble yourself and admit faults within. Then fix those faults without blame or excuse. It’s actually not always easy and why so many fail.
    At the end of the day all God wants is the exact same thing we all want, love. Not fake love or love based on fear but true free will love. All of the sayings are correct, you will never really know if someone loves you until you let them go. See if they return and seek you out with their own free will choice. If they do, you hold something more precious than any creation could give.
    Through all of my searching I was led to a great Biblical teacher. He teaches verse by verse rightly dividing the truth and with original Hebrew meanings. It is out there if we want it. God’s not going to force it or it would be fake.

  • Anonymous

    Here is a pretty good short video on biblical Archaeology.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hX321yDkhs

    Another good video I just watched is below. This directly answers your question. You can forward it to the 39 min mark to get right to the crux of your question.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAp6KUwEBZs

  • Anonymous

    Nope. Evolutionary theory teaches that homo sapiens evolved from its common ancestor with the great apes in a few thousand generations. That’s a MAJOR set of physiological changes. You can breed a few thousand generations of bacteria in a few years.

  • Anonymous

    Incorrect on the dinosaur DNA. It was written about in Scientific American. Not discovered by creationists. Incorrect on stalactite/stalagmite growth. It all depends on drip rates and mineral content in the water. They can grow in weeks or months.

    Radioactive decay rates are incredibly precise. The problem is in knowing initial quantities in your sample. That’s what makes the dating unreliable.

  • Anonymous

    OK. Make up your mind. Either evolution is too slow to observe, or it happens in just a few years.

    Fact is, evolution isn’t interested in time, it’s interested in generations. Secondly, there is a distinct difference between micro and macro evolution. Micro evolution is the shifting of gene expression in response to environmental pressure. Happens all the time and is constantly observed. Macro evolution is the introduction of NEW information into the system. Never been observed, never been reproduced experimentally. And the mathematics of information theory says it’s probably not possible because DNA is not information, DNA is an information STORAGE system.

  • Anonymous

    More unscientific drivel. In physics, you get jazzed if someone can break your theory. They don’t have to come up with an alternate. Someone else can do that.

  • Al Bumen

    Although inseparable from liberty, the self-reliance and responsibility required to prosper in a free country can be sources of stress and discontent.

  • Anonymous

    oh yeah, push it farther back when in reality said common ancestor would probably be called an “ape” by any standard meaning of the term.

    Bill Nye is a noob about the difference between a “localized” flood, and a flood that would have covered the entire world (note: it wouldn’t have to go over the himalayas, as it would have been before the himalayas got to the height that they did. Studying sedimentation reveals that once standing water is left to settle, you do INDEED get the kind of layering you see in, say, the grand canyon. Polystrate fossils (those that stick up through several “million years” worth of layers pretty much put a bullet in the idea of it actually being “millions of years worth of layers.” Such as, tree trunks. Tree trunks do not stand around intact for millions of years waiting for sediment to come along and slowly bury it forever.

  • Anonymous

    most university courses have woefully outdated information. But pre-secondary education is the worst for that. Idiots are still putting the fraudulent Haeckel artwork of embryos as evidence of “evolution” (that recapitulation nonsense).

  • Anonymous

    For serious, FAR too many people confuse “evolution” with “HOW FREAKING SEXUAL REPRODUCTION WORKS” (and some variant forms of nonsexual reproduction).

    The thing you seem to be missing is, we’ll always be human. We’ll never “become” (as a “species”) something else that isn’t “human” by any meaningful sense of the term. Dogs will always be dogs (be they dogs, wolves, coyotes, etc). Cats will always be cats (regardless of Tiger, House cat, Lion, etc). You can get a staggering degree of variation (DUH this is how sexual reproduction WORKS), but this doesn’t mean that bacteria slowly changed into people.

  • Anonymous

    Evolutionists can be biased.

  • Noetic

    You must have gone to a pretty terrible university.

  • Noetic

    The overwhelming consensus of the experts in all of the relevant areas agree that the theory of evolution is accurate. Therefore, it seems that if you are a creationist you are faced with two possibilities. Either (A) the overwhelming majority of the experts in every relevant field all over the world at all of the best universities are all in collusion in a massive conspiracy to deny your religion, or (B) you are somehow smarter and more knowledgeable about their areas then they are despite the fact that each of them has devoted decades to rigorously researching their areas.

    Also, yes evolution is a theory, and that is a good thing. A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation. Scientific theories are testable and make falsifiable predictions. They describe the causal elements responsible for a particular natural phenomenon, and are used to explain and predict aspects of the physical universe or specific areas of inquiry. Scientists use theories as a foundation to gain further scientific knowledge, as well as to accomplish goals such as inventing technology or curing disease. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge. This is significantly different from the common usage of the word “theory”, which implies that something is a guess, unsubstantiated or speculative.

  • Jonathan Biviano

    Please provide ONE instance where any scientist has seen one species become another. Key word is species, not genus. Different species can’t reproduce with each other. There is no species we have pushed to adapt into a huge variety of purposes more than dogs. Yet if you put a tea cup poodle’s sperm with a Great Dane ova, you would get a dog. Never once in the recorded history of mankind, as we mated and mixed dogs trying to get whatever trait we wanted, has a non-canine been born, despite millions and millions of breedings with intent.
    So a “well substantiated” explanation it is not. Saying that adaptation substantiates evolution is like saying that if you’ve seen one immigrant driving slow, all immigrants do everything slow. Adaptation is a wonderful thing. It is not evolution, nor does it prove it.
    When the first “ancient” bones were found they were sent off to 7 different universities for dating. The results came back at 2,000 to over 2,000,000 years old, with no cluster of close results. The “scientists” picked the 2,000,000 because it fit their theory.
    When “scientists” thought the world was flat, and a ship sailed west and never returned, it “proved” their assertions. Never mind it sunk in a storm. When scientists see a significant adaptation, they say “See! Evolution happens!” The problem is you can only get from wolves to terriers and danes, not from wild dogs to pigs or humans. For evolution to be proven, you have to go species to species, from one celled organism to human with hundreds of other species changes along the way. Yet scientists, and thousands of years of non-scientist human forced adaptation, has NEVER made one species produce a different species. EVER.

  • Noetic

    So you fall into the camp of thinking you’re smarter or more knowledgeable than the experts in all these areas. You think you’ve some how stumbled onto some amazing realization that none of those experts have thought of. Do you really think that they are all that stupid? That you know more about this than them? You could find out hundreds of pages of information on this by simply goolging ‘speciation’ or ‘observed speciation’ or ‘evidence for speciation’. Here, I did it for you, enjoy the long lists of examples and evidence and explanations. Have a good read, (spoiler alert!) you’re wrong.

    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

    http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html

    http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_45

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation

    http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

    http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/100201_speciation

    http://evolutionwiki.org/wiki/Observed_speciation

    Oh, once upon a time before we even had modern science humans thought the earth was flat? I guess because a lot of humans were wrong about something a really long time ago suddenly the consensus of experts in science doesn’t matter at all. Since its possible they could be wrong, we should just abandon all scientific theories like the theory of gravity and germ theory. I mean, who cares about all the evidence for all of it? *sarcasm*

  • bryan

    So many ways to respond – wish I could debate that foolish Nye. He swallows all that was fed to him when science-lovers are supposed to see the facts, and multiple facts emerged from studies of the cell (irreducible complexity)and from dna study, proving creation. Why is it always a story of The Emperor’s New Clothes over and over in life?

  • Noetic

    Ironic, do you know what psychological projection is? Where did you read that science supports creation? From a creationist? I bet it wasn’t from a paper in an academic peer reviewed database.

  • Abbott

    Isn’t it just as easy to believe that yes there is a god, spirituality does exist. but because the bible is flawed by humans handling it and re-writing it, and because science is still far from knowing everything, we can’t rule out each others beliefs, yes Noah’s global flood seems silly and is much more believable that that happened on a smaller scale. Like in some region where a small amount of animals and resources were kept on a smaller boat and noah was warned by god and so on. I believe God is the spark of the big bang, that god is energy, he expands with the universe, he gives us spiritual energy, he animates our conciousness. It doesn’t literally have to mean that every bible story you read should make you disregard facts that you could dig up in your own yard. There is so much you could take from the bible as life lessons, morals, and truly energizing, faith stimulating word. But you don’t have to commit yourself to defending it all as physically documented history and fact. Is it also possible that God’s influence on life was purely spiritual and he didn’t ever physically make things happen, simply put the energy in motion to influence them. I wrote a thesis on energy in the universe, and there is a much more sensible and peaceful approach to fuse the 2 sides together and not make this a debate. Dr. Ham’s theory isn’t necesarilly a viable teaching method for youth, but the point he made of simply teaching observational science and not pushing that 1 theory was the only way to think logically was a good point, children should be able to explore options of thinking, there shouldn’t be a common core that picks 1 thing as the right way to think. We need children to be able to think and act different, that is how new ideas come about. If someone took steve jobs as a boy and stuck him in a common core class, and dosed him up on ADD meds, maybe he would have never done what he did with apple. just embrace each other, stop the debate of how we should think. There are bigger problems on the horizon, like Obama and his destructive agenda.

  • Brian L Claar

    I am finding it increasingly difficult to remain a right-wing conservative due to the ignorant ramblings of people like Glenn Beck.