Two veterans told Glenn that more guns are needed to stop shootings like Ft. Hood – and you’ll probably agree

Way back in 1992, Donald J. Atwood, deputy secretary of defense under President George H.W. Bush, signed Department of Defense (DoD) Directive 5210.56 – effectively creating a “gun free zone” on military bases. The policy came under fire after  Army Maj. Nidal Hasan killed 13 people in a 2009 attack at Ft. Hood, and it received renewed attention today in the wake of another attack on the same base. Retired Staff Sgt. Alonzo Lunsford and Retired Lt. Gen. William “Jerry” Boykin joined Glenn to discuss the issue on Thursday’s nights show on TheBlaze.

Back in September, TheBlaze analyzed this little known DoD Directive:

The controversial directive states that “it is DoD Policy” to “limit and control the carrying of firearms by DoD military and civilian personnel.”

“The authorization to carry firearms shall be issued only to qualified personnel when there is a reasonable expectation that life or DoD assets will be jeopardized if firearms are not carried,” it says.

The policy, however, adds, “DoD personnel regularly engaged in law enforcement or security duties shall be armed.” 

Glenn told  viewers, “The Second Amendment is about your universal God-given right to defend yourself.  And the left always says it’s for an organized militia.  Well, there isn’t a more organized militia than the U.S. Army, the members of the military, and their right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

Lunsford echoed those statements, expressing his own feeling of helplessness during the 2009 attack. “When I first heard the news yesterday, I was angry.  I was hurt, and I felt defenseless because I felt that I was in a position again were I could not protect those that needed to be protected,” he said.

“How many times are we going to exercise the fact that we are expendable and just let these things happen and in the aftermath say well, I’m sorry for your loss?  That doesn’t cut it because people die.  Give us a right to defend ourselves because that’s what we’re trained to do,” he said.

Lunsford told Glenn that if he had been allowed to carry a firearm he would have been able to stop Nisan. “I know had I had a gun that day, Major Hasan would not be in Fort Leavenworth right now.”

Boykin agreed, stressing that the government should trust soldiers to be responsible with weapons at a base just as they are in combat situations. Instead of focusing on guns, Boykin encouraged citizens and politicians to address veterans issues that are being ignored.

“There is no excuse for us not being able to protect our troops in America and recognize that they are responsible people who have been allowed a lot of authority as well as responsibility in combat, yet they don’t have the authority to protect themselves but more importantly to protect their families right here in America,” Boykin told Glenn.

“I think that it’s very important for Americans to wake up and stop blaming guns and start understanding that we have a real threat, and not only that, we have veterans issues that are not being addressed.  At the time that we’re cutting budgets, we should be looking at ways to improve the situation for our veterans as well as our active-duty military,” he said.

Watch the segment below:

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Following his interview with Glenn Beck, Staff Sgt. Lunsford ​ spoke with TheBlaze’s Senior Washington Correspondent‎ Sara Carter about the  horror of being under attack without the ability to defend yourself. You can watch a highlight of that interview here.

Staff Sgt. Lunsford has been an outspoken  critic of the Obama administrations treatment of Ft. Hood survivors,  speaking to ‘For The Record’ and TheBlaze about the lack of care and attention back in February in ‘For The Record: Broken Heart’.

  • Bonnie Somer

    could not agree more. God not govt gives us the right to defend ourselves and families geez but not on a military base what lunatic thought up that one oh prob the same one who is not ending the tomahawk hellcat missle prog but long before that one would think on a military base come on. Anti gun nuts like bloomberg obama holder and the like have huge men w/huge weapons to protect them we have GOD however and the right to self defense. NO MATTER WHAT U DO ONE PERSON WILL ALWAYS MANAGE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS NO MATTER WHAT CRIMINALS GET ILLEGAL WEAPONS ALL THE TIME WHAT R THEY DOING ABOUT THAT? NOTHING INSTEAD THEY R DOING HITLER LIKE THINGS IN CONNECTICUT, MARYLAND CA AND NY CONFISCATION NOTICES GONE OUT AND REGISTRATION OF WEAPONS IS BEING DONE THE ONES NOT COMPLYING ARE THE PATRIOTS OF THIS NATION HITLER DID THIS AND THE HOLOCAUST BEGAN HE WENT DOOR TO DOOR AND TOOK THE WEAPONS. THE LEFT MARXISTS WANT THIS SO AMERICANS ARE NOT MORE THAN SLAVES AND SHEEP WAKE UP PEOPLE WAKE UP

  • Anonymous

    Base commanders used to have authority to allow non-security military personnel to be armed. But regulations introduced in 1993 disallowed this. After the 2009 Fort Hood indecent, some Congressmen introduced a bill to revisit the arming issue, but the bill has had no action by Congress.

    • Connor

      That and the refusal of both sides of the aisle to talk about the lack of a mental health system.

  • Truth Crusader


    “Army investigators have said they suspect murder-suicide in the Tuesday deaths of 43-year-old Rouhad Ahamd Ezzeddine and his two daughters, 9-year-old Leila Rouhad Ezzeddine and 4-year-old Zeinab Rouhad Ezzeddine.”

  • Tyler Casey

    GLENN: You have one stone–but there are 2 birds that need to DIE

    You got one of the birds–pressure PRESSURE on our reps in DC

    The “other” bird is the culture—-the only way to save the American culture is to destroy what it has become now and start a new one. Don’t look to the past for your guide–your hand is already on the plow–but rather, Confront this society head on in every moral and ethical issue imaginable. A light {that faces evil} will expose it to all who can see, but a fire will burn that same evil into ashes…

    The Blaze…………do you consume or merely ‘illuminate’?

  • Hoschi0913

    the most disturbing thing on all of this to me is…
    the feds cant protect the people on a federal (military) installation, yet at the same time they want (if we let them) disarm the law abiding citizenry

  • Connor

    Liberals are not going to let that happen. They need the cannon fodder for more gun control. why help people with mentally unstable and not arm the troops on base when the Democrats can use more people’s deaths to take our rights away.

  • Deckard426

    Do everybody a favor. Disarm the Secret Service.

  • Wisdom Seeker

    Patriots – We all need to be a relentless pain in our Representatives backsides on this issue. DOD Directive 5210.56 must not stand. Our troops need us.
    Semper Fi

  • Anonymous

    Oh yeah, arm everyone on our military bases, it will be like the wild west all over again. That would not be a solution. Just like the poor will always be with us, so it is true that we will always have the unstable with us as well. Maybe if this shooter didn’t so readily surrender himself to satan, instead of seeking out Jesus Christ and surrendering to Him we wouldn’t be discussing this horrible and heartbreaking tragedy.

  • Jim

    What keeps the “crazy” people from opening fire? Knowing that armed sane people are around! If I were the judge, the fact that they choose “gun-free” zones negates any insanity defense. Not just on military bases. Our law enforcement agents…cops…need to be trained that people CAN be armed. Stop bullying people who carry! I don’t care if it’s open or concealed. There has been no Constitutional Amendment passed that changes the 2nd!…yet.

  • Anonymous

    No guns allowed….. ON A MILITARY BASE!?

    You think this would just be a joke.

  • CrapsDealer

    Of all the Military bases, this had to happen at Ft. Hood again. There’s something wrong here. Lightening rarely strikes twice in the same place.

  • chip griffin

    can’t you see it? take your guns and give the miliary their guns to take home. does anyone think. who pays to keep running a proven killing government, 9-11 murders is charge…

  • Jose Rodriguez

    The fanatical democrat war against the 2nd Amendment and the Bill of Rights has lead to record firearms sales in these united states.

  • Krimsen King

    you do remember the bit in the Constitution about a ‘WELL-REGULATED MILITIA’, right? There’s nothing in the second amendment that says anybody can just have any weapon they want whenever they want it. Sometimes it’s NOT about ‘absolute government control’. Sometimes it’s just about reason and practical ‘regulation’. Guns don’t kill people, but just like cars, they can be used to do so quite easily. Therefore, reasonable gun legislation and restrictions ONLY MAKE COMMON SENSE.

    • Anonymous

      Yes, I do remember that. And the military IS a “Well-Regulated Militia.” They are trained in combat and self-defense. What sense does it make to disarm them?

      • Krimsen King

        no, the military is the US Military. Well regulated militias are civilian organizations purposed with homeland defense. Civilian self defense, the purpose of the second amendment, doesn’t require the current absence of reasonable regulation on weapons sales and manufacture. It also don’t say jack in the Constitution about massive political donations from weapons manufacturer lobbyists, now superpacs. 😉

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