Why did Glenn compare Edward Snowden to Luke Skywalker?

In an interview with NBC News’ Brian Williams, former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden spoke out about why he is still in Russia, why he believes he is neither a hero nor a traitor, and the extent of the surveillance capability of the U.S. government. After seeing several parts of the interview last night, Glenn could not help but have a more positive opinion of Snowden. On radio this morning, Glenn played parts of the interview and debated Snowden’s credibility.

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“I don’t know if you saw Brian Williams’ interview with Edward Snowden last night, but that was one hour of absolutely compelling television. And if it didn’t raise the hair on the back of your neck… nothing will,” Glenn said. “I don’t want to endorse the guy because you never know about people anymore. You just don’t know. But… if I had to choose, based just on the interview last night, [I think he is a] patriot.”

When it comes to why Snowden is in Russia, he explained he never meant to end up in the country. He had booked a flight to Latin America via Cuba, but the U.S. government revoked his passport before he was able to board a plane in Moscow. Furthermore, Snowden said he is not a Russian spy, and he is not working for the Russian government.

Snowden told Williams that he would like to return to the U.S. He misses his family, his friends, and even his job, but he refuses to “walk into a jail cell.”

On Wednesday, Secretary of State John Kerry called Snowden a fugitive and urged him to “man up and come back to the United States.”

“If he cares so much about America and he believes in America,” Kerry said, “he should trust the American system of justice.”

“I will tell you, if I were him, I wouldn’t come home,” Glenn said. “Because I know what this Administration does… to whistleblowers, which is something else he covered last night.”

After being asked why he chose to go about releasing all of the information in the way that he did, Snowden said he attempted to ring the bell within the NSA, but his concerns were rebuffed.

“I actually did go through channels, and that is documented,” Snowden asserted. “The NSA has records, they have copies of emails right now to their Office of General Counsel, to their oversight and compliance folks, from me raising concerns about the NSA’s interpretations of its legal authorities… The response more or less, in bureaucratic language, was, ‘You should stop asking questions.’”

While the NSA claims there is no evidence of a paper trail, NBC talked to “two U.S. officials who have read an email sent by Snowden to the NSA’s Office of General Counsel on April 5, 2013, a month before he stopped working as an NSA contractor, said the message – the only email found to date, they say – questioned agency policies and practices.”

One of the most interesting parts of the interview came when Snowden detailed the capabilities of U.S. surveillance techniques.

“The NSA, the Russian intelligence service, the Chinese intelligence service, any intelligence service in the world that has significant funding and a real technological research team can own that phone… as soon as you turn it on, it can be theirs,” Snowden said. “They can turn it into a microphone, they can take pictures from it, they can take data off of it.”

He did clarify, however, that such surveillance is “typically done on a targeted basis.”
When asked by Williams if the government could turn on a phone remotely if it’s off, Snowden said “yes.” He answered the same way when asked if they can turn on apps or access Google history.

“It was a pretty chilling thing and what people don’t want to think about is the president says that they’re not spying on individuals and that’s not happening. Well, the president has said a lot of things aren’t happening that are happening,” Glenn concluded. “I don’t think NBC set out to make this guy look good… I don’t think the Death Star set out to make Luke Skywalker look like a good guy. But that’s how it came out last night.”

You can watch more highlights of the interview at NBCNews.com.

  • Nick Oz

    glenn beck is a Mormon his god is elohim elohim is the fallen angels the
    elohim gave us Judaism and Mormonism the elohim are the demonic gray
    aliens that crashed at Roswell beware this is the NWO zionist mormons please beware

  • Crassus

    Poor Glenn. I see he’s still devastated that the traitorous punk Snowden didn’t make Time magazine’s Man of the Year.

  • Anonymous

    Aren’t you smart. We don’t know if the guy is a traitor yet. There is still much to know. We do know one thing for sure from his revelations, our government is subverting the constitution. Obliterating our rights. Maybe he came out the wrong way. Maybe there was a better way. Only he would know cause he knows the NSA capabilities.

  • Anonymous

    Nick, your comments are disingenuous – Your life didn’t begin at birth and it won’t end at death. Before you came to earth, your spirit lived with Heavenly Father (Elohim) who created you. You knew Him, and He knew and loved you. It was a happy time during which you were taught God’s plan of happiness and the path to true joy. But just as most of us leave our home and parents when we grow up, God knew you needed to do the same. He knew you couldn’t progress unless you left for a while. So he allowed you to come to earth to experience the joy—as well as pain—of a physical body.

    God’s plan for you is beautiful and simple. He wants you to have joy and to become more like Him.

    That doesn’t mean He expects you to be perfect. He knows you won’t be. But He does expect that while you’re here on earth you try to the best of your ability to be more like Him and that you learn and grow from your mistakes.

    Your mistakes might be as simple as hurting your friend’s feelings, or a sin far more serious. Seeing the pain we’ve caused and feeling the misery of remorse, shame and guilt can sometimes be overwhelming and devastating. We wonder if we can ever overcome our mistakes and feel the peace of being forgiven. We unequivocally can, because of the Atonement of Jesus Christ and the process of repentance. We can confess our sins to God and ask His forgiveness.

    https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bd/god.p2?lang=eng&letter=g

  • Mastafing

    Edward Snowden is an American Patriot. He exposed the “machine’ that people like myself have been mocked for saying existed for the last decade. He gave us the proof that other whistle blowers whos lives were ruined had spoken of, but had no documentation to confirm. It began under Clinton, took leaps and bounds under Bush, and has skyrocketed under the current POTUS. No amount of intel gathered, no amount of lives potentially saved, justifies the trampling of our Civil Rights. If you want to live in a surveillance state in the name of “protecting” yourself, I’m sure China would be glad to have you. Secret courts, secret interpretation of law, is the end of Liberty. Die on your feet, or live on your knees……I’ll stand thanks.

  • S Clarkson

    John Kerry telling someone to “Man up” is like Peter Pan telling someone to “Grow up”

  • RedMeatState

    Snoiwden exposes unlawful actions by the NSA and the Federal Government, abuses of power and Constitutional violations, and somehow he’s the bad guy??

  • RedMeatState

    I’m getting a restraining order on you!

  • Anonymous

    Whew! I thought Glenn was not going to comment on this. A poll was taken this morning on NBC with people before the show and after on whether Snowden was a traitor or patriot. Before, over 50% said traitor, after 60% said patriot. The government painted him as a high school dropout, low level administrator and failure at all his endeavors. Okay, let’s say that the gov’t was telling the truth. Then how did he have high security clearance, how did he have these professional careers and above all, how did he obtain all these traitorous and damaging documents? Not one shred of evidence has been put forth showing the damage he has inflicted. We have not been turned upside down, attacked, compromised. Also, our security is so weak that this “high school dropout” was able to inflitrate the system at the highest levels. He did go to his superiors and colleagues. Where were they? Did they turn him in? When he sent that ONE email that NBC obtained, what did the government do? How did he get out of the country? They did know he was leaving and diverted him to Russia or at the very least allowed him to get there? Do you trust our government? Quit attacking the messenger and look at what he accomplished as a 30 year old employee. Patriot or Traitor he saw the documents, downloaded them, told superiors about it and left the country. All under the noses of our government. PS…if you’re going to comment keep on subject. Snowden, documents, the government. Not Glenn, Mormonism, etc. Not relevant.

  • Anonymous

    The statement by Kerry made me laugh. If the government took a poll on whether or not they trusted the government I believe it would be an overwhelming NO. Look at all aspects from the VA to the Post Office, to the IRS scandal. They cannot get anything right or anything done. No matter who is in office. We are a train wreck. The sad part is the media sits there in silence. The reporting is all about mundane or graphic junk day in and day out. On FB not one person commented on this interview. What does that say about our country?

  • TheFatJesus

    From the interviews I have seen, I don’t really like him that much. He just comes off as arrogant and self-important. But I think his actions were right. And I can’t wait for everything to drop.

  • Anonymous

    Snowden has been made to look like a criminal, but I am sure that to the British, looked at Paul Revere as a criminal. He informed the Americans of what was coming, and I feel that in time we will look at Snowden as a Paul Revere of our time.

  • Michael G Brotherton

    Traitor. Plenty more “channels” he could have gone through other than releasing the information that he did. Don’t be buffaloed. He even admitted “…done on a targeted basis”. No, really? Look people, don’t be so stupid as to believe that everything is “better” when the government is denied the ability to conduct surveillance…. Russia, China and a host of others will gladly fill the gap left by the NSA. Better ours be the best than theirs. Don’t like it, tough. Find those who have ABUSED the abilities at the NSA and hold THEM accountable. Blanket condemnation of the NSA is outright stupidity.

  • Mike Nelson

    Ironically, Peter Pan rather does act like an adult, take personal responsibility, lead others from the front, care for his “flock”, and decisively oppose evil.

    Then again, John Kerry DID throw a grenade at himself and put others at risk before throwing them under the bus in pursuit of power. Yolo, right?

  • Michael G Brotherton

    “Not one shred of evidence has been put forth showing the damage he has inflicted.” Nonsense, He signed under oath a host of NDA agreements with the USG and he released a LOT of highly classified information. He knew the consequences as well as the weight of his actions.

  • Anonymous

    Are you freaking serious. I am not a Mormon but I live among them and honestly you are way off base on this one. Most are decent ,family folks who don’t bother you and when they do interact they are warm and friendly. We all have our beliefs or non beliefs and if your beliefs make you a better person on earth then somebody is doing something right and the LDS do a dam good job at running the state of Utah which, God himself has done a great job of making so beautiful. So knock of the stupidity re the Mormons.

  • Anonymous

    Hey Oz, come out of wonderland and see the real world. Glenn’s faith has nothing to do with Snowden’s exposing the illegal spying on American citizens by our own government.

  • Anonymous

    Snowden is a patriot….period. The lemmings who call themselves Americans and think he is a traitor will be the first to led to the slaughter. It will be just like the Jews that trusted Hitler. I am former military and I don’t trust this administration and this government at all. They are a corrupt and traitorous regime and should be dealt with accordingly.

  • Stuffed Llama

    I want Edward Snowden for President in 2016. I know there’s an age problem, but I have it on good authority the State of Hawaii can fix that for us.

  • Adam Hunsucker

    isnt it supposed to be die on your feet or live on your knees?

  • Deb Levey

    Some men are born for greatness…others have greatness thrust upon them. I believe Snowden falls in the latter group. May God guide him, protect him and bestow upon him that peace referenced in Philippians 4:17.

  • S Clarkson

    Good point Mike. My apologies to Peter Pan. Maybe we should make him Secretary of State and ship John Kerry to Neverland :)

  • Mastafing

    Yep, that’s what happens when you’re in a hurry and don’t proofread your post ;)

  • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

    He is more like a Jar Jar than a Luke.

  • Mastafing

    That would be fine if we had any way to hold them accountable…we didn’t. Now we do. Without the leaked Mass Warrant docs, there could be no legal standing. Now there is. Do you know how many other whistle blowers there have been who went through proper channels? Snowden does. He researched it before he made his decision. Read Glenn Greenwald’s work, Snowden saw how the others lives were destroyed by the powers that be wanting to silence them. He’s more Jefferson in nerdy glasses, not John Walker Jr in loafers….

  • Lindsay Haisley

    The time will come when Edward Snowden will be hailed as one of the heroes of our time. He has done liberty and freedom a great service.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntLsElbW9Xo FreedomTrickle

    Glenn certainly looks like a CIA cheerleader sometimes

  • Mike Nelson

    As long as we can put a clock in him, first!

    (God help me… ;)

  • Chris

    I have a simple question for you Glenn: if Snowden is telling the truth about all the sinister things the NSA is doing, how come not a single one of the other 40,000+ people who work for the NSA (either as employees, contractors, or US service members who support the NSA) has come forward and confirmed what he has said?

    In less than a month, a single revelation about abuse at a single VA hospital has exploded into an official investigation of over 40 hospitals because as soon as one whistleblower came forward, dozens (hundreds?) of others felt empowered to follow suit. That’s because there is an actual scandal there.

    If there was an actual scandal at the NSA, *someone* (in addition to the guy who did untold damage to our intelligence gathering capabilities) would have said something by now. The only other option is to believe that those 40,000 people are *all* (every single last one of them) sinister agents of an evil empire.

    Glenn, I agree with about 95% of what you say, but you are so far off the mark on this one that it is damaging your credibility. Did you watch that interview? Snowden worked as an undercover spy for the CIA *and* the NSA? Seriously? The guy is delusional. Or, he’s Jack Ryan. I’m going with delusional. You should, too. It’s a much safer bet…

  • Mastafing

    Wow, delusional…if that isn’t the pot calling the kettle black.

  • resident

    i like your version better it fits

  • resident

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    eˈlōhim,ˌelōˈhēm,ˌelōˈhim/
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  • Chris

    That’s your explanation for why no one has confirmed Snowden’s accusations? I’m delusional? Wow. You must have trained on a debate team. You’re good.

  • http://rightontheleftcoast.wordpress.com/ Anonymous

    Guys, why even try to reason with someone telling you to beware of “demonic gray aliens”? This is not a situation where reasoned discussion is going to be effective. Flag it and move on.

  • Mastafing

    Have you ever read the Constitution? The President’s own “blue ribbon” panel of experts he put together to advise him on the NSA programs after Snowden exposed them, said that they ALSO believed the Mass Warrants were unconstitutional and he needed to end them. That alone my friend, is proof that Snowden wasn’t only not delusional, he was 100% correct.

  • http://suzeraining.wordpress.com/ suz

    …and when snowden says “….even if you have done nothing wrong, this information will be ‘misinterpreted…” — i contend they/gov. will intentionally misinterpret it for their purposes.
    ___
    i wish glenn would never start a sentence w/the phrase ‘let’s take the president at his word’ because he must know how ridiculous that sounds — to the extent that we simply cannot ever take bho at his words. silly to mention? not at all. this is where we are.

    williams included all the helpful information from snowden that was detrimental to the bush admin. i’m surprised glenn didn’t mention the possibility chunks of info. detrimental to bho might be left out.

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  • Anonymous

    “if Snowden is telling the truth about all the sinister things the NSA is doing, how come not a single one of the other 40,000+ people who work for the NSA (either as employees, contractors, or US service members who support the NSA) has come forward and confirmed what he has said?”

    I’ll tell you why. Would you speak out if you saw what they have done to Snowden?

    I still cant figure out if I consider him a patriot or a traitor. I do think he has proven himself to know and understand more than our government was willing to admit. He released so much information that corroborated what he was saying after the NSA and our government tried painting him as uneducated and delusional.

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  • Chris

    To answer your question, yes. And, so would most of people I know who work at NSA. You would probably be surprised how many of them are libertarians and how many of them follow Glenn. Also, keep in mind that “they” did not do anything to Snowden until he committed acts of high treason.

    And, yes, a lot of what Snowden has said is true, but a lot of it is not. NSA cannot comment on what is what without doing even further damage to its ability to perform its function. I have no idea how formally educated or uneducated the man is (and since one can educate oneself with literacy and a local library, it matters little).

    But, his statement (without any corroborating evidence) that he worked as an undercover spy for both the CIA and NSA was absolutely unbelievable. Really? Details, Mr. Snowden. What country did you perform these services in? What name were you operating under? It isn’t like you have to protect yourself from discovery–you are already one of the most famous faces in the world…

    Delusional. Or just lying.

  • Anonymous

    ^Paid government troll^
    (Chris)
    This is what counter-intelligence, (counter to the prevailing power’s agenda) looks like.

    Look for it. Point it out to others but don’t debate with it.

  • Guest

    I am not trolling at all. To accuse someone who has a different perspective, and who has simply asked a probing question, of trolling (and, no less, of doing as an agent of the government) is ungrounded, uncalled for, and nothing more than a smoke screen. Either you have something of value to contribute to this thread or you are one trolling.

    And, I have no idea what the rest of your comment is supposed to mean. Is the “it” in your last two sentences supposed to be referring to “trolling,” “counter-intelligence,” or a “prevailing power’s agenda?” I’d try to comment in a more intelligent fashion on the latter portion of your post, but I cannot make heads or tails of it.

  • Chris

    I am not trolling at all. To accuse someone who has a different perspective, and who has simply asked a probing question, of trolling (and, no less, of doing it as an agent of the government) is ungrounded, uncalled for, and nothing more than a smoke screen. Either you have something of value to contribute to this thread or you are one trolling.

    And, I have no idea what the rest of your comment is supposed to mean. Is the “it” in your last two sentences supposed to be referring to “trolling,” “counter-intelligence,” or a “prevailing power’s agenda?” I’d try to comment in a more intelligent fashion on the latter portion of your post, but I cannot make heads or tails of it.

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  • Anonymous

    NSA ===National Spy Agency on Americans

  • Mastafing

    Neither, he’s a man laying it all out there for the world to see. The man is far to smart to think it won’t be checked, researched. He’ll have documents to prove it somewhere down the line when he feels the time is right. This guy plays chess, not checkers….

  • Clinton Pando

    Although Snowden meant well, why not release the info to American news agencies? He didn’t he went outside the county. He knew the job he was doing and did it for a long time years in fact. It is very possible that he is very intelligent and sent the e-mails and made the internal attempts knowing what his end game was going to be. If he has so much faith what he did was right he should come home and face it. Until he does that I am undecided but lean toward traitor as I don’t think a Patriot would have fled the country through several countries that are “hostile” towards us. Russia, Cuba, etc If he meant to end up in South America he didn’t have to go to Russia then Cuba to get there. I guess only time will tell.

  • agadofive.leti

    Snowden is smart not to trust our government. He’s smart not to trust the media who is in the government’s back pocket.

  • agadofive.leti

    God wants us to become more like him, but not Him. We’re never going to be a God.

  • Chris

    Okay, that’s a possibility. But, if his motives are what he claims that they are–to look out for the American people and protect the Constitution–why is he playing anything at all? Why be coy with the facts? Why not just put it all out there?

    He’s in Russia, it’s not like Obama is going to order a drone strike against him there. If he had fled to someplace like Yemen that might have been a possibility. He has no need to play chess or checkers (or whatever else he might be playing) with claims of being a super-spy.

    He’s already released a ton of damaging material, and he claims he gave up everything he had to reporters when he fled the country. So, why is he trying to tango?

  • Chris

    We can have an argument about whether Snowden is a hero or not. The argument about whether he is a traitor is over. He released critical details about US information gathering techniques and capabilities to the world (which included our enemies). He has deliberately caused irreparable harm to our capacity to find out what our enemies are doing. That is treason. There is no other (rational) way to interpret such actions.

    You must believe that either 1) revealing how we obtain information or what information we can obtain does not impact the behavior of nefarious actors who are trying to hide what they are doing from us or 2) that America has no enemies in the world, in order for Snowden’s actions to *not* constitute treason. Both of those beliefs are demonstrably false.

  • Mastafing

    Personal opinion? I believe he understands the depths that certain members of government are willing to sink to in order to discredit or quash him. Let me ask you this Chris…Think about how much money that information was/is worth. Think about what he COULD have done, and didn’t. Do you know how many countries would’ve given him anything he desired in this world? He isn’t Benedict Arnold. The internal fortitude it took for him to do this, is rarely seen in our falling Republic. He turned it over to journalists in public, not to China in secret…..I’d ask you to reconsider your position, the man is an American Patriot.

  • Chris

    Though I am not persuaded that Snowden is a hero, I realize that some others are. The question of whether or not Snowden is a hero for revealing secret government spying and protecting the Constitutional rights of Americans is something we can debate. Whether or not Snowden committed treason is open and shut. It is important to note that the two are not mutually exclusive.

    Snowden revealed to the entire world capabilities and techniques of American intelligence gathering. This has had the predictable effect of alerting those about whom we were attempting to gain information (because they are desirous of committing nefarious acts against America) as to how they might avoid such surveillance. This means our intelligence suffers and it endangers the lives of Americans.

    This is not some phantom menace, as Snowden suggests. “Oh, they’re just saying that–they said the same thing about the Pentagon Papers.” No, Gen. Alexander was very specific about *how* we know that Snowden has damaged our national security and that we do, in fact, *know* that his act has damaged it. He wasn’t simply postulating an ephemeral possibility.

    Consider for a moment the fact that America had no heads up that Russia was about to go into the Crimean peninsula. We found out about it when it started happening. It’s a coincidence that only months after Snowden told the world what NSA was capable of, that the Russians figured out how to get around it?

    The reason why so much of what NSA learns is so highly classified is not because the information that is gained is in itself that sensitive, but because by knowing what has been collected and what has not, our capabilities and methods are revealed to those on whom we want to collect. When that happens, those enemies are given the opportunity to change their methods and to foil US collection attempts.

    Snowden *knew* that such would be a consequence of his revelations. He could not not have known that. He knew that his actions would cause irreparable harm to the NSA’s ability to perform its function of gathering foreign intelligence. He decided that the damage was worth it. That the nobility of what he was doing justified the harm that he would do.

    Willfully damaging the ability of our government to protect its citizens against threats (which is one of the few legitimate functions of the federal government) is treason. There is no way around that.

    So, you can argue that he is a hero for what he has done. However, you cannot argue that he is not a traitor for what he has done.

  • Mastafing

    I’ve never used the word hero. I don’t do “hero” worship. The man is an American Patriot. He did NOT commit treason, he reported treason being committed upon the American people. When the Declaration of Independence was signed, every man who signed it was labeled a traitor, and a bounty laid upon them. Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Samuel Adams, etc…etc…If they were alive today and saw what had become of their country, they’d be the first in line to raise a militia. They’d be patriots….Now we are in a different time, and the tactics needed may not be revolution, but what Snowden has done- would seem very Patriotic, yet very tame to them. I CAN argue he isn’t a traitor. Our government has blatantly, (attempted in secret), trampled our Civil Rights. Anything that may come for what Snowden has exposed, is on their heads, not Edward Snowden.

    “An ELECTIVE DESPOTISM was not the government we fought for; but one which should not only be founded on free principles, but in which the powers of government should be so divided and balanced among several bodies of magistracy, as that no one could transcend their legal
    limits, without being effectually checked and restrained by the others.”- James Madison- Federalist No. 48, February 1, 1788

    Secret courts and secret interpretation of Constitutional law are an abomination, a complete treasonous betrayal of our Republic. Edward Snowden is an American Patriot.

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    Daniel Ellsberg called Kerry despicable.

    “Come into my parlor said the spider to the fly.”

    Snowden would get no better treatment than Chelsea Manning if he returned to the United States.

    We don’t elect a government the government runs the same no matter who is elected. The figurehead at the top is like the homecoming queen, all they do is wave to the crowd.

    Kerry wouldn’t have done anything different than Bush or Hillary Clinton.

  • Anonymous

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  • Anonymous

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    https:www.lds;org/topics/becoming-like-god?lang=eng

  • agadofive.leti

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    ——————————–TOM CLANCY?

  • Chris

    Hero = patriot in my last post. Yes, I am already familiar with why you think Snowden is a patriot. I disagree with your assessment because our government has *not* trampled our civil rights. There is *no* evidence that *any* foreign intelligence agency of the US government has been systematically violating the rights of Americans beyond the collection of call metadata, which I (and the Congress, and the Executive branch of at least the last two administrations, and the Supreme Court) do not view as a violation of the 4th Amendment because no personally identifiable information is attached to the metadata.

    So, 1) you have no *proof* of the widespread government abuse you (and Snowden) use to justify his actions, only your own conviction that it is happening, and 2) his actions undeniably harmed the ability of the US government to protect its citizens. Dress that up however you like. It’s treason.

  • John Kenner

    Today’s liberalism is no different than its marxist, socialist, and communist ancestors.

  • Chris
  • Mastafing

    Really? The entire Mass Warrant issue just zoomed past you? The Supreme Court has NOT OK’d it. Until Snowden leaked the Verizon Mass Warrant there was no standing, meaning nobody could prove they’d been harmed, that their rights had been violated. There are NOW pending lawsuits working their way through the system to SCOTUS-Including Senator Rand Paul’s….. Hell FORGET the Mass Warrants, they’ve ADMITTED they did it without them as well! James Clapper himself said the NSA performed warrantless searches on Americans’ calls and emails…Data collected under ‘Prism’ and ‘Upstream’ programs. I repeat:

    Secret courts and secret interpretation of Constitutional law are an abomination, a complete treasonous betrayal of our Republic. Edward Snowden is an American Patriot.

  • Chris

    Yes, you have already repeated your manifesto several times in this thread. However, repetition does not = truth. And metadata does not = personally identifiable information.

    If the NSA has been routinely violating the privacy of hundreds of millions of Americans, as is asserted by Snowden and yourself, surely you can provide me with the name of at least one specific American you have evidence has had his or her calls listened to by the NSA. Or, the content of his or her email read by the NSA. Who is it?

    After all, I should not be able to swing a bat without hitting one. Why can’t Snowden give me the name of a single victim? I know, I know: because the NSA is listening to *all* of us. 40,000 NSA employees are monitoring the communications of 330,000,000 Americans? Whatever.

    Protecting its citizens is one of the (few) legitimate responsibilities of government. And, yet, you would have our government attempt to do that with its arms tied behind its back. FISA was passed for a reason. There is a system in place to monitor what NSA is doing without giving up critical information about how we do it. That’s what the FISA court system is there for.

    There is no systemic abuse of the system. All Snowden revealed was our capabilities. He cannot provide the name of a single specific person who was targeted by NSA. Not one. Because there isn’t one. But, based on his act of treason, you insist on our government giving up its duty to protect us based on evidence of its ability to protect us.

    The NSA provides America with vital intelligence necessary to protect its citizens and their interests in a dangerous and hostile world. It does not spy on Americans. If it did, Snowden would have evidence of that, instead of just revealing our abilities to our enemies.

    Should the Army disband also? It could turn on innocent Americans with its nuclear arsenal tomorrow! How can we tolerate that! When does the madness stop? As I asked at the very beginning of my first post, if Snowden’s allegations of widespread abuse are true, how come not a single person has come forward to confirm that? Not one.

  • Mastafing

    You need to read the news my friend, Glenn Greenwald announced this past week he’s releasing the list of Americans the NSA has spied on. You need to take a step back and listen, not just espouse reactionary defense. You also just blew right past the fact that James Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence, admitted the NSA had spied on US Citizens WITHOUT A WARRANT. You want proof? There it is. Don’t believe me? The televised clips of his Congressional Testimony are widely available.

    Democratic Sens. Ron Wyden of Oregon and Mark Udall of Colorado said in a joint statement. “However,
    the facts show that those suggestions were misleading, and that intelligence agencies have indeed conducted warrantless searches on Americans communications.”-That is directly from the AP-Associated Press.

    So is this:

    “The Obama administration has conducted warrantless searches of Americans’ communications as part of the National Security Agency’s surveillance operations.”- AP

    Manifesto? No. I have no bias or doctrine but truth. It may surprise you to hear that I completely agree with you on your statement:
    “The NSA provides America with vital intelligence necessary to protect its citizens and their interests in a dangerous and hostile world.” 100% agree.

    I’m not talking about them as if they’re all traitors, they serve a very important part of the American Defense. They’ve as an agency however, crossed some very serious lines. Snowden himself in the interview said that most of the men/women of the NSA do great, important work.

    Just because we believe in their work doesn’t mean we have to put blinders on to the abuses which are clearly documented now. Take them off, it doesn’t mean you aren’t a patriot if you question some of their mistakes….It in fact is a piece of the definition of a Patriot to question your government. It’s actually your duty.