Americans love the minimum wage, unless you tell them the truth about it

The below is based off the monologue from the latest episode of The Wonderful World of Stu. Watch the whole episode HERE.

You may not know this about me, but my world hasn’t always been so wonderful.

You see, I used to make minimum wage. Oh, the dreaded minimum wage! The memories…they hurt. The employment, cash, and unlimited access to fries still gives me nightmares. Yes, was once was employed by McDonald’s and they paid me the federally mandated minimum. And that is a travesty and a sham and a mockery – its a traveshamockery.

Why? Because I most certainly deserved much, much less.

I was pretty much horrible at my job, unless my job was thievery of McNuggets.  I eventually was fired for skipping work on two consecutive weeks, one to play wiffleball and two to go trick or treating with two hot girls from my class.

By the way, I got lucky.  Tons of candy that night.  I mean neither of the girls would look at me, but I scored three full size milky ways.  Boom.

So was life on minimum wage really so terrible? If you listen to the media and either political party, you would think so.

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“No one who works full time in America should have to live in poverty.  Join the fight to raise the minimum wage.” You send nonsense like that when you see it on social networks, and we get anti-social, this time on the minimum wage debate.

Politicians talk about the minimum wage because voters heart the minimum wage. A Gallup poll found that 76% say they would vote for a law to for raise it.

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That’s a whopping three quarters of the population in agreement! I understand why. If you’re not making minimum wage, you feel like its mean not to raise it.  And if McDonald’s told my 16-year-old self that they were raising my pay, I would have been psyched. And that’s probably how most people who make minimum wage would react when they see this plastered all over the White House website:

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Let’s take a step back for a second and actually look at who is working for minimum wage.

Let’s take 100 fries represent the workforce in America.  How many of them actually make the minimum wage? One.  Just one.

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“One percent of the us labor force earns the minimum wage.” All these evil capitalist businesses out there required only to pay their peasant workers minimum wage and yet only one percent of them actually do it.  Doesn’t that crush the boogeyman of the evil capitalist right off the bat?

Remember, the issue the White House says is so pressing is people working full time, trying to support a household.  Well, of that one percent, teenagers make up the largest age group.

In fact, “most minimum wage workers are under 25.” 55% of minimum wage workers are under the age of 25.   Ok, so we’ve established it’s mostly kids making minimum wage.  I say kids because they’re all on mommy and daddy’s health insurance.   But surely they’re at least full time like the president said, right?

“Less than one-third work full-time.” Only 32% of minimum wage workers work full time.  This is how progressives fight battles by the way. They look at an issue this big, like a pile of 100 fries, and only tell you about this part of it 1/3rd of one fry, but according to the president, these full time minimum wage earners are living in poverty-and that’s why he wants to raise the wage.

Yeah, about that. You see, a full time minimum wage worker in 2014 makes $3,410 dollars more than the federal poverty limit.  So, depending on his family size, a full time minimum wage worker could take as much as 11 weeks of unpaid vacation and still clear the poverty line. He might not make the kind of cash Obama and his friends make, but someone should tell the president to look at their own numbers before running his mouth.

So why is this administration obsessed with raising the wages of a fraction of 1% of the country that is already living above the poverty line?

Do you remember the State of the Union? Remember how happy AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka was. Why was he so happy?

Labor unions, like Trumka’s AFL-CIO, universally throw their support behind proposals to hike the minimum wage.  But why?  Union workers don’t make minimum wage.  Well, some unions peg their base-line wages to the minimum wage. The United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW) union explained that this is a commonplace practice.

“Often times, union contracts are triggered to implement wage hikes in the case of minimum wage increases…such increases  are one of the many advantages of being a union member.”

You see what I’m getting at here, don’t you?

A hike in the minimum wage isn’t just a hike in the minimum wage. It’s a hike in the union wage.  But, the progressive union slush fund giveaway act has a terrible ring to it- so minimum wage it is.

Higher minimum wage means higher union wages, higher union dues, more money to spend on Democratic campaigns. A higher minimum wage also means more job security for union members. The increase restricts businesses from hiring lower skilled workers who would gladly accept a lower wage in exchange for experience.  And that same principle applies to every workplace when it comes to raising the minimum wage artificially. What does that mean for unemployment? A study called “effects of the minimum wage on employment dynamics” from Texas A&M University found that: “a ten percent increase to the minimum wage results in a reduction of approximately one-quarter of the net job growth rate.”

The President is currently pushing not a 10 percent increase, but a 40 percent increase in the minimum wage. Progressives have always done that. What was their goal?  Unemployment and of course, eugenics.

Sidney Webb, English economist and Co-Founder of the Fabian Society in the early 1900s, believed that establishing a minimum wage above the value of “the unemployables” as he called them, would lock them out of the market thus eliminating them as a class.

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 “Of all ways of dealing with these unfortunate parasites the most ruinous to the community is to allow them unrestrainedly to compete as wage earners.” – Sidney Webb

Many in America shared this belief as well. Around the same time, a Princeton economist said this:  “It is much better to enact a minimum-wage law even if it deprives these unfortunates of work, better that the state should support the inefficient wholly and prevent the multiplication of the breed than subsidize incompetence and unthrift, enabling them to bring forth more of their kind.”

Who was that Princeton economist? Royal Meeker, U.S. Commissioner of Labor, under Woodrow Wilson.

Remember in the beginning we showed the poll that said most Americans support an increase in minimum wage? 75%.  A really popular policy.

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What happens when you ask Americans if they favored minimum wage if it caused some employers to lay off workers.

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Favor: 37%. Oppose? 56%.

Most Americans would oppose raising the minimum wage. There is disagreement on how many jobs would be lost, but economists generally agree- if you raise the minimum wage, some jobs will be lost.  But the American people never hear that.  As soon as they do, they completely turn on this horrible policy, one with an ugly past, and an incredibly corrupt present.

To review: 1) Americans love the minimum wage, unless you tell them the truth about it.  2) Minimum wage has a past that could make a decent horror film. 3) Unions want increases in minimum wage because it means more cash for them, and more campaign cash for Democrats.

What an adorable circle of corruption.  Give me more fries.

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  • Anonymous

    When I started working many moons ago I was paid 1.25 an hour I was 15 I had a working permit and only worked 10 hours a week. I was still in high school. Didn’t need to make a whole bunch of money. Then as I continued on working I kept getting raises which made me happy until I realized the more I made the more I had to give to the government. It was like please don’t give me tht raise cause I have to work that much more to get more money. It’s like the unions they get more so does the government. The working person is the one getting screwed and the unions and the government are laughing all the way to the bank. On the working people.
    Now they want to take your 401 and your iras cause you don’t know how to handle your money. Lol. And then give that along with your taxes to those who don’t work. Lol funny how that works huh. All because of income inequality. Ah so we are now going to fund those people who didn’t plan and think a head for their retirements. Actually double with social security.

    • Anonymous

      Not too mention the fact that, if a Liberal contends that they should be able to learn a legitimate “living wage,” it is incumbent upon them to find an employer who agrees with that notion. Asking for a raise without acquiring a new skill or having a boss willingly provide it is just…begging basically.

      • Anonymous

        Yep the hand out

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      • http://batman-news.com Joseph Zus

        You complain about paying a living wage then why do you expect me to work hard enough for you to make a living off of my labor?

        • Anonymous

          In your context, you’re playing the employee and me the employer correct? If you don’t like the wage of the job that I have provided for you, I happily champion your right to provide your labor to someone else. In other words, the complaint belongs to the employee alone, the provision of money belongs to the employer alone. I recommend you to read the Biblical parable of the workers in the field, whereas, employees are obliged to fulfill a contract, not complain. If you get a job, there is usually never a contractual agreement stating that you WILL get a raise. Basically you have no case.

          • Joshua Davis

            So…the employee is not awarded any protections, and the employer can abuse his employees as he wishes? In the parable you speak of the employer was equally GENEROUS to all his workers, he didn’t attempt to nickle and dime them (as many employers do). If Christ is my employer I agree with your argument, otherwise I think your argument is bogus.

          • Anonymous

            If you were my employee, thinking my argument was bogus, why stay? I would need you like I needed a third eye. You forget that the business is THEIR property. Do you have any concept of that?

          • Joshua Davis

            In answer to the question-why stay? Perhaps its because you’re paying me minimum wage, so my family is already almost starving, and leaving means losing a paycheck. In reality many do leave, which is why businesses that pay minimum wage have one of the highest turnover rates in the country.

            You’re exactly right, I know you don’t need minimum wage employees, especially in the current economy. Which is why you abuse them in the first place-they’re easily replaceable.

            You’re actually wrong about it being ‘their’ property, at least for the vast majority of the working populace, who are employed by large businesses owned by stockholders, and run by whoever originally owned it. Even arguing that its ‘their’ property, most people aren’t fired by ‘them’ but instead by whomever they mistakenly gave positions of leadership to.

            History has shown that almost without exception businesses will abuse employees wages if they can, its why we have a minimum wage int he first place.

          • Anonymous

            You bring up the support of a family. When your kids can’t eat, do you tell them how crappy your boss is? If you truly care about them you do WHATEVER IT TAKES to make more money.
            When someone applies for a job, they agree to perform a service. In exchange the employer agrees to pay money. It’s contractual and symbiotic.
            What your advocating is that a boss offers a raise, and in exchange, you offer “righteous” indignation. There ARE greedy, money grubbing business owners out there. Not all of them but many exist. In America, we reserve the right to be greedy as long as no fraud, embezzlement, or anything illegal occurs.
            I respect your right to be pissed off, but being pissed off doesn’t put food on the table, and it never will.

          • Joshua Davis

            You’re making some interesting assumptions based off of my statements. I never advocated that a boss offer a raise, I simply said that I disagreed with your argument that an employee should get no protections, and that if he didn’t like the work environment he should ‘just leave.’

            Your argument that I must do whatever it takes to support my family supports my statement. If it means taking a crappy job I must do so to support my family. This doesn’t means I have to lie down and take it, you reserve your right to be greedy. I reserve my right to form unions, go on strike, educate the world about your greediness, and fight every minute to force you to give me the benefits I deserve.

            That’s not being pissed off, and I’m not pissed off (incidentally I don’t make minimum wage). I think myself quite capable of arguing against a ‘take what I give you or leave’ argument without getting pissed off.

          • Anonymous

            “Fight every minute to FORCE you…” You’ve just shown your true colors. You obviously can’t get what you want in life, so force is how you go about your business. I have no desire to continue this thread. You disgust me in a thousand ways. By the way I make a grand total of $9.50 an hour as an office supplies delivery driver. I’m broke these days and I asked for a raise and was denied. I’m not mad but I’m sure as hell job hunting. My prized possessions are a crappy car and a nice TV. How dare you call me greedy. I have a mentality, and it is, don’t be a jealous, self-pitying little bitch like you.

          • Joshua Davis

            Yes, I’ve shown my true colors…the colors of someone who fights for the little guys who can’t fight for themselves? I never called you greedy, I was referencing the businesses you admitted were greedy, and even then simply quoted back to you what you said about their right to be greedy and my right to announce their greediness. Play the victim if you choose, it does nothing to promote your argument, or negate mine.

          • katherine

            You so right ! I can tell that the truth’s so painful for those greedy people that think they’re so deserving and others aren’t…That’s the real Christian way coming from those that are so eager to tell us how good and generous they are and begrudge the lest amongst them the a decent wage.

          • Anonymous

            I can feel it … Here it comes … “If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”

          • katherine

            Bet you had some help along the way .

          • Anonymous

            Nice try … However, Obama did not say “… you didn’t build that alone.”, nor did he say “Somebody else helped make that happen.” In his statement he gave no credit what-so-ever to the individual business owners; read it again. So, put down the Obama kool-aid long enough to take off your rose colored glasses so that you can see this socialist for who he really is …

          • katherine

            This may surprise you ,but I don’t disagree with you on Obama , however, I don’t think any man builds a business all by himself. There’s always others that rarely get recognition. I never voted for Obama or any liberal . Ever !

          • Brandon

            Actually almost all business deals, even the multi-billion dollar ones are financed through banks or other investors, so yea more than likely you had help building it too.

          • Ras

            Well said

          • katherine

            Exactly !!!!!!!

          • Anonymous

            Since when is complying with the law by paying the federally mandated wage “abuse” of employees ? There’s an argument that’s bogus alright … yours !

          • Joshua Davis

            Feel free to read the entire conversation, I’m sure with a little critical thinking you can figure out what I’m talking about.

          • katherine

            Joshua , you absolutely right.

          • Ras

            The thing you are failing to realize from Joseph’s comment is that by paying a worker a living wage it increases their morale to actually put forth good effort to work. To pay a worker minimum wage or even a little more that that for back breaking manual labor is mockery and treating a person as less than a person-like an indentured servant.
            You need to read James 5:4-6 that speak about the powerful rich man who has no compassion on the poor workers he exploits. He represents the corporate greed of companies in the food and retail industry that force masses of people to live in poverty with their low wages and benefits.

          • Anonymous

            4 Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5 You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter.[a] 6 You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.

            It’s between the rich man and God. God is claiming indignation at the rich corporate greed. He is NOT however, talking to legislators. I admitted to Joseph, and now to you, THEY ARE GREEDY! IT IS SHAMEFUL how corporations fatten themselves. But it isn’t against the law! Why would you want to work for someone who won’t give you a raise?!
            Within a couple of years of a minimum wage increase, after inflation lays people off, and food prices go up, their purchasing power will be right back where they started. Not too mention, MY purchasing power goes down too, since I only make $2.25 an hour more than minimum wage.
            Minimum wage just went up 4 and a half years ago. So basically, go ahead and say $9 an hour is a living wage, in 4 more years you’ll be saying it’s not. It’s socialist bullshit. Keep asking for more and more and more while offering nothing tangible in return.

          • Joshua Davis

            Statistics disagree with you. We haven’t seen a significant increase in food prices in the past when the minimum wage has been increased. 4 years from now people will be saying $9 isn’t a living wage because of standard inflation, which is about 3% a year, which means that 4 years from now things will cost about 12% more than they do now. That isn’t because of raising the minimum wage.

        • Anonymous

          If YOUR labor is so valuable, then why not create your OWN business, or shuffle on down the road to another employer that will pay you a wage that you’re BOTH happy with. That’s the beauty of true capitalism (not the current government dictated over regulated garbage we have now). If an employer doesn’t pay a wage that people feel is fair, they either won’t apply for the job (and when the employer has no applicants, he/she will rethink their wage offer), OR if someone accepts the low paying job they will work for a very short time and be on the lookout for a better job.

          This is the problem with liberals. They so many assumptions: that people working at places like McDonald’s are WORTH the wages employers are forced to pay them, and that people go into business to employ people. The ability to employ people is a by product of someone being successful in their business.

          You need to familiarize yourself with the famous quote from Ben Franklin:

          “I am for doing good to the poor, but…I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed…that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”

          In other words, poverty is a stressor that motivates people to get out of their current position. These days, liberals pass out the welfare and food stamps so their is no need to do better for themselves. Just remain an ignorant, dependent fool for the rest of their lives.

          • Emma Muehle

            right, because sooo many of these low wage workers have the ability to find good paying jobs. not. Labor costs should be related to living costs. End of story. It only makes sense that way, because that is what the labor costs are going to and that’s how capitalism is supposed to work. To imply that paying someone less than a living wage gives them a sense of drive and inspires independence is laughable.

            It’s possible that Ben Franklin is right, but he most certainly was not talking about providing low wages as incentive. He was talking about the kind of help people DONT work for, not saying that when people DO work they should get a wage that puts them in poverty to stress them into rising above the situation. According to this quote he believes work should create wealth. Seems like having wages below living standard is exactly the OPPOSITE of what he was talking about.

          • Anonymous

            Your employer does not pay you how much you need (living wage), they pay you how much your labor is worth. You are selling your labor. Find the highest bidder, or increase the quality of your labor

          • katherine

            That’s the problem . People are laboring each and every day for greedy employers that is making fantastic profits off of their labors…yeah you can go somewhere else but the way the greed is in this country now , most likely you’ll find yourself in the same situation .

          • Anonymous

            so you want to be paid MORE than you are worth? Isn’t that the definition of greed?

          • Nichole

            So if I make $8/hr and my employer profits $200/hr directly off my labor, is that getting paid what I’m worth?
            The only greedy one in the equation is the employer.

          • Brandon

            No that is the definition of every CEO and business owner in America today. Take a quote from arguably the greatest business owner, “The high wage begins down in the shop. If it is not created there it cannot get into pay envelopes. There will never be a system invented which will do away with the necessity for work.” Henry Ford

          • blcartwright

            If it cost Henry Ford $1000 to make a Model-T, and he could only sell it for $500, he would have been out of business.

            Of course there’s a necessity for work, but what you get is based on what you give. Concerning raising the minimum wage, you want to get more without giving more. I call that greed. You offer me something worth $10 but demand $15 from me.

            Again, it’s simple. You get paid based on what you give, not on what you need. If you need more, do more. Learn more. Apply for a job that pays more. I’ve started a home business by downloading free software then teaching myself how to program.

          • JoJo58

            LOL both Katherine and Brandon are a couple of clueless idiots. Maybe employers need to pay them what they “demand” and then deduct various costs like a portion of the rent, taxes/tax services, equipment, office/business supplies, utilities etc,, and then they can see what a bite the government they worship demands first.

            Liberals also don’t seem to understand that the vast majority of small businesses are taxed as “individuals” and many businesses are barely keeping their heads above water. They don’t see, or deal with all of the government regulations, mandates and taxes levied upon businesses.

            Explaining these very basic of concepts is like explaining statistics to a two year old.

          • Brandon

            Cant do that when all the laws are stacked in the employers favor. You see its not the employees choice to turn down job after job because it doesnt pay, eventually that person must eat and the employers know this. That is why people take these positions. They have no choice and with the changes to welfare, you must take the jobs that are given to you or you are denied assistance. You see you are just showing that you have never been in this situation which you act like you know so much about. And if you look at a lot of the minimum wage laws, they explicitly say no one should make less than a living wage regardless of the actual dollar amount provided. These are old laws that business owners, i.e. politicians and lobbyists, refuse to update until they can ensure that the increase is still below the living wage thus keeping low wage workers in the same situation even when they eventually raise it years later, which is why it takes so many years, then all of a sudden every politician is in favor, because they know it still doesn’t help anyone but the employer, but can say I helped the poor. Do some research before speaking people!

          • JoJo58

            Spoken like someone who has never owned a business. You have no idea what all goes into running a business. In your mind, it’s the simple 1) “worker shows up…employer needed” 2) customer comes in, spends money, goes straight to employer’s pocket.

          • Brandon

            No I have worked in many positions were I personally was involved in the financial aspects of how the business runs. I understand all about profit margins and labor costs, supplier costs, taxes, etc. I also know that the cost of labor is relative to a lot of things. One of these things that it seems most people dont understand is turnover and training. These are two of the most expensive parts of labor costs and I also know that the better you pay an employee the lower the turnover you have thus actually making your OVERALL labor costs go down. I also know that Walmart and Costco are basically the exact same business model, same products, same prices of products, but Costco pays $17/hr versus $10.11! Costco pays a living wage with real benefits and has much less turnover, much better profit margins and actually makes more money per employee, and on top of that actually out sells Sams Club while having 213 less stores and 42,600 less employees. Dont believe me then read this article from the Harvard Business Review. https://hbr.org/2006/12/the-high-cost-of-low-wages

            I think that it is you who does not understand how to run a business. The problem today is people like you who think they know, but actually dont. Tell me this, why are so many businesses opening today at or close to minimum wage knowing that labor is the biggest cost to a business and also in their hearts knowing that wage will put their employees in poverty and most likely on the bill of the taxpayer through welfare. Want to know how to get rid of welfare? Pay ALL workers a living wage! Before you talk about it is SOOOOO expensive and will destroy the economy, think about how many more people can then afford to BUY a home and not rent, thus turning around a horrible housing sector. Car industries would benefit through more car sales domestically, something Henry Ford himself realized. $325 Billion is saved from the deficit every year. More tax revenue for the federal, state, and local governments. You see when the employers open a business and expect the taxpayers to pay some of the labor costs then that is much worse than the employees who get the welfare. You see it is the employers who are taking advantage of the system, not the poor low wage workers.

          • blcartwright

            and it should be up to the business to weigh all these factors when deciding what wages to offer their employees. On the other hand, you could do all your calculations of what’s best for the company, then have the government say “Not good enough, you have to give them more”.

          • Brandon

            If what is best for your company is to pay multiple families into poverty and onto the welfare system, thus the dime of the taxpayer, then should you even start that company in the first place? I mean is it ethical to make a good living off of the work of several if not hundreds or thousands of workers that must struggle to survive? I mean that kinda sounds like slavery doesn’t it? This is what has made America what it is today, a couple of people getting the American dream at the expense of the many. Did you know that each and every Wal-Mart costs the taxpayers 900k to 1.2 million in welfare because they choose to pay their employees into poverty, while Costco pays $7 more per hour and has almost nobody on welfare under their employment. See it is just a choice on the behalf of the owner, like you said, to either pay their workers a living wage, or let the taxpayers take care of part of their labor costs.

          • blcartwright

            When you are deciding to by some green peppers at the grocery store, do you stop to think whether $1.99/lb is enough to keep the store or the farmer in business. Do you offer to pay more than what the store is charging in order to help them out?

            Employers pay for the employee’s labor. They pay based on what the labor is worth to them. That’s it, end of story, the rest doesn’t matter and shouldn’t matter.

            It’s a voluntary association. They offer a wage, you accept or reject it. If you don’t like the wage, don’t like the company, then don’t work there, don’t shop there. The loss of employees, loss of revenue may force them to change, or if not maybe go out of business.

            If someone is making $7.50/hr and wants to be making $15.00/hr, it’s up to them to find and apply for a job that pays that much.

            I started working at $3.35/hr and have worked my way up to $36.40. I’m 55 and I’m still teaching myself new skills to position myself to move up, or maybe even start my own business.

          • Brandon

            “If someone is making $7.50/hr and wants to be making $15.00/hr, it’s up to them to find and apply for a job that pays that much.” How is that when there are no jobs that pay that much? The average business owner makes 204 times the amount made by the employee that makes the money for him. That is up 1000% from the 50’s when it was at 20 to 1. Business owners have made up their minds to just take more and more while calling these jobs unskilled labor that is only worth $7.50 an hour. Its funny how people call it unskilled when all jobs whether it be a restaurant, Wal-Mart employee, or oil field worker, put you through at least a mandatory 90 day training period. If it is truly unskilled then why the training? I am sorry but I am a cook at a well known burger restaurant, a sit done causal, not a fast food, and I bet that a lot of CEO’s and business owners could not do what I do on a Friday or Saturday night when we have a wait of 200+ people for literally 4-5 hours straight. Do the math and I make more dinners in a night then most people make in a year or two. I am lucky to make the high side of my industry at a whooping $10.75 an hour. That is with 12 years experience and I promise everyone of my former employers have tried to hire me back. Now when my company makes an average of $10 a person, how is that fair or even moral? It is insane how much the top level and management have taken of the share of profits. I make up to 200 $10 meals an hour for $10. Next time you cook dinner try and cook just 25 meals in a half hour and that would even come close to what I do. And you call that $10.75 what I am deserved? Even McDonalds where you might have to cook, make the sandwich and wrap it by yourself because labor is too high to have more than one person in the kitchen during rush hours. Ever wonder why it takes so long today? Its because they not only pay worse but use less labor overall while posting all-time record profits, but can’t afford to pay more or they will just completely go bankrupt. That is nonsense that has been debunked. McDonald’s themselves admitted if they were to pay $15/hr they would have to raise prices 20%, and that would be if they passed on all of the cost to the consumer. Think about that. It would cost $1.20 for a dollar menu item and McDonald’s doesn’t take a hit to their profit margins! But they would go bankrupt right? Funny thing is surveys show that people would support that cost increase if that means employees would make a living wage. But McDonald’s still refuses to increase along with all other restaurants. You see you are only looking at this from one side that is lying to you. Business owners are salesmen at heart and love to make more money and would also say anything to make sure you don’t hurt his bottom line. Here look at this paper that is blue and I promise you it is red, okay. You believe me right. If that paper was blue, the whole world would explode! These companies are making more PROFITS than ever and telling you the economy would bust if they made just a fraction less. In McDonald’s case, they would not loose a dime but still refuse to do it, lol! There you go I taught you something new and actually truthful today, not what is on FOX

          • blcartwright

            Of course there are jobs that pay $15/hr. If someone needs that much money but doesn’t have the skills to qualify for a job that pays that much, that’s their responsibility.

            What you don’t address is that business pays the amount that the labor is worth to them. All the other stuff is blowing smoke.

            Again, when you buy something, do you look for the best deal, the best combination of high quality and low price, or do you voluntarily pay more because the vendor deserves it?

          • Brandon

            “Of course there are jobs that pay $15/hr. If someone needs that much money but doesn’t have the skills to qualify for a job that pays that much, that’s their responsibility.”- That is a ridiculous statement because at $15/hr that only $31k a year which is no where near enough for a family today! Are you that well off that you cant do simple math? Add up $1200 for house, $800 for food, $400 for cheap car and insurance, $500 for child care so I can work full-time plus another $200 for gas and $200 for utilities and you are now $900 over budget and I didnt even factor in taxes, healthcare, entertainment, savings (LOL), college fund, gym membership (part of the reason poor people are less healthy), blah, blah, blah! Do you see that even $15/hr today is MUCH less than living wage for a family! I bet you remember them good ole days when only one parent worked? Well I don’t! No tell millions of American families that it is their fault that they have to live off half of that! How?!!! At minimum wage, you would be $2140 over budget using the same expenses which are about poverty levels for a family.

          • blcartwright

            That’s called moving the goal posts. People demand minimum wage be $15/hr, I say apply for a job that already pays $15/hr, you say there aren’t any, I say or course there are, you say but that’s not enough money.

            It’s a matter of responsibility in life – who is responsible for what.

            Your employer is responsible for paying you for the labor you provide.

            You are responsible for making enough money to support the family you have created.

            That’s it, nothing else.

            If you come in and whine like you do here I will say BFD, if you don’t like it here you are free to quit and find a better job.

          • Brandon

            So its okay for you to make a comfortable living knowing that the people who are literally making your living for you are having to use food stamps and work not only full time for you but also for someone who thinks just like you. All of those things that I am talking about are not dodging your questions it is more like progressing the discussion and looking at the bigger picture instead of just one little portion of the whole. If you cant see the problem as a whole then how could you ever begin to fix it? We both agree the system is broken, but I give suggestions as to how things can change for the better and you tell me that nothing should change, this is how it is and if you dont like it leave. Who here is really dodging the problem and just deflecting to blaming the victims. Especially around Christmas shouldnt you blame hunger and not the hungry? What would Jesus say about how you are talking? I am not even Christian, but even I know that blaming the poor and hungry for the problem and not the rich who pay them into poverty would be looked down on by Jesus. I mean didnt he go kinda crazy on all the hustlers in the temple making money off the poor and the name of GOD, you know like Republicans today, lol? You tell me that less than a living wage for a family when both parents work at least one full time job each is okay in your eyes? I mean living wage for a single person is more than minimum wage so is 48% of the population just not allowed to have a family? Are the rich, educated few the only ones who should have a family? You know that is what you are suggesting by making statements like that? I know you dont like to look beyond to the bigger picture but that is EXACTLY what you are saying.

          • JoJo58

            I’ve been enjoying reading your debate with Brandon, but you’re trying to explain economics and capitalism to someone that has NO REAL CLUE as to what those two things are and how they relate to one another. Even college and university professors are clueless. I was a “non-traditional” student and amazed at how stupid the profs were. All they understand is that if there’s a “boss”, he MUST be rich, therefore, he must split all the profits evenly amongst the employees. Their reasoning is that without the employees, the man wouldn’t have a business.

          • blcartwright

            Slaves weren’t allowed to quit their job and look for something better.

          • Brandon

            There is nothing better! 48% or 1 out of every 2 Americans make less than $25,000 a year. 75% make $50,000 or less. The poverty line for a 5 person family is around $42,000 a year. So, like I said if ALL jobs pay less than a living wage for a family today then what are low wage workers supposed to do? Mechanics make $15/hr today! That used to be a job that would support a family. It is also a job that requires at least an associate’s degree. Same with construction jobs today and those don’t pay any better. How about factory workers which makes up a huge chunk of American workers? They make at most $12/hr today with many paying $8-9 around my area. These all used to be jobs that would support a family and middle class lifestyle. GM workers in the 50’s made an equivalent of $50/hr when adjusted for inflation, but now pay $15/hr! Do you understand that it is NOWHERE the same today as when you were younger. Today in America, 3 out of 4 jobs pay less than middle class wages. A new study suggests that a family of 4 needs over $100k a year to maintain the American Dream! That means less than 7% of Americans can achieve that today.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States

            http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2014/07/04/american-dream/11122015/

          • Brandon

            But most of the ones who stayed also knew that there was nothing better out there for them, so it is LIKE slavery, but not slavery, dont get me wrong. My point is the fact that the rich plantation owners needed very cheap labor so they all got together and decided this was okay, much like all employers have basically decided to pay half the country less than a living wage for a family. Like slavery, but NOT slavery.

          • JoJo58

            Slavery, but NOT slavery? I love it when liberals try to explain something that they have zero knowledge of and start grasping at straws.

            Slavery wasn’t “cheap” labor. The average slave sold for hundreds, if not thousands of dollars, EACH. Look at a few REAL history books. For the real dirty, dangerous jobs, such as draining swamps, etc., plantation owners would hire the Irish for a buck or two a day because the Irish were expendable.

          • Brandon

            That shows how racist you really are JoJo. So all that was okay since they paid so much for them right? They paid for them so that makes it hard on the plantation owner? So by your statement low wage workers ARE EXACTLY like slaves, right? See you just took my idea and proved it better then me, but are against my views, lol?

          • blcartwright

            I was making minimum wage ($3.35/hr) when I got married, then I moved up from the restaurant to a bank that paid $5.00/hr. After a few months I got into the company where I still am, at the same wage, but I knew it had a lot of potential. I’m still in the same job description, now making over $36/hr. Some of that is inflation.

            So, go tell your boss, “I want a raise!” Is he going to say “How much do you need?” or will he say “What have you done for me?”. I say the second, because you give him hours of your labor in exchange for the money. If your labor costs more than what you produce can be sold for, the company is losing money, and that can’t continue long term.

          • Anonymous

            LOL End of story? I wish liberals could wrap their heads around the most basic of economics. And no, it doesn’t make sense to base a “living wage” on the cost of living because the “cost of living” is based on the cost of doing business. One affects the other. Sheesh! That’s just good old common sense. Liberals and the lemmings that support them, have the mistaken idea that people go into business to create jobs, and that the money they pay out in salaries has no cost, or that business owners (big or small) should be willing to pay out almost all profits in wages.

            When the cost of doing business goes up, so do all other prices of goods and materials making it more expensive for lower income workers. An easier way to think of it is the price of gas. When the price of gas skyrocketed during the early obama administration, the price of farming etc went up, the price of shipping went up, and ultimately, the cost of everything we buy went up. The price of gas, like wages has an obvious ripple effect. Business people do not go into business to absorb these costs. They tack it on to the price of the product at each level of production, the same way they do when democrats raise taxes and create more regulations. Businesses don’t pay taxes, WE the consumers do in paying higher prices for everything we buy.

            As for you saying that it’s POSSIBLE that Ben Franklin is right…um, seriously? Of course Franklin wasn’t talking about providing wages. He would have laughed at the very idea. He was referring to HANDOUTS, and to be careful in not giving too much. Also, no where in Franklin’s quote does it say that “work should create wealth”. It clearly states that “the LESS that was done for them, the MORE they did for themselves, and became richer.” “LESS meaning handouts, and “MORE” meaning that people BETTERING themselves. Get an additional job, LEARN a skill that would provide higher pay, maybe using common sense and not do stupid crap that puts you in a bad situation, and taking responsibility for your actions etc.

            All you have to do is go to your federal park where there are signs posted “Please do not feed the animals, because the animals may become dependent and not learn how to take care of themselves. It’s interesting to note that both the food stamp program and park service is under the same Dept of Agriculture.

          • katherine

            Don’t guess you’ve noticed that we ha e inflation now that been going up while minimum wages haven’t changed in years..with a mere 3 % a year , buying power of those on the bottom is at lest 12% more. And I believe it’s much higher since food and gas are not included in the cost of living index. That’s the very items that the poor spend their wages on. I personally don’t know how ,in the first place , one wouldn’t include these in the cost of living. I think that’s just a way of the government to keep the really cost of living down.

          • katherine

            Less*

          • katherine

            Real*

          • Anonymous

            Yes, I HAVE noticed the inflation. It’s the rampant government spending, the QE that is making our money worthless. Oil is priced in US dollars. When the dollar goes down in value, the cost of oil goes up. When that goes up, so does EVERYTHING. Electricity, food, clothing, gas etc. There is far more involved, but I’m not going to sit here and write down decades of bad liberal policies over the past 60-70 years.

            The reason why food and gas isn’t factored into the cost of living index is basic obamanomics. Liberals love to leave out certain facts in order to skew the results to their satisfaction. Makes propaganda so much easier to push on to the low information voters.

            Not sure where you’re getting the information that by increasing someone’s wages will increase the buying power for those at the bottom by 12%. It will actually create an “invisible tax” and end up hurting low and middle income people even more. Actually, this sounds a bit like Nancy Pelosi economics where she states that for every $1 spent on unemployment, you get a return of $1.40. What an idiot. Of course, she and other liberals believe that being unemployed is good for people.

          • Brandon

            Cost of living index does include food and gas under the categories of grocery items and transportation. Not really sure where you are getting this since it can easily be looked up and is common sense otherwise. See its people like you guys who just state illegitimate information without doing the simple research. You obviously posted a comment so how do you people not know how to search google for ifacts before restating bs?

          • JoJo58

            Yeah, I’m well aware of that….Brandon. But, this administration has conveniently omitted food and gas prices when they calculate inflation…but then, that only fools the useful, low information idiots.

            Sooooo….how about citing YOUR research? In my last post, I asked where you’re getting your information. I’m guessing that you’re a fan of Keynesian economics.

          • Brandon

            http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/prices/consumer_price_indexes_cost_of_living_index.html

            Simple google search would have brought this up. In the links in the middle of the page there is a Cost of Living Index for selected cities. Click the pdf link and you can easily see that grocery items and transportation is included in the government report. It worries me when people discuss how screwed up a government report is without obviously reading it in the first place. As far as Keynesian economics, I have never heard of it before but a quick search does look good. I will do much more research on it before really saying I am for something.

          • JoJo58

            LOL I figure that Keynesian economics isn’t the only thing you haven’t heard of, but you’re sooooo willing to call people names when in fact you don’t even know what in the hell you’re talking about. Only a fool thinks Keynesian economics is good. Sure, it looks swell on paper, but the simple fact is that the government doesn’t MAKE/PRODUCE anything. All it has is the ability to TAKE. It actually made the Great Depression WORSE and last longer in the US than the rest of the world. I bet you’d love the “Broken Window” economics…most liberals do. I will save you a google search. Think of obama telling people to go out and break windows of local businesses. In obama’s brain he is assuming that all of these business owners will have to hire glaziers. Problem is, these businesses will be paying about $2000.00 for a one day job, when say a bakery could buy an additional oven meaning they could turn out more goods, hire more people and possibly lower the cost of their product which would create more revenue over a longer period of time.

          • Brandon

            What are you talking about? The second half of your post is complete bs while the first shows how judgemental and stuck in your republicans ideals. First off, I never said that I backed it. I actually said that I knew nothing about it and needed to research it more so how am I accepting it? How is the Republican economic ideals such as giving the rich whatever they want, at the expense of everyone else, the enviroment, the economy, and morals and ethics, the “way to go”? Trickle down economics is where the rich get the money then relieve themselves on their employees if you get what I mean. Sorry but it is you who knows absolutely nothing about economics. Tell me how does the economy run when 50% of the population can’t afford to buy anything? How many toothbrushes does the couple thousand rich by from P&G? Probably none since they buy EVERYTHING from overseas, lol. You see its not the rich who support the economy its the massive amount of middle class. When that thins out to the two extremes, overhelmingly to the poor side, then how do you create jobs and revenue when no one can afford the products? Exactly why American manufacturing is dead!

          • JoJo58

            What am I talking about? Actually, I could say the same for you with ANY of your posts. You’re so angry writing this one that there are sections that are off the chart nonsensical.

            The Broken Window theory of economics. I was simply giving you the thumbnail version so you wouldn’t have to strain yourself with a google search.

            Sorry that it went over your head.

          • Brandon

            Over my head? Off the chart nonsensical? How? Like I tell everyone like yourself, anyone can say the sky is green, its proving it that is the problem. I give facts and you call that nonsense? I give you real world examples and you say its over my head, when all you talk about is literally nonsense. Your broken window theory is just racist rhetoric that is sickening in todays world.

          • JoJo58

            The problem is that you’re NOT giving “facts”, but crap. And HOW exactly is the Broken Window theory RACIST? Only an idiot liberal can turn an economic theory from a FRENCH economist named Frederic Bastiat that lived during the MID 18th CENTURY into a race issue. The Broken Window Theory comes from the 1850 essay, “Ce qu’on voit
            et ce qu’on ne voit pas.” Which translates to: “That Which Is Seen and That Which Is
            Unseen.”. NOTHING about black, brown, yellow, or red people.

          • Brandon

            Obama telling people to go out and break windows. See even when you are not trying, you are being racist. The fact is you could have said Obama told business owners to invest in a garden. Same concept, but you choose to use a old racist notion that blacks destroy their own property and communities.

            Tell me this, if you think all my ideals are crap then what are yours? I say more money for the lower and middle class through fair wages. What do you think that we should continue to pay most of the country below a living wage? Do you think that the corporations are exactly right in making the taxpayers compensate corporations that pay less than the living wage of its employees through welfare because the minimum wage is less than the living wage in all of America today? Is it right for Wal-mart to start food drives for their own employees? Is it okay that we continue to cut spending for higher education, forcing colleges and universities to raise tuition, thus making it less affordable to the lower class that needs it the most, while they continue to tell us the only way for the poor to move out of poverty is to get a higher education? Is it okay for a father and mother to work three full-time jobs between them and not be able to provide for his family? My grandfather had one full time job, an 8th grade education, and my grandmother stayed home with the kids, his entire life and provided a better lifestyle than someone who works two full time jobs along with their spouse today, is that okay and right? He never owned his own business and was never management. Just a blue collar worker providing more in 40 hours than a couple working 120 hours today, is that okay with you? Especially when you consider that the average worker today produces almost 50% more than the average worker in his day? This is the reality of today’s economy.

            You support with facts, right, so I would like to see how you view these problems facing America today. I mean every Conservative who has ever lived has used the line, “We need good paying jobs, and I can create them, not these liberals.” How would you create new jobs? I have stated before that it is a well known fact in economics that the only way to create jobs is to first make sure their is a market for your product, and most important of all, those consumers in this market have to be able to AFFORD that product. When most workers today cant afford the work that they perform for others, then you have a real problem. As a detailer, drywaller, mechanic, and restaurant worker (not in that order), I have note been able to afford to pay the company I work for to do the labor, so in fact you could say I couldn’t even pay for myself to do the job! 100 years ago Henry Ford, one of the greatest business and economic minds that ever lived decided to pay his workers more than twice what they were earning at the time. One major factor in this was that he understood that Ford was loosing money because his own workers couldn’t afford to buy the cars that they themselves produce. Once he increased the pay, he experience much more loyalty through much better turnover rates and production, all while Ford began to sell more cars instantly. You see it is the average worker who supports our economy not the few thousand super-rich. But what are your ideas if this is all crap? Please be specific on how you would approach each of these problems to create more jobs in America.

          • Brandon

            You couldnt be more wrong buddy! You state “The price of gas, like wages has an obvious ripple effect.” How is that? When the price of gas rises, then everyone has to pay more, but no one is making more which then does hurt low wage workers along with everyone else. Now lets look at when wages go up. Yes the cost of business goes up but it is actually relatively low compared to the fact that you now have a greater amount of the population that can afford these higher prices. Wages and gas is nothing alike buddy! The basis for any economy is the fact that the majority of the people in the economy MUST be able to afford to buy the products and services provided within the economy or the products and services leave the economy which is exactly why most middle class jobs are leaving the country. Do some research! Your entire last paragraph is ridiculous. The reason that food stamps are under Depart of Agriculture is because it was originally made to make sure farmers were able to eat in case their yearly crop didnt make it, absolutely not because poor people are like animals. You see you are just an ignorant prejudice person that makes excuses for the people who are destroying the country from the TOP down. Maybe you are one of those people? Also you state that people should get an additional job but most low wage welfare recipients do have more than one job!

          • JoJo58

            LOL BUDDY? You might want to stop posting, your ignorance of simple economics is showing.

          • Brandon

            You state my ignorance, yet conveniently left out any information or evidence that I am wrong. Anyone can say the sky is green, but the problem is proving that is really is, right?

          • katherine

            God help people that think they deserve so much and their hardworking fellow man doesn’t deserve anything…not a roof over his head ,food to feed his children or money to pay for their child to see a doctor ,etc ! When you have only the very rich and the very poor , you have a third world country. The middle class is being destroyed each day in this country. And ,Glenn , that’s a FACT !!!

          • JoJo58

            Yeah, and WHO is doing it? Liberals. They’ve been in control of this country with the exception of 16 years since 1945 and they STILL can’t get it right. They continue to copy the “European plan” and they are going straight down the crapper.

          • Brandon

            True EXCEPT, what if every employer today pays under a living wage for a family, unless you have a college education. Now before you say everyone should go to college, think about that, how would you get your coffee, or food from the store or resaurant or even the farmers that grow it. You see it is impossible for everyone to go to college, because there are 10x more jobs that require you NOT to have a college education. Also, I hear a lot about, “If you dont like your pay just quit and go somewhere else”, and I think this is absolutely ridiculous of an arguement. Isnt the whole point of capitalism to make the best living you can, but how then how would that work if it was so easy to just say I am tired of making minumum wage and want a job making a million a month, so I quit. If that was possible, then every person would be a doctor, lawyer, or politician. So then how would the billionaires who own the companies make the money they have without the low wage labor? You see it is not so easy such as you claim to just up and make more money. I have never met a single person, besides the Pope, who wakes up everyday and says I am happy with my low wage welfare lifestyle so I will turn done the dozens of jobs that are offering me a living wage. It just doesnt happen like that just as capitalism doesnt work without the low wage worker. Do your research and stop quoting bs. Ben franklin said that in a time of farmers and hunters while Henry Ford said this “”The high wage begins down in the shop. If it is not created there it cannot get into pay envelopes. There will never be a system invented which will do away with the necessity for work.”, during the explosion of capitalism. Another great, RELEVANT quote is, “No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country.” FDR

          • blcartwright

            If EVERY employer pays less than a living wage, then there’s only so much money in the economy to buy what every employer is selling, so they will be forced to lower prices (or face no sales). Once the prices have come down, it’s now a living wage.

          • Brandon

            And that shows how much you really know about economics, lol! How is that even possible? You do have one point that is correct and that is that their is not enough money in the economy right now. That is why a boost in wages would then allow for more goods to be sold and in turn allow for the companies to make more goods to compensate for the added population that can afford their goods. See the problem over the last 30-40 years is that wages have not kept up with the cost of living, thus bringing us to the biggest wealth inequality gap since the Great Depression. The more money that the middle class has the better the economy does, it is actually very simple. Ask yourself this, how many toothbrushes does the 1% buy compared to the bottom 80%. Now how about milk, gas, dvds, games, phones, cars, etc.? There are literally only a couple thousand in the top 1% but hundreds of millions in the bottom 80%, but somehow they own more of the share of wealth than us.

          • JoJo58

            There’s too much money in the economy. Every time this administration passes another spending bill, the fed keeps printing more money, and when there is more money, it LOWERS the value of the dollar. That means that the cost of goods goes UP, not DOWN.

            This is intended to destroy what is left of the middle class. I just wish that liberals would stop worrying about the 1% and start concentrating on what the progressive party is doing to this country.

          • Brandon

            Printing money such as they are doing is a great way to combat deflation which is what happened in 2008-9 and that caused a recovery so that we did not go into a depression. See just as there is inflation there is also deflation which can be much, much worse. Sorry that the media you watch probably doesn’t inform you of this fact of the economy, but the last time we reached deflation levels that great, we went into the Great Depression. By pumping money into the system you combat this and bring it up to the optimal 2% that is good for the economy. for the last 3 years straight, inflation has dropped consistently below the 2% optimum range thus the need to start pushing the money into the system. Do you think this is the first time a president has done this? Actually this is intended to keep the middle class a float when times are bad. Do you see millionaires and billionaires starving to death if the price of goods skyrockets and the value of money decreases, no, only the middle and poor classes would? Not saying it wouldn’t hurt them, but they would have a much better chance. The problem with this is if the banks that get this money choose not to use it then it sits there and does nothing for the economy. So is it the administration or the greedy bankers that are ruining the country? Nobody blamed Bush, at least I didn’t, for the direct collapse of the banks, it was the bankers that caused this with little to no regulation and being risky and greedy with other peoples money. Obama did not cause this problem so how are you blaming him for trying to do what is a widely accepted process of printing money to combat deflation. If inflation rose above that and they kept printing money then there is a good chance that we would go into hyper-inflation but we are nowhere near that with inflation rates currently at 1.3% as of November 2014.

            http://usinflation.org/us-inflation-rate/

          • JoJo58

            Inflation hasn’t dropped, this administration conveniently omits certain things like food and energy from the calculations, but now that gas prices are coming down, I’m sure that energy will magically be included.

            When you learn and understand quantum easing, and the banking laws that liberals put into place that actually forces banks to hold money….

            In the meantime, you seriously need to stop obsessing over SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE. Your greed and envy is showing.

          • Brandon

            Really? So you claim that this is the first administration to use “core” inflation, which is what you are talking about? This was first enacted in 2000 when Bush was in office, so it is more like this administration inherited this policy. Also this was made to combat the volatility of food and energy prices that are effected seasonally. While I do not completely agree, this is the way inflation has been tracked since the Bush administration. So, then if you say that inflation is actually higher today then in contrast the numbers during the Bush administration would have been higher too. This is important because then it was actually Bush administration who change the way we look at this for the worse and if they left it the same, we would have seen this recession coming sooner than we did. SOOO, how is this Obama’s fault? I love how everything is just his fault because he is president therefore every law on the books was made by him. This is a bad Republican policy not Liberal.

            If you are going to try and make me feel dumb by saying I don’t know what quantum easing is, then make sure you have the right phrase. It is called Quantitative Easing, or QE. This is the process of combating deflation by printing money and giving it to banks to invest in things like businesses and infrastructure. Exactly as I explained to you in my last post.

            Also making banks hold enough money to cover what people have in there is a GREAT policy that actually came from the Depression, you know when everyone rushed to the banks but they had no money for them! The truth is this policy was enacted by liberals and worked for decades, then repealed by Republicans which lead to the Great Recession, then fixed again by Liberals when everyone realized how bad of an idea it actually was to get rid of this regulation. Since all these laws are horrible, give me an example of how it will hurt the economy or the middle class. Stop listening to Rush and Glen Beck and do your own research. I could build a website just on debunking what these two say on a daily basis.

            What makes you think I am not successful? How do you know I am not pursuing a career in one of the fastest growing sectors in the country? What makes you think that just because I am against big corporations that I am poor or unsuccessful? Are rich people the only successful people in the country? What about teachers? Soldiers? Social Workers? Are these people not successful? These make up a huge chunk of the “unsuccessful poor” that you are talking about?

          • Brandon

            Also America has never made a spending bill then printed money directly to fund that bill. Also one more crazy important thing you must understand if you want to correct someone on economics and the government, the president does not create the spending bill, that is Congress. You know the part you learned, in Government, in high school, where Congress makes the laws and budget, then the president signs off on it. Checks and Balances.

            One more thing about your ridiculous statement. Just because the value of the dollar goes down, does not mean that the cost of goods goes up. Those are two completely different variables in the equation. Lets say for instance that the value of the dollar went down $0.10. In that same period, corn went down by $0.20. That means even though the dollar went down, the purchasing power against corn is actually a positive gain, not a loss. Another example being that even if the value of the dollar went down by half in the last year, not true, but lets say it did. The value of gas is almost half of what it was last year so did the price of goods go up because the value of the dollar went down? Since the value of the dollar has not dropped in half, and is actually the strongest it has been since before the recession and gas prices are down, then where is you statement true? These are all relative variables and can absolutely not be grouped together as a generalization of the economy. Simple algebra can show that your statement is completely false. But if you cant get simple economics, how could we expect you to understand relativity and algebra.

          • JoJo58

            Newsflash: There are tons of blue collar jobs that pay far more than college jobs. People are being sold a bill of goods thinking that the ONLY way they will be successful is if they go to college.

            Colleges today are nothing more than liberal brainwashing factories turning out people that are dumber than a box of rocks.

            Yes, the point of capitalism is to make the “best living you can” but there is also this pesky thing about life not being fair. Life is NOT fair. Life is hard, you have to WORK. You have to LEARN. If you don’t like your current job because it’s too hard, or doesn’t pay enough, they expect you to “show up” on time, or you truly feel that you’re overqualified for the job, then you have to start looking around for something better BEFORE quitting. That’s how it works. It’s THAT simple. You have to DO FOR YOURSELF and not rely on others to get what you need. Hillary lied. The world really isn’t a village. It just has too many idiots.

          • Brandon

            Name some then if there are so many. Besides teaching and social workers, which their pay is unfairly controlled by the government, almost every person who gets a college education WILL make more than someone who doesn’t get an education. http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-07-15/is-college-worth-it-some-high-school-grads-earn-more Check this out, even when you factor in the cost of college, as long as you complete your degree, then you will more than likely out earn someone who doesn’t have a degree. The fact that you say that colleges make people dumber, shows how you feel about education, and how ignorant you really are. Anyone who claims that a person who has spent years studying their subject is dumb and doesn’t know what they are talking about is themselves ignorant. How can you begin to say you know more when that person has actually done research on the subject and you more than likely haven’t? Is it just a coincidence that almost all these educated professors are liberal, or are the just too smart for the ridiculous Republican ideals. It is you who needs to go to school. You say get another job, but the truth is 48% of jobs pay 25k a year or less! 75% of jobs pay 50k or less a year. Only 7% of jobs pay over 100k a year, and the american dream now costs over 100k a year. So how do you get out of poverty with or without education?

          • JoJo58

            Let’s see. Pay for teachers and social workers is unfairly controlled by the government. I thought you liberals dug the government’s iron fist, or is it only when YOU don’t get what you want?

            The fact that I say that colleges make people dumber is an observation that I made as a non-traditional college student. I witnessed first hand the inability of students to read and follow a syllabus, the need for study guides, a list of the test questions (plus the answers).

            I had a bit of a chuckle when I read your next line: “Anyone who claims that a person who has spent years studying their
            subject is dumb and doesn’t know what they are talking about is
            themselves ignorant.” My philosophy professor mentioned this very thing. He said the more you know about one thing, the dumber you become to all others.

            From the chuckle, I actually laughed out loud when you asked if it was just a coincidence that almost all of the college professors are liberal. No…it’s NOT a coincidence because liberals, like college professors deal with THEORY, not REALITY. And like two year old children, they don’t rationalize and think things through. They just want what they want when they want it.

            Ya know, based on all of your idiotic ramblings, you must be a Harvard graduate.

          • Brandon

            Republicans have lead a 30 year war against education which have brought us to the being kicked out of the top 10 in every category on the world stage. Our education system has been destroyed by Republicans not liberals. Liberals fight for money for education while Republicans take, take, take.

            Not one person in college today does not know how to read. Even the so called diploma mills have tests that you must take to get into college. If they could read or understand a syllabus, they would not have been admitted to the school. The fact that you make a statement like this really makes me question if you are just lying about your experience.

            Your philosophy professor, is in one of the most liberal of all professions, in the World, of all time, yet you choose to quote him? Also he says that the more you know about one thing the dumber you become to all others, so how does this not back up what I stated? He did not say the more you study one subject the dumber you become in that subject. I said how can you begin to debate a professor in a specific subject and expect to know more in THAT subject. Your nonsensical ramblings are humorous!

          • JoJo58

            LOL Holy crap, where DO you come up with the BS?? I’ve MET college educated people that are functionally illiterate. Had ZERO common sense, and even though they were “A” students, they only studied for what I refer to as “brain dumps”, and they didn’t retain a thing since all they did was memorize notes either given by an instructor or another student. They didn’t LEARN anything.

            You can can also watch TV and see a crapload of poorly educated men playing sports. NOT racist, just a FACT. They just need to pray that they are good enough to make the pros, and once there, that they can get enough money, their bodies hold out and they don’t piddle it all away. FACT. Universities hire people to take the tests for them, or make it “known” that certain athletes are not to fail because they are moneymakers for the university.

            Progressives/liberals have been dumbing down the US education system since the mid 19th century when they brought in the Prussian Method of Education. There’s a book in pdf form that documents the 100 plus years of progressive intentional dumbing down of US students.

            As for your comment about the “30 year was against education”…Um…where did that come from? Mother Jones? MSNBC? More money is spent on US students than any other student on earth and we have the least amount of return. Yeah, the US is dumber, but that is because of progressives, NOT conservatives.

            You really think that because I quoted a liberal professor that I made your argument for you? Really? I quoted my philosophy professor BECAUSE it is one of the most liberal professions. YOU stated that the more you learn about a certain subject, the more you know. Not true. And the comment my professor made was that the more you study any certain thing, the LESS you know about everything else, because your focus is narrower, not wider. Kinda like the liberal “mind”.

          • Brandon

            The ONLY reason liberals had to start passing out food stamps and welfare, was because the employer started to pay workers less than a living wage. No matter what you can say, if there were no need for food stamps then they wouldn’t exist. That is a by product of today’s capitalism. You do realize that the rules of capitalism change when the laws do so your capitalism that you had growing up is not the same as Ben Franklin and in turn neither of those are the same as today. Greed as well as goodness can also influence capitalism with my perfect example being Wal-mart and Costco. And surprisingly Costco is a much, much better company all around today. You make statements like McDonald’s workers are not worth what they are paid, but isn’t a cornerstone of capitalism that a worker is paid what they are worth based on how productive that employee is for the company? Not too sure about McDonald’s but I know that the average worker at Wal-mart makes $11/hr but produces $180/hr in revenue for the company. That puts the share at 16.4% for the person doing the ACTUAL (I don’t see the Waltons stocking shelves) work and the rest going to the company. Do you think that is a fair wage?

        • katherine

          The greed these days is totally disgusting….CEO s making millions and the little guys working every day and breaking their backs and being g paid a penance ! Shameless greed !!

        • katherine

          Agree !

      • katherine

        Yeah ,basically begging ! That’s an outrageous statement to work someone for slave wages and you somehow justify that as you being so charitable. That’s the way tyrants in third world countries justify taking all the wealth and throwing a few crumbs to the peasants and telling them that they’re just beggers. God help a people or a country that have that attitude. Countries never stand for long when you have a few that control all the wealth .

    • Ofaixa

      Nice comment and all… But obviously you don’t understand America’s tax code. We have a progressive tax laws meaning the more you make the more you actually take home. Crazy I know. But that is our tax laws. Unless you are referencing to the common phrase of “more money, more problems.” And if you are talking about that you win. I agree.

      • Joshua Davis

        This is actually no longer true. With the implementation of the Affordable Care Act there are now people who could make more money by finding a job in lower tax brackets to avoid the new taxes placed on them.

    • http://disqus.com/KJinAZ/ KJinAZ

      I remember getting the raise from $1.15 to $1.25. That was huge! Back then 10 cents would buy a pack of smokes, or a gallon of gas.

    • fire lion

      You didnt need to make alot of money because the economy was still good because all those third world dictators the CIA set up, gave the US cheap raw materials. Corporations were still learning how to completely kill wage increases. You could get an apartment cheap.

      You should shake every union workers hand. Unions save america when villains like Carnegie put children to work in mines and where men worked ungodly hours for bread. We were nothing more than industrial serfs.

      You conservatives talk about tradition and yet have no idea about history.

  • Bret McDanel

    Union wages are multiples of the prevailing wage which is predicated on the minimum wage. Raise the minimum wage and you raise union wages which in turn raises union dues.

    Because you have such a large block of people who would be getting a raise if the minimum wage goes up – mostly workers who earn well above it – the cost of goods/services will go up, often by more than the increase in minimum wage.

    • mspatdev

      If the minimum wages go up to $10.25 an hour, then how about the services, the food and everything else you want in the business. There is a lot of people on low income, besides the lazy people, who would like to go and have something eat. How can they do it if the food is to high? The jobs they have for minimum wages are for the young people to learn how to work, to get up in the mornings, and eventually go to school. They will have some spending money for clothes, maybe a car, etc. These jobs are for the youth, you grown ups take what is offered or get some schooling.

      • katherine

        Did it ever occur to you that some people don’t have a lot of education because maybe they haven’t been blessed with the intelligence that maybe you have. That doesn’t mean that they can’t do a good job or work very hard at what they do..if everyone went to college , who would mow the lawns ,drive the trucks ,clean your house and take care of your babies ,etc. ??? I know lots of people that do these manual type jobs and get so little pay and recognition for what they do..it’s a disgrace to pay this people a penance when you make millions like CEO ‘s and Glenn and begrudge them even thinkhe bare necessities.

  • Anonymous

    Glen, you’re awesome. Truly. But my God, get an editor before you submit this for the world wide web to have access to. This is pathetic. True, and great points as always, but you’re much more educated than that. And if you’re not, surely you have staff that are. Let the grammar Nazi comments begin in 3…..2…..

    • BlueMN

      Beck graduated from high school, but he was stoned most of the time anyway. If he hadn’t landed a job as a radio DJ, he’d be working for minimum wage right now spinning his conspiracy theories on his smoke breaks.

      • Anonymous

        Jealousy is the opposite of virtue. He’s successful and it just bothers you doesn’t it? Bill Maher is successful too, but why be jealous of him? He’ll never get a dollar from me and I find that paying no attention to him (due to the fact that he insults people like me who believe in God at every turn) at all is beneficial to my soul, which is priceless.

        • jusawhiteguy

          how is it that you may spew god at every chance and it’s just fine but when someone doesn’t believe in your god, he’s insulting?

          • Anonymous

            Bill Maher as an isolated example, equates religion with stupidity. Honestly, what you’ve said here doesn’t bother me. We live in a country where we can air our opinions. I do believe that you are angry with the simple fact that I believe in God, on my own time I might add. That’s why you referred to my mentality as something that I “spew.” Have a good day. Or don’t, really I don’t care.

        • http://www.mezzymusic.com/ Mezzy Music

          Success is not always measured in money and fame, or even influence.

          • katherine

            That’s exactly right . Guess Jesus wouldn’t be much of a success in some of this people’s opinions !

          • katherine

            These*

      • katherine

        Yeah got that right ! He’s been a drunk and drug user most of his life!

      • Guest

        Not likely. He has too much motivation, inspiration etc to ever settle for what you would.

        • katherine

          Guest no name , Blue knows exactly what he says about Glenn being a drunk and drug user…maybe you not as informed as you think ! Furthermore, no one is the slightest bit impressed with your IQ but YOU !

          • katherine

            If a drunk like Glenn is entitled and deserving of a salary of over 30 million a year , then the toilet cleaner deserves an increase in minimum wage !

          • Guest

            At the risk of disturbing your mental fog, if that is possible, neither blue nor you have the intuitiveness or psychological training to evaluate Glenn Beck, or ability or see into the future, and you are certainly not astute enough judging from your posts here, to make any sort of judgment calls about what Glenn Beck would be doing “if”. I can tell you this: If Mr. Beck had not faced his addictions and straightened himself out, he wouldn’t have gotten anywhere. What he did, he did himself, it was not from having anything handed to him. This says a lot for him.

            As far as your nonsensical comment about my IQ (about which you are clueless) goes; that is the sort of tactic people resort to when, like you, they have nothing cogent to offer and they can’t win the point, never mind the argument, so they make a personal attack. It does nothing but show you for what you are, an ignorant loser.

            The fact that you would bring up my IQ (something you are in no position to know or even attempt to guess) would cause a reader with any appreciable IQ to know that you realize yours is inferior and it bothers you. It would have been better for you to have left that little mistake out of your post.

  • Anonymous

    These idiots understand very well what they are doing, but the biggest reason for doing any of it come down to getting the vote. Hopefully we will have enough people understanding that this entire agenda of the Dictators is a death sentence for the future of this country as we know it!

    • mspatdev

      I agree with you. THE ALMIGHTY VOTE IS ALWAYS THERE WHEN THE VOTING TIME COMES IN NOV. THIS COUNTRY DOESN’T NEED LOUSY CHANGES THAT HURT A LOT OF PEOPLE. MOST OF US ARE NOT FOR THE BIG GOVERNMENT OR FOR THE UNIONS. This will be a terrible change for the hard working people that wants to go out for hamburger and fries. This will be for people that are over 60 years old that wants to have a hamburger and a salad. How about the food in the stores that you need to live on? Every thing in our life will be a lot more. Every time I go to the grocery stores, prices are changing every week. obammy has set these prices for one thing of another. WHAT A SHAME TO PUT ON THE PEOPLE AT THIS TIME WHEN PEOPLE ARE OUT OF WORK. THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO SPEND AND SPEND MONEY THAT THE TAX PAYERS DON’T HAVE.

  • Anonymous

    Hey Glenn, tell Stu to STFU. I currently make minimum wage. I have a family of 6. In no way, shape or form do I come close to the Federal Poverty Guideline. You have a piss poor researcher there Glenn. He absolutely blasts and denigrates those who have a different point of view. His views are as skewed as those he is railing against. Glenn, in order for people to trust you, you cannot present biased information. You cant ,correctly, complain about Dems doing similar things but expect to do it yourself. Unless you want to become the very thing you despise, please make sure you are fair,accurate and balanced.

    • Cameron Porter

      I’m sorry you make minimum wage, but this guy’s facts are not inaccurate. You probably don’t come close to the poverty line because the poverty line is different based on the number of people in the household (see http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/13poverty.cfm). Minimum wage puts you above the poverty level only if you are single.

      Seems to me that he’s basing everything he’s saying on facts, not skewed viewpoints.

    • Jim Jacobsen

      Where is the father of your children, or is he at home waiting for you to bring home the bacon as well?

    • Anonymous

      Hey, I think you need to explain to your kids why you’re making minimum wage. I’m sure they’ll understand your excuses.

      • Kelly17

        Wow, you guys are really disgusting. The poor shaming that happens in this country is amoral. You have no idea why she is in the position she is in.

        • Anonymous

          Listen Audrey Hepburn, the situation was quite clear. This mother confessed openly that she was in a position of having 6 children and not being able to support them on minimum wage. My point was, if she attempted to explain to her children why they can’t eat, they will have no concept of minimum wage, and they will have no concept of why food isn’t reaching the table. The mother isn’t saying that she attempted to work extra hours at her job, she isn’t saying that she applied for another higher paying job, or applied at a school to learn more job skills. All she did was complain that legislators won’t force her job to give her a raise when she hasn’t expanded her skill set or her duties. By the way, food is the main concern of a mother of 6. Raise the minimum wage and food prices go up, and she’s no better off. MY mother was a single mom and we got by. Do you know why? She didn’t complain about not getting a raise, she did what it took to feed and clothe and shelter us. Call me disgusting all you want, and ask yourself if I give a fuck what you think of me.

    • Anonymous

      minimum wage with a family of six. Someone did not plan well. Its not anyone’s fault but your own. You want to make more money, them make your self worth more money. Invest in yourself and get a better education. Its no going to happen at the McDonalds and Walmarts of the world.

    • David Deardorff

      Maybe you should have kept your legs closed! Or at the very least, found a real man (men) to help with life!

    • jusawhiteguy

      mom, something tells me you’re being paid more than you’re worth.

    • blcartwright

      the federal poverty guideline for a family of 6 in 2014 is $31,970. http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/14poverty.cfm If you work 40 hours per week at $7.25 per hour, that’s a gross of $15,080 per year. That means your husband makes at least $16,890, otherwise you are well below the guideline (meaning you qualify.)

  • Rick Robertson

    My friend has been working for Mcdonalds for the past 3 years, and he still makes only 7.25 an hour…not a single raise in the 3 years and he is their best employee…and your going to tell me that people who work at Mcdonalds there entire lives don’t deserve to have at least 9 bucks an hour? These aren’t teenagers who want the minimum wage to go up, its ADULTS!! the teenagers could care less, they don’t pay bills, 7.25 is fine for them, its fun money for them. But what about the people who live off this wage. What about the people who use this money to keep a roof over there heads and food in their mouths. People who could never afford the college education that makes the “big bucks” in this country. Alot of those people are on welfare, something you hate so much, because thats the only way they can survive. Maybe the more people are paid the less people will be on welfare

    • Layna

      I’m sorry, but if your friend is the best employee McDonald’s has and he has been there three years, there is no reason he can’t go work as a server in an actual restaurant or in another retail establishment that pays more and has more room for advancement. I started out working at 15 years old, at 75 cents per hour BELOW minimum wage. I quickly worked my way up to 75 cents ABOVE minimum wage by taking on the work no one else wanted and volunteering for the worst shifts. When people called in sick, I went in for them. I showed up every time I was scheduled and I busted my butt, and did my job well. I proved myself. When I reached the point where I could go no further at that job, I went and found another one. I did that repeatedly over the last 3 decades or so, and am currently living nowhere near the poverty line anymore, tyvm. Tell your friend to go find another, better job if he feels he is being underpaid. Why should McDonald’s pay him more if he is perfectly willing to stay there for *3 years* in a position he considers underpaid?

      • mrmike

        Layna, it is easy to tell by the posts which people grew up working and got ahead. And that story is likely untrue. Just a Liberal trying to bait people into feeling bad.

        • Anonymous

          I concur. I speak the truth when I post here. I find that the more accurately I refute a claim, the more these Liberals try to fancy themselves as wiser than thou. They think of themselves as, something like a brilliant lawyer who successfully defends a brutal murderer based on a technicality. Their debate tactics are worthless and based on the opposite of reality.

        • Kelly17

          No it isn’t! How out of touch can you be??!! That is the reality for a lot of people.

    • Anonymous

      Your friend has worked at an entry level job for 3 years. His job skills have not changed. He is still at entry level. Just because I fry some damn good french fries better than I did three years ago, does not change the fact all I know is how to cook those damn fries.

      If he wants better pay, he needs to become worth better pay. Its not happening at a fast food restaurant. No one owes him anything, but damn he is good at cooking them fries.

    • Anonymous

      I’ll tell you what a human being DESERVES. God’s grace and nothing else. Actually we don’t even deserve that but I digress. You see a business owner gives raises based on their own incentive to do so. If your friend is as valuable as you think they are to the company, he can leverage his skills by saying that he’ll quit if he doesn’t get a raise. If he threatens to quit, and gets his 9 bucks an hour, then he’s actually worth that 9 bucks.
      If someone offered you one million bucks to cut off your arm and you refused…then I guess your arm is worth a million bucks. Raises are a needs based idea. I honestly don’t know anybody who doesn’t think they deserve a raise at their job. If you gave everyone a raise who felt entitled to one, business would cease to exist. I’m sorry Rick, but I don’t feel sorry for your friend, not at all.

    • Anonymous

      Everything else will then become that much more expensive to those who do have minimal means so the poor still remain in poverty. As for those who truly have nothing the situation has become that much more desperate.

    • jusawhiteguy

      that is such bs RR. even mcdonalds wants to keep good employees and cannot do so by paying the same wage for three years. it’s either bs or his only talent is cleaning toilets.

      • katherine

        Someone has to clean your toilets…That’s an honorable job as any not to mention nasty . A person doing that should be paid more not less to clean up your nasty waste. I’m sure you feel so superior to a person doing an unpleasant job! Well I guess you need something or someone to look down on to make you feel good about yourself.

    • Kelly17

      Exactly. And the average minimum wage worker is 29 i believe, not a teenager :)

  • Anonymous

    I use to work for minimum wage from the age of 13 to the age of 24. Did many entry level jobs for many years. Then one day I all the sudden looked and I was making just under 100K per year. What the hell happened, Oh yeah, I stayed in school and got an education. I worked hard to pay my way. Now I get the reward from my hard work.

    Get a clue Liberals and you leach sucking entitlers. You want $15.00 per hour, beome worth $15.00 per hour or shut the pie hole. No one owes you a thing.

    • tiff

      Yeah my generation and younger act like the world owes them something…I see people my age and they have no work ethic. I wasn’t raised that way and was dealt some bad cards growing up so I wasn’t protected from the world per say.

  • Linda Burrows Helms

    I work for a county government agency. Since 2008 we have had very few annual raises and the step raises have been done away with altogether. I have a responsible job which requires a fair amount of education as well as experience, both of which I have gained. I love my job and despite the lack of financial growth feel very fortunate to do what I do. But, every year the starting wage for entry positions in my agency creep closer to what I make. This is one of the problems I foresee in raising the minimum wage-I think that the wages of people working above that will not rise proportionately because, frankly, how can an employer afford to do that. The result is that my job, my education and years of experience have been devalued and so have those of millions of others. This does not make the best workers in the work force happy. The second problem I see is that even though people will be let go and others not hired due to the added expense to the employer, in many situations the demand for the product or service will remain constant. Thus the employer can’t cut the work force, so what happens then? The price of the product or service rises. And when enough things become more expensive (and it won’t take long, believe me), the whole rationale behind raising the wage is destroyed because the cost of everything has become proportionately just as unaffordable as it was before. Only now there will be the added problem of those on the next levels up whose income did not rise who will also be unable to afford the goods and services. Rather than raising people up into a better life, the end result will be more people slipping back into poverty. Someone please tell me if I am wrong in this line of reasoning. I hope I am. But I don’t think so.

    • Anonymous

      Well, of course you’re seeing it for the redistribution scheme that it is. Like Rush Limbaugh has been saying recently on the radio, the Left doesn’t seek to raise the standard of living for those at the bottom, they seek to bring everyone else down.

      • katherine

        Oh, please ,quoting Limbaugh is so laughable…Glenn and Rush is exactly the ones that are the greedy 1% that would pay slave wages and feel comfortable and justified in doing so ! Both are drunks and drug users, and at the same time the biggest hypocrites in the universe.

  • BlueMN

    But Pat, or Stew, whoever this is, what if you said the minimum wage forced people to sit on thumb tacks all day long, then how many people would be in favor of it? Only in the Tea Party would find anybody dumb enough to buy that load of crap.

  • Avaguat

    Here is my future prediction: Obama won’t try to push his raising the minimum wage agenda until the 2014 elections. He will use this as a way to pry voters from the Republicans, the same way he used raising taxes on the rich to pry votes from Republicans during 2012.

    The Republicans must counter subtly and wisely or Obama will make them look like they hate poor people.

    Mark my words. This August. Obama will try raising the minimum wage.

    • katherine

      That’s the reason republicans are in serious trouble with the electorate…They’re again on the wrong side of an issue.

      • blcartwright

        yeah, those Republicans whimpered all the way home in November

  • Anonymous

    interesting. i am generally in favor of giving the low wage earners more money, so they can spend that money in my shop. when you give a person at the poverty line a little more cash every week, they will pump that right back into the economy, creating consumer power. consumer power is what our country has been sorely lacking since early 2000s. we need lower wage earners to once again be able to spend some money at least once a month. HOWEVER, I believe that the unions should not benefit from such a wage increase. THAT IS WRONG, very wrong, if that is true. I am proud to live in a nonunion state, but would like to see the hard workers at the bottom get a raise. But unions should be weeded out of this nation in exchange for such a fair increase in minimum wage, NOT REWARDED. I hope my friends dont get fired when the wage increases. I wouldnt be able to keep my help at 10 bucks an hour. I pay them 8. Obama thinks everywhere is New York or Chicago. Ask the people who live just outside New York or Chicago how they feel about social programs and liberalism. you will fidn the staunchest republicans anti-union people just outside of those black hole pits for money New York and Chicago. They suck all the money from their states dry, and run huge deficits. Lets not work on making social security solvent, lets not try to eliminate tax caps on the super rich, lets play to the audience and really go for this minimum wage hike will have no net effect on economy, but maybe put a little more cash in my pocket, maybe not though, I would have to fire an employee.

  • http://batman-news.com Joseph Zus

    First of all your one french fry becomes 25 if you look at the number of workers that make less than $10/hour which is what the minimum wage should be at least. Some even go so far as to say $10.55 to match the buying power of minimum wage in 1968. As far as the resulting layoffs go, it illustrates the problem with having GREED be the central driving force in any system. You say the minimum wage worker can take 11 weeks off and still be above the poverty line, well the CEO of McDonalds with a base salary of $750,000+ can take off 51 weeks per year and still make 14,423+ which is almost the $15,080 the current federal minimum wage you are expecting others to live on for the year. Yeah heaven forbid we cut into his profits; lets lay everyone off instead.

    • Kelly17

      I know, seriously!! It’s all greed, they should take a cut it’s the right thing to do

  • Anonymous

    And the prices and costs continue the upward spiral… making it even more difficult to assist the destitute.

    If one has nothing then the poor may appear to be greedy.

  • Anonymous

    Labor and Statistics don’t seem to be including inflation in this debate. Wonder why that is?

    • katherine

      Your a guest ? I’d like to know who invited a jerk like you ? I can only guess …You probably Glenn or Stu . You too cowardly to even use your name.

  • Joshua Davis

    I disagree with a few points. One being the fact that only 1/3rd of minimum wage workers only work full time. The statistic is probably true, but ignores the fact that most of the 2/3rds can’t work full time because their employers won’t let them. It’s cheaper for the employer to hire 2 people at 20 hours a week-with no benefits-than it is to hire 1 person at 40 and provide benefits. Also, I don’t know that someone working full time at minimum wage sits just above the poverty line for ONE PERSON is a great argument. Raising the minimum wage isn’t designed to help that one person, it’s designed to help those working for a family of 3-4 (who would be WELL below the poverty line) who can’t get a full time job-even at minimum wage-because no employer wants to give it to them.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/allaspectsmusic Brandon Melanson

    This entire article is disgusting, misleading, and just plain wrong. Why is it that people believe that these quoted statistics are true? The fact is, most of those 25 year old “Children” working minimum wage, are attempting to support children of their own. This ridiculous, 1% statistic, applies only to those who make EXACTLY minimum wage, Increase the numbers to include all affected by the wage change, the number increases DRAMATICALLY. In what country is $16,240 — $3,000 dollars ABOVE the poverty line? Because it certainly isn’t America you are referring to. Most of these “children” as you call them, are only working part time, because the companies KNOW that if they give these people full time hours, they also have to offer them benefits, like Mcdonalds, who offers you a plan to pay something like 125 dollars a month, for almost NO COVERAGE WHATSOEVER! Oh and the only economic research institution that claims this is a bad idea, is called a non-profit, only received 12 donations, each above 500,000 dollars, and IS FUNDED BY 12 HEADS OF THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY. This is all public record, look up the tax information, it is all there. You’re getting lazy glen, don’t forget to research a topic before you lie blatantly to the ignorant and impressionable,

    • Daniel Cartwright

      “Glen” has two N’s to his name, also it appears that this story is from some guy named Stu.

      • katherine

        So???

    • katherine

      Exactly, Brandon. However ,the greedy must first convince people that they are so good and generous and they really just looking out for what’s best for you and that you don’t deserve even the basic necessities .

  • Laura Hoover Jensen

    As a skilled EMT, working in a hospital setting, I made $12.18 starting. Waged have NOT increased much. Now, a worker at Mickey Dee’s will make almost as much? Wow.

    • katherine

      Yeah I bet you’ll start making more and you should.

  • Emc2

    Anyone who believes that a minimum wage hike would decrease total employment,
    please read this politically-neutral economic study. http://theo.to/_media/jep.pdf

    The problem lies in the assumption that the labor market is a perfectly
    competitive free market. This assumption seems intuitive at first
    glance, but is not supported by economic data. On second glance, it’s
    not intuitive either – we all know firms have more power than workers
    on the labor market, so it makes sense to model as a monopsonistic
    competition instead of a competitive market.

    In a monopsonistic competition labor market, the firms relative advantage means that the actual wage rate is below what it would be in a perfectly competitive market. Raising minimum wage has an indeterminate effect on total employment. This is consistent with real world data – studies on minimum wage effects on employment are all over the place, with some saying it lowers employment, some saying it raises employment, and some saying it has no effect.

    A monopsonistic labor market model also explains wage differentiation and
    wage discrimination, both of which are paradoxical when labor is assumed
    to be a competitive market and both of which are extremely real and verifiable phenomenon.

    If you are not economically educated or do not have the time to read the
    paper, I ask that you very kindly refrain from commenting. Uneducated
    opinions on either side that are demonstrably false have no place in a
    serious discussion. Thank you for your time.

  • reallyreallyREALLY

    We will go out of our way and make the 99% pay for the 1% at the top of the scale. The other thing is how the bottom 1% are treated and how these companies ultimately are making us pay the difference anyway in well fare

  • Randy Pullman

    Beck your a silly lip service. Come over here and I’ll give you 7.25hr cs

    • katherine

      Love that..my exact thought !

    • Guest

      You’re relatively ignorant. You can’t even write two sentences without a grammatical error in each. “Beck your” should be “Beck, you’re.”
      And YOU’RE not worth minimum wage with ignorance like that, pal.

      • katherine

        So what ?? Truth hurts when you can’t sell your b.s. You don’t seem to have much of an argument ! You think calling me ignorant makes me so ..I know you and Glenn really hate it when people can’t be snowed by your lies !

        • katherine

          And , by the way I’m not your pal. Now , dude try and see how many typical errors you find…Bet it makes feel stool superior! You have no points or facts. The only thing you interested in is trying to make yourself look intelligent..You are rely sad little person !

          • katherine

            Oh God spell check put the wrong word in my post. Better correct that before I get arrested. Typo !!!

          • katherine

            You must not know that spell check does it’s own thing ..guess I better take off before I’m arrested by the word police.

  • Janne Gee

    I beg to differ on one of the points of this article. where did you get the idea that there is only 1 percent of the people that are working for minimum wage ? in today’s economy because of the Obama care, the national debt, and pretty much a very sucky economy more than half of the population today in the US have to get a second or third job just make ends meet and most of those jobs only pay minimum wage. the idea that teenagers make up more than half of it is wrong. my husband has two degrees I have one degree both of us have had minimum wage or less. there’s been several months we where we have lived on less than $400 a month with a family of 5.
    I do agree that raising the minimum wage drastically is wrong, at least the way that they want to do it. more people are going to be laid off, more people are going to have less hours, the cost of products being made for our consumption will be raised to the point where we cannot buy anything to live on. I know so many people who are trying to do exactly what we have been doing because they just cannot get employment a lot of them a great lot of them have college degrees and are willing to work whatever job they can get so that they can take care of their families. please try to get some of the facts right this is no longer 1980 to 1990 where g0 to get a job and the minimum wage is just for teenagers because its not.

    • Guest

      “where did you get the idea that there is only 1 percent of the people that are working for minimum wage ?”
      Idea? Perhaps you are not aware that the Bureau of Labor Statistics has this info readily available. Thanks for posting and showing all of us that you are ignorant of the most basic information. Have a nice day

      • katherine

        God ,your the most obnoxious jerk ! Your nothing and have absolutely nothing to say…go die a miserable death you worthless piece of humanity !!!!!

      • katherine

        Guest no name , you say where do I get the 1% ? From your friend Glenn. Seems I I comprehended the hog wash article better than you. Ha ha ….You have a bad day , jerk !

  • Scott

    If the only 1% of employees make minimum wage and, according to theses uncited quotes, “Less than one-third work full-time,” would raising the minimum wage cause such a detrimental loss of corporate profits? Just look at almost any Fast Food company’s stock price over the last few years. I have a hard time feeling sorry for theses capitalists dishing out an extra $2.85 an hour. Also, not all “kids” at the age of 25 or under are covered by their parents health insurance. What if their parents are making making minimum wage? Thanks for all the flawed logic Mr. Glen Beck. Also, I dare anyone who opposes raising the minimum wage to live off minimum wage for a year and then get back into the conversation. Also, anyone that would like to know how it really is, should read “Nickel and Dimed: On (not) Getting by in America” by Barbara Ehrenreich.

    • The Constitutionalist

      The problem is not the “detrimental loss of corporate profits.” The problem is that the President’s feel good rhetoric about helping full time workers move above the poverty line is specious. He is using wage envy and the good spirited nature of the American people as a political tool to try to implement a policy that accomplishes nearly nothing for the people he is saying he wants to help. All the while, what he is really trying to do is force union dues up and democratic campaign contributions correspondingly up. It’s a self serving lie. That is the problem.

      • Scott

        Do you think a 39% wage increase “accomplishes nearly nothing” for people making minimum wage? Can you support this? There is no doubt that the Democrats are using this a decisive political issue to cast the Republicans in a negative light. It’s not that heavy handed – most support a wage increase in this country. It’s the Republican line to oppose an increase. Nothing to hide there. Do you have any proof that “what he is really trying to do is force union dues up and democratic campaign contributions correspondingly up”? Your making this sound like Jack Abramoff is involved.

        • The Constitutionalist

          The minimum wage workers that get the raise will benefit from it. The minimum wage workers that get laid off will not. The people looking for jobs that no longer exist will not benefit. The underlying and over-arching principle though is that it helps so few people and is such small ball in reality while being raised to the level of messianic salvation by the left and its supporters in the media. We have 92million people without work, the ACA is de-incentivizing people from working, and his plan is to help 1/3 of 1%?
          Also, why now? He is in his 6th year of his presidency the first 2 yrs of which his party had control of both houses. If he’d have wanted it back then, it would have easily passed. If it was so critical, why didn’t he press for it when he had the votes to get it through?
          It’s just tired democratic playbook rhetoric that will help almost no one. It’s just another sign of the death throws of a dying administration looking for a populist life preserver.
          As for his motive being filling democratic campaign war chests by increasing union pay and thereby dues and thereby union contributions to those war chests, I will admit that there is no proof that that is what he is attempting to do. But the fact remains that if the minimum wage is increased, increased campaign contributions will result. At a minimum, given it’s minimal impact to the overall economy, it creates and appearance of acting in self interest.

    • katherine

      Exactly…I think people like Glenn Beck who makes millions should be careful about getting into a conversation about paying others a penance !!!

      • Guest

        Was the word you were going for a “pence?” You might use a dictionary on the word “penance.” Which means you don’t know what the heck you’re talking about. Keep posting, your ignorance is hilarious.

        • katherine

          Dude ,if that’s your only argument , you ‘re really pathetic !

          • katherine

            I’m glad you think what I have to say is so hilarious..I’m sure you are laughing to keep from crying because Glenn and people like you hate it when you can’t convince everyone to believe your lies. You are right that I was using an incorrect word ,however , I’m sure that didnt upset you near as much as me not buy Glenn bull !

    • katherine

      That’s exactly what I’m t talking about ..it’s absolutely Unamerican to have the Walton family have a net worth of 200 billion dollars when they pay their employees slave wages with the taxpayers picking up the tab for housing ,food ,medical and many more expenses. They even ask on applications if you on any type of assistance so they can take advantage of huge tax breaks for hiring you !!

  • Josh Middendorf

    I for one am all for all “spreading the wealth,” in other word fixing the wealth gap. But not through taxation, not through welfare, and not through changing the minimum wage. The one thing I know needs to happen is to get this economy back on track and the wealth gap will close a lot. Other than that my only other idea is for there to be a cap on CEO income. But do by way of a percent (lets say 100x of the the person at the bottom of the totem pole. For example if the the ceo make 1 million dollars a year the minimum for a full time employee should be at-least 10k. Now that may seem to small but considering many ceo’s make over 10 million a year, this would really spread the wealth.

  • Tommy may

    Hey Glenn you fat func>>You won’t pay a quartet more for a student to earn a living wage at $15-per hr.

    • Guest

      Calling names to make an argument? You MUST be a liberal — that’s a liberal’s main skill — name calling. Constructing an effective, eloquent or articulate argument — not so much.

      • http://www.mezzymusic.com/ Mezzy Music

        Yet that’s basically what you’re doing back.

        • katherine

          You go Mezzy !

  • http://www.mezzymusic.com/ Mezzy Music

    This is the worst-written joke of an article I have ever seen.

    • Guest

      As if you’re smart enough to be a critic of an article beyond a comic strip.

      • http://www.mezzymusic.com/ Mezzy Music

        Actually, I am smart enough. I read articles 100X+ the intellect intended for this article all day long, every day, so I’m very qualified to be a critic of it, just like anyone is. It doesn’t take a very smart person to see that this article is extremely poorly written and looks like it was written by someone in jr. high. It talks down to its readers. It treats all people making the minimum wage as if they are teenagers in high school working at McDonald’s. Honestly, I couldn’t get through the entire article is was so nauseating and poorly written. It is intended for uneducated and undereducated Americans whom Glenn Beck intends to take advantage of by brainwashing them to believe positions that don’t support their own interests.

      • http://www.mezzymusic.com/ Mezzy Music

        Actually, upon another look at it, it looks like the person who wrote this article was high on drugs.

      • katherine

        Oh there you are again smartly pants…You live for this don’t you ??we are so impressed already. Now you can go away and die because you have nothing to say anyway !

  • fire lion

    Republicans are scared. Their golden oldie “Obamacare” is losing steam. Polls and real world elections have shown that raising the minimum wage is incredibly popular and anyone running against it, loses.

    2014 is not going to be the good old white backlash of 1980 1994 or 2010.

    Carl rove might have to check the numbers again.

    • Guest

      I agree with you, obamacare is losing steam, and it’s heading for the train wreck Max (I’m now an ambassador) Baucus predicted it would be.

    • katherine

      You got it right but a lot of people like Glenn hate it when people like you and me are on the right side of an issue. They rely on brainwashing the populist.

  • fire lion

    Hey glenn get some of your 1 percenter buddies and have them defend their record exec bonuses and why they cannot afford the minimum wage. Ask them why most of their workers are on food stamps.

    Yeah you have no answer.

    • Guest

      Many of the 1% are supporters of lovers of obama and the left.

      • katherine

        Guest no name, please go die !

      • katherine

        Guest no name ,thanks for that gem …supporters of lovers of Obama ??? Really ?? Is that the best you have ?? Oh , and by the way , that’s Obama with a capital ! Haha haha . Names are allways capitalized !

        • katherine

          Hahahahahahaha ( take a breath ) hahaha hahaha ( wipe .y eyes ) who’s the ignorant now ?????

          • katherine

            My*

          • katherine

            One* better correct that !!

    • katherine

      Your so right. The top 1% is more than happy to let the taxpayers pick up the tab while they get huge tax breaks if the hire someone on assistance.

    • Guest

      That is a pretty drastic exageration.
      What about the Hollywood rich? The sports people making millions?

  • Socialism is Evil. Organized.

    If the differences between each of us were not so striking, the ideas of individual worth and individual liberty would not be so important.

  • katherine

    I think it’s a disgrace for a man that makes 30to 50 million a year ( Glenn Beck) to begrudge a hardworking person a wage that’s a mere slave wage, that won’t feed his children or keep a roof over their heads. There’s no justification or morality in that argument ! You can state all the facts and statistics you want , Glenn, but save that for judgement day !

    • Guest

      Had a problem comprehending the article, huh?

      • katherine

        Go die jerk ! You have nothing at all to say and you not impressing anyone but Glenn.

    • http://www.mezzymusic.com/ Mezzy Music

      I don’t think Glenn has to save it for judgement day…I think he is perfectly unhappy with himself as we speak. How could you not be?

  • katherine

    Glenn , you’ve just messed in you luxurious nest when you say only 1 percent work for minimum wage…if that’s so how could raising the minimum wage on those few workers possibly hurt the economy to any great degree ?? I think if I made over 30 million a year , I would stay out of a debate on increasing the minimum wage. Even your buddy Bill O’Reilly says the republicans are on the wrong side of opposing increasing the minimum wage.

    • Guest

      The increase restricts businesses from hiring lower skilled workers who
      would gladly accept a lower wage in exchange for experience. A study called “effects of the minimum wage on employment dynamics” from Texas A&M University found that: “a ten percent increase to the minimum wage results in a reduction of approximately one-quarter of the net job growth rate.” What Obama wants is a 40% increase.

  • Ron

    I do NOT want what I deserve; that’s why my CEO is JESUS. HE gives me soooo much more than I deserve. HE IS: the GREAT Provider. All you have to do is RECEIVE. How much college education do you need??? How many hours experience, training, apprenticeship, does it take???
    Get a clue.
    Keep it simple Stupid.

  • Guest
  • Anonymous

    Well we should have know the minimum wage would have something to benefit the unions. But that aside, if the minimum wage is raised, the people will be in for a shock when they file taxes and they get so much less in credits, such as earned income credit, where you can get back double what you pay in. But maybe that is the point. The companies will have to pay out more money, the employees will have to pay in more in taxes, and will not get it al back plus more than they paid in, so it is win win for the government. Seems like between this and Obamacare, someone wants businesses to not make any money at all. Some people don’t seem to understand that all these increases in employers bottom line will just have to be passed on to the public.

  • kurt blanchard

    Businesses have no ‘extra’ help that they let work, they run what they need because they are not idiots. Every time the minimum is raised, business owners yell against it with similar arguments, which are all the same arguments. Every time any cost goes up, they raise prices to compensate. That is business, every minimum wage increase just increases costs a bit to keep the bottom line, as is been proven by the past. The CBO has no crystal ball that gives them psychic power to predict any new job losses from a raise, which never occurred from any previous raise in pay. Australia has a tiered minimum wage, and their economy is doing good. Here, people have no spending money and they can’t pay their bills, about half the country is out of work, and businesses are closing for lack of business and excessive regulation. More customers would help them stay afloat. That’s what happened in Australia. Let the people have a raise for a change, then your billions in profit will be unaffected. Why bother to even work if the low pay encourages many to go on public assistance. Minimum wage is so low that it qualifies for full food stamps, the government is basically giving welfare to businesses that pay the low pay. Collecting welfare and getting food stamps give around twice the minimum pay, if you care about people working, make the jobs worth having. Reality.

  • RogerWorkman

    There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
    This article employs all three in supporting its (unclearly stated) central thesis that Americans are misinformed about the minimum wage.
    There is shame to go around. I feel dirty just for reading it.

  • Nichole

    The backbone of Becks argument is the number of and demographics of
    people earning minimum wage. Exactly minimum wage, not a penny more. So
    if someone makes 15 cents more than minimum wage then they are not
    included in his research/ number. This makes his facts useless.

    The
    whole point to changing the minimum wage is not to just cause change
    for people making one set dollar amount, it’s to target a population
    that makes under $10.10/hr.

    This also directly effects the people that make between 10-14 /hr – hopefully it should boost their wages as well.

    Anything
    under $10/hr is NOT a liveable wage! If you think so go get a job
    making that and try to survive. I will give you an example of living
    costs where I live (Austin).

    So say you make $10/hr (which is the
    average pay for a person without a college degree). So if you make
    $10/hr your net pay would be about $1450/mo. Public transportation is
    not available in my area.

    Rent for modest 1 BR apt – $700

    Utilities $225

    Phone and Internet – $100

    Car Payment – $300

    Car Insurance – $75

    Gasoline – $200

    Food – $250

    Toiletries – $25

    The no frills bills are $1875/mo

    You make $1450/mo

    = – 425/mo

    So
    you say: go to college. How can I? I already can’t afford my bills so I
    need to work a full time job plus a part time one just to make ends
    meet.There are not enough hours in the day to add school, even distance
    education, in.

    So you say: Pay cash for a car then you
    could knock $300 off your bills. HOW? I am just making barely enough to
    pay my bills! How am I supposed to save money to buy a car?

    So
    you say: Move then. Move where? The cities with jobs are the same
    cities that cost a fortune to live in. Same story just a different
    place.

    So you say: Look for another job then. I have! There are none that pay more.

    So you say: Okay start your own business then. With what capital? Remember, I make barely enough to survive.