Let’s play the agenda game! Glenn points out 4 progressive parallels in shooter’s manifesto

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In the wake of the Santa Barbara shooting, plenty of hashtag activists took to social media to use the tragedy as a way of pushing their own agenda. Guns are bad! Men are misogynists! Conservatives want babies to carry guns! If Glenn wanted to play the agenda game, he could easily point out the progressive themes in the shooter’s absolutely crazy manifesto.

Don’t believe it? Let’s play!

Round 1: Reproductive Rights

Shooter:  “If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring” – Elliot Rodger

Progressive: “The mass of ignorant Negroes still breed carelessly and disastrously, so that the increase among Negroes, even more than the increase among whites, is from that portion of the population least intelligent and fit, and least able to rear their children properly.” – Margaret Sanger

Round 2: Contributions to society

Shooter: “All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society.” - Elliot Rodger

Progressive: “If you can’t justify your existence, if you’re not pulling your weight in the social boat, if you’re not producing as much as you consume or perhaps a little more, then, clearly, we cannot use the organizations of our society for the purpose of keeping you alive, because your life does not benefit us and it can’t be of very much use to yourself.” – George Bernard Shaw

Round 3: What to do with all those people you don’t deem worthy?

Shooter: “I would have an enormous tower built just for myself, where I can oversee the entire concentration camp and gleefully watch them all die” - Elliot Rodger

Progressive: A great many people would have to be put out of existence simply because it wastes other people’s time to look after them.” - George Bernard Shaw

Bonus Quote: More on reproductive rights (because both the shooter and progressives obsess about sex)

Shooter: “Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence.” - Elliot Rodger

Progressive: “Every feeble-minded girl or woman of the hereditary type, especially of the moron class, should be segregated during the reproductive period. Otherwise, she is almost certain to bear imbecile children, who in turn are just as certain to breed other defectives.”- Margaret Sanger

Game over.

See how it easy for Glenn to tie the shooter’s craziness to the progressive movement? #AgendaGame

Now, what are people ignoring?

The sense of disconnect from society the shooter felt after becoming obsessed with video games? Rodger wrote:

The upside of moving to the apartment was that my mother acquired high speed internet. I was able to play World of Warcraft on her computer, along with Halo 2 on Xbox Live. This was the point when my social life ended completely. I would never have a satisfying social life ever again. It was the beginning of a very lonely period of my life, in which my only social interactions would be online through video games, with the sole exception being my friendship with James. The ability to play video games with people online temporarily filled in the social void. I got caught up in it, and I was too young and naïve to realize the severity of how far I had fallen. I was too scared to accept it. This loss of a social life, coupled with the advent of puberty, caused me to die a little inside. It was too much for me to handle, and I stopped caring about my life and my future. I even stopped caring about what people thought of me. I hid myself away in the online World of Warcraft, a place where I felt comfortable and secure.

Do you think video games might have something more to do with what happened than gun laws or knives? Would this have happened if he had a stronger social attachment to a real community, not a virtual one?

At a time where parents are attached to their phones and kids to their consoles – maybe it’s time to have an honest conversation about how we are handling the real world, rather than retreating to the virtual one.

A big theme on Glenn’s show this year is going to be “Create”. Let’s start with creating stronger relationships with our neighbors and our families, so our kids can have role models that connect with reality.

  • Deckard426

    Elliott never understood that if you have Facebook friends, you don’t need real friends.

  • Glenn Coughlin

    Glenn C
    oughlin is 100% right.
    America should never try pass logical and safe laws to protect its innocent citizens from being gunned down.

  • https://www.facebook.com/DefiantCrime UnwantedFoe

    “Do you think video games might have something more to do with what happened than gun laws or knives? Would this have happened if he had a stronger social attachment to a real community, not a virtual one?”

    Uh, no… lack of parenting, poor parenting and/or certain mental disorders have proven long before video games to be the primary source for behavior like this. Blaming video games (which there has been no definitive correlation to increasing violent tendencies) is not going to get us anywhere. Humans are by our very nature, violent… its how we are raised which helps temper our emotions with either wisdom or carelessness. Be a role model for your child by being the best person you can be, instead of blaming outside sources.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Really?
    There are already laws on the books that keep the mentally ill from OWNING guns, how about enforcing those? the problem here is that even though Mr. Rodger’s was seeing a counselor and a therapist, that does not meet the requirement of the law. He would have had to have been “adjudicated as mentally defective or been committed to a mental institution.”
    Knives killed over 1800 people in both 2008 and 2009, so should we not also regulate the blocks of knives in kitchens too?

  • Krimsen King

    yes, glenn.. this murderous lunatic was clearly a leader in this ‘progressive’ movement, and embodied all the ideals of your perceived political opponents… so that must mean you are the exact opposite of murderous lunatics… your logic is flawless… are you sure this is the best path for you? ;)

  • Krimsen King

    yes, such a close analogy… knives and guns… they are such similarly deadly weapons… good grief, stop trying to defend the indefensible.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Yet, Elliot Rodgers killed three with a KNIFE and three with a gun. Had one of his first three victims had a gun to begin with, he may have never gotten to the other three victims.
    How about you stop trying to defend the indefensible in trying to take away peoples rights?

  • Krimsen King

    people don’t just have a right to own whatever weapon they want, whenever they want.. we have a right to reasonable self-defense.. that’s really all the second amendment guarantees (not to mention it was written 200 years ago, before CBR and WMD).. Peoples’ rights are NOT being taken away simply with reasonable restrictions and sane regulations on weapons. We all need to disabuse ourselves of this ridiculous notion. It is NOT ALL OR NOTHING. We don’t have to let guns flow freely or outlaw them completely. Please try to understand this.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Have you read the Second Amendment? Rodgers had THREE handguns, which is a common weapon issued to most military units for SELF DEFENSE.
    So what reasonable restrictions do you suggest so that 2.5 MILLION people can ignore like they did the other laws they ignored to get them incarcerated?
    So what then do you suggest? What if I can find a law that already exists to do what you suggest?

  • Frank Padilla

    Video games have nothing to do with this, Glen Beck!. The guy was a psychopath.

  • Todd A Scheller

    The First Amendment was written at the same time, are you willing to give up all the rights protected by it as well?

  • AlexisJaime

    Finding “parallels” with what conservatives believe to be(true or not) progressive ideals, is just as easy as a progressive finding “parallels” to what they believe are(true or not) conservative ideals. It is like seeing an elephant or a jackass in the random shapes of the clouds.

    This kid likely isn’t a product of liberalism, conservatism, elitism, violent video games and violent movies, or bad parenting. Sometimes people are simply crazy and there actions and beliefs are solely their own creation.

    We as a society cannot quantify this crazy person’s actions because his actions aren’t based in reason or logic, nor are they representative of the typical human.

  • Krimsen King

    haha of course I’ve read it, it’s only like two lines long.. and it does talk about a ‘well-regulated militia’, not an individual citizen’s right to own any weapon they want.. Yes, obviously a lot of current gun laws should be enforced better, but the proliferation of extremely deadly weapons in our country has just got to stop. We have to stop these gun shows, or at least stop how they’re done now, and limit access to these things. We have lessons, and training and strict enforced regulations on driving cars, extremely deadly weapons in the wrong hands, but not nearly the will or effort on gun regulations.. the massive amounts of money put into lobbying from weapons manufacturers makes certain of that..

  • Jacob Moody

    I have played video games my whole life yet I have no urge to go on some killing spree such as this guy did. I feel it is not because of the video games but because he was so mentally disturbed by the demons in his life that they convinced him that is what he needed to do.

  • Krimsen King

    try responding to something I said…

  • Todd A Scheller

    I can’t you did not say anything, you wrote it.
    However, you did write “that’s really all the second amendment guarantees (not to mention it was written 200 years ago, before CBR and WMD)”, to which I responded: “The First Amendment (as were the Third through Tenth) was written at the same time, are you willing to give up all the rights protected by it as well?”‘

    So, are you willing to give up the rest of the rights guaranteed to you by the Bill of Rights or not?

  • Todd A Scheller

    And what have the courts said about the clause “well regulated militia”? What have the courts said about an individuals rights to own a weapon that they want?

    15 U.S.C. § 7901
    (a) Findings
    Congress finds the following:
    (1) The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
    (2) The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects the rights of individuals, including those who are not members of a militia or engaged in military service or training, to keep and bear arms.

    Wow, even Congress finds you are wrong.

    Let us see what SCOTUS has to say shall we?

    D.C. v Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

    Held:

    1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53.

    (a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.

    (b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court’s interpretation of the operative clause. The “militia” comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved. Pp. 22–28.

    (c) The Court’s interpretation is confirmed by analogous arms-bearing rights in state constitutions that preceded and immediately followed the Second Amendment . Pp. 28–30.

    (d) The Second Amendment ’s drafting history, while of dubious interpretive worth, reveals three state Second Amendment proposals that unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms. Pp. 30–32.

    (e) Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts and legislators, from immediately after its ratification through the late 19th century also supports the Court’s conclusion. Pp. 32–47.

    (f) None of the Court’s precedents forecloses the Court’s interpretation. Neither United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542 , nor Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252 , refutes the individual-rights interpretation. United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174 , does not limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes. Pp. 47–54.

    Want to try a second case? McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010)

    Two years ago, in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U. S. ___, this Court held that the Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense and struck down a District of Columbia law that banned the possession of handguns in the home. Chicago (hereinafter City) and the village of Oak Park, a Chicago suburb, have laws effectively banning handgun possession by almost all private citizens. After Heller, petitioners filed this federal suit against the City, which was consolidated with two related actions, alleging that the City’s handgun ban has left them vulnerable to criminals. They sought a declaration that the ban and several related City ordinances violate the Second and Fourteenth Amendments. Rejecting petitioners’ argument that the ordinances are unconstitutional, the court noted that the Seventh Circuit previously had upheld the constitutionality of a handgun ban, that Heller had explicitly refrained from opining on whether the Second Amendment applied to the States, and that the court had a duty to follow established Circuit precedent. The Seventh Circuit affirmed, relying on three 19th-century cases–United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542,Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252, and Miller v. Texas, 153 U. S. 535–which were decided in the wake of this Court’s interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment’s Privileges or Immunities Clause in theSlaughter-House Cases, 16 Wall. 36.

    Held: The judgment is reversed, and the case is remanded.

    567 F. 3d 856, reversed and remanded.

    Justice Alito delivered the opinion of the Court with respect to Parts I, II-A, II-B, II-D, III-A, and III-B, concluding that the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates the Second Amendment right, recognized in Heller, to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense. Pp. 5-9, 11-19, 19-33.

    (a) Petitioners base their case on two submissions. Primarily, they argue that the right to keep and bear arms is protected by the Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and that the Slaughter-House Cases’ narrow interpretation of the Clause should now be rejected. As a secondary argument, they contend that the Fourteenth Amendment’s Due Process Clause incorporates the Second Amendment right. Chicago and Oak Park (municipal respondents) maintain that a right set out in the Bill of Rights applies to the States only when it is an indispensable attribute of any ” ‘civilized’ ” legal system. If it is possible to imagine a civilized country that does not recognize the right, municipal respondents assert, that right is not protected by due process. And since there are civilized countries that ban or strictly regulate the private possession of handguns, they maintain that due process does not preclude such measures. Pp. 4-5.

    (b) The Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment, originally applied only to the Federal Government, not to the States, see, e.g., Barron ex rel. Tiernan v. Mayor of Baltimore, 7 Pet. 243, 247, but the constitutional Amendments adopted in the Civil War’s aftermath fundamentally altered the federal system. Four years after the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, this Court held in theSlaughter-House Cases, that the Privileges or Immunities Clause protects only those rights “which owe their existence to the Federal government, its National character, its Constitution, or its laws,” 16 Wall.,at 79, and that the fundamental rights predating the creation of the Federal Government were not protected by the Clause, id., at 76. Under this narrow reading, the Court held that the Privileges or Immunities Clause protects only very limited rights. Id., at 79-80. Subsequently, the Court held that the Second Amendment applies only to the Federal Government in Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, Presser,116 U. S. 252, and Miller, 153 U. S. 535, the decisions on which the Seventh Circuit relied in this case. Pp. 5-9.

    (c) Whether the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms applies to the States is considered in light of the Court’s precedents applying the Bill of Rights’ protections to the States. Pp. 11-19.

    So Congress and the courts disagree with you. So sorry.

  • srsanbo

    Read it again. It also talks about “the people”. How you can suggest 2A applies to groups but all the other 9 initial amendments curtail governmental power in terms of the individual is pretty funny. You have no clue what you are talking about. Explain how gun shows are in any way an issue please. “Access to these things” means what? Lessons, training and strict regulations on cars, but what regulation or law stops someone from hopping in one and running you over? (have a hint for you: NOTHING) What constitutes “reasonable self-defense” and who determines what is “reasonable”? You are preaching from the bible of the progressives that want everyone disarmed and it is utterly ridiculous. Vague suggestions of more more more but without considering reality.

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    Really?

    The punk had favorited two of Glenn Beck’s books on his Facebook.

    Shouldn’t Glenn be addressing his own link to this kid’s crazy worldview instead of pointing the finger at people who died years ago?

  • Todd A Scheller

    Really, the Punk that can’t see that progressives have been destroying this country for over a hundred years?
    Oh, there are 28 books on my Facebook, 9 by Dr. Suess, and ZERO by Beck. Guess again fool. Lets see how much more you get wrong.
    Next time don’t be a chicken and hit the reply button.

  • DavidNTX

    The 2nd amendment was written to make sure American citizens had the tools to defend themselves from those trying to do them harm, including tyrants. At the time it was written, all weapons were “military style”. So whatever you think the purpose of the 2nd amendment is, is completely off of the true purpose of the 2nd amendment. Sounds like you need to educate yourself. If you dont trust yourself with a gun, then thank you for not buying one…but that makes you with a gun, the problem…not me or other law abiding gun owners. So dont try to tell me what i can and cannot use to defend my family, because it’s pointless.

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    The fact that you put 9 Dr. Suess books on your Facebook has absolutely no relevance to the fact that this punk listed Glenn Beck’s books.

    Progressive revolutionaries who died two hundred years ago are called the Founding Fathers. Perhaps you’ve heard of them.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Way to go, it took less than two minutes to get your post deleted, lol.

  • DavidNTX

    I see Glenn’s use of common sense and facts has caused your brain to go into overload….are you ok?

  • Krimsen King

    yes, I’m sure a lot of your conversations have been pointless… do you read what you write? “So whatever you think the purpose of the 2nd amendment is, is completely off of the true purpose of the 2nd amendment”… you clearly don’t know what I think the purpose is, so how could you assume it would be ‘completely off’??? It sounds like you make assumptions.. I never said I didn’t trust myself with a gun…. also, you realize that ‘law abiding gun owners’ can still be evil murderers… don’t you? I do appreciate your child-like defiance… yes, no one’s gonna ever tell you what to do…. hahaha good grief

  • Krimsen King

    thank you for asking, I’m fine… what makes you think my comment was ‘overloaded’? Do you think taking a lunatic’s words and message seriously and relating them to a political movement is sane or reasonable? Funny thing, a lot of al Qaida probably agree…

  • Krimsen King

    easy buddy.. you can make your points a lot more clearly and concisely than that… please try to understand.. the courts, like our entire government, are now ENTIRELY CONTROLLED BY THE WEALTHY. This is what it means to live in an oligarchy. The wealthiest do include ceo’s and owners of weapons manufacturers.. Along with their lobby, the nra, they manage to write ALL KINDS of laws to prevent reasonable gun controls, not to mention, they can and do pay all kinds of judges and lawyers to influence the courts.. so in this case, you agree with congress and ‘scotus’… I do not.. they can be wrong and they can be bought.. I cannot be bought, and in this case, I am not wrong ;)

  • Paul Ernest

    As I read this post I couldn’t help but think about this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6Bkr_udado&list=FLr9qRHUWB6A0XFcwieY7XAw&index=9 I thought this was a great video about where we are today… as
    neighborhoods that make up communities, cities, regions and a nation. Add some psychotropic drugs, apathy, the internet, video games, progressivism and innate human selfishness you have a breeding ground for a society of callous-ism, ridicule and hatred. Rocks, shovels, bats, knives, and guns don’t kill people… the condition of the human heart kills people.

  • Krimsen King

    actually there are quite a few vehicular manslaughter/murder laws that ‘prevent’ people from just mowing down others in cars… but we still don’t have NEARLY the careful and effective laws governing gun ownership.. Yes, let’s consider reality, shall we… This ‘bible of the progressives’ DOESN’T MEAN JACK. I really don’t give a flying fluke anymore what the big bad ‘progressives’ WANT. It doesn’t matter what they want or what you want. IT ONLY MATTERS WHAT IS DONE. And since they have NEVER been able to ban or even curtail gun sales or ownership, IT MATTERS EVEN LESS. reality indeed…. utterly ridiculous indeed.

  • Krimsen King

    I didn’t say I was willing to give up the rights described in the second amendment.. sheesh.. I was just saying we could have a more modern, maybe less absolute understanding of our rights to self defense, etc… good grief

  • Krimsen King

    gun shows, and shops and sellers that trade in weapons with no oversight is a very dangerous situation for society.. This is objective fact. Work from this basis. Also, we (as a society) determine what is reasonable, as we always have ;)

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    I’m sure your as avid a supporter of gun rights as Glenn Beck and you are supporters of free speech.

  • Glenn Coughlin

    You make an extremely valid point.
    2008 and 2009?
    Between 2000 and 2010 over 335,000 people were killed by guns. That is an average of 33,500 a year.
    While it may take you a while to figure out, this far and away exceeds any statistic you can produce.

  • Patricia White

    No one is exempt: “For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places”. Solution: “Therefore, take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.” Ephesians 6:11

  • srsanbo

    Your ignorance is showing again. Gun shows have no oversight? Gun shows are just places where “gun people” go to buy and or trade. Gun shows are populated primarily by Federal Firearms Licensees (FFL’s) which by definition are federally licensed dealers that have to record and run background checks for every sale. What I THINK you are alluding to are private sales between citizens that are not regulated in several states. These sales have nothing to do with a gun show. Do you propose gun shows be banned because of the products that are being bought and sold? There are laws against selling off the books or to known felons or those otherwise not legal to own firearms. We, as a society determines what is reasonable? Nice theory, but society sometimes doesn’t get it right. That is why the framers put the 2A right behind the first.

  • Michael F

    Just to be clear, it seems to me that Glenn isn’t blaming video games themselves for making the kid a sociopath; it seems to me at least, that he is saying that the lack of a social life did, and it was the online video games that gave him a facade of a substitution for a healthy social life.

  • Shawn Cameron

    Love the way you tied that together basically demonstrating what the lot of us has known for quite some time mental illness and progressive mindsets aren’t far removed from one another…

    But once again you lost me when you began playing your own “Agenda Game” by blaming video games. So let me answer your question, do video games have more to do with this than guns or knives?.. No not at all, blaming one is no different (and just as wrong) as blaming the other.

    We have a problem with selfishness in this country. We used to care about one another and help other people, now it’s all ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! Parenting? Sure, but I know plenty of people who did the best they could with a child, and the kids grew up to be pieces of s***, and there main problem was they didn’t care about anyone other than themselves. When all you care about is you, other peoples lives really have no meaning.

    We also have developed a deep seeded hatred of our fellow man. Look at the discussions we have here. How many of them actually remain civil between two people who disagree? Not very many. The words “Commie” “idiot” “Teabagger” “libtard” get thrown around a lot, (Hey pointing the finger at myself here too.). We have begun to see liberals as enemies rather than our fellow Americans, and yes I know they declared us enemies long ago.

    We have a moral deficiency in this country, and we cannot legislate morals, that never works. So what do we do?

  • srsanbo

    Really? There are laws against murder, how exactly to they ‘prevent’ murder? Oh, you mean they provide for a penalty to be levied against an individual once they are convicted under the laws? They don’t actually stop anyone from actually using a car to commit murder, do they? No more than more gun laws stop the criminally insane or psychopaths from getting a gun and going on a rampage. This was one of 100 million law abiding gun owners. You are suggesting more regulation that does little to address the problem, and puts a burden on the law-abiding. As a law-abiding gun owner, I don’t accept that. It’s not the how (the gun) we should be focusing on, but the WHY. That’s what you don’t (and probably will never) get. You and the “big bad progressives” think we need a ban to address the issue, and that is about control, not about actually making anyone safer.

  • Shawn Cameron

    You know it’s odd when you read (or hear) something so many times. Then all of a sudden you read it again and get an entirely new meaning from it. I was reading the first quote from GBS above, and it sounds an awful lot like we (conservatives) do when we talk about deadbeats on welfare.

    “If you can’t justify your existence, if you’re not pulling your weight in the social boat, if you’re not producing as much as you consume or perhaps a little more,
    (IOW if you have no job and are a shiftless layabout contributing nothing to society)

    then, clearly, we cannot use the organizations of our society (food stamps, welfare etc.) for the purpose of keeping you alive, because your life does not benefit us and it can’t be of very much use to yourself.” – George Bernard Shaw

    Is it just me or does that sound like;
    Get out and get a job and stop living off my tax dollars?

    Just an observation.

  • LadybugJ

    All the gun shows I have been to have plenty of over site! Those selling have federal licenses to do so, and those buying have background checks to the FBI during the purchase. With all those guns available and all kinds of people walking through them, I have NEVER heard of any violence. It’s not the guns – it’s not the legal gun owners. If it’s gun laws you think will take care of the violence problem. I suppose one more law against guns would make a big difference in, say, Chicago, where the most restrictive gun laws are in place, yet more people die by gun violence. Nope, as long as criminals can get their hands on guns, and the government tries to confiscate our guns, I will buy guns! “Peace through power” is reality. When criminals know the citizens carry weapons, they don’t bother them. It’s when they know weapons are aren’t allowed that the doors open for their evil intents. Jack In the Box CEO announced that guns are not welcome in their restaurants. Within the week, three Jack in the Box restaurants in Houston were robbed at gun point. Coincidence? Reality!

  • Anonymous

    Messed up children start with their parents, I did not hear any love or sorrow or criticism of his son’s thinking towards women; the boy was looking for love he said. Children who feel love at home don’t go looking for it outside or need it. This boys problems started at home. Dear OL’ dad is hollywood mentality, woman send the message they want to seen and used for sex, if a woman has sex with you that is love. Sex doesn’t create love, you can have sex with someone you love. Many men have sex with different women and they don’t love any of them, they love having sex.

  • Shawn Cameron

    Ok Krimsen so what regulations and restrictions would you like to see placed on weapons. If you had the ear of Congress and the President, what would you tell them to do… Go.

  • Krimsen King

    Glad to hear it. You realize not all gun shows are necessarily like the ones you’ve seen.. But yes, more restrictive isn’t necessarily better either.. And obviously, laws will never eliminate violence.. But smarter, more efficient and effective regulations on weapons are clearly in order. We have the highest gun violence rates in the western world. Other countries allow gun ownership, they just don’t feed their weapons industries like we do. You should realize something about your fellow human beings.. there are not just ‘good guys’ and ‘bad guys’, you see.. sometimes the best guy in the world can be made desperate enough for whatever reason to take violent action. Yes, I suppose ‘gun rights advocates’, armed with weapons, could make a fine statement robbing a business owner who denounced guns.. The fact remains that a society with fewer guns is just generally safer.. PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND: we don’t have to make a choice between having a right to self defense, and having no guns.. THIS IS AN ARTIFICIAL CHOICE given to us by wealthy influential lobbyists for the weapons industry.

  • SEIgeMoDE

    Guys I don’t think Glenn Beck was trying to point the problem towards video games there at the end. I’ve enjoyed video games my entire life, so I can see your frustration at the comment. But if you just try to look at the context and understand what he’s saying you can see he’s talking about the fact that this kid did not have a social life. Playing video games is just fine, just as long as it is in moderation, and you do other things as well. It’s not just video games either, it’s everything in life has to be in moderation, that’s just how it works. There’s a reason that people that follow the philosophy of yin and yang do so well.

  • Shawn Cameron

    Would it make you happy if at gun shows, dealers could only sell to people who have gun permits. In my state in order to get a gun permit you have to pass a criminal BG check and have no history of mental illness. How about that?

  • Krimsen King

    I see… good grief your assumptions are astounding… so, your point then is that since murder cannot be stopped, we should just forget about making laws to try to prevent it??? wow, that is an amazing position… Please allow me to correct you… I do NOT think we need a ‘ban’ to address the issue, I think we need a reasoned conversation, and some effective and efficient legislation to be enacted.. this is hardly a ‘ban’ and these are NOT the only two options, banning or everybody get a gun…. FALSE CHOICES

  • Krimsen King

    that’s a reasonable part, but each state is different, and we really do need reasonable and effective national legislation regarding the manufacture and sale of all weapons.

  • Shawn Cameron

    Yes each state is different. I live in Georgia and we have some of the most liberal gun laws in the nation and every gun show I have ever been to is just exactly like what I described.

  • srsanbo

    Do you honestly believe the things you type? “The best guy in the world can be made desperate enough for whatever reason to take violent action”….just…wow. He then ceases to be the “best guy”, doesn’t he? Your intimation is that we should give him a pass? Let him be violent against us? Then you just spew your opinions as fact. More regulation isn’t the answer. The answer is being accountable for our actions and taking responsibility for ourselves and those we care about.

  • Krimsen King

    oh for fluke sake…. I DON’T WANT ANYTHING “BANNED”… I just want some reasonable, strict, and effective oversight of these things… but that would cost the industry money, and with a powerful force like nra actually writing the legislation, I’m under no delusion that I will ever see what I want…. and obviously society doesn’t always get it right.. I didn’t say it did, only that it decides, and it does…….. good grief contrarian……

  • Krimsen King

    yes, well I’m sure your experience is identical in every other state and every other gun show… really, effective oversight of gun shows is just a part of the necessary changes we need.

  • Krimsen King

    aww I appreciate your question and curiosity.. But there are so many things wrong, and so different in each state, I can hardly know where to begin.. I am no expert and have not studied the subject nearly enough to know these things with precision.. but really, the first step to sanity in our government would be removing the corrupting influence of money in our political system… it’s a much deeper problem, but one that affects all other problems with our government, including gun laws. Industry lobbyists should not be writing the laws, in any case.

  • Krimsen King

    I’m sorry, but I made NO SUCH INTIMATION… No, of course, ‘more’ regulation is not the answer, but reasonable, effective and efficient regulation could go a LONG way to helping a desperately bad situation. The absolutes you deal in may be clouding your perceptions. We don’t have to allow weapons to be absolutely unregulated in the name of freedom or ban all weapons… there is no “answer” but there are plenty of reasonable solutions to HELP problems… as long as we’re not obsessed with absolutes and purity of ideology…

  • Boomhauser

    considering this was mainly a knife and vehicle method I don’t understand why they are playing up the gun angle.

    badaboom! BING!

  • Judy S

    I’ll BET this kid was on Anti-Depressants, ADHD Drugs or some other psychotrophic meds BEFORE he did this deed! It’s the PSYCH DRUGS!

  • Krimsen King

    your assumption seems to be that this legal gun owner, this ‘best guy’ would be recognized as a ‘bad guy’ when his intent to do harm was realized… unfortunately this intent is often only seen and recognized after the violence has happened.. you know, ‘taking responsibility for ourselves’ IS NOT AN IDEA FOR GOVERNANCE.. this is not a policy proposition, it is really no idea at all.. you are really only saying ‘I don’t wanna think about it.. every man for himself’… you must realize that the glorious notion of ‘rational self-interest’ is only glorified self-preservation.. it is only what ALL ANIMALS DO, and it turns human society into a dark, brutal and animalistic society… welcome to medieval times ;)

  • Hugh Jass

    “Do you think video games might have something more to do with what happened than gun laws or knives? Would this have happened if he had a stronger social attachment to a real community, not a virtual one?”

    Yes. If this whole thing is about him being a 22 year old virgin, playing video games isn’t going to score chicks. Meeting women requires work. At the very least, he could have joined an internet dating site. He’d get laid within days.

  • Shawn Cameron

    No I’m sure my experience is not identical in every other state, that was kind of the point. Georgia has some of the most (if not the most) relaxed gun laws in the nation. So it’s a fair assumption to make that a state such as, say California since that’s where this took place, with some of the strictest gun laws in the nation would have stricter regulations on gun shows than they do here. Just makes sense, but maybe not, government often makes no sense. I’ve never been to a gun show in California, so I’m just relying on the knowledge I have about the gun shows I have been to and taking into account California (and most other states) have stricter gun laws than they do here to draw my conclusion. What has been your experience at gun shows?

  • Krimsen King

    I have not been to a gun show, though I would love to go if I had the time.. I was relying on news reports I’ve seen over the years.. now, obviously they’re gonna seek out the most lax and egregious violations of common sense to report on, so we’ll have precious little reporting on the decent gun shows, but the larger point was that these shows need to be incredibly diligently and careful overseen.. and it can only be done by a competent government… and we’ll never get a competent government when it’s bought and sold so thoroughly… so the point wasn’t so much about gun shows or even lax regulation (I don’t believe it is too lax in most places)… but that our government will never help solve the problems facing the people when ALL OF OUR POLITICIANS are inherently, fundamentally CORRUPTED by the money in our electoral and political systems.

  • Krimsen King

    thank you, Shawn, for your more thoughtful responses :)

  • Commenter

    A well-regulated militia when the constitution was written was everyman.

  • Shawn Cameron

    Oh c’mon don’t beat around the bush. You have to have some idea of what you want done. Getting the money out of Washington goes across the spectrum on all issues, not just guns. So c’mon tell us just what do you want to see done to guns in this country, You wouldn’t be here debating so vigorously if you didn’t have some idea.

  • Commenter

    Read history. When government has a list of gun owners they can knock on your doors, take your guns and leave you defenseless. Hitler did it and it led to genocide that took the lives of 3 million people. Want that?

  • James Maloney

    I do have an issue with your assertion that online video games(eg. World of Warcraft) was why he had a problem with “a social life”. I have many friends who play WOW and there’s a reason it’s called an online community. This narcissistic nut-job severed himself from society. I met my wife online(admittedly not in a gaming community), but there are so many social outlets online now that to isolate one self from social interaction is a conscious decision not a byproduct of the internet. I even have a lot of “IRL”(in real life) friends because of the internet and have met and chat with my in-laws(including cousin-in-laws whom I have never met) due to the internet. To blame the internet’s “impersonal connections” is therefor flawed. The internet also helps me communicate with my in-laws better since most of them don’t speak English well(my wife is from the Philippines). They can more easily understand typed English and can more readily type English that I can understand. I also have friends online whom I’ve never met from around the world and I’m certain they don’t speak English as a first language but online they can type and understand what I’m typing. As for “quitting TV, Phones and Computers for a week” you are correct, however you and your family could not do that either, it’s to much a part of the American culture now, not to mention that I have my degree in Computer Technology. There’s my two cents, take it for what you believe it’s worth, but please, before you denigrate or blame the internet, realize that a community(even an online community) is exactly that and people with mental issues as severe as this kid’s will always separate themselves because they have no discipline in their lives.

  • Jason Gary

    The guy was crazy. You can’t control or predict crazy; you can only reign it in, and Elliot Rodger was instead allowed to fester into a babbling, violent powderkeg because this country doesn’t have the stones to acknowledge mental illness as the real and mounting problem it is.

    Shame on the left for blaming guns, TV, video games, and misogyny for the actions of a single, exceedingly rare example of unparalleled psychosis. You may as well blame the German language for Hitler’s holocaust.

  • Krimsen King

    I’m only debating vigorously because the things I’ve heard are so outlandish and irresponsible… the reasonable reaction to poor gun laws is not to simply be rid of gun laws.. but this seems to be a popular belief…

  • Krimsen King

    every man not enlisted in the army, yes… your point?

  • Krimsen King

    defenseless against whom???? The government?? Our government??? you realize they have nuclear weapons, right…. your .22 or 50 cal. ain’t gonna dent a tank…. good grief, do you not see ANY middle ground between banning all guns and every man and gun for himself???? Also, it wasn’t the Germans without guns that led to the holocaust, it was Germans WITH guns……. good nightners……

  • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

    Glenn you were making great points up to the video game part. I mean blaming an object is not going to do anything.

  • Anonymous

    This “Virtual World’ masochist was really a sick puppy.
    Perhaps his parents should have taken him to Nevada for a visit to a brothel for his 18th birthday, since he was obviously totally devoid of any social interaction inclinations.

  • Wulf

    Besides knowing this kid was insane, we’ll never know the full truth. The media will release all kinds of info to “link” the behavior to something or someone. Please just let it rest…

  • OpenMinded

    I’ve said this a multitude of times but take a look at the gun crime statistics in Kennesaw GA. What they have has worked for over 30 years. IF there is any other city in the USA that has as good or better record then I can’t find it. I suggest what they have done could be used as a model.

  • OpenMinded

    You are most likely correct. The media is looking to make a buck it seems and accurate reporting such as what Walter Kronkite did is pretty much dead.

  • http://www.stunningdefense.com Rick Kehs

    WOW! For somebody who admittedly knows nothing on the subject your mouth sure does run amuck at full speed. Face it @Krimsen, you’re a liberal, by my definition an emotional fool. Get the facts straight or just shut the F-up till you do.

  • http://www.stunningdefense.com Rick Kehs

    @Krimsen. You sound like a member of the TEA Party. If not you should be. They are intent on getting people of character elected into office.

  • Krimsen King

    wow.. for someone who knows so little of my knowledge, you do make some powerful assumptions.. I didn’t say I ‘know nothing on the subject’, simply that I was no expert.. perhaps your belief in absolutes is clouding your perceptions.. let me help… not being an expert does not mean one has no knowledge of a subject.. and people you believe you disagree with are not necessarily ‘liberal’ or certainly not ‘emotional fools’.. get your perceptions straight and you might not be so angry ;)

  • Krimsen King

    this is a noble endeavor, but entirely misguided.. “people of character” are exceedingly hard to discover in the modern world, in a country of 350 million.. not to mention, this ‘character’ can be easily forged with platitudes and pleasant thoughts like ‘free market solutions’, ‘liberty’ and ‘personal responsibility’.. Also not to mention, the tea party organizations have all been used to get this flow of undisclosed, unknown money into our politicians’ hands.. Party affiliation, political ideology, partisan alliances…. ALL of these are IRRELEVANT now… all that matters now is what the very few, very wealthy oligarchs want.. best be nice to em ;)

  • http://www.stunningdefense.com Rick Kehs

    @krimsen. WHAT? You’re an alien aren’t you?

  • Jeff

    Couple his hatred of women’s rights with the inability to civilly deal with rejection and you have your typical wingnut social conservative…

  • Duddioman

    I agree. What is the percentage of the millions of people who have played WoW specifically who acted out violently or have no real friends? Very low. Same with Halo. We used to have Halo parties where the kids friends would all bring their consoles and we would do multi-team matches with dads and kids. It was the exact opposite of what is described above.

    It isn’t the technology, it’s what you do with the technology.

  • Anonymous

    This is ahistorical nonsense and a terrible argument. This is the kind of drivel that people like you read and don’t even question. Indeed, racial science–the origins of eugenics–has progressive roots, but it also has deep and diverse intellectual origins. Racial science is best understood as a product of the enlightenment, of the scientific revolution, also responsible for our modern notion of private property and natural rights. Remember, those were progressive ideas at one time too. And also remember that they are just ideas, not any more inviolable than any other. What side of the revolution of 1776 would you have been on? the side of aristocratic, conservative tories or progressive republican (small ‘r’) colonists? Moreover, to link this kid to some abstract notion of progressivism–to two people from the early 20th century (yes, TWO people)– is intentional dishonesty on the part of gb. And today on his show he was talking about “garden cities,”yet he failed to mention the socialist-utopian intellectuals who conceived of the garden cities movement. They were a bunch of socialists who wanted to restrict property rights and industrial development. As long as you have your face buried in Dr. Suess books, you’ll never see that beck is a hack who knows nothing about history. You probably benefit daily from things progressives worked tirelessly to accomplish and yet have no idea.

  • Anonymous

    Well, we could all tell the ACLU to pound sand and force our state legislatures to form a policy allowing therapists and family members to involuntarily institutionalize those who are a threat to themselves and/or others. And, we need a “No Buy” list for those prescribed psychiatric drugs — whether the mental patient takes them or not (some of the drugs actually make matters worse and lead to suicidal and/or homicidal thoughts). Since the Isla Vista mass murderer was under a therapist’s care from the age of 8 and had been prescribed psychiatric drugs (which he refused to take), he would have been barred from owning guns. This, however, would not have prevented him from using knives or bombs — but involuntarily institutionalizing him when his mother saw a danger certainly would have prevented the crime. Bottom line: Blame the ACLU for keeping the crazies living among us and preying on the innocents.

  • Anonymous

    Unfortunately for your argument, in this case, knives and guns ARE exactly as deadly. The first three people to die were stabbed to death with a knife. He used a gun for the next three. Which of those six received the more heinous death? Of course, to a person like you, it has absolutely nothing to do with this young man’s choices and murderous intent, it’s simply about the gun he chose to use. After all, how could someone kill with a knife, right? He had three roommates, all male, and all of them died by being killed with a knife. But, to you, the fact that just as many people died from blood loss induced by a blade is somehow insignificant compared to the blood loss induced by a bullet.

    I’m a doctor. To me, it doesn’t really matter how the blood loss occurs. When too much leaks out, you die. Period. Frankly, knife wounds are often more difficult to repair than bullet wounds because there is no single, narrow tract that enters into the body; instead, the blade expands as it moves away from the point, widening the potential organ damage. Sometimes a bullet’s path is more difficult to trace. But sometimes, as in this case, it simply doesn’t matter how it occurred. There is nothing more or less tragic about these murders because of the means used to kill the victims. The one thing truly tragic about all of this is that none of them had the means to adequately defend themselves.

    Perhaps you could explain why mass murderers always choose to go to places with advertised “gun free zone” policies to carry out their chosen form of mayhem? What kind of fool believes that disarming everyone who legally owns and carries weapons will guarantee that no one can assault others? Or would the best defense be to smile at the guy and hope he wouldn’t choose you?

    You may believe that the attempt to remove guns from the hands of those who constitutionally have every right in the world to own them is a noble cause, but all it demonstrates is that you know absolutely nothing about what is “indefensible”. Your hysteria is what is indefensible. It’s not based on fact and it has nothing to do with the rule of law. Should you ever be the one confronted by an assailant, and were defended by someone with a gun, would you be grateful, or would you condemn them? If the answer is the former, you’re a hypocrite, and if it’s the latter, a sociopath.

  • vrahnos

    Well it’s not just video games it’s also how much the games are played.I don’t see them to be much worce than board games other than kids can play the games by themselfs.What is needed is other things in the kids life to do How about a tree fort?A clubhouse?Playing games outside?Climb a tree?Shooting the bull with your best friends?Riding a bike?There is far more thing for kids to do than sit in a house and play video games all day,day in and day out.

  • http://www.bourgeoisviews.blogspot.com/ Anonymous

    There have been lots of progressives. They may agree on freedom of speech, but does that mean they agree with everything the others say? Progressives are not like conservatives who would never commit heresy from the party line. Conservatives always think what they are told to think.

  • Jim

    I have to disagree with Glenn about blaming the video games. Thousands of kids play them and never go on any killing sprees. There are limits, of course. That’s where parenting comes in. “Shut that off and go outside for a while.” This kid had other issues. I’d like to know if he was on any prescription medications and which ones.

  • Nina

    GASP! I’m appalled that you suggest they play outside….don’t you know that the liberals have spread the fear of kidnapping among the young mothers of today? HOw on earth can they be allowed to go out and play in a tree? They might fall…they may get lost int he woods…they might trip over their untied sneakers!!!

  • Anonymous

    Movies or Videos do not cause a person to go bad, but they can help push the mentally ill person further away from reality. We have had cowboys and Indians, cops and robbers, violent war movies, and such for years. We knew that they were MOVIES. Not real life. The mentally ill person just can’t cope. Psychotropic drugs are not helping in the equation either.

  • Anonymous

    You forgot,,,stub their toe.

  • vrahnos

    City girl I take it.Kids can learn to tie their shoes.I have climed many trees when I was a kid and never fell.My kids climbed trees too.They had bikes to ride and my back yard was a forest for them to play in.Also as long as kids play with other kids in the neighborhood there isn’t much problem with kidnapping.So Mom lighten up and let the kids play.Let them run and fall down just to pick themselfs up to run some more.Let them get dirty with matted hair.They clean up just fine for bed with a bath.Video games are a good rainy day thing to do but the sun does shine and things do dry out so let them have some fun.

  • Sargonarhes

    Let’s see, I’ve played video games for a very long time, I tend to stay away from society and social events, I’ve been rejected by women before, I own firearms, hmmm…. Ok why haven’t I gone on a shooting spree like this idiot?

    Oh that’s right, I have morals instilled upon me by my faith and my parents. Now what could be missing from the idiot shooter’s life? I see only two things missing here.

  • Shawn Cameron

    I don’t think anyone (well at least n fair minded person) wants to be rid of gun laws. I am all for keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill, we have laws that supposedly do that. Maybe we should think of ways to more efficiently enforce these laws. I also take issue with the idea that more federal control is needed. Things are different in every state for a very good reason and should remain that way. That’s the way our country was founded, once again for very good reasons.

    I see no problem with common sense gun laws, but I don’t hear many coming from the left. I hear “Ban assault weapons”. Even though no such weapon was used in the majority of these mass shootings. I hear “smaller clips”. Even though anyone halfazzed trained to use a gun can load another “magazine” in a split second. I mean one idiot Congressman actually suggested that women didn’t need a gun to protect themselves from rapists all they needed to do was soil themselves making themselves less attractive. (I swear I’m not making that up) That’s what I would call outlandish and irresponsible. I hear “Citizens have no business with military style weapons” Fact is the military uses automatic weapons which are HIGHLY regulated and very hard for “citizens” to get their hands on.

    You see the problem with people making your argument, is they simply know absolutely nothing about guns. Here’s another example of that;

    “gun shows, and shops and sellers that trade in weapons with no oversight is a very dangerous situation for society.. This is objective fact.”

    “I have not been to a gun show, though I would love to go if I had the time.. I was relying on news reports I’ve seen over the years.”

    I’m guessing you haven’t talked to many gun shop owners either. See the problem with that?

  • Ruamac

    Pretty sure I detected a hint of sarcasm in Nina’s typing.

  • smokehill

    As opposed to your enlightened outlook, which is basically just paternalistic fascism, with your Governmental Mommy looking over your shoulder 24 hrs a day and approving everything you do — and denying your access to anything with which you might injure yourself or others.

    Clearly, you have never been to a gun show and haven’t bothered to any research beyond dredging up laughable old arguments from Sarah Brady & her vegetable husband.

    The source of virtually all the weapons used in mass shootings are very well known. So tell us how many of them were bought at gun shows with no criminal record checks or Forms 4473 filled out?

    Got even ONE example?

  • Todd A Scheller

    So reading Dr. Suess to my kids means that I don’t know History?
    The moron that still tries to call the Founding Fathers progressives is trying to call me ignorant of history, when Franklin used a CAPITAL R when asked what kind of government the Constitution gave us?
    Get back to us when you understand history.

  • Todd A Scheller

    I support the Constitution. The First Amendment keeps the GOVERNMENT from censuring your speech, not Glenn Beck or his employees.
    Try harder to prove what you don’t know.

  • Todd A Scheller

    2006 Homicides- 15,087
    2007 Homicides- 14,916
    2008 Homicides- 14,224
    2009 Homicides- 13,752
    2010 Homicides- 12,996

    Source: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls

    Me thinks thou doth lie to much.
    Statistically you are LYING.
    What else you got?

  • Todd A Scheller

    Maybe I am saying you are an idiot, and you are helping me prove it.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Still is under Federal Law, and it includes all women that are members of the National Guard.

  • Todd A Scheller

    SHOPS have to have an FFL, and keep records of their sales.
    Keep proving how much you do not know with every post.

  • Todd A Scheller

    LMAO, .50 Cal Rifles are DESIGNED to use against Armor. You really are stupid.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Wow, my point was clear and concise I even had evidence to support my claim. You are totally controlled by your IGNORANCE.
    You can be bought, and you are not only wrong but ignorant of the subject which you spew forth this ignorance.

  • Todd A Scheller

    What if I told you from 1950-2010 there was never a year that had a total of 33,500 homicides in the US, and you once again prove to be a lying idiot?

    Keep trying to make up numbers as you go along.

    Source: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

  • Terry Steinhaus

    Hurrah! It’s so good to read your article! The socialists news and progressives are totally ruining our way of life! One thing: these horrible groups did an evil, evil deed by pushing the terms of progressive and socialist onto unknowing people
    who have no idea what the terms mean. Liberal politicians are also trying to wipe out the middle class by higher taxation, ending Christianity for many millions, and supporting much smaller, although most are violent like the Black Panthers, and Hamas in New York City. There are many small cities building up around us that are muslem and will not let other people in IF they are not Muslem. It’s even been rumored that Al-Quada is in training to help over-take the United States! Yes, I do think this is happening You know, we had bikes, tree houses, a mud hole where we would play ‘Combat!’ or G.I. Joe. Boy, did we get in trouble when we climbed out of that hole! We also made ramps for our bicycles, and-we too had cap guns and caps! There was no sexual or derogatory when we played, which was hard, because I was sometimes I was only girl. But if anything or anybody tried to pick on me, my big brother would go after anyone who made his little sister cry. One more thing: my brother and the guys did a lot of hunting with beebeeguns and killed squirrels and rabbits and brought them home for supper. So I guess we were growing up to be terrorists, probably, except we all, except my brother, who passed away at age 16, are all working in American jobs.

  • smokehill

    Of course he was on those drugs. He was a freakin’ LOONY ! Who else would be getting them?

    So what? That doesn’t even begin to show any cause & effect relationship. You might as well blame it all on his being a virgin — which, like the drugs, is simply another indicator of his flakiness, not the cause.

  • vrahnos

    Thank you.Sounds like we had the same kind of childhood.I also raised my two kids up that way.They are still alive and kicking and doing alright.

  • smokehill

    While video games never took much of my time, social events have always bored me & I avoid them. Like most men, I’ve been rejected by women before, too. I spent most of my life with LOTS of firearms, including lots & lots of automatic weapons, grenades & artillery for my 20+ yrs in the Army.

    I also have absolutely NO religious faith, relying on only my own conscience & sense of decency to guide my actions.

    I did, however, have a set of parents who not only loved me but were strict with discipline, rejecting the inane nonsense spouted by that commie POS, Dr. Spock, and instilled in me a sense of right and wrong.

    Religion therefore seems irrelevant — but there is NO substitute for good parenting..

    Perhaps that’s why I have never killed anyone … with a few excusable exceptions.

  • Anonymous

    So this is how long it took Glenn to politicize this tragedy. And he thinks he can do it with a better perspective than that of the father’s, who blames the NRA.

  • smokehill

    I’m not sure Glenn understands that video games are hardly a likely CAUSE of violence, but when someone spends an awful lot of time immersed in them, to the exclusion of a normal social life, that’s an indication that they have some sort of real problem, and should be a warning sign to friends & family.

  • smokehill

    Walter Cronkite was a liar and a fraud who had no problem making it up to suit his left-wing political beliefs.

    Ya gotta go back to Huntley or Brinkley to find a real reporter on the national news.

  • Anonymous

    … and the opposite turns society into a cold, unfeeling society, where a nameless, faceless board of bureaucrats uses you up like a tool and has no care for your needs or wants.

  • Anonymous

    1984 all over again?

  • Anonymous

    Remember, they could by explosives at a general goods store, back in the 18th and 19th centuries.

  • Anonymous

    Of all of the shootings that have occurred in the last few years, almost all of them (I think only one of them is an exception) occurred in an area where firearms and other weapons were prohibited, either by law, or by company policy (as in the case of the Aurora, CO theater). This is analogous to “stricter gun laws”, where we can see that the locations that prohibit people from weapons are prime areas for these rampages.
    Examples, Gabby Giffords and the Federal Judge in AZ (weapons are forbidden within the cordoned area unless you are authorized LEO there), Sandy Hook (school grounds are federally protected from weapons), Colorado Movie Theater (company policy prohibited weapons from their theatres, AND the LEOs were out front to “protect” the citizens on opening night), Ft Hood, both times (federal law prohibits military personal from being armed on post, unless at the designated area, i.e. the “range”, or if you are an MP or something), Santa Barbara (it’s CA and at a University, enough said). Do you see the trend here? There ARE “national” laws regarding firearms and weapons, and they work oh so well. /sarc

  • Anonymous

    It seems like the shooters real problem is simply that girls aren’t attracted to liberal guys.

  • Glenn Coughlin

    The statistics you used only counts homicides.

    I guess my source, http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/16/16547690-just-the-facts-gun-violence-in-america?lite

    is incorrect. P.S. Don’t try and talk down to me, it makes you appear to be more ignorant than you really are.

  • Anonymous

    Reread the article. Glenn is using satire and sarcasm to show how stupid people are for playing the “agenda game” and trying to use the shooting as an excuse for all of the hashtag activism, as he called it.

  • Anonymous

    … and the architect of the shopping mall was a socialist who had a vision of communities built around these malls, and everyone in that community would work there, socialize there, etcetera, yet now progs and socialists decry the commercialism and capitalism that these malls embody. I call that irony.

  • Anonymous

    You are right. Ultimately, as a society, we are spinning our wheels in the sand because we are so worried about what natural man is doing, that we bury our collective heads in the sand, to the spiritual battle; we worry too much about removing the mote from our brethrens’ eyes, but fail to remove the log out of our own.

  • Anonymous

    He sounds crazy enough to break the law and get a gun anyway.
    /grin

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    That’s a lame defense of censorship.

    Beck holds himself as one who believes in the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights yet on his own page he censors what he doesn’t like. I did not violate any terms of use. I simply said things Glenn Beck’s lackeys wanted censored.

  • BlueMN

    About 2/3 of all gun deaths in the US are suicides, in 2010 for example, there were over 19,000 suicides by firearms.

  • BlueMN

    Maybe you should hold a duck call while saying racist and homophobic things next time.

  • Glenn Coughlin

    I didn’t know that.
    That is a depressing stat, to say the least.

  • Christopher Hatch

    Glenn – Video Games do not cause mass shootings. Statistically mass shootings are 22 a year plus or minus 5 since 1976. There is no correlation in videos game violence increase and mass shooting . However, people with existing social mental problems are drawn to video games because it is controlable

  • Nina

    I find this “blame the video” somewhat similar to back when music was blamed for certain things….you know. Ozzie biting the head off a bird…or listening to certain records…remember those? backwards…giving secret messages to us kids….to do what? I’m not 100% convinced that playing video games is the reason anyone snaps these days…lack of parental supervision and involvement….dosing with drugs for ADD…or any other “depression” pills…instead of learning to deal with disappointment and not everybody is going to like you….I know kids who play video games and they are not thinking of taking it to the real life level. Maybe we hear more of these tragedies happening because years ago these people were locked up? IDK…but can’t blame everything for people behaving badly….not guns, not video games, not movies….

  • Nina

    I’m no city girl….and you do get that I was being sarcastic?

  • Todd A Scheller

    Is a homicide not a death? Homicides just happen to be commited by someone other than the decedant.

    Your source used the CDC that you can search here so lets try for total death in each year and see how ignorant you really are.

    2000 Gun deaths- 28,663
    2001 Gun deaths- 29,573
    2002 Gun deaths- 30,242
    2003 Gun deaths- 30,136
    2004 Gun deaths- 29,569
    2005 Gun deaths- 30,694
    2006 Gun deaths- 30,896
    2007 Gun deaths- 31,224
    2008 Gun deaths- 31,593
    2009 Gun deaths- 31,347
    2010 Gun deaths- 31,672

    Please tell me how you got that average when ZERO of the years you used reaches ABOVE the average? Did you take Common Core math classes?
    How can I talk down to you when you lack the intelligence to understand that I am not talking with the written word?
    Find me some real stats that are not lies then get back to me?

  • Nina

    Trying to reason with one who does not reason well…forgedaboutit! But I give you 10 points for trying…thanks for trying tho…..

  • Todd A Scheller

    it is reality, but then again, you seem to struggle with reality.
    Does this website not have a terms of use? By using it you agree to comply with the TOU, when you do not, your posts are subject to deletion.
    THE FIRST AMENDMENT ONLY PROTECTS YOU FROM THE GOVERNMENT! Please keep proving how ignorant you really are.

  • Todd A Scheller

    Just so you know, 2000-2010 is ELEVEN years not TEN, you moron. So who is the ignorant one again?

  • Nina

    Last time I knew there were “reasonable, strict, and effective oversight” of gun ownership…..

  • Nina

    oh boy…sorry but the more I read of Krimsen Kings remarks and posts, the more I just want to bang my head….he’s trying but it’s not working….guess we just DONT UNDERSTAND!!!

  • Todd A Scheller

    Victor Guren gave up Socialism in 1934, four years prior to his immigration to the US. Man, how ignorant of history are you? How ironic is that?

  • Todd A Scheller

    He wonders why stupid is so hard to understand.

  • Todd A Scheller

    7,515 were unintentional deaths, I.E. Accidents.
    191,807 were suicides.
    2,645 were from undetermined intent.
    3,595 were from LEGAL INTERVENTIONS, like when the law enforcement or an armed civilian stopped a mass shooter.
    So no your stats are not right. Because you did not research the primary source enough.

  • Anonymous

    Yea, the Dr. Suess remark may have been unfair, but I also made legit points that you glossed over. Enlighten us, how weren’t the founders progressive?

  • John Scott

    I find it interesting that many blame everything from his upbringing, to male dating sites, to the fact he could easily buy guns. But in the end, this young man was mentally unstable and its clear not enough was done. Even though plenty of warnings went ignored. A affluent kid raised in a home where he needed nothing. Yet his mental state was the key. We need to stop treating mental illness as not being a potential threat to society. Not everyone with a mental illness will kill people or themselves. But we can limit a person with a illness to not have access to weapons. This to me is a no brainer. We can never totally eliminate a potential threat like this. Human mental illness can be hard to predict or diagnose on a threat scale to others. But we could at least try.

  • John Scott

    Its not the video games but the parents who don’t control what games their kids should play. My wife a teacher has 4th graders playing games like Call Of Duty or other violent games rated for teens. Parents don’t seem to find this to be a problem. As popular as games are, I don’t think any statistic has proven much of a connection in terms of real lethal violence. Mental illness seems to be more the key to these mass shootings and its not games that trigger it. More inability to deal with rejection or issues with social interaction.

  • Krimsen King

    listen, friend.. you don’t know any ‘persons’ like me.. you don’t know what I want or what I think except for what I say.. don’t extrapolate.. don’t assume.. don’t inform your worldview with delusions that you somehow know what I think or feel or want.. and a good idea.. don’t do it for anyone else either… it is clearly making your perceptions dark.. and people don’t see so good in the dark ;)

  • Krimsen King

    you clearly don’t know my ‘outlook’, so try not to go all ‘basically’ on it… it is anything but basic ;)

  • Krimsen King

    nice Brady reference btw…. yuk

  • Krimsen King

    no maybe about it… I’m saying you’re insulting, and you very much prove it with every response haha ;)

  • Krimsen King

    and like f-18′s through the clouds, the point went flyin right by ;)

  • Krimsen King

    feels like it sometimes.. I thought I was just a normal human being…

  • Memphis Viking

    Glenn is responding to the left’s politicization of this event, as a smidgeon of intelligence would tell you. And it’s not hard to have a better perspective than someone who just lost their kid and is looking to blame something that he already opposes. Seriously, what is it about the left that makes them think that being related to a victim of a violent crime makes one an expert on firearms and Constitutional law?

  • Memphis Viking

    Wow, you got that totally backwards. You had to try to be that wrong.

  • Memphis Viking

    I think the difference is the progressive viewpoint is “we shouldn’t take care of you because you don’t benefit us”, while the conservative viewpoint is “we don’t have a responsibility to take care of you when you have the ability to do it yourself”.

  • Krimsen King

    last time I knew there was a new mass shooting every week…..

  • Anonymous

    Please, refrain from insulting my knowledge of history. Where and when did he “give up” socialism? He was a “committed socialist” until 1934, but I can’t find anything on what, if anything, he “converted” to, or whether he simply changed his tactics. Remember, it says he was a “committed” socialist until 1934, but also says he fled due to Nazi Germany (an avowed foe of Socialist Russia).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Gruen
    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/04/the-last-shopping-mall/

    Shopping malls were his idea for a “utopian communal center”, so it did come from his socialist, and possibly communist, ideology.

    http://reurbanist.com/2013/05/the-gruen-effect-victor-gruen-and-the-shopping-mall/

    Victor doesn’t like what shopping malls became (i.e. commercial centers), likely because they are commercial centers now and not the communal utopias he imagined (hmmm, who uses terms like utopia and communal center).

    So, in conclusion, my point about irony in this regards, is that whatever something originally was (or wasn’t) if its purposes have turned from that to its opposite (such as HayMarket’s response about the founders’ supposedly progressive views becoming conservative views), then that is a form of irony. For the most part, Todd, I am on your side.

  • CGrove

    Wrong again prison food breath. It’s “Dr. Seuss” Todd.

  • http://www.bourgeoisviews.blogspot.com/ Anonymous

    Wow, what are you talking about? Conservatives have a checklist for who is conservative. Progressives don’t have such a list for who is progressive. I’m not even sure that the individualists conservatives call progressive even care who is or who is not a progressive. Conservatives do most of that. Conservatives impute to anyone with whose opinions they don’t like all sorts of other “progressive” opinions that the other person never uttered.

  • Glenn Coughlin

    I’m sorry.
    I stated “killed by guns”, not the reasons behind them.
    I never lied.
    You simply nit picked at my statement to try and score cheap points.
    Nice try though.
    Good Bye.

  • Anonymous

    I’m really getting tired of leftist fools quoting statistics they heard on MSNBC. Thanks for going to an irrefutable source for the information. According to the leftists in this nation, as the number of guns sold increases (Obama has been REALLY good for the gun business), the number of gun deaths dramatically escalates. In fact, the very opposite is true. The cities that have the strictest gun laws also have the highest statistics for gun related crimes. Apparently, the criminals are just not cooperating and, due to the efforts of left wing nuts, are well aware that the citizens are unarmed and ripe for the picking. But hey, if you’re a leftist, it’s all about how it makes you feel, not the actual results of your actions.

  • Anonymous

    Todd, do you wonder just how long it will be before people stop trying to argue that tired old point? The supreme court has repeatedly confirmed that the phrase, “A well regulated militia…” does NOT mean that only the military is allowed to own guns, and in fact, ensconced in law the idea that citizens had the right and the responsibility to own weapons to check the tyranny of government. Perhaps if just one of these guys were to actually read some of those decisions, or even better, read the Federalist Papers. Ah well…if wishes were fishes…

  • Anonymous

    Yes, don’t tell us…your source counts suicides, accidents, people thinking about killing themselves…what kind of fool believes that a suicidal person couldn’t commit suicide if they didn’t have access to guns? Time to grow up and enter reality. Tell you what…you don’t like guns, don’t buy one.
    The only statistics that anyone cares about is gun violence and crime. It doesn’t matter to you that people kill themselves through other means; it’s only the guns that count in your mind. How about this…all we have to do is amputate the hands of suicidal people. After all, it would prevent them from having ANY means of killing themselves.
    Your form of logic is straight out of the leftist handbook and it’s nothing more than practiced deception. It would be so great to be a liberal. No facts, no reasoning, no way of winning an argument without exaggeration and lying and absolutely no compunction about resorting to those tactics because, after all, to a leftist, the end always justifies ANY means. The nobility of “the cause” outweighs any tactics necessary to force the outcome. Good luck with that.

  • Anonymous

    Really…22 mass shootings a year. Perhaps you could name the 22 that occurred this last year, along with how many people died in each shooting. I have news for you…in even the most leftist publications that sometimes deal in exaggerated statistics, the highest number of shootings in the US since 1982 is 70 total. While the exaggeration is amusing and quaintly illustrative of the leftist penchant for misinformation and exaggeration, a tad more subtlety is in order if you want to pull off the claim.

  • Anonymous

    Guess you’re correct on that point, although it’s sad when someone willfully attempts to distort fact and obfuscate to push an agenda that they’re willing to do anything to achieve. I can appreciate well presented quibbling, but nothing you and your friend have presented comes close to the minimum standard.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t need to. You put it out there for anyone to see. If you don’t want assumptions to be made about your “worldview,” then don’t put your thoughts into writing. Up to that point, you can keep everyone guessing, but once it’s committed to paper or digital media, it’s too late.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, so now you’re claiming there are 52 mass shootings per year. Name them. Dates, victims, name of the murderer, places. Before, I thought you were just a typical leftist, but now, you’ve reached new heights of idiocy. So go ahead. Back up that claim with fact. This should be good.

  • vrahnos

    Well now kidnapping was just as bad 30 years ago and my kids and many others did not get kidnapped.It was going on when I was a kid.However it never stopped me from letting kids be kids and outdoor play.I have lived in the country all my life and the problems are for the most part are found in the citys.Now if you were being sarcastic then you should have said so.the way your post is written doesn’t convay that very well.My appoligys if I misunderstood you.

  • vrahnos

    Well John,We all have trouble with rejection and social interaction to one degree or another.I am comfy in a tavern where I can drink a beer,soda or coffee play a game of pool and shoot the bull with folks than I am at some kind of cocktail party.Kids will learn to accept rejection from their pier group and deal with it just fine.Maybe they cry for a while but they get over it as long as the child has others to play with.It when a child is raised up in an overproctive home that they have problems for the most part.Now I was a loner in school and didn’t have any dates with the girls.I got along with girls fine.I haven’t killed anyone ether cause I didn’t have any sex till I was 23.Just didn’t get around to that till then.A year later I was married to a good woman and we had two kids.She passed away 13 years ago and I still haven’t killed anyone too.

  • Glenn Coughlin

    Sorry, but at no time did I say that 30K people a year are murdered. I said killed.
    But, it was entertaining to watch you go off the deep end with comments like “amputate the hands” and “doesn’t matter to me”.
    Lastly, I own a 30-06 hunting rifle and twelve gauge shotgun. I don’t believe that every gun should be banned but I do believe that the country needs to look into logical gun laws.
    Once again, thank you for the entertaining rant.

  • John Scott

    Of course you also never said you had a mental illness either. Lot’s of people get depressed, rejected, become loaners as they say. Not always a trigger for mass killings. In fact we still need to put into perspective that mass killings are a rarity and well over played by people with a agenda for gun control, game violence or racial issues. But common sense would look at what many of these killers had in common just like any serial killer. You keep reading mental illness treatment as a common theme with the Colorado shooter, Sandy Hook, which scream out problems after the fact.
    Then you have the Columbine high school like shooters who basically see them against everyone else. I personally don’t think you will ever stop these mass killings ever! Won’t ever happen, take all the guns away, knives whatever. People who decide to do this will simply use another weapon of choice. Someone who has been treated for a mental illness needs to have a better system for review and threat potential to themselves and others. Will it stop these killings? I guess if you stop one you have made a difference in many lives.(Vrahnos) its great you managed to deal with you problems and setbacks through life as many of us would. But we are not talking about you. We are talking about stopping the few who simply cannot quell their desire to get even, to take revenge or to randomly kill people because they feel they must. Mental illness threats to the public are real, guns won’t just go away and neither will knives. Deal with the people with mental issues, evaluate them better. Stop them from buying guns when they pose a threat to themselves or others.

  • John Scott

    Jacob you are right, mental illness seems taboo to address as a threat. We for so long treated mental illness as something we needed to lock away and forget about. That we now tread lightly on their rights and freedoms. Many people who would have been locked away 40 years ago are now leading functioning lives with treatment. But its that small percent that either don’t get help, won’t stay on treatment or have not been diagnosed that pose a threat albeit small. A video game does not convince a normal person to go on a shooting spree. Otherwise, we would probably have way more random killings then we do. The reason this shooter could buy guns is the same reason we stopped locking mentally ill people up. We think we can control them with medication and therapy. The mind is something we keep learning about it every day. Unfortunately being able to detect violent behavior is something we need to focus on. Not only to protect the mentally ill, but also the general public.

  • vrahnos

    I have to agree with you on the mental illness issue.Much should be done to find and help them.However when people tell me this should be a reason to restrick our gun rights or to do away with our rights to own the guns we want it my ire up.First we must be able to i.d. those people and lock them away before they can harm people.I could care less if someone wants to kill themselfs with whatever works for them.The video games aren’t donky kong or mario that kids are playing today.That does bug me for what are they learning from that?We have been seeing where some of the killers do their stuff along a video game format.Now for the most part they have been somewhat harmless except to those who play them day in and day out and do little of anything else.If those boys had not learned how to kill on a mass level like they can do in the games then where would they learn it from?So a strict restriction should be placed on those kind of games and only sold to those who are over a certain age.If it has been discovered that the child has shown problems and can be connected to the games then the parient should be looking at abuse or neglect charges.Now I have nothing against a background check to be able to buy a gun.It must never become a gun regerastration kind of thing at all.

  • Christopher Hatch

    The number of mass shootings is about 22 give or take 5 for every year since 1976. Its the same every year. It does not go up as PacMan becomes Call of Duty over that time. No correlation. The data comes from FBI Uniformed Crime Statistics – here is aa link to the graph. They count mass shooting as anything 4 or more. The recent california shooting wont make the cut for this graph since only 3 shot. The graph is the line graph before the state graph. http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/dataondemand/165757356.html

  • Krimsen King

    it wasn’t a claim, friend, just an impression :)

  • Krimsen King

    hahaha or you could just ask.. I don’t understand why you need the assumptions… sheesh

  • Anonymous

    And thank you for your moronic, erroneous reasoning.

  • Anonymous

    Since when do “impressions” use specific numbers? Nice try.

  • OpenMinded

    Ok , since you disagree please submit either links to believeable sources or documents. I will read plausible facts showing this.

  • Elena

    Could have come up with similar quotes fm both Hitler on the Jews and other “undesirable” people in his bizarro world and fm Mohammad on his equally unhinged view of women.

  • Krimsen King

    I tried nothing.. and used no specific numbers… a new one every week is not a specific number.. please stop arguing for the sake of argument.. it is just too postmodern…

  • Anonymous

    Your whining, on the other hand, even more clearly defines which side you stand on. Thanks for clarifying that for us.

  • Krimsen King

    my ‘whining’???? about a regularity of mass shootings and murders????? yes, what a crybaby I am……… good nightners, friend, where has your humanity gone??????

  • Anonymous

    I notice that you still can’t name those shootings, but continue to claim that they exist. Please…enlighten all of us with actual fact or stop whining about what can’t be supported. You wanting it to be true doesn’t, in any way constitute fact. Good little leftist…

  • Krimsen King

    eventually you must begin to realize that anyone you believe you disagree with is not necessarily a ‘leftist’ hahaha good grief… have you watched ANY news stories in the past year.. there is a new crazed gunman at least every month, if not every week.. again, like I said, it was a mere impression, not a statement of fact. Good lord…

  • Anonymous

    If you don’t want to be known as a leftist then stop coming down on their side of the issues. And so far as your claims, I have yet to read ANY substantiation of those claims through documented fact. You only continue to make the claim without those facts. Without that, you’re a mindless leftist crank. Continue to avoid fact all you want. It only proves the point that you not only do not know what you’re talking about, but you’re too lazy or uneducated to research and substantiate your claims. Let me know if you ever decide to rise to the challenge. Until then, you can bluster all you want about what you believe you hear on the news, but here’s some news for you, genius…that’s not fact, it’s just what you want to be true. Those of us who choose to live in reality don’t try to sway an argument with our “feelings”. You’ve shown yourself to be incapable of that level of discourse.

  • Krimsen King

    AGAIN….. IT WAS NOT A “CLAIM”… IT WAS AN “IMPRESSION”… I’m not trying to ‘sway’ anyone.. I merely made ONE statement that YOU cannot seem to understand.. Are you really arguing that we don’t have any mass shootings, or that they are so infrequent as to justify this “every man for himself” attitude??? good grief, no, I don’t care to look up and research when every single mass shooting has occurred so I can report them to you.. I am not a reporter and you are so clearly on a “side” that any facts regarding the level of mass shootings would be fodder for your ridiculous rationalizations of your ‘side’s’ positions… maybe stop trying to see these ‘sides’ and you may be able to think alittle more clearly for yourself ;)

  • Anonymous

    You just don’t seem to get it that claiming that there is a mass killing every week without substantiating any of it IS a specific number. In case you never learned that in your public school, there are 52 weeks in a year. Perhaps if you actually took the time to research the facts instead of trying to play a position with no justification, just your “feelings”, you’d have a clue. As it is, you simply look like a fool, and a lazy fool at that since you obviously have no idea what you’re talking about and have no intention of actually researching the subject you are so willing to weigh in on. I HAVE researched it. I DO know what I’m talking about. That’s why I’ve taken the position that I do. Your laziness doesn’t make you a more reasonable person, just completely, hopelessly ignorant.

  • Krimsen King

    hate to break it to ya, but ‘feelings’ are a huge part of humanity, and extremely necessary to it.. but since you are so educated on the subject, what do you classify as a ‘mass shooting’ and how many have there been in the past five years? I am curious, but as you said, very lazy. Also, what is this ‘position’ you claim to have?

  • Anonymous

    You first, genius. I’m not playing this game. You made the claim. YOU back it up. Or just continue to embrace your feelings as a “source” of information. You majored in philosophy, didn’t you? Or did you even go to college? It’s obvious you don’t understand the simplest concept of sourcing. All I’m hearing is you’re too lazy to back up your claim and now you want me to define what a mass killing is? How about YOU define what a mass killing is since you’re the one who made the claim that it happens 52 times a year? Then you can include the list to back it up. Want to play, then you do your own groundwork for your claim and then we’ll have something to talk about that’s actually based on logic and fact. If you want to talk about something that is your feeling, then don’t throw out numbers that can’t be substantiated. Especially if you’re too moronic to understand that a philosophical discussion is not the same thing as a discussion based on hard numbers. Mixing the two can only be done when the groundwork has been laid with factual information, but so far, all I’ve seen from you is just repetition of the same number without a shred of evidence to back it up, then trying to claim that number is just your “feelings”. Get a clue, then you can get in touch.

  • Krimsen King

    I am playing no games, certainly not the macabre one of comparing ‘statistical data’ on brutal murders.. again, I MADE NO CLAIM.. I said it felt like a new one every week.. it is an expression that used to be somewhat common.. yes, probably an exaggeration, but if we count any murders of more than one person with a gun, maybe not that much of one.. again, I am not just too lazy, but maybe too human to want to research the number and severity of gruesome mass shootings.. you, however, DID claim to be ‘educated’ on the subject. I was merely asking if you knew, you could’ve just said ‘no’.. and apparently, far from caring to enlighten me on the subject, you only care to insult and dismiss.. also, you still haven’t said anything about this ‘position’ you claim to have… why don’t you give me a clue.. hahahaha