Rand Paul says GOP shouldn’t go crazy with voter ID laws

Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) raised some eyebrows over the weekend with his comments about voter identification laws. In Memphis for the Republican National Committee’s spring meeting, Paul told the New York Times he thinks Republicans are taking the wrong approach when it comes to the voter ID debate.

“Everybody’s gone completely crazy on this voter ID thing,” Paul said. “I think it’s wrong for Republicans to go too crazy on this issue because it’s offending people.”

Furthermore, Paul reiterated his commitment to reinstating voting rights for felons.

“The bigger issue actually is whether you get to vote if you have a felony conviction,” he said. “There’s 180,000 people in Kentucky who can’t vote. And I don’t know the racial breakdown, but it’s probably more black than white because they’re convicted felons. And I’m for getting their right to vote back, which is a much bigger deal than showing your driver’s license.”

While Paul has become known for attempting to make inroads in communities and voting blocks that do not typically identify with the Republican party, on radio this morning, Glenn wondered what political gain the Senator hopes to enjoy from taking this stance.

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“Rand, what are you doing, man? What are you doing,” Glenn asked. “Who cares if it offends people? It’s right.”

Stu pointed to the recent referendum votes in eastern Ukraine as evidence of the hypocrisy on this particular issue. The eastern Ukrainian cities of Donetsk and Luhansk both passed referendums with overwhelming majorities calling on Russia to ‘restore historic justice’ by annexing region. The media reports surrounding those votes, however, has cited tremendous voter fraud as one the reasons for the lopsided results.

“I was listening to a report this morning and they said there was another referendum vote somewhere in eastern Ukraine and 90% again said they wanted to separate from Ukraine,” Stu said. “And they’re like, ‘Well, international authorities will not accept this vote because there were no voter registration rolls, and it appears people may have voted more than once.’ Oh, really? You care about it there? Because you don’t care about it here.”

“Isn’t that amazing,” Pat added.

Glenn asked if anyone has ever protested the need for identification to purchase liquor. After all, a valid ID is required. But no one seems to cry racism over that law.

“Rand Paul says, this is going to offend people… You’ll have to be carded when you go in and buy liquor,” Glenn said. “Do you hear anybody when they say, ‘You’re offending minorities’? Minorities go in and buy liquor, and you’re going to card them.”

A Marist/McClatchy voting rights poll from last July showed that by a slim margin, more non-whites supported voter identification laws than whites. 83% of non-white adults supported the laws compared to 82% of whites. Furthermore, 72% Democrats, 99% of Republicans, and 87% independents support voter ID laws.

“So why is Rand Paul doing this,” Glenn asked. “Look at the polls… If you buy liquor, you have to have an ID anyway. What kind of small little minority of a minority are we talking about that this would really affect? It is so clear that it is the right thing to do.”

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  • Deckard426

    The dead voters in Chicago shouldn’t have to identify themselves. Haven’t they already suffered enough?

  • Dan Adams

    How the f*** can you assume that most of these felons are black? F*** YOU Rand Paul!!!
    “There’s 180,000 people in Kentucky who can’t vote. And I don’t know the racial breakdown, but it’s probably more black than white because they’re convicted felons.

  • Lucas Forde

    Another red flag on Rand Paul. Ted Cruz 2016.

  • Anonymous

    Seems Rand Paul has come under some mkultra/darpa type program of indoctrination. What gives.

  • Anonymous

    Rand Paul is just like his father. Everyone knew that, until a couple of years ago when Rand decided to disguise his true beliefs a bit to appeal to republicans.

  • thedogwalker

    Senator Paul is trying to appeal to voters who wouldn’t normally vote for him. Every single Politician does it.

  • landofaahs

    Trust no politician.

  • Darshien

    Who CARES if somone’s offended? Seriously, you would like to know how the government wants to control our votes? Have 1 illegal alien vote for every ONE person to cancel them out. Get them and the colleges voting and what do you have? A complete liberal vote. It’s legal vote fixing. So Rand Paul just lost points from me. But i’m one person, who cares right? Juan or Jose or whoever cancels my say so anyways so i matter even less. How unfortunate people are worried about peoples feelings and less about their voting rights.

  • Darral

    I happen to agree with Rand and no I am not a felon; my biggest crime is a lead foot; once some does their time off I guess what they call off paper; they should get their constitutional rights back; don’t see any where in the constitution where they are prohibited from their rights at that point; I also understand his statement about voter Id laws, the courts are not backing it; so lets do some thing different; convicted of voter fraud you lose your citizenship and all rights as a American citizen; not illegible to vote and vote hangem; done deal;

  • Populist democrat

    Glenn asked, “Who cares if it offends people? It’s right.”

    That’s the racist Glenn Beck we all know. First of all, offending black people is what Glenn Beck has been doing ever since Obama became President. Next, it’s not right; it’s wrong. Voter ID disenfranchises many poor voters, and that’s why it’s being done. In-person voter fraud is negligible compared with those who cannot afford to get government approved ID. “Out of the 197 million votes cast for federal candidates between 2002 and 2005, only 40 voters were indicted for voter fraud. Only 26 of those cases, or about .00000013 percent of the votes cast, resulted in convictions or guilty pleas.”

    http://voterfraudfacts.com/voterfraud-statistics.php

    Glenn Beck hates government control, unless it’s government control that works to get more conservatives elected. That’s another reason why Mr. Beck is a fraud.

  • texastruthtweet

    WTH? Rand, are you going off your rocker?

  • Anonymous

    Here’s where the Libertarian movement loses traction with the reasonable: At some point on their philosophical map is a border between liberty and anarchy; they just seem to have smudged that line somehow. The entire point of Libertarianism [one would think] is “Liberty”. But Liberty divorced from the moral and religious principle is anarchy; and in a form that puts the brakes on only when – or IF – you get caught.

    Permit me to propose a definition for Liberty that includes the moral and religious principle repeatedly observed and endorsed by the Framers:

    “Liberty is, after Life itself, our pre-eminent Creator-endowed Right; It is the Right from which all other true and legitimate Rights derive. It is the condition of life that exists when the authority and moral principles of every Man’s common Creator are received, respected and reflected in the life. It may be surrendered by cause of iniquity, but may be abrogated only by tyranny.”

    Jefferson wrote, “Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law,’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.”

    The relevance is that when an individual violates another’s Liberty, they surrender their own. Liberty [I say not, "liberties" as though there be many] stands firmly and squarely upon the selfsame ground that God placed Life upon, and Locke believed that when someone takes away an individual’s Liberty, he proposes also to take away his Life [as they stand upon the same Rock], thereby forfeiting his own.

    True civil Liberty depends upon religious Liberty restrained by the moral principle: Abandon personal and individual moral self-government, and civil self-government erodes into tyranny. It is an entropy that cannot be resisted by human thought, nor restrained by human laws.

    Note these words by John Adams as spoken to the officers of the Third Brigade of the Massachusetts Militia on October 17, 1798:

    “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions [ if they are] unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.”

    Some atheistic libertarians deceive themselves that Liberty [moral or civil] can possibly be maintained without reference to an Author who endowed each individual that He created with precisely the same natural, inherent and unalienable Rights as every other. What they truly desire to be free from is the Governorship of the Architect of the Universe, and that Divine Legislator’s immutable and unfaltering Laws.

    The irony is that the liberty that they demand is named in the Greek [Biblical, or Koine Greek] language as “anomia” or “no law”. The New Testament English translation has this, “iniquity” or “lawlessness”; exactly the problem that lands felons in prison, where they may not exercise the Liberty that they denied someone else.

  • Crassus

    Sonny Boy is becoming the GOP version of John Edwards. If he has to, he’ll say anything to get votes. Not even for dog catcher will I vote for this clod.

  • Crassus

    Soros Lib Troll Rule #2: Refer to conservatives as racists, bigots, sexists, homphobes, etc.

  • Crassus

    That’s the problem, Junior. All politicians do it.

  • jen

    agreed, not sure what is going on with Rand. remember, cruz/palin/paul has all establishment advisors who craft their strategy.

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  • Anonymous

    I usually reply to you with favorable post but…why elect anyone, vote ever, or even hold elections if NO politician can be trusted?

  • Anonymous

    Separate the issue from Glenn. Why is it an issue of color? This is a country full of a bunch of white, racist, homophobic, republicans (according to you at least). Why not make sure that the majority white crowd show their IDs before they vote? If you oppose the voter ID law solely on the basis of race, then aren’t you basically discouraging the minority crowd from getting an ID period? How will they get a job, buy cigarettes, buy liquor, rent a car, obtain a driver’s license, obtain a bank account, OR and this is a big one get health insurance (you need an ID to get Obamacare, something that Lefties always say EVERYONE should have). Are you saying that minorities shouldn’t be privy to these things?
    Why on earth would you be against any American of ANY stripe getting an ID?

  • landofaahs

    Well, I figure you have to vote for someone. But have you ever seen a politician that did not let you down at some point? Do you think there is really anyone in politics at that level for any time at all that won’t change their vote against their beliefs especially if they can self justify it in their own mind that it’s for the greater good? Some are more trust worthy I suppose than others but God is the only one I trust, and all others pay in Gold.

  • Anonymous

    Time that the original voter ID laws came into effect = late 1990s/early 2000s
    Cost to obtain a valid voter ID in most of the 30 states that have such laws = $0
    Amount that minorities are “disenfranchised” from voting, specifically in states that are considered historically racist = 0 (actually there was a 4% and higher increase in turnout among black and latinos in all of the states that have those laws: i.e. GA, IN, etc.)
    Difficulty of obtaining said free ID = not very hard (with the possible exception of PA, according to that state’s judge)
    Amount of voter fraud that should be acceptable in the US = NONE
    Look on your face when you realize that you are wrong = Priceless
    (Look on your face when you realize that your vote was cancelled out by faulty machines and illegally registered voters = I shudder to think about it)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_in_the_United_States

    Who remembers the NY Post cover story about fraud in OH registrations prior to the 2008 election? Remember, one of those convicted of voter fraud on multiple occasions, was in OH (and they were a poll station worker).
    And (I know, grammatically we shouldn’t start sentences with and) who could forget our favorite voter fraud organization ACORN?

    http://www.platteinstitute.org/research/detail/the-reality-of-voting-fraud

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/voter_fraud_redefined.html

  • Anonymous

    Voter ID laws have existed in the US for over a decade now, and studies show that they DON’T disenfranchise minorities et al. So, now that one talking point is disproven, let’s ask the logical question, how is a voter ID law bad, especially when 80-90% of people in the US have some form of ID acceptable under many current voter ID laws?

  • Susan

    First he throws his support to Mitch McConnell and not our conservative candidate, Matt Bevin and now this. I’m thinking he need to take a good long look at the people who have entrusted him with their beliefs and stop trying to wheel and deal with the D.C. elite. Get back to basics and he’ll be fine.

  • James

    “Voter ID disenfranchises many poor voters, and that’s why it’s being
    done. In-person voter fraud is negligible compared with those who cannot
    afford to get government approved ID.”

    Horse crap. All these “poor” people can get a picture ID for FREE when it becomes a requirement to Vote. The ONLY people who are AGAINST requiring a Picture ID to Vote are those who intend to vote unlawfully or actively PROMOTE Voting Fraud. (Like YOU.) The statement there’s such a low number of INDICTMENTS for Voter Fraud only PROVES there needs to be better control of the legitimacy of Voters.

    “Glenn Beck hates government control, unless it’s government control that
    works to get more conservatives elected. That’s another reason why Mr.
    Beck is a fraud.”

    Likewise,YOUR post shows that YOU prefer a LACK of Government control only when it helps get more LIBERALS elected;and THAT’S why YOU are a FRAUD.

    BTW-YOU’RE the racist here-you call Beck a racist for simply speaking the TRUTH;a TRUE racist infers racism where there IS none,and plays that worn-thin race card yet again. YOU infer that Beck is a racist because of a hate of Obama,but your alleged racism is ridiculous. RACE has NOTHING to do with Beck’s,and MY intense dislike of this alleged president and his Administration-it’s Obama’s POLICIES and UNLAWFUL ways of ramming his destructive-to-America agenda into what currently passes for LAW that we HATE,and I would dislike Obama just as much if he was (all) Black,Red,White,Yellow,Brown or CLEAR.
    Also,are you AFRAID to post under your REAL name?

  • James

    Because the majority of Felons in the US,it turns out,ARE Black. Either they’re committing more punishable crimes or they’re not good at avoiding being caught.

  • Populist democrat

    The shoe fits in this case. Your lack of intelligence is reflected in the first word of your contemptuous and deceitful comment. Someone does not have to ally oneself with Soros to see Beck’s less than subtle racism. Beck is offensive to black people in large part because of his constant race-baiting.

    Oh, and Glenn Beck is NOT conservative. He is a hard-core reactionary.

  • Populist democrat

    Right, you’ll support Ted Cruz whose extremist views give him a snowball’s chance in hell of winning.

    Apparently you’re clueless: the Republicans are REJECTING the tea party and Glenn Beck’s reactionary vision.

  • Populist democrat

    By “moral and religious principle,” you mean disenfranchising poor people from voting. With principles like that, you should move back to the Middle Ages.

    Liberty must include the freedom to vote in elections, or our Republic is a sham.

  • Populist democrat

    That’s called getting elected. Welcome to the adult world. You are free to invite Mr. Beck to join in.

  • Populist democrat

    His father never came close to winning the nomination. Rand Paul just might.

  • Anonymous

    “Populist Democrat”: Advocate for peaceful, legal democratic revolution in the US to upend and overthrow the corporate regime of the two major parties.

    It figures. We had a revolution, Pop; it gave us the American constitutional Republic. What you are inevitably working toward is the French Revolution and its legacy of self-impressed mediocrity.

    And like Jean-Paul Marat, you put words in people’s mouths and then argue against your characterization of their thoughts or motives. Classic stuff.

    I wrote what I meant, and I am articulate enough to be sure before I click “Post” that I got across my point.

    Deal with the point instead of conveniently re-framing it.

    I meant exactly the same thing that the Framers did. The citation of “moral and religious principle” comes from their writings; I didn’t originate it. The thought that one surrenders their Liberty when they violate someone else’s is also not mine, but is an integral part of the philosophy of Liberty.

    Do you have a problem with the idea that actions have consequences regardless of group status? Do you think justice is better served if it is blind, or if it takes into account upon whom it is being brought to bear [and who gets to decide the identity of those who receive the State indulgence?

    If you have an argument against these ideas, argue it with history and the philosophies of the Framers.

    My Liberty is better protected by a Constitutional Republic than it is by “populist democrats”, who arrogate to themselves a throne of sanctimonious moral and intellectual elitism from which they think to impose their own moral agenda upon everyone else.

    No wonder you folks hate the Declaration of Independence, United states’ Constitution and Federalist papers. They’re all in the way of your grandiose plan.

    I’ll take my Rights from God over group empowerment at the foot of your throne.

    Every day.

  • Todd A Scheller

    How about you join it you hypocritical pig. Remember all your rants against Mr. Beck for lying? Why did you lie about the URL for you blog being blocked?

  • Todd A Scheller

    He came a lot closer to being nominated for President than you did in becoming nominated for that seat in Congress.

  • Todd A Scheller

    So is the lady in this video racist for asking the man for his ID?

    Wait they are both the same race, and he happens to be PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES at the time of the video.

    If a person of their own race can ask for the ID and it not be racist, in CHICAGO, why does it become racist in Republican districts?

    Your stats and those of voter fraud facts are a little outdated there Victor, why did you miss the 113 convicted in Minnesota’s 2008 General Election?

    If your source were right, how come 46 states either have voter fraud CONVICTIONS or PROSECUTIONS since 2000?

    As a uninformed liberal do you know the difference in INDICTMENT and Conviction?
    Victor Scott Tiffany seems to miss the fact that The Constitution is a limit on Government, nor does said document put the Government in control. You would think that a person that claims to hold a Masters Degree, and that studies political theory to get it would know this.

  • Todd A Scheller

    No, Victor, the shoe fits Democrats, because the fought to keep slavery (as someone that claims to be a Lincolnian Republican, you should know this). To combat the freeing of the slaves they formed the KKK to control those freed by the Civil War.
    Victor Scott Tiffany is a hard core liberal progressive, and an hard core idiot.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Was this man disenfranchised when he voted?

    Why is it every state will provide the ID needed to vote for FREE But liberal idiots like you keep saying it will disenfranchise poor people. They are so poor they can’t afford FREE? With a Masters of Arts Degree in Social Sciences, I am sure you under stand the concept of FREE right?

  • Todd A Scheller

    Yet you support extremist views the other way, why the hypocrisy Victor?
    The clueless one here is you. the TEA party nor Beck are reactionary, and you once again are an idiot.
    Come on Victor, lie again about the URL for your blog being blocked here, so I can prove how much a a lying hypocrite you are again.

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  • Todd A Scheller

    Populist democrat, happens to be a white, racist, homophobic, Republican that he keeps railing against.

    From his own blog:

    My name is Victor Scott Tiffany. I reside in Upstate NY, and I’m a registered Republican. Specifically, I am a Lincolnian Republican. That, in the eyes of the reactionary elements within the Republican Party, make me a RINO, a Republican in name only, because the first Republican President is my favorite President of all time. If that makes me a RINO, then what’s that make those calling me one?

    The same blog that he claims is blocked by this site, so he can’t link to it, funny I just did. How is that screen shot of your lie working for you Victor?

  • The Blue Tail Gadfly

    Hi Eldjr

    Good comment. The meaning of true liberty has been distorted by the various factions over the years and forgotten by too many. You hit the nail on the head when you stated what these people desire to be free from is God’s authority.

    ~BTG

    “…the liberty asserted is not a licentiousness of doing what is pleasing to everyone against the command of God; but an exemption from all human laws, to which they have not given their assent.” ~Algernon Sidney, Discourses Concerning Government

    “And what is this liberty which must lie in the hearts of men and women? It is not the ruthless, the unbridled will; it is not freedom to do as one likes. That is the denial of liberty, and leads straight to its overthrow. A society in which men recognize no check upon their freedom soon becomes a society where freedom is the possession of only a savage few – as we have learned to our sorrow.” ~Judge Learned Hand, The Spirit of Liberty

    “What are those virtues? They are chiefly the same virtues, which we have already seen to be descriptive of the American character—the love of liberty, and the love of law. But law and liberty cannot rationally become the objects of our love, unless they first become the objects of our knowledge. The same course of study, properly directed, will lead us to the knowledge of both. Indeed, neither of them can be known, because neither of them can exist, without the other. Without liberty, law loses its nature and its name, and becomes oppression. Without law, liberty also loses its nature and its name, and becomes licentiousness.” ~James Wilson

    “Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their appetites; in proportion as their love of justice is above their rapacity; in proportion as their soundness and sobriety of understanding is above their vanity and presumption; in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsel of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere, and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.” ~Edmund Burke

  • Anonymous

    Good politicians don’t make the news.

  • Anonymous

    Good facts, good stats, I just wanted to say thank you for posting this.

  • Anonymous

    He’s such a moron, it’s laughable. I reply to him for one reason, every time he responds it’s a teachable moment. He reveals the ultimate playbook of the low information voter. What’s funny is how smart he thinks he is. It’s pathetic.

  • Populist democrat

    We had another revolution when the Republicans first came to power and threw out one specific property right, Pop. If anyone is putting words into my mouth, it’s YOU! (Thanks for the hypocrisy.)

  • Populist democrat

    When will you ever figure out that Beck is a liar? I won’t hold my breath.

    I know more about what’s happening than any Beckerhead will learn in a lifetime of listening to liar Beck.

  • Watch it

    How can it be argued that requiring a Voter ID interferes with a persons (poor minority) right to vote because it costs money (very little or it’s free), but it is OK to have laws requiring costly gun permits (NY it’s $340. triennially) which interferes with a persons second amendment rights to keep and bear arms.

  • Todd A Scheller

    When you figure out you are a hypocrite, and a liar Victor let us know.

    The only childish one here is you Victor. So keep the lies coming. You list has grown to forty-seven by the way.

    1). You never coined the term “Yellow Propaganda,”

    yet you defended that claim for three days. How does defending this lie for three days and then claiming it was a mistake change it from a lie Victor?

    2). There were 24 SEALs on the Bin Laden raid, not 39 Seals. Seals are aquatic Pennipeds, they have no opposable thumb, therefore they cannot hold a gun to kill OBL. SEALs are Naval Special Warfare operators specially trained in the

    use of any firearm. It might have been humorous to see the video of OBL being smacked to death with seal flippers though.

    3). There is no limit on the number of post one individual can place in a thread on this website. You never once proved there was a limit, as I often had far more posts on any thread than you did.

    4). Your posts are not disappearing. You never proved this one either. Your posts were being moved into Chronological order, and you were never smart enough to find them, even when I was replying directly to them.

    5). Taxing the rich will solve the budget problem. You never proved this one either. Last year, the US lost 147k Millionaires. How again is the 1% supposed to fund the other 99% all by themselves?

    6). Glenn Beck was fired from Fox News. You and everyone else that makes this false claim has yet to prove it. Glenn Beck announced HE was leaving Fox News on April 6, 2011; he appeared on the network until June 31, LIVE. How long did

    Keith Oblermann remain on MSNBC after they announced he would not longer be on? How about Cink Uygur?

    7). Fox News lost money on Glenn Beck. Still waiting for you to prove this lie, as News Corp made more in profits during Beck’s tenure, because of increased income from FOX NEWS.

    8). You never made a joke about Jesus and sheep, and then had to later edit because you really did. Funny we all know for a fact that you did this and then lied about it.

    9). I nor anyone else has threatened you on this or any other website. Where are these threats again Victor? Got any Links? Shall I prove that you threatened my wife again?

    10). You lie about Benny__Hill and say he is a racist. It’s not true. How quickly can I find a post where you have said as much? You assertion that Benny__Hill called Obama a boy, the masculine term for a child. Gender equates to race again how?

    11). You claim Sandie has violated the cyber stalking law. It’s not true. That’s one you’ll need to prove. If it were true, and you had filed a complaint, she would already be being prosecuted. If Sandie violated this law why is she still free and not at FPC Alderson?

    12). You claimed you are an educated man that acts like a 56 y/o (Now 58), yet your posts prove otherwise. Your post really do prove otherwise Victor.

    13). You lie about not hating Beck. Your posts and your blog prove otherwise.

    14). You lie when you use phonetic spellings of profanity. What more needs to be said? Even your Qbert spellings do not help.

    15). You lie when you say Todd has no credibility. When my posts have references it is hard for me not to have credibility. You do remember giving up your credibility when you lied about allowing me a guest blog post right? What is wrong Victor, do you have an issue when people prove the facts that you used for your blog to be wrong?

    16). You lie when you say you are a media critic. I nor anyone else should trust you to be a critic of dog droppings. You only are critical of Beck, not the Media as a whole.

    17). You lie when you try to redefine things like spam. The bad part is what you used to define spam proved everyone else correct, and you wrong. Relying on Wikipedia is like that.

    18). You lie when you claim ad hominem. Most of us attack your facts and your use of them not you personally, that is when you try to use them.

    19). You lie about Beck all the time. Every time you write something about Beck it contains a lie.

    20). You lie about conservatives who align with Beck. Beck even allowed Liberals on his show, were they aligning with him too?

    21). You lie about Becks audience.

    22). You lie about Beck’s support of gay marriage.

    23). You lie about Van Jones. Where did Van Jones say he was no longer a Communist again?

    24). You lie about Beck’s intent on 8/28.

    25). You lie about Beck’s record of correction.

    26). You lie about how Benny “changed” the settings of Disqus to prevent you from receiving notices in your email that she had replied to one of your messages.

    27). And mostly, you lie about how smart and well educated you are.

    28). Lied that Sandie claimed she was a “good Christian”

    29). Lied that TEA Party are mostly racists.

    30). You claimed Beck is gay, with no proof to support it, other than your assertion. If a former roommate made this accusation on record, where is the record? Still waiting for you to provide the record of where his roommate said

    this. Assuming the claim that two men slept in the same room, it in noway proves that they were intimate with each other.

    31). You provided a quote from Mussolini that Mussolini never said nor wrote. You even had to admit that you were lying about the quote when you got caught at it.

    32). You lie when you complain that posters remove reply buttons. This is set by the website using Disqus not controlled by the user.

    33). You lied about Todd Scheller neglecting his children.

    34). Lincolnian Republican’s do not offer Presentations to the Democratic Socialists of America, but Viktor has no problem with it (or even allow videos of themselves to be shown at their meetings).

    35). You live in NY and yet you still lied about it having a Balanced Budget.

    36). You lied about the CR being the Ryan Budget.

    37). You lied when you said it was Republicans that removed millions from NIHs budget, but it was Obama that did it on March 1, 2013. So it was not even LAST

    YEAR (2012) like you claimed.

    38). Victor claimed on October 10, 2013, that the Federal Health Care Exchanges did not open on October 1, 2013. Really? They had been in the news at that time as having flaws, and needing to be shut down several times for fixes.

    39). Claimed that NY Constitution requires a balanced budget

    at Article VII, Section 2: Ҥ2. Annually, on or before the first day of February in each year following the year fixed by the constitution for the election of governor and lieutenant governor, and on or before the second Tuesday following the first day of the annual meeting of the legislature, in all other years, the governor shall submit to the legislature a budget containing a complete plan of expenditures proposed to be made before the close of the ensuing fiscal year and all moneys and revenues estimated to be available therefor, together with an explanation of the basis of such estimates and recommendations as to proposed legislation, if any, which the governor may deem necessary to provide moneys and revenues sufficient to meet such proposed expenditures. It shall also contain such other recommendations and information as the governor may deem proper and such additional information as may be

    required by law. (New. Derived in part from former §2 of Art. 4-a. Adopted by Constitutional Convention of 1938 and approved by vote of the people November 8, 1938; amended by vote of the people November 2, 1965; November 6, 2001.)”

    40). Victor claims Todd Scheller never attended college. Yet Mr. Scheller has a BS in Criminal Justice Administration from the University of Phoenix, and a Master’s of Science in Justice and Security Administration from the same institution. Mr. Scheller also attended the University of Central Oklahoma.

    41.) Victor claimed that Prohibition was not a Progressive

    program. How this moron got two college degrees is beyond me.

    42). Victor claimed there was nearly no voter fraud. Yet Minnesota had 113 convictions for it after 2000. There were 38 convictions in 13 other states over the same period.

    43). Victor claimed and found a source that said all Southern Democrats voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, yet I was able to provide the list of the 23 Democrats from states that Victor thinks are Southern States that voted FOR the law.

    44). Victor claimed there was no boycott of Chris Matthews,

    yet I was able to find three sources going back to 2008, calling for a boycott of Matthews.

    45). Victor claimed the Republicans in the House are holding

    up the American Jobs Act, even though they passed it, on a vote of 405-16. Yet it did not get passed by the Senate, because it could not clear a cloture vote.

    46). Victor claimed that Justice Kennedy did not cite corporate rights in the CU v. FEC decision, yet I was able to find three examples of where he did in the decision, and four more in the summary.

    47). Victor claimed the US is only #1 in killing people abroad,US #1 in GDP, oh it really does only take one to prove this to be a lie.

    48). Victor lied about the URL to his blog being blocked.

    Please hold your breath, until you can’t anymore and save us all from your idiocy.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Your empty assertion still do not facts make. What specific property right did the Republicans take? Maybe you missed where another HUMAN is not the property of a human being.
    Did you give up your Lincolnian Republican ways?

  • Todd A Scheller

    See Victor demonstrate what a tool he is, why can’t you be an adult and directly reply Victor?

  • Watch it

    He nailed you, you sanctimonious blowbag.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Victor,
    I have an education, thus why I can continually prove what a liar and how hypercritical you are. If you truly had an education you would not need to edit you posts and could be a grown up and directly reply, and not link to your failed blog.
    When you learn to write in readable English, you can pick on someones. Then you hypocritically link to your blog where you display your ability to copy and paste.
    Keep up the hypocrisy Victor.

  • Watch it

    Because he’s a coward.

  • Todd A Scheller

    See, Victor, I never claimed that Obama was poor, all I claimed was that he was ASKED FOR AN ID TO VOTE, in Chicago none the less. DUH!
    Nor did I ignore facts that you presented, because you did not present any. Where did I claim that I was winning? Make stuff up as you go along Victor? Its simple. YOU Lied about the URL to your blog being blocked here, and after it was proven you start linking to it again. Imagine that you hypocritical lying moron that you are.
    Keep the edits coming it is truly comical.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Kind of like 7-Up. Never had it never will.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Watch Victor continue to add to his comments because he is a coward and cannot post a direct comment, because he is to scared that it might be found.
    As a WHITE man why don’t you try and prove why blacks vote Democratic? Like you know. Hint: It goes back to a comment made by LBJ, that was far more racist than anything the Donald Sterling said. Keep the edits coming to protect your lies Victor.

  • Todd A Scheller

    You don’t even know when you lie yourself Victor, I had to prove to your 48th lie that I have found. Keep trying to edit your posts so that you seem smarter than you really are, please, it is not working like you think it is.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Victor,
    You are the one claiming that asking a person to prove that they are registered to vote (and can thus legally vote is racist). Yet I can prove with Video that President Obama, probably the most photographed person in the US the last five years was asked for his ID, by a fellow African-American, and you NEVER cried that she was racist for doing so. Most states that offer free IDs have MOBILE ID centers to make sure that no one has to travel. Was it racist when they passed a FEDERAL LAW requiring ID for Federal Elections Victor?
    Why do you keep falsely keep claiming that I am a fascists? The fascists were leftists Victor, no conservatives.
    Six edits in one day because you are a coward and cannot directly reply.

  • Todd A Scheller

    No, Victor, your own ignorance makes you a hypocrite. You are the one that falsely claimed that you could not link to your blog, and looky here you are doing it again.
    The moron here is you, the one that argues that PPACA is settled law and we have to accept it because SCOTUS has decided, yet you are free like the hypocrite you are to argue against a case that is older, and has had cases decided sense to support the finding of the Court.
    Grow a set Victor and act like an adult and directly reply, your edits are not making you look an more intelligent, they actually make you look more moronic, if that is possible. Seven and counting today.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Notice the only one making that argument is Victor Scott Tiffany, tool for the left.

  • Watch it

    He is part of that “lunatic fringe” that is so easily captured by the liberal progressives due to his lack of critical thinking skills and desire to be seen as a rebel against the establishment.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Were you not the hole that called my work because you could not win a debate on the internet with facts? Who is the bigger hole here Victor?

  • Anonymous

    Please, what lie has Beck told? You actually really don’t know a whole lot. Are you going to go away yet?

  • Anonymous

    I have to admit, I love what you’re doing here.

  • Anonymous

    It’s time to go away now…bye bye…

  • Todd A Scheller

    Yet Victor makes it so easy.

  • Todd A Scheller

    This fool has been posting here for years under various names. He still does not get that he is a hypocritical idiot.

  • Populist democrat

    Click on the hot link and read. Do I really need to give A-B-C instructions? Apparently.

    Todd Scheller = stupid hypocrite!

    And ZERO adds more ignorant nonsense, apparently missing everything that ignorant Todd has been writing. Hey ZERO, try paying attention for once in your life.

  • Anonymous

    VST, you don’t know much of anything, except the left wing talking points, the rest of the propaganda that accompanies it, and your own delusional machinations..

  • Anonymous

    Pretty pathetic when you have to spam your “I hate Glenn Beck” website to get people to hit on it, ZERO.

    Hey, why are you talking to yourself again, ZERO? Off the old meds?

  • Anonymous

    It’s funny how you have to attack someone else when you are posting to Crassus to get the heat off yourself. Hypocrite – Strawman.

  • Populist democrat

    “Watch it,” aka Sandie Smear, is still spouting ignorant nonsense here. I live in NY and own a rifle. Fee? ZERO. She wrote, “requiring costly gun permits….” No, those are pistol permits, not “gun permits.” Attention to detail is not her forte. Neither is honesty. Nor integrity.

    That’s the kind of deceitful and/or ignorance claims so typical of Sandi Smear, Beckerhead Ordinaire. The sheriff’s dept. has been notified about the various threats that several Beckerheads have made against me over the last few years.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/blog/update-voter-id-costs-states

    Now, the gang of pathetic children have turned yet another web page into a flame war. At least here, pathetic childishness rules the roost.

  • Anonymous

    Here are the words you tried to stuff into my mouth:

    “By “moral and religious principle,” you mean disenfranchising poor people from voting.”

    You ‘outed’ yourself as a mill-grade neo-Bolshevic with this.

    Thanks. ;)

  • Anonymous

    BTG, we’ve ‘met’ here before. Thanks for your bolster; I’m thankful for a concurring voice.

    I’m slowly working on a book about these themes. I’ll employ these worthy citations that you’ve offered.

  • Anonymous

    Woooo-hooooo!
    If I smoked, I’d have a cigarette after this post.
    Yeah. It’s that good.

  • Anonymous

    Why is victor such an angry little man?

  • Anonymous

    Partly because he posts BS and he gets called on it – which embarrasses him. He can’t take correction and he hates Beck, but claims he doesn’t. The guy has been a moronic nuisance for years. He used to post horrible personal attacks on people who would refute his claims or would otherwise not agree with him – really vile, vulgar sexually explicit things, especially to the women and he threatened people. His behavior got him banned from several websites – some, like here, more than once. He eventually re-invents himself and gets back in. Notice how he doesn’t respond to others that best him – instead he goes back and edits his comments after their response to launch an attack on them, thinking they will never see the new attack on their dashboard (then what’s the point?). This behavior as well as other things he does are psychotic behaviors. The guy needs professional help.

  • Watch it

    As is typical of the kind of deceitful and/or ignorant claims so typical of Vile Victor . . . . .

    Victor, fees are different for different Towns and/or counties. Just because YOU didn’t pay a fee of $340 doesn’t mean others don’t have to. Contrary to your ego, the state of New York doesn’t revolve around you and your particular experience. My statement about NY is general, it is not a statement about Ithaca. Not everything is about you.

    Now as to your smearing, here’s a bit of info for you, Mr. Ithaca criminal who didn’t pay his fees:

    **From the office of THE SHERIFF OF TOMPKINS COUNTY, Ithaca NY,
    PETER J. MESKILL, SHERIFF

    “At this time the nonrefundable fee of $109.00 must be paid in CASH. These fees cover the Division of Criminal Justice fee of $75.00, the County License fee of $10.00 and the FBI fee of $24.00. ” **

    http://web.tompkins-co.org/sheriff/admin/files/New%20Cover.pdf

    And here are some links to the $340 fee.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/feds-city-shoots-straight-pricey-340-gun-permit-article-1.1394674
    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/07/foghorn/nyc-court-340-license-for-handgun-posession-doesnt-violate-second-amendment/
    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/03/robert-farago/manhattan-federal-court-340-nyc-gun-permit-is-no-biggie/
    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/03/citys-340-gun-permit-fee-passes-constitutional-muster.html

    Once again we have refuted just another of your deceitful and/or ignorant claims so typical of Vile Victor Smear, Beckerhead Peckerhead Ordinaire.

  • Guest
  • Watch it

    Here’s a thought – the Sheriff’s phone number is on the memo, what if someone was to call him to let him know you have a gun, maybe it should also be conveyed how you threatened someone with it too? I am sure he’d love to hear that. LMAO! You like calling peoples work places to complain about them, to try to get them into trouble, maybe payback is in order…

  • Watch it

    Here’s the rest of the notice:

  • Guest

  • Watch it

    Ooops, I guess deleting the comment doesn’t delete the attachment. LOL

  • Populist democrat

    Why do you believe Beck’s many lies and ignorant assertions? Gullible? Much.

  • Populist democrat

    Yeah, Todd lies THAT much. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. Todd’s lies have been debunked multiple times, but he’s stubbornly stuck on LIES. It’s a sleaze thing. As a fan of Beck’s sleazy propaganda, you must understand.

    Ya, right.

  • Anonymous

    “Victor”, is it?

    How ironic.

    Okay, “Victor”… when you can move your ‘contributions’ beyond 6th-grade “I know you are, but what am I?” somebody here will take you seriously.

    Out of curiosity I perused many of your posts, only to find a less-than-mature penchant for railing, name-calling and cheap talking points without substance.

    Further, your snide and haughty disrespect for those with opinions other than your own is most unbecoming someone with your lofty moral and intellectual ostentation.

    For the record, I don’t agree with Beck on every point.

    Your POV reflects a monochromatic Jacobinism.

    Now, the thing about radicalism is, that from where the radical is standing, anyone who opposes their eccentric – that’s “out-of-balance” – view they call, “radical” or “extreme”. Isn’t that funny?

    Adolescence is a positive step forward from overt childhood, but when emotional development is arrested there it makes for an adult who is subject to the hypersensitivity, drama, confusion, and defensiveness, and hostile jealousy that marks one still not quite of full adulthood.

    Are you seeing a therapist?

  • Anonymous

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…

  • Todd A Scheller

    Ahhhhh, poor Victor, you debunk lies with facts not empty assertions.
    How about that last one where you lied about your blog URL being blocked, and then used it several times on this very thread.
    Oops, guess you forgot that I have a screen shot of that lie from you.
    Come on Victor address each lie here and now with facts, come on big boy show us what you got, you claim to be SOOOOOOOOOO much smarter than the rest of us give it a go. ADDRESS EACH AND EVERY LIE ONE AT A TIME WITH FACTS AND SUPPORTING EVIDENCE.

  • Todd A Scheller

    His wife forgot to wash his boxers and now he has to wear her thongs.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Victor Scott Tiffany to be exact.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Mussolini, the same Benito Mussolini that was kicked out of the Italian Socialist Party when he was a college professor? That Mussolini that you used fake quotes from?
    Mussolini that made it quite clear that he was a TOTALITARIAN DICTATOR?
    The same Mussolini that made it clear you have no idea what you are writing about?

  • Anonymous

    Irony:

    “victor” = “winner” ;

  • Todd A Scheller

    So why do I have all these different pictures of the political spectrum that refute your ignorant claims? Yet none of them come from BECK.

    Lets see what the BBC has to say about Mr. Mussolini shall we?

    Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini was born on 29 July 1883 in Predappio in northern central Italy. His father was a blacksmith. Employment prospects in the area were poor so in 1902 Mussolini moved to Switzerland, where he became involved in socialist politics. He returned to Italy in 1904, and worked as a journalist in the socialist press, but his support for Italy’s entry into World War One led to his break with socialism. He was drafted into the Italian army in September 1915.

    In March 1919, Mussolini formed the Fascist Party, galvanising the support of many unemployed war veterans. He organised them into armed squads known as Black Shirts, who terrorised their political opponents. In 1921, the Fascist Party was invited to join the coalition government.

    By October 1922, Italy seemed to be slipping into political chaos. The Black Shirts marched on Rome and Mussolini presented himself as the only man capable of restoring order. King Victor Emmanuel invited Mussolini to form a government. Mussolini gradually dismantled the institutions of democratic government and in 1925 made himself dictator, taking the title ‘Il Duce’. He set about attempting to re-establish Italy as a great European power. The regime was held together by strong state control and Mussolini’s cult of personality.

    In 1935, Mussolini invaded Abyssinia (now Ethiopia) and incorporated it into his new Italian Empire. He provided military support to Franco in the Spanish Civil War. Increasing co-operation with Nazi Germany culminated in the 1939 Pact of Steel. Influenced by Hitler, Mussolini began to introduce anti-Jewish legislation in Italy. His declaration of war on Britain and France in June 1940 exposed Italian military weakness and was followed by a series of defeats in North and East Africa and the Balkans.

    In July 1943, Allied troops landed in Sicily. Mussolini was overthrown and imprisoned by his former colleagues in the Fascist government. In September, Italy signed an armistice with the Allies. The German army began the occupation of Italy and Mussolini was rescued by German commandos. He was installed as the leader of a new government, but had little power. As the Allies advanced northwards through Italy, Mussolini fled towards Switzerland. He was captured by Italian partisans and shot on 28 April 1945.

    How many right wing Socialists do you know Victor? Keep proving how stupid you really are.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Not arguing with myself at all Victor, just because you did not make a comment here about PPACA does not mean that you have not made them before under you previous screen names.
    What evidence do you have Victor that I am a fascist or are you making that up as you go along?

  • Todd A Scheller

    You also claim to own a SMITH & WESSON pistol. or do you forget threatening Doodadio with it?

  • Todd A Scheller

    Did the Sheriff’s Office laugh at you?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkJ_0WqBQns

    There is an easy solution to the flame war problem, stop posting your lies.
    What again does the cost of Voter IDs to the state have to do with “pistol permits,” which happen to be commonly known as GUNS? Struggling to stay on topic Victor?

  • Todd A Scheller

    Only in his dreams.

  • Todd A Scheller

    I find it funny also that in its original Latin it means Champion. In Victor’s case champion of what?

  • Todd A Scheller

    Why do you post so many lies? Ignorant much? Do you remeber the one about your blogs URL being blocked?

  • Populist democrat

    This stupid hypocrisy of yours has to be called out. I’m posting lies? What’s this Toady? “His wife forgot to wash his boxers and now he has to wear her thongs.”

    THAT IS A LIE, AND Mr. Hypocrite, OFF TOPIC. Leave it to the fascist prison guard as pathetically stupid as Todd Scheller to stick his proverbial foot in his proverbial mouth on the very page he lied and went off topic. I never claimed to own a Smith and Wesson; I invited the ghost in the machine, doodadio, whoever in hell that is, to meet with my lawyers, Wesson and Smith after his dishonest question about my wife, the very same dishonest question you asked, Mr. LIAR!

    What’s obvious, from lie after lie after lie, is that “Watch it,” aka Sandie Smear, is a LIAR, no spinning necessary.

  • Watch it

    You didn’t say you owned a “rifle” – you said a “gun”. Threats you have made to people in the past indicated that what you had was a pistol aka “handgun”. My bet is that now you have been caught not paying your fees, you are going to lie about it to cover up.

    The one turning the page into flame war is you Victor. You keep going back and changing your posts, after others respond, to attack them or to change your screw ups and lies that are pointed out. YOU have proven YOURSELF to be the deceitful ignorant one.

  • Watch it

    “victor” = “winner”

    Yeah – his parents were desperately hoping.

  • Watch it

    You make such stupid assumptions and false claims.

  • Watch it

    It is obvious what you implied with the Smith & Wesson threat. You have also posted that you have “guns in every corner of my property”. Just more evidence that you are a liar – either way you spin it.

    It is pathetic but hilarious how you twist and rewrite history in a painful effort to make yourself look innocent.

  • Watch it

    He was posting to you, moron boy.

  • Watch it

    Vile Victor aka Populist democrat aka Liar aka Beck Hater, aka Ithaca’s village Idiot, is the one so far behind the curve of reality. BTW, I didn’t post anything deceitful or ignorant. Everyone knows that you write this crap in a pathetic and desperate effort to save yourself from your self inflicted wounds. The fact of the matter is, NY charges exorbitant fees, varying depending on where one lives, for a person to be able to practice their 2nd Amendment rights, (a policy/law supported by the left – you) while crying that voter id (cheap or free) obstructs peoples right to vote.

    Keep the lies coming Vic, you are prolific in this practice, but ineffective.

    BTW, why are you not posting your attacks on me directly to me? Instead you hide like a coward by posting your smears and lies elsewhere, then editing them as if your dishonest and deceitful actions will never be caught. So what then is the point of that activity, other than some psychological game you play in your sick mind that makes you feel like you scored a shot to vindicate yourself without anyone knowing it. You are one sick puppy. Your psychosis will not get better without treatment. You need medication, that much is quite obvious.

  • Watch it

    So, you admit to harassing Todd – being that you called his employer and tried to get him fired or otherwise make trouble for him. Your claim about Todd hunting you down is garbage, as usual. You forget about the eye witness audience here and the archives. You are lucky that Todd didn’t file charges on you. Of course the statute of limitations hasn’t run out yet….

    Vic, if you don’t like getting involved in flame wars, don’t light the match.

  • Watch it

    Yes, he made the claim. He also claimed he had guns (plural) in every corner of his property too when he threatened someone else if you recall. Was he lying then or is he lying now when he claims to only have “a rifle”?

    I bet he is trying to do a CYA on the pistol, not wanting the sheriff to know he has one since pistol permits are denied if there is ANY arrest record.

  • Watch it

    That’s hitting the nail on the head.

  • Anonymous

    You must be a gas to be around.

    Chlorine, maybe.

  • Anonymous

    PROZAC. Get it TODAY.

  • Anonymous

    Is Glenn Beck offensive to Thomas Sowell or Herman Cain, or Justice Clarence Thomas, or any of the millions of “minority” Americans that live and vote conservatively?

    Is a “black” person not really “black” if they’re not a progressive? Or
    do they have to bed down in the Progressive Plantation “field-house” in
    order to get respect? Are they not “black” if they’re not offended by conservative ideas? So then one might be ethnically “black”, but still be excoriated by the racist Progressives because they dared to leave the plantation. Oh, they might not be physically whipped, but mercilessly punished nevertheless. The Progressive is the racist, and turns their race-hatred on any “minority” that leaves the Party Plantation.

    “Stop Progressive Hate!”

    [where's my ribbon?]

  • Todd A Scheller

    A match? This idiot tries to use a flame thrower and then wonders why he gets burned.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Victor,
    Keep proving that YOU LIED about the URL to your blog being blocked. Who is the real moron? More than likely the moron that hypocritically claims that Glenn Beck lies, with more lies.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Wow, Victor, really low attacking my wife who is not even part of the conversation. Who is the one fighting a childish flame war again there hypocrite?

  • Todd A Scheller

    You would think someone as pathetically stupid a Victor Scott Tiffany would give up after trying to call someones employer to get them fired did not work. But yet here is Victor Tiffany again spreading his lies.
    Behind the curve of reality? This from the moron that wants to argue that Corporations are not people, yet there are THREE Federal statutes that clearly define them as such? There is enough case law on it to fill a dump truck, and this idiot is still trying to change the law? That idiot would be you Victor.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Wow, I am empresses that you know what the reply button does rather than the edit button.
    Most people call that PARODY, or a joke Victor, you jsut can’t seem to grasp that. As it was in answer to someones question as to why you were so angry it was on topic, so once again you LIE.
    PROVE THAT I AM A FASCIST PRISON GUARD OR DROP THE CLAIM. Take the challenge Victor, I dare you.
    I once again did not go off topic as I was answering a question with a PARODY of you Victor, get over yourself, you are not as smart as you think you are.

    Did you not tell Doodadio: “How about I introduce you to my lawyers, Smith & Wesson? You might want to call the county coroner and bring along a body bag.” You can’y help your self but lie Victor. You did not reverse the names and you know it, you have to try and lie here to save face. The liar and hypocrite here is you.

    You are done here, no one buys your horse manure. What does the sheriff’s department tell you when you call them about the supposed criminal harassment Victor? Are they still laughing at every call that you make?

  • Todd A Scheller

    Victor’s favorite toy even though he is over 50.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Because like the Coward that he is not only must he hide behind ever changing pseudonyms he must also not directly comment to us so that he can try and hide his many lies.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Funny, you are the one whining there Victor, not me. I just keep proving how stupid you are. And you keep linking to a blog that you lied about being blocked. So who is the ignorant one here?

  • Joshua Rojas

    Beware of those who tell us to give up our principles to win their elections. Cruz 2016!

  • Populist democrat

    …writes the pathological liar.

    It’s pretty hypocritical to claim I lie and then keep posting silly, childish lies. Then again, Todd; hypocrisy is your forte.

    Below, Todd falsely claims, “…writes the guy that cannot prove ONE lie from me.”

    Uhhhh, I never had one of these toys. Not now, not ever. That makes his claim a LIE. Todd Scheller, so stupid he doesn’t know a lie when he tells one.

  • Todd A Scheller

    …writes the guy that cannot prove ONE lie from me.

    Hypocrisy is your forte Victor and again you project to much.

  • Bob Stauskas

    Since it is impossible for anyone to know what anyone else does best, the only ways to find out are through competitive social processes.

  • Watch it

    LOL. His delusional mind edits that stuff out because he can’t accept his part in initiating things because of his behavior.
    Denial Denial Denial !

  • Watch it

    How did he use it with his head where it always is?

  • Watch it

    How funny that he edited his post down to

    “Heavy Sigh”

    after I responded with the above to his tirade and personal attack. Maybe he was afraid he would get banned if it was brought to the attention of the moderators.

  • Watch it

    It’s pretty hypocritical to post lies and personal attacks, then after receiving responses in kind, you edit down your original attack and lies to a simple bit of nothingness.

  • Watch it

    LOL. You went to all that bother to edit down your comment deceitfully, proving what was revealed about your dishonesty by everyone, when it was all print copied before you did it – for the archives. LMAO! That means I have copies of you admitting stuff about your guns.

    Jing Jing Jing !

  • Todd A Scheller

    That is a river in North Africa right?

  • Todd A Scheller

    Which means we end up Where we always knew where Victor was, NOTHING.

  • Todd A Scheller

    I don’t want him banned, I want his idiocy on display for everyone.

  • Watch it

    LOL.. The Nile is in N Africa. Denial is in Ithaca. LOL

  • Watch it

    LIAR!. You edited it down to “Heavy Sigh” to eliminate the evidence of what you are and what you do. You are so deceitful and such a liar. You can call me any names you want. smearer, but the truth will nail you every time! LMAO!

  • Watch it

    LOL he has changed his “Heavy Sigh” edit he made to hide the evidence that convicts him, to something even lamer. What a moron..

  • Watch it

    Thing is, he keeps changing his idiocy to different idiocy in a vain attempt to hide his guilt. I can’t wait for the right time to post the jing copies of all the things he changed to show what a liar deceiver and smearer he is.

  • Anonymous

    I haven’t taken the time to read the comments, and this is a bit late, but want to toss in my oar. I am not Libertarian to the extent of Rand Paul and he would not be my first choice as nominee – but I must defend him here. I have seen him discuss this issue often and agree with his point.

    His point is that we have to concentrate our national campaign – the actual elections – on the basic issues of principle rather than a scatter gun approach. Shotguns are great weapons at close range but as the pellets scatter they lose effect. I am fully in favor of voter ID laws, and from all I’ve gathered so is Rand Paul – but if we allow the Democrats to distract us into various battles we lose our impact. Voter ID is an important issue, the fraud is rampant – but the Democrats have the emotional weapons on the topic, as well as the statistics that show little prosecution for voter fraud. That latter is a canard, it just shows that the few prosecutions are because without voter ID it is difficult to prove fraud on an individual.

    The basic issue is the attempt on the part of the “Progressives” to turn our nation into a democracy with a uniform policy defined by a national majority. The Greek word demos means “the people”, but the people in the early Greek democracy (rule of the people) were the male citizens, and citizenship was limited. We are a republic, a representative democracy. We are a vast nation with varying interests, the Constitution recognized that in setting up the House and the Senate (here’s to the repeal of the 17th Amendment).

    I have an issue I’d like to offer, an Amendment to Article 4, Section 1 (the full faith and credit clause). I would add to the first sentence the phrase “unless said Acts, Records and judicial Proceedings be illegal in that State”. I would not run on that as a primary issue – it is a bit esoteric.

    To repeat, our nation is vast and varied. We are a federation, a union, of sovereign states within our country. The Constitution properly treats us as one sovereign state, the Union, when it comes to international treaties and conflicts – but it also treats the several states as sovereign within our union. The younger among you may not know that the word state at the time of the Constitution implied a nation. France and England were sovereign states.

    The Progressives want to turn our states into provinces of a national state, they don’t have to change the name to do it, just the meaning of the word state. BTW, I use the word Progressive not as a new euphemism for Liberal, Liberal was a euphemism for Progressive years ago. I am liberal – I have an open mind to new ideas. I am conservative – I have a respect for old ideas. Our Founding Fathers were liberal, they read the new ideas of some philosophers and created a society based on equality of opportunity rather than the traditional societies of Europe. A true liberal is willing to try a new idea, and discard it if it doesn’t work. A true conservative is willing to change his mind if it is proven that a new idea works.

    I have to toss this in, perhaps it proves my point. In the late sixties I attended a lecture (at our local school board meeting) by Barry Commoner. He was promoting “linear cities” – a corridor of concrete from Boston to DC as an example – to spread the urban poor and give them the advantages of the privileged suburbs. I raise my hand and asked him what that would do to the environment – the elimination of the trees that absorb CO2 as “food” and “exhale” oxygen. He immediately put me down as “you right wing, tree hugging, conservationist”. It wasn’t long after that that his Common Cause was supporting tree huggers of the left who now were environmentalists against “global warming”.

    I am still both liberal and conservative in the true sense of the words. If California wants to experiment with Progressive agendas my mind is open to that, I just don’t want to pay for it by a national tax.I am also conservative in that my own vote would be against those “new” ideas that are actually old ones already proven wrong.

    OK, here’s a new one for the argument. Pythagoras had a new idea, he investigated the musical string and found the fifth harmony – and then the third, etc. – as he found the overtones inherent in the division of the string length by integer fractions. Plato accepted the new harmonies but said “why do we need them, the octave harmonies work perfectly well” (a paraphrase, but I could give you the reference). If Plato’s conservatism had prevailed we would have only unison singing. On the other hand, had Pythagoras not found that the other harmonies worked and continued to seek new ways to make harmony by spending more time on a failed idea, and the community had accepted them, we would have cacaphony. Our minds should be open, liberal, to new ideas – and our minds should be able to respect the old ideas, conservative. The balance should be a gradual advance of progress toward the ideas that work best for all, both as individuals an as a group but with no favor to either.

  • hotdog

    Acceptable ID’s are very easy to come by, voting is a sacred right and if you can’t be bothered to fill out a simple form and take perhaps a few minutes to identify yourself properly, maybe you are too lazy or stupid to understand who to vote for anyhow. Or maybe you are a criminal who doesn’t want to be IDed. Either way requiring an ID to vote doesn’t discriminate against anyone white, black, Hispanic, Asian, whatever.

  • Watch it

    Liar. You talked about your guns, admitting that you didn’t pay for a permit, thus assuming it was OK. You edited it down to save your sorry behind. It is easy to see from what my response was to that post. You lied.

  • Guest

    woops