‘This doesn’t even seem real’: European hospitals burning aborted fetuses for heat

There is a truly gruesome report out of the UK that rivals the atrocities committed by former abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell at his Philadelphia clinic. According to The Telegraph, the bodies of thousands of aborted and miscarried babies were incinerated as clinical waste, with some even used to heat National Health Service hospitals around the United Kingdom. On radio this morning, Glenn reacted to the story that he likened to the plot of a “dystopian horror movie.”

Get Glenn Live! On TheBlaze TV

“This is one of the worst stories I’ve ever heard. This is Mengele stuff. This is truly Mengele,” Glenn said. “ They are using aborted babies and miscarried babies in the furnace to help heat the hospital so the hospital can stay green. It’s a green hospital, you know.”

The Telegraph’s science correspondent Sarah Knapton reports:

Ten NHS trusts have admitted burning foetal remains alongside other rubbish while two others used the bodies in ‘waste-to-energy’ plants which generate power for heat.

Last night the Department of Health issued an instant ban on the practice which health minister Dr. Dan Poulter branded ‘totally unacceptable.’

At least 15,500 foetal remains were incinerated by 27 NHS trusts over the last two years alone, Channel 4’s Dispatches discovered.

According to the report, Addenbrooke’s in Cambridge, one of the UK’s leading hospitals, incinerated 797 babies at their own ‘waste to energy’ plant. These babies had not yet reached 13 weeks gestation, and the mothers were told the remains had been ‘cremated.’ Another ‘waste to energy’ facility at Ipswich Hospital, which is operated by a private contractor, incinerated 1,101 fetal remains between 2011 and 2013.

While the report has garnered widespread discuss and horror, Stu couldn’t help but question the sincerity of the outrage.

“My main question was: If you support abortion, why do you think this is even a story? Why are they banning it? What’s the problem? Who cares if they are freaking burning fetuses for heat,” Stu asked. “The answer, of course, is that they are lying. They don’t care… This is your happy intersection between green energy and universal health care. Welcome to it,” Stu said.

Anyone who respects the sanctity of life, however, has every right to be repulsed by this tragedy. Sadly, this story has received far too little coverage.

“You’re entering the Mengele territory. Remember, it was the progressives here in America and the Fabian Socialists over in Europe that taught the Germans all about eugenics and the value of life,” Glenn concluded. “But this is what happens after 100 years of Fabian Socialism and progressivism… This is where we’re headed… ‘Look, we have to have clean energy, and we have to heat our hospitals. So just use the dead babies.’ That’s crazy! That doesn’t even seem real. How is that not on the front page of every newspaper?”

Read the full report from The Telegraph HERE.

  • landofaahs

    What did Nazi’s do that was more sick? It seems the only people who have rights anymore are communists, murderers of children, perverts, homosexuals, drug dealers, drug users, thieves, Knaves, haters of Christians, muslims, atheists, unions and evil in general. Of course some of these overlap into others, but this seems to be the main protected classes.

  • Mike

    Well I am sure the exact same people who love the right to kill babies are happy about this carbon neutral method of heat generation

  • landofaahs

    God has turned them over to reprobate minds. The left no longer have the ability to reason. They are followers of their father satan and have thrown themselves into a maddened frenzy of destruction.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like The Matrix, using humans as energy.

  • landofaahs

    69 years later, Hitler has won and taken over Europe and most of America. His ideology lives on in the so-call progressivism on the left.

  • Anonymous

    Soylent Green anybody?

  • Anonymous

    My thoughts, exactly. Food riots over dead bodies!!! SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!!!!

  • Dave

    There is no England anymore!

  • Anonymous

    I guess that removes your responsibility to minister the life of Jesus to them huh?

  • Boo2

    Amen landofaahs! These are the last days.

  • http://drudgereport.com/ Myles Standish

    Hard to believe?? Is it real?? Does sound like a sick movie plot. But in this day and age of disposable life, it seems par for the course, sadly enough. Little shocks us anymore, and this is one of the reasons why. The end times are indeed upon us when we are burning unwanted/inconvenient babies to heat a HOSPITAL of all things. The irony turns my stomach. Imagine the outcry of this bassackwards world if they were burning baby seals or spotted owls.

  • Hugh Jass

    How do we know that burning babies is carbon neutral? Were there tests? Clean baby vs clean coal?

  • Anonymous

    disgusting!

  • http://www.full-stop.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/SHU-2-982x1024.jpg T.A. Conscience

    Socialized medicine devalues life. Life becomes cost prohibitive in all stages where productivity is limited, because productivity means revenue (tax). The unproductive can be used for other ‘useful’ purposes.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72EnfFysPFE Connor

    This is Baal worship. That is all liberalism is. They worshiped the earth and killed their Children as well. I am sorry liberals but you cannot not call yourselves progressives if you still believe in barbaric acts that has been dead for hundreds of years.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXRC57Ja1Sk

  • Anonymous

    So true. We really need to prioritize our species and our natural rights over all other things, because we are treading the path that leads to extinction.

  • FL

    How could it be considered horrible? They aren’t deemed human, just human waste. and we flush that all the time. (BTW) I’m not arguing for this, I am just looking at it objectively. It is acceptable to destroy these fetus’s chances at life outside the womb, but for some unexplainable reason it isn’t ok to use that destruction as a benefit because the fetus’s have claimed some benevolent status after they have been destroyed? ANY politician that isn’t fighting for abortion to stop yet is fighting for the burning to stop, is a hypocrite, but then again, aren’t they all.

  • jas1019

    God is patience is long-suffering, however, we have truly reached the point where we have so offended Him, when His wrath is finally poured out on this world, it will make the plagues of Egypt look like a picnic.
    Please make sure you have Jesus as Risen Lord and Savior of your life. Without Him, the price will be your eternal soul.

  • Beth Garlitz

    soylent green book and movie …humans for food is next

  • Anonymous

    Whatever the reason for this story, (burning of babies bodies to provide heat) i.e., whether truth or disinformation, it is technically a non-starter. There is no way the combustion of a human body can provide heat. A human (or any animal) body is mostly liquid, and non combustible liquids at that. Consider, blood, water, urine, faeces, sweat. Bones? Anyone who has ever tried to incinerate a bone will know that the energy input to burn a bone is far, far greater than any energy out. So a human body requires an external heat input to “burn”. Burning something means raising the temperature of that thing until any combustible components ignite. Typically as an object increases in temperature any contained gases, are expelled to the surface of the object, at which it will either combust, or decompose, into component gases, all of which extracts heat from the fuel being burnt. Sorry Glenn, I’ve watched you for years, and admire you and your work, but in this one I fear that you are being led astray. Please, don’t believe me about this combustion thing, I’m just an old steam engineer, ask a combustion specialist. Brgds.

  • Mike Nelson

    There is enough wrong with this story/behavior that we need not go to Nazism to find a reason to call it a travesty.

    The Nazis put living people into ovens and gas chambers in front of their families, used those family members to perform post-murder cleanup, and then even made soap from the remains. They performed hideous and torturous experiments on living, conscious people. They lashed Jewish women down to be raped by their dogs.

    Downgrading the Holocaust for any reason is bad practice, and has become as widespread a malpractice to be viewed by the younger generation as a mere meme… and regarding such practices, you forgot to name anti-Jews.

  • Anonymous

    We reap what we have sown. We closed the door on God. Now, satan is working with the children [ adults ] of disobedience. We are going to see more and more immoral acts so long as we continue to shut God out.

  • Recovering Socialist

    I find it sad that europe’s worst health care system is hailed as the way thing are in all of europe, which is not true. I grew up and lived in Belgium and I have never seen or heard of things like that. Yet in England which has the worst health system in the world these things happen, England doesn’t consider themselves as being part of Europe, and nor do we consider them European. I wish that here in the US they would stop telling people when things happen in England that is therefore the case in all of Europe, most Western European have great health care system, Yes, they are not free due to high cost in taxes. None the less in Belgium, people have healthcare but they still pay part of the bill, it isn’t free like in England which is 100% supported by taxes.I can only speak for Belgium, since that is where I am from, but stop saying Europe if you’re talking about England, Europe is difference. And although I don’t like socialist medicine because of it’s high hidden cost , I do believe in affordable healthcare in a free market environment. What is happening in England is bad, it the true face of the left, which is ugly and pure evil, the same evil, that is destroy my home country

  • Anonymous

    They are miscarried and aborted babies. Not alive. No Mengele stuff. The babies probably know what they were in for when they came into the amount of time they had. Their souls are back in heaven waiting to find another body to come back into. The bodies of the people they could have been as the ones being used for heat. It’s a useful purpose. Maybe they gave their stem cells to people who needed them before serving to warm the hospital where those recipients are. Would you rather the bodies be thrown away in dumpsters instead?

  • Anonymous

    Glenn is covering a story by The Telegraph. He isn’t arguing the science behind it. Only the ethics.
    Besides, if you introduce the human body to a hot enough heat source, it will reach combustion. I’m not going to assume they are just holding a light under a pile of bodies without a fuel source.

  • bigbpete

    having personally seen a human body combust with no accelerant save only the clothing being worn — I respectfully disagree. It burned for hours, quite slowly in fact with no outside heat source save the tank the poor soul was occupying and the tank quit burning before the soldier. You are correct, the bones were left behind…

  • Jeo Ten

    So Glenn, what exactly do they do with aborted fetuses, aside from the cremation method of course? Serious question. Not that I want to know really, but the story brings up a larger question.

  • Anonymous

    good job, dude!

  • Kathy Biggers McGill

    What is the problem?(sarcasm) It is no different than cremation. Actually, I think they should be making food out of them next. If not to feed humans, definitely to feed animals. I want to throw up! There is just no respect for human life any longer…

  • Jenn

    I would rather these aborted babies be given a proper burial…

  • Anonymous

    Exactly what I’m thinking. To cremate a body, one must use high source of heat, otherwise bones in particular will not turn to ashes.

  • Jenn

    that queen b***h over here knows all about this but does nothing…she is heartless…Christianity is dead over here….she cares more about queers getting their so called “gay marriage” than the life of an unborn child…

  • Jenn

    a green hospital with blood on its hands…doesn’t seem green to me…what a bunch of sick pigs…

  • Anonymous

    Why use Englans as an example? Why not talk about the MILLIONS killed in the good old USofA? How did they dispose of those fetuses?

  • Jim

    I saw that story and thought it couldn’t possibly be true. What administrator would propose anything like this at any board meeting. Is there independent verification?

  • The truth about spammers

    Folks, “fawnday” is the typical Liberal Progressive who is destroying this country. Remember his comment here.

    Save the Planet, vote conservative!

  • Guardian

    @lamreplete Ever hear of spontaneous human combustion? The body is found burned or partially burned, while nothing else in the room is burned.

    They still don’t know what causes it and it happens without the application of an external heat source.

  • anony14

    Before 13 weeks, there’s not much bone.

  • Edie Simmons

    Glen why are you stirring up this story

  • Hand of Doom

    This is absolutely shameful to do this in the name of “Green Energy”.

  • Chris Murphy

    the fat from the body burns as fuel

  • Edie Simmons

    I bet if your daughter was raped at 13 and could die giving birth it’s no ones business .Abortion the Gays Glen Becks news and always the poor getting some food stamps are medical care, It’s sad damaged people feed off this ,abortion should be kept private and not in the news . ,I’m sick of it being there it’s not entertainment, Grand babies asking me Grandma what’s an abortion Grandma what does being gay mean, John 3’16 I will wash away your sin

  • Anonymous

    They’re not actually burning them for heat but as a convenient means of disposal; and this all because they neither respect human life nor fear the Lord God. Time for everyone to wake up and smell the coffee!

  • Anonymous

    Beg pardon, it’s her. Not him. And last I checked I haven’t destroyed the planet. Besides, how can thinking that a body is only something that is a temporary house for a soul be planet destruction? Especially when that body is serving a larger purpose. After a miscarried or aborted baby gives stem cells and heat the cremated ashes could be used for compost in gardens. Giving life from death doesn’t seem very planet-destroying.

  • Anonymous

    That would be nice but rather impractical. Thanks for answering the question.

  • Anonymous

    Are you an ef-ing nut? Don’t answer, it’s a rhetorical question!

  • Dave S

    There is no way a fetus is fuel. A lot of fuel must be used to incinerate biological waste which is considered a hazardous material ..

  • Anonymous

    That’s the irony and hypocrisy of it, is it not? Fallen humanity is evil personified.

  • Dave S

    Well? What do you tell them ?? I truly am interested..

  • Dave S

    Yeah my wife does that every time I leave the toilet seat up

  • Take 2

    I been researching Malaria in Africa for X years… Searching for graves? Where are all the millions of dead babies ie small every 20 sec. dead children (via malaria. )

    Keep in mind DDT a miracle powder is totally safe to use and I know both sides leading experts on the subject.

    We estimate close to a billion babies have gone up in ”SMOKE”… A very common genocide cover up by populationist is burning the evidence.

  • Dave S

    Will someone who approves posts tell me why mine wasnt approved?

  • Marcos Hardy

    Didn’t Fabian moved on to become a pop star? Maybe that happened when he applied the simple Entropy equations of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and realized that it takes more energy to generate a fire than the caloric energy that is produced by incinerating a fetus in that fire. But, what the heck, it is not in Science that we are interested in in Da Blaze. Ain’t it? We’re Creationists, after all.

  • Marcos Hardy

    Or smell burning fetuses?

  • Forrest Carlton Lackey

    Or Moloch from the Old Testament.

  • landofaahs

    Please don’t assume I have no knowledge of the holocaust. You have no idea what my ethnic background is.

  • landofaahs

    And what would you know of it? Jesus sent the disciples out and told them to tell the good news and anyone who would not receive it, knock the dust of your feet as you leave. It would be better for Sodom and Gomorrah in the last days than for that city. These people have all heard numerous times and have rejected it.

  • Mike Nelson

    As I have said before, I have tended to agree with 95% of what you post, though your recent behavior gives me pause to re-evaluate this position as I find that you appear to be on the attack against me. In this case, you asked:

    “What did Nazi’s [sic] do that was more sick?”

    I fail to see an assumption in my post, but rather a direct and factual answer, spoken in respectful terms. It appears however that you may have neglected to abide your own request for decency; in point of fact I fail to see what relevance your ethnic background has to do with the question you asked.

    May I know: have you developed a personal animosity toward me? If yes, may I know the reason?

  • Rob Wolgemuth

    He was just letting you know that your little allusion was not only inaccurate but very spectacular and inappropriate for this discussion. Your ignorance has nothing to do with your ethnicity.

  • Rob Wolgemuth

    That doesn’t matter so much if you believe in an afterlife then, does it?

  • Rob Wolgemuth

    As long as you’re not fearmongering or anything…

  • Guardian

    LMAO funny stuff.

  • Rob Wolgemuth

    Whatever accommodations you’re willing to make in order to make his fantastical “news coverage” sound less unreasonable.

  • Rob Wolgemuth

    Really Glenn Beck? Stop censoring me.

  • Rob Wolgemuth

    As I was saying way to go primordial on his self

  • Guest

    .

  • Anonymous

    I know what you mean. My post below is waiting approval [three hours] and it contains nothing that approaches the halfway point in bad language as commonly seen here.

  • Jenn

    there is no love of life I this world anymore…Hitler,Stalin and all the others along with Satan (Obama) just don’t care about anything but themselves…God help us all..

  • Finch

    Blah, blah, blah…You’re not speaking for the whole Europe, as I’m a Dutchman and I consider talk about England not being part of Europe simply laughable. Sure there are differences, but there are even significant differences between Belgium and Holland as you know. And the worst healthcare system in the world? How about the US, where millions of people are UNINSURED. And for you’re information: there’s no true free market anywhere in Europe, as the industry is HEAVILY regulated, as it goddamn should. In Holland we’ve moved more towards a “free market” in the last decade and it only made things worse and more expensive.

  • Anonymous

    Not totally sure why, but the first thought upon reading this was the title to a movie I saw part of around 1967. The title was: Stop the World, I want to Get Off. And to be honest, the world has gotten so bizarre, I am more than ready to move on to the eternal world. I don’t believe the hospital personnel are upset that dead babies were being used for fuel. They knew what was going on, there is no way that practice could have gone on that long, using that many dead babies without the knowledge and consent of someone in charge. They are upset that the word got out and their craven disregard for human decency was exposed. Brave new world, we are there and beyond.

  • ConcernedMommy

    Lam, thanks for going all scientific on the subject, but in this case, none of that matters. It’s a moral issue, period. It doesn’t matter whether the babies made the fire hotter or whatever, its the fact they were disposed of with ‘other ruble’ and essentially burned for heat. Unfortunately, I suffered a miscarriage in January. My family was and still is devastated. My five year old named the baby Sunshine Love. The thought that someone would violate my trust and desecrate my little Sunshine’s body that way is disgusting.

  • Anonymous

    It’s God’s job to judge and our job to love. That’s all I’m saying.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sure the Germans “rationalized” what they were doing,too…as the people looked on.

  • Anonymous

    If you line those bodies up in an open field and set them on fire at night they explode like a small rocket and sparks fly everywhere. Sound vile and inhuman, probably less than a attempt to lower your heating bill with that ‘material’ !!!

  • Anonymous

    Dave S, join the human race of manliness. If you miss and leave a ‘drop ‘ on the floor, wifey get’s the cat to piss on the top of my car. Car wash wondered what the yellow stain on my roof was, I was too embarrassed to explain. Maybe now they will know. Sorry Jose….

  • Anonymous

    You are absolutely right, arguing about the scientific execution of this atrocity is an indication of the worlds growing worship of technology over what should be moral and ethical repulsion. Soon we will be discussing how to kill a child reproduced by computer programed reproduction, because the poor little girl’s nose was too big. It’s coming amigo…

  • Anonymous

    Have you told her to leave the seat up after she is done?

  • Anonymous

    God’s a snitch and a really old school party pooper. He is not needed in a world where everybody is equal and walking in lock step to the beat of a really intelligent, science oriented, human genius government who keeps everybody in line without all these silly churchified rules. Or there is Siberia.

  • Anonymous

    Meat obviously……..

  • Anonymous

    It’s a hospital you don’t want to know. I don’t eat tacos in the hospitals cafeterias. lol

  • Anonymous

    Absolutely true 1019 but man generally doesn’t believe all that Egyptian folklore. Even the majority of church sitters. Hang on, Biblically we know what happens to believers at the end of this dispensation, don’t we?

  • Anonymous

    Jane Fonda carrying a sign don’t kill our seals. Maybe not Jane but you get the point. Watch the movie Noah, he hated humans enough to go berserk wanting to off his whole family. The world doesn’t have it back words, they have it inside out.

  • Anonymous

    Sick Pigs, now there’s a movie someone should make.

  • Finch

    Isn’t it funny though, that the standard of living, human rights, reduction of the level of poverty and access to healthcare is about the highest in the world in the least religious countries like Sweden, Holland, Finland and Japan? Your God has surely blessed the godless of this world (and don’t bring up North Korea, a country that is basically a dictatorial theocracy with a deified Leader cult)!

  • Anonymous

    Well your right Finch. God’s the problem. Damn good Ole Stalin had the answer he just didn’t have the technology that let’s say Obama has to regiment the populous perfectly that a successful individuality destroying system needs to work smoothly. Golly, we’re lucky to live in the age that is beginning to reach this Nirvana on earth.

  • Anonymous

    Ya, get brave Dave.

  • Anonymous

    Want a scary fact. Righteousness is not our nature. Believing God will assist us in reaching that level has been the glue that has helped America be the envy of a corrupt world. We are giving that help back to the Creator and in essence telling Him we don’t need Him anymore. A mistake of monumental size. Get on your knees and ask for forgiveness, do your best to revers course and He promises to save our nation. Keep going and the evil is really easy to engage in. It can be lucrative. Money and power- money and power.

  • Finch

    You’re clearly a good listener of Beck, whose attempts at humor always consist of nothing but cheesy
    sarcasm, just like yours. The thing is, I’m not advocating anything near communism of even socialism and neither is any progressive I know. The constant verbal diarrhea from Beck and co painting progressives as blood thirsty satanic
    boogeymen is just plain idiocy and very dishonest. I may be miles away from you politically (and literally, as I’m a European), but I see no good in categorizing you as something you say you’re not. For me you’re my fellow brother human to whom I wish nothing but good and that’s where my politics are based on. I abhor any kind of authoritarianism, be it left or right. I was actually born in Russia and I’m frankly disgusted by the fact that a big chunk of Russian population still holds Stalin in such high regards. For me he’s on the same level of monstrous insanity as Hitler, so there’s no disagreement here. Our disagreement is about religion and the role of government and that’s fine. We can talk about the issues, but please lets be honest about each others views.

  • Anonymous

    Again fawn, you spit in God’s eye and don’t even understand that. Lady I will pray for you.

  • http://www.full-stop.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/SHU-2-982x1024.jpg T.A. Conscience

    SOYLENT GREEN IS…

  • Linda Arteman

    A fetus at under 13 weeks would hardly produce any heat. We’re talking about maybe 3 inches long. Hundreds of them may make a bucket full. The sad thing Is that they are considered “waste” along with the rest of the trash. Even when our pets die, we have them cremated and keep their ashes. Surely a dead human baby should be shown the same respect. But then, if it is willfully killed by its parents, there must not have been much respect for it’s life in the first place.

  • Anonymous

    Being uninsured does not preclude you from getting quality health care, just as being insured does not guarantee you quality health care. Insurance and health care are not the same thing and shouldn’t be interchanged as if they were. If health care in the US is a problem, then that is what should have been addressed. Instead, we are now mandated to buy a product which doesn’t really change the quality of health care.

  • Susan Lamothe Pinkard

    How is this any different than offering children to the fires of Molech in the Old Testament ? Isn’t the reason for going “Green” to preserve Mother Earth (Gaia)? How can anything be more demonic than this? What could possibly be so horrible in a woman’s life that would justify the indescribable violence and horror done to a child during abortion then to be burned in the fires of the god of political correctness?

  • Anonymous

    It’s not any different; except of course in our own deluded, self-righteous minds. The killing of babies is all done in the name of self because we see them as a burden in the pursuit of our own selfish fantasies. This is the Me culture. Most people that are earth worshipers use that religion as a disguise to placate the guilt of belonging to the aforementioned religion, the religion of Me!

  • Finch

    I’m not talking about the quality of healthcare, I’m talking about the quality of the healthcare system as a whole for the entire population. If a big chunk of the population
    has virtually no access to healthcare because they can’t afford it, while making too much to be eligible for programs like Medicaid or are uninsurable because of the preexisting conditions, your system as a whole is rotten to the
    core and the fact that your doctors are the best in the world does NOTHING for people who can’t make use of such doctors. And to have this situation in the wealthiest country in the history of mankind is frankly embarrassing. I’m not saying that current healthcare reform is perfect, but it at least tries to address these issues. It’s just plain human decency to care for the less fortunate and the fact that we in “godless, immoral, socialist” Europe manage to do that much better should embarrass you to no end.

  • Anonymous

    So they’re not burning them for heat. They’re burning them along with the trash that they are burning for heat. Oh, now I see how that makes it respectful of humanity. You just have to view it in the right context….the tiniest of humans are simply trash.

  • Anonymous

    Most doctor charge much less for people that don’t have insurance – about half the cost of people that do. I have never lived in a county that did not have a clinic available that charges based on income because it is subsidized by the state. If your income is low, yet you still make too much money for Medicaid, you can be seen at these clinics for free. Emergency rooms are not allowed to refuse service to someone based on their ability to pay so they receive the same health care as someone with insurance. In my particular state, if you cannot get insurance because of a preexisting condition, you can get insurance through the state high risk pool. You are assigned by the state to an insurance company that will then cover you, even with your preexisting condition because it is subsidized by the state. These have all been the case for years. Too many people that weren’t getting the healthcare they needed weren’t making an effort. They were waiting for someone to pass a poorly thought out law that would drop it in their laps. Even now most have been too indifferent to bother to sign up.

  • Finch

    So this is just a made up problem to you? Close to 50,000 preventable deaths and about 2,000,000 medical bunkruptcies a year are just all hot air? You live in a fantasy land and a pretty cold hearted one (and I’m not referring to the US),

  • Anonymous

    I never said the problem didn’t exist. Please don’t put words in my mouth. But, do explain to me why all of those millions of people that were being harmed before we had this law did not rush to sign up for this wonderful new health care. Perhaps because a law mandating the purchase of insurance did not make it any more affordable, now matter what they want to call it? Perhaps because many of these people live their lives as victims and will not take responsibility for themselves? Perhaps because the problem was not as big as they liked to claim that it was? Do you know that all of these victims that you refer to went through all of the channels that I outlined above? Because, quite frankly, you can go to the emergency room and be seen with no means to pay and they MUST treat you. You will certainly receive a bill, but as long as you are paying on it, there isn’t much they can do about it. Even if you only pay $25 a month……not likely to push you into bankruptcy. I’m not saying that things were perfect before, but this mandate has not done one thing to fix the problem. It has only compounded it. As far as being cold hearted, you couldn’t be more wrong. I am willing to help those around me and don’t require the government to do it for me.

  • Joe

    Innocent blood fore tells of the coming of Christ.

  • Anonymous

    Go right ahead and pray. You guys are thinking the babies are alive when they get put into fire. They aren’t. No doubt a mom who had a miscarriage or who had to abort her kid for whatever reason might get some peace from believing she did something wrong if she knew her baby died as a gift to someone who needed their usefulness. I’ve heard that women who get abortions are not all about getting pregnant so they can kill their babies. That is twisted and perverse if it happens. An awful lot of them spend the rest of their lives thinking about their babies.

  • Finch

    I don’t doubt that you’re an empathic person, as I believe most people are. What I call “cold hearted” is the ideological refusal to acknowledge that government can have a role in the well being of it’s people as it is the case with healthcare.
    Look at countries around the globe where quality healthcare is accessible to all its citizens. You’ll find out that those countries without exception have either an insurance mandate or a true single payer system. Now are there some problems like waiting lists in some of them? Yes, I won’t deny it. But the problems are nowhere near as bad as the right wing talking points would like you to believe and some problems and complications are to be expected when the governments’ healthcare policy is all inclusive (and the preventive care is big factor too, as it is expensive but pays out in the end). I’m sorry, but this idea that government mandating things is somehow an insult to your self-reliant dignity is just bullocks. People are not responsible all the time, it’s just not realistic. How about the mandatory seat belts, that’s just common sense right, why would I be pushed by the government to wear on, being a responsible citizen and all? And at same time, as you know, traffic deaths went down DRAMATICLY when the mandate was introduced, because people are not responsible all the time, even when they know that wearing one is much safer.

  • landofaahs

    If you agree with 95% of what I say, then it stands to reason that I agree with 95% of what you would say. I made a statement and you responded to me first, not the other way around. If there is an attack on someone, you would be the one who is guilty not me. I merely told you not to assume I know nothing about the holocaust or what my ethnicity is.
    Not even Nazi’s were so successfully evil that they could convince women to kill their own children. The Nazi’s had to do the killing themselves, whereas liberals have persuaded people to kill their own. In that respect, I don’t know how you could deny my statement. Frankly, I don’t really care if you agree with me or not. I’m not after approval but the truth.

  • landofaahs

    It is not inappropriate is as valid as can possibly be. Both have the common element of the devaluing of humanity. You ignorance is so impenetrable that it has dwarfed into stupidity.

  • landofaahs

    It’s not fear mongering when it’s true.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll bet not one person in 100000 believes that the babies were put into the incinerators alive. It’s simply preposterous that you think that is the case. No, the fact is the aborted ones were murdered somewhere else and casually thrown in the furnace with the rest of the trash. The issue at hand is the abortions in the first place not the disposal of the corpses. The majority of woman who receive abortions do not have them for any reason other than they no longer wish to be pregnant. Neither is the accusation made here that women get pregnant just to have abortions.

  • Melissa Berard

    Not trying to be disgusting…but….wouldn’t the babies just have ended up in the trash anyway? NO, I don’t agree with what they’ve done with heating the hospitals, but the fetus’s should have been cremated appropriately. I guess I never really asked what they do with the fetus’s once there removed? I wonder how the people that were IN these hospitals, at the time this was being done, feel? This story, I don’t know. Yes it’s a horrible thing to do, but I don’t believe ANY woman should be allowed to get an abortion after 6 weeks anyway (MY OPINION). So in my head, I’m not picturing a baby, I’m picturing a fetus. PLEASE don’t send me a bunch of hate crap for that!

  • Anonymous

    Religion sucks, governments suck. both are stuck in the human condition of fallen man. There is no perfect answer because evil is inviting and pays off. I do believe in a Creator and the basic tenants of Christianity. I only hope and pray in the best faith I can muster the world will realize that man’s attempt at best is just putting off the inevitable. My simple minded, which you may think, hope is in a God that will be there for those that believe when the hammer falls and you know and I know it will. God lets us succeed and fail individually, not as a group. Very successful people, organizations, countries aren’t that way because God specifically, as a blessing or curse, generated that result. If He has any control its in the complex chess game he uses to keep His plans for the world under control. How does He do that? He uses natural laws that man understands but He is somewhere in the spiritual realm that man considers foolishness and unprovable folly. He promises to return, like MacArthur, to the Philippians, and a big part of a very tenuous creation waits. Personally Finch, My family 100 years ago, migrated to America from the very active Poland, Germany, Czechoslovakia where nationalities were very fluid. I had family in concentration camps that didn’t make it. I spent 2 years in Germany in the Army and traveled Europe so I have some experience with the European culture. But it has changed considerably since I was there in 1958. I’m received a degree during the unrest in Vietnam and saw the beginnings of Americas falling away from a Godly trajectory. I love truth and individuality as opposed to the government oriented collective, which Europeans well know breeds bad stuff. The freedom in the USA ,as corrupted as it has become, doesn’t need the blind adherence to false Godless collective secular religion that the Progressives are espousing. My family knows the dance of the Marxist oriented. The lies, the manipulation, the pulling in of the lost and helpless, the actions of an elite group of one percenters who are claiming to love and help the poor and abused minority all in the actuality of vote getting.Their efforts fail ,but success before the goal of collective transformation, is of no concern. And so the dance goes on. Vile, immoral lies are accepted as part of the transition to secular nirvana. Those are some of my honest views. I’ll respect yours but wont guarantee I’ll necessarily agree. Adios amigo.

  • Anonymous

    You know, for an anti-theist, I thought you would agree about the whole “not-going-extinct” thing.

    At any rate, God’s plan is to have us live on Earth so we can grow and progress. So despite there being a heaven, it still matters.

  • Anonymous

    You should read the article that The Telegraph had written regarding the story. The bodies were burned or sent to a ‘waste to energy’ plant. They were used at these plants ( along with other medical waste products) to produce heat. Besides I was offering some ideas on how a body might be able to burn.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10717566/Aborted-babies-incinerated-to-heat-UK-hospitals.html

  • Mike Nelson

    Is it necessary for you to find a disagreement in order to satisfy your sense of zealotry, and prosecute a Crusade against anyone who fails to see your devout and very worldly offerings as the Final Word?

    Would you please explain how I disagreed with you on any aspect of your post? Can I not add to, or respond, without offending you?

    If not, then I advise that you stop reading now; there is nothing here for you if your cup overflows with divine wisdom, and my words will be seen only as a taunting of the devout nature in which you juxtapose yourself as devoutly genuine, yet loudly and as visibly as possible declare your readiness to stand guilty in martyrdom in the sight of men, and as such make yourself worthy of the praise of such fools as would affirm your visible exhortations – and yet, if that is your behavior, then your just reward will be received in recognition by and from men, and not bestowed by God.

    It is necessary to put one’s personal angst aside when engaged in discourse, most especially in regards to issues of Faith, but your aggressive tone and unwillingness to accept that things you say may be either agreed with or asserted as incomplete observations indicate only a misunderstanding of wisdom, or a lack of contextual understanding of the Biblical message. As evidence of this I remind you of your assertion that “by my screwed up logic” God Himself was guilty of sin resulting from the deaths of children in the Great Flood, an assertion you assumed for me, but to which I never alluded. But how can God be guilty of removal from Himself?

    You then went on for four posts in an hour, offering me only an acidic tone and your very visible judgement and contempt, then ending, in your hubris and heresy, with the Lord’s Blessing. Then, when I asked that you not use His name in vain (which is a Commandment!), you refused even to acknowledge such an affront, let alone recognize that it becomes a removal of fellowship – a curse against oneself – after such bile as you regurgitate so casually and thoughtlessly. This I can accept; even Peter denied the Lord three times, as was prophesied, however, the self-righteous desperation that prompts one to offer this vile statement as a challenge to fellowship becomes only a use of the Lord’s name in vain, when what you clearly intended to say was, “God have mercy on you,” which statement of condemnation I could have seen as your genuine concern for my mortal soul, though in our hearts, we both know you meant it as a challenge and barb.

    Finally, you ended in quoting Romans in a post that started with, “This is fun,” and ended with, “Gotcha.” How very appropriate, as you behave as Saul, the Christian prosecutor, before his Conversion, who by all accounts excelled amongst his peers in the Jewish Faith in rooting out the Christian Faithful and prosecuting them for their heresy against the law of Moses.

    If you view this description of our last discourse as erroneous, perhaps you will go back and re-read as if your own posts had been made toward you, rather than by your hand.

    Now you offer “logic” that says that I picked a fight with you because I posted on a public forum with a respectful and factual response to a question you asked. Perhaps you were offering only a rhetorical question? Since you so often post in platitude, and since that is the manner in which it is so easy (as proven by the progressive slogans you have at times strongly opposed) to gain such great ^ support, it is possible that I misunderstood your question as a genuine interest in discourse…

    Brother, I offer you only love as I tell you: you have strayed from the Path and become consumed with self-righteousness in your condemnation of others whose Faith you do not possess the wisdom to understand. Despite the many ^ you receive; despite your citation of how you do not seek my agreement (which is clearly evident); despite your proclamation that you do not care for my respect (the respect of a Christian believer!), and “will not tolerate heresies,” (demonstrable hubris, as you seem more able to quote Biblical verse out of context than anyone else on this site), you lack the wisdom of the Message itself. It is for this very reason – that a little bit of literacy goes a long way toward leading one astray – that the Church burned books for so many years… and if you insist that you were THERE when Christ was hung on the tree, so were you there as a cause for such burning of books, for the lack of wisdom in pursuit of a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing, and the Pharisees – as you now do – have argued for eons over the words, while ignoring the Message, and the Brotherhood it is intended to build.

    Since you are so fond of quoting Paul in his letters to those who have fallen away from the Faith in fractious squabbling, I offer you:

    1 Co 1:10 – I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.

    Stop quoting the Bible and READ IT. Not verse for verse, but for the Message, whole Books at a time! Wisdom and good judgement come only from experience, and experience comes only from bad judgement.

    Thus, I appeal to you: clearly, your cup overflows – but a vessel already full cannot receive the blessing of the Lord or the sacrifice He has already made on your behalf; the pursuit of “winning” conversations over Winning converts has consumed you to the point of heresy itself.

    I ask your forgiveness for such a harsh rebuke on a public forum, but as you have chosen the medium, so there you receive the response.

  • Caius

    I don’t know if you are religious or not, but In the end times, those who are Christians will be persecuted for their beliefs. Even those who truly follow the law.

  • Caius

    I do not know how many know this, but since the Holocaust seems to be the topic, let me ask how many of you are aware of The Rape of Nan King and what the Japanese did to the Chinese? What the Nazis did was indeed evil, but many of the generals admitted it in their journals. The Japanese on the other hand did not. In fact, they reveled in the slaying, raping, and burning of the innocent. How humanity has fallen so far, is unbelievable and devastating. Now we are using miscarriages and aborted babies to warm a facility. How is it that we see the human life as worthless. It staggers the mind.

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t why people get abortions their own business? Maybe you work in a hospital and have inside information but if you don’t then you probably don’t really know that the majority of women get abortions because they don’t want to be pregnant anymore. I doubt strongly that most women WANT to go through that. If they do then they have deeper problems than just wanting to get rid of a pregnancy. It’s hardly normal for a potential mom to go about killing someone inside them who has a heartbeat. Let alone wait for that someone to be far enough along to stat having a heartbeat in the first place. I’m anti-abortion but I wouldn’t make assumptions about why women who go to clinics go there.

  • Anonymous

    I know what you mean about picturing a fetus instead of a baby. I see the picture even smaller. An embryo who doesn’t even look like a person. You know, dark circles on the sides of their heads before those circles turn into eyes. Young and small enough to still look like tadpoles. Stuff like that.

  • Anonymous

    Over 50 million abortions say otherwise. There has been excellent statistical analysis done and fewer than 3% had anything to do with maternal health. This means that the women simply did not want a child for whatever invalid reason.

  • Anonymous

    You girls keep on deceiving yourselves. Why don’t you just admit you don’t know right from wrong or good from evil. Then again you probably do but lack the courage to face the truth.

  • Anonymous

    I really like what Stu said. The fact that we are offended by the disposal method takes away from the reality of the original evil act. It’s all part of the sensationalization of evil.

  • Anonymous

    That’s an awful lot of people who either have deeper problems in their lives or else figured too late that a baby was a little more expensive and more of a responsibility than they bargained for after the glow of making love ended. That is if the boyfriend or husband didn’t talk them into getting one. The reason they get it done is probably pretty valid to them. Would be kinda neat if just one woman turned around and took the protesters down a peg or two and asked if anyone wanted the kid. Seems like people who are really gung:-ho about saying people are wrong-headed enough to get abortions aren’t so into wanting to adopt the person’s baby.

  • Anonymous

    Oh shut up. Just shut up. Who are you to say anything?

  • Anonymous

    But in the end it’s because people both men and women are to selfish to own up to their responsibility and support the life they are in charge of. Compounding the problem is morals uninformed by logical ethics.

  • Anonymous

    Right back at ya sweetheart!

  • landofaahs

    I ask you again, WHAT STATEMENT DID I USE THAT WAS TAKING THE LORD’S NAME IN VAIN. Second: Anyone who would say that I see myself as self righteous has never read many of my posts. But being long winded does not make you right. I speak my beliefs with vigor and if that offends you then I am sorry that you live in a faith that is so wishy washy that you can’t believe that someone does not see the world from your cloudy gray view. If you are unsure, that is fine. There is no sin in that. But if you have problems with my opinions and beliefs because I see things in stark terms, that’s your problem. Original sin exists in all of us. That does not sound like a self righteous view in my opinion. Denying your own however is.

  • landofaahs

    PS. Gotcha is not taking the Lords name in vain. It’s a declaration that you are incorrect and your argument denies scripture if you think man has no original sin.

  • http://www.rosabrand.net Rosa Brand

    What is more remarkable to me is that people are shocked that depravity exists. We Americans really need to take off our Pollyanna glasses.

  • Anonymous

    This makes me want to throw up. Sickening, awful, morbid, unethical. The list could go on. Obviously Obama would lean in this direction since he created the Barack Hussein Obama Unaffordable Health Care Act/Fiasco with no regard for Americans and human life. I have said this before and I will say it as often as I am able. I would like to see Gosnell taken out of prison and put in the White House to be the primary care physican there. He can earn his board and keep taking care of the ones who just go right along with his beliefs. Kathleen Sebelius and Lois Lerner need to be paddy-wagoned over there to have him take care of any of their health care needs too. They all should get the kind of health care they deserve. No compassion for any of them. When Obama leaves the White House he should be forced to keep Gosnell as their primary health care provider. Period!

  • Anonymous

    Well, at least I don’t push my ethics on anyone. I’m pro-life but you’ve aleady made up your mind.

  • Anonymous

    Too selfish to own up to their responsibility of taking precautions if they are going to do the do? Yup. But too selfish to own up to responsibility sometimes probably means making sure they are doing the best thing for their baby. Like taking birth control or having the kid get raised in a Petri dish or even being on welfare. All of which you are opposed to. Personally, I know the difference between good and evil and right from wrong and never got pregnant. Never did what it took to potentially GET pregnant. Now I’m expecting you to say that’s selfish. Can’t win with you people. Anyone not doing what is in your narrow view of life is darned if they do AND darned if they don’t

  • ken.

    i am against abortion, it’s murder. using the heat created from a medical waste incinerator is a good idea, it can save a lot of money to be used for medical purposes. the fetuses and medical waste do not create energy, energy is used to incinerate it. putting fetuses in an incinerator with no respect for the life that they were is wrong. but using incinerators for dangerous medical waste is good, why waste the energy used.

  • Anonymous

    Oh yes you do.

  • Anonymous

    More presumptions again? I’m not against any of those things. However the concept of being “raised ” in a Petri dish is a bit of a misnomer. If you wish to talk about any of those things fine, but what we are talking about here is the destruction of the life of a person, which is by definition murder. “You people” ?; Now who’s the one that already made up their mind?

  • Anonymous

    I’m not the one casually using the words right and good and evil to talk about people “deceiving” themselves. Yeah, murder is murder but we aren’t talking about murder here, we’re talking about what life begins to be actually alive. If someone wants to terminate their pregnancy and use the body for what gifts it can offer before blobby turns into a person with a heartbeat and a placenta feeding tube thingy then that’s not murder.

  • Anonymous

    Aren’t you against paying taxes for people to get birth control and against single mothers on welfare? That’s the other side of abortion, having a kid the person doesn’t want to spend money on to get born. So it’s either abortion or getting birth control with tax money.

  • Anonymous

    Who ever said I’m using the words casually? The “blobby’ as you call it is the same person when its labeled a “blobby” as when it’s labeled a baby or when it’s named fawnday. If it is then a murder to destroy such a “thingy” then we are discussing good and evil at a fundamental level.

  • Anonymous

    If that’s the case why not talk about ALL the women who get hysterectomies and their monthlies. Getting rid of zygotes and unfertiilized eggs must be murder too. Seeing as how those are all potential people that are being thrown away. And if we are speaking of how if flesh being around is the only criteria for when life begins, well, there are all kinds of cells that turn into hematomas. Should we not get rid of those either? They are alive.

  • Anonymous

    Are you so illogical that you think that people who won’t support all people in all circumstances are complicit in the immoral actions of those people. I’m not against helping single mothers and have done so many times. Whether this is best accomplished with tax money is a different debate.

    When you say, ” So it’s either abortion or getting birth control with tax money”, you present a false dichotomy for it isn’t one or the other. Wouldn’t it be simpler to outlaw abortions and let the guilty parties suffer at least some of the consequences of their actions.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not murder to remove potential for starters. Unfertilized eggs are no more potential human beings than un-united sperm for second. Sperm and egg are part of a potential when viewed together; neither has life potential on it’s own. Sperm and egg when combined are no longer potential life but actual or certain life becoming in that instance a unique individual person with all the inherent rights and dignity of the rest of humankind and should be treated as such. We aren’t arguing about life here but personhood. All persons represent life and life in the highest order; all living cells are not persons.
    It is evident from these discussions that you skirt logic to defend an un-defensible position.

  • Mike Nelson

    One NEVER sees oneself as self-righteous; in one’s own eyes, one is always righteous. It is that lack of perspective that causes others to perceive such foolishness, thus giving voice to questions of the understanding or focus of one who would speak so vigorously without respect toward the Faith of others.

    That said, I do not like to be wrong; in fact, the only thing I hate more than being wrong is staying wrong. This lesson took many years to learn, and I must be periodically reminded of my human tendency toward superior judgement of others. As such, I thank you for sending me back to the source of wisdom to do my diligence. For these reasons, I apologize for the offense I have offered in speaking vigorously of my own beliefs, as it appears that I have only offended your sensibilities.

    I hope this final appeal is received in a spirit of fellowship; despite your continued sarcasm and unnecessarily inflammatory judgmental prose, I am at peace toward you. However, in your above posts you demonstrate that indeed you did not read what I have said at all, and it becomes clear that my words will never have meaning to you, even as I agree with your own stated sentiments, so perhaps I may refer you to the wisdom of Proverbs 9:7-9:

    7 Whoever corrects a mocker invites insult; whoever rebukes a wicked man incurs abuse. 8 Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you. 9 Instruct a wise man and he will be wiser still; teach a righteous man and you will add to his learning.

  • Anonymous

    It’s the either/or thing on Conservative talk shows. Outlawing abortions to let people suffer consequences isn’t practical, there have been women who have aborted their babies since time began. Or pretty nearly, anyway. They did it themselves with either having deliberate accidents so they could
    mis-carry or else with whatever they could find like alcohol or really grusome ways. They went to illegal back-alley abortionists which meant the women might catch diseases and stuff. it wasn’t just low-lifes that did those things. The only thing legalizing abortions did was to make sure women who wanted them could do it in a clean, sterile environment with actual medical professionals who knew what they were doing. If women want to really to get rid of their pregnancies they alway find ways. There were homes for unwed mothers but those were expensive and most run by church groups. Girls also had to be teens to go to them, none took women. Making abortion illegal like the Texas legislature is doing won’t solve a whole heck of a lot and will probably make things worse in the long run.

  • landofaahs

    I never took any statement of yours as an offense. I just disagreed with you but each of us does 2 things on our own on this Earth, our own believing and our own dying. There is nothing to forgive where you are concerned because I give no person the power to offend me. Take heart though when you seem to slip into old habits because while on the Earth, the old Adam still lives in us. Shalom Aleichem.

  • bumpkin

    The hospitals need to do something with the aborted babies. The babies are dead, and they cannot hold them indefinitely. The parent(s) obviously did not want anything to do with the babies. The option of incinerating (or cremation, if you will) human tissue is usually accepted r/t the blood and body fluids concern of aborted fetuses. While it sounds horrifying to burn these babies, what is a better alternative? What do you suggest, short of outlawing abortion? (-which actually should happen, but will not, so long as palms are greased well) Don’t expect a parent who aborted their baby to care enough that they buy a plot in a cemetery, or to have a funeral. I assume it is against the law to bury human remains in the backyard, for those who actually have a back yard. Incineration is likely the logical method of handling of the babies

  • Coffee Fiend

    Private property is a channel through which we can direct our aggressions and energies toward positive contributions to friends and fellows.

  • Tyler Carraway

    We also have a job to reason for ourselves and make good decisions.
    Also to support each other, and to beware of evil when it emerges.

  • Tom Burns

    Why it’s not immoral or crazy or anything of the sort:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/tom-burns/on-hospital-heating-and-m_b_5142667.html

  • Forrest Carlton Lackey

    Ok. That’s it. Somebody is worshiping Satan.
    Or Moloch. I don’t care.
    All this time, I thought that this was just something immoral, that became a thing out of necessity, and maybe for some people it is. But when your completely modern and non religious aspect of abortion keeps reminding me of ancient sacrifices to Moloch….Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
    I mean, ya say it’s just about being modern and helping out a woman in a bad spot. Maybe it is. Maybe that’s what you’re trying to do. But burning babies in the same way that screams to remind me of old barbaric practices? Holy cow. Somebody’s worshiping the devil or SOMETHING. Maybe not you, maybe not the woman getting the abortion or the person performing it. But somebody setting all this up is.

  • Forrest Carlton Lackey

    This is a cool lookin’ and soundin’ dude. I gotta watch a few more of his videos.