Liberty University under fire for inviting Glenn to speak at school’s convocation ceremony

Last month, Glenn delivered the convocation address at Liberty University in Virginia. Glenn’s speech wove together both history and faith in an attempt to illustrate how “times are changing.” Liberty has come under fire for inviting Glenn to speak, as certain outlets interpreted Glenn’s words as a “sermon” based in Mormon theology. On radio this morning, Glenn defended the school.

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“Liberty University is being smeared, absolutely smeared, and they’re being smeared by religious people, people who claim to be followers of Christ,” Glenn said. “Now, I’ve read the Bible several times, and I just can’t find the place where Jesus hates. I can’t find that where he is not embracing people. I can’t find the place where he says, ‘You’ll know a tree by the fruit.’ I just can’t find that anywhere.”

While Liberty has stood by its decision to invite Glenn to speak, telling Religious News Service “convocation is an opportunity for students to hear from people of all faiths and from all walks of life,” that has not quieted the naysayers.

“Liberty University asked me to speak, and every time they do, they get hammered… Most Christians are not like this at all. But there’s this group of people that have a problem with David Barton and me and everyone else. I really don’t care. I really don’t care,” Glenn said. “But when you take on an organization like Liberty University, I think you really should really think things through.”

Glenn has stated on several occasions that he would send his children to Liberty without hesitation because of the education it offers.

“Liberty University is one of the greatest universities in the world… It is in fact one of only two universities I would consider sending my children to because I know they will get a deep understanding of God,” Glenn said. “Now, how could Glenn Beck say he would send his child to Liberty University? He’s a Mormon. You know what… because I don’t think my children are morons. Do you think your children are morons?”

Recent news stories certainly suggest we are living in a society that is less and less tolerant of opposing points of view, and Glenn believes this outcry is just the latest iteration of intolerance.

“I want to make it really, really super clear,” Glenn said. “There is no difference between the people who are currently trying to take down Liberty University because they’re not ‘Christian enough’ or me because I’m not ‘a Christian’ – there’s no difference between you and the people who are trying to run other people out of the square,” Glenn said. “We are turning into a land of monsters. We really are.”

“I look at every single lover of light and truth as my ally, my friend, my brother. I look at everyone who is my enemy as my brother. I don’t care what you say your belief is. I don’t care what your lifestyle is,” he continued. “I invite you to join me, join others of multiple faiths, never asking anyone to change their faith, but asking you to strengthen your faith, whatever it is – unless it’s saying kill people, burn their books, shut them up, torture them, imprison them, kill them. If that’s what your faith says, I want nothing to do with you. If your faith says: Learn about love, learn about goodness, learn about the power of faith, learn about the miracles of God, don’t trust in the arm of flesh but trust in the spirit, I’d love to meet you. And I’d love to be around you.”

Ultimately, Glenn explained that he is not afraid of Liberty University, and he is glad that Liberty has proven it is not afraid to expose its students to a diversity of viewpoints.

“Here’s a Mormon that isn’t afraid of Liberty University. I would never ask them to teach anything about my theology. That’s my job. That’s my children’s job. That’s our job as an individual, to seek out truth and to find it and then to live by it,” Glenn concluded. “I’m not afraid of any man telling my children anything. My children have a good enough head on their shoulders, and they have a strong enough support group to straighten them out if they happen to go awry. And even though my kids at times have gone awry, if I have done my job as a parent, they will find their way back. I don’t look for boogiemen everywhere.”

Watch Glenn’s speech below:

  • Anonymous

    No one is asking you to change your faith, Glenn. We just want your faith to stop saying and telling us gays and lesbians are demonic, horrible, unnatural… Jesus wouldn’t say that, and you know it. Besides, there’s plenty demonic to go around in the world, why the obsession with the LGBT community, why so bent on ranting hate about their personal love lives? Huh?

  • Anonymous

    I’m not sure exactly what all the to-do is about, but I don’t hate gay people; I don’t get the idea at all that Glenn hates gay people. I cannot speak to Glenn’s beliefs, but for me, I’ve known a few gay people and they were nice people. However, I cannot help but feel sorry and sad for them; I cannot see how on God’s green earth they can feel that such a life choice can be fulfilling. All I see is shame, embarrassment, and confusion, often masked with either bravado or passive denial. I pray for them, that they will see Truth and seek God’s forgiveness. Love the sinner; hate the sin.

    As for the Mormon faith, I am not a Mormon, but I can truly say that, not some, but many of my best friends are Mormons. I don’t try to convert them, nor they me. We respect each others’ spiritual commitments. We have great times together. Some of us are not just friends, but business associates as well. They are hard-working, honest, loving, joyful people of impeccable character and integrity. People whose guidance I would urge my kids to follow, whether at a convocation ceremony, or any other gathering.

  • landofaahs

    You can love people without loving everything they do. If your child is having a nasty temper tantrum, then you certainly do not love the behavior but you still love them and want them to do right.

  • landofaahs

    Jesus would and did call sexual sin, sin. Gays were not born that way, they chose what turns them on or off and even if they did not you should refrain from behavior which God/Jesus called sinful. Otherwise you call God a liar. Don’t add more sin to your list.

  • landofaahs

    Since my other post is on hold I will just say again that Jesus and Satan are not brothers. Jesus even told the unbelieving Jews that their father was Satan not the Heavenly Father. The Bible is very clear about so many things and how people can extrapolate all manner of heresy from them is beyond me.

  • Anonymous

    Beck’s gone off the rails again preaching about love and telling us how great his kids are. I don’t know how that relates to the Christian right’s criticism of having Beck speak at Liberty U. I think he’s lost it. Why does Beck say he isn’t afraid of LU? His problem should be with critics of LU. Many people don’t think Beck’s religion is Christian because Joe Smith taught the Trinity is not one. I wonder why Glenn doesn’t think the Trinity is one. I couldn’t care less if the Christian right doesn’t like Beck, but I think Beck cares because he’s loosing them plus conservatives don’t trust him anymore.

  • Anonymous

    Your interpretation of God. Your opinion about the nature of homosexuality. Pure wishful thinking. Pure unreflective demonization of a people whose only fault is they love differently than you.

  • landofaahs

    My comments about Glenn’s belief system seem a little touchy to the folks reviewing the posts. It seems there are certain triggers that demand scrutiny.

  • landofaahs

    It’s not my interpretation. Scripture interprets scripture. You just can’t deal with it, but I care not. I do not give weight to the words of drunks, liars and homos.

  • Anonymous

    Scripture cannot interpret scripture, because scripture is text, no interpreter. It’s very convenient to believe so when you don’t have a way to argue in favor of your truth: you say: “this truth says no one will make it not true, therefore it is true”…. well, if this is your argument, this is the answer: “so says you”, not God. God speaks directly to people’s souls, He doesn’t need for you guys to administrate His Truth. Thanks anyways.

  • Jimbo913

    Personally, I don’t believe in any man-made religions, including the two discussed here. But as an outside observer I can say that Mormonism shares about as much in common with Christianity as Scientology does with Science.

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  • Anonymous

    The biggest enemy of the church is itself. If Christians treated each other like family and focused more on what they have in common than what they don’t, this world would be a far better place.

  • Anonymous

    Neither will we marry or procreate in Heaven according to Jesus. But, the Mormans say they will,

  • landofaahs

    Our church gets along with other Christians. We work with Catholics in donating to the local food bank they have. The pastors Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Methodist, UCC and Community churches meet regularly to discuss different ways to reach out to the community. Just because we may worship differently and separate does not mean we don’t get along. But a congregation should be in unity with what they believe or else you get dissentions which cause all manner of problems.

  • landofaahs

    They don’t love, they lust. But believe what you want because the eternal consequences fall on you, not me.

  • Anonymous

    It’s disheartening to know that you and people like you are brainwashed into believing such utter nonsense about gays. Homosexuality is NOT a choice, it is found throughout nature. If you believe in God, you’d have to ask yourself why he made homosexuality a natural condition just to turn around and call it a sin. God would either have to be playing a cruel joke or you’re not understanding something correctly.

  • Anonymous

    You know this how? From looking at a distance? From your interpretation of the Bible? From your reluctance to know the lives of these “sinful” people? Sure, old dude, your opinion is rock solid empirical… I’m sure you also can see the auras of people, and sense when they are not liars, drunks and homos…. LOL, self-deluded people are funny.

  • landofaahs

    This is also true.

  • landofaahs

    Murder is found in nature also. Species fight each other over territory. So that is not a very intelligent statement, it’s like saying well animals do it so it must be okay. God did not create sin, he created being and they committed sin. Sin is our natural condition now but when we are united with Christ in heaven, all these things will be separated from us because we will have no more temptations from the evil one to lead us astray. But each of us will be held accountable for our actions and our beliefs. We all must do our own believing and our own dying.

  • landofaahs

    I don’t think your funny.

  • Cal Baize

    Dear Glen, Thank you for having the internal fortitude to stand up for justice and faith. For having the guts to have prayers at work and display your faith in the work place. I have a business and have often wanted to bring my faith into the work place and you have stood as an example to me. Someday, may I have the strength to stand and display my testimony to all I encounter. You are making a difference in the hearts of men. Thanks again for setting the example to all.

  • Anonymous

    That’s because you are.

  • landofaahs

    I’ll accept funny. Just not odd or queer.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, and who cares?

  • landofaahs

    Scripture is God’s word. God’s word interprets God’s word in that it does not contradict itself and if something does seem to be contradictory, we must look at what is known and clear in scripture and meditate and pray on it. Sometimes we are not given the answers to all our questions. God gives us everything we need to know but not everything we want to know. But we will know some day. Now we see in a mirror darkly but then we shall see clearly. but some things are clear now.

  • Anonymous

    Yup, that is another way of putting it. “Sometimes we are not given the answers to all our questions. God gives us everything we need to know but not everything we want to know. But we will know some day”. Indeed we will. If it seems contradictory, the answer is up for grabs. I, myself, think the answer is in the side of love, and not self-righteous judgment over other peoples’ lives, specially when they have things in common with yours: love, and yes, lust. Heterosexuals are just as lustful as homosexuals. And that is not up for debate.

  • Anonymous

    I always appreciate other Christians telling me what I believe in, especially when they exercise hatred and call it “love”. These are the same people who stayed home and threw the 2012 election to Barack Obama because they considered voting for a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints worse than a man who has openly declared war on all that they consider good.

    Perhaps if those who call themselves “Christian” who hold these views would actually try to act as if they were Christians, we wouldn’t be where we are right now. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, they can’t feel good about their own religion without demeaning that of others. And, of course, in line with their hypocrisy, they claim that this is what God told them to do after considering what Jesus would do.

  • Anonymous

    Morality exists only to self-aware creatures, which on earth only includes humans. For non-humans, killing is perfectly natural and there is no moral question to the behavior. Humans create behavioral rules out of self interest. Those rules include not killing, not stealing and others that prevent harm to people. Homosexuality harms no one. Some of us have evolved to believe that equality and freedom are core principals. Nobody should be excluded, including gays.

  • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

    I wonder why a liberal atheist even cares.

  • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

    I hate to point this out I guess Jesus’ own hand picked followers did not get the liberal memo that Jesus was for Homosexuality. Tell me why would Jesus pick people to follow him when they were against Homosexuality and he was all for it? Logic is not your strong suit is it. Now under Constitutional law you can make a very good argument that the Gay marriage ban is unconstitutional but to claim Jesus would be for it is just another example how liberals carry pick things out of the bible to justify themselves.

  • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

    I disagree with Mormonism and do not think it is Christianity but you have the right to speak just like everyone else in this country has the right.

  • EgbertThrockmorton1

    I would think that those who allegedly espouse the doctrines of love equality in the LGBT community, would also want to espouse the Constitutional rights to believe what we believe in our religious faiths, without being demonized so vociferously BY the loudmouths(self-righteous pious) within that community.
    Equality works ONLY when it is practiced universally, not in the conditional manner in which it is being practiced on this board at present. One cannot have it both ways, nor as a matter of convenience; at that point of “convenience” the espousing of “tolerance” becomes shrill hypocrisy.(regardless of WHO utters it)

  • EgbertThrockmorton1

    The Progs conveniently USE the Bible and all religion when and only when it serves THEIR purposes and utterances. When it does not, the Bible is the first book they try to throw on the bonfire of debate. That says it all about their “beliefs” and “tolerance” towards others.

  • Anonymous

    It’s interesting how confused people are by religion.

  • Anonymous

    Glenn, I am a Christian, and I don’t hate you one single bit. You are an honorable man. I do not understand why you are upset at being criticized for speaking at Liberty University. There are many differences between what Mormons believe and what mainline Christians believe. There are huge doctrinal differences about who Jesus is. It isn’t hateful to point that out. Remember, you say truth doesn’t have an agenda.
    Personally, I think it was wrong for you to weave in Mormon doctrine at a Christian university, but I didn’t get to make that decision. I don’t hate you for it though.
    This article isn’t mean spirited but explains why some are upset. Peace to you, Glenn.
    http://jonathanmerritt.religionnews.com/2014/04/30/glenn-beck-shares-mormon-teachings-liberty-university/

  • Big H

    Why does every discussion all ways end up talking about gays. Why do they get to hijack every discussion.
    Glenns right to declare his faith and his belief is paramount, if he believes that Jesus Christ is the son of God as taught in the New Testament it seems clear to me.
    I believe it was the Nicean Decree in 321 that men decided to make a definition that the God head was one not three. If you want to believe this Catholic doctrine so be it.
    Mormons or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints teaching are based on Jesus Christ and his teaching, its seems simple.

  • Anonymous

    Key difference: we are no trying to pass legislation to prevent Christians from marrying each other… unlike you guys, we are honest when we say government shouldn’t mess with people’s private lives.

  • Anonymous

    What on Earth are you talking about? Google “anachronistic historical interpretation” to see where you went wrong in your Logic.

  • cliff

    People are saying the strangest things. Mormonism definitely could be called “Christian” depending on how you define “Christian”. They share the protestant version of the Bible with Christians and they actually read it. On the other hand, they read it with the caveat “as far as it is properly translated”, so they don’t share that with those that say it is the inerrant word of God.

    With the exception of Harry Reid, how many Mormons have you known that were terrible people? Compare that with how many Catholics or Baptists you’ve known. In my experience, there are more Mormons who will show up first at a national disaster or even a personal disaster than most main stream Christians. How many Christians do you know who tithe or who will give to someone down on their luck? Sure, there are issues with Mormons, but are they generous? Yes. Are they usually kind? Yes.

    Don’t get me wrong, I profoundly disagree with Glenn Beck’s theology, and I wonder how he ever considered converting, but that’s between him and God. One of us or maybe both of us are profoundly wrong in our beliefs, but I believe we will not judged by our theology so much as by what we do. We will be judged on our actions and how we have loved those God has placed in our path.

    I disagree with Glenn in his use of the word “hate” to describe people who are worried about what he says. if Glenn Beck has actually read the whole Bible several times, he’ll be confronted with numerous incidents in which God tries to preserve the purity of the faith by wiping out whole peoples and banishing folks, etc. People always went off the rails anyway, but God brought them back.

    Glenn’s tolerance of beliefs that are completely different from his shows that he doesn’t consider those beliefs to be critical to salvation. This tolerance of “error” is a relatively new idea in Christianity, as missionaries have been sent world wide to spread the Gospel for 2000 years. Historically, purity of the faith has been a driver of things like the Spanish Inquisition, the real purpose of which was to preserve the faith but, like the witch burnings went off the rails. However, their purpose was never to hate, but to preserve the faith and protect the faithful. Glenn Beck doesn’t believe in that, but he should not be so quick to judge them and call them haters either. Tolerance of error might be a real big problem, but we’re still called to love those we consider to be in error.

  • Anonymous

    What a farce plant you are. Glenn does not hate gays. You know nothing of Glenn Beck.

  • Anonymous

    You are the bigot in the room here. “People like you” . When people try to separate people into groups, they are the bigots.

  • Anonymous

    He believes that Jesus Christ is the son of God. That is what a christian is.

  • Anonymous

    People who believe homosexuals chose their sexual orientation are an ignorant group.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Why no quotes from Beck making such pronouncements?

  • Anonymous

    Not terribly observant, are you? Jesus Christ being the Son of God and Savior and Redeemer is a pretty big commonality.

  • Anonymous

    I agree, but obviously many don’t.

  • Anonymous

    No, he just doesn’t want them to enjoy the same right as everyone else: to marry who you love.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, no “such” pronouncements. Yet, he and his two brilliant friends do tend to be sympathetic towards those who make such pronouncements. And, against all libertarian principle, he seems very reluctant in supporting taking government out of our private lives. Instead, he supports those who would limit the liberties of others in the name of his interpretation of The Constitution on freedom of belief. And as he takes The Constitution as being Bible-inspired, it seems he can’t avoid the contradiction “liberty v. moral control”. That’s the part that doesn’t bother me about Beck. The problem is that his interpretation of religion and God necessarily makes him dishonest about his Libertarianism, making exceptions to be justly against gay-marriage.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Like they were sympathetic to Eric the Gay Conservative from Massachusetts? Why struggling with evidence to prove your empty assertions?

  • Anonymous

    Libertarianism doesn’t mean a society which is free-for-all, anything goes.

  • Jimbo913

    Apparently more observant than you. Completely different back stories if you will. Same characters, similar role, but fundamentally different.

  • Anonymous

    Agreed… your point?

  • Todd A Scheller

    Can you try to explain this with a little less ignorance? Same Characters with similar roles, means it is plagiarized, and gets to the same meaning in the end.

  • Todd A Scheller

    What in the world does libertarian principles have to do with the price of tea in China?

  • Anonymous

    What does Libertarian principles have to do with Christian principles, is rather the question.

  • Anonymous

    He’s defending the University for standing up against a mob. He’s defended Bill Maher time and again, as having the freedom to say what he wants. Glenn defends anyone who’s being TRULY bullied. What’s wrong with a man gushing about his children? Seriously, what is wrong with you that you find a man’s love for his own children to be “off the rails?” Do you have any concept of love or respect for your fellow man? If you do then I’m sure you’ll reply to me and show me that you do…or you’ll just continue to hate Glenn, basically just for being himself. You’re kind of a loser with no life.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Only if there is an idiot asking the question.
    Do you know the law? Then why are Federal Judges not making opinions that he federal laws that define marriage as between a man an a woman unconstitutional? Hint: there is more than one.
    If they are constitutional, then states also have a right to define marriage in the same way.

  • Anonymous

    “And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the
    tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.” Revelation 22:19.
    The Mormons completely disregarded this statement by contriving the Book of Mormon. Jimbo didn’t feel like digging this little bit of knowledge up, but his posts are completely absent of ignorance and full of the truth.

  • Anonymous

    Apparently you didn’t get my point. I wasn’t talking about any relation between Libertarianism and Christianity, but about their incompatibility when they are put at the same level as ideologies for governing a country. Libertarianism must allow freedom of religion and belief. This is not usually a Christian principle, thought some common-sense Christians might hold it.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Apparently, you are ineffective in making valid points.
    So let me get this right, you take issue with Beck having a problem with Gay marrying (which you have yet to prove). But you have no issue is trying to claim that Christianity and Libertarianism are not compatible? Are you seeing the hypocrisy here?
    Then you go on to REFUTE your own claim with your comment about Libertarianism must allow freedom of religion. Please contradict yourself some more.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not that he’s proud of his kids that I find off the rails. It’s that his great kids have nothing to do with the topic of some Christian’s dispute with Glenn’s religion and the University. See, the rails would be the topic of discussion.

  • Anonymous

    You again confuse what I say. They are incompatible if they are put at the same level as political principles. Christianity wouldn’t allow me, if I want to be called a Christian in a certain Church, to believe God’s body is not Christ’s, but the fusion of the tip of my nose, the chew toy of an Hindu dog and a brick on your wall, would it? Libertarianism, if my belief is genuine, would allow me to have a religion and churches dedicated to such ridiculous body of God. You get my point now?

  • Todd A Scheller

    You again confuse WRITING with spoken word. How again are they incompatible? Was not Freedom of Religion included in the Constitution, that was written by mainly those of Christian faiths?
    How is your belief any less genuine than mine?

  • Anonymous

    Before the council of Nicea, it was already decided that the Holy Trinity did in fact exist. During Jesus’ baptism, the Son was present, and the Spirit descended with the musing of the Father’s voice saying “this is my Son whom I love.” All three were present and testified themselves as the 3 aspects of the 1 Godhead. Anyone who took the Gospel for the TRUTH that it was, realized this long before Nicea.

  • Anonymous

    Libertarianism: an ideology for governing a people.
    Christianity: a religion with an ideology based on the one essential belief Christ is the Son of God, the one true God.
    Libertarianism: allows for freedom of religion; the intuition behind our founding fathers in our Constitution.
    Christianity: allows for freedoms within a religious and thus moral ideology.
    Therefore, Christians must come to compromises if they want to be truly Libertarian and Christian, necessarily drawing the difference between one and the other, so the Christian ideology does not cut the liberties allowed in a Libertarian system.

  • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

    You mean you by the B.S. that the New Testament has been rewritten despite the archaeological evidence that says otherwise. I mean really if you are going to go down B.S. road please do research in the subject before you believe the propaganda put out by liberal atheist with agendas.

  • Anonymous

    I think you’re gay. If you’re really passionate about this discussion, then just come out! No shame…

  • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

    Interesting how a liberal atheist is sticking the noses up people rears who believe in a God.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not gay, I just stand for freedom and equality.

  • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

    Unless someone disagrees with you than it off with their heads chant coming from your mouths.

  • Anonymous

    Homosexuality and Christianity cannot co-exist. Your beef is purely with the Bible. There are numerous verses about homosexuality in the Bible, and they all say that it’s wrong. There are also not any verses anywhere condemning the PERSON. If you want to explore a religion that is hateful of gays, you’re thinking of Islam. If you don’t realize that Christians love the person but NOT the behavior, then you have no concept of what a true Christian is and you have no concept of what the Bible says with regard to its overall context. My guess is that you are going to quote the Bible (a book that you don’t even believe in) with verses taken completely out of context to support your thesis. It won’t work, I’m a Christian, not an idiot.

  • Anonymous

    “Beck’s gone off the rails again preaching about love and telling us how great his kids are.” Admit that you criticized the man for talking well about his kids. These are your words right here. How can you pretend to have an intelligent conversation when you’re in pure denial? Admit to your lie and we can talk about grown up stuff then.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Wow, you really are not very smart are you? So far your OPINIONS on what things mean are not even grounded in REALITY.
    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..” Pretty Libertarian there, written by James Madison, an EPISCOPALIAN CHRISTIAN.
    Lie to me some more about how they are incompatable please.

  • Anonymous

    You truly don’t read my comments, do you? You just agreed with me.

  • Anonymous

    Come on now, ashamed to admit it? It’s okay, I would be too.

  • Todd A Scheller

    You truly don’t read my comments. Madison WROTE a LIBERTARIAN Amendment to the Constitution, and he was a CHRISTIAN. Proving they are in fact COMPATIBLE. Can you please try and prove how UTTERLY stupid you really are?

    I am arguing against your thesis. and you are too mentally deranged to get it.

    Let me spell it out for you, I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOUR IGNORANT CLAIMS.

  • Anonymous

    You would be ashamed of being gay? You are part of the problem.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve told you the conditions in which they are incompatible, but you refer to a condition in which they are. You said it yourself. He wrote a Libertarian law, not a Christian law. No matter how much it bothers you, you are not saying the opposite of what I am saying.

  • Anonymous

    Completely ashamed. Part of what problem? The perpetual spreading of heterosexual propaganda?

  • Anonymous

    Right, Beck went of the rails, i.e. off topic. Exactly.

  • Anonymous

    Your comment is profane for a “Christian”. Anyone can observe the difference between two religions. It’s a simple matter of education.

  • Anonymous

    Okay, so now we can have an adult conversation. So how do you feel about the religious right’s actions? Should Liberty University be criticized for exercising their right to let whoever wants to speak do so? Or is it only okay if it’s people like Glenn (you know, people you hate).?

  • Anonymous

    The people that attend LU are generally Christian right. There’s been a long standing view by a portion of those people that people who don’t believe in the Trinity aren’t really Christian. This group has the right to voice their opinion, but they don’t represent all Christians. The University can hire whomever they want to speak knowing there may be criticism for selecting someone controversial. I went to parochial grammar and high school and now have no interest in religious based education, so I couldn’t care less who LU hires.

  • Anonymous

    You said in your initial post, that Glenn should be mad at the right-wing lobbyists…after he stated very clearly that those are the EXACT people he’s upset with. His indignation is irrelevant. He stands up for Liberty University AND the right of the lobbyists to express themselves. I’m not bothering you here because I want you to agree with me. I just want you to be honest about your hatred of good people like Glenn. I know from all of your posts that I read that you would stand with ANYbody who would try to censure and misrepresent Christianity. I grew up in public school and I wish I’d had the money for parochial school. I’d have felt privileged to have a truth based education. I’ve found that most people who went to parochial school and hated it…really didn’t learn much from it. Your lack of biblical knowledge is astounding.

  • Jimbo913

    Wow, you sound really defensive about it. Listen, I don’t have a dog in the fight. Admittedly, I am more familiar with the Christian brand, but from what I have learned about Mormonism in the past several years has lead me to believe they are different enough that they can’t be considered the same. These aren’t Lutheran vs Baptist vs Catholic level differences, there are fundamental differences in the nature of God and origin of Jesus. I think once you get an addendum to the bible, you kind of stand alone.

  • Anonymous

    God spoke directly to all of humanity with his Word. He tried to be as clear as possible, but alas, there are many who are simply not smart enough to grasp it…

  • Anonymous

    I would say that homosexuals are WAY more lustful than heterosexuals. The vast majority of them used to be heterosexual and got sick of that half of the world, then decided to bang the other half. Promiscuity among homosexuals is WAY more rampant than it is with heterosexuals.

  • Anonymous

    What did I say that makes you think I want to censure or misrepresent Christianity?

  • Anonymous

    You got me, I don’t have a direct quote. How do you feel about the following things?
    Should there be nativity scenes in public squares? Should prayer be allowed in schools? Should religious photographers be allowed to not photograph gay weddings? Should Conservatives have to help fund Planned Parenthood against their taxed will? Should people be fired from a computer company for donating $1,000 to a politician? Should two men be denied the right to have a TV show based solely on the fact that they feel a certain way? Should Conservatives be scrutinized in an unlawful manner by the IRS? Did you vote for Obama? Who DO you stand for?

  • Todd A Scheller

    I refereed to a specific condition where a CHRISTIAN wrote a LIBERTARIAN limitation on the government. CHRISTIANS did not write CHRISTIAN LAW, GOD did, they were given to MOSES as the Ten Commandments.
    You ignorance of this is your problem not mine, it in no way changes that a person can be both Libertarian and Christian. Just like Eric from Massachusetts could be both Conservative and gay. One does not exclude the other. Your lack of intelligence keeps you from seeing this.

  • Anonymous

    The comment isn’t profane to you though is it? That’s because you have no standards of conduct present in your being.

  • Todd A Scheller

    How is it profane to anyone?

  • Todd A Scheller

    Wow, I did not make any sound what so ever.
    Are you familiar with the fact that Mormons are a branch of Christianity?
    Can Lutheran, Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, or any other branch of Christianity be considered the same? No, if they could they would not have different names.
    So Catholics do not have addendums to the Bible? Think really hard before answering that.

  • Todd A Scheller

    The problem is the $1000 was not donated to a politician, but to a campaign against a REFERENDUM.

  • Anonymous

    STILL not a reason to fire him. At least not a good one. The bottom line is, the man had a stance, and minded his own business and pocketbook while doing so. His employers were incapable of respecting his private life, and were incapable of minding their own business. Thereby they fired him.

  • Anonymous

    You can rely on semantics all you want. Mormonism added a Testament. The Catholic Church added the 7 books of the Apocrypha. Every human being that has ever lived has made an error at some point and is undeserving of redemption or grace. Anyone who fails to acknowledge that fact is as unbelieving as a Mormon who relies on the false teachings of Joseph Smith.

  • Anonymous

    Mormons also believe that Jesus roamed the American continent…never happened. Jesus Christ, the Son of God, requires you to believe the truth in order to enter his kingdom. Those who enter his kingdom are known as “Christians.”

  • Anonymous

    These are obviously debatable issues, but here goes. Nativity scenes are fine with me, especially on private property. I don’t agree with forcing kids to say prayers in public schools that are incongruous with their own religion or lack there of . I’m not sure why any gay person would want an anti-gay photographer in the first place, but it’s wrong for a restaurant owner to not serve a black person. Why would it be right to not serve a gay person? There’s no practical way to give a tax break to those that don’t want to fund planned parenthood. People should be free to donate to political causes. But if an employee causes a business conflict with their employer, the employer has the right to terminate the employee to prevent damage to its business. What’s the TV issue? Is a private company choosing to not air views it thinks will be controversial. If so, then the TV company has the right to not air them, just like Fox pushed Beck out. Conservatives should not be scrutinized unlawfully by the IRS. Nobody thinks they should, not even liberals. I did not want any of the candidates in the last two elections. I chose Obama over McCain/Palin because McCain sounded wacky and I think Palin’s a national embarrassment. I was indifferent between Romney and Obama because I don’t think Romney would have done much different than Obama. I was turned off by Romney faking his conservatism and his campaign was weakened by his lack of insight to his potential voters. Obama had a clearly better campaign. Romney had a stupid habit of insulting the very people he needed to get elected. Again, our presidential choices have been embarrassing for over a decade.

  • Anonymous

    All of the direct quotes I needed, are right there in your post. Pass yourself off as a moderate with your semantic BS all you want. You’re a bigot and you use moral relativism as your shield. You’ve got no respect for Glenn Beck or conservatism and you’re not even honest enough to admit it. Peace.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t care how you label me. If you have a point to make about an issue, make it. Otherwise, trying to corner me into what you want to think about me has more to do with you than me. Your tact is childish.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not attempting to be tactful. I’m trying to be hostile, AND childish. I don’t want you here. I don’t understand why a person who hates Glenn Beck would keep posting at the volume that you do. Has more to do with you than Glenn Beck.

  • Anonymous

    Christians are those who have repented of their sins and asked Jesus Christ to enter their heart as their Lord and Saviour. They believe the 1611 KJV is the inerrant, error free, inspired, Word of God. They believe that he was born of a virgin, lived approximately 33 years, performed miracles, was crucified and arose on the third day ascending to heaven to prepare a place for His believers to live. He is coming back and when He does He will rule forever and those who rejected Him will cry out for the rocks and mountains to kill them. From what Glen has stated he believes Jesus is the Son of God but has not accepted Jesus as his Saviour. If he hasn’t, I pity him. And his family.

  • Anonymous
  • landofaahs

    Adultery is a sin as is homosexuality. That is true. By the way I don’t judge you but I do judge behavior. God judges people but he does give the standard by which he judges and homosexuality is repeatedly condemned by God in the Bible. That is clear and unambiguous.

  • landofaahs

    It’s why sexual transmitted diseases are increasing in the gay community.

  • landofaahs

    I can see the results of sin. Sexually transmitted diseases for one.

  • landofaahs

    There is none so blind as he that will not see. God could send AIDS to send a message and they would not listen. Oops…I guess he did that already.

  • landofaahs

    Or who I sell a cake to or don’t.

  • landofaahs

    God will deal with them and he will do a more final job of it than we can.

  • landofaahs

    So how can you say human behavior and animal behavior are different if there is no God? I thought atheists believed we evolved from one form to another. If that is true why would they be treated differently and who set the standard that we should follow, God or man? If man, then 51% could say it’s moral to kill homo’s and liberals and commies.

  • landofaahs

    Perhaps something went wrong with them in the womb. If they ever find a gay gene then I guess amniocentesis could be used by the mother to determine if she wants them aborted.

  • Evolution_It’s a Theory

    Glenn, good for you and the university. Most will never understand, in this life, what you are actually trying to do….Glenn, you as well know this and I am sure I don’t have to tell it to you, but let Christ be your judge, don’t worry about what man may do/say.

    I have been a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints my entire life. I know what my Savior has commanded of me in that I love my Father in Heaven “with all thy heart, with all thy soul, with all thy strength, with all thy mind, and to love thy neighbor as thyself.” I could care less about what man may call me. The authority to declare whether I am “Christian” lies with Him who knows my heart.

  • Coffee Fiend

    When we develop or discover new skills that improve our own lot, we gain the ability to make a better contribution to our friends and fellows.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Not disagreeing with your premise.

  • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

    But yet you liberals take the bible out of context and claim he is a Socialist Democrat liberal who loves sin. I am sorry but your education on the Bible is flawed even tho I do not believe Mormonism is not Christianity myself no one should listen to a liberal when it comes to the bible.

  • Todd A Scheller

    The Morons did not TAKE WORDS AWAY from the scroll, they added words to it. You misinterpret the meaning of that Scripture.

    So the Catholics adding 7 books is okay, but the Mormons adding one book damns them to hell??? Do Catholics not also have the Catechisms (12 to be exact)? How about the Baptist Catechism? Lutheran Catechism? Genevan Catechism? Heidelberg Catechism? Westminster Catechisms? Anglican Catechism? Racovian Catechism? What you mean OTHER Christian religions ADDED words other than those in the Bible?

  • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

    I always wonder about where AIDS even came from. It just appeared back in the 70s and God did do things like that before. I wonder how he would twist that as well. I am thankful he is not using flaming rocks on us like he did with two other cities.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Already posted this above but it bears repeating:

    So the Catholics adding 7 books is okay, but the Mormons adding one book damns them to hell??? Do Catholics not also have the Catechisms (12 to be exact)? How about the Baptist Catechism? Lutheran Catechism? Genevan Catechism? Heidelberg Catechism? Westminster Catechisms? Anglican Catechism? Racovian Catechism? What? You mean OTHER Christian religions ADDED words other than those in the Bible?

  • Anonymous

    I’ll debate an issue with you, but since your aim is to silence me, I’ll move on from responding to you.

  • Anonymous

    The difference is that morals are created by self-aware beings. Animals are not self-aware and therefor killing has no moral meaning. Humans are the first species on earth to become self-aware. They created morals for their own self interest and preservation. Humans recognized that love helps society prosper and makes them feel good. They’re also aware that they don’t want to be harmed. Yes, man could say it’s moral to kill gay people and as a matter of fact, Islamists under Sharia law do that. We decided during war that it was OK to kill commies, and lots of them. We thought it was moral to enslave black people too. Then we thought segregation was moral. Unfortunately, there are still some that think gay people should be treated unequally. But that’s changing quickly at the federal level and state by state. I believe our country, while sometimes slow to change, is moving in the right direction regarding human rights.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Which you just violated by responding to him????

  • Todd A Scheller

    “Humans recognized that love helps society prosper and makes them feel good.”

    How does it do so? Via Procreation maybe? How does putting tab a in tab a or slot b in slot b get us procreation?

  • Anonymous

    I informed him.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know why homosexuality occurs in nature, but it does. It does nothing for procreation. If society was to shame homosexuals into heterosexual relationships, then it’s possible to have an unnatural increase of homosexual offspring.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t make a judgment on Mormonism. I stated that some Christians think that if you don’t believe in the Trinity, you’re not a Christian.

  • Anonymous

    Scientists have found genes on the X chromosome that indicate sexual preference is in the DNA. I wonder if our behaviors in general are largely programmed in our DNA

  • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

    Well that is a big part of Christianity. Even tho I could care less what faith you are as long as you are not killing anyone.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Can you provide which Christians do not believe in the Trinity?

  • Todd A Scheller

    “Genes examined in study are not sufficient or necessary to make men gay but do play some role in sexuality, say US researchers”

    Wow, you read real well.

    http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/feb/14/genes-influence-male-sexual-orientation-study

  • Anonymous

    Are you assuming there is one article written on the subject?

  • Anonymous

    Mormons don’t believe in the Trinity in the traditional sense, i.e. the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are one. This difference is one that some believe disqualifies Mormons from Christianity.

  • Todd A Scheller
  • Todd A Scheller

    What then is the “Godhead” in Mormonism? You really are not that smart.

    Do Mormons believe in the Trinity?

    Mormons most commonly use the term “Godhead” to refer to the Trinity. The first article of faith for the Latter-day Saints reads: “We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.” Latter-day Saints believe God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are one in will and purpose but are not literally the same being or substance, as conceptions of the Holy Trinity commonly imply.

    http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/mormonism-101#C5

  • Anonymous

    If insults are your way of communicating, I’m not interested. If you want to have a discussion about a subject, let me know.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, this is exactly what I stated earlier, i.e. Mormons do not believe the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are the same being. I think you’re getting it.

  • Todd A Scheller

    If you are interested in proving it not to be an insult but rather fact, you succeeded.

  • Anonymous

    No comparison between a gay person and a black person not being served. You can’t decide to be another race tomorrow or even an hour from now.

  • Todd A Scheller

    What part are you not getting? Did you pass first grade reading?

    “We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.” Article of Faith 1

  • Todd A Scheller

    Do you know what the Scutum Fidei is? The English translation for that is the Shield of the Trinity.
    How are Mormons different in this Christian Concept?

  • Anonymous

    A homosexual can’t decide to be heterosexual either.

  • Anonymous

    Anne Heche and Don Ennis would disagree with you..

  • Anonymous

    n.

  • Anonymous

    I guess you don’t know any gay people. If you do, ask them if they could be heterosexual. I’m certain they would laugh at the absurdity of the question .

  • Anonymous

    I guess the objection to calling Mormonism Christianity is in the “Is Not” part. But don’t bother convincing me because I don’t care whether Mormons are Christians. I guess they are. The problem with religion is it often doesn’t make sense. You can say study harder, but after being steeped in Catholicism until age 16, I decided there are good lessons to learn, but there’s much contradiction that confuses people. To me, it’s not worth trying to make sense of it. I’d rather study physics.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Don’t let facts get in the way of your lies there.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Anne Heche was Ellen DeGeneres’ girlfriend from 1997 to 2000, married Coleman “Coley” Laffoon, had a son with him and left him to move in with James Tupper, and had a son with him.
    Don Ennis was married for seventeen years, had three children, decided to leave his wife to become Dawn Stacey Ennis, and then decided not too.
    There are two examples that prove his point, would you like more?

  • Anonymous

    What lie?

  • Anonymous

    Ever heard of bisexuals?

  • Todd A Scheller

    Ever heard that you are a fool? There is no insult there, you keep proving it to be true with your comments that lack anything of an intellectual bent.

    Ennis was TRANSGENDER, not Gay to begin with.

    Bisexuals for the uninformed like yourself, do not generally start with one gender and then switch to the other EXCLUSIVELY. They tend to swing back and forth often and not be monogamous.

  • Todd A Scheller

    The one you keep trying to spread about Mormons not being Christian. Or have you not been reading your own comments?
    Do you seriously think now that me calling you an idiot was an insult? You just proved it true, AGAIN! Keep trying though, some moron might come along and think you are smart. Heck Even Victor Scott Tiffany might find this thread and think you are a genius.

  • Anonymous

    The point of this thread is that some Christians take issue with Beck speaking at Liberty University because THEY hold the belief that Mormons are not Christian. The issue has no impact on my life whatsoever. You obviously take great offense to these people, so I suggest you address them. Objecting to me will do you no good.

  • Anonymous

    Who cares. The gay people I know would find the idea that they could be any different totally absurd.

  • Bill Tilghman

    b.

  • Bill Tilghman

    He is indeed a fool, he’s Landree!

  • Bill Tilghman

    Spewing your left wing Beck hate here has the nonsense factor equivalent of going to a pro Obama site and going on and on about dislike of Obama. You leftist freaks are not only ineffectual but you reek of stupidity.

  • Bill Tilghman

    So you just learned the phrase “off the rails” and had to find some use for it. Of course making yourself look like an idiot in the process is a bonus.

  • Bill Tilghman

    The moronic hypocrisy of your criticism is lost on you only. The rest of us understand and can easily see how inane and stupid your posts are. The same goes for the author of said posts.

  • Bill Tilghman

    Apparently that is a lie, you are here criticizing who they hire. Hypocrisy, thy name is Landree!

  • Bill Tilghman

    Yet, Obama whose stated mission is to fundamentally wreck the American way of life appealed to you.

    You are a fool Landree, an utter fool.

    Fox did not push Beck, he left. This has even been supported by Roger Ailes in a very public announcement – one you ‘tards continually fail to mention or recognize.

    The more liberal spew I see with your name attached thereto, the more I cannot believe you actually believe in those things. No one of a sane and rational mind could come to those conclusions or form those opinions in view of the established facts.

    You are not only contrary to fact, but you defy rational explanation.

  • Bill Tilghman

    The chief absurdity is you. Hail to the chief.

  • Bill Tilghman

    Who cares? You do. You brought the gay thing into this.

  • Bill Tilghman

    Oh, you do care, that is why you have devoted so much time and effort here to mold other’s opinions of you and your ideology.

  • Bill Tilghman

    No you didn’t – you disinformed him, you misinformed him, you even just outright lied to him, but you never informed him.

    You even contradict your own contradictions. You are one messed up vortex of confused opinions. You need to spend some quality time with a mental health professional – about three decades ought to do it.

  • Bill Tilghman

    He is one of a few hard core Beck haters who show up here in a vain attempt at derailing this site and the people who post here. He is a fool, just as is Victor Tiffany – AKA Populist Democrat, (the self acclaimed Lincolnian Republican – what ever that is; {his own insane invention no doubt}).

  • Bill Tilghman

    Spoken by the least interesting man in the world!

  • Bill Tilghman

    No, it is clear that YOU ARE NOT GETTING IT! You can circle speak yourself into thinking you are correct, but that does not make you right. It makes you a fool for believing in your own contrarian bullhockey.

  • Bill Tilghman

    Start at the beginning of your posting career and continue until your final breath…

  • Bill Tilghman

    He is simply stubbornly stupid and will never get it.

  • Bill Tilghman

    He has none – he is winging it again and blaming Beck for it like always.

  • Bill Tilghman

    Your statements are ridiculous and incongruent with reality and religion alike. The things you posted in this comment are a confused vortex of disorganized and undisciplined mental dribblings. Of course we have come to expect that from you.

  • Bill Tilghman

    One can be moral and not religious. Your assumptions need to be qualified as your own and not attributed as statements of fact. The two ideas are not tied to one another as you indicate. They can be mutually exclusive but do not have to be.

  • Bill Tilghman

    Only in the realm of circular reasoning can you find agreement in his statement with yours. It figures.

  • Bill Tilghman

    You really are a hard headed dope, aren’t you? Your failed extrapolations do not equal agreement or fact.

  • Bill Tilghman

    They better not marry who I love – or we will have a problem.

  • Bill Tilghman

    Okay, that does it, I am officially coming out as a heterosexual! Right here, right now, the right way or the highway!

  • Bill Tilghman

    That is just plain magnum stupidity!

  • Bill Tilghman

    Your communications are largely insultingly idiotic. Happy now?

  • Bill Tilghman

    Yep, he’s gay.

  • Bill Tilghman

    You are gay. Methinks the manlady protests too much…

  • Bill Tilghman

    No, it is the wrong direction and more than 60 percent of the population agrees with that assessment.

  • Bill Tilghman

    This is the part where his postulate disintegrates…

  • Bill Tilghman

    No it does not. That is anthropomorphising animal behavior. A male dog that mounts another male is not a homosexual, it is a display of dominant behavior.

    This has been a documented fact for centuries.

  • Bill Tilghman

    Wrong again, rag rug.

  • Bill Tilghman

    So is that what is behind the loving acceptance of those who don’t espouse gay rights by the LGBT community? They demonize anyone who has the courage to oppose them. Not a very loving or accepting example of equality.

  • Bill Tilghman

    You assume things with no evidence. Jesus was not enamored of homosexuality. There is no scriptural basis for that claim.

    What Jesus and the Bible say is hate the sin but love the sinner. Nothing in there about Jesus loving homosexuality.

  • Bill Tilghman

    Actually the disease was prevalent in the green macaque of central Africa long before humans started showing signs of infection. Somewhere, someone did a monkey – and then went home to his wife or girlfriend and that is the true story of AIDS. A lot of venereal diseases originated in other species and then affected humans by similar means.

  • Bill Tilghman

    “self-deluded people are funny.”

    Precisely why you are the King of Comedy.

  • Bill Tilghman

    The text supports other parts of the text, thus it corroborates the testimony, hence it reinforces the interpretation.

  • Pat

    Glenn Beck said: “… I can’t find the place where he [Jesus] says, ‘You’ll know a tree by the fruit.’ I just can’t find that anywhere.”

    I hope this is a typo because Jesus clearly states that a tree is known by its
    fruit:

    Mt 12:33 “Either make the tree good, and its fruit good; or make the tree bad, and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit.”

    Lk 6:43-44 “For no good tree bears bad fruit, nor again does a bad tree bear good fruit; for each tree is known by its own fruit. …”

    I’m confused because this doesn’t square with his claim of having read the Bible several times. And seems inconsistent with what I think he’s trying to say. If he means what his words on the video and in the transcript actually say, then he is absolutely wrong. Sorry to have to say that.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Where did you take that point from this thread? They based it in the fact that they “FELT it was a sermon based on Mormon Theology,” yet Beck clear said in his speech he was asking them what they believe, not to accept what he believes.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Kind of like you find the idea of you being intelligent absurd?

  • Anonymous

    What do you think my ideology is?

  • Anonymous

    I was asked whether I think a business should serve a gay couple.

  • Anonymous

    Do you have a specific point to make about the topic of this thread?

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    You sound like an angry teenager.

  • Anonymous

    Bill, do you have comments associated with forum topics? The “Hey, you’re stupid” comments are cluttering the thread.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Do you? Do you have a RELEVANT TRUE topic to discuss about this thread?

  • Todd A Scheller

    Do you have any comments based in reality? All your lies are cluttering the thread.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Beck had already left Fox by then, so how is that relevant?

  • Todd A Scheller

    Are you trying hard to prove you lack intelligence?

  • Todd A Scheller

    You sort of prove that your ideology is lies and stupidity. Which are not road you should go down.

  • Anonymous

    Jehovah witnesses are worse Mormons are alot better at least they believe Jesus did die and rose again. Mormon just have alot different theology. then Christians do.

  • Anonymous

    Read the thread before this one and you’ll understand the relevance. It is relevant because Bill claimed Fox didn’t push him out when the reality is that advertisers left Fox because of Beck’s controversial statements. Fox admitted they told Beck it’s was time to go.

  • Anonymous

    My statements are based in reality.

  • Anonymous

    Now you sound like an angry grammar-school kid.

  • Anonymous

    What exactly is the ideology that you think is a lie?

  • Todd A Scheller

    You admitted in this very thread that you lied about Mormons being Christians. Do I need to provide you with the proof again?

  • Todd A Scheller

    Written words make sound? You write like a second grader, and you want people buy your bunk? Really?

  • Todd A Scheller

    Other than proving you are an idiot, what relevance does it have to THIS THREAD?
    Beck was sued for defamation of Character, BFD, so was Hustler Magazine and Larry Flint, and Jerry Fallwell LOST.
    Beck left Fox on June 30, 2011, that suit was not filed until April 1, 2014. It has ZERO relevance to what Bill wrote.

  • Todd A Scheller

    No, they are not and you admit that below when you wrote:

    Landree • 3 days ago

    I guess the objection to calling Mormonism Christianity is in the “Is Not” part. But don’t bother convincing me because I don’t care whether Mormons are Christians. I guess they are.

  • Anonymous

    I never lied. I never said Mormons are Christians. I never said Mormons are not Christians. I did say repeatedly that some Christians don’t think Mormons are Christians. Read more carefully.

  • Anonymous

    You are mixing issues. Beck was sued because after all the other news organization realized that Alharbi was innocent, Beck repeatedly and falsely accused him of being a criminal. Beck being pushed out of Fox was an entirely separate issue. Advertisers fled his show after he called the president a racist and Fox kindly asked Beck to leave gracefully, after which Beck falsly claimed he left to “save his soul”. That’s when Fox stepped up and said Beck really left to “save his as*”.

  • Anonymous

    I said in the quote you reference that I guess Mormons are Christians. When you say “they are not”, do you mean Mormons are not Christians? I had the impression in the past that you were defending that Mormons were Christians. Again, I really don’t care whether they are or not since it has no relevance to my life at all.

  • Anonymous

    What, exactly, that I wrote sounds like a second grader. Be specific and explain why the statement is immature.

  • Todd A Scheller

    I never claimed they were not to begin with you fool. Quote me where I did. Maybe if you had some form of reading comprehension you might get this.
    If you don’t care, then why argue that they were not in the first place?
    Do you try hard to be this ignorant or does it come naturally to you?

  • Todd A Scheller

    How am I mixing issues when you are using a article from a time that is irrelevant to Beck LEAVING Fox?
    How ignorant can you be?
    You linked to the lawsuit article in response to a comment by Bill about Beck leaving FOX, it was YOU not me that mixed the two issues moron.
    Keep projecting though.

  • Todd A Scheller

    None of it SOUNDS like anything, but it sure reads as elementary school level work in its compensation and is lack of basis in reality.
    Pretty much all of it.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Yes, you did. then like the liberal moron that you are you try to write your way out of the claim after making it. Maybe you should read more extensively before making claims that you cannot support with facts.

  • Anonymous

    Like I said, I did NOT make a judgement on Mormonism. I’ve said repeatedly that SOME Christians don’t think Mormons are Christians. That’s true. Some don’t. I’ll repeat, I personally think Mormons are Christians, but I don’t really care. So, what’s the lie?

  • Anonymous

    What exactly sounds elementary? Why?

  • Anonymous

    Again Two separate issues. Beck was pushed out of For for saying controversial thinks. Later, Beck was sued for saying controversial things. See the pattern?

  • Anonymous

    I wrote that I thought Mormons were Christians, and you responded “No, they are not and you admit that below when you wrote:”

  • Todd A Scheller

    Then why even make the argument if you think they are Christian? What others think is irrelevant.

  • Todd A Scheller

    For the uneducated and the third time, WRITTEN words do not make sound. Have you figured it out yet?

  • Todd A Scheller

    AGAIN, you brought up the SEPARATE ISSUE.
    Prove Beck was pushed out.

  • Todd A Scheller

    So if they are tow separate issues why in the heck did you just try to connect them? See a pattern of your own stupidity yet?

  • Todd A Scheller

    How about your 49 lies there Victor, the 49 that you cannot debunk, even though your attempt too. And still fail.

    1). You never coined the term “Yellow Propaganda,”

    yet you defended that claim for three days. How does defending this lie for three days and then claiming it was a mistake change it from a lie Victor?

    2). There were 24 SEALs on the Bin Laden raid, not 39 Seals. Seals are aquatic Pennipeds, they have no opposable thumb, therefore they cannot hold a gun to kill OBL. SEALs are Naval Special Warfare operators specially trained in the use of any firearm. It might have been humorous to see the video of OBL being smacked to death with seal flippers though.

    3). There is no limit on the number of post one individual can place in a thread on this website. You never once proved there was a limit, as I often had far more posts on any thread than you did.

    4). Your posts are not disappearing. You never proved this one either. Your posts were being moved into Chronological order, and you were never smart enough to find them, even when I was replying directly to them.

    5). Taxing the rich will solve the budget problem. You never proved this one either. Last year, the US lost 147k Millionaires. How again is the 1% supposed to fund the other 99% all by themselves?

    6). Glenn Beck was fired from Fox News. You and everyone else that makes this false claim has yet to prove it. Glenn Beck announced HE was leaving Fox News on April 6, 2011; he appeared on the network until June 31, LIVE. How long did Keith Oblermann remain on MSNBC after they announced he would not longer be on? How about Cink Uygur?

    7). Fox News lost money on Glenn Beck. Still waiting for you to prove this lie, as News Corp made more in profits during Beck’s tenure, because of increased income from FOX NEWS.

    8). You never made a joke about Jesus and sheep, and then had to later edit because you really did. Funny we all know for a fact that you did this and then lied about it.

    9). I nor anyone else has threatened you on this or any other website. Where are these threats again Victor? Got any Links? Shall I prove that you threatened my wife again?

    10). You lie about Benny__Hill and say he is a racist. It’s not true. How quickly can I find a post where you have said as much? You assertion that Benny__Hill called Obama a boy, the masculine term for a child. Gender equates to race again how?

    11). You claim Sandie has violated the cyber stalking law. It’s not true. That’s one you’ll need to prove. If it were true, and you had filed a complaint, she would already be being prosecuted. If Sandie violated this law why is she still free and not at FPC Alderson?

    12). You claimed you are an educated man that acts like a 56 y/o (Now 58), yet your posts prove otherwise. Your post really do prove otherwise Victor.

    13). You lie about not hating Beck. Your posts and your blog prove otherwise.

    14). You lie when you use phonetic spellings of profanity. What more needs to be said? Even your Qbert spellings do not help.

    15). You lie when you say Todd has no credibility. When my posts have references it is hard for me not to have credibility. You do remember giving up your credibility when you lied about allowing me a guest blog post right? What is wrong Victor, do you have an issue when people prove the facts that you used for your blog to be wrong?

    16). You lie when you say you are a media critic. I nor anyone else should trust you to be a critic of dog droppings. You only are critical of Beck, not the Media as a whole.

    17). You lie when you try to redefine things like spam. The bad part is what you used to define spam proved everyone else correct, and you wrong. Relying on Wikipedia is like that.

    18). You lie when you claim ad hominem. Most of us attack your facts and your use of them not you personally, that is when you try to use them.

    19). You lie about Beck all the time. Every time you write something about Beck it contains a lie.

    20). You lie about conservatives who align with Beck. Beck even allowed Liberals on his show, were they aligning with him too?

    21). You lie about Becks audience.

    22). You lie about Beck’s support of gay marriage.

    23). You lie about Van Jones. Where did Van Jones say he was no longer a Communist again?

    24). You lie about Beck’s intent on 8/28.

    25). You lie about Beck’s record of correction.

    26). You lie about how Benny “changed” the settings of Disqus to prevent you from receiving notices in your email that she had replied to one of your messages.

    27). And mostly, you lie about how smart and well educated you are.

    28). Lied that Sandie claimed she was a “good Christian”

    29). Lied that TEA Party are mostly racists.

    30). You claimed Beck is gay, with no proof to support it, other than your assertion. If a former roommate made this accusation on record, where is the record? Still waiting for you to provide the record of where his roommate said this. Assuming the claim that two men slept in the same room, it in noway proves that they were intimate with each other.

    31). You provided a quote from Mussolini that Mussolini never said nor wrote. You even had to admit that you were lying about the quote when you got caught at it.

    32). You lie when you complain that posters remove reply buttons. This is set by the website using Disqus not controlled by the user.

    33). You lied about Todd Scheller neglecting his children.

    34). Lincolnian Republican’s do not offer Presentations to the Democratic Socialists of America, but Viktor has no problem with it (or even allow videos of themselves to be shown at their meetings).

    35). You live in NY and yet you still lied about it having a Balanced Budget.

    36). You lied about the CR being the Ryan Budget.

    37). You lied when you said it was Republicans that removed millions from NIHs budget, but it was Obama that did it on March 1, 2013. So it was not even LAST YEAR (2012) like you claimed.

    38). Victor claimed on October 10, 2013, that the Federal Health Care Exchanges did not open on October 1, 2013. Really? They had been in the news at that time as having flaws, and needing to be shut down several times for fixes.

    39). Claimed that NY Constitution requires a balanced budget at Article VII, Section 2: “§2. Annually, on or before the first day of February in each year following the year fixed by the constitution for the election of governor and lieutenant governor, and on or before the second Tuesday following the first day of the annual meeting of the legislature, in all other years, the governor shall submit to the legislature a budget containing a complete plan of expenditures proposed to be made before the close of the ensuing fiscal year and all moneys and revenues estimated to be available therefor, together with an explanation of the basis of such estimates and recommendations as to proposed legislation, if any, which the governor may deem necessary to provide moneys and revenues sufficient to meet such proposed expenditures. It shall also contain such other recommendations and information as the governor may deem proper and such additional information as may be required by law. (New. Derived in part from former §2 of Art. 4-a. Adopted by Constitutional Convention of 1938 and approved by vote of the people November 8, 1938; amended by vote of the people November 2, 1965; November 6, 2001.)”

    40). Victor claims Todd Scheller never attended college. Yet Mr. Scheller has a BS in Criminal Justice Administration from the University of Phoenix, and a Master’s of Science in Justice and Security Administration from the same institution. Mr. Scheller also attended the University of Central Oklahoma.

    41.) Victor claimed that Prohibition was not a Progressive program. How this moron got two college degrees is beyond me.

    42). Victor claimed there was nearly no voter fraud. Yet Minnesota had 113 convictions for it after 2000. There were 38 convictions in 13 other states over the same period.

    43). Victor claimed and found a source that said all Southern Democrats voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, yet I was able to provide the list of the 23 Democrats from states that Victor thinks are Southern States that voted FOR the law.

    44). Victor claimed there was no boycott of Chris Matthews, yet I was able to find three sources going back to 2008, calling for a boycott of Matthews.

    45). Victor claimed the Republicans in the House are holding up the American Jobs Act, even though they passed it, on a vote of 405-16. Yet it did not get passed by the Senate, because it could not clear a cloture vote.

    46). Victor claimed that Justice Kennedy did not cite corporate rights in the CU v. FEC decision, yet I was able to find three examples of where he did in the decision, and four more in the summary.

    47). Victor claimed the US is only #1 in killing people abroad,US #1 in GDP, oh it really does only take one to prove this to be a lie.

    48). Victor lied about the URL to his blog being blocked.

    49. You lied about me criminally harassing you. It took a call from you to the West Virginia State Police to find out the truth.

  • Todd A Scheller

    So would you stopping you long list of lies and man/child edits.

  • Anonymous

    Two separate events, one pattern of controversial statements that got Beck into trouble. The two events are in no way connected.

  • Anonymous

    Because it’s the very topic of this thread!

  • Anonymous

    What exactly reads elementary? Why?

  • Anonymous

    Fox’s statement to Politico that “Beck was saving his as*” is enough for me.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Wow, Raw Story, HuffPo, and newscorpose have the same lie on their websites too.
    You making idiotic statements is enough for me to prove you are an idiot.
    So who was it from Fox News that told Politico that?

  • Todd A Scheller

    All of your statements read like they were written by a person in elementary school. You cannot tell the difference in written words and spoken words, one makes sound the others do not.
    The way you write and debate makes you seem like you could not find your way out of a wet paper bag.
    You also ignorantly assume that people are angry from short statements.

  • Todd A Scheller

    No, it is not the topic of this thread. Maybe if you learned how to read, you might also note that from Beck’s speech at LU it is also a false premise. Come on man there is even a video of Beck’s speech as part of the article.
    But then again you love to display your lack of intelligence.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Are they separate events or issues? You seem confused on this part. Maybe you have been sleeping under a rock for decades now, but media types get sued often. These suits do not often lead to anything.
    Once again you lack the intellect to understand this.
    Are the events or the issues not connected, you still seem confused on that.

  • Anonymous

    It was heavily reported that after Beck called the President a racist, advertisers were leaving and his ratings were dropping at Fox. Fox’s response was perfectly consistent. And really, who voluntarily leaves their own show on a major TV network? Let’s be real.

  • Anonymous

    I assume people are angry, and perhaps not too bright, when they use insults instead of articulating critical arguments.

  • Anonymous

    Beck’s title of this thread is “Liberty University under fire for inviting Glenn to speak at school’s convocation ceremon” Why do you suppose the LU is under fire? Who objects to Beck speaking at LU? Could it be some Christians that don’t think Mormons are Christians, which is debatable and beside the point? Could it be because Beck invoked Mormon theology in his speech? Why do you think LU was under fire as Beck says?

  • Anonymous

    I’m not confused at all. For the third time: two separate events that got Beck in to trouble for saying controversial things. The law suit is particularly bad for Beck because he went far beyond any other media by continually advertising that an innocent man was the “bag man” in the bombing. Even worse, he accused the government of covering it up. His actions were totally irresponsible. Beck is guilty and would loose a trial, which is why he’ll settle by paying this man a lot of money while asking you for more.