IRS hearing devolves into shouting match after Lerner pleads the Fifth

Lois Lerner, the former IRS official at the center of the agency’s targeting scandal, was back on Capitol Hill this morning. Last year, Lerner invoked her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, and she took a similar stance this morning – refusing to answer any questions regarding her role in the scandal. The hearing went straight downhill from there.

Lerner responded to each of House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa’s (R-CA) questions by invoking the Fifth Amendment, which prompted Issa to proclaim there was “no point going forward” with the session. He then gaveled out the hearing.

That action incensed Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD), who proceeded to lash out, accusing Issa of running a “one-sided investigation” of the IRS’ inappropriate targeting of conservative groups. Issa responded by turning off Cummings’ microphone and closing up shop.

Check out the incident unfold below:

On radio this morning, Glenn, Pat and, Stu debated whether there would be any benefit in granting Lerner immunity so at least some information could be gleaned. Pat saw no harm in action, but Glenn wasn’t so sure.

“She’s not the fish we’re trying to fry, you know? Give her immunity. It’s been so long now. And every time, if you don’t give her immunity, she’s just going to keep doing this,” Pat agued. “So what have you got to lose? Give her immunity. See if she’ll testify. See if she’ll tell us what really happened here. And let’s move on. Let’s get to the bottom of it.”

But would Lerner actually spill any secrets even if she couldn’t incriminate herself? In Glenn’s opinion, the woman really believes she did nothing wrong, and she probably wouldn’t testify regardless.

“She didn’t think she did anything wrong. But she knows she’s doing stuff that’s borderline. Somebody gives you immunity. Do you testify,” Glenn asked. “I think these guys are so arrogant, so out of control.”

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  • landofaahs

    Special prosecutor with full subpoena powers on Lois and the president. No charges formerly until Obama is out of office so he cannot grant pardon. Gather the evidence and file charges the day after Pajama boy leaves office.

  • Anonymous

    Much of our government at all levels is dysfunctional, wasteful, abusive, ineffective and the inmates are running the asylum. As a public “servant,” which most of these people forget that is what they truly are, even the hired hands like Lerner need to be forced to testify. There should be no pleading the fifth for public servants and if they refuse to testify truthfully they should be jailed. I recall a reporter or two in the past jailed for taking the fifth for refusal to name sources. Public servants should be held to a high standard and no stonewalling permitted, period.

  • Tamera Jensen

    Well who can blame Lois…she’s probably scared to death….look what happened to Loretta Fuddy (really the plane crashes and she’s the only one who dies?) Lois knows too much but she might be safer than Loretta if she actually comes out with it. Course, she get’s on the bad side of progressivism the IRS might investigate her! Maybe that’s what she’s really afraid of.

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  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72EnfFysPFE Connor

    Left if the IRS did nothing wrong then why does she keep pleading the fifth? Why is the far left sending death threats to her to shut her up? See liberals we know you guys are just covering for your Lord and Savior.

  • Anonymous

    Do not give her immunity.she’s just as guilty as her superiors. She’s a real piece of work wasting everyone’s time a second time around invoking the 5th. Because she won’t speak the truth,her taxpayer funded pension should be revoked. How dare she refuse to tell the American people the truth,but suck our money up as if she deserved it? Sickening.

  • CrapsDealer

    That jackass Cummings had no question. He had a soap box he wanted to stand on.

  • Anonymous

    You KNOW we have tyranny in America when the government takes the 5th. She was a government employee the first time she pulled this. If there was truly any justice she would be in jail but justice fled from America several years ago.
    Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society.–Aristotle

  • Anonymous

    The justice system in America is complete JOKE! Who pays these clowns to do whatever they want, including refusal to testify or lieing under oath? Just remember Clinton hen he lied when swearing on the bible. And today, he’s still “adored” by his followers and raking in more bucks than ever for spewig his ignorance. Is it any wonder why America is going down the drain?

  • Anonymous

    I watched the video and didn’t see any kind of “match”. What I saw was Chairman Issa asking a couple of questions of Ms. Lerner, which she refused to answer, citing the 5th Amendment. Rep. Cummings was the only one shouting, and the content of his rant was patently irrelevant to the proceedings. Cummings’ tantrum should be an embarrassment to his colleagues, but it won’t be because Progressives live within an entitlement bubble that justifies any action because they feel that whatever they do is right, because they are doing it.

    Ms. Lerner cannot cite the 5th amendment in these proceedings, because she is not currently charged with a crime. I’ll say it again, She cannot ‘plead the 5th’ because she has not been charged with a crime. What she may be charged with eventually, is ‘obstruction’ of a congressional investigation:

    “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous
    crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in
    cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in
    actual service in time of War or public danger;

    nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb;

    nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,

    nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

    The questions being presented to Ms. Lerner in ‘the Oversight Committee’ proceedings are dealing with the process by which applications were screened for special review, and who set the parameters of the screening process; and the Committee’s oversight mandate lands squarely within that procedural terrain.

    The very fact that she is ‘pleading the fifth’ in these proceedings leaves a funny smell in the room. Shakespeare put the character of Ms. Lerner’s perfomance thus, “The lady doth protest too much, methinks”.

  • Anonymous

    “One sided investigation?” Really Mr. Cummings? Just how do you propose to get the answers if the other side refuses to provide information and invokes the “5th?” I’ve seen many futile temper tantrums in my day, but his being incensed over another of the Democratic parties puppets takes the cake. So, Mr. Cummings, how about you ask Mr. Obama why his administration targeted only conservative groups? What are the odds that ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of the groups audited were conservative? Start your investigation there and maybe you’ll have the answers.

  • Linda Farley Rogers

    Why not just throw her ass in jail

  • Karyn Lynn Hatfield

    I would say Lerner already knows what’s going to happen to her if she tells the truth. A very unfortunate accidental death, our government is very good at that. Death is what happens to the one’s who want to tell the truth about “the emperor”, and have proof to back it up. That’s the Chicago way, wonder who’s next?

  • Deckard426

    This is the same b-itch who will put you in jail if you make a subtraction error on your 79-page income tax report.

  • mawpuff

    Unfortunately, they have that attitude because they can! Boehner could easily do something about this by requesting an independent investigation. Why won’t he for pete’s sake?

  • Anonymous

    Call her back and give her a choice – Answer our questions or be held in contempt. You will go sit your pretty little ass in prison and stay there until such time you decide to answer the questions of this committee. End of discussion. Have the female marshalls there to escort her to prison, so she will see you mean business. Enough is Enough! We all know who she is protecting, and she really ought to realize he would throw her under the bus in a NY minute.

  • Anonymous

    Cummings was right, it was one sided, we asked questions and there were no answers. They are unbelievably arrogant on this. She is key since we need her to tells us whole gave her the order. Toss them all in jail for 30 days.

  • Raffing Out Roud

    waterboard her ass…

  • Anonymous

    He had planned on being a deterrent. Remember in Os own words only those that won’t answer have something to hide and this whole admin has been one big hid and seek game. They figure they can stall us out of the truth.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly, they are suppose to get paid for doing their job, she is not doing her job.

  • Anonymous

    Why isn’t this character concerned about the actual content of the proceeding? Why isn’t he concerned with the fact that this woman pleads the fifth on every question? Isn’t it completely telling that she is afraid to incriminate herself?? How cow! How on EARTH did we ever let things get to this point????

  • Anonymous

    You should see the video of the plane in the water, when slowed down and cleared up, you can see a diver right beside a very alive Fuddy. Then one set of pictures they tried to pawn off on us was a different plane.

  • David F Lanphere

    When are the people of the United States going to start putting these criminals in prison. I work for the federal government, and if I were to do half of the crimes the people at the IRS do every day, I would be in prison without my pension. for the rest of my life. Instead, the new boss wants to give them bonuses! people who work for a criminal infested organization do not deserve a bonus for just doing their job, but they do need a reality check where the ones who break the law, go away for a long time. This is exactly the time we know a supposed government employee is hiding criminal activity, when she continues to “Take the Fifth”. She is so deep in it that her eyes are brown!

  • Mary Doan

    She doesn’t WANT imunity, she wants safety for herself and her family.

  • Mary Doan

    Elijah didn’t have a “procedural question”. He had a REMARK that he wanted to say about Republicans. THAT’S why he was dissed.

  • David F Lanphere

    I have no sympathy for her. When you know that you are doing wrong, you stop. If your “superior” orders you to do something wrong, you record the discussion and report it. If you are an honest person, you quit the job! How do I know this, because that is how we deal with our Prima Donna’s. We document the problem and take them to court, as individuals. Why should the American people be stuck with a bill for the evil person’s crime. Sometimes we even get their document that allows them to work. Honest people do not work for the IRS!

  • Anonymous

    Mr. Cumming’s question was “What are you hiding?!” Which was directed at Chairman Issa, after the meeting was adjourned!

    WTF?

    Does Mr. Cummings realize that Lois Lerner was involved in a scandal? Of course its going to be one sided. The point of this was to discover what she knew!!!!

    He just wanted to bash republicans. That’s what he really wanted.

  • Victore Hammett

    Because that is her Constitutional right not to incriminate herself. You cannot take her pension without cause.and refusing to incriminate herself doesn’t rise to the level. You also cannot be held in contempt for exercising your Constitutional right.
    Why not call her in and grant her conditional immunity only on charges stemming from this situation that would be revoked if she refused to answer or if her testimony proves to be pujury. Once given immunity she would be compelled to answer or be held in contempt.
    The problem is that neither side really wants certain information to be made public, because it is much easier to cast political accusations in the absence of facts, and I no one in the political arena would want to open Pandora’s box with someone who knows where both sides bodies are buried.

  • Anonymous

    Do we remember the representative that said that Rahm Emanuel threatened him naked in the Congressmen’s shower? That guy, a democrat, Rep Massa, “retired” a short while later without casting his vote for/against Obamacare. Whatever was said or done was enough to intimidate that guy right out of office! I think Lerner’s been seriously threatened – by people so far up the ladder as to convince her to plead the fifth and even go to jail. I don’t think it’s her arrogance, as much as it is her real fear in protecting herself and her loved ones. To me, that is the only reason anyone would refuse to answer in this situation. My question, Has she been promised safety in exchange for her silence?

  • Anonymous

    She is rooting for immunity and that should never happen. As long as we, the American people, do not know who ordered the IRS targeting of conservative groups. Even if you would give her immunity, she got already her marching orders what she can and can not say. Why don’t they put her into a real court and if she does not talk march her off to prison for a long time and forfeit all her government pensions.

  • takeyourballsandgohome

    Why do people vote for jacka$$es like Cummings is beyond me!

  • Anonymous

    How come Lois Lerner doesn’t get that every time she says she won’t answer questions she’s digging herself a hole she’ll never get out of? If she wasn’t guilty the way she thinks she’s not she would answer any question that gets asked. All she had to say was she and the other people who were sending questionnaires to Tea Part members figured they were groups who wanted tax-exempt status just the way some other political organizations do. The IRS was probably trying to do everyone in those Conservative groups a favor.

  • Anonymous

    Totally right, he was just doing what Liberals do best, deflect and use the situation for propaganda!

  • Anonymous

    It is a political circus!

  • Layla Godey

    Complete mess. Lerner won’t answer questions. Cummings is making a statement about Republicans (which he does have a right to do, but this was not the time nor the place). Meeting adjourned, nothing learned, the IRS continues out of control. Aint America grand?!

  • Anonymous

    I wish they would have the power to expose the evil, which hides behind her. She is just making fun of the whole committee while the Left is still insisting that these are trumped up charges. What a farce!

  • CrapsDealer

    Agreed! Issa screwed up the first time Lerner took the fifth. She spoke before she did so, and therefore gave up her right…at least that’s my understanding. They should have slapped contempt charges on her right then and there.

  • Tim

    The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides that “no person … shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.” Before it ever appeared in the U.S. Constitution (fully ratified in 1791), the privilege against self-incrimination was employed widely throughout the 13 colonies. The early settlers and colonists brought the doctrine with them from England; it is not an American invention. It was added as the fifth Bill of Rights to remove all doubt that it was the Law of the Land. The 14th Amendment made it applicable to all of the States. The US Supreme Court then expanded the doctrine through a series of cases to apply not only to criminal cases and police interrogations, but also to “any other proceeding, civil or criminal, formal or informal, where [one's] answers might incriminate him.” The right also prohibits prosecutors from making reference to a defendant’s refusal to take the stand and juries are admonished in criminal cases that they are to make no inference from a defendant’s refusal to take the stand. The Court has also held that a person could invoke the Fifth Amendment due to a concern about future criminal proceedings which had not even commenced.

  • Chip Bresett

    The really sad part isn’t so much Lerner, or Cummings, or Reid. or Pelosi. or Obama et al, it is the fact that there are people who stick up for, cheer on, and vote for this insanity. There really is no “sleeping giant” that is going to save us, there are only sad people mourning the death of this once great country, and the purchased masses applauding the firing squad. God help us ALL.

  • Chip Bresett

    And what exactly does she not want to incriminate herself on, considering this is a no scandal, and she did nothing wrong. She may not have to worry about the courts, but we all know.

  • David A. Schiferl

    There is parliamentary procedure to have some one held in contempt. The particular chamber of Congress where the possible contempt took place has to decide by a vote if said individual was in contempt or not. The penalty is up to 1 year in prison and up to a $1000 fine.

  • Tim

    This is about police interviews but the same principles apply. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

  • David A. Schiferl

    Actually an individual can be held in contempt of Congress if they obstruct of the business of Congress.

  • ACA

    I worked in a position which involved public trust, whenever there was
    an incident that potentially involved criminal prosecution I was informed of my
    Miranda rights,at which point I or any other employee would always refuse to
    answer any questions.

    My employer would read what amounted to a reverse Miranda admonishment
    in which I was told I had no right to refuse to answer questions that pertained
    the performance of my duties. Any information of a potential criminal
    nature that was obtained could not be used against me in court however it did
    not prevent my employer from terminating my employment if I had committed a
    major procedural violation or had violated the law.

    Politicians and public employees should be held to the same standards,
    at least there would be a fear of loosing ones job or pension for committing
    wrong doing against the people.

  • BlueMN

    Some crazy thing in the US Constitution called “Due process.”

  • Moke

    Hold her in contempt in Guantanamo until she is ready to talk. She would fit in nicely with other terrorists!

  • Chuck Werner

    Get others to throw her under the bus. I am sure there are those who were below her level that would love to fry her. Put her in a position to be prosecuted and see how fast she sings.

  • Chuck Werner

    She made a statement. She has no right to the Fifth.

  • Anonymous

    Ms. Lerner’s lawyers are interested in only one thing. They have to make sure that there is NO direct connection between the I.R.S. and the White House. If an e-mail shows up or another witness shows up that directly connects the President with orders to the top management of the I.R.S. this whole case will suddenly take on new meaning. There are MANY people in the White House who are scared to death that another major “leak” in this case will occur……

  • RP

    Contempt of court ,put her ass in jail and she will give it up faster than a Black on Black shooting in Chicago.

  • Anonymous

    She hurt so many people, 1 year jail and $1000 fine is just a slap on the hand, she deserves a far greater punishment!

  • Anonymous

    Cummings is a Progressive Marxist Nazi Jim Crow KKK bagman … He reminds me of Dathan from the Old Testament who tried to under mind Moses in freeing the slaves. Dathan was the top slave master and overseer for the Pharaoh. He wanted to keep his people in slavery so he could continue to feast n the crumbs off the table of power.

  • Anonymous

    That’s not it, look at her when she reads her response and shortly after. There isn’t any fear in her face, there is arrogance. She shrugs right after she finishes speaking and shakes her head “yes” with her eye brows raised, head slightly tilted as if saying “I’m not going to talk, what are you going to do about it?” She then takes a deep breath, as if thinking “now its over.” I wish they hadn’t switched cameras away from her, I think a smile/smirk was going to be next…

  • Anonymous

    Cummings didn’t have a question, he even said so to start with. He said “Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman, I have a statement…” If he had a question, why didn’t he just ask it instead of going in to a long winded speech. He opens it with “Mr. Chairman you can not run a committee like this.” All he was doing was trying goad Issa into an argument. Issa even let him speak much longer than it would have taken to ask a question before he first got up to leave. Issa was quite polite to Cummings, while Cummings was very antagonistic towards Issa. The only shouting was from Cummings… I guess when you don’t get your way, a tantrum is in order? You see this in children, it shouldn’t be seen in a member of Congress… grow up Cummings.

  • noSlaveHere

    Why can’t the groups affected sue her personally? They have the emails (at least enough of them to show she was personally involved). Let her defend herself at her own peril. She can be convicted in her own silence. Then sue the IRS for negligent retention. Some way or another, she should be held accountable for her mischief. I’m angry that she attempted to alter a political outcome. What ever happened to government employee neutrality in the political arena? Why is the Justice Department not pressured into doing its job here? This is more than a casual moral lapse, this is at the very least unethical and highly more likely, illegal. Bankrupt her!

  • Anonymous

    1. Lerner doesn’t believe that she did nothing wrong. She knows she is up to her neck in the administration’s violations.
    2. She has been gently informed by her superiors, that she is a dead woman if she says anything to the Congress.
    3. She knows that if she tells the truth, she will die in a plane crash, or have a heart attack while walking down the street, or she will “commit suicide” in a park in DC.
    4. She knows that she is a walking time bomb who could destroy most of the members of this administration.
    5. She also knows that invoking the Fifth amendment, is tantamount to admitting to all the charges. She has already perjured herself but doesn’t care as long as she gets to live, even if it means going to Federal Prison.
    6. If and when the press and the government decide to investigate the criminals in the Administration, and it looks like the truth is going to come out, she will sing like a canary to save her hide. Some bit player like her, will not be willing to take a fall for Obama and his minions.
    7. She is just following orders through the whole sordid affair. She has just done what she was told to do. She is just a small link in the chain, a Sargent in Obama’s army. She is probably terrified to see what is going to happen to her when it all plays out.

  • Anonymous

    She needs to know that she will never be safe if she implicates Obama in the scandal. She has surely been told as much, that she and her family will meet an unfortunate accident if she says anything.

  • Anonymous

    They are trying “Due Process” and you can see how far they are getting.
    There are things they can do during the Due Process, like being sent to jail for contempt of Congress. That’s the whole reason for taking the Fifth, to avoid lying to the Congress. If she says she didn’t do something and then they show her the evidence that she did it, she goes to jail right away, for perjury.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bruce.creech.5 Bruce Creech

    Again, Cummings doesn’t want to get to the bottom of this. He is only interested in trying to protect the POTUS and Democrats. His outburst of being a US Congressman was over the top. He is no more “Entitled” to any preferential treatment than any other US citizen. The Dems are snow-balling the investigation and morons like Cummings continue to blame Republicans for wanting to get to the bottom of this. I, for one, want to know why Tea Party groups were targeted and not liberal groups. Here’s the deal. This is the most corrupt admin ever to disgrace the WH. Obama tells one lie after another and the liberal base continues to support it! Shame on these morons for putting political agendas ahead of the truth!

  • ken.

    give her swirly’s in really dirty toilets.

  • Anonymous

    Shut up you Stinkin’ Sub-human mongrel Cummings. I’ll give you a menthol candy for your Dick Breath, A$$HOLE !

  • Anonymous

    Ms Lerner another SUB-HUMAN MONGREL !

  • Keith M

    Congress can hold Ms. Lerner in contempt even if she doesn’t have immunity.

  • Keith M

    The meeting was adjourn by the ranking member. Issa is entitled to adjourn the meeting, Ms, Lerner took the 5th, so Issa felt she would not answer questions and adjourn.

  • Anonymous

    she would be dead in a week in Prison. they will never let her tell her story.

  • Angel Ferrer

    Cummigs a commie wants her gestapo woman to go free so he can investigate more people

  • Deckard426

    When asked if she was a stinking whore, Lerner responded, “Define stinking.”

  • John Scott

    Waste of time, they don’t have the power to make her talk. Unless she get’s immunity.
    I guess if you think this goes as far as the President. Then give it to her and get the higher ups. But at this point its going nowhere.

  • Artur Payne

    What did Cummings say about “He can take a (ineligible) funeral this Sunday?????”
    Did anyone catch that???

  • John Scott

    If this was reversed the Republicans would be doing the same as Cummings.
    Mr. Cummings rambled on like this was a witch hunt. When in fact the problem is a lack of any witness who want to tell the facts. If they all clam up, then you have nothing. Benghazi will end up the same. The power right now is Democratic so they win. If your hoping for a smoking gun, its been holstered and locked away.

  • John Scott

    Yes, the screw ups continue in Washington. All these people have to do is deny and take the 5th. Be nice to take Lerner and water board the truth out of her. But that won’t happen.

  • Guest

    Did anyone ever tell you that your are as dumb as a box of hammers?

  • Andie37/

    I lve the way he cut that mic off.

  • Raymond Smith

    Throw the b***tch in prison along with the foreign born muslim and his butt buddy holder

  • Raymond Smith

    Crackhead cummings. Good Lord. Who votes for garbage like this?

  • Anonymous

    Yup, you. I’ll take that as a compliment seeing as hammers aren’t very dumb at all. They build things. Are you going to be the nail or the board?

  • Terry A. Roberts

    I love it. Please do not believe there are still Republicans and Democrats. There is just a gray party of thieves. If they know it or not they are part of a grand conspiracy. Please wake up.

  • Ron Rose

    DOES ANYONE FIND IT STRANGE AND ODD FOR AN AGENCY WHO CLAIMS INNOCENCE AND NO WRONG DOING CONTINUING TO PLEAD THE FIFTH EVERY TIME THEY GET CALLED UP TO THE PLATE?

    IF THE IRS HAD A MONICA LEWINSKY DRESS FOR A LITMUS TEST THAT DRESS WOULDN’T EVEN LOOK LIKE A DRESS ANYMORE.

  • Ron Rose

    A “SOAP” Box would give him the appearance of a little cleanliness. Just sayin’.

  • Ron Rose

    Yup, he was only killing time to disrupt the hearing.

  • Ron Rose

    Lock her up in a holding tank (no private one man cell) with street wise criminals, she be talking in record breaking speed.

  • Ron Rose

    Lock her up in a holding tank (no private one man cell) with street wise criminals, she be talking in record breaking speed. And let her use all purpose soap, she will be scared straight.

  • Ron Rose

    She wouldn’t last the night once she saw her new rubberized all purpose mattress.

  • Guest

    Hammers don’t build anything – they are tools of their handlers.

    I will be neither the nail or the board. That is another example of your lunacy.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks again. I’d rather be a lunatic and figure life needs building than looking for times to be angry and tear someone down with insults.

  • Robo

    Ask your question and quit using the proceedings as a soapbox ya moron.

  • On Guard!

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