How has Hamas gained favor in the media?

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I want to start with the latest round of violence in Gaza. For two weeks, the fighting has raged. There is no clear end in sight. Over 500 now are dead, and the media is trying to make this so complex, but it’s really, really easy. Here it is: For Israel, they have a right to defend themselves from extremists who want to kill the Jews and wipe them off the face of the map.

That’s it, it’s that simple, but people get confused and led astray by the rhetoric and everything else. For example, according to Hamas supporters, this Palestinian-American that I’m going to show you here was at a protest in San Francisco, and listen to what he said.

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It is about humanity, if anything, to save the people of Palestine. We’re all humans. We’re all children of God.

We are, and I believe that 100%. So let’s test the theory versus the facts on the ground. Are we looking at people who, Hamas, I’m not talking about the Palestinians. Hamas, are they humans? Do they all believe we are humans?

Over the weekend, the military wing of Hamas announced that they had taken an Israeli soldier prisoner. Here is how these children of God reacted.

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Really? The only thing worth celebrating in war is when it ends. Now that’s how humans and children of God view war. Sometimes it’s necessary. It is always tragic on both sides. But Hamas does not hold the same view. They do not value all life.

In 2012, Hamas executed six Israelis they deemed as spies, and they celebrated as they dragged the dead bodies through the streets. May I ask you, is this human? Is this human? Is this how children of – are these children of God? Answer yes, are they behaving like children of God? Can you imagine living in a country that was doing this?

The worst enemy of our nation in my lifetime was Osama bin Laden. He was shown, I believe, undeserved respect in death, but we did it because we’re human. I’d say this reaction is animalistic, but even animals don’t do this to other animals.

Hamas is in a league entirely of their own, and yet somehow they have gained favor in the media. Sympathetic reporters refer to Israelis as scum. Protesters are lauded as pro-Palestinian when in reality it’s not pro-Palestinian, it is anti-Israel. They will not stop until Israel is wiped off the map. That’s in their charter.

Reuters benignly said these protesters rallied across France this weekend. Reuters, don’t even start with the number of corrections you have to make through this weekend. This is not a rally. This was a riot. They left a trail of violence including torching of cars, clashing with the police. They were looting Jewish stores. It’s like calling Kristallnacht a rally. No.

They continue to highlight the plight of the Palestinian. Meanwhile, Hamas digs smuggling tunnels directly underneath its civilian population. Even the president has said Israel has a right to go in and get these tunnels, but they’re underneath the civilians. Israel cannot stop the flow of terrorists and rockets with airstrikes alone. Actually, let me correct that. Actually they could, but they would have to wipe out everybody in Gaza, reduce it to rubble.

Not only do they not want to do that because of public reaction, they don’t want to do that because they value life. They could, but they do not.

Instead, they have to launch a risky ground invasion. Instead of doing it from the sky, they go in on the ground, and as a result 13 Israeli soldiers were killed in an operation Sunday. Among those 13 Israelis who died yesterday were two Americans, the first Americans to die in this conflict, 24 and 21 years old. They grew up in America, went to Israel, and joined the IDF. They’re dead.

Now, this is truly amazing, these two that were dead, this is truly amazing, I believe, because this has happened before, where Americans say you know what, I’ve got to stop, I’ve got to stop this. This is a Spitfire made out of, I can’t remember the name of the kind of plastic, but this plastic is what actually was in the cockpit, the window that the Spitfire was made. And it was a new kind of plastic.

This Spitfire was the Spitfire what was used in the Battle of Britain in 1940. Before America joined the war, Great Britain was. Well, this particular Spitfire was given as a gift to the guy who flew this Spitfire. He was an American. He was actually the first American that died in World War II that was Jewish. He was in early because he saw the injustice and he saw what was happening in Germany, the first American, Jewish-American, that died in World War II.

This weekend, the same thing happen again, and it all started when Hamas abducted and brutally executed three Israeli teenagers near the Green Line borders. How do you abduct, and they do this all the time, abduct and kill innocents? Is that human? Is that children of God?

Now, the media ignores all the evils of Hamas, including their own written charter and their own words.

  • jagermiester

    I believe there are many people who equate Hamas and the Palestinian people. While their religion is the same, Hamas are radical Muslims who want to destroy Israel and the Jewish people. They also want anyone who isn’t Muslim destroyed Hamas are using the innocent Palestinians to gain sympathy. The fact that Hamas would use their people as human targets, and the poor way they treat their women, cause me to sympathize with Israel.

  • alex

    And what about the illegal occupation of the West Bank and the blockade around Gaza? When will Israel stop taking land from Palestine illegally? Do you think Hamas becomes more appealing for young men when Israel has military checkpoints and walls set up all through out land that doesn’t belong to them and harasses Palestinians daily? Educate yourselves, Israel is at fault here too. Hamas is evil but Israel is corrupt and doesn’t treat Palestinians as people. If they stopped harassing the West Bank, freed Gaza, and gave back the land they illegally stole, maybe Hamas would lose some of its support?
    http://www.vox.com/2014/7/17/5902177/9-questions-about-the-israel-palestine-conflict-you-were-too?utm_medium=social&utm_source=email&utm_name=share-button&utm_campaign=vox&utm_content=article-share-top
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories

  • Anonymous

    Hamas is using the Palestinian people as human shields. I agree with what you say too. And it’s a shame the main-stream media refuses to report the TRUTH. I fully support Israel and her people. And my God bless them and keep them safe.

  • Benjamin Goldberg

    alex, you should brush up on your history before making statements like that. to assist you with the same please see below:

    These are facts not fiction

    1. Israel became a nation in 1312 BCE, two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

    2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

    3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

    4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 CE lasted no more than 22 years.

    5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

    6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

    7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

    8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.

    9. In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

    10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution, and slaughter.

    11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.

    12. Arab refugees were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own people’s lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

    13. The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.

    14. The PLO’s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them.

    15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

    16. The UN Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.

    17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.

    18. The UN was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.

    19. The UN was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.

    20. The UN was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like a policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.

  • Angela Barnard Jensen

    To me, it’s pretty simple. War is ugly. People die. It’s tragic, regardless of which side you’re on. BUT… Here’s why I keep feeling so irritated by the mainstream media’s approach: They keep reporting on the civilians dying in Palestine…but the media fails to remember that Hamas is the one who started this thing. Israel has to defend herself. If Mexico or Canada were shooting rockets into the United States, would we just sit still and let them kill our people, or would we fire back and keep our nation and her people safe? Israel has every right to try to stop the radicals of Hamas from shooting rockets into their country. The whole thing is a mess. A hotbed of craziness. Just try to imagine how we would feel if it were US being shot at from outside our own borders…

  • alex

    The kingdom of Israel and the modern Israeli state are two COMPLETELY different things. The Hebrews of thousands of years ago were Semitic people and are more closely related to modern arabs than they are to modern Israelis, who are mostly European.
    I never once said anything about Jerusalem. Most of your arguments are red herrings and avoid what I said completely. How can you justify Israel illegally taking land in the West Bank and setting up a police state on land that the rest of the world says doesn’t belong to them? What about the fact that Gaza, as human rights groups have called it, has become an “open-air prison?”
    Your arguments are based on a religious claim over land, which isn’t a reasonable argument since anyone can just say “my God wants me to have this land. (What both sides are kind of doing right now.)

    Israel is blatantly breaking UN law by occupying land, colonizing, and building illegal settlements. They are doing what Russia did to Crimea, and nothing you said refuted any of this.

  • alex

    Who in the mainstream media has said anything against Israel? Noone, not even MSNBC, has talked about the illegal occupation of Palestinian lands by Israel

  • alex

    Are we illegally occupying land in Mexico or Canada?

  • Angela Barnard Jensen

    Depends on who you ask. Or if you’re familiar with the history of places like…Texas. How we got that land… Or even the whole country, for that matter… It was occupied by Native Americans, but we came in and took it. Maybe if those who live on the Rez were to demand their land back…? And be careful… this war isn’t so much about the land of Palestine but about the religious implications of Hamas vs Judaism. Most Palestinians don’t consider themselves to be “Hamas” according to most things I’ve read. Hamas and Palestine are two different colors of cat.

  • alex

    You’re right, most Palestinians don’t want this fighting, but understand how miserable life is for Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. Through Israel’s illegal practices, Hamas has become more enticing for young men in Palestine to join.

  • nunya

    Alex, they were attacked, and in the course of defending themselves they were able to capture that land. They didn’t illegally take it. They won it. And no matter what they do Hamas will not lose one nickel of support. You know the 5% Zakat you pay? Guess were most of it goes? Hamas is not pro-Palestinian, they are anti-Israel

  • Connor

    Do you honestly think that the fact that Semitic Hebrews established a kingdom over 3,000 years ago during the Bronze-Age excuses Israel’s actions? According to UN International Law, what Israel is doing is illegal (occupying and colonizing conquered land).

    This situation isn’t as black and white as you paint it. Hamas AND Israel are at fault. Maybe if the State of Israel gave Arabs full representation and if the state wasn’t based on Jewish identity but for the people who live in and view the land as important (Jews, Christians and Muslims), maybe we wouldn’t have as big of a problem and there would be way less support for Hamas.

    I mean really, are you surprised that arabs feel antagonized? The fact that a state was created on the grounds of Jewish nationalism in an area that had been predominately arab for a very long time?

  • C-1Corinthians13

    We are all creations of God. We are not all children of God. 1 John 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
    Three questions:
    1) If Israel put down all their arms/weapons what would happen? The Arabs/muslims would wipe out Israel and kill most Jews.
    2) If the Arabs/muslims put down all their arms/weapons what would happen?
    Peace in the middle east.
    3) Where is the archeology/ coins etc. for a palestinian state?

  • alex

    I never said Hamas wasn’t anti-Israel, but yes, that land was illegally taken. You literally can’t say it wasn’t, because according to international law, it was. Should we have partitioned Germany after WW2 and just said it was “won” even though a lot of innocent people lived there?

    Again, saying they didn’t illegally take it is a lie. If you don’t believe me, here you go:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories
    https://www.globalpolicy.org/security-council/index-of-countries-on-the-security-council-agenda/israel-palestine-and-the-occupied-territories.html
    http://i.stack.imgur.com/0xM5P.jpg

  • Connor

    “They didn’t illegally take it”

    The UN disagrees.

    “They won it”

    I guess if Russia formally annexed the rest of East Ukraine, Belarus, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, it would be okay? I mean, they owned all that land at one point, and there are ethnic Russians living in those lands, so it’s okay then?

    What is this, the age of absolutism?

  • jagermiester

    I’ve heard the mainstream press tell of how terrible the innocent Palestinian civilians are being killed by Israeli bombs (dropped on the Hamas weapons) without telling how they have dropped leaflets warning the people to get out. Partial storytelling is not being complete with the truth.

  • Har’el

    Dear Alex, you are completely mistaken by saying that Israeli Jews are not of Hebrew descendent. Please note that Hebrew ethnicity is the largest and most common group of ethnicity within the Jewish people, with an exception of small Yemenite, Ethiopian and Subbotniks minorities. As an Israeli Jew myself, I was fortunate enough to have my lineage documented very well back to RASHI, and from RASHI to Hillel the elder. But even without such documentation, that many of my fellow Jews brothers may not have, modern day Genetic studies that were done on Jews show that Jews (even those who were exiled from Israel to Europe 2000 years ago – AKA “Ashkenazi Jews”) maintain common Middle Eastern origin and mutual relation. Please refer to the English Wikipedia Article titled “Genetic studies on Jews” for more information.
    As a side note, please note that HAMAS and other Jihadist groups also refer to us as Hebrews, as can be seen on the attached YouTube video that was translated to English by MEMRI: http://youtu.be/rBkazXb0wCg
    Yours, Har’el.

  • Har’el

    Dear Connor, there is nothing illegal of the Jewish people, who is native to the land of Israel, to return to the land of his ancestors and form a modern nation state.

  • Anonymous

    didn’t know you needed archaeology to justify living somewhere and forming a government

  • Anonymous

    Hamas was losing support until Israel just started the invasion. Hamas, like most militants, sucked at governing. But now Israel has allowed them to focus attention on what they do best, shoot and paint themselves as the defenders of their people.

  • Har’el

    Dear Alex, you might be mistaken to think that there had been a nation that was called “Palestine” or a people that was called “Palestinian”, but please note that most of the people who are calling themselves “Palestinians” are foreign Arab immigrants who came to Israel from the Arab peninsula. They are not native to this region, and should return to their homeland in the Arab peninsula. For more information about the source of the name “Palestine”, please review the attached YouTube video:
    http://youtu.be/W9ReF4UUa4E

  • alex

    The UN begs to differ

  • Anonymous

    Let’s hope the native americans never get any international support, cause then we’re screwed.

  • alex

    Well actually if the Arabs put down their weapons Israel would just take more land illegally, like they’ve done. For the past 40 years…

  • alex

    But noone has mentioned how Israel has conquered land illegally?

  • DonkeyHoatie

    Hamas also plays on the Palestinian antipathy for the nation that pushed them off their land. Hamas comes in, says “Let us work from your neighborhoods and we’ll get your your land back from those evil Israeli Zionists.” So the Palestinians go along with it.

  • Anonymous

    Hamas has female candidates and representatives in their government.
    Otherwise they totally suck, but not as bad as they might be painted.

  • Anonymous

    The leaflets make it not as bad, but that doesn’t make it an okay thing to do

  • C-1Corinthians13

    I have heard over & over by the Arabs and their supporters, that it was their country palestinian. If it was their country before May 1948 where is the proof? Look in old books, records, a constitution, something before 1948. What do you find? Who controlled the land before 1948?
    Or do you mean that the Arabs or anyone can just live someplace and decide to start their own country. So Dearborn Michigan with all the muslims now living there can now say they are there own country?

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  • C-1Corinthians13

    Israel has not started any of the wars. They have several times given land for peace, because they just want to live in peace like most people do.

  • alex

    The land they have “given” was land they illegally took in the first place. You’re not reading what I’m saying. Look at the laws, look at international law and the resolution the UN tried to pass in 2011 that was vetoed by the US.

  • alex

    This video doesn’t prove anything. It just tries to justify kicking people out of their homes because they were called something else thousands of years ago. It also makes false, unsupported claims.

  • Anonymous

    6 day war.

  • alex

    The people who call themselves Palestinians were still in that land before the state of Israel was founded.

  • Anonymous

    In terms of international relations, no it wasn’t their country. It belonged to the british and before them the Ottomans and so on. But in terms of living there, having family who had lived there for generations, possessing deeds to the land that they owned and lived on (personal property rights?), it belonged to them.

  • alex

    Well actually it’s the Israelis who have done this. They move into areas and say that it belongs to them because they live there, and they create illegal settlements.

  • Anonymous

    should we all return to africa since that’s where everybody at some point in time came from?
    They lived there, they had deeds to the land, it belonged to them.

  • alex

    EXACTLY! The reason Hamas, while being evil, has so much support is because Israel treats Arabs like dirt.

  • alex

    Most Palestinians and most Israelis just want to feed their families and live peaceful lives. When the Israeli government illegally harasses places like Gaza and the West Bank, it give evil groups like Hamas more support. A joint state where Arabs and Israelis are treated equally and no more land is stolen would take a lot of support away from Hamas.

  • C-1Corinthians13

    In the USA you have a deed to your land. But do you own it? Do not pay taxs on it and see what happens, the “King George” government takes it from you. It is the USA property, from King Georges point of view, not mine. A lot of the land was bought buy Jews, lots of it was empty, and all owned by… Great Britain.

  • C-1Corinthians13

    Really, is that why when Israel got their country back in May 1948 they offered Israel citizenship to the Arabs living there? There are Arabs that are citizens of Israel. Or all the aid they give to Arabs? Because they treat them like dirt as you say.

  • alex

    They don’t give aid to Arabs, look at the conditions in the West Bank and Gaza.

  • C-1Corinthians13

    Is all the land that has been conquered, taken and controlled buy someone else illegal? I think I remember that all land has been conquered by someone at some point in history, even before the current country’s when there were tribe’s fighting tribes. Great Britain owned the land and gave it back to Israel.

  • C-1Corinthians13

    The PLO & Hamas steal all they can. that is why it is bad there.

  • alex

    Source?

  • Anonymous

    All of you have forgotten God’s promise to Israel. This is a promise that is provable and verifiable it is given in the Book of Daniel 8. God used two fixed points of History. The Land and temple ground returned to Israel in 1967 and the start point Persian Empire is shattered by the king of Greece. Simply subtract the measuring line 2,300 from 1967 and you will arrive at 333BC the Battle of Issus where the Persian army was shattered. Check this out a much higher authority one who demonstrates He can reach across 3 millennia to keep His promises is speaking!

  • alex

    It’s illegal to do that now. We live in a different age, where conquering land is considered immoral and we have international law that says you can’t do this. Great Britain didn’t own all of the land Israel has now, the UN partitioned the land a certain way and Israel has taken more than they were allowed to.

  • C-1Corinthians13

    Really? It was even on the liberal news about the millions that the former PLO leader stole. I do not watch a lot of news but even I seen that.

  • alex

    Can you cite your source as to how that is the ONLY reason it’s bad in these areas. Do you have anything to refute the evidence that Israel has illegally occupied land?

  • C-1Corinthians13

    Let us say that Israel lot the wars against it. Would you be trying to get them their land back?

  • alex

    If either Arabs or Jews were occupying lands ILLEGALLY, I would be against it. Currently, the Jews are doing this.

  • havewelostourminds?

    why dont you go over there to palestine and offer your services? they will behead you and put your remains on a stick.

    you are a savage fool alex. do us a favor, dont comment anymore.

  • havewelostourminds?

    keep it up dude, keep confusing the facts with your good story. how about the majority of the supplies going into gaza is used by hamas to build smuggling tunnels and means to kill innocent people? you are a savage fool alex.

  • havewelostourminds?

    go there and report back to us please.. help us out. i guess the hamas charter is a fake too? or quoting the source as teh source not good enough for you?

  • Austin Schmidt

    Your picture is slightly misleading. Yes, Israel did take that land, but it was the result of wars. Four of the nations surrounding Israel, being supported by nine other countries, started harassing and doing acts (that lead to war) against Israel. Israel recognized this and attacked in a pre-emptive strike against some of them. This was the start of the six-day war. At the end of the six day war Israel gained a lot of territory as severance from the war. When countries started signing peace treaties with Israel, however, Israel started giving back the land they captured. The most recent occurrence of this happening was not even 10 years ago when Israel gave up the Gaza strip in return for a cease-fire. The Israeli army had to forcefully remove many Israel citizens from their homes and make them move to Israel. Israel has shown that they are willing to give back land they won, in wars, for peace. From what I’ve read in the history books and have studied up on in this current conflict, Israel’s prime objective is peace. Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the UN give Israel that land in the second picture? That had nothing to do with Israel stealing land. I recognize that this, most likely ,will not change your opinion, I just wanted to correct some of the misleading things about that picture.

  • havewelostourminds?

    since the beginning of time that land belonged to israel.. way before 1948 you douche.

  • alex

    Firstly, I never said Hamas wouldn’t behead me. I have said countless times how evil Hamas is. But using ad hominems against me doesn’t make your point any clearer. What I’m trying to say is that Israel is breaking International law and I’ve continually posted sources for my info, but I continue to get bombarded with arguments like this one that aren’t even relevant to what I’m saying.

  • alex

    Calling me names doesn’t make you any more right.
    Also, could you give evidence for this? The only evidence is that you believe there is a God who gave them this land. Regardless of that, we have human international law that states that the West Bank and Gaza DO NOT belong to Israel.

  • havewelostourminds?

    facts? sources?

    -you are a douche

  • alex

    Stop avoiding my arguments and insulting me, read up:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories

  • Dog master

    bull crap!!! I’ve been there. The markets are full. The only issues financially are that the Palestinian “government” uses international funding to dig tunnels, buy weapons, and line their own pockets. How many billions did Arafat have in the bank when he died? It’s media hype and sensationalism to sell news. LIES!

  • Anonymous

    What’s absolutely hillarious about the media coverage backing Hamas is that the same media would be very literally crucified, as in hung on a cross to die, by Hamas if they were given the opportunity.
    I ask this, Why are you not reporting from Gaza?

  • Dog master

    ignorance alex…plain and simple never heard of anyone as lost in REAL history as you are. Been reading too many palestinian history books

  • Dog master

    Conner, maybe you should look up how many arabs serve as MK’s in Israel…

  • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

    Is Mexico launching thousands of rockets at cities?

  • Dog master

    Idiot! The land of Israel was previously a British colony (NOT PALESTINIANS) and was given to the Jewish people by the Brits following WWII. Stop with the lies

  • Robin Castillo

    The land has never belonged to the “Palestinians.” Those people will not be happy until all of Israelites are dead and washed “into the sea.” This will never happen because they are fighting against a people who God has determined will be the victors in the end. They are too stupid to realize they are fighting a losing battle.

  • Robin Castillo

    They brought that on themselves.

  • Dog master

    Obviously you are basing your lies on never being there. Israel floods the market with fresh fruits and vegetables, gas and power (that the people in Gaza never pay for (they owe more that $1 billion in unpaid utilities. How do they get paid back? rockets. There have been many land for peace deals. How do they get paid back? rockets. There will never be peace in the land until they wipe out the jews its in their government laws; no recognition, no negotiations. The whole “joint state” argument is just a fallacy. once that happens they will just want more.

  • roger kaufman

    yes

  • roger kaufman

    Yes, and we should stop funding Hamas and their associates.

  • roger kaufman

    This is the party line which isn’t true. If you care, get the facts.

  • roger kaufman

    yes

  • roger kaufman

    Get the facts. You are talking nonsense

  • roger kaufman

    So let Hamas launch thousand of rockets used to attempt to kill and terrorize? Your morals are bankrupt.. Get the facts.

  • roger kaufman

    They gave back Gaza and the strip was stripped immediately and used to launch terror attacks. So much for ‘land for peace.’

  • roger kaufman

    OK, so go after Putin…. What you are saying is not supported by facts.

  • Tim Ritter

    Garza is not where settlements are built by Israel, so keep the argument straight. And to several of the above commenters, in all respect, the Palestinians may state they want piece and are not members of Hamas, but with civilian deaths I do not see them protesting the recent coalition / unity government of Palestine and Hamas. I see no infighting or discord within Gaza, only unity with one of the key statements in Hamas’ charter – the avowed total destruction of Israel and the Jews. Seems like they are on the same side pretty clearly against the people who gave them a beautiful and desirable stretch of land to rule themselves, and which has never brought anything except expense, terror, and death. If they wanted to rule Gaza in peace they have been given and are still being given ample opportunity. In almost any other situation imaginable the media would not align with an active and committed terrorist group.

  • Tim Ritter

    Israel didn’t start this and considering the intensity of a strip of land about the size of Atlantic City bombing a country smaller than the state of New Jersey, they have shown restraint far more than aggression. They value the lives of even their enemies.

  • Tim Ritter

    Do you mean the UN resolution that was vetoed by the US?

  • psycho francis

    There is no occupation. Hasn’t been one since Clinton was prez. Read a newspaper.

  • psycho francis

    The Arabs started 3 wars and lost all of them… They don’t get to make the rules anymore. That’s what happens when you lose wars.

  • Anonymous

    Hamas and the Palestinians have been leftist cause celebres for over thirty years now. it all started during the Carter administration, and bloomed among the democrat left during Reagan’s administration. the Israelis became portrayed as Jewish imperialists who allied themselves with the western imperialists in the United States. Yassir Arafat, a complete pos, became a media darling, as the folks on “60 Minutes” gave him multiple public relations hummers through the 80′s and 90′s. Anyone who believes that Hamas should have the license to fire rockets into Israel without fear of retaliation deserves to die along with them. Hamas explicitly calls for the extermination of Israel, therefore it is Hamas who should be exterminated.

  • Anonymous

    there is no Palestine, and there has never been a Palestine. the land the Israelis took was spoils of wars they didn’t start. tough noogies, the arabs started wars and lost the sinai, the west bank, gaza, the golan heights, etc., etc. Hamas has publicly declared that israel should be eliminated. given that declaration, if I were Israel I’d have no qualms about eliminating Hamas first. Hamas hides behind human shields, then accuses Israel of targeting civilians. that’s all anyone needs to know about them to know who the liars and the cowards are. It’s Hamas, end of story.

  • Pearls to Swine

    Illegally took ??? From who ?? You talk as if there were a nation of “Palestine” before the “evil Jews” came and stole their land. When in fact it is just the opposite ! The Jews have lived in the land of Israel for thousands of years. Even after the Romans exiled them there remained Jews living in the land.

    The so called “Palestinians” on the other hand are mostly immigrants that came from other Arab countries looking for work. They have no historical connection to the land of Israel and they admit this themselves as you will see in this recent Egyptian television interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B5hKbDdkU4

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  • Anonymous

    but the only way they are able to maintain that illusion and falsehood is due to a western media that is hopelessly biased against Israel. any organization that fights using human shields define themselves as liars and cowards who deserve to be exterminated. hamas uses human shields to protect themselves, therefore they are the evil ones who should be destroyed. this checkmate point is inarguable, unless one is already an islamic radical or sympathizer.

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  • Anonymous

    Ah, forgeeet about it.

  • Guest

    I too agree that Alex is wrong, but lets not resort to calling people names. That does absolutely nothing in determining who’s right, all it does is show who either doesn’t know the facts to change a person’s opinions or doesn’t want to take the time to come up with an actual response. Neither of which do any good for your cause.

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  • Pearls to Swine

    They had no deeds to the land.

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  • Pearls to Swine

    And the league of nations don’t forget.

  • Austin Schmidt

    I too agree that Alex is wrong, but lets not resort to calling people names. As the quote goes, “Once you raise your voice, you’ve lost the argument.”

  • Pearls to Swine

    It is by no means a given that “international law” says the land belongs to the Arabs. On the contrarry, if it was so simple then they would just haul Israel off to the international court and be done with it. But they don’t do that because their case is very weak.
    As far as the nature of “international law’ itself, here is a very enlightening quote from Alan Dershowitz:
    International law is “a construct in the mind of a bunch of left wing academics,” “There is no basis for international law in any reality. It’s not based on legislation. Much of it is not based on treaty. It is the ultimate exercise in elitist nondemocracy.” Alan Dershowitz

  • not a liberal

    Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Quida, ISIS, and all the others, are not humans, they are not children of God, they all need to be wiped off the face of the earth. Turn the entire middle east, with the exception of Israel, to a parking lot. Muslims are evil animals – end of conversation.

  • not a liberal

    Palestinians are a made up people and they keep saying their country of Palestine. There has never been a Palestine and there have never been Palestinians. They all need to die and let God sort it out.

  • Anonymous

    The Balfour Declaration clearly stated the jews are to assimilate with the existing population. England washed their hands of the conflict and placed it in the lap of the UN who declared a portion of the land to “Israel”; a portion far smaller than what they occupy today. Gotta keep those rockets flying so it’s easier to claim land by “conquest”. Just a thought.

    King David Hotel?
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/King_David.html

    http://zionism-israel.com/Balfour_Declaration_1917.htm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rk60vNUJ9Y

  • jim

    David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): “If I were an Arab leader, I would never
    sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti – Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

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  • Anonymous

    Interesting what H. G. Wells says:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TohHRsNCF-8

  • jim

    The what If Mexico or Canada were shooting rockets into the United States, analogy is disingenuous at best no one says “What if the white people of Windsor, Ontario, were sending rockets across the Detroit River onto Detroit?” That would get the race dynamics that the analogy is aiming at all wrong.

    The reason Israel is taking rocket fire from Gaza is that is is an Occupying Power over Gaza(they controls most land and sea borders with Egypt’s new US backed (read foreign aid)de facto pharaoh, Al Sissi bringing up the rear) and won’t let the Palestinians of that territory have the rights that accrue to citizens of a state. The Israeli military decides the fate of millions of Palestinians, who are denied basic popular sovereignty. Israel has Gaza non-combatant civilians under economic blockade, preventing people from exporting most of what they make. It has destroyed the airport and won’t let the Mediterranean port function. It has deliberately made 56% of the population food insecure, i.e. a couple of paychecks away from going hungry.

    The United States isn’t behaving this way toward Quebec, or toward Mexico nowadays, whatever happened in the 19th century before we had the United Nations Charter and an attempt a crafting international law.

    It is insulting to Americans for Israel chauvinists to imply that we are just like them, that we also gleefully have a jackboot on the necks of brown peoples beyond our borders, and that we would respond with the same disregard for non-combatant life as the Israeli air force if a few mostly harmless rockets fell on our side of the border. I don’t think we’d bomb the bejesus out of Montreal over some 8th grade chemistry experiments.

  • DonkeyHoatie

    alex, I think you missed the sarcasm in my tone.

  • jim

    “The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war.” Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha’aretz, 19 March 1972.

  • jim

    David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti – Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

  • alex

    Actually, the UN tried to pass a resolution condemning Israel for breaking international law and the US vetoed it. Isn’t what Russia did to Crimea against international law, wasn’t Germany annexing Poland against international law?

    Quoting someone doesn’t prove your point at all. What would you call Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and the police state they’ve turned it in to?

  • jim

    Hmmm wonder what this dude
    Michael Ben-Yair a former Attorney General of Israel from 1993-96 is talking about then ?
    “We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one – progressive, liberal – in Israel; and the other – cruel, injurious – in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day.”
    (Michael Ben-Yair, 3 March 2002)

  • alex

    This is really quite simple, Israel was partitioned a certain way by the UN in 1948, and since then, it has grown past its legal borders. Just look at this picture:
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4Qo1uiIBJ9U/TkvMMqhh2GI/AAAAAAAAASo/JG_wQd8U9KA/s1600/Map+of+Palestine.jpg

  • Connor

    Texas declared independence from Mexico and then joined the USA. The situations are no where near comparable.

  • alex

    Did we occupy and set up military checkpoints, fences, and walls throughout a patch of Mexican land? Are our military illegally acting as police in Mexican territory?

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  • alex

    If you like Dershowitz so much, watch him debate Noam Chomsky on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and see where you stand afterward: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiBwbZYUGAY

  • alex

    Yes, I’ve been trying to say that the UN gave Israel a specific amount of land. Everyone seems to think I want Israel gone completely. What I’m trying to say is that they’ve taken land outside of what the UN gave them, and that is illegal. According to international law, it was illegal for them to take land after the six day war. And Israel still has a blockade around Gaza, they’ve turned it into a prison for the people living there.

  • Connor

    Dear Har’el, why don’t you actually read my comment? I said none of what you wrote. I didn’t even imply it. So please, add something to the discussion or you’ll just continue wasting your own and my time.

  • alex

    I’m talking about the land they’ve taken. I know the Brits owned that land, but the UN made Israel a certain size, and since then, it has grown illegally and occupied territory that wasn’t supposed to be for Israel. How come everyone is missing my point and just insulting me? Read carefully.

    ISRAEL WAS FINE THE WAY IT WAS BUILT BY THE UN BUT SINCE 1948 IT HAS OCCUPIED AND CONQUERED LAND ILLEGALLY, THAT IS WHAT I’M ARGUING AGAINST AND I BELIEVE THAT IF ISRAEL ENDED ITS OCCUPATIONS OF THE WEST BANK AND ENDED THE BLOCKADE ON GAZA, HAMAS WOULD LOSE MUCH OF ITS SUPPORT.

  • alex

    What makes you a child of God? Would your God, Jesus, want you to support genocide?

  • alex

    But you could weaken Hamas’s support by ending the occupation of the West Bank, perhaps?

  • jim

    When Israeli scholar-Shlomo Sand’s book The Invention of the Jewish People was published it caused largely a storm of outrage in the United States among the few who read it. It was a bestseller in Israel, Its central argument holds that the Jews of Europe, the Ashkenazim, are largely descendants of peoples who converted to Judaism in the distant past and that the claim that all Jews descend from ancient Israelites is false. Therefore the contention that European Jews are reclaiming ancient rights to their homeland in what is now Israel is a false claim. Moreover, the peoples now known as “Palestinians” are in all likelihood much more closely descended genetically from the ancient Israelites but who in the course of history converted for one reason or another either to Christianity or to Islam, and who therefore have a just claim to the land. Nevertheless, Sand strongly endorses Israel’s right to exist but he favors a bi-national state in which Jews and “Arabs” share equal rights. Needless to say this argument fosters extreme discomfort among many Jews who identify with the Zionist project (and many Christians who for other reasons support Israel).

  • alex

    Is every Palestinian in Hamas?

  • alex

    Do you have any evidence to support anything you just said?

  • Anonymous

    There are many Palestinians living peacefully in Israel. They are accepted and treated as equals. Any Jew caught in Palestine would be drawn and quartered. Israel only wants what is theirs. Palestinians wants Israel wiped off the map and every Jew dead. It is not hard to choose sides in this battle.

  • alex

    You spelled Hamas wrong.

  • jim

    “We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

  • martha

    The land God gave unto Israel. If you disagree with that, take it up with Him. http://filesfromtoni.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-much-land-did-god-give-israel-in.html

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  • alex

    Gaza is a prison. It’s surrounded by walls and its borders are under Israeli lockdown.

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  • jim

    “We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one – progressive, liberal – in Israel; and the other – cruel, injurious – in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day.”
    (Michael Ben-Yair, 3 March 2002)

  • alex

    Yes, that one exactly. Funny how on multiple occasions the majority of voters in the UN voted to condemn Israel and yet the US can veto anything as long as it’s on the security council. The UN tried to condemn Russia for taking Crimea but guess who vetoed that? Russia.

  • alex

    No they don’t, they’ve killed mostly civilians so far.

  • jim

    Is there censorship in progress on this site ?

  • alex

    Okay, stop. You can’t make a claim to land with the idea that “God wills it.” What evidence do you have that God gave anyone this land? What if people said God gave it to them so that they could have their own claim over it? Haven’t other religions done that? What evidence do you have that God genuinely told people this land belongs to them? Have you ever talked to him? I’ve heard muslims say that their God gave them this land. Both sides have literally no evidence that their “God” wants them to have this land.

    Also, I can’t take it up with someone I’ve never met, heard, talked to, seen, or even known if they exist or not.

  • martha

    Obviously, you do not believe in the Bible, what the Bible says, and that the Bible IS God’s Word. If God says it is so, then it is so. You choose not to believe Him. Good luck with that.

  • Austin Schmidt

    Okay, well sorry about making you repeat yourself. I just skimmed over the comments and this picture stuck out to me. I didn’t see your other comments. I’ll check into the illegally obtained land and the blockade stuff, and get back with you. And I would like to apologize to you for how rude some of these people are being towards you. Just want you to know that there are some people, that share my views, that desire to have civilized discussions over this all, and not end up immaturely calling people names.

  • jim

    When Shlomo Sand’s book The Invention of the Jewish People was published it caused a largely a storm of outrage in the United States among the few who read it. It was a bestseller in Israel, though mostly reviled, and where it was reviewed in the US corporate press the response was deeply hostile. Its central argument holds that the Jews of Europe, the Ashkenazim, are largely descendants of peoples who converted to Judaism in the distant past and that the claim that all Jews descend from ancient Israelites is false. Therefore the contention that European Jews are reclaiming ancient rights to their homeland in what is now Israel is a false claim. Moreover, the peoples now known as “Palestinians” are in all likelihood much more closely descended genetically from the ancient Israelites but who in the course of history converted for one reason or another either to Christianity or to Islam, and who therefore have a just claim to the land. Nevertheless, Sand strongly endorses Israel’s right to exist but he favors a bi-national state in which Jews and “Arabs” share equal rights. Needless to say this argument fosters extreme discomfort among many Jews who identify with the Zionist project (and many Christians who for other reasons support Israel).

  • Anonymous

    Alex did you do the math? Did you read Daniel 8? Did you verify the Battle of Issus? Its all true.

  • jim

    Dov Lior, an Israeli rabbi from the West Bank settlement Kiryat Arba, recently posted a Halakhic ruling allowing to kill innocent civilians, after being asked about the “war” in Gaza.

    Here are a few lines from the ruling
    “The Torah of Israel guides us in all walks of life, private and public, on how to behave during war and also how to keep moral standards.

    In the case of Gaza, the Minister of Defense will be allowed to instruct even the destruction of Gaza so that the south will no longer suffer and to avoid harm to our people who have been suffering for so long from the surrounding enemies.”
    Any kind of talk about humanism and consideration are moot when speaking of saving our brothers in the south and in the rest of the country and bringing back quiet to our country.”http://972mag.com/nstt_feeditem/israeli-rabbi-its-okay-to-kill-innocent-civilians-and-destroy-gaza/

  • jim

    Quote from an Israeli politician who served as Minister of Education from 1992 to 1993
    “we make sure to advertise how beautifully the doctors take care of Palestinian victims in the hospitals. We do not advertise how many of those are executed in cold blood in their own homes. So it’s not yet genocide of the terrible and unique style of which we were past victims. And as one of the smart Generals told me, we do not have crematoria and gas chambers. Is anything less than that consistent with Jewish ethics? Did he ever hear how an entire people said that it did not know what was done in its name?”
    (Shulamit Aloni, March 2003)

  • jim

    “Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves .. politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.”
    (David Ben-Gurion, 1938)

  • jim

    From the horses mouth
    “We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum”

  • jim

    “We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

  • jim

    “Let us approach them [the Palestinian refugees in the occupied territories] and say that we have no solution, that you shall continue to live like dogs, and whoever wants to can leave — and we will see where this process leads. In five years we may have 200,000 less people – and that is a matter of enormous importance.”
    (Moshe Dayan, September 1967)

  • jim

    Keep on defending the indefensible
    Perhaps you agree with this dudes sentiments to ?
    “Ours will be a brutal land of pens stretching between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean that will make South African apartheid pale.”
    (Yigal Bronner, 17 September 2003)

  • jim

    Shlomo Sand’s book The Invention of the Jewish People
    central argument holds that the Jews of Europe, the Ashkenazim(which make up the majority in Israel), are largely descendants of peoples who converted to Judaism in the distant past and that the claim that all Jews descend from ancient Israelites is false. Therefore the contention that European Jews are reclaiming ancient rights to their homeland in what is now Israel is a false claim. Moreover, the peoples now known as “Palestinians” are in all likelihood much more closely descended genetically from the ancient Israelites but who in the course of history converted for one reason or another either to Christianity or to Islam, and who therefore have a just claim to the land. Nevertheless, Sand strongly endorses Israel’s right to exist but he favors a bi-national state in which Jews and “Arabs” share equal rights. Needless to say this argument fosters extreme discomfort among many Jews who identify with the Zionist project (and many Christians who for other reasons support Israel).

  • jim

    “Do you want democracy? No problem. Either abandon the greater land of Israel, to the last settlement and outpost, or give full citizenship and voting rights to everyone, including Arabs. The result, of course, will be that those who did not want a Palestinian state alongside us will have one in our midst, via the ballot box. The prime minister should present the choices forthrightly: Jewish racism or democracy. Settlements, or hope for both peoples.”
    (Avraham Burg, 15 September 2003)

  • jim

    Martin Buber, Jewish Philosopher, addressed Prime Minister Ben Gurion on the moral character of the state of Israel with reference to the Arab refugees in March 1949. “We will have to face the reality that Israel is neither innocent, nor redemptive. And that in its creation, and expansion; we as Jews, have caused what we historically have suffered; a refugee population in Diaspora.”

  • jim

    There are many a misconception about the Balfour Declaration of 2 November 1917. It often has been thought that this statement committed Britain to supporting Zionism, come what may. As a result, the British were forced to make the best of a bad job. But this version of events lets the British empire off the hook. It suggests that the Balfour Declaration, the act of a short-sighted government embroiled in the Great War, was the only problem. The Declaration, however, committed Britain to doing very little in Palestine.

    The text of the Declaration stipulated that the British government viewed with favour, and would ‘facilitate’, the ‘establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people’. This statement was followed by the caveat, ‘nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities
    But there was no attempt by the government to define what was meant by these promises. There was no serious consideration by the cabinet or the foreign office as to what was meant by the term ‘national home’, or how exactly Britain would ‘facilitate’ its establishment. Also, no thought was given to how the rights of the so-called ‘non-Jewish communities’ might be affected by the ‘national home’, or how they would be protected.

    The principal reason for this oversight is that the government was not focused on the future of Palestine when it issued the Declaration. Their primary objective was to rally world Jewry behind the Allied war effort, especially in Russia and the United States. This policy was pursued because of a mistaken belief in Jewish power and commitment to Zionism.

    Straight from the horses mouth
    David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti – Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

  • שחר רחמני

    Stop qouting radical rightists!! at least mention they are.

  • jim

    Are not the radical rightists the ones in power anyway?
    Anyway using anything but prominent Israelis own words will only get you accusations of peddling “Hamas” propaganda -from the local uninformed herd
    Who btw have a habit of not sourcing there info LOL
    When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

  • שחר רחמני

    you mean a female suicide bomber? just a few days ago IDF killed one of those..

  • Guardian

    The US paid Mexico in exchange for land as part of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo which was signed by the US and Mexico on 2/2/1848. In addition to establishing the Rio Grande as the border between the two countries, the territory acquired by the U.S. included what would later become the states of Texas, California, Nevada, Utah, most of New Mexico and Arizona, and parts of Colorado and Wyoming.

  • jim

    peaceful lot those Israelis aren’t they !
    “We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum”

  • שחר רחמני

    “The kingdom of Israel and the modern Israeli state are two COMPLETELY different things” you are kidding right? omg where do you get this crap?

  • Suzanne McLennan

    It seems to me its still a war of Ishmael and Isaac. Ishmael is still trying to kill Isaac.

  • jim

    Works both ways -a couple of examples
    Two Israeli soldiers who used a nine-year-old Palestinian boy as a human shield were given suspended sentences and demoted after being convicted of “inappropriate conduct”.
    in another Israeli soldiers used a handcuffed Palestinian teenager as a human shield as they fired at protestors in the occupied West Bank village of Abu Dis 04/19/2013
    The incident was witnessed by independent journalist who took photographs. video footage of the incident was shot by Twitter user @Kate_Arno.
    From http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.530993
    UN human rights agency report claims Israeli forces arbitrarily arrest Palestinian children in Gaza and West Bank, subject them to degrading treatment, exploit them to scope out potentially dangerous buildings and use them as shields

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit was held as a prisoner for years and was treated reasonably well. He was traded for Palestinians held without charges some for years.

    Americans have committed horrendous crimes, would Glenn Beck cite one of these to depict all of America as he does the Palestinians?

    In May Israeli soldiers shot and murdered two Palestinian youths. In June three Jewish settler youth were killed. In retaliation three Jewish youths lit a Palestinian on fire burning him alive.

    Netanyahu without any proof accused Hamas of being to blame for the three settlers and rampaged through the West Bank and then attacked Gaza killing over 600 people most of them noncombatants.

    Glenn Beck is a shill for Israel.

  • jim

    “Arabs in Israel … have no right to serve in the Israel Defense Forces, to marry a Jew in Israel according to state law, or even to study in the language of the majority.”
    (Amnon Rubinstein, 18 September 2003)
    Understanding bunch aren’t they-
    This is what a a former Attorney General of Israel from 1993-96
    had to say on the matter
    “We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one – progressive, liberal – in Israel; and the other – cruel, injurious – in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day.”
    (Michael Ben-Yair, 3 March 2002)

  • psycho francis

    Who the hell is that? Never heard of him…was he ever prime minister?

  • jim

    The Koenig Memorandum (also known as The Koenig Report) was a confidential and internal Israeli government document authored in April 1976 by Yisrael Koenig, a member of the Alignment (then the ruling party), who served as the Northern District Commissioner of the Ministry of the Interior for 26 years

  • psycho francis

    Oh iI found it… Of course it is a fake quote. You idiots can’t even get your hate right.

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  • jim

    I guess this is propaganda too is it
    “When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

  • Anonymous

    So, a Chairman of the committee to re-elect a Mayoral candidate speaks for the entire Jewish Nation? I hope to heck the Palestinians are not quoting one of BOs political chairmen.
    Could it be that he was speaking of the fact that the “Palestinians” believe that the Jews are sub human and that it is each and every Palestinian’s duty to kill the Jews? – to quote Allah!

  • jim

    Countering with some students rant sourced from a biased org like CAMERA -bravo
    You forgot to mention this little gem from that pathetic Blog though
    “The Israeli government refused to implement the Report’s inappropriate suggestions”
    You were saying about fake ?
    I think you should take a look in the mirror if you want to see hate lol

  • psycho francis

    Except that he proves it is a fake quote.

  • Gabriel

    Lol I was watching youtube clips where Palestinians would make children provoke IDF soldiers so if they used force on the children then it would be caught on camera.

    The Palestinian brat was screaming and raising her fist to the guard. You can find all kinds of clips from YouTube showing Palestinians starting fights with the IDF .

    One old Palestinian female crossed over onto Israeli territory then when she was touched by a IDF soldier she threw herself back like she was shoved then started whining like she was abused. Bad acting from her part by the way.

    The Palestinians have made themselves unwanted and ashamed. They’ve done this to themselves by housing Hamas and coveting land that does not belong to them.

    I don’t feel bad for those people at all and never will. They could have peace but it’s not peace they desire. They want to infest Israel so Hamas can kill the Jewish people.

  • bananaman

    Yes

  • jim

    No he doesnt!
    A case of cognitive dissonance methinks
    Pardon me if I dont take the word of a clearly biased org like CAMERA and some students rant
    But What does your oracle of a student say of this quote from a former Attorney General of Israel from 1993-96
    “We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one – progressive, liberal – in Israel; and the other – cruel, injurious – in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day.”
    (Michael Ben-Yair, 3 March 2002)

  • psycho francis

    Let me get this straight…Hama’s was losing support until they started shooting at isreal and then put children in front of the return volleys. And then they started to get support. The Palestinians are freaking stupid.

  • bananaman

    .. and turn his holy land into a parking lot ?

  • bananaman

    You may have well as read Harry Potter.

  • psycho francis

    So some leftist whacko pol writes a book and all of a sudden isreal is proven to be the bad guy? We have Liz Warren here but nobody listens to her because we all know she is a commie america hater. In 10 years you’ll be quoting her as proof that america is naziland.

  • bananaman

    You really live in total ignorance.

  • jim

    Yep cognitive dissonance -you got it bad
    Time to bring in the big guns lol
    David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti – Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

  • bananaman

    So God was an Estate Agent was he ?
    You fool.

  • jim

    “Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.” – Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI’s cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)

  • jim

    “We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel… Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours.” Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces – Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

  • jim

    I guess this guys a commie lefty too huh
    “The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war.” Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha’aretz, 19 March 1972.

  • jim

    Maybe this guys a lefty too
    “Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.” Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

  • jim

    Boy the herd here really is suffering from cognitive dissonance
    Ill just quote this nobody then(a former Attorney General of Israel from 1993-96. )
    “We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one – progressive, liberal – in Israel; and the other – cruel, injurious – in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day.”
    (Michael Ben-Yair, 3 March 2002)

  • jim

    How about this lefty commie nobody
    Vladimir Jabotinsky (the founder and advocate of the Zionist terrorist organizations), Quoted by Maxime Rodinson in Peuple Juif ou Problem Juif. (Jewish People or Jewish Problem): “Has any People ever been seen to give up their territory of their own free will? In the same way, the Arabs of Palestine will not renounce their sovereignty without violence.”

  • jim

    Or how about this total unheard of dude
    (if the cognitive dissonance allows you to absorb this gem that is)
    David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti – Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

  • bananaman

    I can’t believe someone who chips-in on this subject doesn’t know about the blockade !
    I suggest a little of http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/03/369692/israels-ethnic-cleansing-in-jericho/ , and maybe a few of the others to see what life is like day to day for Palestinians.

    To get an idea of how so called ‘civilised’ or ‘chosen’ Israelis negotiate – http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/174288-israel-latest-invasion-gaza/ is revealing !

  • jim

    Article from some anti Israel lefty rag called Haaretz
    Israeli racism is embedded in daily politics of every state body
    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/israeli-racism-is-embedded-in-daily-politics-of-every-state-body.premium-1.437020

  • bananaman

    I will pray for your sick and deceived mind and soul.

  • Anonymous

    You are greatly in error and will always be in error until
    you can accept, understand and seek the truth. But time is running short in the seventh month 14th year of Ezekiel’s war.

  • jim

    Such saints aren’t they ! Look what this dude has to say on the matter
    “Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.” – Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the Beasts,” New Statesman, June 25, 1982

  • jim

    Hmmm wonder what this dudes going on about then
    “We’ll make a pastrami sandwich of them, … we’ll insert a strip of Jewish settlements in between the Palestinians, and then another strip of Jewish settlements right across the West Bank, so that in 25 years’ time, neither the United Nations nor the United States, nobody, will be able to tear it apart.”
    (Ariel (Arik) Sharon, 1973)

  • Gabriel

    Go ahead pray for me all you want to. I’ll support Israel because I know scripture and because they do all that they can to defend there own people from terrorist.

    Again I don’t feel bad for the Palestinians because they prefer to lie,provoke,and house terrorist.

  • jim

    Gee I guess these Tens of thousands of Jews protesting the State of Israel in NYC… On June 9, 2013,
    (that just happened to have U.S. Media Blackout about it at the time-Hmmm wonder why ?)are just lefty commie self hating Jews too huh !
    Because as we all know Zionism=Judaism(sarcasm intended-for those to mentally impaired to get it)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMQ9C6vni0w#t=11

  • jim

    BBC report about Israeli Soldiers using Palestinians as Human Shields
    Before the usual outcry from the local herd-that the BBC is anti Israel is raised-I,d like to point out that the BBC has been besieged by tens of thousands of protesters over the last few weeks accusing it of pro Israeli bias
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjEd4hJNVCE

  • alex

    Isaac is occupying Ishmael’s land.

  • jim

    Lol- The myth that Palestinians were given fair warning to evacuate before Israeli bombs were dropped on civilians is laughable- While Israelis have been given a smartphone app to warn them of approaching Hamas rocket launches, Palestinians are given nothing but a ‘smaller warning bombing” before the ‘big bombs’ are dropped minutes later.

    “Evacuate to where?” Its been asked. Have you seen Gaza? Israel blocked this border. Egypt blocked this border. What, are they supposed to do-swim for it?(they cant do that either or they risk getting shelled and killed by the Israeli navy just like those 4 innocent kids that were playing soccer on Gaza beach)
    http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/07/israeli-strike-on-gaza-beach-kills-four-children/374549/

  • שחר רחמני

    what a load of crap!! if you really belive in such shallow and misinformative reports then you are a moron! did they ask IDF what was really going or did they just run and tell what some liar arab told them?

  • jim

    Take it up with the BBC its there report lol

  • jim

    Hope you called out crap on the Palestinian human shield rants too-have you ?
    Because these accusations are traded by both sides you know !!!
    but in the interest of clarity
    Two Israeli soldiers who used a nine-year-old Palestinian boy as a human shield were given suspended sentences and demoted after being convicted of “inappropriate conduct”.

    in another Israeli soldiers used a handcuffed Palestinian teenager as a human shield as they fired at protestors in the occupied West Bank village of Abu Dis 04/19/2013

    The incident was witnessed by independent journalist who took photographs. video footage of the incident was shot by Twitter user @Kate_Arno.

    From http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.530993

    UN human rights agency report claims Israeli forces arbitrarily arrest Palestinian children in Gaza and West Bank, subject them to degrading treatment, exploit them to scope out potentially dangerous buildings and use them as shields

  • שחר רחמני

    omg you filled this website with BS !! i’m an orthodoxic israeli jew and all of us in israel including the orthodoxic community think that those Hasidics in NY ARE CRAZY!! so, you try to show that you know things, do us a favor and get off your high horse!!

  • jim

    Theres enough outrageous unsubstantiated BS to fertilize 3 planets here already without my 2 cents worth LOL
    Or is only one side of the story allowed ?
    But your point is what exactly ?
    As I thought Zilch !!!
    You cant defend the indefensible

  • שחר רחמני

    “Are not the radical rightists the ones in power anyway?” sorry but the answer is no. specially not like the ones you qouted.

  • jim

    And what about this ball of human kindness-is he a lefty ?
    Moshe Feiglin, a deputy speaker of the Israeli parliament and a member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party, urging the Israeli army to kill Palestinians in Gaza indiscriminately and use every means possible to get them to leave

  • Suzanne McLennan

    Got to love different perspectives of historical events. I think all the land actually belongs to God who decides who he will give it to…. outside of that, you have Ishmael saying it was him that was being sacrificed on the alter when the angel came top stop it all. Someday all truth will be revealed. I think the poisonous jealousy has carried on for ages.

  • Anonymous

    I hold Israel to a higher standard than I do Hamas. Hamas is essentially a terrorist organization, I expect them to kill civilians when they can. Israel says they are the good guys, they say they are a humane democracy, I expect them to act like it and cause as few civilian casualties as possible. Even if that means not bombing specific areas. They have Iron Dome, they’re mostly safe. This whole thing began because the tragic kidnapping and murder of three kids was used as an excuse for military incursions and the arrest of some 700 people, as well as the demolition of countless houses in the west bank. They have the right to defend themselves, not to be reckless and shoot from the hip anytime something happens.

  • Anonymous

    3 kids were kidnapped, Israel accused Hamas and has yet to produce any evidence. Typically hamas takes credit for this stuff because it gives them street cred, they did not. Israel demolished houses in the west bank and arrested several hundred people. Hamas launches rockets.
    Whoever kidnapped the kids started this, but as a regional power you’d hope that Israel wouldn’t be so damn reckless and through their neighborhood into a major conflict everytime something happens.
    If you punch me and then I stab you and then we pull guns and shoot up the whole street trying to kill each other, I didn’t start it but I’m responsible for the escalation.

  • jim

    Gee you sound like this dude LOL
    Ours will be a brutal land of pens stretching between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean that will make South African apartheid pale.”
    (Yigal Bronner, 17 September 2003)

  • jim

    Is god a real estate agent ???

  • jim

    Didn’t you know -Gods a real estate agent !Lol

  • Anonymous

    I’m an american by birith, but my family hails from western europe.
    Should I go back to Europe if a Native American shows up and finds a burial mound in my neighborhood?
    No, I live here, I have the deed to the land, (and palestinians did have deeds to their land. Zionists bought up a good bit, but many people were forcibly removed from their property or had it zeized after the various wars.)

  • Anonymous

    *them

  • jim

    Real godly of you -I guess you agree with this dude then !
    “Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.” – Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the Beasts,” New Statesman, June 25, 1982

  • שחר רחמני

    like glenn beck said in this video if we weren’t so restrained we would have wiped out all of gaza from the sky without any casualties on our side, but instead we made a ground operation that cost us 27 soldiers that BTW one finger of them worths 1 billion pigs from Hamas. and about the civilians that are dying out there, we are very sorry about this but that’s on Hamas.imagine that you are in a situation when someone is about to pool the trigger on your son and he’s sooting from a place with civilians, won’t you try to shoot him anyway? this is exactly what is going on over there! so for All those who say that there is a lot of civilians casualties therefore IDF murdering civilians, that’s a low and shallow perspective of what is really going on.

  • Anonymous

    I doubt they put children in front of the return volleys, haven’t seen any real evidence and obviously it isn’t much of a deterrent. It’s a very densely populated area, hard to blow something up without hurting people.
    But yeah, that’s how that works. It’s what the IRA does whenever they start to lose support. Israeli PMs have started conflicts with palestinians around election time to bolster their credentials. Around election time all of our politicians become a bit more hawkish, everybody likes a tough guy whose ready to fight no matter how stupid it may be.

  • jim

    What about this person how do you feel about the way he talks about the US?
    “Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.” – Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI’s cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)

  • Anonymous

    We should all question in the FAA to bann flights to Israel was influrence by obama to pressure Israel into unfavorable cease fire and a favorable one for Hamas ??? Ya somewhat of a war zone but completely different from Ukraine it is not hand held anti-aircraft missile or the very sophicated Russia large anti-aircraft mobile launcher range up to 35,000 ft with distant radar control !!! What going on in Israel is unguided rockets attack at fairly low altitude with trajectory of 45 degree for maxium range !!! Maybe one out 50 rockets will get pass Israel iron dome defense system !! Then to hit exact area of plane size area let say 120 yrds by 120 yrds when these rockets can hit anywhere within 12,000 by 12,000 yrds area greatly cut the chances of being hit, Plus the warning from IDF of incoming rocket attack the planes can climb to altitude well above the lower altitude of rockets maybe tops of rockets trajectory could be at 20,000 ft,!! Maybe while plane landing or takeoff a incoming rocket could crater the runway ,not have enough braking distance or speed to take off to avoid crater could be of some danger !! I think FAA is over exaggerating the danger for obama dirty politics on Israel !!!!!!!! ???? To pressure Israel to do as I say by the phony savior obama even it’s not in the best interest of Israel !!??????

  • jim

    Or maybe you agree with this little gem of a statement and are happy to be subjected to nuclear blackmail(Google the samson option)
    “We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. … Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: “Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.” I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen, before Israel goes under.”
    (Martin van Creveld, 2003)

  • jim

    @rags does that call for extermination Include the entire non combatant civilian population of Gaza too?
    if so
    What a fine specimen of a human being you are

  • jim

    What MSM media coverage is pro hamas ???Lol
    examples ???

  • Pearls to Swine

    You need to learn your history better. No one is saying the Arabs who call themselves “Palestinians” have to go back to Egypt and Saudi Arabia where they came from. They are being told that they have to stop waging war and murdering the Jewish population.
    If you will learn history you will find out that the Jews who were living in Jerusalem for ages were forced out during the Jordanian occupation. The ancient graves on the mount of Olives were bulldozed by the jordainians and the tomb stones used to build a hotel which still stands there to this day. When the Jews returned they found Arabs living in their homes which THE JEWS had deeds to but were unable to reclaim them. Learn history and stop spreading nonsense.

  • jim

    As ever, the dominant narrative being presented to us on the current conflict in Gaza is that Israel is defending itself and its civilians against unprovoked aggression by Palestinian terrorists -What utter BS lol
    It is the same narrative we have been subjected to over countless years, one intended to paint Israel, that democratic outpost of Western civilization surrounded by barbarian hordes intent on its destruction, as perennial victim.

  • jim

    Lol isnt it funny If you say Israel bombed X (hospitals,disabled peoples homes ,4 small kids playing soccer on the beach or whatever),huge numbers of uninformed people are TRAINED to say Hamas hid weapons there without any idea if its true
    Gabriel that rant sounded like it came from this dudes school of thought-you didn’t happen to be on that committee by any chance did you ?
    . “We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

  • שחר רחמני

    i’m in israel and you are in some hollow typing BS on your keyboard so let my give you some flash news: first of all we did have an evidence that they were Hamas people. maybe the order did not come from above but they were Hamas people. and i’m not gonna argue with you about our intel because you can check it out that our intelligence is one of the greatest in the world. so, when that happened, it justify arrests to investigate the situation don’t you think? i mean if it doesn’t, what is? right away after this, Hamas started to shoot missiles from gaza. now do you see the picture? it’s pretty obvious who started and escalated.

  • Anonymous

    Hey obama what are you looking for any way to pressure Israel matter how slight the reason is !! Then look the other way for Hamas just as you had the U.S attorney general look the other way in the voters intimidation by thugs & goons in Philly Penn !!!???? I say pray for Israel ,United States, the western free world with the traitor obama at the helm he will run the ship of United States aground or sink it on the reefs on purpose and by design the course heading is hidden by obama deceptions & lies ???!!!!

  • Pearls to Swine

    The issue of to whom Gd promised the land of Israel in the Torah is not a genetic one, so your argument, even if it had merit which it does not, is based on cotton candy and has no substance. I also favor a bi national state over a “two state” solution but there are better solutions than either one of those that no one is considering like making the Arabs citizens of Jordan which was the majority of pre-state “Palestine” before the creation of the modern state of Israel.

  • Gabriel

    What does terrorist all have in common? They are extremely Anti semetic. From reading most of your comments you support radicle Islam and terrorism.

    But do what you always do blame the Jew.

  • jim

    Didn’t know God was a real estate agent?
    But if it galls you so much take it up with Shlomo its his book
    (which incidentally was a best seller in Israel)
    I personally favor a bi national state also(but thats hardly likely now-because of Israeli facts on the ground and all that sneaky expropriation of land to build illegal settlements and other assorted squatters BS)-but your proposal will never be accepted by the original inhabitants of Palestine as Ben Gurion said
    “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti – Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

  • martha

    Ps. 14:1a The fool has said in his heart,
    “There is no God.”

  • jim

    Quick to jump to conclusions without substantiation aren’t you Gabriel!
    I wager your sources of news amount to FOX and that’s it full stop huh!
    Are you playing the anti semitic card because you have no valid arguments to counter with?
    All I have done is posted the words of prominent Israelis
    By what warped definition is that anti Semitic-Elaborate(if you can)
    Zionism is not the same as Judaism
    btw Arabs are semitic also-(or don’t they count as people in your book)or is cognitive dissonance obscuring that inconvenient fact for you-Tell me are Jewish lives worth more than Arab lives in your eyes ?
    If so Bravo-what a fine specimen of a human being you are

  • Suzanne McLennan

    No. ..I don’t think so. I think he is the land Lord. He decides how long the lease is for. Lol

  • jim

    Sources ???

  • Austin Schmidt

    I have heard some things about the blockade, but what I heard before was a bit different from what Alex provided links to.

  • jim

    I could ask what do useful idiots have in common also -
    For the nth time Zionism is NOT the same as Judaism nor does it represent it !
    Its the same ludicrous narrative we have been subjected to over countless years, one intended to paint Israel, that democratic outpost of Western civilization surrounded by barbarian hordes intent on its destruction, as perennial victim.
    But as in the past, so as now, it is a lie.
    The truth is the current conflict has little if anything to do with Hamas or its puny scrap metal rockets. It does however have everything to do with the state of Israel’s decades-long policy of occupation, embargo, siege, collective punishment, expropriation, ethnic cleansing and apartheid. Israel’s war is not with Hamas but with the Palestinian people in their entirety, It is a war waged by occupation, checkpoints, and settlements. It is a war waged by economic embargo, siege, and collective punishment, indignity and humiliation.
    This is the same old song of colonialism. The victims always bring it on themselves. If only they would learn to bear their chains in silence. huh !!!

  • jim

    Gee it will be a real fair fight for the perennial victim Israel(NOT)
    Dan Sanchez gives a perfect description of the disparity in arms between the US/Israeli war machine and Palestinian scrap metal projectiles: “They [the Gazans] are like fish in a barrel, being blasted by a shotgun from above. It’s like some of the fish in the barrel pathetically spitting water at the gunman, and [US media calls] that a “shooting battle.”

  • Pearls to Swine

    None of the Arabs in Israel are the “original inhabitants” unless you want to point to the Jews who were forcibly converted to Islam and now live as Arabs.
    As the video I posted makes abundantly clear that even the Arabs themselves don’t believe your nonsense.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B5hKbDdkU4

  • jim

    But the video you posted is total BS
    Ill take Shlomo sands Scholarly account (backed up by numerous sources and DNA evidence to boot)over the words of some halfwit Bozo,s with no academic credentials anytime Lol

  • jim

    Because god is a real estate agent right ?
    Is that the sole basis of your argument or do you have any other pearls of wisdom(preferably from a CREDIBLE source)

  • jim

    I think he already is reading some questionable work of fiction !Lol

  • jim

    Source ???

  • Austin Schmidt

    So after doing some research, it does appear that UN has agreed that Israel violated the Geneva convention. Is that wrong? Well, yes and no. It’s wrong to break the rules, but also one must account for the motives behind breaking the rules. From what I’ve come to understand, the Arab nations started the wars between them in 1947. Israel won that conflict and got some land. Then came the six day war of 1967, which Israel again won and took some land. According to the Geneva convention this was deemed illegal activity, but with the way Israel has behaved with the land, it seems like they might be just punishing the Arab nations for attacking them. I say this, because Israel gave back the Sinai Peninsula when Egypt recognized Israel as a sovereign nation and signed a peace treaty with them. Fast Forward 58 years and we see Israel again give up land (Gaza Strip) to the Palestinians in a series called the, “Israeli-Palestinian Peace Process.” Israel did take land in war, but they have shown that they are willing to give it back, if the surrounding countries will just sign peace treaties with them. The Sinai Peninsula is rich in oil, I hear, so that’s a pretty big thing to give up, and the Gaza Strip had a lot of Israeli citizens living in it. It appears to be a classic case of whether or not the end justifies the means.

    I’m going to bed now, so here’s an awesome gif to keep you entertained until I can come back and respond to anything you have to say about that!
    http://9gag.com/gag/a3YdzN7

  • jim

    Gee I wonder what this (no doubt anti semitic in your book) paper the Haaretz means by this headline

    Israeli racism is embedded in daily politics of every state body
    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/israeli-racism-is-embedded-in-daily-politics-of-every-state-body.premium-1.437020

  • jim

    You mean the bozos on this vid speak for all Arabs !!!
    Gee I never would have guessed
    But I,ll still take Shlomo Sands sourced,and DNA verifiable account over his I think !Lol

  • jim

    I think he already is reading some questionable work of fiction Maybe he,d be better served becoming a Pastafarian and joining the church of the flying spaghetti monster (all hail his noodly goodness )!Lol

  • jim

    Lol-What pressure ?-Obomber,s as subservient as all the other previous US prez,s when it come to Israel..Where the hell do you get your news sources from ? FOX !!!
    This is what Ariel Sharon had to say about US pressure
    “Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.” – Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI’s cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)

  • jim

    Its all Hamas this and Hamas that from Israeli apologists seeking to justify the collective punishment of the entire non combatant civilian population of Gaza,50% of whom are children under 14
    But just who exactly are Hamas and what are there roots ?
    According to several scholars including Zeev Sternell, a historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, it was Israel which created Hamas
    [The article below originally appeared in the French daily L’Humanité on December 14, 2001, translated to English by Global Outlook in 2002, and published by Global Research in March 2004. It shows how the so-called Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) was founded by Israel’s Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks (Mossad) with the strategic purpose to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State.Maybe the present outcome has been very different but the intent from the outset was there in the beginning to scupper what Israeli politicians fear most a Palestinian “peace offensive”
    http://globalresearch.ca/artic

  • jim

    How odd-because according to several scholars including Zeev Sternell, a historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, it was Israel which created Hamas[The article below originally appeared in the French daily L’Humanité on December 14, 2001, translated to English by Global Outlook in 2002, and published by Global Research in March 2004. It shows how the so-called Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) was founded by Israel’s Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks (Mossad) with the strategic purpose to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State.
    http://globalresearch.ca/artic

  • alex

    You can’t equate a feud between two people that may or may not have actually existed to a feud between millions of people thousands of years later.

  • Pearls to Swine

    I will make it simple for you too:

    Here is a map of the borders delineated for the state of Israel by the League of Nations which will show you that Israel has yet to regain its borders:

    http://www.onestateisrael.com/maps/map-of-land-allotted-for-jews-following-the-1923-league-of-nations-creation-of-trans-jordan/

  • Pearls to Swine

    You can have Sands and his discredited theories.
    I will take the eye witness testimony of this “Palestinian” Arab who I think knows better about where they came from !

  • jim

    You have No proof but the word of ONE dude( whose word you normally would NOT give the time of day too-but who now strangely suddenly speaks the unassailable truth and gospel,as it happens to fit your narrative)
    Are you going to provide any Sources on your claims about Sands work (if you have any-of which I very very much doubt )or just rely on hot air and bluster ?

  • jim

    Lol-Sands is an Israeli scholar that can back up what he says -but you’d rather take the word of this Bozo because it fits your narrative.
    Talk about cognitive dissonance(shakes head)

  • jim

    The what If Mexico or Canada were shooting rockets into the United States, analogy is disingenuous at best no one says “What if the white people of Windsor, Ontario, were sending rockets across the Detroit River onto Detroit?” But that would get the race dynamics that the analogy is aiming at all wrong.would it not ?

    The reason Israel is taking rocket fire from Gaza is that it is an Occupying Power over Gaza(the Israelis controls most land and sea borders with Egypt’s new US backed (read likes the US foreign aid to keep filling his pocket)de facto pharaoh, Al Sissi bringing up the rear- and won’t let the Palestinians of that territory have the rights that accrue to citizens of a state. The Israeli military decides the fate of millions of Palestinians, who are denied basic popular sovereignty. Israel has Gaza non-combatant civilians under economic blockade, preventing people from exporting most of what they make. It has destroyed the airport and won’t let the Mediterranean port function. It has deliberately made 56% of the population food insecure, i.e. a couple of paychecks away from going hungry.

    It is insulting for pro Israel chauvinists to imply that the US is just like them, that we also gleefully have a jackboot on the necks of brown peoples beyond our borders, and that we would respond with the same disregard for non-combatant life as the Israeli air force if a few mostly harmless rockets fell on our side of the border. I don’t think we’d bomb the bejesus out of Montreal over some 8th grade chemistry experiments.
    Dan Sanchez gives a perfect description of the disparity in arms between the US/Israeli war machine and Palestinian scrap metal projectiles: “They [the Gazans] are like fish in a barrel, being blasted by a shotgun from above. It’s like some of the fish in the barrel pathetically spitting water at the gunman, and [US media calls] that a “shooting battle.”
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/12/disabled-palestinians-unable-escape-israeli-air-strike

  • jim

    Btw cant help but notice you failed to adress Ben Gurions words
    Even Ben Gurion knew and admitted that the expulsion of the people living there already(palestine) amounted to ethnic cleansing

  • Pearls to Swine

    I will address Ben Gurions words as soon as you address the words of this Hamas member and explain to me exactly what he means by “Half the “palistinians” are Egyptian and the other half are Saudi’s.” And make sure you bring sources to prove your point.

  • jim

    Lol-I,d say the onus is on you! not me- to substantiate this Bozo,s claims.
    Btw are you seriously suggesting that there was no indigenous population in Palestine prior to the Balfour declaration ?

  • Pearls to Swine

    His claim needs no substantiation. Your claim on the other hand that he is lying does. I won’t rest until you bring me proof of your claim that he is lying ! I want sources !!

  • Anonymous

    Out of context- he was referring to their mindset – they were brainwashed into believing that the land was stolen. Ben Gurion was only being a realist in his expectations of Arab Leaders.

  • Anonymous

    When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian
    representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was
    adopted:

    We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been
    separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious,
    linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds. 6

    In 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel
    Commission, which ultimately suggested the partition of Palestine: “There is no
    such country as Palestine! ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented! There
    is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria.” 7 The representative of the Arab Higher
    Committee to the United Nations echoed this view in a statement to the
    General Assembly in May 1947, which said Palestine was part of the Province of Syria
    and the Arabs of Palestine did not comprise a separate political entity. A few
    years later, Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO,
    told the Security Council: “It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing
    but southern Syria.” 8

    Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I
    phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967
    Six-Day War.

  • Anonymous

    That whole argument has been thoroughly refuted. Do your homework, Even Ashkanazim with the name Cohen can be traced to ancient Israel.

  • jim

    Nice try-but what utter hogwash!
    provide some verifiable sources plz
    Cognitive dissonance seems to be par for the course for Israeli apologists when it comes to defending the indefensible

  • Anonymous
  • jim

    Wether there was a country called X or not is just sophistry and semantics -a Bi national state with justice and equality for all would be the just and logical solution
    But like it or not -the simple fact is -that there was an indigenous population in Palestine that had been living there for century’s already
    “Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.” Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

  • Anonymous

    You are just revealing your ignorance and providing me the perfect opportunity to point out that the Arabic names are based on the original ancient Hebrew names. I love when someone like you only knows half the truth.

  • jim

    Take it up with Shlomo sands he,s only a Israeli professor of history at Tel Aviv University -so what does he know huh !Lol
    Btw Do you have scholarly sources to back up your claims ?

  • jim

    Forgive me if I dont take the writings of a leader of the Jewish terrorist gang that carried out the terrorist bombing of Jerusalem’s King David Hotel in 1946,seriously
    He is about as right wing an ultra zionist as it gets
    Samuel Katz claim that since the late 1970s the Israeli Right had become too soft sort of illustrates that point

  • Anonymous

    And do you know how radical Left Wing your sources are? You are debunking facts based on the fact that the person who wrote them was Right Wing. As you say “seriously”?

  • bananaman

    http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/174288-israel-latest-invasion-gaza/
    Mr Creveld.
    Just aired the other day, watch the first 9 mins !

  • jim

    I guess this well know Leftys quote is bunkum too then Lol
    Vladimir Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923: “Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, be continued and make progress only under the protection of a power independent of the native population – an iron wall, which will be in a position to resist the pressure to the native population. This is our policy towards the Arabs…”

  • jim

    Tell it to Moshe Dayan,there his words Lol

  • Anonymous

    Jewish settlement toward the end of the 19th Century began in Hebron and Jerusalem which already had a Jewish presence stretching back to the Roman exile of the Jewish People in the year 70 CE. When they expanded, they purchased the land. And yes, the natives attacked. Here he means Arabs from the 600,000 Arabs that also lived there at the same time. There was no Palestinian People yet. That was a cold-war invention.

  • jim

    Lol “Out of context” is ever the mantra from Israeli apologists when trying to defend the indefensible!

  • bananaman

    You shouldn’t read your book so literaly.
    That’s exactly what ‘extremism’ is.
    One should experience a personal journey.
    You’ve allowed a weaponised version of Christianity into your soul, depriving you of clarity and critical thinking.

    FAITH :
    “Strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof”

    Sometimes one has to live in the reality of the here and now. The whole point of Religion, apart from being the grandest control systems ever prior to ‘tubes and monitors’, is guidance on how to live side by side without nicking each others stuff and killing each other.
    That’s going well isn’t it ?

    MODERATE.

  • שחר רחמני

    you are a moron! you are trying to find needles in a haystack to support your claim which tells me that you are an anti-israel in the first place.

  • שחר רחמני

    wow BBC why wouldn’t i belive them.. HELLO!!! GOOD MORNING!!! BBC is an anti-israel channel!

  • שחר רחמני

    you are kidding right? there is a democracy state tells you somthing and an arab guy who hate israel’s guts who would say anything wrong about israel tells you something. i wonder who to belive.. and like i said they didn’t ask IDF what happened there but BBC like BBC..

  • שחר רחמני

    he doesn’t matter who does matter is Benjamin Netanyahu and no one else. and about what Feiglin said, never heard of it.

  • jim

    Gee is that so !LOL
    Best tell it to the BBC protesters-Protests against pro Israel biased BBC coverage of Israeli military operations against the Palestinian refugee population in the Gaza strip are erupting across the UK, with thousands joining a call for fair, unbiased and contextual reporting of the events on the ground.
    London, Manchester, Liverpool, and Newcastle saw marches to “protest at the BBC’s pro Israeli biased reporting” as well as to gather signatures for an open letter to the BBC Director General. London took the main stage of the protest movement.

  • Anonymous

    Jock, again you are in error. I have said nothing religious. I have made only observations that are true provable and
    verifiable that where given to us over 2,000 years ago. The Bible is the only book written that can do this. To denigrate the book you demonstrate a lack of understanding of a power greater than us. What you have been shown is not an
    isolated event it runs consistently from Genesis to Revelation and literal truth is never extreme except to thoughts that bare false witness.

  • jim

    So anybody that doesn’t agree with the collective punishment of the entire civilian non combatant population of Gaza is a moron!
    How very droll !!!
    You cant defend the indefensible
    So you resort to name calling instead -
    I’m surprised you have,not played the anti Semite card yet- to boot !!!

  • bananaman

    I merely suggested an alternative context to your book, not to denegrate it. Within that book alone there are thousands of different interpretations.
    And it’s a book written by humans as all books are, that’s where there’s the requirement for ‘faith’ (ref. defenition above).
    Respect needs to be given to the geniunely pious, and those who use their faith moderately, kindly, and stick to it’s fundemental principles.
    Not to those who believe it to be some kind of entitlement.

    Anyway I give up ! One can’t debate reality and logic by quoting Scriptures. Faith Again !!!

  • jim

    Its all hamas this and Hamas that from Israeli apologists seeking to justify the collective punishment of the entire non combatant civilian population of Gaza.
    But just who exactly are Hamas and what are there roots ?
    According to several scholars including Zeev Sternell, a historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, it was Israel which created Hamas
    [The article below originally appeared in the French daily L’Humanité on December 14, 2001, translated to English by Global Outlook in 2002, and published by Global Research in March 2004. It shows how the so-called Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) was founded by Israel’s Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks (Mossad) with the strategic purpose to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State.Maybe the present outcome has been very different but the intent from the outset was there in the beginning to scupper what Israeli politicians now refer to as a Palestinian “peace offensive”
    http://globalresearch.ca/artic

  • jim

    Who cares what they were called !!!
    The simple fact is -that the people that were there- were living on that land for generations already
    The obligatory Israeli apologists “out of context” mantra does not negate the truth of Ben Gurions words
    do I have to repeat them again so it sinks in ?
    or is the cognitive dissonance just to much to get past !
    David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti – Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

  • shaked

    even in the Koran the Muslim bible Palestine isn’t mentioned but israel is called the land allah gave to the Israelites

  • שחר רחמני

    yeah, thank you for refering to the real issue.

  • Gabriel

    You ramble on about non sense.

  • jim

    No snappy comeback -how dissaponting
    there is no defending the indefensible is there !
    How about the issue of illegal immigration into the US
    and its supporters ?
    Check this article out !
    In one of the more blatant examples of extreme hypocrisy from the Zionist lobby in America, Zionist-supporting organizations have asked Obama to “welcome the stranger” and absorb the recent illegal underage immigrant invasion—while their own country, Israel, bombs and kills Palestinian children in Gaza whose “crime” is that their parents want to return to their homes in Palestine.
    “Thus the extreme hypocrisy of the Zionist organizations in America(and there unwitting enablers)—on the one hand, they demand that America be opened up to all Third World illegal immigrants in a spirit of “welcoming the stranger”—but on the other hand, openly support the racially discriminatory immigration policies of Israel, and that state’s policy of “bombing the stranger.”http://newobserveronline.com/as-israel-rains-death-upon…/

  • jim

    Did I say he was lying ? No
    Maybe this bozo believes what he is saying-but it doesnt make it true does it !
    Besides that you will have a long wait as the the whole thing is a Non sequitur to begin with

  • jim

    Lol-exactly which western media channels are anti Israel?
    do you have any examples or sources to back that up?
    Or is it just hasbara and bluster!
    here is just one example with source
    (Btw Best tell the protesters converging on the BBC because of pro Israeli bias that one-I’m sure you’ll get a barrel of laughs )

    Protests against BBC coverage of Israeli military operation against the Palestinian refugee population in the Gaza strip are erupting across the UK, with thousands joining a call for fair, unbiased and contextual reporting of the events on the ground.

    London, Manchester, Liverpool, and Newcastle saw marches to “protest at the BBC’spro Israeli biased reporting” as well as to gather signatures for an open letter to the BBC Director General. London took the main stage of the protest movement.
    http://rt.com/uk/173044-bbc-protest-gaza-uk/

  • jim

    Glen Beck is your source!!!
    Give me a break !lmao

  • jim

    Gee maybe you should tell that to this guy then
    “The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war.” Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha’aretz, 19 March 1972.

  • jim

    Hmmm- Israel has been the target of at least 77 U.N. Resolutions and the Palestinians have been the target of 1. But the United States consistently vetoes U.N. resolutions against Israel.
    “The major themes reflected in the U.N. resolutions against Israel over the years are its unlawful attacks on its neighbors; its violations of the human rights of the Palestinians, including deportations, demolitions of homes and other collective punishments; its confiscation of Palestinian land; its establishment of illegal settlements; and its refusal to abide by the U.N. Charter and the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War.” – Donald Neff.
    A quick Google search reveals all.lol
    (ps I wait with baited breath for the obligatory anti Israel accusations that will inevitably be leveled at the UN by Israeli apologists suffering from cognitive dissonance)

  • Anonymous

    Too bad you have given up on the truth Jock. When you say men wrote the Bible you tell a half-truth and you denigrate
    it by not understanding they were directed or inspired by God. I directed you to Daniel 8 so you might understand the time we live in by a simple observation. But I have not quoted scripture to you. Notwithstanding God is at work in Israel
    and the Ukraine both events are Biblical and tied together but unless you understand God’s plan you will suffer the days of Noah.

  • bananaman

    You have to admit the indoctrination has worked a treat ! If it wasn’t so destructive you could alost admire it.

  • jim

    But the Palestinians did
    So whats your point ?

  • jim

    Yes the hasbara project sure did its job well
    of course some of these Israeli apologists could also be on the payroll
    Israel is paying and training internet bloggers to delete, rewrite, and revise internet content to shape public opinion to Israel’s benefit.
    Additionally, investigative reporters that infiltrated these groups. reported that some of the seminars also encouraged the workers to spread disinformation on the internet
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofScCiJT4c

  • bananaman

    Do you know what a terrorist is Gabriel ?
    Have you ever investigated what everyday life is like for Palestinians ? Never mind when they’re being bombed.
    Have you brought yourself to look at the dead bodies ? Have you faced seeing all the grieving family members as they’re surrounded by the body parts of relatives amongst the smouldering ruins of what was their homes ? Of these people you don’t feel bad for.

    Or are you another to think that they all live in 5* hotels.

  • bananaman

    Indeed. When you get non Israeli’s defending Israel whilst being ignorant of such a basic fact as the ongoing blockade, tells all.
    And the likes of you and me don’t go unnoticed in these places, nor likely anywhere because of it.

    Just because yer paranoid……

  • Pearls to Swine

    I would just like to point out to everyone on this talk back forum that “Jim” here is a big fat Troll. He has taken upon himself to dominate the conversation with inaccuracies and sophistic arguments in defense of one of the world worst terrorist organizations. He was unable to answer my question as to the meaning of the following video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B5hKbDdkU4

    which is proof that even the “Palestinians” don’t believe their own narrative.

    And another good video that makes the same point as Glenn:
    http://pamelageller.com/2014/07/video-pamela-geller-one-america-news-network-discussing-israel-hamas-jihad.html/

  • jim

    That video has no credibility and merits none-lol-Give me a break with the BS
    You have taken to name calling and disinformation because you cant provide sources or back up your arguments for the carnage being carried out on the civilian non combatant population of Gaza.!(most the population of Gaza are children under the age of 14)
    Are you on the hasbara payroll or what ?
    Shame on you !!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnSUgvSQAio

  • bananaman

    Ok #42, I’m going to mention ‘faith’ again because it’s key.

    You are choosing to believe that the word of God came from these men via your ‘faith’ defined previously. Lets not forget the Bible, and there’s been more than one version, is a selective compilation of stories written by other men over hundreds of years. Ever played Chinese whispers ?

    I’m not in a position to tell you you are wrong. But neither are you in a position to dictate what I believe in.
    Faith again – believing without proof.

    The Region incorporationg Megiddo (armageddon) has been a hot spot since before the Egyptians, who could also have fitted bits of such prophesy into their experience if it had existed then and chosen to do so. Christianity was part evolution of older theologies including Egyptian and Simerian. Same stories.

    Apocalypse is easy to predict and has been repeatedly since man learned to carve stone. And I wouldn’t disregard the possibility that certain world changing events aren’t manufactured to align with bits of prophesy. Thus anyone who belives it was all prophecised by the big man will do nothing to stop it.

    “but unless you understand God’s plan you will suffer the days of Noah.” – you do know that’s threatening me ?
    Is that a just and reasonable use of Christianity ?

    You can think that and believe you’re gonna be elevated up a light beam to salvation one day soon, but I think it’s much more likely we’ll both need flippers and snorkels when the time comes …

  • Pearls to Swine

    You should know about disinformation as any casual glance at this thread will show you to be occupied full time disseminating propaganda. I am still waiting to hear your explanation of my video and calling him one bozo is not an explanation of why the arabs don’t take their own propaganda seriously when they talk among each other. I have had it with you. You are a paid employee.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B5hKbDdkU4

  • Anonymous

    To FAA you declare Israel unsafe in a war zone what for unhanded political reason for obama to pressure Israel into a cease fire not in their best interest but for best interest of Hamas !!??? Hey obama you say you are some type of trusted ally to Israel which nothing but BS coming from you !!!!!!!! FAA how about looking in your own back yard of U.S you very easy could consider all of U.S is war zone and ban all flights in the U.S ,the terrorist already declare war on U.S and it’s citizens anyplace in the world that include our airliners fleets !! P.S The terrorist already destroy 4 airliners or more in U.S with passengers !! Now Israel have a better record than U.S for airliner safety so all U.S flights should be ban and aircrafts should be grounded !! Now Hillary can say to the FAA WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKES IF U.S CITIZENS
    ON AIRLINERS ARE KILLED BY HAND HELD ANTI-AIR CRAFT MISSILE, A LARGE RUSSIAN MOBILE ANTI-AIRCRAFT MISSILE LAUNCHER , or of a slight chance of UN GUIDED ROCKET like in Israel or a Carry on BOMBS or Hi jack them and FLY Them into buildings like in U.S !!!!!!!! Now these airliners still under threats and some are destroy and the passengers are kill !!!!!!!!!!! Why not there is a ban for AFG,Iraq,Egypt, Ukraine ,Pakistan and U.S etc they should have a ban too why single out Israel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????

  • Austin Schmidt

    Do you know what the reasons are that America keeps vetoing them? I can’t find them on google.
    Oh, and as for the blockade the UN commission actually declared that as, “both legal and appropriate.”

  • Austin Schmidt

    Many prominent Muslims actually believe that the Quran promised that land to the Jews. Dr. Tawfik Hamid has some pretty interesting things to say about it all.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_supporters_of_Israel#In_Egypt

    I realize that this won’t change anything, I just wanted to point out that many Muslim’s believe that their god gave that land to Israel too.

  • Pearls to Swine
  • Jesse Bernal

    I see you like saying defending the indefensible. Would you like to go and put that into context for us?

  • Jesse Bernal

    So your ok with ISIS taking over Iraq? Christians are leaving Mosul for the first time in 1600 years because they are being forced to convert, pay a tax or die. Israel has never forced people to convert or die, only muslims are that extreme. Thank God we have a country full of sane and humane people called Israel. If Hamas takes over the region Jews would be exterminated. Also, Iran is funding all of this so they build their nuclear weapons and the sheeple in the media are falling prey to the well oiled propaganda machine.

  • Jesse Bernal

    From Hamas point of view, Allah is a real estate agent.

  • Jesse Bernal

    Get your wacko conspiracy theories out of here. Nobody needs to hear this garbage.

  • Jesse Bernal

    Left wing professor nut job. We have plenty of those right here in the U.S.

  • jim

    The US stands nearly alone against the rest of the world as regards UN sanctions against Israel
    One of the reasons may be political fear of the powerful AIPAC lobby
    Support for Israel interferes with: American relations and removes much-needed money from domestic American requirements — tax revenues that could be addressed to domestic needs are instead sent abroad to prop up a system of discrimination that is antithetical to American principles of equality and democracy.
    No doubt quoting carter will be seized upon by some with cries of lefty and liberal
    (Cognitive dissonance is a powerfull thing)

    “It would be almost politically suicidal for members of Congress to espouse a balanced position between Israel and Palestine, to suggest that Israel comply with international law or to speak in defense of justice or human rights for Palestinians.”

    – Jimmy Carter

  • Jesse Bernal

    Care to comment on ISIS current extermination of Christians in Mosul? You should go ask your hero Ben Gurions. Aka The mouthpiece of god. You sure like to quote some Ben Gurions don’t you.

  • Jesse Bernal

    How did Mexico get it’s territory? Why does anybody have the right to any territory?

  • jim

    Support for Israel interferes with: American relations abroad and removes much-needed money from domestic American requirements — tax revenues that could be addressed to domestic needs are instead sent abroad to prop up a system of discrimination that is antithetical to American principles of equality and democracy.
    In addition, the blowback from ‘special relationship’ between the U.S. and Israel is increasingly imperiling American lives.

  • jim

    One might well wonder why it has been so difficult to create a Palestinian State of some kind, a development that would seem to be in nearly everyone’s interest and which would also impact on many related issues, to include international terrorism, instability in Lebanon and Syria, Iran,etc . The reason is, of course, simple, involving Israeli unwillingness to permit such a state to come into existence coupled with the United States role as an enabler of Israel. So the peace process spins on and on
    Israeli politicians cynically call overtures for peace a threat and named it a “peace offensive”

  • Jesse Bernal

    Poor little Gazans. They are surrounded by people who do NOT want to destroy them. Too bad Israel cannot say the same. Not only do they have a land mass greater than North America surrounding them that want’s to kill them, Now have a little strip inside them that want’s to kill them. Damned if you do damned if you don’t. The fight isn’t just with Gazans and their futile projectiles, the fight is with Iran and their BIG projectiles that are about to become a reality. AKA Nuclear weapons.

  • Jesse Bernal

    This guy will soon be quoting some guy named Ben something. His hero.

  • Gabriel

    I can’t wait until Tzion shines brighter than before. I’m pro Tzion and always will be.

    I don’t have to debate with you because you fail to except the truth. You use talking points from propaganda networks and spew your opinions with out any facts to back your poor views up with.

  • Jesse Bernal

    Poor poor Gazans. They are so oppressed by those barbaric Israeli’s that do NOT want to destroy them. LOL!!! Israel is completely surrounded by countries that want to wipe them off the face of the Earth. Now they have a strip of land from within them that wants to wipe them off the face of the Earth. But hey, like I said. Poor poor Gazans. LOL!!!

  • jim

    consider this-apart from raining banned munitions down on a essentially defenseless captive civilian noncombatant population made up predominately of under 14 year old children!
    In one of the more blatant examples of extreme hypocrisy from the Zionist lobby in America, Zionist-supporting organizations have asked Obama to “welcome the stranger” and absorb the recent illegal underage immigrant invasion—while their own country, Israel, bombs and kills Palestinian children in Gaza whose “crime” is that their parents want to return to their homes in Palestine.
    Thus the extreme hypocrisy of the Zionist organizations in America—on the one hand, they demand that America be opened up to all Third World illegal immigrants in a spirit of “welcoming the stranger”—but on the other hand, openly support the racially discriminatory immigration policies of Israel, and that state’s policy of “bombing the stranger.”http://newobserveronline.com/as-israel-rains-death-upon

  • jim

    Poor poor Israelis there so defenseless they only have the worlds 4th largest army against a captive civilian population that has no,army,navy or air force and have at best only sticks ,stones,low grade firearms and crude projectiles at there disposal and where 50% of the population are children under the age of 14-such a brave bunch aren’t they
    Martin Van Creveld, a professor of military history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, has been quoted as saying: “Most European capitals are targets for our air force….We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.
    Poor Israelis always playing the victim LOL
    Dan Sanchez gives a perfect description of the disparity in arms between the US/Israeli war machine and Palestinian scrap metal projectiles: “They [the Gazans] are like fish in a barrel, being blasted by a shotgun from above. It’s like some of the fish in the barrel pathetically spitting water at the gunman, and the US msm media calls that a “shooting battle.”

  • jim

    So Geller is the swine your casting pearls before
    The bigot has zero credibility !Lol

  • jim

    I see the Hasbara brigades in the house !Lol

  • jim

    Said the hasbara project employee !lol

  • Austin Schmidt

    Does it matter that it was a bluff? The Arab nations started the conflict. Whether they were fighting to defend themselves, or fighting because “genocide was hanging over us”, an attack is still an attack.

  • jim

    I see they’ve drafted in a hasbara project supervisor !Lol
    Will you also be providing unsubstantiated facts with no sourcing also ?

  • jim

    LOL -you mean that dude trained by the Mossad !!!
    NSA documents refer to recent implementation of the hornet’s nest to protect Israel by creating religious and Islamic slogans.
    Leaks revealed that ISIS leader and cleric Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi took intensive military training for a whole year in the hands of Mossad, besides courses in theology and the art of speech.
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-trained-by-israeli-mossad-nsa-documents-reveal/5391593

  • jim

    What an absolute crock-more unsubstantiated drivel from the hasbara brigade
    If Iran wants to Kill ALL jews why have they not started with there own Jewish population first ?(numbering 20,000+)
    Article from theguardian.com, Thursday 12 July 2007 14.36 BST
    Iran’s Jews reject cash offer to move to Israel
    · Expats offer families £30,000 to emigrate
    · Our identity is not for sale, say community leaders
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jul/12/israel.iran

  • jim

    , the offensive Israel launched at 0750 hours (local time) on Monday 5 June was not a pre-emptive strike or an act of self-defence. It was a war of aggression.
    The summary truth about that war is this.
    Assisted by the regeneration Palestinian nationalism, which became the tail that wagged the Arab dog despite the brutal efforts of the intelligence services of the frontline Arab states to prevent it happening, Israel’s military and political hawks set a trap for Nasser; and he walked into it, with eyes half-open, in the hope that the international community, led by the Johnson administration, would restrain Israel and require it and Egypt to settle the problem of the moment by diplomacy. From Nasser’s perspective that was not an unreasonable expectation because of the commitment, given by President Eisenhower, that in the event of the closure of the Straits of Tiran by Egypt to Israeli shipping, the U.S. would work with the “society of nations” to cause Egypt to restore Israel’s right of passage, and by so doing, prevent war.

  • Pearls to Swine

    J ihad I slam M ohamed !

    it is YOU who seem fascinated with my pearls ! Oink Oink !

    It is YOU who have zero credibility since you have yet to answer my question why the Hamas operative in this video does not believe the so called “palistinian narrative” and instead claims that half the “palistinians come from Egypt and the other half from Saudi Arabia”?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B5hKbDdkU4

  • jim

    Lol-I provide quotes and sources mainly from prominent Israeli leaders (how that,s considered anti semitic only a pleb would know)
    you provide vague trivia videos with halfwits pontificating on unverifiable facts
    you provide no sources -but your own opinion-then have the Gall to ask me to explain your own video to you!!!-lmao
    Gee you really are deluded aren’t you Mr Swine !
    Did you even read the gaurdian article on MEMRI and its highly dubious translations
    Endlessy posting some video of a distraught bozo saying god knows what and selectively interpreted by the Biased MEMRI – proves nothing-zero -zilch
    Id say nice try but it wasnt_Its pathetic do you have no other sources or is that the sum total of your ludicrous
    argument
    The video does not even tell us who this bozo is !!!
    Selective Memri

    Brian Whitaker investigates whether the ‘independent’ media institute that translates the Arabic newspapers is quite what it seems

    http://www.theguardian.com/wor

  • jim

    So the utterances and quotes of prominent Israeli politicians over the years is what you consider as propaganda.
    Thats quite revealing !

  • jim

    Oh so the utterances and quotes of prominent Israeli politicians is what the Hasbara brigade are calling conspiracy theory’s now !!!
    Bravo-what an astute fellow you are ! (NOT) lol

  • jim

    Lol-I see your utterly of the mark again with your unsourced and unsubstantiated pontifications again !
    NSA document leaks revealed that ISIS leader and cleric Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi took intensive military training for a whole year in the hands of Mossad,
    intelligence services of three countries created a terrorist organisation that is able to attract all extremists of the world to one place, using a strategy called “the hornet’s nest”. NSA documents also refer to recent implementation of the hornet’s nest to protect Israel by creating religious and Islamic slogans.
    “The only solution for the protection of the Jewish state “is to create an enemy near its borders”. Leaks revealed
    If true, the source is the Gulf Daily,(I can hear the hasbara retort already,unsourced of course LOl) then this wouldnt be the first time Israel felt the need to create a terror organization to keep up the facade that Israel is always the victim. They created Hamas, don’t believe me? Look it up. Thoughts?

  • jim

    LOl-your idea of a debate is name calling and producing unsourced material with unverifiable content

  • jim

    Parroting back whats already been said is not very impressive
    That hasbara training cant be very good can it !!!
    Seeing as anything and everything you provide or write is either parroted back,,unsourced or unverifiable
    Your content has zero credibilty
    Best go back for hasbara retraining or they may want a refund !LOL
    A report from arutzsheve tv on the hasbara bussiness may enlighten you a little!Lmao
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofScCiJT4c

  • jim

    Gee I never knew quoting the verifiable and documented utterances of prominent Israeli politicians is considered conspiracy theory now !
    what an utterly idiotic thing to say LOL

  • Pearls to Swine

    I am still waiting Jihad “Jim” for your answer …….you have yet to answer my question why the Hamas operative in this video does not believe the so called “palistinian narrative” and instead claims that half the “palistinians come from Egypt and the other half from Saudi Arabia”?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

  • Gabriel

    I don’t have to debate with you. I know a hell of a whole lot outside of media sources here at home to know that Hamas and the MBH along with offshoots of the MBH exist and are at work all over the Middle East to take over and destroy Israel.

    I’ve done plenty of research and I can tell you people here at home is right in bed with the MBH. Carter another disgrace of a president gave them a platform and worked alongside them when he was President.

    I know this Muslim disease is in the heart of the liberal party and our national security has been compromised more now since Hussein Obama became president.

    I know the Egyptian people has been sounding the alarm ever since they threw Morsi back I. The rat whole. They tried warning us to what our Muslim president was up to but thanks to MNLSD and CNN the truth remains bottled up.

    I do t have to go to Fox to get the Facts you puke.

    It’s funny how Israel gave medical aid to Syrian refugees and their response to that was why do we even hate you because your good to us?

    You shall know them by the fruit they bare.

  • Gabriel

    When Israel says never again they mean just that. I do t care if they have to nuke the hell out of a freaking army invading them. I’ll support them even of they have to beat the hell out of Hamas and Muslim militaries.

    Wanna know what I’d do if I could interrogate a Muslim swine? I’d take a syringe full of pig blood and inject that needle into the neck of a Hamas jihadi. Then I would read the whole book of Psalms to that swine. After that’s all said and done id water board his ass.

    And guess what that would be more humane than Hamas using children as human shields.

    You puke you wouldn’t know the truth even of God himself backhanded your punk ass.

  • Anonymous

    Our President say he Israel ally and doing every thing he can to help is nothing but BS !!!!!!! Don’t listen to this con artist obama double talk ,but look at his actions,non actions,delay actions it is the opposite of everything he say !!! The design end results is for destruction of Israel, the free western world and the U.S !!!!! Wake up people obama not for Israel, the free western world or for U.S with the freedoms and rights of it’s U.S citizens !!!!!!!!!!! l

  • jim

    My My somebody’s genocidely hot under the color !Lol
    This is what you can expect from your beloved masters if they ever get the chance
    “Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.” – Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the Beasts,” New Statesman, June 25, 1982
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX9Tk2TMA6Q

  • jim

    Gee cant help but notice you sidestepped the issue of Zionist orgs in the US asking Obama to “welcome the stranger” and absorb the recent illegal underage immigrant invasion—while their own country, Israel, bombs and kills Palestinian children in Gaza whose “crime” is that their parents want to return to their homes in Palestine.
    So I guess you support that policy of absorbing the recent illegal underage immigrant invasion into the US too !

    Btw Is this the Zion(ist) your waiting for???
    “Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.” – Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the Beasts,” New Statesman, June 25, 1982

  • Anonymous

    The original name-changers in Palestine were the Arabs, who Arabized hundreds of Hebrew place names when they replaced the Jewish population of the country after the Muslim conquest. Upon taking Jerusalem in 638 C.E., for instance, they renamed it El Kuds, “The Holy,” and Hebron was translated by them as El-Khalil er-Rah.man, “The Friend of God,” its Jewish name being assumed to derive from the Hebrew h.aver, “friend,” and to refer to Abraham. (In time, Arab Hebron came to be known simply as El-Khalil.)

    In the great majority of cases, Arabization took place by adjusting old Hebrew names to Arabic phonetic patterns. Sometimes these changes were minor, leaving the old names recognizable. Biblical Anatot near Jerusalem, the birthplace of the prophet Jeremiah, became the Muslim village of Anata; Modi’in, where the revolt of the Maccabees broke out, turned into Midia; Bet-She’an, in the Jordan Valley south of Tiberias, was called Beisan. Often, however, the changes were great enough to obscure the original name. One might never guess from the sound of it that Jenin, the West Bank town that was so controversially in the news a while ago, was once the Hebrew Ein-Gannim; that the Palestinian village of Jib was the biblical Giv’on, where the sun stood still so that Joshua could finish routing the Amorite kings; or that Bet-El, “the House of God,” the name given according to the Bible by Jacob to the site on which he dreamed of a ladder to heaven, is now the Palestinian Beitin.

    Read more: http://forward.com/articles/6134/what-s-in-a-town-s-name/#ixzz38NHCESbV

  • jim

    Whats to answer ? you provide a video with an unreliable translation from a biased org like MEMRI -this is what a leading UK newspaper has to say about MEMRI
    “the stories selected by Memri for translation follow a familiar pattern: either they reflect badly on the character of Arabs or they in some way further the political agenda of Israel.”
    Unlike you I source -my content
    Heres the entire article

    Selective Memri

    Brian Whitaker investigates whether the ‘independent’ media institute that translates the Arabic newspapers is quite what it seems
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/12/worlddispatch.brianwhitaker

  • jim

    Give me a break-God is NOT a real estate agent !!!
    by that logic huge swathes of the planet would be reclaimed by people claiming there ancestors were there 1000s of years before!
    By that logic the US should be prepared to give back most of the continental US to the native Americans!

  • Pearls to Swine

    Thank you for proving my point ! Jihad Jim.
    You will notice they did not comment on the translations of MEMRI’s work, because they are accurate.
    Of course they further the political agenda of Israel, otherwise why would they bother they are a pro Israel organization not pro savage like you jihad Jim. And of course they reflect badly on the character of Arabs, by showing who they truly are.you have yet to answer my question why the Hamas operative in this video does not believe the so called “palistinian narrative” and instead claims that half the “palistinians come from Egypt and the other half from Saudi Arabia”?!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

  • jim

    This is what the people you support think of christians
    “Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.” – Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the Beasts,” New Statesman, June 25, 1982

  • jim

    Gee you really are deluded aren’t you Mr Swine !
    Did you even read the gaurdian article on MEMRI and its highly dubious translations
    Endlessy posting some video of a distraught bozo saying god knows what but selectively interpreted by the Biased MEMRI – proves nothing-zero -zilch
    Id say nice try but it wasnt_Its pathetic do you have no other sources or is that the sum total of your ludicrous argument

    Selective Memri

    Brian Whitaker investigates whether the ‘independent’ media institute that translates the Arabic newspapers is quite what it seems

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/12/worlddispatch.brianwhitaker

  • jim

    Gee you really are deluded aren’t you Mr Swine !
    Did you even read the gaurdian article on MEMRI and its highly dubious translations
    Endlessy posting some video of a distraught bozo saying god knows what but selectively interpreted by the Biased MEMRI – proves nothing-zero -zilch
    Id say nice try but it wasnt_Its pathetic do you have no other sources or is that the sum total of your ludicrous argument
    The video does not even tell us who this dude is !
    What a joke of an argument

    Selective Memri

    Brian Whitaker investigates whether the ‘independent’ media institute that translates the Arabic newspapers is quite what it seems

    http://www.theguardian.com/wor

  • Pearls to Swine

    Nice try Jihad Jim. But Memri is a reliable source where as a casual perusal of the Guardian that you quote will tell all you need to know about its dubious and anti semitic writers. No wonder you quote it !

    http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4949/the_guardian_s_problem_with_anti_semitism

    Now I want an answer to my question why the Hamas operative in this video does not believe the so called “palistinian narrative” and instead claims that half the “palistinians come from Egypt and the other half from Saudi Arabia”?!https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

  • jim

    I wager before this -you v never even heard of the Guardian Mr Swine !
    Commenting on something where the translation is by a highly unreliable org like MEMRI and where one has no idea who the dude is ?or what he,s actually saying seems a little silly Mr Swine !
    But what is your take on this issue Mr Swine ?
    Do you support the Zionist orgs of America policy of “welcoming the stranger” and absorbing the recent illegal underage immigrant invasion into the US ?

    In one of the more blatant examples of extreme hypocrisy from the Zionist lobby in America, Zionist-supporting organizations have asked Obama to “welcome the stranger” and absorb the recent illegal underage immigrant invasion—while their own country, Israel, bombs and kills Palestinian children in Gaza whose “crime” is that their parents want to return to their homes in Palestine.

    Thus the extreme hypocrisy of the Zionist organizations in America—on the one hand, they demand that America be opened up to all Third World illegal immigrants in a spirit of “welcoming the stranger”—but on the other hand, openly support the racially discriminatory immigration policies of Israel, and that state’s policy of “bombing the stranger
    .”http://newobserveronline.com/as-israel-rains-death-upon…/

  • jim

    You seem almost desperate in your efforts!
    Is this fellow in the video a friend of yours Mr Swine ?
    You seem to ascribe an almost gospel like weight to his poorly translated and unverifiable words !
    Just who the hell is he anyway?
    I pity you if this is the sole source and only basis for your stance.
    It is a highly dubious and selective interpretation from a Biased org ( MEMRI,) of the words of some unknown dude ,in some unverifiable place! Who the hell would believe it !!!
    But bravo mr Swine you dont give up with plying this ridiculous video- what an astute fellow you must be (NOT)

    As for savages -best speak to this guy about that !Lol
    “Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.” – Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the Beasts,” New Statesman, June 25, 1982

  • jim

    Finkelstein dismantles the logic of zionism
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3Ul5fhKwzk

  • jim

    For people preferring to avoid the realities of life, facing the truth often hurts.
    Norman is the Jewish personification of the truth about Zionism.

    That hurts them double.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS8OGIB7Jx4

  • jim

    I’d Dump the Israelis Tomorrow –Ex-CIA Michael Scheuer Tells Congress

    House Homeland Security Committee on October 9, 2013
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHl1JnQoIWQ

  • jim

    Dual Citizenship — Loyal to Whom?
    Can one imagine a Japanese citizen serving in the Pentagon during WWII? Or how about a citizen of the Soviet Union holding a cabinet position in the White House during the Cold War?
    Since citizenship carries with it a responsibility to be exclusively loyal to one country, the whole concept of dual citizenship and nationality raises questions about which of the dual citizenships have priority. This is extremely important when the two countries have opposing interests. It can be a deadly problem when a dual citizen is in a high position within the US government.
    I invite you, as always, to do your own research and come to your own conclusions.

    Dual Citizenship — Loyal to Whom?
    by Dan Eden
    http://www.viewzone.com/dualcitizen.html

  • Nina702

    You spoke about the 3 teenagers but didn’t mention that one of them was a dual citizen. He was American too! Did Obama say anything? No, not until 5 other heads of state did

  • Gabriel

    Yet hitler and the third Reich killed masses because they believed they were the supiror ones.
    Israel has the God given right to protect itself. There’s nothing you nor Obama or Morsi can do about that.

    Palestinians except terror organizations instead of a legit peace deal.

    Palestinians wants all of Israel and every Jew dead. Now who are the ones hell bent on murder and carnage?

    Palestinians are so dumb that they would rather spend time throwing stones in the streets than to get rid of the actual problem Hamas and come to a sense able peace deal.

    But of course they live in fantasy land where they support terrorist while portraying themselves as victims.

  • Gabriel

    How many times has Hamas refused a cease fire agreement? Yet every time a cease fire is mentioned Israel is always ready to except.

    Our sorry leaders would rather punish Israel for defending itself instead of helping them crack down on Terrorism.

  • Anonymous

    Bloomberg saying it was FAA red tape was the cause for the of flights ban to Israel was a possible cover for obama !!! Bloomberg didn’t want to entertain the thoughts of a possible scenario with obama stooping so low to pressure a trusted ally of Israel into a unfavorable cease fire agreement with a ban stopping tourists !!! But I think too many people reason out this ban was not on the up up so obama couldn’t get away with it ,that why it was repeal !!! But now obama gave Hamas a target for a rocket hit within a couple miles of Israel airport or Hamas to set off bomb near the airport and Hamas will lie and say it was rocket ,and by time it is verified it was not a rocket the harm be done !! The target which obama is now giving to Hamas is to give him a slight reason for his cover and he do something Hamas could not do to slow Israel airport operations down to a stall speed !! Our President want a slight reason to stab Israel in the back with obama leading charge with FAA ban of flights to Israel for months to a year !!! Our President obama will give our friend Israel a knife in the back for our enemy Hamas !!!! Bloombberg & obama don’t want any questions ask!! To find out the truth , of the meaning of is is,of deceptions, false directions,lies , the whole truth that they’re are beyond approach in not telling the truth which is their cover !!! What they’re saying they don’t have listen to the people or be held accountable by them,, the press or their representatives of congressmen or senators !!!!!!!!! Welcome to the dictator king obama police state !!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Jock, there you go again trying to discuss God in religious terms that I have not used. It is obvious that you have not checked out what you have been shown. It becomes further obvious when you consider the days of Noah as a threat. The phrase just means you are not watching what God is about to do or has done. That is what the observations prove
    that man cannot see 2,300 years into the future only an all knowing God can do that. As to understanding belief and faith it is as simple as siting down in a new chair. First you must believe the chair will hold and support you. Once you
    sit down in it and it supports and holds you have gained faith by knowing that it will do it again and again.

  • Anonymous

    We should have a new TV serious base on the very devious character of JR of the Dallas TV series. But this time it won’t be fictional ,but base more on facts !! The name of the series should be name obama the JR of the White House !!!!!!!! Maybe Glenn can make a fictional TV series The JR’s of U.S White House !!!!!!!!!

  • שחר רחמני

    source for what? that we can wipe out gaza in a flash? oh sorry i don’t Glenn Beck to tell my what IDF can or can’t do..

  • jim

    You tard -How does that excuse Begins speech to the Knesset June 25, 1982 ? Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.”
    You support that do you

  • שחר רחמני

    when you shoot deliberately from populated areas it’s a legitimate target by international law. it’s as simple as that.

  • jim

    My mistake must have been a cross post !
    Still a nuclear armed apartheid state is nothing to be proud of!

  • jim

    Much respect to this Israeli man with a conscience

  • Gabriel

    I guess you’ll be licking my feet won’t you my slave.

  • Anonymous

    Just believe in every word without question and obey them without question or without a opinion or say on the matter !!! obama reducing you to slave status !!!!!!!

  • jim

    So you do agree with it
    A propent of the master race ideology (hmmm now who in the past was known for that !LOL)A supremacist,apartheid supporter and probably a Dual citizen to boot -Well that Figures

  • שחר רחמני

    I don’t know anything about that, just let my tell you somthing, there is a VERY leftist tv night show here in israel who made fun of BBC about how they twist the reality and how they are anti-israel. (if you wondered it’s not the only example).

  • jim

    Not if you kill a whole bunch of innocent noncombatant civilians in the process (mostly children that are under 14) it isnt.There is a thing called proportionality and overkill

  • jim
  • jim

    Is it true that right wing lynch mobs are roaming the citys of Israel looking for leftists and arabs ?
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/10/israeli-lynch-mobs/

  • jim

    The current heads of the BBC are all ardent Zionists so its small wonder at the nature of there reporting as regards Gaza
    Heres a clip about the protests
    Protests against BBC coverage of Israeli military operation against the Palestinian refugee population in the Gaza strip are erupting across the UK, with thousands joining a call for fair, unbiased and contextual reporting of the events on the ground
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrMhFC2_4eE

  • שחר רחמני

    I suggest to you to check out the meaning of “apartheid state”
    and if you already did then you don’t know what you’re talking about.

  • jim

    It may not be like SA was (yet) but its not far from it !

  • שחר רחמני

    it is actually very far from it. and i hate arguing on reality it’s so frustrating so i invite you here to israel to check EVERYTHING out from close range and not from the media. you’ll see that this claim worths nothing like other claims such as the “occupation” claim when we left gaza in 2005.

  • bananaman

    Thanks for puttin this up Jim, you nasty anti-semite you.

  • שחר רחמני

    if they said once the truth and then all the arabs screamed, it does’t mean that they’re pro israel.. and i told you what you’re doing, you’re digging insignificant things to suppurt your claims and you know it. face the truth! all of you anti-israel i invite you here and you’ll see how great this country is. what you can see from here, you can’t see from there.

  • שחר רחמני

    again insignificant things!! you need to stop!! i’m a rightist and i’m against this violence and a lot like me is!! these are a few people who are frustrated (rightfully) by these rich leftist in Tel AVIV who live in a bubble when they’re smoking Cannabis and sing for peace all day long and know nothing about what is going on.

  • Gabriel

    I was actually mocking you. What does Islam ultimately want?
    For Islam to take over the world and dictate the lives of everyone here on earth.

    They seem to think no other belief is good enough or supreme enough to co exist.

    They say convert or die and they use their citizens as shields. They strap bombs to the young men and tell them a lie about virgins in heaven.

    They kidnapped children and slay them because they are Jew or a westerner.

    These Muslims are extremist and are so bigoted that they would murder for their self righteous Bs.

  • שחר רחמני

    omg you keep shocking me more and more in every comment. HELLO!! WHERE THE HECK DO YOU GET THIS CRAP!!!

  • jim

    Backpedaling fast huh! I sense a lot of underlying hatred there-live and let live I say
    I have no time for ANY organised religion-there just tools to manipulate the masses -Spirituality should be a personal thing not something that is imposed on others
    So your point is what exactley ?-
    That All Muslims should be put to death ?
    Isn’t that a little extreme !!!

  • jim

    Its already common knowledge Lol
    The former employee at US National Security Agency (NSA), Edward Snowden, has revealed that the British and American intelligence and the Mossad worked together to create the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).
    this wouldnt be the first time Israel felt the need to create a terror organization to keep up the facade that Israel is always the victim. They created Hamas, don’t believe me? Look it up.
    http://topconservativenews.com/2014/07/operation-hornets-nest-alleged-snowden-document-says-usukisrael-are-behind-isis/

  • שחר רחמני

    there is proportionality. more than that, actually wo do the best we can and the best ever in history of wars not to kill civilians. for example we send warnings to evacuate buildings (in no war in history that happaned). and like i told alex when you position yourself deliberately among civilians and shoot from there, it’s either my son or your son. sorry but i’ll choose and you’ll choose and all the hypocrite world will choose my son every time.

  • jim

    Amnesty International have condemned the ‘knock on the roof’ procedure saying that is not effective.
    “There is no way that firing a missile at a civilian home can constitute an effective ‘warning’,” argues Amnesty’s regional director Philip Luther. “Amnesty International has documented cases of civilians killed or injured by such missiles in previous Israeli military operations on the Gaza Strip”
    Unless the Israeli authorities can provide specific information to show how a home is being used to make an effective contribution to military actions, deliberately attacking civilian homes constitutes a war crime and also amounts to collective punishment against the families.

  • שחר רחמני

    “common knowledge” indeed Lol! don’t belive everyting you read.. you are continuing with your conspiracy theories, and it makes you look dumb or persistent not to face the truth. it’s sad.

  • jim

    ‘Apartheid’ is defined by the UN as “…a system of institutionalized racial segregation and discrimination for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group … over another … and systematically oppressing them…” by creating ghettos, land confiscation, bans on freedom of movement, speech assemblies and mixed marriages, illegal arrest and detention.
    Sound familiar ?
    For example:
    In the West Bank, Palestinians are prohibited from using the extensive network of settler-only highways that connect the illegal Israeli settlements to Israel. Israelis face no road restrictions.

    Palestinians are under military law and face a constant threat of detention without charge. Israelis are under civilian law.
    the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) described Israel’s violations of the right to equality in unprecedented terms. Noting “segregation between Jewish and non-Jewish communities” and a lack of “equal access to land and property” inside Israel’s pre-67 borders, CERD found a regime of “de facto segregation” in the West Bank severe enough to prompt a reminder of the “prohibition” of “apartheid”.

    So Israeli settlements can expand, over 17,000 Palestinian houses have been demolished, creating thousands of homeless families. Israelis face no confiscation of land.

  • jim

    Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, “Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)”.
    The Hamas had rejected Oslo outright. But at that time, 70% of Palestinians had condemned the attacks on Israeli civilians. Yassin did everything in his power to undermine the Oslo accords. Even prior to Prime Minister Rabin’s death, he had the support of the Israeli government. The latter was very reluctant to implement the peace agreement.
    The Hamas had built its strength through its various acts of sabotage of the peace process, in a way which was compatible with the interests of the Israeli government. In turn, the latter sought in a number of ways, to prevent the application of the Oslo accords. In other words, Hamas was fulfilling the functions for which it was originally created: to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State. And in this regard, Hamas and Israel, see eye to eye; they are exactly on the same wave length.

  • jim

    Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, “Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)”.
    The Hamas had rejected Oslo outright. But at that time, 70% of Palestinians had condemned the attacks on Israeli civilians. Yassin did everything in his power to undermine the Oslo accords. Even prior to Prime Minister Rabin’s death, he had the support of the Israeli government. The latter was very reluctant to implement the peace agreement.
    The Hamas had built its strength through its various acts of sabotage of the peace process, in a way which was compatible with the interests of the Israeli government. In turn, the latter sought in a number of ways, to prevent the application of the Oslo accords. In other words, Hamas was fulfilling the functions for which it was originally created: to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State. And in this regard, Hamas and Israel, see eye to eye; they are exactly on the same wave length.

  • jim

    I Didn’t realize NSA document leaks are regarded as conspiracy theory!!!
    But then again Its not me that is suffering from cognitive dissonance is it !

  • jim

    Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, “Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)”.
    The Hamas had rejected Oslo outright. But at that time, 70% of Palestinians had condemned the attacks on Israeli civilians. Yassin did everything in his power to undermine the Oslo accords. Even prior to Prime Minister Rabin’s death, he had the support of the Israeli government. The latter was very reluctant to implement the peace agreement.
    The Hamas had built its strength through its various acts of sabotage of the peace process, in a way which was compatible with the interests of the Israeli government. In turn, the latter sought in a number of ways, to prevent the application of the Oslo accords. In other words, Hamas was fulfilling the functions for which it was originally created: to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State. And in this regard, Hamas and Israel, see eye to eye; they are exactly on the same wave length.

  • jim

    Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, “Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)”.
    The Hamas had rejected Oslo outright. But at that time, 70% of Palestinians had condemned the attacks on Israeli civilians. Yassin did everything in his power to undermine the Oslo accords. Even prior to Prime Minister Rabin’s death, he had the support of the Israeli government. The latter was very reluctant to implement the peace agreement.
    The Hamas had built its strength through its various acts of sabotage of the peace process, in a way which was compatible with the interests of the Israeli government. In turn, the latter sought in a number of ways, to prevent the application of the Oslo accords. In other words, Hamas was fulfilling the functions for which it was originally created: to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State. And in this regard, Hamas and Israel, see eye to eye; they are exactly on the same wave length.

  • שחר רחמני

    we did not created Hamas we maybe made a move which led to it. do you think that we want to be now in this situation? moron i said already?

  • שחר רחמני

    the article says it is, big difference.

  • jim

    Exactly when did these Egyptians and Saudis move to Palestine lock stock and barrel ???
    Last week ? Last year ? Last decade ?This century
    last century or before that ?
    Can you elaborate ???

  • jim

    The word Frankenstein comes to mind !LOL

  • jim

    Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, “Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)”.

    The Hamas had rejected Oslo outright. But at that time, 70% of Palestinians had condemned the attacks on Israeli civilians. Yassin did everything in his power to undermine the Oslo accords. Even prior to Prime Minister Rabin’s death, he had the support of the Israeli government. The latter was very reluctant to implement the peace agreement.

    The Hamas had built its strength through its various acts of sabotage of the peace process, in a way which was compatible with the interests of the Israeli government. In turn, the latter sought in a number of ways, to prevent the application of the Oslo accords. In other words, Hamas was fulfilling the functions for which it was originally created: to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State. And in this regard, Hamas and Israel, see eye to eye; they are exactly on the same wave length.
    However the captive noncombatant civilian population of Gaza (half of which are children under the age of 14)are hapless pawns caught between Hamas and Israel and are suffering the brunt of the carnage
    It need,s to stop !!!

  • Adam Brown

    People who live in Gaza are not Palestinians because to call them Palestinians means they are part of a country that also has ground in the west bank which is on the east side of Israel. If you look at the map you will see that there is no way for Gaza to be in the same country as west bank without destroying Israel or cutting israel in half.

    That is why you should never call them palestinians, they are from the COUNTY, of Gaza. That region is not big enough to be its own country.

  • jim

    In clarification of what the General meant by “bluff”
    Heres some choice quotes from prominent Israelis about the 6 day war and who attacked who ,the why of it and objective behind it

    Mordechai Bentov, Minister of Housing:
    “The entire story of the danger of extermination was invented in every detail, and exaggerated a posteriori to justify the annexation of new Arab territory.”
    ( April 14, 1971)

    General Mattitiahu Peled, Chief Quartermaster-General’s Branch, Israeli Defence Forces, General Staff:
    “All those stories about the huge danger we were facing because of our small territorial size, an argument expounded once the war was over, had never been considered our calculations prior to the unleashing of hostilities. While we proceeded towards the full mobilization of our forces, no person in his right mind could believe that all this force was necessary to our defence against the Egyptian threat. To pretend that the Egyptian forces concentrated on our borders were capable of threatening Israel’s existence does not only insult the intelligence of any person capable of analyzing this kind of situation, but is primarily an insult to the Israeli army.”
    (Le Monde, June 3, 1972)

    Menachem Begin, Minister without Portfolio:
    “In June l967, we had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.”
    (New York Times, August 21, 1982)

    General Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Staff, Israeli Defence Forces:
    “I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent into Sinai on May 14 would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it.”
    (Le Monde, February 28, 1968 )

    General Haim Barlev, Chief of General Staff Branch, Israeli Defence Forces:
    “We were not threatened with genocide on the eve of the six-day war, and we had never thought of such a possibility.”
    (Ma’ ariv, April 4, 1972)

  • jim

    Menachem Begin, Minister without Portfolio:

    “In June l967, we had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.”

    (New York Times, August 21, 1982)

    Mordechai Bentov, Minister of Housing:

    “The entire story of the danger of extermination was invented in every detail, and exaggerated a posteriori to justify the annexation of new Arab territory.”
    (Al-Hamishmar, April 14, 1971)

    General Mattitiahu Peled, Chief Quartermaster-General’s Branch, Israeli Defence Forces, General Staff:

    “All those stories about the huge danger we were facing because of our small territorial size, an argument expounded once the war was over, had never been considered our calculations prior to the unleashing of hostilities. While we proceeded towards the full mobilization of our forces, no person in his right mind could believe that all this force was necessary to our defence against the Egyptian threat. To pretend that the Egyptian forces concentrated on our borders were capable of threatening Israel’s existence does not only insult the intelligence of any person capable of analyzing this kind of situation, but is primarily an insult to the Israeli army.”
    (Le Monde, June 3, 1972)

  • jim

    If their a “:county” shouldn’t the population of Gaza be accorded equal rights also ?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

  • jim

    Israel has come to rely on an advanced arsenal of missiles, aircraft, helicopter gunships, drones and tanks in its continuing conflict with the entire population of Gaza for the crime of exercising its right to elect a government of its own choosing.(for the record I despise Hamas,but I cant condone collective punishment )

    while Israeli troops are more than willing to kill to maintain the material privileges attached to living in a settler colonial state, one in which their consumer lifestyles are subsidized by the West, they have consistently demonstrated a reluctance to die for those privileges. Evidence of the increased pressure that Israel is under is reflected in the growing desperation of its propaganda in painting the motivation of its growing number of critics and opponents as being founded in anti-Semitism. But where previously such calumniation would have been suffice to silence dissenting voices, now it merely discredits Israel’s supporters and apologists further.

    Throughout history, humanity has been locked in struggle between oppressor and oppressed. It is a struggle that has posed the same question to each succeeding generation: Whose side are you on?

    Israel as an apartheid state has no future. Only as a state which embraces the concept of universal human rights, justice and dignity for all who share the same land can it ensure the peace and security of its people. More than any other this is the abiding lesson of history.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynWjYHP91gA

  • jim

    Poor Gazans indeed !The toxic mix of Israeli racism and exceptionalism has led to the existence of a state that since its formation has viewed its repeated violations of international law and its crimes against humanity entirely justified. So deeply ingrained is the biblical and historical justification for Israel’s continued depredations against the Palestinians that when it comes to international condemnation of its crimes, rather than a cause for reflection and introspection within Israeli society, for many it merely serves to reaffirm Israel’s view of itself as the last bastion of defense of the Jewish people in a hostile world.

    The day-to-day reality of this corrosive outlook involves young Israeli soldiers, mostly conscripts, humiliating, intimidating and brutalizing civilians at checkpoints, or killing Palestinians and Arabs in general in the knowledge they are able to do so with relative impunity.Poor poor Gazans indeed

  • jim

    Most empires and colonial projects fall under the weight of their own contradictions, but usually over a protracted period of resistance, both passive and active, on the part of its victims. At the same time the material privileges gained from the exploitation and expropriation of a colonized people acts as a slow-acting corrosive on the society of the colonizing state, poisoning it with racism and hatred for those it has colonized as it seeks to justify the material privileges and psychological sense of supremacy and national pride that accrues from that colonization. This moral decay is commonly reflected in the degeneration that takes place in the armed forces of the state in question, where the emphasis of the troops shifts from self-sacrifice and heroism in support of a just and galvanizing cause to personal survival as demoralization sets in.

    In other words, the day-to-day reality of perpetuating oppression and injustice overcomes any amount of national propaganda in support of that oppression.

  • jim

    Israel as an apartheid state has no future. Only as a state which embraces the concept of universal human rights, justice and dignity for all who share the same land can it ensure the peace and security of its people. More than any other this is the abiding lesson of history.

  • Anonymous

    You are on the wrong side jim. Israel developed most of its High-Tec weaponry to deal with the problems they face. They could use fuel air explosives that would solve the problem. As to the land that is being fought over that was given back in exchange for peace. Your revisionist history is pitiful. God gave them the land over 2,000 years ago He is demonstrating it but you are blind to the truth.

  • jim

    Truth according to whom you
    God is NOT a real eatate agent !!!
    Israel as an apartheid state has no future. Only as a state which embraces the concept of universal human rights, justice and dignity for all who share the same land can it ensure the peace and security of its people. More than any other this is the abiding lesson of history.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ga0s936ldU

  • Gabriel

    Just going to put this out there. All of what we are witnessing in the Middle East is an agenda to invade Israel. From the Arab spring to the overthrows and the civil war in Syria. ISIS and the terror state the president could’ve prevented but didn’t because he’s helping the Muslim brother hood and it’s terror networks gain ground and they inch closer and closer to Israel.

    Morsi had a plan in place when he gained power for a small period of time and Obama praised him and funded Morsi. He gave Mosri tanks and jets along with stockpiles of small weaponry.

    Morsi used those tunnels to smuggle into Gaza weapons and rockets with the intent to use against Israel.

    So what this whole thing is about is the future invasion of Israel by allowing these terror networks and jihadi groups to overthrow and inch their way towards Israel.

    Jordan is a target now and Jordan stands in the way of ISIS and Israel.

  • Gabriel

    The UN WTF is a platform and an arm for the MBH to operate through.

  • Gabriel

    When these Muslim armies invade Israel they will be destroyed I promise you.

  • jim

    Young israelis and soildiers refuse to serve the occupation. They say that they dont want to take part in warcrimes and they are willing to go to jail for it.
    Israel as an apartheid state has no future. Only as a state which embraces the concept of universal human rights, justice and dignity for all who share the same land can it ensure the peace and security of its people.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ga0s936ldU

  • jim

    ?

  • jim

    Lol -Which army’s would those be ?

    Most if not all the Arab states have dictators at the helm,installed ,supported and armed by the west !

    The arms are not for attacking Israel but for use against there own populations !

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Twv9TfjWA

  • Gabriel
  • Anonymous

    Jim, all free nations have their liberals and like you they bare false witness. They are just like Kerry during Vietnam. They
    are in the minority and reflect the corruption of their culture they are poor witness and betray their brothers in arms. Truth is absolute, provable and verifiable. If you were more observant you would know God is about to sort it out.

  • jim

    Hogwash and zealotory-This toxic mix of racism and exceptionalism has led to the existence of a state that since its formation has viewed its repeated violations of international law and its crimes against humanity entirely justified. So deeply ingrained is the biblical and historical justification for Israel’s continued depredations against the Palestinians that when it comes to international condemnation of its crimes, rather than a cause for reflection and introspection within Israeli society, for many it merely serves to reaffirm Israel’s view of itself as the last bastion of defense of the Jewish people in a hostile world.

    The day-to-day reality of this corrosive outlook involves young Israeli soldiers, mostly conscripts, humiliating, intimidating and brutalizing civilians at checkpoints, or killing Palestinians and Arabs in general in the knowledge they are able to do so with relative impunity.
    Given the lack of intervention on the part of the international community whenever an Israeli security crackdown occurs, it is evident by now that a tacit acceptance has taken root to the effect that massacring Palestinians has been elevated to the level of bloodsport within Israeli society.To be an enabler to it is immorral

  • Jon Bar

    To me it is very simple. It has been an ongoing family feud between brothers. Ismael and Isaac. Ismael side is still pissed at Isaacs side of the family for being thrown out into the desert. Sarah Abrahams’ wife couldn’t wait to have a child of her own so she gave Abraham her maid to have one for her. The two women began to be jealous of each other and who was the main wife and who’s child was the heir of Abraham. They both claim Abraham as father. And so it’s been. Totally crazy! It’s in both the bible and the Quran. Study this truth! Don’t pick sides according to petty lies! The land belonged to Abrahams people originally. Israel! Given to them by God. The problem is they both have a different God. One is a God of love the other is a God of hate. Study the scriptures to figure it out! Most people don’t know this. It is really a petty Hatfields and McCoy type feud. It has gotten totally out of control. Sibling fights can be really stupid. Yes, I know I’m insane, so thank you for the compliment. But this is a historical fact.

  • bananaman

    You don’t have to be insane, but I’d say horribly misguided.

    NOTHING God allegedly said can be touted as “historical fact”. Look up the dictionary defenition of ‘Faith’ and ponder it.

    All Religious texts can and have been interpreted with vast differences. It’s a personal journey of betterment, not some lame excuse to brutalise others.

  • bananaman

    Gaza is essentially a refugee camp. And most of the innocents that are being slaughtered are being so by the worlds most advanced killing systems – from land, air and sea that used to be theirs. How’s that for despicable irony ?

    Why are Palestinian territories now so small ? Try looking at how much land has been taken beyond the original mandate.
    And if you think the British have any right to give away another peoples territory then you have moral deficiences.

    So what about this 1776 thing that Mr Beck utilises for personal gain – do you remember who the US fought for it against and why ?
    So how dare you deny another people the same right to fight for their independence from their oppressors.

    As a side note I’d like to know how the US system can be justified since it now emulates the debt / slavery system the US fought against to attain independence ?

  • bananaman

    I’m not sure you can talk about God outwith a religious context, since he is the very defenition of religious context ! And is “quoting scripture” anything different from referring someone to it ? Technically you did get me though ;-)

    I have subsequently glossed over a few insights into Daniel 8, some of my observations :
    The Ram and Goat story is considered one of the hardest visions to interpret amongst even the most highly respected scholars, including it is said Daniel himself, who was regarded as an interpreter of “divine” ability. And it was apparently a vague vision. Yet you have it all sussed ?
    My interpretation of the highlights I’ve seen are that it’s all very generic as per, and are a series of stories and fables to issue moral guidance, including warnings and threats. Not a document describing actual events of the future. There’s nothing specific to suggest it was. Irrespective of who you believe wrote the various aspects of the bible – the oldest written texts I believe date to 100-200BC, whereas Alexander died more than 100 years earlier suggesting it a ‘report’ rather than a ‘prediction’. He’d also already been depicted by the Egyptians as appearing with ‘ram horns’ (of Amun). And that’s of course having made the assumption that it’s got anything whatsoever to do with him in the first place.

    Generally, the bible seems to have been written by many people, even many groups of people. Possibly over a period of as long as 1600 years – with much passed on by word of mouth. Conduct a ‘chinese whispers’ experiment with any group of people, with a short simple plot – by the third or fourth re-telling the story will already be wildly altered. So for something as complex as the bible (where every scholar hangs on the meaning of every word), don’t you think it’s a stretch to believe that after hundreds of generations of chinese whispers anything in it can be argued as literal fact ? There also seems to be much controversy as to whether the credited ‘writers’ actually were that. I expect you’ve heard the word “pseudepigrapha” before ? (I hadn’t before today !) It literally means “writing that is inscribed with a lie.” If I’m right and you’ve heard this being used instead of language that people understand – I’d be interested to know if you knew it’s literal meaning ?
    And of course the bible has been in a state of constant flux. edited, re-edited, bits cut out, manipulated for political reasons etc. Bible followers & scholars within themselves have hundreds of variants within several different religious ‘types’ going on.

    It may turn out to be the word of God, I can offer no proof it isn’t. But applying generic fables into the context of the facts of the here and now need to be illustrative only. Humans are animals and throughout our history have been as intolerant to competition as nature is. Might is right, and for some, religion serves only as a justification of their right to some kind of might.

    There are many Israeli’s and Jews within Israel itself who are vehemently against the policies of their government and growing all the time – none more so than the most orthodox. They understand that the bible’s message is not about one people being supreme above another. And neither is the Korans.
    Anyone who does take that attitude crosses my extremism ‘red line’.

    To find out why what’s happening today is.. one only has to go back a hundred years or so. It’s all written down and predicted alright, but by the institutions and people responsible, as well as their associates and collegues. So as it’s all been foretold from the ‘horses mouth’, I see no reason to seek alternative, less faith-based explanations.
    I propose we need to get rid of amongst other things : UN ; EU ; Private banking system ; RIIA ; CFR ; FED ; Sponsored politics ; Political parties ; Military Ind Com. ; Club of Rome ; Bilderbergs ; Tri Laterlal Commision ; Project for New American Century ; Secret Societies ; The current Entertainment Industry ; Current Media ; PACS…..
    These and others connected I expect are more likely to be the reasons for the worlds chaos. They didn’t just do the planning, they told us they were going to do it.

    I’ll shut up now, but will maintain a position that I am as entitled as you to interpret something in the bible, my views are not direspectful to it and it’s not my intention to disrespect you.
    The relative little attention paid by me to the good book when I was young may have done me more good than your going through it with a fine toothed comb looking for specific answers on what’s relevant today. The fundemental lessons are what it was all about, and parallels could be drawn with many situations, in many time periods.

    Peaceful god fearing people should respect their peers from any other faith. Take extremism down internally, with mutual respect and co-operation.
    If the battle lines keep getting drawn at the current rate, and the escalating hate continues – I fear none of us will be ulltimately saved.
    I don’t remember Christianity having anything to do with hating.

  • Anonymous

    Jock protecting Jim again, God is not religious, man is. Religion is the method of worship mankind tries to reach
    Him to Honor Him. What I have shown you is an observation not an interpretation but you have not checked it out. Pride can blind you from the truth.

  • RubbLe1

    Hamas means “violence” in arabic. (gotta add the phlegm to the “h”) They are that bold face about their purpose.

  • Anonymous

    Jock, you still bear false witness with half-truths and have not cheeked out the fixed points in Daniel 8?