These Obamacare codes and regulations are absolutely insane

Ever walk into a lamp? Get hit by a spacecraft? Well, you’re in luck because there’s a code for that! Thanks to Obamacare, pretty much anything possibly harmful to your health has a special code. Why would they go through the trouble to mark each and every incident?

According to a 2011 Wall Street Journal article, the number of codes used by hospitals to classify patient illnesses and injuries 18,000 to 140,000. It includes several bizarre new codes for things like injuries sustained in a chicken coop, poor personal hygiene, and walking into a lamppost.

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“This is the data mining. Because then they will have all the details. It’s not just walking into an object. This is their thinking. We need to know how many people walk into a lamppost, because we can design the cities better, so we don’t have lamp posts that are positioned there, so we can see what towns are people starting to walk into the lampposts. That’s their thinking. Take away incompetence and take away some sort of crazy bureaucracy — they are looking for information,” Glenn said.

“When they have enough data on the lamp pasts, they will then say you have to have warning signs on the lamp posts, or you have to remove the lampposts and replace them with this kind. that’s all this is. This is all about bureaucracy. For all of this information, how many people will it take to sift through this information, how many special interest groups, how many special businesses will take this government information and then say I’m in the lamppost business and I’m reading all this stuff. I can make a case that the government needs to mandate a new lamppost thing that will actually help our company. Let’s get that done. That’s what will happen.”

“This isn’t just putting numbers out for no reason. They are data gathering on us.”

  • Connor Kenway

    Is there a code in Obamacare where doctors shoot themselves because their are to many codes in Obamacare? So you liberals still proud of this mess?

    • BlueMN

      MDs don’t really have anything to do with that, someone else does using this crazy new invention called a “commpooter.”
      Hey Con, I’d prefer single-payer, but it’s baby steps with you guys so here we are.

      “Percentage of Uninsured Americans Now Lowest on Record”

      • Sheila Wellman

        And if you look at that ‘chart’ you can see Medicaid accounts for that increase, plus I’m sure more also, is the fact that prisoners in jail now have been put on it. Look deep, not surface. Of course, if you want single payer, that confirms you are sick and need medical coverage pronto!!

        • Anonymous

          And of the privately insured, the regs say that they’re “deemed” to be covered, even if they haven’t actually paid their premium…

        • BlueMN

          Medicaid 8.4%, employer 43.5%. Did you actually try looking with your eyes?

        • Anonymous

          The chart does not indicate the number of persons who were happy with their previous coverage and were forced off their preferred policy.

        • Anonymous

          .a.. and a new report states that over 5 million applicants received a subsidy which has been determined by the DC District court a “direct conflict” to the Obamacare Law wording.

      • gingerdog

        Go to Canada if you want govt. healthcare (VA, demarxist?). I lived there for several years, and, not only do people die waiting for treatment, they die waiting for DIAGNOSIS. Why do you think that 30K Canadians come to the U.S. for medical care, fool? You are a typical utopian demarxist: no idea what you’re talking about, but the rest of us have to suffer for your stupidity.

        • Sheila Wellman

          And as I understand it, England is presently looking to revamp their healthcare system and get away from the single payer. That in turn I’m sure will roll over to Canada.

        • BlueMN

          “Canadians strongly support the health system’s public rather than for-profit private basis, and a 2009 poll by Nanos Research found 86.2% of Canadians surveyed supported or strongly supported ‘public solutions to make our public health care stronger.’ A Strategic Counsel survey found 91% of Canadians prefer their healthcare system instead of a U.S. style system. Plus 70% of Canadians rated their system as working either ‘well’ or ‘very well’

          It’s pretty consistent, poll after poll.

          I used to work in a large hospital in ND, while the shopping mall had many Canadian cars in it, I have never seen the Canadian hordes flocking to US healthcare that you claim.

          • RueTheDay

            Because we have grab-me-sump’n-fer-nuttin’ Useful Utopian Idiots here, too. It works wonderfully well — until you desperately have to access it quickly, that is. Been there, done that, and so have most of my friends and family. Brain cancer? Knee surgery? Need an MRI? Get in line, baby, because here in Canada we have the system that gives us all the right to suffer equally. And the “free” care doesn’t come from a money tree; it’s called TAXES. And after paying for “free” health care with our TAXES, most of us can’t afford the luxury of expensive trips to the U.S. to get properly looked after … and so we wait … and sometimes die waiting. You want to know what it’s going to be like? Check out your VA for a free preview.

          • Anonymous

            My brother, after paying taxes for 40 years, waited 2 years for hip surgery. He had to quit working because of the delay – just retired early but still hated to not be working, not to mention living in pain all that time. My sister’s daughter is a nurse in Ottawa and is so stressed by the overload and by stupid people going to emerg for things they should be able to deal with themselves at home. The more you tell people it’s “free” the more they want and eventually demand!

          • BlueMN

            It’s not free, it’s paid for with taxes.

          • BlueMN

            US version: Brain cancer? Knee surgery? Need an MRI? No insurance? Have a pre-existing condition? Insurance company screwing you over? Get out of line, baby, because here in Amurica we have the system that gives us all the right to suffer unequally. And the care doesn’t just come from taxes; it’s called YOUR POCKET. And after paying for insurance out of your wages, and the deductibles, health care in CANADA is still CHEAPER and better than the US, many of us can’t afford the luxury of expensive trips to ANY hospital to get properly looked after … and so we do nothing … and sometimes die doing nothing. You want to know what it’s going to be like? Lose your job in the US of A.

          • RueTheDay

            Read my response to DaveFly, above. And then talk to me in about 10 years when your premiums and/or taxes skyrocket and you have to wait 2 or 3 weeks to see your family G.P. — if you’re lucky enough to find a family G.P. because of doc shortages — for the 5 or 6 minutes you get to spend with him/her (ONLY ONE HEALTH CONCERN PER VISIT!!! all the signs in the clinics here read — and don’t think you can book more than one appt. at a time, either!) before you get pushed out the door. And, also, you get to learn the cruel, hard way what the horrid term “hallway medicine” means. Maybe less than 10 years. If you’re actually a taxpayer, you’ll be enjoying your wonderful Obamaocare about as much as your border states (and now other ones, as well) are enjoying your new MS13 migrants (another great accomplishment brought to you by the twice-elected Screw-Up). I promise not to say “I told you so,” because you’ll have been punished enough. Universal, single-payer health care is what you’re longing for? Good luck, BlueMN, I think you’ll need lots of it.

          • BlueMN

            “if you’re lucky enough to find a family G.P. because of doc shortages”

            The US has 2.4 physicians per 1,000 people the average OECD (Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development) country, of which Canada is usually ranked better than, has 3.1.

          • RueTheDay

            Firstly, Google what the leanings are of the OECD — they’re about as left-leaning as it gets and their stats are highly suspect and are usually refuted. But let’s give them the benefit of the doubt on this one and assume (for the sake of argument only) that their stats on #’s of physicians are correct. These figures tell us nothing. 2.9 of these physicians can all be located in Vancouver. 2.4 of them could be dermatologists, or oncologists, or orthopedic surgeons. Stats can say lots or they can say little, even reputable ones (and the OECD, to any non-socialist, is hardly reputable). What I can tell you from my own and my Canadian friends’ experiences, is that we have shortages and have for a long time now. (Hordes of them fled to the States when our poop hit the fan here and the bureaucracy and inability to work without government interference became too much. Hmmm, maybe some will come back now …? Hard to unscramble an egg, though.)

          • BlueMN

            The OECD is an organization of 61 countries “to stimulate economic progress and world trade.” Hardly the band of Bolsheviks you claim them to be. I guess right-wing bloggers don’t like facts.
            Thanks again for your anecdotal “experiences” though.

          • RueTheDay

            Next you’ll be quoting me UN Human Rights Council admonitions, another reputable ((snort)) source. In other words, these organizations are a dime a corrupt dozen. And yes, I do speak from very real “experiences.” Sorry I won’t tailor them to fit the Utopian hype like the Bungler-in-Chief keeps doing in the short gaps between his chooming and partying, but I’ve lived my experiences, whereas he’s actually admitted scamming you about what to expect. And that’s an unwelcome fact that neither you nor I can deny. (But there I go, banging my head against the wall again.) Have a healthy life, BlueMN. And I mean that sincerely.

          • RueTheDay

            I have a close friend in hospital right now waiting for extremely serious, EMERGENCY back surgery which may cause paralysis if not treated expeditiously. She’s been waiting 4 weeks now, since she collapsed at work and had to be taken away by ambulance because her legs stopped working. Four weeks later, now, it’s, “Maybe next week, so sorry, not enough operating rooms available.” (And for the first week, they wouldn’t even keep her in the hospital; sent her home to fend for herself with no working legs.) BlueMN, I hate to break it to you, but you don’t know what you’re talking about.

          • DaveFly

            Exactly correct CanadianGal. NOTHING is free, but you can’t tell that to those who aren’t paying taxes.

          • Jessica C

            I don’t know what Canadians think one way or the other, but are you really going to try to use Wikipedia as your “proof?” That is just too funny. You do know that anyone can go on and write anything they want on there. I can make a page saying that people that use the name BlueMN don’t know how to fact check, and are never reliable sources.

          • BlueMN

            “New poll shows Canadians overwhelmingly support public health care”

            “Meanwhile, the vast majority of Canadians, 91 per cent, felt that Canada’s health care system was better than the United States.”

            “Plus 70% of Canadians rated their system as working either ‘well’ or ‘very well'”

            All the Wikipedia facts cited references, which you could’ve looked at yourself without me making you look foolish in a reply.

          • Anonymous

            Funny……you clip “New poll shows……”

            From 2009……

            LOL…..and then to double down on stupid……..from Wiki……

            So you quote a lefty org who regularly taints its data to fit its agenda and the “write your own leftist propaganda” Wikipedia.

            Why don’t you just tell us to do so cuz Obama says so and be done with it?

        • RueTheDay

          You’re absolutely right. See my response to BlueMN below. Can’t cure denial and wishful thinking, though.

          • Volunteer

            Nor can you cure “stupid”.

          • cr_temp

            There is a code for that.

        • DaveFly

          Classic nonsense from BlueMN. I hear people claim they would prefer single payer – and of course, they seriously have no idea what it actually means. But it makes them sound knowledgeable when they toss around progressive talking points. I’ve been fortunate to have worked in a very large multinational corporation. I’ve had numerous co-workers and managers from Canada and the UK, as well as other countries in Europe. Because our company offers its employees a reasonably priced, quality private health care plan, they’ve ditched the nationalized service. They will also tell you the horror stories of those who had to wait for months and even years for various services. One of the managers in the UK shared a story about going to see his wife in the hospital and got off the elevator on the wrong floor (national health care) and how filthy it was, and how understaffed it was. He then gets back on the elevator, and goes to the floor for private insurance, where it is actually sanitary, and properly staffed. Those of you who are from Canada or the UK – please speak up and educate the fools like BlueMN.

          • BlueMN

            While I enjoyed reading your anecdotes, here’s an actual fact to add to your progressive talking points: Americans spend $8,233/yr on healthcare, Canadians $4,446/yr
            meanwhile, Canadians can expect to live longer and have a lower infant mortality rate.

          • DaveFly

            Speaking of anecdotes…since the implementation of Obamacare, health insurance costs have increased, not deceased. And while Americans may pay more than Canadians, we also get better care. Remember the N1H1 flu virus? Some of my Canadian co-workers had to take a vacation day to wait in line to get their kids vaccinated. Do Canadians really live longer? And if so, what does that have to do with the health care system? BTW – infant mortality rates are calculated differently from country to country. I’ve read that sort of BS before about how some 3rd world countries are suppose to have a lower infant mortality rate than the US – only to find out those 3rd world nations exclude many types of infant deaths from their mortality rate. It’s kind of like lowering the unemployment rate by not counting certain people who stop looking for jobs. I sincerely doubt Canada actually has a lower infant mortality rate than the US.

          • RueTheDay

            You’re right on, DaveFly. And I vehemently disagree that Americans pay more than Canadians do. With the amounts I have to pay out-of-pocket for the numerous health expenses not covered by govt care PLUS the percentage of my taxes that I get dinged that go towards the govt-run mediocre care available to me (no choice! no competition! doctor shortages! cruel waiting lists!), if I had that money back I could pay for some mighty fine Cadillac-style coverage in the U.S. — or could have, pre-Obamao care, at least.

          • BlueMN

            While the cost is still going up (thanks, capitalism) the rate of increase has slowed significantly under ACA.

            “Do Canadians really live longer? And if so, what does that have to do with the health care system?” Yes and you have got to be kidding me.

            “BTW – infant mortality rates are calculated differently from country to country.” Show us.

            Due to lack of insurance, many expectant US mothers do not seek prenatal care and only show up in the ED in labor.

          • DaveFly

            Gonna go down swinging BMN? Fine with me. You said, “Americans spend $8,233/yr on healthcare, Canadians $4,446/yr” Talk about a lack of context. Canadian health care is far more heavily subsidized with tax payer dollars. Further, you provide nothing showing us what those dollars are spent on. Is it health care premiums, plus deductible, plus the out of pocket? Are these costs covering the same sort of care? So…let’s see your source. And don’t give us some link to Wikipedia. Let’s see the raw data and some calculations behind it. Then you continue on…”Canadians can expect to live longer” Prove it. Let’s see the data – particularly in the older age brackets where health care actually becomes a factor. The reality is that Americans don’t have a healthy lifestyle, particularly where it comes to diet. The health care system does not cure obesity. “…and have a lower infant mortality rate.” You started this…so you prove it. So you show us how Canada calculates infant mortality rate, and how the American rate is calculated. You acknowledge that insurance costs increased under Obamacare and then blame capitalism. Foolery. It’s called crony capitalism, also known as fascism. Who cares that the rate of increase is slowing down? A nonsense point to even bring up. Costs have increased under the ACHA, but Obama promised that health care costs would go down on average by $2500. This was a bald faced lie. And he absolutely knew ahead of time that the costs wouldn’t go down. He knew that people wouldn’t be able to keep their doctors. But he flat out lied to the American public. And because of the ACHA, there are heavy taxes on medical devices. Now there is a disincentive on R&D and creating the kinds of technological advancements in medicine from which everyone benefits. As a result of the ACHA, as we have seen throughout the world where medicine is socialized inequities in supply and demand, leading to various types of shortages. Over the years, we can expect to see a shortage in the number of health care workers, medications, longer waiting times for treatment. Thanks socialism! Thanks Obama! The government has no business being in the business of financing health care. Government is inept. Private industry can do virtually anything better and cheaper than the gov’t. The only way to fix this is problem is to repeal the ACHA and go back to the free market system.

          • RueTheDay

            Very well said! (And even after all that out-and-out, in-your-face, almost pathological lying, these people STILL have faith it can’t be wrong. Simply astounding.)

          • DaveFly

            Every American should be listening to you, CanadianGal. My maternal grandparents were from Montreal, and I remember them complaining how it took nearly 2 years for my grandmother to get her hip replacement. It continues to amaze me, how often people from other countries warn Americans of the evils of an over-reaching government, yet many of us fail to listen.

          • BlueMN

            “Canadian health care is far more heavily subsidized with tax payer dollars” Both figures include taxes. A good source for these numbers and more is from the OECD That is if you’re really interested in educating yourself.

            You did give me some entertainment though:

            “You started this…so you prove it. So you show us how Canada calculates infant mortality rate, and how the American rate is calculated.” You couldn’t do it, couldya DF? //sad trombone

            “It’s called crony capitalism, also known as fascism.” Oh the irony of this coming from a Teabagger! LOL

            “Private industry can do virtually anything better and cheaper than the gov’t.” How many flags on the moon has private industry planted for us?

          • DaveFly

            “TeaBagger? DF?” Resorting to the classic Alinsky tactic of name calling when losing the argument. Typical of a Dumbascrap…oops, I meant Democrat – such as yourself. See, I can insult and ridicule you just as easily.

            Yea – so you have provided a link to 200+ page document from the OECD – good for you! Here is the bottom line…you actually believe that healthcare in the United States will improve under the ACHA. That’s what this whole debate is really about. You believe that the US healthcare system will actually improve and become more efficient with government intervention. You believe the Canadian healthcare system is superior to that of the United States – and to make your point, your mention longer Canadian lifespans and lower infant mortality as being proof. You must be a complete imbecile to actually believe that lifespan and infant mortality are the criteria for determining the quality of a healthcare system.

            You see, I already knew Canadians lived longer, as do many people from other countries. Does this mean these countries have better health care? Of course not. People live longer in Spain, Italy, France, UK than people in the US, but where would you rather have your healthcare administered? Here is a clue…an Australian and an American are suffering from a heart attack, each are rushed to the ER’s in their countries and need open heart surgery. In Australia, you’ll get a general surgeon – not a specialist. In the US you will get a cardiovascular surgeon – someone that has been specifically trained to perform open heart surgery. Australia is a great place, but I’d rather have a specialist doing the surgery. Or how about a British citizen and an American with prostate cancer. By the time British doctors in the National Healthcare System discover you have the cancer, you’re already on death row. In the US, doctors are much better at early detection, and the survival rate is much higher. You see, this is how intelligent people go about determining which health care system is better. Morons like yourself keep parroting the irrelevant talking points regarding infant mortality and longevity.

            However, if you still want to learn more about longevity, then follow your own advice and read Chapter 2 in the OECD: Non-Medical Determinants of Health. You see, diet, exercise, alcohol use, tobacco use, genetics surprisingly do make a difference in longevity. If I could change anything in the United States, it would be our diet…and then, I believe Americans would be living as long as the Swiss and the Japanese – and we wouldn’t have to change anything in the healthcare system to accomplish that objective.

            Remember the point I made about how some countries calculate infant mortality differently – here is a quote from the document link you provided. “Some of the international variation in infant and neonatal mortality rates is due to variations among countries in registering practices for premature infants. The United States and Canada are two countries which register a much higher proportion of babies weighing less than 500 g, with low odds of survival, resulting in higher reported infant mortality (Joseph et al., 2012). In Europe, several countries apply a minimum gestational age of 22 weeks (or a birth weight threshold of 500g) for babies to be registered as live births (Euro-Peristat, 2013).” Do you actually read the information you provide? Bottom line…infant mortality calculations ain’t apples to apples tootsie! And until we see raw data, NO ONE can do the calculations you incredible idiot. BTW – the math to calculate this is basic arithmetic – I’m guessing even you could do it. Based on the results provided, I suppose Canada’s infant mortality is lower. I doubted it, but it appears I was wrong. So…Ill give you that one. Yea – a point for you BlueMN.

            “Oh the irony of this coming from a Teabagger! LOL!” Explain the irony moron. Do you even know what irony even means? Or are you one of those dumbasses that actually believes the garbage about fascism being some kind of far right ideology, and so extremely different than socialism? The biggest irony in all of this is how Obozocare – a government instituted policy shoved down the throats of Americans – was supposed to decrease healthcare costs, but actually increased them. You see, when the opposite result occurs of what was supposed to happen…that’s irony. The dumbest comment ever made was when you blamed capitalism for increased healthcare cost caused directly by government intervention.

            Let’s chat about costs, shall we. We have more medical specialists in the US than in other countries, and more extensive medical procedures than in other countries – and that adds to the cost of our healthcare. Yes, we pay more, but we get more. And, I’m sure you are aware that prescription medication makes up the greatest portion of our health care costs in the US. Guess what people living in San Diego do? They see doctors in the US, but buy their meds in Mexico, because that same medication is much cheaper in Mexico. In fact, prescription medication is more expensive in the US than most countries. Americans have deeper pockets, so we pay more. We end up funding a lot of the R&D, and in essence, cross subsidizing prescription medication actually making it cheaper for the citizens of other countries. And per your document, the ratio of private dollars to tax dollars is highest in the US. We use much more of our private dollars on health care than any other country. And what happens when we insert the government, i.e. Obozocare…our costs go even higher. It will be great to see that ratio of private vs. public funding when the OECD is updated with 2015, 2016 data and beyond.

            “How many flags on the moon has private industry planted for us?” Interesting question. Let’s see, NASA wouldn’t even exist without tax dollars, the vast majority of which comes from the private sector. Much of the technology to do the moon landing came from work conducted in the private sector. So…I could make an argument that the private sector is responsible for 100% of those flags, but it is actually a shared accomplishment. Regardless, your example is silly since the private sector doesn’t do the same thing as NASA. So let’s talk apples to apples, shall we. How about comparing public education to private education? Private education is superior. Or how about postal delivery. Compare the USPS to UPS or to FedEx – UPS and FedEx kick the USPS’s butt. Or how about comparing a private hospital to say Planned Parenthood or the VA – there is no contest – private healthcare wins hands down. Honestly, do you really even think these things through before typing? Our healthcare system in the US is not perfect, but only a left-wing fool could actually believe that inserting the government between doctor and patient will make that relationship better and/or cheaper. Think about the issues with the VA – that’s exactly the direction Obozocare is taking us.

            BlueMN – you and every other dumbass progressive fool are the ilk holding this country back.

          • RueTheDay

            I’m an average Canadian, lived here all my (relatively long) life. I don’t know what progressive think tank you get your so-called facts from, but that’s BS. And I’ve got the receipts to prove it. But then, what do I know? I’m only a life-long Canadian, while you, of course, once worked in a hospital and have counted cars in a shopping centre.

          • BlueMN

            OECD (dot) org I have been a life-long American and still work in healthcare for over 15 years now.

          • RueTheDay

            How does one educate progressive Utopian fools? After all, BlueMN once worked in a hospital in ND and counted cars at a shopping centre, you know — so, what more can one say against that caliber of expertise? God help us.

          • DaveFly

            Yes – he said he did not see a lot cars from Canada at the hospital where he worked. North Dakota is a state of about 700,000 people (2012) – not exactly a heavily populated area. How many Canadians could possibly live close enough to the border? In Bellingham, WA, close to where I live, and very close to the BC border, we see a lot of Canadian license plates.

          • RueTheDay

            I’m a hop, skip and jump from Grand Forks and Fargo where people from here often run to shop. But most of the people I know who went to the States for medical attention didn’t go to N.D., they would go to the Mayo at Rochester, Minn., or other places. (Wow, you’re surrounded by progressives. I have relatives in BC and they’re real lost causes. But we live in hope ….)

          • RueTheDay

            Okay, I’m still trying the education bit per my further numerous replies to him. Not holding out any hope, though. Although maybe someone else will read and hear. I still can’t understand why I keep trying to talk sense to progressives — maybe I’m just seriously masochistic. I’d see a shrink about it, but the waiting lists here are too damn long.

          • DaveFly

            Either Lenin or Stalin coined the term “useful idiot” for those naïve enough to believe in and promote the ideology. Regardless…it fits BlueMN.

      • Anonymous

        Consider the source you purport. You want Single Payer (SP)- well lets take a look at that shall we… in simplistic terms…

        take a look at a Monopoly[no choices, set any price or level of service – you’re stuck with it; like it or not] versus Market driven pricing/operations [have choices, prices based on competition and product benefits, if you don’t like it you can go elsewhere]

        So what happens to a Monopoly in the marketplace – SEC says it must be broken up into smaller parts which drives competition again and prices are driven downward.

        Will Single Payer be broken up and by whom? Will the SEC tell another agency, acting as a monopoly, that you need to break up? I think not because its the Government and they are one big happy family working for its own self preservation and benefit….and affects both parties!

        Monopoly = Collectivism = Price/Product set by Entity = No Choices or Portability.

        Market = Individualism = Prices set by Market Competition = Choices with Portability

        Which would you choose?

        • BlueMN

          Hospitals are privately owned and operated under single-payer. You would actually have more choice of hospitals because there is no such thing as “out-of-network.” Your Monopoly game theory is more of a capitalist game and doesn’t enter into it.

          • RueTheDay

            The bricks-and-mortar may be privately owned and board-operated, but all hospitals are governed by the Canada Health Act and the provincial health care acts, and these governing bodies rule the roost … by law. Very, very occasionally, for certain “elective” surgeries, you get a bit of a choice, but for the most part — speaking for my province, at least — you go where you get sent. And if the government decides you don’t need what you believe you need, well, tough luck, because it’s against the law in Canada for private clinics/hospitals/whatever to provide health care services the Canada Health Act and provincial health care acts prohibit. For example, a while back I needed a knee replacement. I was 52. I wasn’t allowed to have one because I was “too young, and you’d outlive the knee and it would just have to be done again when it wore out.” And that’s unnecessary expense to the system, you know. So I hobbled to work on crutches on and off till I got “old enough,” then sat on a waiting list for about 8 months to see a knee surgeon, then sat on a waiting list for over 2 years for the surgery. That’s a long time to be in often excruciating pain, not to mention the frustration of knowing I couldn’t get it done privately because some fascist-minded government bureaucrats somewhere decided it should be against the law, even if it didn’t cost them a dime. Imagine a government in a supposedly free society telling you to suffer because it’s against the law to have your knee replaced??? But they’re in almost total control and you’re SOL.

          • BlueMN

            So you can imagine how long you’d have to wait here if you had no health insurance.

          • RueTheDay

            I don’t know why I can’t seem to convey my meaning to you: any working, middle class person who couldn’t afford health insurance before the ACA is certainly not going to be able to afford your coming premiums and/or tax increases that will absolutely result from your ACA. As I stated before, the funding for this stuff doesn’t grow on a money tree, and we’re back to the old socialist dilemma: there’s only so much money in the pot, and nothing is for free. You’ll pay for it one way or you’ll pay for it another way, but pay, you will. And with the govt in charge and making decisions, the last thing it will be is efficient (but you’ve all got a taste of that already with the roll-out, haven’t you?) . Look, BlueMN, I’m old enough to remember when Medicare was first instituted in Canada. For the first while, it was wonderful, just wonderful. Lots of docs, no waiting lists, good (clean) hospitals, and you actually got to speak to your G.P. for more than a few minutes at a time. IT. CAN’T. LAST. It’s — as conservatives bang their heads against the walls trying to explain to socialists — UNSUSTAINABLE. Follow the logic and the reality instead of the emotionally wishful thinking.

          • BlueMN

            “[A] middle class person who couldn’t afford health insurance before the ACA is certainly not going to be able to afford your coming premiums and/or tax increases that will absolutely result from your ACA.”

            Right back to where I started from here: “Percentage of Uninsured Americans Now Lowest on Record”
            Good luck on finding some actual statistics to prove your points next time though. Good day, eh.

          • RueTheDay

            1. Big deal, uninsured now lowest on record. It’s not just being insured, it’s what the insurance is good for, and at what ultimate cost. Anybody can be insured, but if it’s garbage or becomes cost-prohibitive, what good is it?

            2. Here’s some “almost-stats” on a point I was making about what you profess is our excellent single-payer health care system, the one you’re wishing for. It’s a bit of a dated article, but it happens often enough that it’s not really big news any more. (They don’t mention in this article what happens when you need to use a bedpan.)

            Or I can send you some articles on the guy who died last August after waiting 34 hours in one of our emergency waiting rooms.

            But I can also find you all kinds of stats. What do you want proven? Whatever it is, I can find “stats” for it, any kind you want, any kind I want, stats everywhere in a world awash in stats, stats to cover any situation. You were referring to Wikipedia at one point, so I guess you’d consider those “stats”? Well, give me a few minutes, I’ll fix a Wikipedia page to satisfy your request for stats that prove all my points. But you sound pretty intelligent, and if that’s the case, surely you must know what can be done with stats. So, you go ahead and believe the Cool Guy’s stats and fables. I’ll believe what I see and experience, not what some agenda-driven snake-oil salesman tries to pour into me. To bastardize an old saying: What am I going to believe — the stats or my own lyin’ eyes? Y’know? You sound young and idealistic; I only wish you were right, as well. Eh.

          • Anonymous

            What you really need to do is drill down a bit on that insurance they “have”….they signed up for sure….thinking it was FREE…..then hoping for the subsidies that make it so……then they find that their deductible is more than the premiums and is all out of pocket before their “insurance” pays a dime.

            Fun fun.

          • RueTheDay

            Yeah, wait till that hits the fan. It’s going to be very interesting to watch — brutally expensive inefficiency, coming down the tubes like a giant mudslide.

          • SS238

            I’ve not had health insurance for most of my life, because I didn’t want to pay the premiums. Had brain surgery and a ruptured achilles over the past 40 years. Each time I picked my doctor, negotiated a price, established a payment plan, and paid the bill. No hassle, no wait. You know not of what you speak, Blue.

      • Connor Kenway

        Yeah but no It will just work as well as this. Just look at England and their screwed up health care system.

      • therain

        Destroy our healthcare system for a few more covered people? No, that doesn’t make sense. The Republican plan was much more efficient. BTW, the obamacare numbers are horrible, something like 4% of the previously uninsured are now insured.

      • Denise LaClair

        The doctors still have to know the codes so that their staff can properly bill the insurance companies. If they don’t, the insurance companies can, AND WILL, use every wrong code as a reason to not pay the doctor, and throw the cost of the visit back into the policy holders lap. Believe me, I deal with them every day!

  • me

    Is there a code for people who have developed a mental illness due to dealing with Obamacare

    • Anonymous

      01001100 01001111 01010011 01010100

  • Ann Wlodarczyk

    Surround the lamp post with nerf ball material so people can bounce off when they walk into them and not get hurt. Probem solved. One less code. HA!

  • Anonymous

    ICD-10 long predates Obamacare, and ICD-9 is really showing its age–there are conditions that we can’t code beyond a VERY generic code because we’ve run out of available codes for diseases.

    What’s going to cause the real problems is that, right now, many doctors do a horrifically bad job of documenting their work–they give incomplete and/or inaccurate summaries of what they did. Basically, once their internships are over, a lot of doctors let their documentation lapse.

    ICD-10 is going to force a fix to that problem–but a lot of docs are not going to get paid until they mend their ways.

    In the long run, ICD-10 is going to kill the malpractice strike-suit industry, because the doctors who don’t document will get crushed, and no longer practice. Those stupid malpractice suits we hear about RELY on bad documentation to force a settlement.

    BTW, doctors don’t code–well, they SHOULDN’T code, but some do, and that frequently drives medical coders like me absolutely nuts, because they do it wrong, and I have to spend MORE time fixing their mistakes than I’d spend coding it from scratch. ICD-10, I hope, will break them of this habit.

    • DonkeyHoatie

      So if I’m reading this right, you’re hoping to weed out doctors who aren’t good at filling in forms, even if they are the best medical experts in the world? Because by your statement, precise codes on an insurance form is more important than doctors who are better at medicine than they are on insurance forms. By all means, let’s force docs to spend 3 hours looking up the precise code instead of seeing more patients, lest they lose their jobs and see no patients.

      • Anonymous

        Doctors that do not document their work are NOT good doctors. Medicine is not something you want practiced in a seat-of-the-pants manner.

        Documentation is NOT the same as filling in the insurance form–that’s MY job, not the doctor’s. Documentation is writing a complete and accurate summary of the visit–why the patient is there and what the doctor did to treat him. They do this as interns–and frequently quit doing this as soon as they officially lose the training wheels.

        Please reread my comment and note what I said about doctors doing their coding. I prefer that they refrain from doing so–because I have to correct their work, and that’s more work than me simply taking their notes and doing the coding. ICD-10 will, hopefully, break them of this habit, because it’s too much work for them.

        BTW, most of the “new codes” simply take current code combinations that describe the cause of an injury and where it happened, and bundle them into one code.

        • Anonymous

          Ultimately, the physician is responsible for the coding
          You only have a job because they let you code. A job you will likely loose after October 2015 because coded correctly in no way means paid correctly m CMS estimates will set back hospitals and physician s6-18 months in revenue based on European conversions. When that happens there money for extraneous coders. At which point, I doubt you will find ICD 10 to be a necessity. Particularly since ICD 11 AND 12 Are to be implemented by 2020 with less but still considerable resources forced into compliance with the world health orgaNization

          • Anonymous

            “Ultimately, the physician is responsible for the coding.”


            “You only have a job because they let you code.”

            No, I have a job because my coding skills–which I continue to develop–allow the doctor to not have to spend his time worrying about the quality of the coding, and instead focus on treating patients.

            “A job you will likely loose after October 2015 because coded correctly in no way means paid correctly m CMS estimates will set back hospitals and physician s6-18 months in revenue based on European conversions.”

            I am very unlikely to lose my job, because the doctors can’t do it and I can. Maybe you believe that you’re more competent at ICD-10 than your coder is. Lotsa luck, GI.

  • Lois Batchelor

    There are already way too many medical codes. Please no more!

    • Anonymous

      People need to quit finding new illnesses, then. That’s one of the problems with ICD-9.

      • kammel7

        People are not finding new illnesses. They’re having the same accidents and illnesses as always; insurance companies just want to know way more details now. My favorite code: V91.07XA Burn due to water-skis on fire, initial encounter. That’s not a new illness; that’s an age-old illness (a burn) due to odd circumstances. What does it matter whether the burn was from waterskiiing or running out of a burning house? Why do they want to know? The doctor treats the burn the same; there’s a limited amount of treatments available. The visit takes the same amount of time (except for all the time wasted on discovering whether the skis were on fire, so a coder can have a job). Is the insurance company not going to pay for a second encounter on burning water-skis?

        • Anonymous

          OK, that is an artifact of the fact that it used to take four or five separate codes to report that information–what the person was doing when they were injured, and where it happened, PLUS some extra data that wasn’t in the ICD-9 and wasn’t ever standardized. Now it’s all in one code. That’s freaking a lot of old-school coders out.

          Second, the “initial encounter” refers to the doctor’s visit: i.e., the doctor is seeing you to treat this injury the first time. “Subsequent encounter” refers to follow-on visits.

          And yes, they are discovering new illnesses (not INJURIES, I’m talking about diseases and disorders). I know someone who may very well end up getting his weird clotting disorder named after him (basically, if he gets injured in one part of his body, he clots in another location–this can be life-threatening, even minor injuries require a hospital stay to make sure he doesn’t clot a major artery). And they were running out of space for diseases in ICD-9.

          And, yes, insurance companies want the gory details–because they need to know who to sue (if anybody) to recover otherwise avoidable costs. Some companies will refuse to cover injuries that get reported with either of the “We don’t know what happened” and “We have no idea where it happened” codes.

        • Trisha Holmeide

          I believe there are several reasons they want to know exactly how, when, where and why etc., but primarily they want the ambulance chasing attorneys to know who to go after in these multi-litigant law suits that rake in millions for the attorneys and 50 cents per litigant for the supposed victims.

  • DonkeyHoatie

    The data mining will likely be used for much more invasive and costly purposes. If x number of people are walking into lampposts in a certain town, then they’ll mandate changing the locations of the lampposts so they hang off buildings instead of being free-standing. That costs a lot of money and puts a lot of union electricians to work.

  • Rhycter

    Don’t change the lampposts. They are there to teach people to look up from their phones and pay attention to their surroundings. So add more codes for why you did something- I walked into a lamppost, because I am an idiot and do not look where I am going, and the world needs to accommodate my tendency to be distracted while mobile.

    • Anonymous

      Maybe they will incorporate a radar like zone of safety around your mobile device to keep you from running into stuff.

    • ken.

      lamp posts are there to prevent you from walking into traffic and getting hit by a bus!

  • landofaahs

    This is how insane control freaks do things.

  • Joshua Middendorf

    Ok I am a Blaze follower and a big fan of Beck but this a huge mistake. I am a doctor so I know a little about this subject. These codes having nothing to do with Obamacare, but instead the switch to ICD 10 which is an international project. ICD 10 was started in 1983 before Obama ran for senate let alone became president.

    • Anonymous

      IIRC, Obama was still at Occidental College and hadn’t even decided to become a community organizer back then….

    • Luke Rodriguez

      The doctor is right…Beck is way off.

    • Candy

      So this is more like Agenda 21 UN item? That’s just great too. Let’s see if the international community can have more of an influence on our lives. Too bad we didn’t all wake up back then and stop this insanity. Maybe we still can.

    • Benji Flahamiwal

      Oh so its the WORLD ORDER AT WORK

  • Elizabeth

    Things like… injuries in chicken coops let the govt know what sort of folks believe in self sustainability… bet they have codes for canning accidents too.

    • zemla

      Good call! Maybe “I tripped over my illegal rain water barrel” is another…..personally I stay out of the medical system, hey, I sweat a fever and get rid of my bugs in less than half the time of the antibiotic fiends

  • gigi

    KenPrescott, your job is expending as we speak. Years ago every Dr’s office had receptionists doing the coding and one person per office checking the codes and bringing out to be redone the codes not allowed, IE psych code cannot be applied to a general physician. Now, due to underemployed being allowed to take classes on the public dole, your job is a dime a dozen. Now, one coder does 10 to 12 offices, hence useless coders in abundance. Try keeping your so called smugness to yourself, a lower paid employee is knocking on your boss’ s door as we speak.

  • Sarah Crossman Stalcup

    Those codes are already in existence. ICD-9cm. GRANTED, ICD-10 is more specific, but that is for insurance purposes, you may have a plan that pays if you are unconscious because of walking into a lamp post, I may have that in the list of exclusions in my policy. The biggest problem with Obama care is that no one understood insurance in the first place.

    • TheDoctorWhoCuresCancer

      Then that is the problem, isn’t it. Someone has made insurance too complicated for anyone to understand. Insurance needs to be made simpler rather than having the number of codes increased eight fold.

  • Anonymous

    If you really believe the government can do a good job of running health care in a massive bureaucracy then you might want to think about the VA, IRS, or NSA. Which one of those do you want involved with managing your health care or having access to your private information?

    • ken.

      they can’t even run the simple post office, why would anyone believe they could run complicated health care system requiring a decade of specialized education.

  • Teresa Staples-Heilman

    There should be an ICD-10 code for people who support Obama. Code description should read, oxygen deficiency due to head stuck up own ass, resulting in brain damage, and causing irrational behavior and lack of common sense, as well as completely out of touch with reality. :)

  • Hoschi0913

    sounds to me that HHS and NSA rather sooner than later either way become one Department or the already colluded and one does the job of the other, nice totalitarian system in which every single step you take or make is monitored , for the “greater good” and your own “safety” of course

  • kammel7

    ICD-10 has been around since 1983 and has been used in other countries for decades. BUT, what doctors will use here is ICD-10-CM. This from the CDC website:
    “The ICD-10 is copyrighted by the World Health Organization (WHO), which owns and publishes the classification. WHO has authorized the development of an adaptation of ICD-10 for use in the United States for U.S. government purposes.”

    The question is — what government purposes?

  • Anonymous

    What’s the code for I caught a disease from an illegal alien invader? Or Ebola?

    • ken.

      warning, american citizen, let die!

  • Lee Wilson

    hmm I think they are planning the civilian in space. like Virgin Galactic.

  • Lee Wilson

    so tax payers are paying for not just health care but for….Surveys as well…now I feel more like a Lab Rat then a consumer.hmm what is the code for some assaulting another with a cell phone and then the battery exploding on the person that assaulted the person with the cell phone? I bet they don’t have a code for that lol.. OK I am going reality now..have a great one…

  • Lee Wilson

    oh Glen, have you heard of the 100 year Space ship? no joke NASA and DARPA. . have teamed up to build an actual spaceship for deep space travel.

    in 100 years time. no joke Glen Google it.

  • Beanlet

    I thought the reason for all the strange codes had to do with making health care compatible with the World Health Organization and the New World Order. Or maybe it is just to complicate life so much that one would rather die than go to the doctor. Yea, that makes sense, that is probably it.

    • Trisha Holmeide

      Well, you have a point. But, I just know I am very careful what I tell my healthcare providers..don’t even admit to smoking or that I am getting depressed due to chrinic pain, or that I own a hand gun etc. because everything we tell them is directly reported via elextronic medical records to the Fed/gov and the day is coming where all that info will be used against everyone of us. Already is being used to remove children from homes where someone has a drinking problem and there have been domestic violence reports. CPS will make the non-offending parent divorce from the offending parent or she/he may never get their kids back!

  • Anonymous

    When something does not make sense and yet persists, “you are missing the agenda”.

    “Look at the results and you see the goal.” Doctors filling out more and more forms, more government departments, many, many government workers to process these forms. Result: millions of people beholden to that party to keep their jobs, party hacks getting rich; and finally the bankrupting the nation.

  • Anonymous

    EREWAAAHHHHHH!!!!! This makes me want to SCREAM!! Insane isn’t a detrimental enough word. Evil?

  • Anonymous

    They put this much thought into the crazy plan to gather data that will ultimately give the government even more power and control, but they completely failed at creating a website that would allow people to buy the product now required by law. Heck, they even failed at writing the huge bill that describes the product people are now required by law to purchase, making it so ridiculous even the government required to manage it can’t understand it! Can you say ‘M-E-S-S-I-V-E F-A-I-L-U-R-E’?

  • Fred Glidden

    So ? people will have to lie! If the government wants to screw up our lives with data mining and over regulation we will have to screw up their data mining by lying. Instead of saying you walked into a lamp post, say you walked into a tree.

  • scott

    this is what happens when the cereberals are in power. ie woodrow wilson types yes the know it all pinheads

  • Anonymous

    First, ICD9 codes have been in place since 1979. Second, a goal of the ACA is to reduce healthcare costs. Glenn imagines the government wants statistics on the frequency of lamppost injuries to share with town engineers to consider alternative positioning to reduce medical costs. Sounds like intelligence to me.

    • mtbeaches

      these aren’t ICD9 codes. Obamacare is requring the US to change to ICD10 codes, which have been used in the socialist healthcare systems of Europe.

      • Anonymous

        Good for socialist countries that want to understand the nature of adverse health causes and treatments. Coding is medical industry standard practice. Like Beck’s efforts against raising our nations education standards to Common Core level (which is is an effort to make our country’s people competitive with the rest of educated countries) and mocking climate science, objecting to a medical intelligence system is par for his anti-smart course. BTW, there is a code for to walking into stationary objects in ICD9 that includes lampposts.

  • therain

    Aren’t there a bunch of codes for being attacked by a duck? My doctor says it’s ridiculous.

  • David Clough

    Is there a code for people that can predict how much money they will make in the upcoming year, so they know if they have to buy health insurance or be fined. My income the last 2 years would be too much for a healthcare subsidy, but yet not enough where the insurance is affordable and I shouldn’t have a fine if I don’t have health insurance. Unless my income goes down or up. The government is expecting me to tell the future.

  • Bonnie Lynette Swann-Tomlinson

    As a retired health worker, I have noticed the new changes. Data input on a computer for every doctor visit. Profiling questions. Be afraid, be very afraid. The reasons for this are not for our benefit or our freedom.

  • CarlaJD

    Is there a CODE designated for the Stupidity of Low Info Voters turning this Nation into an OBAMANATION ?

  • Phil

    Code 00101: Liberal progressive democrat shot by conservative for public display of excessive stupidity.

  • Dale_G1

    Does it cover the heart attack you may suffer because you’d rather use the money you’re FORCED to spend on Obamacare, on a new/used car you desperately NEED instead?

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