Two 12-year-old girls allegedly stab friend 19 times because of creepy Internet meme

In one of the more bizarre crimes you may ever here about, two 12-year-old girls from southeast Wisconsin have been arrested and face up to 60 years in prison for allegedly stabbing their 12-year-old friend 19 times in the woods. The victim is currently in stable condition and is expected to survive. The assailants were apparently motivated by a spooky Internet meme known as ‘Slender Man.’

The Associated Press reports:

According to a criminal complaint, the girls had been planning to kill their friend for months and finally made the attempt in a park on Saturday morning, after a slumber party.

One of the girls told a detective they were trying to become “proxies” of Slender Man, a mythological demon-like character they learned about on creepypasta.wikia.com, a website about horror stories and legends. They planned to run away to the demon’s forest mansion after the slaying, the complaint said.

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According to the criminal complaint, one of the girls told an investigator they began planning to kill their friend in December. The other girl told police they decided to kill her so they could become proxies of Slender Man, who would accept them and let them live with him in his mansion in the Nicolet National Forest.

The other girl said she sees Slender Man in her dreams. She said he watches her and can read her mind and teleport.

The so-called Slender Man emerged from disparate works of fiction and is usually depicted as an unnaturally tall man with a featureless face. He wears a black suit and is said to stalk, abduct, or traumatize people – especially children.

Both girls will be tried as adults, and bail was set at $500,000 cash per child. The victim was apparently left lying in the woods after the attack, but she managed to crawl to a nearby road where she was discovered by a cyclist. She was able to give the police the names of her attackers before being rushed into surgery.

On radio this morning, Glenn reacted to the disturbing story and questioned the type of content children are able to access on the Internet today. As technology comes to play a larger and larger role in everyday life, it will be up to parents to police what their children have access to, but are enough parents willing and ready to take such an active role?

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“I’m sorry, but there are too many weird things about this story,” Glenn said. “I mean darkness will use any path, so while this is completely made up, these kids got so into it, they started to believe that he was real, and they wanted to serve him.”

Urban legends and scary stories have been around for a very long time, and there is no way to predict a internet meme could lead to two 12-year-olds to commit such a gruesome crime. When it comes to children, Glenn explained that it is up to parents to understand what is appropriate for their family.

“It’s about our choices and what’s appropriate for each of us. That’s what it’s about. But in today’s society, you can’t say that you should use your own noodle and maybe think things through,” Glenn said. “How many times do my kids tell me that they wanted to watch a movie? Nope. It’s PG-13… When you figure out how many years there are between eight and 13, you’ll know how close you are to watching that movie.”

“That doesn’t mean ban movies that are PG-13, doesn’t mean ban rated R movies. I don’t have a problem with rated R movies. There are a lot of rated R movies I want to see,” he continued. “I’ve had made the choice myself, my wife and I don’t want to go see them… You can go watch the rated R movies all you want. I don’t care… That’s up to you.”

  • Kevin

    I had a mother mock me because I didn’t allow my 12 year old to listen to trash music. I had objected to a radio at the community pool blaring sexually explicit lyrics.
    My daughter is a healthy mother of two and I have never regretted the criticism.
    People, Stand up for your kids. Or someone else will. And you do not know what their values will permit.

  • Elena

    Grimm’s Fairy Tales have been around since the Middle Ages, too. While horrifying in their original forms (no Disney or Hans Christian Andersen here), they were cautionary stories. The more modern “horror” stories are designed to glorify gore and titillate the tastes for more gore.

    We need to be mindful of what we take into our minds, for it will color our souls! You are or become what you read and watch. GIGO — garbage in, garbage out.

  • Lucy Farrah DeMonique

    Babes in the woods are not innocent, but are likely deranged as well as depraved.

  • Robert Erickson Jr.

    These girls are stupid. The Slender Man story was made up on the fear blogs back in the 90s. It’s just a creepiepasta.

  • Anonymous

    Slender man is a demonic video game. I saw my child playing it. This creepy slender man jumps out when you don’t expect it. These kids are getting off from fear. But more disturbing is that it is really demonic. Most people don’t understand Satan uses these types of things to have legal rights to take us over. I have seen people delivered from demons. If I didn’t witness it first hand I would have never believed it. You can actually hear these demons growling as they leave the person. Just a warning for anyone who will listen.

  • ShannonJez

    I don’t understand. I am an avid fan or horror movies and watched them all through my youth. I have yet to murder someone and I’m in my 50′s. There has to be something wrong with the girls that really hasn’t a thing to do with what they watch.

  • ShannonJez

    Right

  • Derek Bunt

    Nothing they did was even remotely relevant to the myth. It makes no sense to even drag Slendy in to this.

  • Anonymous

    Wait, legal rights? Satan abides by secular law? Which country’s?

  • Derek Bunt

    This is why we can’t have nice discussions.

  • Courtney

    Do parents these days not teach their children the difference between reality and fantasy these days? I’ve read creepypasta I’ve played that game and even from an early age I could differentiate. These kids knew what they were doing they deserve what they get, but because of their age the parents should have been more involved in what their children where into.

  • Duddioman

    Evil will use any doorway we open for it. Someone who watches horror movies or plays a game like slender man may never have these inclinations, while someone else who completely puts their faith into the story or character is inviting evil to deceive them.

    That’s why some things are inappropriate for children and the emotionally or mentally unstable among us.

  • Anonymous

    This goes beyond what can be found on the internet, I strongly doubt there was ever a challenge put forth to kill, and live in the realm of Slender Man, just another cockamamie story dreamed up by a couple of psycho wannabes. Too bad they couldn’t get the chair, hope the victim fully recovers

  • Darby

    I taught middle school last year, 6th and 7th grades. My students were all very into the Creepy Pasta thing. I even had a couple who would recite disturbing poetry from the site. I also heard them refer to “Slenderman” quite often. I kept wondering what their parents were letting them access on the internet. I can only hope and pray these things don’t affect them in the same manner.

  • Anthony

    Hey, so Slenderman has been around in religious myths since early, early German and English times. But yeah this whole thing is non-sense. Parents should have noticed this weird behavior.

  • Anonymous

    I 100% agree with this sentiment!

  • T. P.S.

    I wouldn’t be surprised at all if this was a case of demonic poltergeist or possession. Evil is real, but blessedly, so is Christ. Pray for your families, bless your houses. Call a priest! Stay away from dark things.

  • Anonymous

    There are spiritual laws that he is speaking of. Educate yourself on spiritual warfare before you dismiss.

  • Nico Beebe

    Are parents willing and able? Well, if they decide to have children they better be and if not, learn it!

  • Chris Layton

    Walkintruth is right. If you play with demonic videos or listen to demonic music or play demonic games or watch demonic movies, you’re playing on their playground. That makes you fair game and and subject to consequence.

  • FXH_Vickles

    Not sure if your a troll but……We do have places for you, and get this they will give you the help you need. They also make it so you won’t have to worry about the scary Slender man getting you with his buddy Satan. Where do you people come from?, there are thousands of people that play the Slender man video game and have no issue and don’t growl(myself included). There would be thousands ,if not hundreds of thousands, of people possessed by “demons” and murdering each other all the time. Stop looking up exorcism videos on Youtube that are fake.These girls had something psychologically wrong with them.

  • Anonymous

    There’s something *more* wrong with these girls and they are simply using Slender Man as their excuse. They already said they had been ‘planning’ on killing this girl for months prior to the incident.
    What kind of psychotropic meds have they been taking? ADHD meds? Anti-anxiety meds? Anti-depressants meds? I can bet their ‘mommies’ sure know. “Hey Dr. fix my kid.”
    Blaming it on a game or a myth? Come on !!!!! I want to see the Med-Tox report on these two.

  • Stephanie Soucek

    If you’ve ever seen a devil cast out of someone it will make the hair on your neck stand up–thank you for sharing truth, even if some mock you for it. demons are very real. if people haven’t figured that out by all the evil going on in this world I’m not sure what it will take except a revelation from God.

  • Stephanie Soucek

    legally speaking according to God’s law in the bible.

  • Anonymous

    We give legal rights to demons by sinning, generational curses, soul ties or inviting them in through demonic games which have been cursed. I know it is hard for you to understand the spiritual laws that God has allowed. Satan and his fallen angels must be obey these laws asking permission before. We give that permission without knowing because we have been tricked. Satan comes to steal, kill and destroy through his lies and trickery.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe you are the troll. Nevertheless, I am just warning. You can dismiss my comments if you like.

  • J Dubya

    The “Slenderman” defense is pure crap, as is trying to scapegoat any video game for the lack of ethical behavior.

    I’ve seen this game and it is nothing more than creepy lighting, creepy settings, creepy music AND some Slenderman figure who seemingly randomly pops up in unexpected places in order to give the player a “cheap scare”.

    There is NOTHING in there about stabbing or cutting ANYONE. Like I said, the “Slenderman” excuse is pure B.S.

    There simply is no substitute or proper alternative for being a parent and actually BEING INVOLVED in your child’s life.

  • Tom

    Glenn: I hope you will check this out to see whether or not the girls where on antipsycotic medications as hae been all the recent mass killers who then prompt the puch for more restrictive gun control measures. Woud be interesting to know if the combination of the meme and anti-psyhotics payed a role.

  • Deborah Jenkins

    Just because you don’t believe in demons doesn’t mean they’re not real. And just because they may use a particular medium to get hold of some people doesn’t mean anyone exposed to that medium is a target for them – they are far to clever to be boxed into a mold like that.

  • Crush it

    Haha..go back to the cave you came out of you weirdo. Only the weak fear such things.

  • Bobdabuilder

    Slender Man actually was created on the Something Awful forums back in 2009 in one of the ‘creepypasta’ threads. Basically it was a contest where participants would use photoshop to create scary images (might have been for Halloween, not sure). It grew from there, and eventually someone made a short pc game where you’re stalked in the woods by the eldritch horror. After some Let’s Plays emerged on youtube of the game (a Let’s Play is where someone records themselves playing a game and provides commentary over it), its popularity exploded.

    Essentially it was a mishmash of other horror stories, inspired heavily by H.P. Lovecraft’s Cthulhu mythos, and other sources. The Slender Man character was created by adults, for adults, and the game is no exception. The girls had no business playing such a game. Dangers of the Internet, I suppose. Parents, please, for the love of God, take a closer look at what your children are looking at on the web.

  • Anonymous

    Actually walkintruth’s comment was very relevant to this article. It was respectful and informative. You seem like a troll

  • Deborah Jenkins

    Sadly too many are not. I’ve worked in the public school system and can attest to the fact that many (perhaps a majority?) of the parents left teaching their kids values & morals & such to the teachers and the kids peers. Personal responsibility is fast becoming a thing of the past in America :(

  • Anonymous

    Thank you and God bless you.

  • Charlie LaGrossa

    Slender man is a mildly scary horror game with no blood, gore, or even explicit death. You run around in the woods at night trying to collect some pages and avoid the slender man. It not demonic and saying that is trivializing really demonic things. And off course they’re “getting off from fear” most people like scary stuff like ghost stories, scary movies, and yes scary games. You really need to work on your argument if you want to convince anyone that satin is going to take over their minds if they play mild horror games. And good luck with those demons you hear growling.

  • FXH_Vickles

    Yes their post is relevant to the article ,and my reply is relevant to their post….

  • Liz

    I have a suspicion that these girls had way bigger issues especially at home than an internet meme.

  • http://batman-news.com adhdmom

    So blaming it all on medication is better? A big thank you from all the parents out there that children with special needs that require medications. I guess our children are all going to become murderers? Don’t judge or jump to conclusions until you are more educated on the these disorders.

  • Anonymous

    I love Slenderman stories. I grew up on slasher films and horror movies. I love creepypasta, which are little more than short horror stories. I love “Marble Hornets” which is a Slenderman universe where the characters become “proxies” for the “Operator” who is Slenderman. But all of these are just stories; they’re just scary stories to creep you out and give you a thrill and you’re done. Not a single person brought up properly will imagine they can become Slendy proxies by killing their best friend.

  • Anonymous

    No /sane/ person is going to kill someone because they love scary stories.

  • Anonymous

    Wait, you will fear when Satan comes for you. He won’t care one bit about you either. Again I am only here to warn. Enjoy.

  • Leah

    As someone who has actually played the Slenderman game, I’m confused where these girls came up with all of this. It’s a silly game, designed to make you jump and nothing more. No violence, nothing. You just walk through the dark woods on a scavenger hunt, trying to stay away from the Slenderman, and if he catches up with you, the screen goes dark. That’s it. No blood, no violence, hardly even a story behind it, nothing… so… whatever fantasy these girls cooked up in their minds has nothing at all to do with the game. Those of you shouting ‘demonic video games!’ and blaming it for the atrocious behavior of these crazy girls might as well blame Mariokart for people that commit homicide with their cars. If you want to make a moderate, controlled argument about the influence of video games, by all means, do so! But know what you’re talking about first, and don’t get hysterical. We have no idea what really contributed to this case.

  • Kevin

    Slender man is a scary person that you run from, I’ve never heard of anyone worship him, he is someone to be scared of like any other horror character. The reasons behind why the stabbing happened is not what we should look, they are not right in the head. That is the real reason. Please check this letter out:
    http://www.creepypasta.com/statement-wisconsin-stabbing/

  • Kandice

    Its all in what people can handle. Some people cab handle liquor and others can easily fall into alcoholism. As a child we start to figure out what we can handle and can’t and have our parents monitor us and help us if we are falling off the edge. Those girls must have been showing signs of crazy before this happened showing that they couldn’t handle this type of creepy.

  • Rebecca

    there is a game called white noise too but satan works in kds that are weak enough people need to talk to there kids about God more with out him the evil do al they must…

  • FXH_Vickles

    Nope not a troll, just annoyed with people constantly blaming video games, internet , and music for violence. People don’t blame people anymore,just like people blame guns and not people. These girls we’re psychologically disturbed and probably could’t tell the difference between reality and fantasy, and I would like to know how involved the parents were with them. Parents should teach their children the difference between the two, myself and thousands of others are just fine because are parents taught us the difference at a young age.Let us not rule not the psychological factor ,these girls may just be extremely disturbed.

  • Anonymous

    Oh by the way God does not give us a spirit of fear.

  • Guest

    We are on Glenn Beck’s site , what did you expect? I use to like listening to Glenn , but lately he’s just been talking about a lot of stupid crap. I read a lot of these comments on his videos, and there are a lot of paranoid people on here…

  • Lora McDonald

    I have a feeling if it hadn’t been Slender Man that caused the girls to commit this terrible crime they would have found something else as an excuse. Anyone that can attempt to or actually murder another person, especially at their young age, is disturbed. : /

  • Anonymous

    The fact that these girls stabbed a friend is enough proof. I bet you if they were playing Candy Land this would not have happened. I rest my case.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with most of what you have stated. You are right that parents need to be involved to teach their children about these things. I also agree that these girls have a mental illness.

  • FXH_Vickles

    I agree , parents should be able(not always.some kids are good at hiding their emotions) to tell if something seems wrong with their children. These girls minds might have not been able to handle the content they were reading(evidently) ,and their undeveloped minds snapped from it and they believed it wholeheartedly. Parents are very important in a child’s life ,they should be taught at a young age about reality and fantasy. Sometimes it doesn’t matter if their taught the difference ,because some people are just,like you said, emotionally or mentally unstable and it’s a shame.

  • FXH_Vickles

    I apologize for saying you need mental help, but let’s agree to disagree on the “demonic” thing.

  • FXH_Vickles

    Thank you! someone with a valid point…

  • Anonymous

    God bless you. I apologize if I said anything to upset you.

  • FXH_Vickles

    No, it’s just that I want people to be blamed again for their actions. I also want these girls to get the mental help they need ,instead of just being thrown into prison.

  • Shawn Cameron

    If they were playing Candy Land they would have claimed Lord Licorice told them to do it. These girls have deep psychological problems. Blaming video games, movies, music or guns only breeds hysteria, and from Salem to the West Memphis 3, hysteria in the name of religion has caused far more damage than any video game ever has.

  • Kelly Carpenter Alvarado

    Ultimately, it is the parent’s responsibility to instill proper moral beliefs in their children. It really isn’t the movie’s fault, or the video game’s fault. Every parent has the right to let their kids watch/play whatever…. But with that also comes the responsibility to teach the child between reality and fiction, what’s right and wrong…. ya know, basic parenting kinda stuff. Also, it is up to the parent to decide if the child is mentally /emotionally ready for the movie and or game. I have a 12 year old that I let watch some scary movies (as long as they don’t have sexual scenarios ), on the other hand, I have a 15 year old who I know cannot handle that kind of stuff, so I don’t let her watch it. I mean really, just because I let my kids play Mario they’re gonna try to shoot fire?…. Jump and kill every turtle they see?… It’s never the game, movie or internet’s fault…. Sub party parenting is too blame.

  • happy chick

    Regardless if yoy think it is demonic ot not. As a parent you have to be aware of what your children are doing. By leaving them open with out conversations about issues in this world, you are definitely leaving the door open for someone else to step in and teach them. If we all remember being young, then you know there are questions and there are all kinds of answers the world will give young people. My point is if your a parent you should be a active roll In your childs life. Dont have them if your not going to raise themn

  • Anonymous

    My daughter couldn’t seem to keep her 14 year old off certain sites on the internet. She tried everything and somehow he would figure out how to go around it. Finally she caught him on one of the sites, she calmly unplugged the computer and took it, hard drive and monitor and all and drove it to a business garbage can and dumped it. Hooray for you, I said.

  • Anonymous

    You would be surprised how many Christians have occult objects in their homes and don’t know it. All of these things open doors to evil. You can anoint yourself and your home with olive oil that has been blessed. Stay away from tarot cards, Ouija boards or any idols. Don’t go to mediums. I am speaking from experience. I found out the hard way and now I am warning others.

  • Jon Rivers

    These comments are hilarious. Clearly it was an Internet meme that caused the murder and not some sort of psychosis on the part of the perpetrators. That psychosis? Demons. There’s simply no other explanation. LMAO

  • Anonymous

    Of course it had something to do with what they were watching. But, you are right in that there must have been something wrong at home. Sometimes a kid is just wired wrong, but two of them. Something else is going on.

  • Anonymous

    One word: Parents. This is EXACLY WHY parents should have montoring software on all children’s computers, passwords on adult’s computers, and keylogging software on phones, tablets, and computers that children use. It’s not a privacy issue, it’s a safety issue. Until a child is of the age that they can make wise decisions on their own, they need monitoring.

  • FXH_Vickles

    The problem is that people would rather do the easy thing and blame the content, instead of taking a look in the mirror and asking themselves if they are teaching their kids reality or fiction,right or wrong.Parents also need to make sure their kids can mentally handle it. These girls obviously were psychologically disturbed and took this to heart, and maybe their parents didn’t see (or care) that something was changing with them(which I am sure they showed some signs they were).

  • Anonymous

    Funny, Kevin…it used to be the other way around.

    How far we have fallen…

  • lilith

    I’m 14 and I’ve loved creepypasta for a long time now. Slendy was always my favorite along with Jeff the Killer. Still, I had the sense to figure out that none of it was real after a very short time. I don’t understand how anyone could become this invested in an obviously fictional character, and what’s even more perplexing is that they wanted to become murderers for him. I wonder if they already had mental problems that made them more easily succumb to influence. Does anyone know more about these girls?

  • FXH_Vickles

    I enjoyed your sarcasm lol

  • Anonymous

    The Game is Pure Evil, Many of the Games out there is Evil. period.

  • Anonymous

    I smashed my daughter’s computer into the floor and threw it in the trash when she was sixteen and refusing to obey my rules about what she could view and what she couldn’t view. I was the worst mom in the whole world for several months, but now she is married and has a child of her own, so she understands how important it is to protect our children. We need to quit believing the myth that we have to be our children’s friends, and start being their parents.

  • Jon Rivers

    The world would be much better off it everyone shielded their children from the world until they left the nest. Great point.

  • lilith

    Also, i think that parents should not just automatically shelter their children, but personally figure out what they feel their child can and can’t handle at the moment and monitor where they go online based on that.

  • Jon Rivers

    Read these comments. It’s tailor made drivel for an audience that can’t get enough of it.

  • Anonymous

    Shannon, its like the current gun debate.

    Guns have been in our country and culture a good hundred years before its inception. But in the past 20 years, school shootings have increased. Why?

    I don’t buy the violence angle on its own- read Hamlet or Romeo and Juliet or even ancient Greek plays like Oedipus. Wretched, evil, incest, young suicide, self-mutilation. Yet, we didn’t see this being re-enacted in high schools in the 1920′s.

    I will say that 3 things are largely to blame:

    1.) removal of God from society
    2.) breakdown of family unit for reasons of economy (both parents in workforce) and for bad reasons (divorce, etc).
    and
    3.) extreme saturation of modern technology (look at Santa Barbara killer and Columbine killers who were completely immersed in violent video games).

    Combine all of these ingredients. Blend.

    What you get is the nastiness that we see today.

  • Jonathan Lowe

    The issue is with obsessive behavior. It’s not the story. Anytime an individual or individuals become obsessed with an idea or object (whether real or perceived) it can be dangerous. The subject matter of the point of focus is irrelevant. I speculate that one of the girls is the leader (or alpha) and the other is the subordinate. The alpha convinced the subordinate to join and act out the fantasy. To people like this the story becomes indistinguishable from reality. It’s basic human psychology, not demonology. The kids are sick, not possessed.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with you when you say that sub-par parenting is causing a lot of the problems that our young people are experiencing, but it is also the fault of Hollywood and the video game manufacturers. When you see violence or gore over and over, you become used to seeing it, and it becomes “normal” in your life. Just like doctors, nurses, morticians, coroners, etc., get used to seeing the things that they have to see, and get used to turning off their emotions about seeing them, the same is true of violent movies and video games. I speak from experience on this because I am a mortician and a coroner, and a former paramedic. After a while, you just get used to seeing the horror, and you learn to push it down to a place where it doesn’t affect you anymore. People should never allow their children to watch violent, graphic movies, or play violent video games, because they’re too immature to effectively compartmentalize what they’re seeing, and they’re reactions can be very inappropriate.

  • Anonymous

    Honestly, There so many Games out there that can cause many people go into a break down, I know of One It was called ” Fatal Frame” that drove people.. Mentally Mad… .. Many GAMES out there Really drive people mad and do things… This proves That most games are truly.. are evil..

  • Tuneks

    why are you using the tools of satan, get off the internets, it’s the work of the devil

  • Anonymous

    They were probably prescribed some psychotropic medication at some point.

  • Joe Mitchell

    Slender Man is a crazy Internet-born horror story and it’s spooky stuff – if you’re into Bloody Mary and other stories you used to tell around a campfire. Nevertheless, that is all it is – a made-up, campfire tale. Hell yeah, these two individuals should be tried as adults and hell yeah, they should be evaluated until the cows come home because you literally have to be insane to do something like this BECAUSE of this. If you’re a parent, it’s your obligation to raise your kids and raising them includes monitoring their intake: whether it be oral (food), auditory (what they hear), or visual (what they see). Don’t blame Slender Man, some ‘thing’ that doesn’t even exist. That’s like the people who blame books, movies and video games for bad things that happen. Let’s actually blame the people actually responsible for once.

  • Anonymous

    You forgot the pills.

  • Kevin

    I just tried to shield her from the deviancy while giving her a firm foundation of reasonableness and values. Then when the storms came she was able stand firm. And she was emotionally grounded enough to not be disturbed by that which is disturbing.

  • Melissa Carlstrom

    Just because you can “Handle it” (Horror films) doesn’t mean you should. I suppose it depends on how you choose to live your life. Personally I don’t get ANYTHING out of Horror films; NOTHING! But Fear, Shame, Paranoia (etc); Nothing that I wish to feel (Especially devoting 2 to 3 hours to watch it and spending my hard earned money on it) and certainly nothing that I want to project into my family and friends lives.

  • Jon Rivers

    That’s just not true. If it were, there would be a correlation between playing violent video games/watching violent movies and committing violent crimes (there’s no reputable controlled study that suggests this)

    I guess the “normalization” argument makes sense on the surface but it’s misguided in so many ways. I would argue that, if anything, playing violent games/watching violent movies serves as a catharsis for those who would otherwise be predisposed to acting on their negative feelings in real life.

    Indeed, all the outrage is over nothing, considering the fact that violent crime is at an all-time low. Unfortunately, most people don’t know that because of people like Glenn Beck whose sole mission is to strike fear into folks who don’t know any better.

  • Jon Rivers

    LOL. Did you break your ankle making that leap?

  • ScaryLogic

    ..what?

  • Jon Rivers

    Do what now?

  • ScaryLogic

    This is probably the dumbest thing I have ever heard

  • ScaryLogic

    No it hasn’t… it was made up on the “something awful” forum

  • ScaryLogic

    Yes, the emotionally and mentally unstable. Slenderman isn’t evil… its just a creepy game. people need to stop over thinking this

  • Jon Rivers

    Your case is incredibly weak.

  • Loudd

    is the cameraman drunk or something?

  • ScaryLogic

    If God created humans, then why do we have a fight or flight sense? Fear is a natural response.

    Don’t quote random parts of scripture out of context as if that proves anything.

  • ScaryLogic

    There is a scientific reason for these things… just….stop

  • Stephanie Kelly

    They probably are not even fully comprehending what they have done*

  • Guest

    People who immediately jump to the conclusion that “It musta been those demooooooonsAH!” We needto cast-uh- theemmmmmmm ouuuuuuuutAH”

    You are the reason the USA is behind other countries academically.

  • ScaryLogic

    Those of you who immediately jump to the conclusion that “It musta been
    those demooooooonsAH!” We needto cast-uh- theemmmmmmm ouuuuuuuutAH!!!”

    You are the reason the USA is behind other countries academically.

  • ScaryLogic

    You should do research on the origins of this game before making such erroneous claims.

  • ScaryLogic

    If this is proof that this game is evil, then what do the crusades prove about Christianity?

  • Shawn Cameron

    This has to be a troll. This is too loony even for Beck’s followers.

  • Shawn Cameron

    You have mutant powers.

  • ScaryLogic

    Don’t be an idiot. Have you even played it?

  • ScaryLogic

    HAh

  • Anonymous

    I already have.

  • Shawn Cameron

    Ok so if that is true how come nobody has come up with the idea to play Disney movies in prisons. Clearly that would turn murderers and rapists into Mary Poppins right?

  • Anonymous

    ScaryLogic is new to the game. He only has 12 views. Oh well you have to start somewhere.

  • ScaryLogic

    So something some guys just made up for fun, is a cursed game? How did it become cursed?

  • Anonymous

    Yep, like opening up a door and inviting them in.

  • lisa

    I couldn’t agree more!!!!!!!!

  • ScaryLogic

    That’s what I thought. Disregard my claim and create a straw man. Classic. Ive been on this site a LONG time, and I’m always entertained by the dumb comments, but this time they were especially stupid. So much so I just had to get in on the fun.

  • Chris

    Your “scarylogic” is the reason. Bad parenting and Governmental policies are why USA is behind. Besides, we’re still the greatest Country ever.

  • ScaryLogic

    The greatest country ever you say? What are you basing THAT off of other than the fact that this is where you’re from?

  • Anonymous

    Wow Tuneks you only have 6 comments. Your not a troll are you?

  • Anonymous

    Click on his avatar and see how long he has been around. Deceiver!

  • ShannonJez

    My parents were also divorced. I think you have a point with removal of God from society. Parents have to play a part in children’s lives to keep them grounded and teach them morals and a belief system. There was something wrong with these girls whether it be their family or they were just too weak minded to know right from wrong. I suppose that still falls back on the parents though.

  • ScaryLogic

    Yes, all new members who don’t agree with you are evil…how very…christian

  • Shawn Cameron

    #1 and 2 I would agree with, #3 is simply a crock.

    Nobody ever killed themselves from playing Dungeons and Dragons.
    Nobody ever killed themselves from listening to Ozzy Osbourne.
    Nobody ever dropped an anvil on someone elses head from watching Bugs Bunny.
    There has never been ONE documented case of a Satanic ritual sacrifice.
    Nobody ever killed someone else because of a VIDEO GAME!

    Hysteria on the other hand has killed many people.

  • ShannonJez

    agree

  • Anonymous

    I speak the truth. You are a troll.

  • ScaryLogic

    Define troll. Because all I’ve done is disagree with you and provide counter-points (which you still haven’t answered) if the only qualifier for a “troll” is someone who disagrees with you then I assume most of the logical world is a troll, in which case… thank you.

  • Shawn Cameron

    No matter if he’s a troll or not the point he made is valid and the fact that you are deflecting says more about you than anything else.

  • Tera Blair Kirk

    Weak minded people cave to substance abuse and violence unto others. What is the answer? A less stupid population. When you figure out how to get that these problems will go away. #truth

  • Anonymous

    If you really want to know look up John Todd’s testimony on youtube. He was a satanist.

  • Doris

    I agree, and want to add that most (if not all) of the school, theater, shootings were by people on or just off of meds. I don’t think all doctors know what the long term effects of meds are. Meds weren’t around in the 1920′s. I’ve heard of people being on as many as 15 or 20 at a time. That’s ridiculous!

  • ShannonJez

    So are you going to now dictate what people can and can’t watch. I find people with your mindset dangerous. If you don’t want to watch horror shows don’t but you certainly have no right to dictate what others should or shouldn’t watch nor should you look down your pointed little nose at people who have stronger minds than you. The difference in you and others who are able to watch scary movies is we know it’s not real. You apparently are just like these 2 girls with no sense of reality and fiction.
    Have a nice day and I hope you don’t fall off that pedestal, you’re liable to hurt yourself.

  • ShannonJez

    Or should have been

  • ShannonJez

    Peer pressure is difficult to overcome when you have a weak mind and limited parental supervision

  • ScaryLogic

    So… what is YOUR reasoning for why the game is “cursed” what are the qualifiers? How do you know what is and isn’t cursed. Would you still be saying this game is cursed if this story hadn’t come to light? Somehow I doubt it.

  • Sam

    This year, the Waukesha Public School District issued iPads to all the students at the middle school level. These girls were issued iPads and according to the story in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, had backgrounds of the slender man. The school also failed to monitor the student’s usage of the iPads. So, these girls could have been using a school-issue resource to view this “Slender Man”. Should schools be allowed to issue this technology to students?

  • ScaryLogic

    This game did not cause this. End of story. There’s nothing even remotely similar to what they did in the game.

  • Shawn Cameron

    Yes. there are very simple ways to block whatever you want blocked.

  • ScaryLogic

    Why would we limit what are available to kids just because of what one or two crazies might do? How long have computer labs been in schools? Since the early 90s. The solution is simple. Filtering software on the wifi

  • Anonymous

    I doubt you really want to know. All the mockers do is deflect the truth. If you want to know the truth do the research. It may surprise you. John Todd spoke about how he and his family were involved in cursing books, video games and other things in order to gain legal rights to your soul using witchcraft. This is no joke. But don’t take my word for it. Do your own research. Like I said I am only here to warn. Whether or not you heed that warning is up to you.

  • Anonymous

    Please don’t blame video games. We gamers are not violent or mean people. Also You forgot the pills. Which are more than likely linkable. Oh. And the news media glorifying these tragedies. Or the websites that rank serial killers and gives them merit for number of kills and weapons used. There are far more sicker things out there fueling these crazies than just the simple “blame video games, movies, tv and music.”

  • BTDey

    “Fear, shame and paranoia”… sounds like catholism.

  • ScaryLogic

    Deflect? You mean like you’re doing? Some random guy decided to curse video-games? Why is that even credible? I looked that guy up, and all the videos say “Ex-illuminati” oh man… if you believe in that stuff…. YOU need to do reseach and use credible sources. Fun fact. This game never even existed in physical form, it was always a download. How would it have been cursed? Did every single KB of the game that has been distributed (which would be in the trillions) get effected by this “curse”?

    How does any of this work? It’s called thinking critically. I know, sometimes logic can be scary.

  • Cheryl Gaughan

    Just because you personally can handle horror movies doesn’t mean everyone can. Our minds aren’t carbon copies of each other, and we have different ways of reacting to different scenarios.

    For example, I have a highly visual mind and have to avoid horror movies like the plague, even commercials of horror movies. If I don’t, they affect my life for an extended amount of time afterwards (and has ranged from months to years). Every time I close my eyes or am alone, I see images of those movies. It’s not healthy.

    I don’t feel like people should assume that just because they can experience something without consequences, that means everyone else can too.

    These girls were obviously affected by what they saw (and probably some other outside causes too) and it’s scary to know what that can eventually lead to, if left to fester.

  • Anonymous

    That sounds like quite the superiority pedestal you built for yourself too, Shannon. Be careful.

  • M Davis

    If you’re going to post any state that large in the back ground over the United States. Post Alaska! Texas is ‘tiny’ compared to Alaska!

  • BTDey

    Thankfully you aren’t a lawyer, as your rested “case” has no factual evidence to prove any of what you have been “preaching”. Maybe you should check out the back end of the bible for some “horror” stories..

  • ShannonJez

    Goes back to how you are raised in my opinion. My parents raised me to be strong and independent. I wasn’t shielded from silly things like make believe movies, instead the fact that it was make believe was reinforced and there was nothing to be afraid of. To me it’s like riding a roller coaster. Adrenaline rush and back to the real world.

    I think its what you’re exposed to and how you’re exposed to it. Good parenting solves most problems

  • FXH_Vickles

    Deflecting is all they can do ,because logic,reasoning,and fact based comments are scary…instead blame it on magical beings and not something logical like psychologically disturbed people…..

  • Anonymous

    If you are going to diss someone for creating a straw man argument, you might want to consider deleting your ‘crusades’ comment.

  • ScaryLogic

    False, that was drawing a comparison, using their own logic against them in a similar manner. Using an exaggerated example to show how idiotic that line of thinking is.

  • ShannonJez

    Basic point I was making is the ability to know the difference between reality and fiction. That comes from your parents. Sorry if my response offended you.

  • Felix Arenas

    Kevin you phrased it wrong. She was emotionally grounded enough to be disturbed by that which is disturbing. Kids these days are too desensitized and don’t feel anything that they should feel. These two little girls should have felt disgusted at the thought of killing their friend but this garbage they were allowed to watch numbed them. They were no longer disturbed by the thought that their actions could possibly kill or hurt someone.

  • Guest

    When I was religious, Revelations was probably the scariest thing anyone could read…..scarier than Slender man.

  • Lillian

    Shielding them from the world will not prepare them enough to leave the nest in the first place.

  • Shawn Cameron

    So would taking a person who is “desensitized” and forcing them to watch the Hallmark channel 24-7, would that “re-sensatize” them?

  • FXH_Vickles

    More than likely doesn’t play video games(but will say they do for sake of argument) ,but tries to make a fact based comment.( Many games are evil) How about you go play the game , and come back to comment. You will see it’s a game made for thrills,but be careful you may become infested with a demon.

  • ScaryLogic

    This makes absolutely no sense. Its clear you don’t have any experience with this game, or story. You MIGHT (and that’s a BIG might) have a small point if there were any science whatsoever to show a correlation between violent games and significant desensitization, but there really isn’t Furthermore, this game isn’t even violent

  • Jason

    Maosucks. You hit the problem right on.

  • FXH_Vickles

    Your right, but it always has to be something worse with people…..a conspiracy

  • Anonymous

    Alcoholism is a disease. People don’t fall in to it. It isn’t about what people can handle. That is like a drunk saying he can handle driving home when he can’t even stand up. If you are sick you won’t have the ability to know you can’t handle something. Why bother dabbling in darkness in the first place? Doesn’t make any sense. I agree that these girls must have had some warning signs of mental illness.

  • Kevin

    1. The U.S. Army switched from circle targets to silhouettes in the early 1900′s. There was an increase in new soldiers being able to shoot live people.
    2. No, I do not regularly read science digests to reference particular studies, but you do not have any grasp of human nature or kids to not understand there is a huge correlation between what kids are exposed to and their actions.
    3. The simple fact that the assailants specifically attributed this “Slender Man”, whatever that is, as their motive connects the viewing and engagement of the activity to their actions.
    4. To suggest that Felix’s post makes no sense is scary logic.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t care..unless these kids have known mental issues, they knew what they were doing. Can you say psychopath ? They were 12, old enough to know better

  • Kevin

    Does the wind whistle when it goes thru your empty head?

  • ScaryLogic

    Tell us from your own personal
    experience.

  • SR

    Disagree. I watched my own brother play Grand Theft Auto for years, disapproving as the older grown up sister, I begged my parents to take the games from him. They didn’t. Guess what? He continually gets into cop chases in REAL LIFE now that he is an adult. He also devalues sex, one of the premises in the game is to hire a hooker and make the van rock back and forth. He is in and out of jail (currently in serving 6 months resisting arrest). I honestly think a game with the goal of running from the cops that gave him winning points for doing so, wired his brain to step on the peddle in real life when flashing lights are behind him. So I don’t doubt a game with killing as the winning goal is much different to the mind. My kids will be shielded from garbage games and films.

  • Shawn Cameron

    Why olive oil? Why not canola oil or peanut oil? Are peanuts and rapeseed tools of the devil?

  • ScaryLogic

    Problem with your little quip is I studied this stuff in college, so yes, I do in fact have an understanding of the LACK of a correlation between violent games as well as heavy metal music, translating to violent actions. (And this game isn’t even violent!)

    Solider’s shooting human silhouettes? OK, so?

    You say “The simple fact that the assailants specifically attributed this
    “Slender Man”, whatever that is, as their motive connects the viewing
    and engagement of the activity to their actions.” That is utterly false. correlation does not equal causation, science 101 (I know, I know, more of that pesky education)

    You don’t even know anything about the game in question, while I have been following this since the game was new. How can you possibly expect to debate this with me without first getting your facts straight?

  • Whitehead Laurie

    Jon, if you want to shield them, you will have to homeschool them. When you think of school “culture,” think of a petri dish in a laboratory Then think of your innocent child being dunked into that petrie dish of drugs, sex, bullying, cliques, etc. It is mild K-3rd or 4th grade, but by middle school, it is nasty!

  • HoneyTree EvilEye

    He lives in Texas, has nothing to do with the biggest state. Texas is superior to Alaska though, so there’s that.

  • ScaryLogic

    You need to do more reading on the subject. Millions of people of all ages play that game, and don’t do what you are describing.So that in and of itself disproves your hypothesis. You can’t honestly apply A+B = C here. There is definitely more going on.

  • ScaryLogic

    Obviously

  • j.k.peterson@comcast.net

    You’re right on the money, walkintruth. Satan and his legions know their time is short and stealing, killing and destroying anyone they can. It’s all about morals and spiritual warfare.

  • ShannonJez

    I’m sorry about your brother Shawn. That must be a terrible feeling. My son played GTA and he’s ok, I watched horror movies and I’m OK. There’s more to it than what you watch or play. Having said that I truly am sorry and I hope get can overcome his situation.

  • Anonymous

    What worked for you and I may not work for all children growing up.

  • ScaryLogic

    So these demons have all this power that you claim, and yet a story that is years old has only just now caused something bad to happen? And the kid didn’t even die.

    I don’t think I’ll worry about ‘em too much because the decision making of these demons as you say… seems to be borderline retarded.

  • Shawn Cameron

    Just pointing out the ridiculousness of the idea that (video games, movies, etc.) take perfectly normal people and turn them into violent killers. If that were true then forcing violent killers to watch Disney movies would have the opposite effect.

    But when you phrase it like that people actually see just how ludicrous it is.

  • jagrammy

    Parents aren’t allowed to parent or they’re too lazy to parent and leave everything up to the schools. Either way it’s no wonder we have screwed up kids.

  • HoneyTree EvilEye

    Don’t blame the internet. These girls are clearly sociopaths and were going to do something no matter what they read or saw. I hope they’re thrown away for the rest of their lives because they absolutely can’t be fixed.

  • ScaryLogic

    I’m sad nobody is really responding to me… I guess you are less likely to spout ignorance when someone is standing at the ready to challenge you…Oh well.

  • ScaryLogic

    Your comment is true in some cases, but I don’t believe any blame falls to the school this time. These kids were severely screwed in the head a long time ago, for reasons we may never know.

  • SR

    I agree, there is more to it than A+B=C. It’s effects happen to a person in active brain development stages. Ages 10-18 are formative years, the frontal cortex is growing, its that time of fog in childhood where consequences seem un-real. I know it is not definitive, but what does a game like grand theft auto add to a person’s life? Nothing. I am not saying if a person plays it, they will get into a cop chase, but it did condition my brother to do so.

  • ScaryLogic

    There simply isn’t evidence to support that claim.

  • Melissa Carlstrom

    I really am sorry ShannonJez if you think I’m telling people how to live their lives, I specifically said “I suppose it depends on how you choose to live your life.” not in a bashing way but acknowledging the fact that we all choose different ways to live our lives. I’m just a strong believer that what you willing take in, you willing give out. I LOVE mystery movies! Even one’s with some violence and language. It’s the mindless killing and destruction with no real point to it, other than to terrify you movies that I personally can not handle.

  • Ian Wian Peuterbaugh

    you can’t be serious. If you think THAT’s the extent of it, then you’re just looking for a scapegoat. Try absent and permissive parenting, encouraging an unstructured and unorganized lifestyle. Also, by extension, try not parenting b/c lil bro doesn’t need to be parented, BECAUSE HES PLAYING AN “M” GAME (the rated R equivalant).

  • FXH_Vickles

    All this talk makes me want to play Slender man again…

  • Melissa Carlstrom

    Not because I can’t tell the difference between fiction and non-fiction but because it doesn’t leave me feeling positive, excited or intrigued. I believe that these two 12years old girls were so desperate to belong that they clung on to this troubled fantasy.

  • Jessie

    I’m 17 years old and grew up with out a computer and only watched cartoons on Saterday morning, because that the only thing my parents let me watch. To tell the truth I am truly happy for that. It can be very weird what i hear kids that are only 5 or 6 talk about. It’s bad how much that has just changed from my generation and how much kids can be desencitized by the internet or tv. So what Glenn Beck is saying should be taken very serously, watch out for what the younger keds see.

  • ScaryLogic

    Sounds more like you were just sheltered. That can be just as damaging as letting kids do whatever they want

  • Justin

    Slender Man isn’t a game, he comes from folk lore. Slender, The Eight Pages is the game.

    Violent games do not have a correlation between violence when compared to movies and certain other forms of entertainment, we do not know what happens if they are introduced to a community that doesn’t normally have access to TV and movies.

    The given cause was the folk lore of Slender Man, as was stated by the two girls. They could be lying, but it’s fairly safe to assume that the reason they did it was the reason given, to go live with Slender Man. Now if it wasn’t Slender Man at this point in their life it could have easily been something else, the reasoning given though, was Slender Man.

    Just for more clarity on the matter, the game isn’t what’s in question.

  • Jessie

    No i wasn’t i’ve had a lot of expereance with things

  • Melissa Carlstrom

    the “Protected” comes to mind, instead of just “Sheltered”. As a parent I know that you can’t hover over your children their whole life but we need to guide them and Yes, protect them from things they just Don’t need to see.

  • ScaryLogic

    You’re only 17 and grew up watching cartoons. That is sheltered if I ever heard it.

  • Melissa Carlstrom

    Whats so wrong with that, he doesn’t seem like a menace to society. That’s how he grew up and this is just his opinion.

  • Shawn Cameron

    I mean this with all due respect but that’s a crock. It’s easier for you to blame a game than to believe your brother is just a scumbag. Believe me I understand, and sympathize, my wife’s brother is a scumbag but it’s not because of anything he watched or played. It’s because he was spoiled rotten and was never taught to be responsible for his actions.

  • Jessie

    Thank You that’s a great way to say it.

  • Jessie

    Don’t for get we are always growing up and i hinted to how much I’ve seen change which means i needed to see the change.

  • Melissa Carlstrom

    No, that’s what the Horror movies did to me as a teenager. I am a Christ follower, who truly strives to understand all walks of life and to Love everyone. No judgement, just stating that Horror movies make me feel Yucky and don’t have a real point to them, in my opinion.

  • Bo Tye

    Those of the liberty school understand that voluntary associations of free men are capable of far more than detached central planners operating with inferior information and selfish political motives.

  • SR

    I think the desensitization of children is wrong. They should not be playing these games, reading gross books, or watching these movies. Their mind’s can’t handle it. You simply are not going to be a morally bound, friendly, well adjusted person if this is what your childhood was full of. I am not saying watching killing makes you a killer, I am saying watching killing makes you uncaring about it, not distressed about it, the line is blurred. I am not blaming the game entirely, I made it pretty clear the lack of parenting he was receiving. I just know the game didn’t do him any favors in the real world.

  • ScaryLogic

    It didn’t necessarily hurt him either.

  • ScaryLogic

    XD

  • FXH_Vickles

    I am kind of scared to though….those demons, ya know?

  • BTDey

    Much like sexism in all major religions. There’s no point to it. Unless you truly believe that man has one less rib…..

  • Melissa Carlstrom

    ?? I’m not attacking anyone else’s way of thinking or what they believe; I simply stated what I believe in a non-threatening way I hope.

  • FXH_Reaper

    Isn’t blaming video games just as bad as the liberal left blaming guns
    for mass murder? Just because some kids decided to stab their “friend” after reading some stories/ playing the game does not mean its the fault of the writer or the video game. The saturation of violence is through the roof but why does it only seem to affect a small number of people who suddenly were “influenced” by it?

    I was a huge horror fan during my pre-teens and into my teen years, but I never once took them seriously or felt that I was “being possessed” as I see some here like to believe. I keep hearing the Republicans say we need smaller government and leaving the responsibility of ones well being to the individual, but now you want to shovel responsibility of their actions onto some ones and zeros or some words a guy wrote for a scary story contest?

    This is nothing more than a BS cover story because they tried to kill
    someone they didn’t like. They took her out into the woods and tried to kill her, this was nothing more than premeditated murder that backfired because they didn’t realize just how resilient the human body can actually be to anyone but a person who was trained to kill.

    Ever since video game violence was allowed as a defense that has been a popular scape goat. First it was violent movies, then violent TV shows, then it was violent lyrics in rap and now its video games and apparently writing. So I ask again when does it stop being some objects problem and start becoming a problem with the individual?

  • ScaryLogic

    THIS

  • Kendra

    I think all of the forms of media you mentioned do have an impact on a persons mind and can influence a person a certain way. One tends to act on what one has repeated exposure to. It is sad to see situations like this happening.

  • FXH_Vickles

    ……I don’t see what you did there

  • Genius, not crazy

    You are pathetic. Your points are all invalid to the nature of demons. Have you ever seen a demon. A horror game can be real and influence others to commit acts of homicide against others. You must be one of those republicans, and if so you don’t belong here. You aren’t a valid response to anything. You aren’t a true American citizen. Go somewhere else with your stupid response. I hope you cleanse your ways as the demons have already attacked your soul.

  • ScaryLogic

    A healthy mind is not susceptible to outside influences to a degree that would result in something like this.

  • ScaryLogic

    So, why haven’t the millions of others that played this done the same thing? Speaking of invalid.

  • FXH_Reaper

    I think that only has an effect on someone who is already messed up in the head. While helping my brother out with his studies in becoming a LEO we were directed to a site that the police use to desensitize themselves from gore and violence. I have seen things on that site that would make most people lose their lunch, I have no desire to go out and do any of what I have seen.

  • Josh J.

    What if it was a demonic thing? We know that demonic stuff can happen… The demon could have used “slender man” as the way to get into the girls minds

  • FXH_Vickles

    LMAO!!! I almost pissed myself

  • Tasady

    Your wrong. It is irrelevant what you “studied” at college, it’s more relevant as to what college, what text book based on whose theory and or scientific studies. If you studied the mind, you will see what brainwashing is. How your environment and how every thought creates a thread and the more you repeat the thought or action the stronger the thread gets, That visualization, has the power to trick the brain into believing it had already performed the action. If you studied child development (101) then you would know how “impressionable” children are, therefore spending hours everyday on a specific scenario, to the point that it infiltrates the dream state as well as convolutes the reality, is a fact…we set age limits for various things, for a reason, a developing mind is easy to program..

  • BTDey

    You started with saying “no judgement” and finished by saying “there’s no point” (in your opinion) to them. Can you not see the hypocrisy? You now insinuate I’m “attacking” you for giving an opinion. By the way scary stories were told long before the bible was ever written, so there must be some point for them to have lasted this long.

  • ScaryLogic

    Stop with this… it’s so utterly stupid it makes me sick.

  • Jessie

    Your point that is was a individual choice is very true. Yet the Girls were still moved of by the slender man story and your right it’s not the author’s problem. It is just that sometime we have to realize this stuff effects the kids and this we can improve of this from happening. Those girl life will mostly will be spent in prison because people didn’t watch them and show that this stuff is fake. Parent’s are the one’s to do this.

  • FXH_Vickles

    because your being influenced by them right now without knowing it …….did I get that one right?

  • ScaryLogic

    Yes, but a couple things.

    1: This game/mythos has NOTHING in it even remotely similar to what these kids did

    2: If there was a significant correlation to these types of things, we would see millions of cases like this a year, but we don’t.

    3: The kids were mental, that’s all there is to it.

    4: You’re

  • Guest

    This is fun…

  • Genius, not crazy

    YOU ARE THE TROLL! Can you not see the foolish acts of resentment towards others simply commenting? Jumping to conclusions about opinions on others for something they said does not make them the troll. Do you have a mirror? You may want to use it and hopefully you will see the truth. Maybe you don’t seek the truth, but hide behind the lies of despair and hope you will become better. Otherwise, you are the foul troll the internet produces. You unholy demon like creature.

  • Kendra

    It all comes down to choice, but certain images will never leave a persons mind and can fester if left unchecked until thoughts of action take control. I don’t disagree with you, but have to be realistic at what can happen to a persons mind. The mind is powerful, but can also be weak. I agree with Mr. Beck in that as parents we need to monitor what our kids are choosing to entertain themselves with.

  • David

    This is the last straw, I think all guns should be outlawed!

  • Jessie

    You keep missing the point. Kids are easily influenced by this things, like how kids follow examples of other people. It dose not make them mental.

  • FXH_Reaper

    Have I seen an actual demon? No, I highly doubt you have either. Have I experienced demonic activity? yes. My old land lord decided to not inform my family that the house was once used for demon worship and animal sacrifice, we were able to get our pastor and the deacons out to our house.

    They prayed in every room and asked for Gods protection over us, and as we moved throughout the property we found an old shed that had several pentagrams and old candles. We had the shed removed and our pastor came out on a daily basis for two weeks before the demonic activity completely stopped.

    Using YOUR OWN definition of influence the Bible is literally just as dangerous then, if you objectively sit back and read it not for the message of Gods word but take the literal word in there it is one of the most violent books out there. So by your definition is the Bible dangerous?

    So what does it matter what party I identify with? last I checked Glenn Beck tends to be conservative as well, what are YOU doing on here? and what makes me not a true American? I was born here, in fact my fathers side owned all of Georgia during the colonial times. Does that not make me American? I have a CCW and I am constantly out there trying to make America better and not force it into socialism like the left is doing. We were founded on the principles of each man being accountable for his own well being, you socialists/ communists just want to be lazy and have the government take care of you.

  • Anonymous

    Yes Satan is the ruler of this world until Jesus returns. God bless you.

  • ScaryLogic

    I’m simply staying on subject. I’m not missing the point at all. I am stating that there is not enough correlation between what our senses intake to what actions we make.

    You are twisting what I’m saying. These kids were *mental, if they decided to brutally stab their “friend” after reading some horror stories.

  • ScaryLogic

    Satan rules what God created? Explain that please.

  • Jessie

    Why so people can’t defend themselves? Gun aren’t the problem it’s the people make the choices. Why is it so hard for people to get this?

  • FXH_Vickles

    He is trolling you lol

  • Genius, not crazy

    Think very clearly. Other then the crazy people on this site, who would comment such idiocy just to piss off a said someone. ;)

  • Anonymous

    The olive branch was the first sign of peace from God. When Noah sent the dove out he came back with the olive branch.

  • FXH_Vickles

    I like riddles lmao

  • FXH_Reaper

    Wow well done, well done. I get it… ya jerk :p

  • Jessie

    Well i could be taking you wrong, but still things can still modeovate children to do things.

  • FXH_Vickles

    lmao

  • Genius, not crazy

    The gig is up! Run!

  • Jessie

    Yea a lot of people are doing that ;)

  • FXH_Vickles

    lol

  • Steve Stillwell

    It’s not just a game. If you actually read the article you would see that what they were reading was fanfiction online.

    Also, the whole ‘correlation does not equal causation’ arguement is overused. It doesn’t mean that there can’t be causation, merely that correlation alone does not imply causation.

    Before you respond though, I agree with your opinion. I’ve played violent games since I was a kid (I played Mortal Kombat at my friend’s house when I was 6-7 even though my mom told me not to) and I’ve never gotten into a fight or done anything criminal. There’s so much more to how children act than what video games or stories they read, unless that’s the only thing they’ve ever done.

  • Anonymous

    When Satan fell from heaven he was cast down with a third of angels to earth. People think he is in hell. He rules this world now and he influences us here trying to take as many souls as he can. Read the bible. There is a thing called “free will” that God allowed. God created Lucifer who was beautiful who then rebelled and God then called him Satan. Lucifer suffered from too much pride. He convinced the one third of angels that he would be God. He is very good at being a copy cat. He cannot create. He assimilates.

  • FXH_Reaper

    Yea, turns out a friend of mine was Genius, not crazy and knew what buttons to push to set me off.

  • ScaryLogic

    Doesn’t say anything about fan fiction. Well, by definition it was, but the original story was not anything like this. And the game is what made this creepy pasta so popular

  • C. Crawford

    I just wonder why kids these days can’t make out fiction from reality. As a child, I didn’t have the best home life. I always read dark books, watched scary movies, and saw a few too many terrifying things at home. But NEVER did I think to go stab my friends and leave them for dead. What the hell were they thinking? That slender man was real? I hope not. They must be pretty mentally unstable to even begin to believe such a tale. Didn’t everyone else hear urban legends as a kid??? Jeez.

  • ShannonJez

    And that’s the fault of their parents and not the movies

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, but that’s just a silly statement. Murderers and rapists are people who have already been damaged by life and their parents and their surroundings. Becoming acclimated to violence and gore are a fact. Ask anyone you know who is in medicine.

  • ScaryLogic

    How does he rule?

  • Mike

    I will respond to you. Stay away from me and my kids. How’s that?

  • ScaryLogic

    How was it? Stupid and irrelevant, though given a lot of the comments here, and what gets voted up, I can’t say I’m surprised.

    Just for arguments sake, why would you say that? Teaching your kids not to question the world around them? Good job.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know if there is a study on the normalization argument, but I think that if you read up on the lives of most of the young people who have committed violent crimes recently, (ie: James Holmes, Adam Lanza, Jared Loughner, etc.), you will find that all of them were fans of violent video games. That’s probably not empirical, but it’s definitely food for thought.

  • ShannonJez

    If you’re looking for a point Dracula is good verses evil. Hitchcock movies make you think, scare you, take you on a roller coaster ride till the end when it all comes together. Just a matter of what you like. Still fictional and not happening! I love mystery movies too but they are more things that actually could happen. Watching those don’t make you go out and commit crimes. That was just the point I was trying to make. You’re smart enough to know not to do those things because of your parents and your upbringing. These girls had something missing in their lives. Guess it’s for the shrinks to sort out now, I’m just glad the kid they attacked is still alive.

  • Josh J.

    How is it stupid may I ask…?

  • ScaryLogic

    Ya, junk food. If anything that would be more indicative of a “loner” type lifestyle, but even then, that is hardly more than a stereotype born out of pre-concieved notions. Why aren’t books and movies under the same scrutiny? I would bet good money they found those in the homes of all of these people

  • Melissa Carlstrom

    I completely agree. I was just saying that I personally don’t see the value in those movies. But above all else their care givers should have been monitoring what was going on in their lives and spending more time one on one with them.

  • Anonymous

    Jon, it doesn’t cause everyone to become a crazy mass murderer, but it contributes to the insanity of people who are already experiencing problems, and already have other triggers in their lives. Violence is bad in any form. When we mature, we learn that.

  • ScaryLogic

    Because it’s full of more logical holes than you can count.

  • Anonymous

    He rules us in our mind lying and making us do his bidding.He causes illness, disasters and pain. The battlefield is in our mind. We think it is our thoughts but we are being tempted and attacked. If you have the Holy Spirit and Jesus you will know the truth and you will be saved.

  • ScaryLogic

    How does he cause illness if he can’t create? We know illness is caused by viruses and bacteria.

    Disasters are caused by innumerable things, but off the top of my head the popular ones would be earthquakes and tsunamis which are caused by plate tectonics, Volcanic eruptions which are caused by, duh, volcanoes and a build up of pressure to put it really simply, tornadoes which are caused by changes in air pressure systems and differentiating temperatures.

    Myth – BUSTED

  • Steve Stillwell

    I disagree with the God bit. There’s plenty of countries that are more athiest than the US that have much less violence. You don’t need to be Christian, or even religious, to have good values.

  • Melissa Carlstrom

    When I said “No judgment” I meant to the people who do enjoy Horror films. And at the end when I said that statement, I did say “In my opinion”. As we live in North America I do believe that you’re allowed to talk about the things you like and dislike freely. Unless you’re being hurtful or offensive it should be alright, others will want to hear what you have to say and others won’t, and that’s okay.

  • Amy

    I am not sure if children should be shielded from the world so much as just supervised during their introduction to the world. Believe it or not, parents should introduce their children to everything or most everything the first time, not to condone or condemn but to teach. Too many parents just sweep it under the rug like condemning teachers from havings pictures on their FB page of them holding alcoholic beverages….. like alcohol doesn’t exist. Instead show them responsible drinking vs irresponsible drinking. For example if the parents knew these kids were obsessed with this horrible character. They could have discussed the character/stories with the children and straightened their skewed image of the character’s grandeur. They could have helped the children process what the character represents in a healthy way vs. just hiding the children from the existence of the character.

  • Michael Bonamico

    Yeah- I think the parents should be on trial and the girls in some really good therapy. To not notice your children in this manner is pure neglect. I always question my children on what is real and what is make believe. What is true and what is not. They are 7 and 10 and I have done this since they were able to respond and will continue until they are sound adults. If you truly love and care for your children you know them through and through.

  • Rachel

    I’d love to read the paper on how candles work that he mentions. Does anyone know what it’s called, who it’s by and where I can get it please?

  • Stephanie Soucek

    I know a parent who took his five year old son to see “The Dark Knight” when it came out which was a horrible idea. That movie freaked me out, although I thought it was good. there are some things kids just should not see and some things affect certain kids more than others. Parents need to keep an eye on what their kids are watching and if it’s affecting them negatively. I don’t see what’s wrong with that.

  • ScaryLogic

    There’s a difference between parenting, and locking them in a proverbial bubble.

  • Anonymous

    God never intended for us to have illness, pain or any fear. In order for you to really understand you need to read the bible. I tried to explain the best I could. Without the knowledge of the bible you won’t truly get it.

  • ScaryLogic

    I have plenty of knowledge of the Bible, in all honesty probably more than you, because it actually says the opposite of what you are trying to tell me.

    Where does it say we were never intended to have sickness? And even if that’s true, you didn’t answer my question regarding where sickness comes from as well as the cause of natural disasters.

  • Tim Klein

    When it comes to this topic it makes me think about a few things.
    1) Is it truly the game causing it, or is it an enabler to the thoughts already going through someone’s mind?
    2) Most of the games that depict violence are games I tend to stay away from which goes along with my dislike for confrontation, hurting others and so on.
    3) I’ve had plenty of friends that LOVE playing GTA, but they are law abiding citizens and wouldn’t hurt a fly. Have you ever stopped to think about WHY your brother enjoyed playing that game? These are all things he might have already been capable of. Was the game what pushed him over the edge to act these things out or would it have happened anyway? That is what I’d like to know.

  • Josh J.

    Give me some logical “holes” then to my statement hot shot

  • Sherry Lee

    This is what I have tried to warn people about. They are seducing your children and leading them to the dark side. They want your children. They control your minds

  • ScaryLogic

    Who is “they”? I think you’ll find this is an innocent story made for fun, and these children are simply mental.

    Do you also blame cars for drunk drivers?

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  • ScaryLogic

    You’re welcome.

  • ScaryLogic

    Ok, where to begin. First of all, you said “we know demonic things can happen” Um… how do we know that? What evidence is there for it?

    You also go on to claim “The demon could have used *slender man to get into the girls’ minds” …what? You do know it’s not a real thing right? It’s just a story somebody made up years ago on the internet. There is no reason to believe it is anything but that. It’s also a popular video game. So what of the millions of other kids that have played and read this story? Nothing happened with them. There is no congruency to your claim.

    The whole idea of demons being the reason for this sort of thing is not only a regression in rationale to when ancient people thought the mentally handicapped were possessed, but also it’s absurd,archaic,and frankly a bit silly while simultaneously spitting in the face of the decades of science and study of the human mind that has been done thus far.

    Should I go on?

  • pow

    I have played violent games, watched violent movies, and seen plenty of violence and I have never committed a violent act because of a movie, a game or because I seen someone else do it. At 12 kids have a mind of there own no one or no thing is to blame but themselves… I have literally had 14 people die in my arms while waiting on ambulance to get there but still, I have never been one to say they did it I can to… y’all are blaming everything and everyone but the girls,who at the age of 12 know right from wrong…

  • Corrina

    Alright, I can understand why you think you are doing a good thing by your kids to “shield” them from dirty things. However, when you shield them or protect them from bad things (such as movies, books, music, games, and even the news), you are actually doing the exact opposite of protecting them. They are now severely naive to the world around them(fantasy and real life). The best thing is to ALLOW them to view those things that you find negative and TEACH them the difference between the right and the wrong in the music that is dirty, or the games that contain violence, or the movies that contain nudity. Explain to them why what actions certain characters took were the wrong actions, and explain to them the consequences of those said actions. My parents shielded me from negative things in movies, tv, and music…and I ended up having to learn some of life’s lessons the hard way. Do you understand that? I hate sounding mean or condescending, but sometimes it really is necessary. Also, some kids are more apt to rebel against you and do the exact opposite of what you say when you become overprotective and that also ends up teaching them the lesson the hard way. You really don’t want that, trust me.

  • Jenn Nicole Hunt

    I agree, it could have been. Or they could just be crazy. But I have had my own personal experiences with demonic activity and it stopped when I got older, but when I was a teen, things happened fairly often. Woke up to being choked once and pushed while alone another time.

  • ScaryLogic

    There are logical explanations for those occurrences, I guarantee it wasn’t demons. C’mon now…

  • shawna

    just as we say the gun doesnt shoot itself the game its self isnt the absolute problem…its the fact that we alow our children to grow up with the view that its okay to look/ enjoy stuff like killing maybe the act in the game is fake but regardless it gives the children the view that oh well this isnt bad and then when presented with it onn real life scale it is not as big of a deal to them to act upon it because they have seen the blood and guts so many times it doesnt register pain or fear or even sympathy. and i hav never played the game but am just not agreeing with the way u are arguing that they have no relevence to our culuture or children. also i find points will be taken more into consideration if you dont get personal/ defencive in childish ways.

  • Shawn Cameron

    Yes it is. Funny how you see how silly it is when it’s put that way. Yet you think it does work the other way around.

    Now that’s silly.

  • Angelfire

    What goes in your head comes out. Yes demons are real………and if given the open door of opportunity they will take over. Stop being stupid people…….read your bible.

  • Angelfire

    Yes………

  • ScaryLogic

    In the way you are presenting it. It doesn’t. Your claim that viewing violence in a video game makes a decision to kill someone easier is ludicrous.

    You then go on to say you’ve never played the game,(it’s not violent at all) so, what are you basing your knowledge off of? There certainly isn’t any credible data to support your claim to the extremity you are insisting….I’m really curious.

  • ScaryLogic

    Demons are real? Prove it.

  • Angelfire

    So, you don’t believe ideas come out of horror flicks when a child see’s them? Do you not think sitting in front of a tv watching demonic images will affect them? Really?

  • Kenneth K-Stylez Molette

    I’m torn between both… what they did was definitely dumb, stupid, horrific, and completely insane. Nothing questionable about that. But to charge them as adults at 12 years old? To me that just says that 7-10 years from now we’ll be charging 6-7 year old’s as adults.

  • ScaryLogic

    There’s a big difference between 12 and 6.

  • Kenneth K-Stylez Molette

    That is true. I just don’t wish to see that number get smaller and smaller.

  • ScaryLogic

    Right, and I was also surprised to hear such a heavy sentence. Realistically, I see this getting reduced, or some sort of insanity plea being brought forth because honestly, there’s no way these kids are mentally healthy

  • Sherry Lee

    This isn’t entertainment. You surrender your children to the dark side. Devils horn are being sold everywhere. They are sold in toy stores and given to children at writing competitions who participate in book festivals by publishing companies. They are being used in movies like pans labyrinth, home decor and even disguised as flowers. The public is totally oblivious and totally possessed. Parents are willingly surrendering their children to the dark side. There is voodoo and satanic props in many movies and satanic symbols used to promote satanism through the entertainment industry, star wars program, schools and businesses. Google uses satanism in their search engine themes. Now the satanic symbols are being used in mainstream media, advertisements, commercial products and spreading evil like a plague. Everyone is buying the merchandise without any awareness. Christians are being destroyed while the media plays this off as entertainment. There is even a happy meal book about a goat to introduce children to Satan. Nazis are spreading evil like a plague using witchcraft and satanic ritualistic symbols. People are blind. Christians are being destroyed while the media plays this off as entertainment. Children even give their allowance to child predators to buy their dark games and fantasy books used to entice and seduce them like the ginger bread house. A parent can’t protect their child if they are blindly enchanted by evil and going along for the ride to feed their pleasure senses and dark fantasies for fun. They don’t question the psychological or spiritual harm this does to their innocent child because the corporate monsters and leaders push evil products on society to profit off the gullible people they call slaves and make new offerings for satan. They keep the machine running for the anti Christ because they’ve replaced God with money and science. suffering feeds them. They’re destroyed their own children….There is no outlet. Any country who tries to lay a healthy god centered foundation is under attack. Sanity is destroyed by the wicked and people are suffering everywhere because everyone feeds the beast.man is weakly addicted to evil like a drug. People surrendered their souls for money out of stupidity People are possessed

  • Anonymous

    The content isn’t trash, it’s a thrill. I like following up on the tales of Slenderman and watching Marble Hornets on YouTube. It’s scary stuff, mysterious tales. It keeps you on the edge of your seat! But never once have I thought any ridiculous thought like this. These two girls got sucked into the sick, twisted side of an otherwise harmless spooky tale. They clearly have some other problems than just following up on Slenderman.

  • ScaryLogic

    Shut…up

  • shawna

    and also i disagree that its ludicrus to say that it it makes the dicession eaiser because it is breaking down the humans natural sense of right and wrong because the game (again) positively permotes killing and stealing. am sorry if i am not being clear in my arguments so please call me out and ask me any questions if it is hard to follow!!?

  • ScaryLogic

    It’s not hard to follow, you just don’t know what you’re talking about. Link me to multiple, credible, scientific findings that back up what you’re saying. I haven’t found any.

  • shawna

    i dont think its just a matter of sheilding, due to the fact we all have to go out into the big scary world at some point but we need to not positively enforce violence or sexuality in inappropriat or pornagraphic ways. of course it is there and we cannot control the world but showing our children the right and wrong in something and not alowing them to be completly exposed to it will help their judgment later in life. also video games are not a necessary thing in a childs life so choosing to not play them and having them play outside or bored games is not sheilding because the world isnt a video game lol

  • Arlene Swiger Belk

    Gods word says the love of many will wax cold in the end days. Children will have no natural love or affection for others. They will not have respect for any athority figures. This verse couldn’t be more true than it is today. Jesus is coming back and its a shame so many mock Christ and the almighty word of God. We all need to seek God and Men need to be men and lead. their families back to the church and back to the word of God and prayer.

  • ScaryLogic

    The world isn’t monopoly so we shouldn’t let them play that then.

    I’m not sure where everyone is getting this bias against video-games. I assume it’s mostly people who have no idea what they are about.

    Also, Glenn Beck is a total hypocrite. He says in this video not to blame the games, but no more than a week ago, was saying how “watchdogs” (a new popular game) was teaching kids to hack… it’s idiotic.

  • shawna

    wait that children learn from what they see and accept things as normal when we allow it to be a source of entertainment? dont get me wrong i love a scray movie but if i had grown up watching them i wouldnt be apoled by the methods ppl kill etc. i think the human population is evidence enough to the fact that as the world evolves we are evolving to bemore and more desensitized. even in symple things such as dress lenghts.

  • ScaryLogic

    If a child is accepting killing as normal, in other words, can’t discern fiction from reality, you have a mental patient on your hands.

    We are becoming more desensitized? What evidence is there for that? Dress lengths? Pffff, please. Prostitution used to be legal. We don’t even have public executions anymore. Society isn’t getting worse, people are just not looking at the big picture.

  • ScaryLogic

    People have thought it was the “end days” since the reign of Napoleon. A
    freak occurrence does not suddenly fulfill some prophecy, especially
    when there were much worse cases involving children, much more
    frequently 100s of years ago.

  • Shawn Cameron

    Your reasoning falls apart because there is NOTHING violent about Slender Man.

    John Hinckley was obsessed with Jodi Foster when he shot Reagan, so was it Jodi Foster’s fault? The guy in the theater in Colorado was obsessed with Batman, which while violent, it’s cartoon violence, are you also going to say Bugs Bunny causes violence? Son of Sam obsessed over the voices he heard from a dog.

    Could it possibly be that these people are screwed up to begin with and use whatever they obsess over to create the fantasies they have? Now if you want to say that those people are more drawn to the violent and macabre then ok no argument here. But saying that it “contributes to their insanity” I would say anything that they choose to obsess over does that.

  • Shawn Cameron

    LMAO so can we paint ourselves and our houses like a rainbow as well?

  • Shawn Cameron

    I bet you would have been loads of fun back in Salem.

  • shawna

    lol they are accepting it as ok bc they are getting a positive vibe out of it…also it used to be scandolus and looked down apon for a woman to have her ankles uncoverd…i mean all this that we are debating now was the demise of ancient civilization…it is replaying and as morals gow down so the crime and vulgarity goes up
    and maybe i am not as studied as you because i am only 16 but i can clearly see the problems with video games being acceptable for such young children to play at least the ones where the good/right thing is to kill or brutalze innocent ppl

  • shawna

    haha am saying that we are not sheilding gthem exclusivly from the world by monetoring what they play. and again its not all video games more directly the ones that promote the killing, stealing, etc. and i notice that u picked out the one thing i said and took it completly out of context (games) what do u think of my other points? i believe they are valid

  • noisyparker

    hm, I was enjoying your posts here (since I agreed with your overall position) until the end of this one. Saying “it’s idiotic” seems ironic to me insofar as it would indeed be idiotic for people to jump to the interpretation you repeated in that paragraph.

    Beck says he is not advocating *banning* games… he obviously personally thinks they *are* a problem (and that is reflected in the decisions he has made for his family). He wouldn’t agree with the different approach I am taking with my family, but he doesn’t believe he should get to make that decision for me. I don’t see the hypocrisy there.

    As for the Watch Dogs thing, he seemed to be disgusted with the idea that the player’s modus operendi would be to engage in hacking other folks personal devices. IOW, by presenting that in a form of entertainment, it would teach folks to look at such an activity as potentially justified. That it isn’t a privacy issue you should never consider violating, but just another option that is on the table, as it will be for Pierce.

    I was more annoyed with his presentation of John Pollard’s unsupported musings about CoD and suicide, which he went over a bit before he talked about Watch Dogs. To me, repeating some guy speculating about a serious charge like that was as lame as your repeating that wishful (on the part of people who would like to dismiss Beck as a nut) interpretation of the Watch Dogs comments.

  • ScaryLogic

    There are no video games were the goal is to kill innocent people. GTA comes the closest but that game is a satire of the human condition, not to be taken seriously, though there is a message to the overall game, and it isn’t as negative as the media would have you think.

    Dress standards were the demise of ancient civilizations? First of all, what ancient civilizations? Name one and I can tell you what caused it.

  • ScaryLogic

    You twist my words. I said it was idiotic that he claimed the game taught you how to hack. I don’t care how you interpreted his message, those are the words he said.

    And really, who cares if something as ridiculous as being able to access everyone’s personal device with your phone (which by the way will never be possible, trust me) is in a game? That isn’t teaching kids anything, except maybe the potential consequences of the patriot act being signed, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing for them to know.

    I recommend you become highly knowledgeable on these games that are such a “problem” before aligning with someone who contradicts themselves within a 7 day period.

    I think overall Glenn beck makes good points, but there are simply some things he says that are incorrect.

  • Joel

    I don’t think video games are to blame, in agreement with you. I do, on the other hand, see this as gross negligence in regards to parents relating to their children and their thoughts. I grew up with violent games, but never, ever thought of stabbing my friends to death. I think if I would have had these thoughts, my parents would have dealt with them accordingly. I think this is a prime example of children being raised by video games and media, rather than their parents, which should have an active role in their life.

  • noisyparker

    I guess that is something he has in common with you, then, since I think you made some good points elsewhere. Be well.

  • ScaryLogic

    Couple things, the game/story in question isn’t even violent.

    Secondly, which is it? I have a hard time following your thought process here when first you say video games aren’t to blame… but then turn around and say its the fault of children being raised by video games. Which, there was no evidence for in this case. Just wondering where you pulled that from.

  • ScaryLogic

    I would love for you to point out something I said that was incorrect.

  • noisyparker

    Are you serious? We have been presenting interpretations. You will just continue to dismiss those with which you don’t agree. That’s your right, but you should realize it makes talking to you further on this kind of a waste of time.

  • ScaryLogic

    I’m not presenting anything other than what I hear. I am serious. Tell me something that was incorrect, according to you.

  • http://alankhenderson.blogspot.com/ alanhenderson

    The moral of the story is that children and parents should be having regular conversations about the former’s new cultural experiences. The job of a parent is to prepare children for adulthood, and you can’t prepare them well if you don’t know what they’re encountering.

  • shawna

    no lol again u take the point oiut of context, it is morality andd ruels/ certain standards

  • ScaryLogic

    Ya, I know it was… but in my defense, it was sort of haphazardly thrown in with the main point you were making so I wasn’t quite sure what to make of it.

    At any rate, I still don’t know what you were getting at with the whole dress standards thing. You aren’t advocating we as a society revert back to the prudish mentality of the 1700s are you?

  • shawna

    the bible/ all people that have been possesed

  • Anonymous

    Ya, right! They stabbed her 19 times with a gun!

  • Anonymous

    The Bible says that Jesus cast out demons in front of lots of people as witnesses. You obviously don’t believe in the Bible. The Bible also says that a fool says there is no God. Are you a fool?

  • shawna

    nope am realating us as coming backto ancient rome. and am saying how our society is accepting more and more for what we used to disaprove of

  • Duddioman

    RIght. That’s why the game description describes it as: “An evil character named Slender….”

    Your point?

  • Falcon D. Stormvoice

    Your belief is in error. You’re just rehashing the same dumb “play outside” arguments that people made against chess in the 1850s.

    What are they going to play outside? Cops and robbers? War? Cowboys and Indians? Guess what, his imagination has better graphics than any video game.

    Millions of people play video games (or read books, or watch films, or look at classic art, or watch the news, or play cops and robbers in the yard), millions have mental illness, and everyone can acquire something deadly. The people who do it, decide that they want to kill people, and then they do.

  • Falcon D. Stormvoice

    Agree, except you don’t have to teach them that video game violence is real. Believe me, everyone knows. Only old fogeys who don’t play games could make the mistake.

  • Falcon D. Stormvoice

    ” I am saying watching killing makes you uncaring about it, not distressed about it, the line is blurred.”

    Not even remotely true. Watch the Penn & Teller episode on violent video games. Watch it until the end, and tell me if that looks like a desensitized child to you.

  • Falcon D. Stormvoice

    ” what does a game like grand theft auto add to a person’s life? Nothing. ”

    That’s not for you to decide. I played one of the GTA games: San Andreas. What it added to my life was joy. I never even played the story, I just rode around on the bike, delighted that I had an “athletics” skill that rose higher and higher the more I pedaled.

    You have no say in other people’s lives.

  • Falcon D. Stormvoice

    It’s a fairly obvious and traditional case. Psychopath acquires weak-minded friend, manipulates them into doing something horrible.

  • Falcon D. Stormvoice

    Be careful. People have real conditions requiring real western medicine to keep in control of themselves. Do not stigmatize it and make them feel like they shouldn’t take their pills.

    Rodgers had been off his meds for a while, because he felt he didn’t need them.

  • Falcon D. Stormvoice

    Please, the psychopath of the two is using this as a scapegoat.

    Nobody needs an explanation that video games aren’t real.

  • Falcon D. Stormvoice

    People watch them for the same reason that they ride rollercoasters.

  • Falcon D. Stormvoice

    Always been my biggest gripe with Glenn Beck. Wish I had time alone with him to explain what a musty troglodyte he makes himself and other conservatives look like.

    Depriving children of video games is not good or healthy. Especially not in a world where understanding technology is a necessity and games are the biggest entertainment industry.

  • Trent List

    I have played the game “Slender Man” and in all honesty its scary at the most. I mean, i get to collecting the pages and depending if im alone or not. I dont even get halfway done before i either chicken out or get game over by looking at Slenderman. In my view, it doesn’t provoke any violence instead drawd the fear of being alone in the woods, having a collection of sounds evolve as you collect pages and the creature itself stalking you, waiting to look at you. As far as the legend goes and how the game plays, apparently you looking at him for too long will cause you to be ‘captured’ in a sense. Its harmless, these girls im sure took some serious time to research the legend to find some reason to commit those vile acts, some sort of obsession of the urban legend…

    Hope the girl recovers soon and will lead a normal life in spite of this.

  • Falcon D. Stormvoice

    IF, and that’s a >big< IF, the girl is telling the truth. She is most likely a psychopath and telling a lie.

  • Falcon D. Stormvoice

    Do nightmares turn people into killers? Do Bible stories about demons turn people into killers? Get a grip.

  • Falcon D. Stormvoice

    Oh yeah, if he’s in the general proximity of you and your kids, you might read his mind and hear some beautiful music from Final Fantasy or something. This video game mania is contagious. Burn the blu-rays!

  • Falcon D. Stormvoice

    The story is an obvious and traditional case of a psychopath dragging a weak-minded individual into their world with manipulation.

    Whatever this psychopath is saying, is a compulsive lie. Only people with an anti-technology agenda will jump on it as legitimate.

    Oh, I’m sure she thought it would be a happy coincidence if she could summon Slender Man. But the point was to kill, and to make her friend participate.

  • Anonymous

    You made a giant leap between some trashy music and the world. Why don’t you go read some books on the psychology of children and then make a comment on how parents edit their children. If it worked for Kevin, congratulations!

  • Anonymous

    Kids can be desensitized by exposure. When they are exposed, parents need to be there to explain, comfort, or teach the children about what they have experienced. Teach them early to understand that little conscience voice we have that whispers right and wrong.

  • Tantalus XVI

    Meh, ban guns anyway. Stupid liberals…

  • Anonymous

    ScaryLogic, are you a child or an adult? Did you not read the article? The CHILDREN in the article EXPLAINED AND ADMITTED this slender man was the motivation for their behavior. If you love this meme, fine. You can defend it all you want. It doesn’t change the fact that it has influenced negative consequences for all the people involved with this crime. Yes, a crime was committed. You may be able to handle “slender man”, perhaps you are “mature” enough for at least that. But children at 12 years of age are still developing and need guidance when exposed to frightening or violent media. And actually everything. One can be desensitized to food. But go ahead and defend away. It won’t change what happened to three 12 year old girls.

  • Vicky Liza P. Cole

    It is sad that these girls were lured into this….but it makes you wonder. One of the girls said they had been planning this for awhile. Premedtation…. Planning…..and then there comes the plot to not be charged for reasons of insanity. If they were planning the murder.. Why not plan their actions and way out of jail. I think they are jist using the site as a excuse. Yes, they may have been into it, but if they had enough sense to plot murder seems they would be smart enpugh to know reality….. The attack was real…the girl was lured to be attacked. At some point one of these girls had to know it was wrong. I dont know anything about the internet site that they are talking about but did the site speak or murder and hurting others? Also parental controls and blocks can be put on computers and cell phones as tonthe content your children can see and watch. But there is where the parents have to do this and monitor what their child is doing. In the end… The girl who was attackedwilll be the one with the scars….mentally and physically. She will have a hard time ever trusting again…parinoid of others….and she will have a hard time getting past this. She will be the one who suffers most. God be with her… And her family as well as the other girls. Sad in so many ways for them all.

  • Rusty Shakelford

    No more disturbing then a sorcery devotee, claiming an angel gave him a new “word of god” to preach to the masses. Although he just murdered a guy in a bar, the child abuse he preached and partook of was just as disgusting. He is referred to as a prophet by some, these days.

  • Paul Budish

    ScaryLogic… um… Logic 101 class should have taught you that when someone says “I did some thing BEACUSE…” is pretty much textbook “causation”. I mean, the very statement “beCAUSE” means “thing A caused behavior B”… I don’t think you are actually educated unless you went to a school that quite literally drummed the most basic common sense out of you…

  • Anonymous

    What degree did you get and what school did you attend? Scary, you are just wrong. There are many studies that prove environment (games) have a huge impact of behavior. Children are more susceptible to these influences. The game does not have to be violent for the kids to pick up perverted behavior patterns. Maybe you need a refresher course or two

  • Fig Newton

    Not enough parents are doing their true job these days; way too many children are being raised without values, morals, or God.

  • Jessica Hockett

    Totally unrelated to the content of this article, but who writes these stories for The Blaze? They are losing valuable credibility by having idiots write their news articles. Does anybody check this stuff before it gets published? Several times the same information is repeated, and almost every story I read on their website has typos, misspelled words, and grammatical errors. Get it together.

  • Shawn Cameron

    The point is Slender Man is not violent in any way, shape or form. Creepy? Sure, but they could just as easily been “inspired” by a Scooby Doo cartoon.

  • Shawn Cameron

    Yes but just because they said Slender Man was their inspiration, does that mean the problem lies with Slender Man itself? Many people here seem to think so, even though nobody gets stabbed in Slender Man. So the only way it could have influenced them to do that is if they twisted it up in their heads. They could have just as easily had some twisted fantasy about Mickey Mouse.

    Before anyone says “Well they didn’t and every time something like this happens it’s always something violent or evil they’ve been exposed to” answer me this. How many times throughout history has someone twisted the Bible to justify their own insane fantasies?

    I mean we have people here on this board claiming the game/story is possessed by demons for crying out loud. Can you say hysteria?

  • Anonymous

    ScaryLogic has a point. While I don’t know the parents of these girls, how much they were involved with the children, what they taught or didn’t teach, parental upbringing has a stronger impact than video/media. If children are raised with good morals by involved parents, video/media/games would not affect their behavior.

    I have children. My oldest enjoys horror, yet he is gentle and kind. He understands right from wrong. Though we limit what he views and plays, he can handle more than our youngest, who is more sensitive to scary things. As parents, we have to judge what is appropriate or not by a certain set of standards. The problem lies with upbringing not media, and it’s important as parents that we take responsibility and make corrections instead of finding excuses.

  • Shawn Cameron

    I think crazy people will use anything to justify their fantasy. I believe the inspirations of those fantasies can come from anywhere. How many people throughout history have twisted the Bible to justify their blood thirst? These girls could just as easily blamed this on Dora the Explorer.

  • noisyparker

    Well, I presented the two things I had a problem with in my original reply, but if you want more detail on the one you’ve been responding about, I can do that. I think your interpretation ignores the context of the segment, where he is presenting his worries about kids being ‘desensitized’ towards choices from which they should recoil, and worries about the developmental effects of large amounts of time spent with electronic/interactive media (and how he doesn’t believe there is enough experience with that usage for us to understand the consequences).

    You seem to be taking what he said about Watch Dogs in a most literal fashion to say his concern with the game is that it will be a how-to for hacking other people’s phones. You are defending that by saying you are looking at his own words, but (as that is the standard defense of anyone who is cherrypicking context) that isn’t a compelling point in and of itself. He isn’t reading from a prepared statement, he is speaking extemporaneously, and isn’t any less prone to the potential for misspeaking than the rest of us. I think that makes placing the comments in the context of points he is making in the segment all the more important. (That distinction is part of why I am personally more annoyed by his sharing Powell’s account in the segment, btw… that part is clearly a conscious decision to present a [imo tenth-baked] opinion which he directly read.)

    The red flags you have raised about your interpretation are that he would have to be taking an idiotic position that contradicts himself within a 7-day period. I like to think I would have found those interesting if I had found myself saying them about an interpretation of my own, but who knows? I certainly have had more than my share of cases where I lacked self-awareness.

    If he circles back on this subject later and asserts that his problem with Watch Dogs is that it is a primer for how to perform surveillance using other people’s electronic devices, I’ll be convinced but, failing that, this sounds like just another case where eleventy websites grabbed something that wasn’t the point he was making and ran with it since it let them roll their eyes. Given the context in the segment, and the context of his other comments on the subject in general, I think it is far more likely that he is concerned that Watch Dogs is not teaching you how, but making you that much more comfortable with the concept of someone performing such surveillance (by placing you interactively in a story, playing the role of the protagonist who will likely be presented as justified in doing it).

  • Michelle

    This is so scary for me we do not have internet where we live but my daughter has come home talking about this slenderman she is 11 years old and really into this slenderman I did not know how dark this stuff is I am terrified about this stuff we try to keep our children safe I pray I jut do not know how she got into this stuff please pray

  • Shawn Cameron

    There is nothing violent about Slender Man. This is nothing more than someone who was extremely mentally disturbed attaching themselves to something (in this case Slender Man) and building a fantasy around it. The girls obviously have no grip on reality and could have just as easily built their fantasy around My Little Pony.

    The fact that you are concerned about what your child is into tells me you’re involved in her life. Does your child have a good grip on reality? Does she know right from wrong? If the answer to those questions is yes, then you have nothing to fear.

  • Shawn Cameron

    Creating a fantasy of the Slender Man letting them live with him if they stabbed their friend to death, and acting it out DOES make them mental.

  • Shawn Cameron

    You wouldn’t happen to live in West Memphis Arkansas would you?? Either way I bet you would have been a hoot to have around in Salem.

    You’re nucking futs!!

  • Shawn Cameron

    “all people that have been possessed”

    Yeah and they’re about as credible as those who have seen Bigfoot or been abducted by aliens.

  • Shawn Cameron

    Sometimes it’s hard to tell because a lot of Beck’s fans really are that f’ing crazy.

  • Daniel Goodman

    Though it doesn’t speak to the original point, the only thing I wish to respond to is that there is definitely at least one game where the goal is to kill and otherwise mistreat innocents. It’s called “Postal”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_(video_game)

  • shawna

    wrong…bc the devil is real lol and regardless the bible is a great source

  • shawna

    well with what u say the children would b less likely to play cops in robbers…even that the cops r the good guys…if the didnt blast and explode on screen, and that wasnt even a main point bc u cant argue them.

  • Kendra

    A child who doesn’t know the difference between fact and fiction doesn’t mean they are mental, especially if they have never been taught what the difference is. But at the age of 12 one can assume that a 12 year old should know the difference.

    I understand what you are saying that the story/game isn’t necessarily the cause for the violence, but they were influenced by it as it became their reality. This is why we need to be aware of what our kids are feeding their minds.

  • shawna

    again where do our dreams/nightmares come from tho? ven that is a sign that in our uncocsious mind we think about the nasty grafics were we get largly from tv and video games.

  • Shawn Cameron

    How do you know Bigfoot and aliens aren’t demons?

  • Kevin

    To suggest that the argument is, “every person that plays violent video games becomes violent” is an absurd dismissal of the argument. To deny that violent video games desensitizes some people in a way that could lead to very violent behavior in some of them ignores a very basic reality of human nature.

  • Kevin

    To suggest that the argument is, “every person that plays violent video games becomes violent” is an absurd dismissal of the argument. To deny that violent video games desensitizes some people in a way that could lead to very violent behavior in some of them ignores a very basic reality of human nature.

    Your dismissal of a primary, direct relationship to military training indicates your education is merely a pesky interference in your thought processes.

  • Julie Larson Critchfield

    The one girl put the knife in the other girl’s hands and said “go crazy,”…they both knew what they were doing.

  • Kevin

    Yes, I hear a whistling sound when standing next to you and the wind is blowing.

  • Kendra

    In my opinion, a healthy mind is susceptible, because of the human weakness factor, and can be turned. If you want a healthy body, you feed it with healthy foods and exercise it, right? Same with the mind.

  • Kevin

    Paul, we obviously are not intelligent enough to understand the fine nuance’s (?) of advanced logic. ScaryLogic obviously went to a much more advanced, nuanced school than the rest of us.

  • Anonymous

    Darkness isn’t a thing or a force Glenn, but a lack of light and goodness. As such it is what makes men evil; it isn’t about how bad we are but about how good we are not. As a “professing” Christian you have to acknowledge this and quit feigning shock at these atrocities. Evil is something that dwells in us all and manifests itself in all to one extent or another; the “badness” is not something “out there in the world” but something that exists in the fallen human heart. The same theme came up at the interview between McCain and Obama at the Rick Warren debate. None of them got it right either, which isn’t surprising for someone who aspires to “lead people out” of and “protect from” evil and darkness. If you want to make a difference, point out the truth about mans fallen nature and the forgiveness of God in Jesus Christ.

  • ScaryLogic

    Yes, but having played relatively violent games most of my life, as well as many of my friends even more so, I don’t believe they have the ability to really do anything to your psyche. In the cases of someone doing something like this and also being into violent games… the video games are usually the scape goat while the other, more likely factors are brushed aside by the media.

  • ScaryLogic

    Hilarious.

  • ScaryLogic

    That seems to be what everyone is saying. I’m simply responding to them.

    Violent games DO NOT desensitize people to a meaningful degree, as long as they are mentally healthy. Go ahead and find more than 5 sources that say otherwise. I’ll wait.

    Direct relationship to military training? You mean how they shoot circles that sorta look like people? remember correlation isn’t causation. I doubt that’s all they changed in their training.

    How about you explain it to me, instead of throwing out inane insults that serve little purpose outside of making me laugh at you.

  • ScaryLogic

    Yes, parental influence is key. I agree. But its hard to imagine a scenario where they have internet access (for this level of obsession they also had it at home) but no parent was involved with them.

  • ScaryLogic

    Woooow, well, I suppose there would be a game like that somewhere given how many people know how to make games. While technically you got me, I cannot concede the existence of an otherwise underground and unknown game confirms anything.

    I suppose I should have said, there are no, well known games that get any sort of attention that the average kid could go buy at wa-lmart. It’s also noteworthy that no games with such a inane and mindless plot would survive in todays market.

  • ScaryLogic

    Ok, that is much more clear. I understand where you’re coming from, but being someone who is part of the gaming industry I cannot ever bring myself to believe that a game as unrealistic as that would have any meaningful effect on someone. Especially since it is rated for adults…so there’s that.

  • ScaryLogic

    Right, because people that are mentally ill know exactly why they did something.

    The fact that nothing in the “Slender man” game or Mythos has anything even remotely related to violence tells me this is the construct of their own twisted minds.

    You’re basing your retort to me on the solid grounds that the kids that did this were perfectly healthy mentally…

    GOOOD…..JOB

  • Shawn Cameron

    I didn’t suggest that was your argument. But your argument that;

    “These two little girls should have felt disgusted at the thought of killing their friend but this garbage they were allowed to watch numbed them.”

    First off, Slender Man game is not violent. So that kind of throws your argument out right there.

    I am saying the reason they were not disgusted at the thought of killing their friend is because they were mentally disturbed to begin with. What they watched, played, saw etc. is not the problem. You seem to be suggesting that they did this as a result of reading about and playing the Slender Man game. I have said it several times and I’ll say it again they could have just as easily created their psychotic fantasy around anything. For crying out loud back when Domino’s Pizza had the Noid ad campaign going on a man, who happened to be named Noid, held hostages at gunpoint inside a Domino’s because he thought Domino’s Pizza was out to get him. Some people are just f’ing crazy!!!

    Blaming it on anything other than that is absurd and only causes hysteria.

  • ScaryLogic

    Sorry, going to need proof for the things you’re pulling out of your butt and telling me to smell.

    Yes, a game DOES need to have the content to influence kids. If they are getting violent messages out of mario, guess what? Not the games fault.

    Moving on…

  • ScaryLogic

    First of all it’s not a meme. Secondly, you are basing your retort on the basis of what some mentally ill kids said their motivation was? Great… that makes TONS of sense.

    I don’t care what their motivation was, the slender man mythos is not violent in any way shape or form. While I do concede it is creepy, and weird, but it’s also pretty harmless when it comes down to it.

    There are MILLIONS of kids that play this… and not a single report related to the game until now. Though I imagine you are simply ignorant to the subject at hand and are taking everything at face value, which is a horrible idea for this sort of thing.

    If someone said Mario was their inspiration to go on a killing spree would you blame the game or the mental state of the people? Same principle applies here.

  • ScaryLogic

    My point is “slenderman” as a subject… as a product isn’t evil.

    Try again Mr. Semantics.

  • Shawn Cameron

    I agree with the sentiment but I don’t think just talking to these kids would have helped, but maybe it would have given the parents the knowledge of just how mentally disturbed they were and could have gotten them help before they hurt someone.

  • ScaryLogic

    That isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

    Honestly its a bit difficult to reply to you. Your responses’ content is all over the place. Ancient Rome and things we used disapprove of? Relate them… what does one have to do with the other. Make your point don’t dance around it.

    As far as my knowledge of American History in concerned, it would seem we’ve improved in more ways than regressed.

  • ScaryLogic

    Oh Yay, the Bible game… OK

    It also says not to wear clothing that is of mixed fabric.
    It condones selling your daughter into slavery
    It says we should stone(kill) adulterers

    I could go on… but my point is you shouldn’t cherry pick things out of a book like the Bible, it just opens you up for all sorts of things.

    Are you familiar with Siddhārtha Gautama? Better known as Buddha. He was just a simple teacher, who never wanted to become anyone’s god. He was simply a guide to enlightenment if I were to really simplify a complex history here.
    Though, only a few years after his death, people started arguing with what he actually taught, and they decided to forma council to agree on what his teachings actually were. Sound familiar? Anyway, it got to a point, where hundreds of years after his death they decided he was a God that had in fact lived many lifetimes and all this other stuff that was so far from the truth it’s funny.

    It makes one wonder, to what degree did the same thing happen to Christianity?

  • Kevin

    Thank you. I’m here all week. Don’t forget to tip your waiter or waitress.

  • Jennifer

    That’s not completely sound logic. John Hinkley attempted to assassinate President Regan BECAUSE of his infatuation with Jodi Foster. Does that mean Jodi Foster actually caused the shooting. No! The man who stabbed actress Theresa Saldana said he did it BECAUSE Angels told him to. So does that mean anyone who believes in Angels needs to be careful because apparently people die because if them?
    I do think that parents need to closely monitor what their children are taking in. But a character or a game all on it’s own is not the cause. There is either something wrong with these girls, or there is more going on behind the scenes that nobody knows about.

  • Kevin

    1. Shawn, obviously we disagree on this.
    2. You saying it was because they otherwise have mental problems is not inconsistent with me saying exposure to violent “games” is a factor in their behavior. As I said before, I am not suggesting a 100% correlation between exposure to violent games and violent behavior. I am saying some people are susceptible to behavior influence based on that exposure. You are saying there is a 0% correlation. That is absurd. The Columbine killers were heavily influenced by The Matrix. I love that movie. I haven’t freaked out yet. Numerous killings of this nature have been specifically linked to specific influences from music, video, and game sources. And that is a fact.

  • Shawn Cameron

    Thank you.

  • ScaryLogic

    Show us a link to those “facts”

    And I’ve never heard the columbine killers were influenced by the Matrix. And I’ve read that wiki article numerous times.

    These types of actions have NEVER been “specifically linked” to videos games and especially not music. Where are you getting this from?

  • ScaryLogic

    yes, the reality that mentally unstable children that cannot discern reality from fiction have no business with those mediums. There is no evidence to support otherwise.

  • Kendra

    It does make one wonder…I work with kids, through my church, from 18 months to 12 year olds. I have been surprised to learn about some of difficulties some of the kids have to deal with. Most of their troubles stem from their parents. I agree with you that there are most likely other factors in play here. Video games are not the #1 issue. I do think that video games can effect personality and the mind. I have noticed with my own kids if I let them play games without restrictions that they become more verbally agressive toward each other. So they GET to have time limits. Anyway, I don’t believe our own personal experiences are more relevant than what has actually happened to three 12 year old kids. It is in my opinion one of the greatest tragedies of our society (I’m talking about all of the recent shooting, stabbings, etc) and I think we should take into consideration all factors and educate each other and our children to learn self control and to know what no means. (Trying to stay off of the virtual soap box)

  • Kendra

    You would be surprised at how many kids have free reign of the internet and no parental supervision. Some times parents are in denial or think that their child would never do this or that. Some kids are just plain sneaky. I’ve read about it and have seen it. Not specifically about video games and violent behavior but with porn, and I assume obssession/addiction is going to be somewhat standard across the board. Meaning they gotta have that gratification and will do what they need to do to get it.

  • Kevin

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=125158

    That took me all of about 10 seconds.
    Apparently the Discuss link to these discussions has crapped out. Too much effort to get back to reply. Especially considering….well….it’s been fun.

  • Cmdr Charles K. Wilson III

    Hey now, Heavy Metal is not bad you just need to know what to avoid. I grew up with Metallica and Rush, and I’ve turned out very good. Those guys have taught me more than school ever could.

    Death metal, screamo, rap, those are the ones you mean to say. They promote violence, self harm, and lawbreaking.

  • ScaryLogic

    THAT’s your proof? Lol. Mysides hurt

  • ScaryLogic

    I think you misunderstood me. I was saying they DON’T cause violence. I’m also a huge metal fan… even some Death metal is good. SOME.

  • Cmdr Charles K. Wilson III

    I apologize. the small font on my tablet makes it hard to read sometimes.

    Once in a while, you’ll find a good egg in some of these genres. I am also a fan of Slender I like to scare my buddies with it, and I’ve even made it into a drinking game

  • Duddioman

    It’s really not about semantics, it’s about evil. You obviously don’t believe the evil exists, so your comments hold no weight on this subject.

    I know the truth, I’ve looked evil in the eye, and I’ve heard it’s voice. I know how evil manipulates the mind and the heart, and takes advantage wherever it can. I also know how to overcome evil.

    You’ve spent a lot of time on this thread defending something you don’t believe in. Seems like you would have better things to do with your time? =/

  • ScaryLogic

    I’m defending a game/mythos against people who have no idea what they’re talking about.

    Don’t believe it exists? I believe the game exists. I don’t understand what you mean.

    You are ignorant of the subject and are taking the limited information in this article at face value. Do some research.
    Lets think about this shall we? If this game is evil (it’s not) and it has the power to do…well anything other than entertain (it doesn’t) then why haven’t we been getting thousands of reports similar to this one? I know, critical thinking is usually the downfall of your tin-foil hat logic, but somebody has to do it.

  • shawna

    i honestly have no clue what your point is?

  • Kasi From Iowa

    I had a few discussions about this yesterday and I will say
    I still think that both these girls knew what it means to kill or murder, when
    asked by authorities they were clear on the outcome of death and what they were
    doing and planned to do for several months. They may have believed that this
    would put them in a higher standing with a fictional evil character, but they
    still knew right from wrong. Let’s face it there are a lot of us who really
    love Twilight, Hunger Games, Harry Potter and several other fictional things.
    We write about it and we dream about it and we follow it, but if we were to go
    out and start killing one person from each other state (hunger games) or
    killing someone or an animal and consuming their blood (twilight) we would
    still be killers. These little 12 year old girls plotted, planned and carried
    out (except they failed to actually kill the victim) a murder. They took the
    time to plan and do preparations for this heinous act. They made ready their
    weapon of choice. They had an escape
    plan set and they carried out the actions and plans. They are cold blooded
    killers, plain and simple. The long and
    the short of this is these girls may have some sort of mental disability when
    it comes to what is real or not, but they knew better. This wasn’t an act of random, spontaneous
    violence. This was planned for months and carried out. These girls knew what
    they were doing was wrong and didn’t care.
    Plain and simple they can blame fictional things such as games, tv, movies,
    etc … they can try and blame the parents and such as well, but the truth is
    they are clearly functional children who know the difference between right and
    wrong and choose to be evil like the fictional person they idolize. The true victim in this matter is the little
    girl who almost lost her life and sadly the parents, families and friends of
    every person who knows any of these girls.
    To the families of the victim, I hope that with serious therapy, your
    daughter will heal and know that she was merely a pawn in their game and did
    nothing to deserve this happening to her.
    To the families of the girls who did this violent act, I pray that you
    are all able to get the help you need. I
    would never want to be in any of your shoes and I am sorry for the deep seated
    feeling of loss this gives your family.
    The best you can do is support your girls, but don’t let them think what
    they did is okay.

  • shawna

    this is almost exactly my point but you said it much better!!

  • Duddioman

    Your obtuseness is only proving my point. I never claimed you don’t believe the game exists. My point is that you don’t believe that evil exists. I’m sorry if English is hard for you to understand. =(

    Evil will use a vehicle, such as this game to create a belief in a young, gullible mind, that this character is real. The creators of this character play into the mythology that helps to deceive the weak-hearted or uninformed into buying into the mythos and legend. That’s how evil works. It never comes in it’s own name, but it masquerades as anything that people will accept.

    Once their faith is put into the lie, evil takes advantage to influence and manipulate into harmful actions and behaviors, such as these two girls did. I don’t believe that sandman exists, but evil masquerades as sandman to dupe the uninformed or weak-hearted.

    You, on the other hand have a spirit of humanism, believing that there is no spiritual warfare, no good or evil, and that everything is neutral. You, unfortunately, are in error.

    My point about the time and energy you have put into this thread specifically is that while you do not believe evil exists, you spend an enormous amount of time arguing for it, and for the vehicles that it uses to deceive people.

    Your concept of critical thinking is flawed, because you discount the facts of life and existence and the world that we all live in. Because your mind is closed to certain possibilities, you cannot even apply critical thinking skills to this situation. Your bias and your pride blind you. =)

    Take solace, however, in your incredible superiority, as the evil you discount uses you as a foil to excuse it’s very diabolical influences. You are a very useful idiot, in that regard. Be proud, you are being used very effectively. (in your own mind)

    Cheers. =)

  • ScaryLogic

    You’re projecting your beliefs onto things you know nothing about.

    And I never said “evil doesn’t exist” Don’t put words in my mouth.

    You don’t even know anything about this game, the story behind it, or its creators. So how can you determine it’s evil?

    Instead of putting so much stock in non-sense, why not read and research why someone would act this way?

    You’re probably the type of person that would have burned the early scholars and scientists and philosophers at the stake for witchcraft.

    “I do not… believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.” -Galileo

  • Stuck_in_Ca

    Right on Kevin. I refused to my my kids Grand Theft Auto for their Xbox so they borrowed it from a friend. He never got it back.

  • jordaaan

    I am In agreeance with scarylogic. The fact hes trying to prove is that this “story” (slenderman was originally not a game but a story created for a contest on a site called creepypasta) has nothing to do with killing someone. It is obviously made up and the fact that they believed into this lie soooo much that they made themselves believe it was real. These children MUST have something wrong with them to actually think they would be “working for this slenderman.” And videogames, yeah may have something to do with messing up kids minds that are not of age to play them. But like I said this slenderman is not a videogame, and the ones that people tried to make are conpletely negligent of what this story is about.

  • Sharron Frey

    Where were the parents of these girls? Were they aware of what types of games they were playing? I’ve been subtly criticized by others for my strict one-hour limit on any electronic device in my home, as well as monitoring what is downloaded on these devices. Our kids’ tablets have codes that only their dad and I can access so that we can control the content. The minute my kids find out how to get around those codes, the devices will be sent to the nearest E-waste facility. I’m glad the victim survived and was able to name her assailants; I refuse to use the word “friends.” And don’t tell me (as one of the attorneys inferred) that they have “mental issues.” They planned this starting in December of last year, so they knew what they were doing. They also had to use deception to lure her to the area where she was stabbed 19 times and left for dead. I hope they get the book thrown at them.

  • Mark A. Penick

    Actually, Felix Arenas, they did know that their actions would kill the other girl, that was the whole point.

  • Mark A. Penick

    What he means by that, ScaryLogic, is that a kid that watches scary stuff, or plays that type of movie, but has their parents to tell them what is right and wrong, is a lot different than parents just sitting their kids in front of the tv and not conversing with them.

  • Anonymous

    my parents didn’t let us read scare story’s when i was that age. parents need
    to watch what their kids read.

  • Falcon D. Stormvoice

    That has nothing to do with video games. Games are no different than books, or films, or the power of imagination. It’s just a story.

  • Falcon D. Stormvoice

    Um… You… Don’t think that nightmares existed before television was invented?

  • Falcon D. Stormvoice

    And to claim that looking at pixels desensitises people goes against all science on the topic. Nobody confuses pixels for reality.

  • Nematocyte

    In days past, we used to sacrifice children to appease fictional gods. We’ve had a steady uphill climb since the days of religion literalism but there will always be setbacks.