Glenn reflects on the death of actress Ann B. Davis of The Brady Bunch

On Sunday, Ann B. Davis, the Emmy award-winning actress who became America’s most famous housekeeper playing Alice Nelson on The Brady Bunch, died at a San Antonio hospital. She was 88. There was a lot of news to cover this morning, but Glenn chose to open the radio program reflecting on the era Davis and her beloved character represented. While it is nice to be nostalgic – especially given what is going on in the world today – Glenn highlighted some of the strides we have made.

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“I want to start with the death of Ann B. Davis,” Glenn said. “And I know that’s not where anyone else will start. But Ann B. Davis died.”

“That’s probably not, like, where Rush will start today,” Pat joked.

While Davis’ passing may not be the most newsworthy story of the day, Glenn found himself quite nostalgic when he heard of her death.

“The reason why this struck me is because of the times that we’re living in,” Glenn said. “The moment that I heard this, it was just a very small moment, and it was more of just a passing thought, but I wanted to have this passing thought with you. I miss those days. I miss those days. Everything is changing, and I don’t want it to.”

On Sunday, Glenn was on his way to church with Tania and the kids, and he was talking to his daughter Cheyenne about the days in which cars were not equipped with TV sets and tricked out speaker systems.

“She looked at me and said, ‘Dad, what did you guys look at?’ I’m having this conversation with my daughter who I’m now realizing has far too much stuff in her life, and I said, ‘I don’t know? The outside.’ That was my answer. Tania’s answer was ‘each other,’” Glenn explained. “This is at a time when we spent more time in our cars saying, ‘Mom, she hit me.’ ‘No, I didn’t’… We spent more time listening to my father threaten to pull the car over… We listened. We fought. And because of that, we also spent a ton of time in silence. Silence. Does silence even exist in our lives anymore?”

In retrospect, it is easy to characterize those days as ‘simpler times’ in which the distractions of technology didn’t exist. But when Glenn really began to think about the state of the world in the 1960s and 1970s, he realized how far from idyllic those days really were.

“Things were simpler. But were they? I mean The Brady Bunch made things look that way, but I didn’t know anybody who lived in the house like The Brady Bunch had. I don’t know anybody who had the life that the Bradys had. I don’t know anybody who had an Ann B. Davis at their housekeeper. I didn’t know anybody who had a housekeeper,” Glenn recalled. “And the Bradys were in a time when our president was being impeached. We were fighting a war that we couldn’t win in Vietnam. There were hippies, drugs, and the Manson family. Oh, and The Brady Bunch. What was so good about that time?”

In thinking about that period in our nation’s history, Glenn couldn’t help but think of the words of Don McLean’s American Pie. While Glenn had always dismissed the song as a tribute to the day Buddy Holly died, he realized – while listening to the song yesterday – that it was actually recognition that the American we knew was gone. And it wasn’t coming back.

“I really listened to the words. I’m an old deejay. I played that song a million times, and a million times I said, ‘Oh, that’s about the day Buddy Holly died,’ which it’s not. It’s not. It’s about the 1960s revolution,” Glenn explained. “The music was this optimism. The music that he’s talking about is this belief that things are gonna get better, this belief that we can change the world. And what happened? The 1960s radicals tore us apart. And because of that, everything we knew, American Pie, is gone. He knew back in 1970 that the America he knew was never coming back, and it never did.”

The America represented by The Brady Bunch and Davis is also over. But that’s the way it should be.

“The reason why I think this is important to start this foundation today is because once we understand: Yes, the America that we know and we even knew five or six years ago is gone. It’s dead. It’s over,” Glenn said. “When we couple that with, ‘as it should be,’ then we can stop desperately trying to hang on to the past, which was never as golden as we remember.”

“What are we gonna do with our time now? Worry? Fret? Fight? Call for violence? Cry over a housekeeper we didn’t even know and wasn’t real,” he continued. “Or do we have the courage to… remember those times in perspective, and then put our nose down and go back to plowing a new field, planting the seeds, and preparing to reap the next great American harvest?”

Front page image courtesy of the AP

  • Moozmom

    The 1950′s were the best because nobody had much of anything. Families were just trying to survive after WWII. All we had were each other and THAT was better.

  • Craig Daliessio

    This very topic is what my book is about. Glenn I would LOVE to send you a copy. I miss those days too. http://www.amazon.com/Remembering-America-Looking-Back-Innocent/dp/0984533664/ref=tmm_pap_title_0

  • J August

    So many cellphones, iphones, etc. We’re forgetting how to interact with each other on a personal level. Technology is breeding a generation of idiots.

  • JimM

    So tired of this rant. Technology is not breeding a generation of idiots. Because of technology, this generation is smarter, more educated, and more informed of the world around them than older generations have ever been. Cellphones have broadened communication between people, not hindered it. I wonder if the older generation thought this way when the telephone land line was introduced. Probably.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not sure Glenn was being very respectful to the memory of Ann Davis herself. He used her as a metaphor instead. And, Glenn, I knew American Pie was about losing the America we used to know. I consider you a wise man but you gave more credit to the day Buddy Holly died than the day Ann Davis died. Maybe, in the end, it all doesn’t matter that much.

  • Anonymous

    No, this generation is not more educated than any other generation and is probably less informed about the world. It’s bred a generation that hides within itself and is taking previous generations with it. I love technology but I don’t let it dominate my life as so many others do.

  • J August

    More educated? That may be the case. But are they WISER? That can even be argued. As for landlines, such technology was developed out of necessity. And I would admit that even today’s tech was developed out of some necessity. But I submit that it has become an addiction. And that is where the idiocy comes in. No different than someone who spends too much time watching TV, or too much time on the internet, or too much time yakking on a telephone..

  • J August

    I would like to see where this generation is smarter and more educated.

  • Linda Newell

    Anyone that thinks that this generation is smarter and more educated than previous has not talked to people under the age of 25. Our oldest granddaughter knows that the education system failed her. She is very smart is is putting herself through school but admits that there was very little history taught in K-12. And the math and science she was taught is not nearly enough to make it in college without her spending extra time on her own. I saw the problem with the education system when our oldest was in 4th grade. I chose to homeschool from that point and taught our 5 children as well as about 18 others during the time. The school system had labeled our 2 boys as special needs kids for which the school got double the money from the state. Our boys were stuck in classes where they watched movies and drew pictures or took care of the younger kids in the class while the teachers read or talked to other teachers. All 5 of our children are very successful and have gone far in their careers. I found that contrary to what the school had said about our boys that they were very smart. One has written several books, another just completed Microsoft certification and the third has a booming business. They generation that is coming of age today does not have the motivation or background to succeed and would rather play with the latest technology than do anything important with their lives. Our 13 grandchildren have me to be accountable to and I will not allow them to be sucked in by that lifestyle or to ignore what is happening in the world around them.

  • JimM

    Everything can be abused and overused. Its not a generational thing though, its an individual thing and it applies to any age. I just take offense when people say we have a “generation of idiots”. I work with youth and I find most of them to be amazing kids who are well educated and informed, are well mannered and have very good communication skills. As far as being more informed and educated, of course they are, we all are. That is the result of technology. If anything, they are informed and educated to the point where they are overwhelmed with it. And even if you were right about them, they are the result of the older generations. We created the world they are living in. They are just trying to survive and thrive in it.

  • JimM

    So what are you saying Linda, that this entire generation is uneducated and uninformed, except for your kids and grandkids of course. Get over yourself. Have you been in a classroom lately? This generation is learning things we never did. If anything, they are overwhelmed with it all to the point that they can’t possibly take it all in. I would agree that we should perhaps get back to the basics of reading, writing, and rithmatic. But to say they are uneducated and uninformed is just not true.

  • Owen Tillis

    How many times have you had to side-step someone because they are TOO focused on their phone? This is just an example of how we are too preoccupied with technology

  • Anonymous

    I agree with your comment, also, technology has entrapped people into being forever financial tied to having to pay more and more. Example:when we used paper, it delivered the message, there was low cost paper and fancy expensive paper. Either way, people could afford to deliver the message. People complain about the cost of stamps and the USP and forget they have to pay for a internet hookup to send emails unless they are getting their internet through government assistant somehow, which means taxpayers are paying. Solar Power, I love the idea, the idea of a home using solar energy, But after 15 or 20 years and the panels have to replaced, will I be able to afford to replace to replace them. The last time I checked they would cost 10,000 to 20,000 dollars. People need to have a savings to put money away for replacement costs, therefore, you are paying for what you have presently and saving, or will always have a loan to pay for solar energy panels. People who mention they like the cell phone because they can always communicate, they are nice to have if there is trouble, but the rest of the stuff, is it really necessary. It’s not healthy not to allow your mind to rest and be quite. People had more money to spend before the electronics, because what they had, did the job and lasted a long time, enabling them to have money to spend elsewhere and spread the wealth.

  • Mike Nelson

    Yep, the Millennial generation is so educated that their hyper-expensive college degrees yield jobs that pay $12/hour, if indeed they are of benefit at all.

    What this generation has lost is perseverance and wisdom.

    To hail knowledge and education > wisdom is intellectual blasphemy.

  • Anonymous

    America “as it should be” will be decided by whoever wins this on-going battle for our minds and hearts. Fight hard, never give up.

  • JimM

    What are you talking about Mike? My 27 year old son went to school for only 2 years and got an IT degree. He now has a technlology based job that didn’t even exist in past generations. He makes six figures a year. I have a daughter who is currently in college for the health industry. She will have no problem finding a job making good money when she gets out. And guess what, they both spend lots of time on their cellphones! Please give me just one example of a job where a college degree is neccessary and pays only $12/hr. Seriously, is this discussion board located in a nursing home, because you all sound like a bunch of senile old crooners who think that their generation was the best, and all young people are stupid, and the world is going to hell, and blah, blah, blah.

  • D.

    Oh bull, you oblivious idiot. People are stupider than they’ve ever been. What they’ve become is better critics and conspiracy theorists, and it’s sickening.

  • D.

    It took 60% of my graduating nursing class at a top state school to even get a job in the field. Some never did find one and it’s been 2 years. We all had stellar grades or we wouldn’t even have gotten in, so accolades and merits weren’t the issue. You really should get your head out of your ____. Life and the good ole USA isn’t all you purport it to be.

  • D.

    Folks, if we could kindly stop giving JimM the time of day. I’m guilty x2, until I realized he is on a ranting tirade. Remember, don’t feed bears, alligators, or trolls.

  • JimM

    Here is the curriculum for my 18 year old son who is a senior in high school:

    Photo. & Digital Imaging II
    Micro Economics
    Conversations in World Literature
    Calculus
    Earth Science
    Pop Culture
    Graphic Arts Programming
    So please tell me how many of you out there think you are more educated or “wiser” than he is in any of these subjects? And yes, he manages to do all this and use his cell phone too. Amazing.

  • Linda Newell

    Jim M, that is the last thing I am saying. I have been in classrooms lately and commend the teachers that are doing a good job in the face of tough odds. I would be the last person to say I did a perfect job with our children, but I am proud of how they turned out. However the material that teachers are required to teach today is so far from providing an education that I do not consider it even a curriculum. You are correct that there is so much opportunity for learning with the technology available today that anyone can learn just about anything they want to. But what is being taught in most schools reminds me of the runny cereal that babies are given as their first solid food. It lacks the substance to be considered real food and the education system of today also lacks the substance to be considered education. All to often the first year(s) of college is spent trying to teach the graduates of our school system how to read, do math and research that should have been taught in middle school. One of the things that I taught all the children I came into contact with was that they could learn on their own and determine their future. Today’s students are being taught just the opposite and our future will suffer even more because of that.

  • Anonymous

    Glenn says “I miss those days. Everything is changing, and I don’t want it to.”– but has a TV in his car????? I don’t have a TV in MY car. We look out the window or talk to each other, like he reminisces they did when he was growing up.

  • JimM

    Really D? That sounds like liberal logic to me. “If you can’t have a discussion with someone because you don’t have the facts to support it, then just start name calling.
    If someone doesn’t agree with us, then just don’t give him the time of day because he doesn’t belong here.” That’s pathetic. Every post on here is a rant. You just don’t want to acknowledge mine because you disagree with it. By the way, I am a conservative christian republican and a huge Beck fan. I am just tired of people bashing the younger generation and no one on here seems to have any facts to support their arguments. The youth of today are not the reason why things are so messed up, they are the victims of it.

  • JimM

    Well perhaps you should move to the Boston area because the health care industry around here have more job openings than they can fill. My daughter already has a job offer and she hasn’t even graduated yet.

  • JimM

    I assume that since you are on here that you are not a liberal. Then why are you acting like one by name calling because you can’t bring any facts to the discussion? What data are you using to determine that people are more stupider than they have ever been?

  • JimM

    “Oh bull, you oblivious idiot” is not a complete sentence by the way. “Stupider” is technically a word, but “more stupid” would be the “educated” way of stating that.

  • Nur Alima

    I miss Ann B. Davis, not a housekeeper named Alice that I didn’t know and wasn’t real. Ann B. Davis was an award winning, stellar actress and truly wonderful human being, her passing is sad and her legacy as Ann will live on. I am glad Glenn finally figured out what “American Pie” is really about (finally!) after all of these years later—but it wasn’t the 1960′s radicals that tore the USA apart, it was a combination many things, including a war the USA should never have been involved in. The 1960′s brought a decade of great terror and necessary change. Everything MUST change. Change is what life is all about. Every generation evolves into what they need to become. A good education, devoted, loving and extraordinary parents and a community of support is what all children need. We need to lay the foundation with nourished soil so our children can grow and thrive and be supple so they don’t break in the winds of change. Life is terrible and wonderful and we must do what we can to help make the terror lessen as well as accept that we cannot change that tragedy is a part of living and wonder and beauty is also a part of living. Our children and our children’s children need that strong place to grow within the ever changing difficult and beautiful world.

  • Anonymous

    don’t let her work at the VA because she will lose her skills . It is well known in health that only the incompetent healthcare professionals work there….and has been known for decades.

  • Joe W.

    The breakup of the traditional American Family, Traditional American Values and the abandoning of traditional american morality, along with the expulsion of a reverence for, and a faith in a loving God, is the catalyst responsible for the decline that our Nation is experiencing. We have compromised all that we once held dear and all that we were founded upon and our fathers shed so much blood to protect. We have tossed it to the wind, and it will never be ours again. Sad, indeed…

  • Anonymous

    Thank goodness Ann B. Davis and the Bradys were part of American culture. If people think of the show as the way we fundamentally all should be with each other even though the technology and clothes and interior design is changed from those days to what we have these days the problems Alice and the rest of the cast had week to week are still what people go through these days. No matter what the media would have people believe. It’s possible that’s why The Brady Bunch has always had each generation watching it and none of the stories ever got outdated.

  • Mike Nelson
  • Anonymous

    I can say I agree with both sides because I think there is a great divide in the education of our young people. I have been working with young people and have met some intelligent, thoughtful, “wise beyond their years” kids and then there are the kids that. . . .aren’t. They go to the same public school, live in the same socioeconomic area. After what I’ve seen, parent involvement and support, or the lack thereof, is the a major part of that divide. I have noticed, also, that one really bad event or situation at school can sometimes ruin a child’s experience at school forever.

  • Anonymous

    I remember, nostalgically, those days! And yes, there were some terrible times. I wore the bracelet of a POW faithfully! And remember with joy when he walked out of the plane onto US soil. So out of tragedy came hope. And though, things will never be quite as perfect as maybe we remember them when we were young, we need to support whatever is good and decent and kind in this world. The kind of things Ann represented. And shun the rest.

  • Jenny Rodriguez

    I never have put TVs in the car. There is enough of that in the home.

  • Aunt Terri

    I couldn’t disagree more. I grew up in the 60′s & 70′s (mostly 70′s) and I couldn’t remember those times more fondly if I tried. Things were far simpler back then. You didn’t have to be scared to go to the post office, school or the movie theatre for fear some lunatic gunman (usually teens – 20′s) was gonna shoot up the place. Music and television was less graphic and more wholesome. Kids respected their parents more and parents were more engaged in what their kids were doing. You drank water from a garden hose and 40 or 50 years later, guess what, we’re still alive and we never bought a bottle of Desani (imagine that). No, Glenn…I disagree with you. Those were times I remember very well and times I think were way better than today. I feel sorry for kids today that will never know times like the 60′s and 70′s when life was simpler. Yes, I grew up in Malibu, California and not the inner city, so blame my outlook on that. And yes, my mother had two children when she met my father, who also had two children and so my family did resemble The Brady Bunch. But, that didn’t change the times. The times were the times. Better.

  • JimM

    Calling shennannigans on what Mike? What are you saying, that I am not a real person? Yes actually it’s me, President Obama in disguise!

    Where do I show support for the current education system? I think our kids are being indoctrinated with a liberal agenda, especially in college, and I think Common Core is a joke, but none of that is causing this generation to be “idiots” or causing them to lose their “perseverance and wisdom”.

    Still waiting for that $12/ hr college degree job you talked about. The stories you linked show the average salary of a college grad to be over $80k.
    Shennannigans!

  • Aunt Terri

    Uh, hello….who’s saying they are wiser than your son. Good for him. But he’s an anomaly, not the norm. In general, todays generation is apathetic, disrespectful and going nowhere. It wasn’t like that when I was growing up.

  • Aunt Terri

    Dude, seriously….you have an 27 year old kid. YOU ARE ONE OF US OLD CROONERS. LOL! You’re very confrontational and defensive, ya know??? Seriously though, you’re probably older than me. Get your head out of the sand and wise up to the fact that your kids aren’t the only ones we are talking about here.

  • Aunt Terri

    This is crap….but apparently you only communicate with men because you haven’t responded to anything I’ve called you out on. There are plenty of college grads that either can’t find jobs or are working in jobs like servers because they can’t get a job in their field of study. Not saying you need a degree for many $12/hour jobs, but many college grads are working in $12.00/hour jobs regardless. Far less of them are making 80K than you are making it sound (no matter whose article it was that you were posting). You are making stuff up in fact. This, from the NACE (National Association of College & Employers): NACE’s September 2013 Salary Survey found that the average starting salary for Class of 2013 college graduates stands at $45,327, up from the average salary of $44,259 for Class of 2012 graduates.

    So stop making stuff up Jim!

  • JimM

    Your seriously scared to go to the post office, school or movie theater for fear of some lunatic gunman (from this generation of course) shooting up the place? Your not living in reality Terri, your living in fear. Our country is still a safe place, and this generation is not evil. Life has never been like the Brady Bunch and it never will be. But things will be ok. You can go to the movies. No one is going to shoot you.

  • JimM

    Ok Terri, but I am the one being angry and defensive? I did respond to your other posts. I have responded to every post on here directed at me. I am not even paying attention to whether they are male or female.
    Yes there are plenty of college grads who cant find work. I didn’t say they were averaging 80k per year, the article posted by Mike does. I didn’t post any article. Your own facts state that college grads are STARTING at 45k. Well according to my math, that bwould be about $24/hr. That sounds pretty good to me.
    Can you tell me specifically what things I made up?

  • Guest

    I recognized that someone else posted that. It really seemed to align with your belief system though. Forget the numbers, but instead the sentiment. Point of my figures was to discount the $80K number because it’s ridiculous. And I’ll bet you that out of all the college grads, there are far less earning $40K+ and far more earning nothing or $12/hr because they can’t find a job in their field. That’s my main point. That and also that I’d give anything for this Country to go back to the way things were in the 70′s. No computers, no cell phones, no outrageously violent video games (but instead Pac Man). I kicked back on a chase lounge, listened to AM Radio pop music and got a tan in the summer. I pretty much stayed out of trouble, didn’t tat up my body, didn’t have male friends that wore their pants so far down, their drawers were 50% uncovered. Yep, I think your kids are anomalies and not the norm. Congrats to you, but this day and age is really crummy for the most part. I’m not angry, btw. I just see you arguing with

  • Guest

    I recognized that someone else posted that. It really seemed to align with your belief system though. Forget the numbers, but instead the sentiment. Point of my figures was to discount the $80K number because it’s ridiculous. And I’ll bet you that out of all the college grads, there are far less earning $40K+ and far more earning nothing or $12/hr because they can’t find a job in their field. That’s my main point. That and also that I’d give anything for this Country to go back to the way things were in the 70′s. No computers, no cell phones, no outrageously violent video games (but instead Pac Man). I kicked back on a chase lounge, listened to AM Radio pop music and got a tan in the summer. I pretty much stayed out of trouble, didn’t tat up my body, didn’t have male friends that wore their pants so far down, their drawers were 50% uncovered. Yep, I think your kids are anomalies and not the norm. Congrats to you, but this day and age is really crummy for the most part. I’m not angry, btw. I just see you arguing with

  • Aunt Terri

    Now who’s looking at life through rose colored glasses? Most kids are NOT as you describe them sadly. Most of them are lazy, apathetic, disrespectful and unruly and some are even dangerous. Far fewer kids like that when I was a teen in the 70′s.

  • Aunt Terri

    I recognized that someone else posted that. It really seemed to align with your belief system though. Forget the numbers, but instead the sentiment. Point of my figures was to discount the $80K number because it’s ridiculous. And I’ll bet you that out of all the college grads, there are far less earning $40K+ and far more earning nothing or $12/hr because they can’t find a job in their field. That’s my main point. That and also that I’d give anything for this Country to go back to the way things were in the 70′s. No computers, no cell phones, no outrageously violent video games (but instead Pac Man). I kicked back on a chase lounge, listened to AM Radio pop music and got a tan in the summer. I pretty much stayed out of trouble, didn’t tat up my body, didn’t have male friends that wore their pants so far down, their drawers were 50% uncovered. Yep, I think your kids are anomalies and not the norm. Congrats to you, but this day and age is really crummy for the most part. I’m not angry, btw. I just see you arguing with a lot of people on here and there aren’t many that agree with you. Also, you haven’t responded to all posts directed at you.

  • Aunt Terri

    Dude, what more evidence of it do you need than almost every mass murder in the past decade has been committed by those very people you are claiming are so fantastic. Get real!

  • Guest

    That’s rude of you.

  • Aunt Terri

    That’s rude of you. Your message gets lost because of your delivery.

  • Aunt Terri

    LOL…you’re so condescending. Don’t be an ass. I promise you that I’m at least, if not more, intelligent than you are so I’m not the one to act like a fool with. You act as if it’s unreasonable to “think about” the possibility that something could happen in one of these places. Can you seriously guarantee me that it won’t. I don’t let fear stop me from doing anything. You don’t know me. I’m not living in fear. And name one case of a school shooting or any other mass murder (except the post office cases) that wasn’t perpetrated by the “younger” generation as you put it. I’ll wait. Please, do me a favor and tell a parent of one of the poor kids at Sandy Hook that lost their life, that they shouldn’t fear sending their other children off to school or that any parent shouldn’t be fearful of that today, or the parent of a college student for that matter. Get your head out of the sand. Life might not be like The Brady Bunch, but it isn’t as you are portraying it either.

  • JimM

    This would be from the last 5 years. I could go back further if you like. There’s plenty more.
    13 killed – November 5, 2009 – Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan kills 13 people and injures 32 at Fort Hood, Texas, during a shooting rampage.
    13 killed – April 3, 2009 – In Binghamton, New York, Jiverly Wong, 41, kills 13 people and injures four during a shooting at an immigrant community center. He then kills himself.
    12 killed – September 16, 2013 – Shots are fired inside the Washington Navy Yard killing 12. The shooter, identified as Aaron Alexis, 34, is also killed.
    8 killed – October 12, 2011 – Eight people are killed during a shooting at the Salon Meritage in Seal Beach, California. The suspect, Scott Evans Dekraai, 41, of Huntington Beach, is arrested without incident as he is trying to leave the scene.
    8 killed – August 3, 2010 – Manchester, Connecticut – Omar Thornton, 34, kills eight co-workers at Hartford Distributors before turning the gun on himself. Thornton had been asked to resign for stealing and selling alcoholic beverages.
    8 killed – January 19, 2010 – Christopher Speight, 39, kills eight people at a house in Appomattox, Virginia. He surrenders to police at the scene the next morning, and is charged with one count of murder with additional charges pending.
    8 killed – March 29, 2009 – In Carthage, North Carolina, 45-year-old Robert Stewart kills a nurse and seven elderly patients at a nursing home.
    Our opinions are based on what we see and how we perceive it. I have kids and I work with kids so I am in the trenches with them. I see the reality first hand. Other peoples opinions are based on what they see on tv, from reality shows and the news. First off, reality shows are not reality. Second, the news represents only the worst. We dont see stories of success on the news. We just see the bad, and that bad is a tiny miniscule sample of reality. Its isolated stories, and definately not the norm. I love Glenn Beck. I listen to him every day. But lets face it. He’s a sensationalist. He overdramatizes things to get viewers. I see that represented here. People are taking isolated stories and overdramatizing it by blanketing the entire generation with it. It’s not reality. It’s a very small minority of youth that are the troublemakers. Its a small minority who wear their pants down to their ass, Its a small minority who inflict violence. Its a small minority who are disrespectful. Its nothing new. That minority has always been there in every generation but in this information age, its just more visible.

  • Aunt Terri

    Explain the school shootings and please, give me some statistics on those. You’re a little too literal. We’re talking about kids here and yes, I did challenge you to do what you did, not thinking your fingers would start googling to prove me wrong. I deliberately left the “post office” type murders out of my challenge and so it’s no surprise that you’ve come up with some of those and then some crimes of passion probably. But you didn’t confront the most heartbreaking murders of all. All the ones that happen at the schools. Why avoid those? Because then it shoots your argument all to hell. The argument that kids are for the most part good. Just not true. You think you know everything. You don’t. The news reports the truth, what’s going on. Kids are exactly what I’ve described them as. You are the one that is not being realistic. I’m much more involved with kids than you know. Even the ones that are supposed to be good because they’re in college, for example, are apathetic and lazy. I know this. I see it every day. You’re wrong about this, but I’m done trying to convince you.

  • Mike Nelson

    You miss the point… it’s the average salary of an *employed* college grad.

    What you’re saying is on the order of saying the unemployment rate is actually ~7%, which is the rant I’m tired of hearing.

    I don’t really care what you have to say anymore, if this is the torch you feel must be carried, but congratulations on your exceptional family and the bright future of your employed offspring.

  • JimM

    Well obviously the school shootings involve youth because THAT’S WHERE THEY ARE!! There were a total of 2 school shootings by youth on the list of the 25 worst mass murders of the last 25 years. Yes, they were horrific, but it represents a tiny tiny tiny little miniscual percentage of total youth. 45 million youth, 2 shootings, I don’t know you do the math. Its such a small percentage a calculator cant even figure it out. You asked me to produce mass murders that did not involve youth and I provided you with many examples. There are no post office murders on that list. Of course I googled it, sorry I don’t have mass murders memorized in my head. I knew you would dismiss it anyways because you are a bigot towards youth. I can provide you with scientific proof that this generation is smarter than yours but you would dismiss that as well. Do the research yourself. It’s not that difficult, and the evidence is overwhelming. You have this set opinion on all young people and no facts or examples are going to get in the way of your arguement. If you thought that way towards a certain race, you would be a racist. You fit the definition of a racist, it’s just directed at an age group instead of a race. I can only imagine how you treat this generation of “stupid and lazy” youth.

  • JimM

    Here is a sample of some school shootings from the past. There are way too many to list so I just listed the most egregious ones. Here is the link if you would like to check it out yourself.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
    August 1, 1966: Charles Whitman, aged 25, climbed atop the observation deck at the University of Texas-Austin, and killed 17 people and wounded 31 during a 96-minute shooting rampage in the University of Texas massacre.
    November 12, 1966: Mesa, Arizona, Bob Smith, 18, took seven people hostage at Rose-Mar College of Beauty. Smith ordered the hostages to lie down on the floor in a circle. He then proceeded to shoot them in the head with a 22 caliber pistol.
    November 11, 1971: Spokane, Washington, Former MIT student Larry J. Harmon, 21, entered St. Aloysius Roman Catholic Church on the Gonzaga University campus armed with a .22 caliber rifle. Harmon killed the caretaker, 68-year-old Hilary Kunz, and upon emerging from the church, wounded four more people before police officers shot and killed him.
    December 30, 1974: Olean, New York, Regents scholar Anthony Barbaro, 17, armed with a rifle and shotgun, kills three adults and wounds 11 others at his high school, which was closed for the Christmas holiday.
    February 12, 1976: Detroit, Michigan, Intruders shot five Murray-Wright High School students after an apparent dispute over one of the intruders girlfriends.
    March 19, 1982: Las Vegas, Nevada, 17-year-old Valley High School student Patrick Lizotte shot and killed his teacher Clarence Pigott and wounded two students.
    January 20, 1983: St. Louis County, Missouri, Eighth grade Parkway South Middle School student David F. Lawler entered a study hall classroom and opened fire, killing Randall Koger, 15, and injuring Greg Saffo, 15. Lawler then committed suicide.
    January 21, 1985: Goddard, Kansas, James Alan Kearbey, 14, armed with a M1-A semiautomatic rifle and a .357-caliber handgun, killed principal James McGee and wounded two teachers and a student at Goddard Junior High School.
    October 18, 1985: Detroit, Michigan, During halftime of the homecoming football game between Northwestern High School and Murray-Wright High School, a boy who was in a fight earlier that day pulled out a shotgun and opened fire, injuring six students.[221][222]
    November 26, 1985: Spanaway, Washington, A 14-year-old girl shot two boys fatally, then killed herself with a .22 caliber rifle at Spanaway Junior High School.
    December 10, 1985: Portland, Connecticut At Portland Junior High School, a 13-year-old male student pulled out a 9mm firearm and opened fire, injuring the school secretary and killing a custodian.
    December 5, 1986: Lewistown, Montana, A 14-year-old Fergus High School student shot and killed a substitute teacher and wounded a vice principal and two classmates.
    Well I could go on, but you get the point, or do you?

  • Aunt Terri

    Wow….how insulting. I’m not bigoted toward youth. I see them for what most of them are. Not all of them. You should see my niece and nephew talk to each other and to their friends. Every other word is “n” this and “f*ck” that and they are white so why they’d call each other the “n” word is beyond me. They are not smarter than I am either. I just finished college with a 4.0. Went back after many years. How many kids can say they have a 4.0 in college. I’m not gonna argue about this for the next week with you. Some kids are great. Some kids are smart. Some kids are horrible and some kids are either lazy or stupid. This generation may have access to more technically advanced things to make them smarter, but I disagree that they are smarter. If they were, they wouldn’t talk in a language that people like me cannot even understand. And they are speaking English for goodness sake. LOL. We are on opposite sides. But you make it seem like all kids are great. I’m not saying all kids are bad, but there sure are a lot of them out there that are not living up to their potential. And lastly, the fact that you could so horrifically minimize the devastation that was caused in these school shootings, shows the kind of person you are. And you have the nerve to question my character. smh

  • Aunt Terri

    Good, then I’m wrong….kids have ALWAYS been bad. I was just insulated from them in Malibu during the years I grew up. Regardless, if you grew up in the 60′s, 70′s or 80′s, there was definitely a less hostile atmosphere in school, at least in my experience. Less bullying, less drugs in school, less weapons being brought into school, less security. But I’m sure you’ll argue that as well. Like I said, I didn’t worry about being in danger when I stepped onto campus. Sometimes, in the recent past when I was in college, I thought about it. That’s for sure. Kids in elementary school, in college, etc. today, SHOULD be worried about it. You can find cases of everything all through the decades. But the point is that there were far fewer candidates that had the capacity to commit these types of crimes in the 60′s & 70′s and even the 80′s than there are today. Oh yeah…..there are way more kids today that are capable of this type behavior.

  • JimM

    Hurts to be judged and labeled doesn’t it Terri. Imagine how this generation feels when people call them stupid and lazy.

  • Aunt Terri

    It’s insulting. It doesn’t hurt. You give yourself and your “words” far too much power. LOL. This generation, to a large extent, IS stupid and lazy, by their own choice.

  • L. Nat Bean

    Since liberty impels a free country’s citizens to unleash their talents, skills, and knowledge, free citizens are able to learn more, know more, and achieve more than those subjected to collectivism’s ever-shifting mirage of illusions.

  • Aunt Terri

    Did you hear about the most recent school shooting today? Don’t you think they are much more prevalent today then they were before. Until 1985, you rarely ever had more than one every couple years. You get several a year nowadays. For you to compare is ludicrous.

  • Watch it

    Glenn, you asked: “Things were simpler. But were they?” Yes, they were simpler…. not easier, but simpler. Big difference.

  • Anonymous

    As a nostalgic person I have to take issue with the notion of shunning the past. it’s a part of who we are and in remembering it we not only experience catharsis from recollecting a simpler and classier time, but also insight into what is going wrong today and how to fix it.

  • Aunt Terri

    And what about today…..what about the teenager in Oregon who went and shot people? It’s becoming an everyday occurrence. How do you defend this crap???

  • JimM

    I am not going to defend it Terri, but I will defend the millions of kids that don’t do this crap. For every 1 example you can come up with to prove your point, I can come up with millions of examples to prove mine.

  • Aunt Terri

    Jim, we could keep this going every time there’s another school shooting. And that could keep us posting almost daily anymore (especially when you consider all the other violent crime committed by young people). The fact remains that even if it were only one child or young person that died at the hand of another per year, it would prove there is something wrong with this generation. That’s an overstatement, but the sentiment is true. Because of bullying, poor parental guidance, abuse, etc. this generation of kids is becoming violent and unruly and it’s getting worse and worse. Of course there are many good kids, but those aren’t the kids getting the press, you’re right. And one child dying while at school at the hands of another is one too many. So brag all you want, there are a ton of scary, crazy kids out there waiting to be the next schoolyard killer.

  • Aunt Terri

    I ordered it Craig…..for some reason they wouldn’t allow me to post to you here, so I’ll just say that. I agree with you. A far better time it was.