Do the ends ever justify the means?

During Tuesday’s morning meeting, Glenn expressed a lot of concern over the comments he was seeing on social media calling for an armed response in the conflict between Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and the federal government. The concern wasn’t over the comments necessarily, but the overwhelming sense that good people who believe in freedom and small government will be caught between violent, anti-government fringe groups who offer chaos and progressive, big government people who will offer control under the guise of safety. And that’s why in the meeting Glenn decided “it is more important then you can understand that we are messengers of peace at all times, that we are very clear at all times, that I think the show today needs to focus on that message of peace that we have declared over and over and over and over.”

And that message of peace and it’s history as part of every project and event that Glenn has worked for more than five years was the focus of Tuesday’s monologue.

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It’s an interesting time to be alive, but there is a question that I want you to answer right now if you haven’t answered it already before.  And it is this, and I want you to really think about this because we have always thought of the ends justify the means.  We always say no.

But it’s always been because we’re looking at the Progressives.  We’re looking at the Bill Ayers.  We’re looking at the Barack Obamas.  I want you to look at your circumstance.  Is there any circumstance where you are willing to violate your principles in order to achieve a desired result?  Would you ever steal, cheat, lie, murder?  This is the question that Dietrich Bonhoeffer dealt with his whole life, frustrated and just so torn apart in the end.

If you thought, really thought it would lead to an overall better ending, remember, Moses did this, he killed the Egyptian because it will lead to a better ending.  But it didn’t.  If you think that it will lead to a better ending, would you do any of these things?  We’re called to be honest, faithful, kind, peaceful, still have a spine, still stand up, and it is hard to follow those guidelines during times of prosperity.

I mean, people are having a hard time doing it now.  But what happens when your options are stripped from you, and your back is pushed up against the wall?  I have told you in the past that there would come a time when you will have to choose.  I’ve been saying it for a while.

Glenn (2011):  It’s up to you.  Will you link arms?  Will you reach across the aisles?  Will you defend the defenseless?  Will you stand up against the lies?  Will you do it with peace and love?  Read Gandhi.  Read Jesus.  Read Martin Luther King.  Will you stand up? 

That was two days after the event in Washington, D.C.  We chose peace.  I’ve chosen peace, and we’ve been in this really easy…I know it hasn’t seemed easy, but we’ve been in the easy part.  We have had the patriot movement, if you will, kind of be this one big block where we all kind of agree with things.  But I knew there would come a time when that would start to break apart because we’re not all alike.  There are those that do want revolution.

That’s been my message from the start of be peaceful, and it began with the 40-day and 40-night challenge while we were at FOX.  We committed, and I asked you to commit yourself to the pledge of nonviolence of Martin Luther King, and people didn’t understand why I was doing this.  I was laying a foundation, and I was lucky enough to be able to do it with Alveda King.

I remember seeing a picture of Martin Luther King with his son, and he was taking out a burnt cross from his front yard the next morning.  And his son was sitting right behind him, this big, and I thought to myself wow, that takes a great man.  And I don’t know if I’m a good enough man to be able to make it, but I will if I plant the roots deep in honor and courage and love.  And this is what we’ve done for the last four summers.

Think of this, I want to show you these, and listen to the words I said in the last four summers, first at the mall in Washington, then in Jerusalem, then at Dallas Cowboys Stadium, then in Salt Lake City with the Man in the Moon.  Listen to the words.

Glenn (Restoring Love, 2012):  We must be better than what we’ve allowed ourselves to become.  We must get the poison of hatred out of us.  No matter what anyone may say or do, no matter what anyone smears or lies or throws our way or to any Americans way, we must look to God and look to love.

We win because while their conviction is rooted in hate, our conviction is rooted in love.  And love always wins in the end. 

With malice toward none and charity toward all, let us tonight restore love, for love will hold us together.  Love will make us a shelter from the storm.  I will be my brother’s keeper, and the world will once again know that they are not alone because again, the Americans have stood up and arrived again with honor, courage, and love.

That was the Restoring series.  The theme of that was always love and peace.  And then we went into a new phase, and we started trying to make that message more accessible to people.  And that’s why I did Man in the Moon.  But I want to show you just this last clip.  This was the point, the message of the moon.  Listen.

Man in the Moon (2013): Tonight, you will go home and kiss your little beasts, and they shall kiss you.  If I have done my job, your light shall burn just a little brighter, and when you awake, you will again choose and begin to write the next pages of this amazing story yourself.  And so will all those around you.  Help each other.  Be good to each other.  Love one another.

I will tell you that I didn’t realize when I was writing that that it was as autobiographical as it turned out to be.  It wasn’t until I had the moon makeup on, and I read those lines, “if I have done my job, your light will burn a little brighter.”  I wrote to my wife this morning, and I asked her to pray for me because I fear I haven’t done my job.

Somehow there are those in this audience and millions in America that did not hear the message of MLK, not from me but even MLK himself.  Quote something from Gandhi, can you?  Tell me something Bonhoeffer said.  We know them, but they’re like cartoon characters to us.  We don’t know really what they said.  Their message today is as clear and as new as anything I could tell you myself, and it is the message of our day and the message of our coming days, months, and years.

And it is a message that I ask you to share with everything that you have, everything that you are.  Live it, learn it, live it, and share it because the time to make a choice is now here.  The hatred is spreading.  In Nevada, one of the guys, he was a former sheriff, he was on television, and he was actually talking about how they were going to put women in front of the protests so in case somebody shot anybody, it would be the image of a dying woman on television, and that would help their cause.  Watch.

Ex-Sheriff supporting Cliven Bundy: We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front.  If they’re going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers.

I don’t think appalling even begins to describe that.  Do the ends justify the means?  If there is violence, well, as long as it’s violence with them shooting women and kids, then it will be good for the cause.  They’re not saying they want to get them to shoot them, but if they’re going to shoot, let them shoot women and children.  It is evil.  It is the same kind of thinking that the Progressives have.  This is not George Washington.  That is George Bernard Shaw.

Three were shot dead in Kansas right before, Passover is tonight, last night.  I mean, just as the suspect yelled Heil Hitler, shots rang out.  You know that we’ve had yet another killing, another tragic shooting at Fort Hood.  And it’s also today the anniversary of the Boston Marathon bombing today.  All of those people, the Heil Hitler guy, the Boston bomber, they all were terrorists.  They thought they would win.

Timothy McVeigh said this, that he hoped that he would prove some point, and it would be a tipping point.  And all of a sudden the people would rise up.  It doesn’t work that way.  It never will, and if it does, remember what happened to Hungary.  Remember what happens every single time.  Remember what happened with Egypt.  It is the fallen and the injured in those attacks who are the true victors, not the people who started it.

Their memories and stories of overcoming whatever it is are our rallying point.  They inspire people, not the people who set it up.  I mean gosh, you talk about a false flag, my gosh, who in their right mind says put women and children up front?  Who says that?  Bill Ayers says things like that, Bill Ayers.  Bill Ayers bombed buildings, attacked police, spit on soldiers.  Is that who we are?

It is those who put themselves in harm’s way peacefully.  Remember, “Don’t break the ranks,” said Martin Luther King.  Let them beat you on camera.  Do not swing back, don’t, don’t.  Don’t taunt them.  Don’t be Occupy Wall Street.  Those will be the true victors, not the terrorists like Bill Ayers or the Boston bombers.

My gosh, I think of that picture of Martin Luther King with his son, do you really think that you have it worse than Martin Luther King and blacks in the 1950s did?  Do you really think so?  Have you done everything in your church?  I’m sorry, I don’t mean to lecture you because you’re here, and you know this.  We are not the violent revolutionaries in the Middle East, Ukraine, Greece, Occupy Wall Street, those people fueled by hate, anger, and vengeance – give it to me!

It is so easy to be consumed by hate.  I have seen it happen with my friends.  I have.  Please, get the poison out of you, please, please, please.  You will regret this.  Don’t let the sun go down on your anger.  Let me tell you something, there is somebody who I had a real problem with, and it’s not worth telling, but I had a real problem with this individual.  And my wife and I got down on our knees every day.  It took us four years, four years, to forgive this person.  And there’s constant injury going on on top of it.

We got to the point to where we weep for them because we see what pain they must be in to cause this pain.  It is tough, but we’re required to do it because vengeance is a losing battle.  Vengeance is His and His alone.  I was in that meeting this morning, and I brought this up.  And Pat, my partner on air, said Glenn, why are you bringing this up?  Because, you know, the Nevada thing is passing.  I said, you know, maybe it is, maybe it isn’t, I don’t know, but what I do find so alarming is that there are so many people on the left and the right, people who claim now to be fans of mine, posting on my Facebook page.

Please, defriend me.  Please defriend me.  I want you to unfriend me, defriend me, whatever the hell it’s called, click that button.  I don’t want you to be my friend.  If you believe vengeance is yours, I don’t want you.  It doesn’t belong to you.  One guy wrote, “Well I guess I am no longer a fan of yours because it’s time we the people make a stand and fight.”  No, it’s not.  No, it’s not.  Who are you, we the people?  How dare you speak for we the people.  I’m one of the people.  I don’t agree with you.

You were never a fan of mine.  If you were a fan of mine, you wouldn’t have missed the message of Restoring Honor, Restoring Love, and Restoring Courage or the Man in the Moon or how many shows have I done?  The message of love and peace is at the core of everything that I am, everything that I am as a human being, so no, you have not been misled.  I have not defrauded you.  You deceived yourself.

You’ve been itching for this fight.  I don’t know if I’m in the minority or if they’re in the minority.  I think that this is a really, really, really, really, really tiny minority on Facebook, but I will tell you this, even one person calling for violence is too many, and you must separate yourself.  You must be very clear, if that’s who you are, I am not with you, and you must work to defuse that as much as I do.  You must be vigilant on calling it out, the ends do not justify the means.

Angry people, violent people claiming to be fans of mine, calling for armed insurrection, are not fans of mine.  Unfriend me.  I’m almost up to 3 million friends on Facebook.  I don’t care if I have ten friends on Facebook.  I’m a recovering alcoholic, do you know how many friends I lost when I sobered up?  All of them, all of them.  I’m fine.

We can agree that the government is corrupt.  We can agree that they are usurping the Constitution.  We can agree they’re bloated, out of control, they are spending our children, children’s, children’s, children’s money.  We can agree that they’ve pushed us to the brink.  They’ve poked, they’ve prodded, they’ve taxed, they’ve regulated, they’ve lectured, they’ve mocked us.  They have done everything, everything, except set us on fire.

I get that.  I get it.  But if you are for provoking violence against the Bureau of Land Management, the post office, the dogcatcher, I don’t care, we don’t have anything in common.  I know you’re frustrated, I know, but your frustrations cannot be allowed to boil over into anger, hate, and rage.  That’s what makes us human.  The ends never justify the means, especially when they’re violent means.  Love and peace are the lasting answer.  They always have been the answer.  They always will be the answer.

  • bob

    right on Glenn

  • Matt VanArtsdalen

    Glenn Beck Your becoming a liberal again.

  • Anonymous

    The left wants violence. The progressives want guns drawn. The liberals will use any shots fired as a means to repeal the 2nd Amendment. For the next two years they will be back. Do we have the courage to stand firm? Document. Document everything. Every contact. Every letter. Keep the cameras rolling. Keep the footage rolling out. They cannot withstand the Truth. When the people see the government for what it is, change will come. There won’t be “witchhunts”, there won’t be “phony scandals”, there won’t be “partisan agendas”, even the 5th Amendment will not provide refuge from the Truth.

    If there is anything remaining of America, The Beautiful, don’t turn to the ugliness of violence.

  • Mike Reagan

    And when Nephi killed Laban? Irony aside, absolutism is never good.

  • Loren Schofield

    I have s serious question. Is Glenn now a pacifist? Is there ever a time to stand up and fight? Should we get rid of our guns? Why do we need guns, if peace and love are all you need?

    I’m asking this honestly, had Glenn changed from the man who wrote the pro 2nd Amendment book Control? Please reply if you know where he stands.

  • Cory Austin

    There is a time for violence, but I don’t think this is the time. If we feel that our government is corrupt and oppressing us and we’re ready to take up arms, what’s to stop people who believe in what the government is doing is right (I don’t agree with them) from taking up arms to stop us? It would be a civil war and I don’t think anyone is ready to shed the blood of their brothers and sisters.

  • Loren Schofield

    Issa story is bogus, good call

  • http://www.imbriaarts.com Brittany Dodson

    If your calling for blood to be shed before all other options are played out then you are by no means a person of peace. For its the man who can stand against the tide of tyranny with an open hand that stands a much greater man then the ones that ball their fists in act of defiance. The Revolution was started when the fore fathers had no way of speaking up against the government in any means many divided their vary families and neighbors on the task of turning the tide towards freedom. And only after many sleepless nights they then stepped up to take arms. Please those of you calling for revolution understand how much you will lose if you have your way. How much have you yet to lose by this governments actions. Things are bleak but blood upon bleak is merely destruction. Glenn is right to ask you stand with peace and stand with god.

  • Anonymous

    Needs to be vetted.

  • Anonymous

    When does the shooting stop? Is there a plan? Is there coordination? Is there communication? How far are you willing to go? Ever apply for a job? Ever have to answer: “Have you ever advocated the violent overthrow of the United States Government?” I think the government will withstand Obama, even Hillary. I have enough confidence that this massive lie of an administration will unravel.

  • Anonymous

    Really unhappy? Really being wronged? Impeachment is the process indicated in the Constitution. The process starts in the House of Representatives. A *simple majority* is required to present the charges. Then there must be a trial in front of the Senate presided by the Chief Justice. People will be subpoenaed and people will be required to testify and/or present documents. Silence is permitted (5th) but absence of necessary documents can be criminal. Not everyone will agree to “fall on the sword”.

    It all starts with a simple majority of the House.

  • landofaahs

    Just a hint Glenn “At time for peace and a time for war”. I like peace too but if someone breaks into my home, I only take it he means me or my family harm and he will be dispatched to the Ultimate Judge. We are called to be the gentle lambs but that is mainly meant for when we are being persecuted for the sake of the gospel. Sadly, most people do the opposite.

  • Anonymous

    Jesus speaks for all people, whether or not they know the gospel, even if they know nothing but violence. In all cases the calling is the same: walk in the footsteps of Christ, follow Him and trust Him. A witness for Christ does not describe other people, people should be able to look at themselves (everyone) and see Jesus, somewhere. The trigger cannot be un-pulled.

  • landofaahs

    Yet Jesus called the Roman centurian, who was in charge of a hundred men and skilled in the art of war and killing, faithful and even more than most in Israel.

  • Loren Schofield

    Yes I have, and don’t think I’m advocating violence, I’m not. I hope and pray it doesnt happen. I’ve seen civil wars, I’ve seen the blind hatred, and it is an ugly thing. But once again a protest where the people are armed tends to make a more powerful statement. I don’t think anyone who was at the Bundy ranch wanted violence. It was their families who were there. That should tell you something about how important freedom is to them. Glenn says he will put has fortune and his sacred honor down, these people out there put their lives, their freedom and their families on the line. Tell me, who has more principles? Someone who talks, or someone who lays, literally everything, they have down?

  • Sabine Gumm

    Glenn, do the ends ever justify the means? NO, NEVER!!!

    Gandhi said: “You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty.” You have not
    failed us, your audience.

    Many people are so angry as we see our country slipping away. Do not forget, we were all screaming at our TV sets feeling helpless before you made us take notice that we were not alone. With today’s truly great technology, we are so isolated from one another; we were blind to that fact.

    Now we are making small changes all over this country, good changes to reintroduce honor, common sense and faith. We are being bombarded by the progressives on a daily bases and in all aspects of our lives. Elections of good people that could make a difference are weeks and months away. Frustrations are building and when pushed, some will push back, sadly by inciting violence. It is much harder and takes more effort to take the path of non-violence and love; and it takes practice.

    When we “fight an enemy”, our enemy expects to meet violence. This is especially true for progressives, as they would use violence to gain the results they seek. When confronted by love and non-violence, however, they become paralyzed and don’t know what to do. I believe that some people, even in this audience have not seen this actually work, as we have never been in this situation in our lifetime.

    So, do the ends ever justify the means? That depends on who you are. The progressive will tell you YES, because we have to reach our goals. For the rest of us the answer should be a resounding NO!!! Glenn, your message has been loud
    and clear. Our hearts have heard your message and we are practicing patience, as hard as it is at times. [Because] First they ignore you, then laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. (Gandhi) I will be with you in the winner circle.

  • landofaahs

    Yet Jesus said I came not to bring peace but a sword… to sow discord between a mother and her daughter. Matthew 10:34-39.

  • Loren Schofield

    A trigger cannot be unpulled. But freedom once abandoned is so much harder to get back.

  • Loren Schofield

    Frustrations are building and when pushed, some will push back, sadly by inciting violence.

    Is it inciting violence to defend yourself. If someone comes into your home and you kill him, are you wrong? Were you the one inciting violence?

  • Anonymous

    Yes He did. There will be division. That’s why this “equality” kick some seem to be championing will never happen.

  • Anonymous

    That’s why one must be very careful with violence and not loose their way. It is very easy to get lost.

  • Loren Schofield

    Its also easy to give up your rights. In fact it’s easier to do that than to stand hoping no one gets hurt.

  • Anonymous

    We abandoned freedom in the Garden. On Earth it is impossible to get it back. Final Judgement determines if one regains it. What we fight for is a pale imitation though we must try. The Lord knows what’s in the soul and whether the soul is being unduly tested. Choose battles carefully.

  • Anonymous

    Make a statement, but be certain of what one protests and how because firing a weapon is not laying everything down. To lay everything down one must die. Otherwise, one *risks* laying everything down all while being a killer. The difference between a martyr and a terrorist? A martyr does not desire death.

  • Anonymous

    Giving up rights: all it took was a bite, not following one rule, pride.

    Depends where one stands. One can walk into or be in the crossfire unarmed.

  • Loren Schofield

    If you don’t have anything anything your willing to die for, what are you. I’ll go one further, if you don’t have something your willing to kill for you are asad man. I know that is going to be controversial but listen, would you for for your kids, yes. Would you kill to protect them? Yes wood you die for your country? Yes. Would you kill for it? Yes. Would you die for those freedoms? Yes. Would you kill for them? That is what you have to ask yourself.

  • Anonymous

    Is there a possibility of the person leaving? Is the person leaving? Is the person drunk and lost and one accidentally left their front door unlocked? If I had the advantage the soul at the end of the rifle would be given an opportunity to withdraw without violence.

  • Loren Schofield

    Every studied John Locke? Philosopher whip talked about, among other things natural Law. I’ve been reading about it lately. Would like your thoughts

  • Loren Schofield

    Someone breaks into my house, he’s not leaving in one piece. You meet him upstairs he turns to flee. Do you shoot? What if he had a friend or two downstairs. What if he is getting a weapon? How many others are in the house? In that moment of him running down the stairs you have to make that call. I would not feel a shred of remorse shooting him, then while my wife calls 911, I clear the house. He was wrong, he broke in, he was the one with evil intent, not me. I wanted a good nights sleep. He would not be dead if he hadn’t broke in. The responsibility is on him, all guilt lies with him.

  • Anonymous

    Not really. I’m aware of him and some of his thoughts. Natural Law is a decent beginning but it is neither the summit nor source of the Law. The Natural Law is limited by our flawed senses, flawed science and flawed souls. We can fool, be fooled and mistaken. The Natural Law must include the soul thus include the Supernatural. St. Thomas Aquinas, for me, would be a better choice.

  • Loren Schofield

    I am a newb to philosophy, but the Natural Law is not limited by us. It is the right or wrong, That all can see whether they are Christian, or worship the desert tortoise. They know not only what not to do, but what they as men are afforded. What are their rights. What are every mans basic rights.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t make that assumption! There is plenty that one can die for such as your examples. However, (using a cliched example) Nazis died and killed for the same reasons as did the Russians and Allied forces. But there was a difference: the driving cause for the Nazis was not just.

    I can’t say that we’re just in this situation. Not yet. Maybe not ever. What I think we don’t want is a bunch of dead and wounded people surrounded by other people saying “Why?”, “Could this have been avoided?”, “Did it have to happen this way?”

  • draymiller

    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf

  • Loren Schofield

    I agree we aren’t there, and as i stated, hope we never do, but I’m not giving up my guns either. What are your and for that matter Glenns opinion on The Market Of Athens TN?

  • Anonymous

    Then apply that reasoning to the situation with the ranchers. If the government trespasses at night with no warning or court order then fire away? Defend, certainly, I just wouldn’t be so quick to eliminate a life — a life that I will have to account for. In such situations time is in very short supply and God knows the situation, the intruder’s intentions and my intentions.

  • Anonymous

    Me too. Natural Law is limited by our perception of nature and what we perceive as rights. It is Law by collective. View an optical illusion, almost everyone agrees that it looks a certain way. Is that law? No, we were fooled by out senses and assumptions. That’s how magicians seem to defy “the laws of nature”. Also, some people think they have “rights”, based on proof from somebody that seems logical at the time yet isn’t a right at all. Does someone have a right to do evil? People do bad things to each other as if it were their nature…

  • Anonymous

    No opinions I’ve only been through Tennessee a few times either on I75 or I40 into Nashville. Haven’t been by the Athens area since around 1979.

  • Anonymous

    I guess I better scoot. It’s getting late for me and so much to do for tomorrow. It’s been fun. Thanks for the conversation and challenge.

  • Barnara Apon

    I wish I could answer the question without hesitation.. Truthly I do not know nor does anyone know where our limits are..I’ve been pushed before and I responded in a positive way and it ended well…that was my life on the line..but would you be willing or able to watch someone you love be miss treated, beaten, shot,or a number of horrible things that man can do…before you have no other option but to fight…I pray that none of us have to answer these questions… Knowing that soon we may very well be facing the unbelievable… And who of us truly know..who we are and what we are capable of till we are face to with life or death…of our children, mothers, fathers, wives, husbands, or just another human being…. To be truthful..I don’t know…

  • Barnara Apon

    I don’t believe that the question is about the violent overthrow of the United States Government… The question is will you fight to get your Government back…fight means more then shooting and blowing up things..there are steps to be taken before bloodshed is the answer..

  • OneWithChrist MyFirstLove

    Faith in Christ and our trust in God. Makes all the difference when situations come in life. God does not cause these things, the sin and evil living with us steals and destroys. God allows us to choose how we are to act, whether other’s see is at weakness or strength. Storms just makes us stronger, by the mercy and love of God. We have hope within, that allows us to stand on the side of peace and love.. It matter’s not to me what man thinks of my choices, it matter’s to me what God see within my heart and very being. That is my choice and my right, I am not spineless, God fights for me, So I stand aside and let Him do His job,and I do mine,. Standing for love, peace, and prayer. That is my weapon against evil.

  • ken.

    when the government fears the people we have liberty, when the people fear the government we have tyranny. right now the government doesn’t fear the people, it’s time we change that! armed protest is not violence, it’s a show of force and unity. when government regulatory agencies become militarized police forces, we the people are in extreme danger. the government knows that our military will not turn on us, their families and themselves. this is why they are militarizing all agencies. we must prove to them that we will not lay down and will fight to the end. defense is not violence, violence is the cause of defense.

  • Bonnie Somer

    it already is and we the people r coming to DC in may operation american spring is on the way

  • JudyTaya

    Open letter to Glenn Beck:

    Glenn, you are going about this all wrong. Instead of concentrating on that small fringe percentage of violence seekers, you should be concentrating on main-stream Patriots who are just pissed off. You can be an angry person without thinking there must be violence. Instead – you may not realize it but you are insulting your viewers. You are denying the right for us to express our emotions. Yes, we are angry but an extremely small percentage of your viewers want a revolution. Stop shining a spotlight on those people and start working with us, angry Patriots who feel helpless. I hate seeing so many of your fans jumping ship because even though you’ve expressed that you are talking about a small percentage, it’s not relating well to the rest of us. Figure out how to do that. Anger is not hate…it’s anger and it’s a normal emotion. Even Jesus had anger – he dumped tables over in the temple, he chastised the Pharisees, he even called a few some names. Don’t deny us that right. Let’s have an honest discussion. We feel that you are abandoning us, confusing us and preaching to us. Lets communicate on a level that we can all understand – like it used to be Glenn. We have loved you for so long Glenn – remember who your family is and stop jumping to conclusions about the 85 percenters.

    Judy Taya

  • ken.

    glenn, standing up in defense is not vengeance or violence, it is the response to violence and/or crimes being committed against us. we have and fight for the right to own and bear arms. we carry guns to defend ourselves from criminals who want to do us harm and most of all to protect us from tyrannical government. an armed protest against a criminal government wishing to do us harm is the same thing. since when is exercising our 2nd amendment right any different then exercising any other right? the government came in with the intent of intimidation and threat of violence, we the people stopped that with nonviolent show of force protest. do you want peace through superior firepower or violent slavery from standing down and allowing it to happen?

  • Loren Schofield

    I good letter, I wish he would use the same company PsyID to do analysis on his viewers. 10-15% fringe sounds about right. You can’t control everyone who supports you and he should know that. msnbc has been taking about his followers for years, more he does the same? Is disingenuous.

  • Loren Schofield

    Did I just hear Glenn right? He has been preaching to unite against tyranny wherever it is. Ally with people no matter their political beliefs if they are being mistreated. Glenn stood with GLAAD against Russian persecution. Now he is saying the exact opposite when it means standing with this rancher. What is going on. I don’t get him. What is going on?

    I too know a lot of Special Forces soldiers and never heard anyone say they are preparing for the “Bubba Moment.”

  • Loren Schofield

    If Glenn is more a pacifist. Fine. I don’t have problem If he does, I just don’t get what is going on with him. What is his stance? On the 2nd Amendment?

  • Loren Schofield

    I have a comment that says waiting in approval from Glenn Beck. It’s been there since last night. Is that a glitch or will it eventually go through.

  • Shawn Cameron

    I was a huge fan of Beck’s but a while back that changed. It seemed to me his anti government stance had gone too far. I agree wholeheartedly the D.C. is corrupt. But it seemed at times he would also demonize law enforcement and social services (and yes there are bad cops and bad social workers) but the majority just try to do their job and keep us (and children) safe. Reading this and Beck’s other coverage of this issue makes me think I have seriously misjudged him.

  • Shawn Cameron

    Then as I remember reading the comments on those stories and trying to inform people of things they simply might not know about the situation. I was met with the same hatred and lunacy I have seen the left throw out when I have tried to engage them in debate. I have also seen people (here and on Glenn’s FB page) call for violence toward police, judges, social workers etc.I remember reading comments about hanging judges and people saying if social services ever darkened their door they’d blow their head off before they rang the bell, and I wonder….

  • Shawn Cameron

    Where were these words then? The same people here and on your FB page that are calling for violence now, were doing so then as well.

  • Shawn Cameron

    The only difference is the comments back then began by praising you, and now they’re calling you names.

    We have to stand against the extremists, right or left it doesn’t matter. Because if either ever got their way the end result would be the same. I applaud you for doing so, while others in your profession have not. Those people calling for violence do so not out of any love for this country, but a hatred of those who disagree with them. They are no better than the far left, as a matter of fact they’re exactly the same. I have a new found respect for Glenn Beck after calling those people out, I only wish he’d done it sooner.

  • Shawn Cameron

    And if anyone is wondering why I split this up into several posts. I tried several times to post it in one, but for some reason the censors had a problem with that.

  • Guest

    How much better would the blacks in the south have been had they been allowed to have weapons in order to defend themselves.

    Am I man of peace? No. I am someone who has seen war, up close and personal. Who has seen the blood and gore after the battle. Who knows what it means when violence is necessary. Who has lost friends, seen them come home missing limbs, or damaged in some other, intangible way.

  • Guest

    People like me are why you can sit safe in your house preaching about love and peace. How an open hand will turn the heart of a tyrant knoWing more than likely you have never witnessed true evil and praying you never have to.

    Because I know that it is the man who is willing to stand up for right, for justice and fire freedom is the only thing keeping the monster from devouring you.

  • Crassus

    Hey, Glenn, Gandhi and King both got assassinated. Non-violence and peace didn’t exactly prevail in the end with either of them.

  • Loren Schofield

    You know an armed protest is not the same as a violent protest. Just because they had guns does not mean that they wanted bloodshed. Just because someone is prepared for violence in no way means they want it.

    How much experience do thou have with tyrany? I have a lot, and let me tell you the tyrant wants you to have an open hand. He had nothing to fear do he can have his way. It’s when the tyeant fears, is when he hesitates. Was it people arm in arm singing and calling for peace and love who got rid of the Taliban? No, it was rough men with beards, riding on horses with guns in their hands raining down death who did it.

  • Loren Schofield

    Did pacifists get rid of the tyrants in WWII? No it was men, willing to die running through the surf into the storm of bullets who did.

  • Loren Schofield

    How much better would the blacks in the south have been had they been allowed to have weapons in order to defend themselves.

    Am I man of peace? No. I am someone who has seen war, up close and personal. Who has seen the blood and gore after the battle. Who knows what it means when violence is necessary. Who has lost friends, seen them come home missing limbs, or damaged in some other, intangible way.

    People like me are why you can sit safe in your house preaching about love and peace. How an open hand will turn the heart of a tyrant knoWing more than likely you have never witnessed true evil and praying you never have to.

    Because I know that it is the man who is willing to stand up for right, for justice and fire freedom is the only thing keeping the monster from devouring you.

  • Loren Schofield

    I reworded it. apparently you can’t say either the word n a z i, or h e double hockey stick.

  • Anonymous

    It is interesting to see the divergence of the armed militia sector of the GB audience and the self proclaimed prophet, Glen Beck. Neither camp is willing to admit that the rancher in this case has no legal basis for his position. 21 years without paying grazing fees (which have been part of the law for over 60 years); complete repudiation of his sketchy legal argument by two Federal judges in the District of Nevada and the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals; indirect affirmation of the position of the BLM by the US Supreme Court in 2000 ( a unanimous decision for all of you constitutional originalist fans out there). And this guy is a hero because he believes that the Federal government does not exist? People who refuse to pay taxes eventually pay large fines or go to jail. The BLM obtained a permanent injunction that ordered the cattle confiscation. Did our hero Mr. Bundy appeal that order on an emergency basis? or did he call on his friends to saddle up for a confrontation? Folks he is wrong on the law, plain and simple. That he thinks he is drawing a line in the sand does not make his argument correct.

    I recall the sad case of John Poszgai, a refugee who fled Hungary in 1956. Hardest working guy on the planet, he became a successful truck mechanic who wanted to expand his business. Prior to buying new property, not one, but two engineering firms told him that the land was wetlands and would require a permit from the USACOE. The USACOE told him the same. Undeterred, he filled the wetlands without a permit. He ignored the cease and desist orders issued by the Corps. He was convicted of intentionally violating the Clean Water Act and served 18 months on a 3 year conviction. Why–essentially he did not accept the jurisdiction of the Federal ( and state) government. He was wrong. He was not a biologist or a hydrologist; he was a great mechanic who was stubborn. He became a cause celebre among the crowd that does not like federal intervention. A lot of good that did him. The irony is, had he applied for the permit back in 1986, he would have likely obtained it–they were a lot easier to get back in those days. Instead, he followed his incorrect understanding of law and ended up in jail.
    Cliveden Bundy is not a patriot–he just doesn’t like the law.

  • Loren Schofield

    It was Locke’s formula for limited govern­ment, more than Hobbes’s, that inspired the American Founding Fathers. But what is the basis of Locke’s theory? Is it natural law or Hobbesian natural right? The Founding Fathers, in the Declaration of Independence, speak of both natural rights and natural laws. Locke does likewise. Natural law and natural right may be combined, but if they are, one must take precedence over the other. Either the individual’s right, or his duty to moral law, must come first.

    Natural Law, say’s that there is a moral right from God/nature and man has a duty to follow it. Natural right says the individuals rights are most important even if they supercede another person’s rights. it’s very self focused.

    Locke says individuals have a duty to respect the property (and lives and liberties) of others even in the state of nature, a duty he traces to natural law.[2]Natural law and natural rights coexist, but natural law is primary, commanding respect for the rights of others. right and wrong that nature/God has put inside each man that states there is a moral good/evil. Natural Rights

  • http://www.imbriaarts.com Brittany Dodson

    Loren
    while I respect your service in war you do not understand where we stand is not yet a tyranny. You can stand there and think your justified in the calls for rising up arms, but now is not the time to spill blood. What your asking for isn’t revolution but civil war. I too have seen evil, no its not been evil of war but the evil of home. The evil that arises from anger and fury from people who have taken matters in their own hands. And actions like the words of the former Sheriff Glenn had in his video is a act of such evil. You are blinded by the issues you faced fighting a foreign threat and are willing to create an qually evil situation. Calm down and listen to reason. Its not a peace loving act its a act of civility and kindness that is strength practiced by Martian Luther King, Gandhi and even Jesus Christ. Will there be a time to rise up arms against our government down the line? Yes. But now is not that time. If you can not act in reason then you are not acting in the right. Your words are not that action of a good man but the same of the very men you fought againist.

  • Anonymous

    Hmm, what to do, Glenn. You act like your listener’s leader and I suspect some actually think you are. Judging from the posts I’m seeing in response to your love talk, a considerable portion of your audience wants to fight. You’ve been whipping them into a frenzy for years and you’re going all passive on them when it’s time to make a misguided stand. If you wimp out now, you may loose them. They feel fooled by the gun lovin’ Glenn. Your in the entertainment business, so you know the deal. Braveheart made a lot more money than Ghandi at the box office. Question is, how much money might you loose if subscribers bail now that they think you’re soft? Really, it shouldn’t matter to you since you already have enough of their money to last a several lifetimes.

  • Loren Schofield

    Please reread my posts. I am not calling for armed conflict at all. I hope and pray that doesn’t happen. look at my comments, please.

    I am not blinded by my service overseas if anything that has opened my eyes. I would never in a million years want it. It would not even be a civil war, it would be tribal warfare on par with Bosnia or Kosovo. The chaos and anarchy would be beyond anything someone like you could even begin to understand. I don’t want that for my country, friends or family.

    So how can you say there will be a time to pick up arms in the future? Ghandi and MLK would never say that. What you and Glenn preach is nonviolence and that is where I am confused with Glenn’s statement. He was such a staunch supporter of the 2A, after Newtown, wrote his book Control, and is now saying “peace” and “love”.

    What and when for you would be a time to “pick up the gun?”

  • landofaahs

    There are times when violence is justified such as protecting a child. There are times when violence is justified. Jesus took a whip to money changers in the temple. Is that the example you mean? Jesus stood for justice too not just peace. If you disagree then the American revolution was a mistake along with our involvement with WW1 and WW2. It would also mean that armies under the Catholic church of old were wrong also even if it meant the muslim horde over running all of Christendom. If that’s what you mean, I respectfully but strongly disagree.

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    If hatred were oil America would not have an energy problem.

  • Sabine Gumm

    Lets not compare apples to oranges. Defending your home and family when someone breaks in is one thing. You have the right and should defend what is yours. Screaming and intentionally provoking police officers is probably not a very good idea. Standing up for what is right and against what is wrong is important. Wanting to escalate an already tense situation is stupid unless one believes that shooting some people will resolve anything. The choice is yours to follow Malcolm X or Martin Luther King,

  • Loren Schofield

    Brittany Dodson

    This is in reply to your post that got deleted….

    Just because a man has a gun and willing to use it, doesn’t mean that he want’s violence. Being a man of violence means that he is willing to use violence to defend the rights of people who can’t defend them self. Is Glenn a man of violence because he has armed bodyguards surrounding him and his family everywhere they go? Or is it the bodyguards who are men of violence because they are willing to use firearms to defend Glenn. Or are they just mercenaries, because Glenn pays them for their guns? What does that say about Glenn and his principles?

    What I was trying to say is that men who have seen violence, know the cost, and truly understand what the cost is, if violence happens. Of course we need to use votes to take our country back. Of course we need to use every legal means available to avoid violence. Violence is always the last resort. Violence is the last act of a failed diplomacy. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t prepare your mind and body for violence, if it comes to that.

    Most people who have a CCW permit don’t go looking for a fight. But according to you because they are prepared for that situation then they are preaching violence. Is that a fair analogy? I know this is the internet, so I’m not being sarcastic or hateful. I’m asking.

    How are my words, “not calling for peace”? That’s exactly what they are because I know the true cost.

    I know it’s not his first book. It’s also about the real reason the 2nd Amendment is there. It’s so citizens have as a last resort the ability to fight against an out of control tyranical govt. Glenn also has a book about agenda 21, so I would think he would be all over this story and digging to try to find the truth instead of mocking and making light of Mr. Bundy. Why isn’t he digging into the reason for this, instead of using his power to dig up dirt on the people following Mr. Bundy and making a huge deal about a fringe 10-15 percent. Look at his own house, find what kind of fringe elements are supporters of his.

  • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Davenport

    Ask the Native Americans how well fighting the Fed works.

  • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Davenport

    “The followers of Christ have been called to peace. . . . And they must not only have peace but also make it. And to that end they renounce all violence and tumult. In the cause of Christ nothing is to be gained by such methods. . . . His disciples keep the peace by choosing to endure suffering themselves rather than inflict it on others. They maintain fellowship where others would break it off. They renounce hatred and wrong. In so doing they over-come evil with good, and establish the peace of God in the midst of a world of war and hate” Dietrich Bonhoeffer

  • steve

    Glenn, Stand up when you pee.

  • steve

    Glenn is afraid. someone had the “talk” with him. he is now as valid as Rachael Maddow.

  • JudyTaya

    Beck can talk til he’s blue in the face and he won’t change the minds of the radicals. But why must he beat us to death with this? You are correct…he is slapping us down for no dang good reason. Most of us agree with peaceful protest but at this point we have been castigated to the extreme. It’s unfair and hurtful.

  • Loren Schofield

    What do a free people do when tyranny, injustice and corruption become so overwhelming and abusive as to be destructive and trample individual liberty. What if this injustice is morally reprehensible but no one has been killed, yet. What happens when the over reach of the state is such that individuals cannot fight through the system. Is it not our duty to stand up for the innocent even if it may cost is our life. I am not talking open revolt or insurrection I am talking about making a stand and letting the evil know, that we the people have had enough and we will not stand by for one more second.

    Here is an example that all the Beck supporters will intimately know, and be able to relate to.

    Justina Pelletier. A group of two or three thousand Americans, Patriots and militia, show up in CT, and march on and surround the location this poor girl is being kept. They are armed, but not violent simply stating they are here to return her too her parents, they aren’t leaving, and if she doesn’t get released to her family, they will march in and release her themselves. The police have two options, they can step aside so there is no bloodshed, our they can open fire. The people will not shoot first, but if the police start a war, them by God a war they shall have.

    Would your opinion of these extremists change, when it is a fight over a little girl instead of cows? Glenn’s approach hasn’t worked, probable won’t work, and every day that poor little girl is getting closer to death at the hands of the state.

    Would you still condemn them? Would you mock them on you radio show and say they are crazy and you don’t want those kind of people to be your followers?

    Please all you supporters of Glenn, let’s have an honest debate about this fictional scenario. I truly want to know, and for everyone lets keep it civil and adult.

    Go

  • Onteo

    It’s an attack on another Texas radio host who Glenn perceivs as being angry and inciting people to be violent. Which is not true. Glenn should join with all talk radio hosts in this war we have with the left about our god given rights. He claims to be open and welcoming to all, but actions speak volumes. I still listen Glenn but the hypocrisy is showing.

    Tell me why Glenn refuses to discuss the Harry Reid connection to the bunny ranch issue? Is it because both are high ranking in the mormon church and try have told Glenn not to speak of it??? And no I’m not a zealot as accused of being yesterday.

  • isis5551

    Loren, I am very much in agreement with you. But my husband and I figured out a long time ago, Beck will talk the talk, but not walk the walk. He is a hypocrite. He pays for armed body guards for him and his family. Is this just for when the government commits their final act of tyranny? Or is it to keep you all safe throughout the day? You Glenn, have also taken up shooting. Again, is this just for that out of control government? Or to protect yourselves against some crazed idiot? Either way, your fortunate enough to “buy” your services. The rest of us need to stand arm in arm. When the day comes where you no longer have “guns for hire”, and the crazies, or the very corrupt government come for you & yours, I want you to only have your bible in hand, and start praying for love and peace. See how far you get with that bible in hand then. Oh, and you also have guard dogs. Why on earth would you need them if the bible, love and peace will protect you? Yes, there is a time and place for everything, and it sure looks as though your “prepared”. Yet you preach to us the opposite. And you did NOT do your homework this time. Nor have you mentioned that these ranchers were “allowed” only a certain area for their 1st Amendment God given rights. This scenario is not about Mr. Bundy not paying his fines. Or about the tortoise. This was all about a government land grab by Harry Reid, his son, and the head of the BLM. Yet no mention of over 200 Feds, SWAT, Snipers, guns, tasers and dogs…..all to be used against a man that did not pay his “government fines”? Really????? And you still believe it’s Mr. Bundy that is in the wrong? Go back and do your research. Until then, might I suggest you quit preaching to the choir until you know the “facts”? It takes nothing to quote bible phrases. But it takes a big man to admit when he’s wrong. Which one are you?

  • Onteo

    And at some point what would Glenn have the people in nevadavdo IF. The BLM actually fired on someone. ??? Not fire back?? Help me understand. I think they showed great restraint tazed several times, a pregnant woman pushed to the ground, etc. But when they did what our forefathers did (storm the gates) they backd down. That’s how it’s done.

  • Darral

    The cold hard fact is; that the second Amendment was put in place for Exactly what was happening in Nevada; an armed citizen against an Evil Dictator tyrant government; If any shots were going to fired the Evil Government was going to shot first as matter of fact the did with tazzers; no return shots were fired the citizens used restraint to their credit; Evil Harry, Pinocchio Obama and their Evil Dim Rats lost this round ; but the American people are feed up with this lawlessness; this is just the beginning of confrontation of the people against this Evil Lawless Government;

  • Loren Schofield

    With all due respect I would like your opinion on the question i just posted.

  • Loren Schofield

    I posted a question and since we have been having a discussion i would like your thoughts

  • Loren Schofield

    Since we have been having a discussion I would like your thoughts on a comment i just posted.

    Thanks

  • Dougau

    Love and peace didn’t help the Jews in 1930′s Germany, it didn’t help the Indians in 1830′s America either…

  • isis5551

    I replied to you, but they deleted my post. Guess they really do not believe in the 1st amendment. No surprize there!

  • isis5551

    My sincerest apologies. Yes, they did post my article. I was wrong. I’m sorry!

  • Mike Nelson

    You have also to remember that it takes only a distemperate sense of “unfairness” to bring out the worst in anyone; the mark of a mature person is that, rather than having ONLY a red line, and something they are willing to die for, that they have also found something to LIVE for, and that they regularly engage this pastime as a diversion as well as an earnest pursuit. To me, it’s the difference between wanting God on YOUR side, and one wanting to be on God’s side.

    This is not a criticism of your statements, but for the same reasons that people say suicide is the easy way out, so is choosing your last battle. Such a stand may be taken out of needful sacrifice, but to seek that confrontation… even through passive(-aggressive) means, is not only morally wrong, but counterproductive. Anyone who has a sibling knows what it means to be instigated, then take the blame for their reaction to a sleight unseen by the parents.

    It has bothered me for a looong time that in his advocation of following Gandhi, Glenn fails to convey that Gandhi’s influence came from usurping a movement already in force in the Indian electorate, from people whose motives were less suspect than Gandhi’s, and that in his zeal to gain a following, Gandhi emasculated (read: nudged) that movement, which had more potential for greater good than his own aspirations could fruit or reap.

    A man willing to die for nothing is indeed a sad, sad creature, and is kept free only by the means and actions of those better than himself, but to seek the conflict that would bring about one’s own demise is to seek martyrdom, and THAT is hubris and juvenility at work. There is a big difference between accepting your circumstances, and manipulation of them for the sake of appearances: the difference is in the means/end vs end/means argument.

  • Anonymous

    His lecture tells you the answer….lay down your arms and talk peace. Isn’t that what obama once said about dealing with talibans? Just another hypocrite who would rather use weapons on his own fellow Americans but not on his “enemies”, oh wait, no his friends from the brotherhood.

  • Anonymous

    And to boot, was there any violence at the Bundy standoff? The only violence I saw was Bundy’s son roughed up by the BLM.

  • Anonymous

    AQ true replica of what communism is all about.

  • Loren Schofield

    Well said

  • Loren Schofield

    I appreciate the honesty

  • Anonymous

    It is rather easy for you to point your finger against one man vs the “government”. Please iclude the BIG picture of this beef from Bundy. We are not living in the age of native indians vs the government. What did all those other ranchers do to deserve to leave their lands behind? What would YOU do if the feds decided they wanted your home because they could make big bucks through some wheeling and dealing? Here’s cheers to Bundy for standing up to the corruption of your leadership, whether it is hairy reid or the feds.

  • Anonymous

    I have the same gut feeling…..

  • http://www.imbriaarts.com Brittany Dodson

    He is not making light of Mr. Bundy. your stating he is but clearly you miss several points that glenn has stated other wise. What they are worried about and with just right is having poeple step forth and call for an american spring. You are blinding yourself in the protestors being 100% in the right. But even by Bundy’s own admission the government has the right to remove him from the land. As its not his land and that he has not paid them for its use. Cause he http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/14/in-his-own-words-heres-why-the-nevada-rancher-refuses-to-recognize-federal-authority/ “doesnt acknowledge the law of this federal government” In many ways its a state issue and the current Sherriff has the last say in this.

    Much of the issue is inflamed on both sides of the arguement for who is in the wrong here. But people showing up with weapons stating “They are placing women in front to make sure it gets media attention when the shooting starts.” These are tactics of propaganda that is often used in Palistine againist Isreal. Yet the statements you and several others make is. Thats fine cause its standing against a tyranical government. I say no its not fine your calling for blood to be spilled to prove your point to go to war with ourselves.

    The Government while corrpurt is made of americans just like you. I am not saying dont carry a weapon, nor is Glenn. Nethier of us are saying dont defend yourself should your life be threatend. But what is happening here is not a life being threatened but a mob mentality being built.

  • Anonymous

    So Glenn, would you rather we would “stand down” and just let another massacre like Ruby Ridge or Branch Dividian Compound occur without us lifting a finger to stop it? Because that is exactly the kind of choice you are asking us to make. You talk about exhibiting weakness when we cut military spending and reduce military presence around the world. Perhaps this is the same thing except it is here at home where we shouldn’t have to face off with gov’t officials who come armed for all-out war. They are the ones who came out armed to the teeth, pushing folks around and totally disregarding the stress on mama cows and baby calves. They are the ones who were there with tasers that they actually used on unarmed family members, and they used their canines to intimidate those same people. Are you telling us that God wants us to sit down with our arms crossed and wait for him to send a pillar of fire to save us?

    The BLM came with high-powered guns, lots of 40 caliber ammo, helicopters to watch the civilians from the air and run livestock until they dropped. . . and who was there to protect the Bundy family from all the forces that were being brought to bear. I have to tell you that if I had been a family member, I would have welcomed one and all who showed up to support the cause. I think perhaps you have forgotten that in order to keep what you have, sometimes you have to take a chance and take a stand.

    Glenn, you can’t have it both ways. Either you are with Americans who have had a belly full of gov’t running rough shod over their lives in every single way imaginable, OR you can sit in your safe little studio down there in Texas and condemn those who chose to have a presence and even the odds for the Bundy family. Should we be afraid to take a stand because there might just be a radical in our midst? I am now wondering if you were disappointed that the stand-off ended peacefully and proved you wrong.

    I don’t know about anyone else, but you sure do have me confused. I have been listening to you rail against those who are walking all over the Constitution and the Rule of Law; I have heard you talk about abuse of those who are Christians and the infringement upon their religious rights; I have listened to you speak about who the next George Washington is going to be becoming that one solid leader in our midst. Do you think Washington won the war by hiding down on the farm and leaving his weapon above his fireplace? He was in FRONT of his troops leading the charge, not leading from the rear like our current POTUS is so fond of doing.

    Being fearless and firm in resolve is not for the faint of heart . . . . you either want to preserve the Republic by whatever means necessary, or you have to be willing to live under Socialism and sacrifice all your freedoms as well as those of your children and grandchildren. So, Glenn Beck . . . . . where do YOU stand, or have you decided to sit this one out?

  • Loren Schofield

    Thank you for your comments. I guess I’m coming off wrong. I’m used to being around military, and maybe this is an example of the widening gap between vets and civilians. I am not bloodthirsty. I am not out looking for a fight. I am not writing for the moment, that i can sacrifice my life in some glorious last stand. I have a family i love. I want to see them grow up, get married, have kids.I love them with everything that is in me.

    It breaks my heart thinking about them growing up without me. You see people in the military have had to think about these things. They are a part of life. Every time I deployed I had to update my will, write a biography, take a picture in uniform that could be published if I die. My wife had to fill out paperwork saying how she wanted to be notified, which friends should be there and any other requests. We did that 7 times. We knew what the cost could be.

    So thinking that i want to put my family through that… well your wrong. There is a huge difference between wanting to die, and being willing to die. Most civilians don’t, and never will be able to understand the difference. To them apparently i look like a blood thirsty savage wanting to kill all who oppose me. That is false but does show the divide in not only how we live, but how we think and talk.

    I tried to explain that because i have seen the carnage i understand what it all really means. I KNOW the cost. When i say I’m willing to stand up for what’s right, or willing if necessary to visit violence on someone it’s not a fantasy fired by movies and video game. It’s an acceptance that there are some things in life worth sacrifice. Things that are more valuable then peace, safety or living a long life unencumbered by conflict.

  • Loren Schofield

    Well written, and are you sure it was 40 caliber and not 40 mm pistols? :D

  • Loren Schofield

    I have never did it was right to put women up front. I would never do that, our let that happen. I do know there were women there, but they wanted to be there and weren’t placed there. Glenn while not antagonistic wasnt especially understanding our helpful. Dtu and Pat on the other hand were dispicable. There attitude and comments were rude and disrespectful, and they did not understand the severity of what happened down there. It just looked like they were picking on am old man.

    What happened there was Americans standing up to bullies. It wasn’t a mob, yeah they may have used colorful language and been loud. But when tube been I’m extremely tense situation, the body produced chemicals that make you feel almost giddy. That is what you were seeing as the blm left. It wasn’t a mob, it was the expression of, I’m alive !

  • Anonymous

    Dear Ed: I deal with the federal authorities and state authorities on a weekly basis in my business. Every time one of the agencies wants to propose new regulations, or one of the legislative bodies is kicking around ideas on a new law, the wagons of the regulated circle up and develop a strategy to fight the change. On the other hand, trade associations get together and propose changes to regs and laws that make sense and make life easier. It is the way of the world and has been so long before my lifetime. when laws or regs get enacted that are problematic, they are challenged in court. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Those who decide they are above the law and flaunt it quickly find out that it is a short sighted strategy.
    I am not a rancher; my knowledge of the BLM is limited to news reports and studies that have lambasted that agency on many different levels. However, some of the regs at issue in Mr. Bundy’s world were challenged by a cattleman’s association all the way up to the Supreme Court which rejected the challenge unanimously in 2000. That was the Rehnquist Court by the way.
    To my knowledge, no one tried to take Mr. Bundy’s home. The court approved taking his cattle. Perhaps that order would not have been issued if he had paid more than $0.00 in the permit fees he owed over the past 21 years or even stayed off the land that was off limits.
    He apparently did not seek to redress the issue through the legislative process; I wonder, were the Western states senators that powerless to influence change at BLM; President Bush certainly would have been a worthy ally. Now, the courts have completely rejected his constrained legal argument; so he lost out on the judiciary route. Sorry, not feeling any sympathy for obstinacy masquerading as constitutional argument..

  • Mike Nelson

    I detest the new forum filters; I have no idea what in my post was objectionable, but I don’t have time to retype it.

    I am a disabled vet and enlisted 3 days after Desert Storm began in 1991. I respect your position and my post is addressed as cautionary to any who would read your post and see an incitement to violence. *I* know what you mean, but many do not understand how candyland the US is compared to the rest of the world, and don’t understand the basic concepts of mere shortage (power, water, roads, let alone internet and other luxuries) and the ultimate result of such shortages, let alone the pain such a state of affairs would bring.

    I envy you your family and salute your devotion, and I hope my original post is approved to more fully reflect that position. God bless.

  • Anonymous

    When does the shooting stop? When the progressives stop pushing, shoving and trying to strip us of our rights, tax us to death, and strip us of what little we have. And we better get a plan and become as coordinated as they are or the Republic won’t survive!

    Perhaps the real consideration is if the progressives will voluntarily stop pushing their agenda to morally bankrupt this country as they have done for the past 50+ yrs. They are coordinated, they are communicating and no matter how much dissension there is among the LEGAL American citizens, they are unified in their mission to take over this country exerting ever increasing power and control. How far are they willing to go? I think the gov’t/progressives have plans to go as far as it takes to get what they want. Will they stop before they shoot their friends, family and neighbors or those living in their neighborhoods? They will take no prisoners when it comes to someone interfering with their agenda. We have witnessed this very thing on numerous occasions over the past six years.

    We have waited for them to stop for years, and it is obvious by now that they are not going to end this madness unless we force them to. If you consider it to be overthrowing the gov’t when that gov’t refuses to follow the Constitution and the Rule of Law, then that is perhaps what we will have to do! Maybe we can withstand Obama, and even Hillary, but if you think that will be the end of it, you are sadly mistaken. I don’t think the Left will stop short of full surrender by the conservative coalition of Americans who fight against them and their long-range plans for the future of this country.

    A “peace at all costs” person is always willing to let others fight to protect them . . . are you labeling yourself one of those? I think the conservatives of this country should have put their foot down the very first time the progressives started chipping away at the foundation of our country, and then maybe we wouldn’t be in this place!

  • Anonymous

    Pick a side . . . better to pick a side and be wrong than to sit on the fence chewing your fingernails!

  • isis5551

    Yes. God Bless Justina and her family. She needs out of there asap. That was more intrusion by “extremists”. I would not have had the patience that this family has shown. They pray. We pray. And yet her condition is worsening by the day. This would have been another great example to stand arm in arm and get her out of there……last year!

  • isis5551

    You still trust your government to do what is right? A child is dying, and they do nothing! But yeah, let’s take it to the courts where the judge’s are often corrupt too. We live now in a world of corruption. The government. The judges. Etc. It’s now, who has the deepest pockets? This is not the “good ol days” any more.

  • JudyTaya

    I was really confused about that as well. It sounds like he expects the protesters (and us) to lock arms and sing Kumbaya while the BLM uses them (or us) as target practice.

  • Loren Schofield

    I really want some people who agree with Glenn to comment on this scenario. I wonder if it would make a difference

  • Anonymous

    A side has been picked. Are you on that side?

  • Anonymous

    The progressives won’t stop. I don’t expect the conservatives to back down. Sometimes there is a war that someone doesn’t wish to be dragged into or be led blindly into. Unless you are prepared to turn significant assets of the National Guard, The Air Force (including the nukes), The Marines, The Navy, The Army and The Coast Guard against the Constitution, The Constitutionally-elected government and a significant portion of the US citizens it will only be a war of death and *everything* the progressives say about conservatives will have been “proven” true, thus cementing their position. You think it is hard to get a conservative word in edgewise now? Anything approaching a “conservative” point of view would probably be outlawed.

    This is not a “peace at all costs” situation but it is a situation where we had better find peace, common ground and a workable resolution. Make sure it isn’t a “war at all costs” situation. The world will be watching. Some of the world will be looking on greedily: “Let the stupid Americans fight amongst themselves”.

    Make yourself heard, loudly, in November.

  • Anonymous

    There are just causes but one must be certain and convinced that the cause is just and convinced in a vast majority if the consequences of the majority is vast. Otherwise, we have Viet Nam, Afghanistan and Iraq (#2) — good intentions but not really wars, more like extended police actions that results in extended misery for everyone involved. The “United” Nations is good at encouraging “police actions”.

    Now, is this theoretical range war just? Just in the sense that tens of thousands of people die — even good, innocent people? Who fires the first shot? What is the result of the end of hostilities imagined to be? Are you prepared to allow living progressives: Live, Liberty and The Pursuit Of Happiness?

    A view of the documentary “The Fog Of War” might be enlightening. What seems so clear cut now might not seem so clear cut later. Hindsight is 20/20 but we better make sure that foresight isn’t 20/400.

  • Anonymous

    It appears that some on here think that there were no incidents that led up to those wars and believe violence must be withheld until it has escalated. Those wars always began with aggressors imposing their will/rules on others subtly then overtly. Isn’t it true that action is sometimes a deterrent in itself? And equally, isn’t non-action an invitation for the aggressor to continue the course?

  • landofaahs

    God gave Israel the choice between a king and freedom and he warned them that the king would send their sons to war and make slaves of their children and tax them with heavy burdens and they still wanted a king. So God was for them having freedom even after the fall from the garden of Eden. So if you choose to give up what God gave us a right to, you can do so. I choose liberty.

  • Anonymous

    Well said. Beck’s followers must have a difficult time keeping track of his whipsaw changes of outlook.

  • Anonymous

    One day Beck rants apocalyptically, AMERICA IS DEAD! and OBAMA IS A DICTATOR! .. the next he tells his fans, it’s okay, just vote them out of office. One day he is proclaiming doom and WWIII, the next day he’s hobnobbing with bigshots in Hollywood. What are these poor people to think?

  • ken.

    i have been saying the same thing.

  • ken.

    did the ends of armed protest stopping another waco, ruby ridge justify the means? YES!!!

  • IT IT IT 111

    “MEANS and ENDS
    ———————must NEVER be SEPERATED.”
    JOHN GILL
    Puritan
    ENGLAND
    1670

    “JOHN CALVIN was America’s
    ———————————–REAL founding father.”
    GEORGE BANCROFT
    America’s FIRST historian emeritus
    1830

    And SO
    - — – ——RED CHINA handover TREASON
    — – - – -franchise slums, casinos and wampum
    – – - – - – - -sports and ‘pour know’
    - – - – - – - — – - – –turning on the UNBORN —the old and the halt.
    — – - — – - -PSYCHOPATHIC ‘SIR–veil–ANTS’
    - – - – –TOXIC frequencies
    - – - – - – — -GE Fukishima CESIUM
    - – ———– – - – -Monsanto’s GMO ‘food’,
    ——————————–WE richly DESERVE the
    —————–incremental DESTRUCTION
    —————————————-the Globalist MAFIA is laying over us.

    STIR THY DEEPEST HEED!

    “REPENTANCE
    [---and NOT more MEDIA enmeshment necromancy ]
    ————————-is the
    —————————————VOMIT
    ———————————————— – - – –of the SOUL.”
    JONATHAN EDWARDS
    Calvinist
    1740

    TIME to CAST UP ——ALLLLL!

  • CrapsDealer

    Today, news about yet another gestapo-style raid (over “safety concerns”) when armed officers locked up USA Brass employees (Bozeman, Montana), confiscated their cell phones, and otherwise violated their rights. Still think we should merely bend over on our knees and save our frustration for the voting booth? Did the “ends justify the means” in the Revolutionary War or the Civil War? Absolutely!

  • Sam Oiocha

    Although beneficial accidents are rare, we can prepare for the opportunities they unveil by sharpening our own skills, learning from others’ experience, and gathering the courage to take new chances.