WATCH: The dirty secrets about Common Core no one talks about Thursday, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:50 PM EDT Johnathan Read The last HALF of this has NO sound !!! landofaahs You mean “Rotten to the Core”. Landree First, many college successful college dropout entrepreneurs did so with ideas for companies. Examples are Bill Gates from Harvard, Mark Zuckerberg from Harvard, Google’s Larry Page from Stanford. I’m guess success stories like these are result of extraordinary drive and intellect, not because they didn’t have education standards in high school. My guess is the high schools they attended had very similar math curriculum to Common Core’s. Glenn says standards will turn our kids into robots for industry. OK, I looked at the common core curriculum. The math standards seem well planned. I’m an engineer and these standards seem more advanced than my pre-college education. I wish I had modeling and statistics by 12th grade. What I saw in the math standards were excellent tools for kids to start to imagine how to quantify ideas. If business was trying to create robot workers like Beck claims, I would expect to see courses specific to businesses like Dot Net programming or car assembly. Furthermore, quickly looking at the standards it doesn’t appear there’s any industry specific outlines. The subjects appear more about thinking and the tools to learn than pigeonholing kids. I don’t like the idea of taking creativity from teachers, but the quality of education in this country varies widely and we rank dangerously low globally. It appears the majority of the states have already adopted it. I don’t know if it’s a good thing to standardize, but one thing is for sure, if kids don’t learn to read and think, other countries will beat us and foreign investors will put their money with the winners. ThorsteinVeblen2012 The very wealthy have taken over both parties and captured the government. Under the guise of liberalism or conservatism the ultimate outcome is the same. More control, less freedom. First is was “No Child Left Behind” now it is “Common Core.” They’ll attack liberal professors in one administration and declining test scores in another. The end result in the same. To make robots who can’t think for themselves. More than anything they are afraid we will figure out how badly they’re screwing us and rebel against them. More tax cuts for the wealthy stimulated the economy? Are these people working harder? http://richkidsofinstagram.tumblr.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Revan Well Glenn with all the liberals acting like sheep I do not think anything can be done. Roger Fredinburg Landree? You make exceptional points except that you are comparing high genius intellects who didn’t go to PUBLIC SCHOOLS as you know them … Read Charlotte Iserbyt’s anthology “The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America” She was in Reagans EDU Admin and has really nailed down why this is soooo bad! They are “Dog Training” the kids today… Just read her book, it cheap, On Amazon … you will be back to apologize! Landree My points about those smart guys was a rebuttal to Beck’s claim that drop-outs make great entrepreneurs. I don’t get why Beck would encourage dropping out or an education system is what, so uninteresting kids would want to drop out to be entrepreneurs? I don’t know what his point is about drop-outs. You’re absolutely right, the super successful drop-outs I mentioned are exceptional, not average kids. I don’t know if standardization is a good thing. My comment was mainly about Common Core’s math standard. It’s quite good, so I don’t understand how kids get dumbed down by it, unless teachers teach to a test and kids memorize without understanding. But then, isn’t it the teachers responsibility to help kids understand? You can be sure our global competitors are rigorous with academic standards, and so should we be. There’s too much at stake and now is the time. We’re already behind. Thanks for the recommendation. I’ll take a look. BevM In Common Core, if you ask an elementary student what 2+2 is and they say 5, if they can tell the teacher how they came to that conclusion, it’s CORRECT. Tell me how that makes the math curriculum good. The STATES, not the FEDERAL GOVT. should decide curriculum of their schools, of their students’ needs. This was created by Bill Gates and turns our kids in to Guinea Pigs and makes him MUCH richer. Common Core proponents claim that it is not a federal mandate, instead using language like “state-led” and “voluntary.” The Common Core website asserts, “The federal government was NOT involved in the development of the standards.” It states that Common Core is not a national curriculum, but “a clear set of shared goals and expectations for what knowledge and skills will help our students succeed.” Diane Ravitch, a former assistant U.S. secretary of education who was appointed to office by both Clinton and George H.W. Bush, recently changed her mind about Common Cause. Ravitch now refutes claims by Obama and Common Core that the standards were created by the states and voluntarily adopted by them. She writes in The Washington Post, “They were developed by an organization called Achieve and the National Governors Association, both of which were generously funded by the Gates Foundation. There was MINIMAL public engagement in the development of the Common Core. Their creation was neither grassroots nor did it emanate from the states.” Instead, Common Core is being driven by policymakers in D.C. Common Core is set up in such a way that it can hardly be called voluntary. The Obama administration’s grant program offers “Race to the Top” federal educational grants – which come from stimulus funds – to states if their school systems adopt preferred Obama policies like Common Core. States that adopt Common Core receive higher “scoring” from the Obama administration in their grant applications. As a result of this coercion, only Nebraska, Alaska, Texas, Virginia and Minnesota have not adopted Common Core. Minnesota adopted the language arts standards but kept its own math standards. There is no evidence that the curriculum works, and it will destroy innovation amongst the states. Ravitch writes, “We are a nation of guinea pigs, almost all trying an unknown new program at the same time…Would the Federal Drug Administration approve the use of a drug with no trials, no concern for possible harm or unintended consequences?” Jane Robbins, a senior fellow for the American Principles Project, writes, “Common Core has never been piloted. How can anyone say it is good for kids when it’s not in place anywhere?” In fact, the results are coming in and they are the opposite. A principal in the Midwest told Ravitch that “his school piloted the Common Core assessments and the FAILURE RATE ROCKETED UPWARDS, especially among the students with the highest needs.” Does this sound like something that is good for American students? The STATES are supposed to be in charge of their own schools, not more Obama CONTROL. Do YOU have kids in school? Montesquieu Unlike socialist quacks, individualists searched for institutions that would voluntarily motivate individuals to unleash their potential. BevM You’re right about both parties. However, Obama is a special kind of evil. He proudly broadcasts how proud he is of his “Fundamental Transformation of America” while lying every time he opens his mouth. We’re just not used to being told exactly how bad we’re being screwed, in some cases until it’s too late (“If you like your plan/doctor, you can keep your plan/doctor. PERIOD.” A PLANNED lie by the Democrats for election purposes. I think that’s far worse than what Republicans have done, but I don’t know everything either. I just know America is in grave danger and if we don’t revolt soon, we’ll have no country to call home. Guardian Common Core is turning schools into re-education camps for liberalism, with political statements masquerading as English lessons. The material uses subliminal messages to change political views and behavior. As an example, a worksheet asks students to rewrite sentences to make them “less wordy.” Sentences like, “The commands of government officials must be obeyed by all.” Other examples: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/111513-679531-common-core-says-government-must-be-obeyed.htm?ven=rss Sandra Stotsky (a leading education reform scholar) who served as a senior associate commissioner in the Massachusetts Department of Education and worked on the National Validation Committee for the Common Core State Systemic Initiative, writes in the Wall Street Journal that the national standards won’t help students get into selective colleges. She says that Common Core national standards are leaving students unprepared for science, technology, engineering and math (STEM)as they “…. who study under these standards won’t receive anywhere near the quality of education that children in the U.S. did even a few years ago…” The new standards are forcing lessons to revolve around data and testing with methods and strategies that are counter-intuitive. “The standards were created by private organizations in Washington, D.C., without input from teachers or parents and absent any kind of study or pilot test to prove its effectiveness. In fact, the only mathematician and the only ELA [English Language Arts] expert on the validation committee refused to sign off on the standards because they are inadequate,” according to Glyn Wright, executive director of The Eagle Forum. The old way: http://www.thedailysheeple.com/1960s-subliminal-video-of-national-anthem-hides-mkultra-message-to-obey-government_082013 Anonymous Yeah, right. Might as well just give up. (sarc. off) Anonymous I see your points and I see pros and cons of Common Core. I did not see in the math standard that if a student can explain an incorrect math answer, the teacher would mark it correct. The math standard looked very rigorous. Common Core is reflective of global standards. The US has seriously slipped in global rankings and the Common Core standard forces kids to learn more faster to be globally competitive. That tells us that the current state of academics is severely lacking. I can see the cons, but I don’t agree that standards strip kids of individuality. On the contrary, these subjects give kids tools for learning so they can pursue their own ideas. Anonymous I teach at a state university. The kids that come to my classes have graduated from High School. They are college freshmen who, among other things, do not know how to add fractions. I learned how to add fractions in 3rd grade. In the course of solving a math problem, I ask them “How much is 24 + 38?” Out come the calculators. I tell them, “Put those things away!” Kids have no number sense when they are not required to construct and memorize addition and multiplication tables and understand the relation between the elements on the addition and times tables. When they get an answer with a calculator they have no idea whether it is reasonable or not. If you know how to add, you can find the answer in literally 2 or 3 seconds in your head. Here’s another example: 12 – 5 + 4 = ? Answer? 11 How did you do that? You probably said 12 – 5 = 7 and 7 + 4 = 11. This calculation illustrates a mathematical concept known as “Order of Operations” which is used in Algebra, Geometry, Calculus, Linear Algebra, etc. These are courses needed by kids majoring in the sciences – STEM subjects – an area where USA used to be tops and is now striving to hang onto 17th place, or something like that. How does Common Core work this example? Let’s look: Take one from the 12 and add it to the 4. Then the 4 becomes a 5 and the 12 becomes 11. Then take the last 5 and subtract the other 5 from it and they cancel each other out and you are left with the 11. There are textbooks full of this garbage. This makes a kid re-invent the wheel every time s/he does this sort of calculation; it requires involuted, convoluted logic and is a big waste of time. Mathematics is a language with syntax and grammar. Math and STEM require development of logical, linear thinking. The way you get the answer does matter – it has implications for future topics that will be studied. If you learned the Common Core math method of solving the above problem, how would you go about simplifying the following expression? 3 ( x + 4 ) – 6 / ( x + 2 ) Deer in the headlights. Common Core doesn’t teach a student to use concepts they have learned and apply those concepts to extrapolate and solve progressively more complex problems – that’s the essence of learning. If you learned the first method we talked about, when you advanced to the level where you would use this concept of “Order of Operations” to simplify an algebraic expression like the one above, you would use that same concept, in a logical extension the way you learned to solve the mathematics problem. Listen, People! You don’t want your kids trying to learn math this way – there is no progression, no continuum, no building of one concept upon another – no wonder kids are failing the PARCC exams, crying, banging their heads on the desks, and telling their parents they hate math! What are we doing to our kids, and by extension to the future of our nation? This Common Core goofiness is a horrifically poor excuse for a solid Mathematical education, and is not going to make our kids internationally competitive — or even prepare them to make a decent living!!!! Attend your local and state School Board meetings and speak out!! Write legislators, send editorials to your local newspapers, start a blog, whatever – Anonymous Landree — I do not know where you went to high school, but more than what the students are taught, the problem is how they are taught. You have not seen the textbooks; go check them out — the way they present topics is bizarre. (Check out my response to a previous comment. This stuff is bad . .) Common Core does not encourage creative thinking — it requires strict adherence to pre-ordained guidelines, and the tests are designed to accept answers conforming to only the deficient solution methods prescribed in the Common Core texts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8FvmesaxXg Revan Never give up that is how I feel and besides the hard battles are the most interesting battles. Anonymous Landree — ” . . . unless teachers teach to a test and kids memorize without understanding.” That is precisely the point — Common Core curriculum defines explicitly what teachers must teach and how they must teach it — they don’t have the freedom, under this system, to teach the material in an understandable manner. Teaching to a test and memorization without understanding, is exactly the goal. Teachers are disciplined for deviating from the Common Core rubric. Again — do go to your school district and check out the textbooks they are using, if they are committed to Common Core. You say you are an engineer — I believe you will be appalled. Anonymous His point is – it’s not an educational system. That’s the part you’re missing. It’s better to drop out of it than get brain washed into being stupid. I have a niece-in-law that was valedictorian of her high school class. Her ability to think for herself and process logically is non-existent. But she can quote you a lot of irrelevant information. If she does get something right, she can’t explain the underpinning reasons why it is right. That’s the dumbing down of America that started in the 70s and has progressed to common core today. Anonymous I went to parochial school. I choose to discuss math since that standard has the most comparable courses. We were taught algebra, geometry, trig and pre-calculus in high school. On first glance, Common Core’s math curriculum has subjects that would have better prepared me for engineering college. High school was about understanding math concepts. It seems to me that those concepts are essential. I’m don’t know if standardization is bat, but our country better get its act together because our pathetic global ranking show we’ve been doing something seriously wrong. Anonymous I don’t know enough about Common Core to know how it’s intended to be taught, but why can’t kids understand what’s standard subject matter? When I was in high school, our standard was Regents tests. The good teachers made sure we understood the subject. Take an algebra example: 2x+1=y, find x, x=(y-1)/2. For a kid to answer a test question with a different equation, variables and numbers, they’d have to understand operations on both sides of the equation. I believe there’s a way to teach concepts and still have kids meet minimal standards. Henry Ko If free markets are to work well, respectable moral and legal principles must be in place to guide separate competitors in the marketplace. Anonymous Not only does the LAST half have no sound. The SECOND half is silent!