WATCH: TV crew appears to catch Hamas launching rockets next to civilian hotel

A television crew from the Indian news network NDTV released a stunning video on Tuesday that appears to show Hamas launching rockets from a densely populated, urban area in Gaza. This footage comes on the heels of the Israel Defense Forces claim they obtained a Hamas manual detailing the “benefits of human shields” in warfare.

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“The video from the Indian TV network that is showing Hamas making and planting rockets in a residential area – it is shocking to me,” Glenn said on radio this morning. “They’re catching Hamas red-handed.”

As TheBlaze reported, NDTV reporter Sreenivasan Jain explains in the video what he and his crew witnessed over the course of a couple of days. On Monday morning, he watched as a blue tent was erected directly adjacent to his hotel – in a dense urban area. Jain reports he saw three men currying supplies into the tent, and he described the ramifications of a rocket being fired from the site.

“[The tent’s use as a rocket building site] establishes something which Hamas has always been accused of, that they actually use densely populated civilian areas to fire their rockets,” he says. “You’ll see that this is an area [that is] very heavily built up, a lot of residential and hotel buildings all around. If Hamas does fire a rocket from here, it will have immediate consequences for everyone around here.”

The Hamas team proceeded to disassemble the tent and cover the area in question with shrubs. Come Tuesday, Jain reports a rocket was fired from the site.

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“[This] has been the lead story on TheBlaze for over 24 hours,” Glenn said of the video. “What’s amazing to me is CNN just picked it up, and nobody else has picked it up yet. Hello? I wonder why.”

  • Pam Potter

    Quite a situation when folks go after Israel in this conflict by quoting the Geneva Conventions but they do not go after Hamas when clearly they violate the 4th Convention — Proctected civilians must not be used to shield military operations or make an area immune from military operations.

    • jim

      Israel has an obligation and a duty to protect the civilians under its occupation.-Israel argues that it can invoke the right to self-defense under international law as defined in Article 51 of the UN Charter. The International Court of Justice, however, rejected this faulty legal interpretation in its 2004 Advisory Opinion.

      The ICJ explained that an armed attack that would trigger Article 51 must be attributable to a sovereign state, but the armed attacks by Palestinians emerge from within Israel’s jurisdictional control. Israel does have the right to defend itself against rocket attacks, but it must do so in accordance with occupation law and not other laws of war. Occupation law ensures greater protection for the civilian population. The other laws of war balance military advantage and civilian suffering. The statement that “no country would tolerate rocket fire from a neighboring country” is therefore both a diversion and baseless.

      • Rollingsworth_T_Vestibule

        That’s as silly as not being able to defend against a knife wielding maniac because the attacker is “clearly insane” and it’s against the Law to fire upon insane people. As I said earlier, Israel should go at this Full Force and quit listening to the useful idiots who are clearly with the Hamassholes in their attempt to inflict harm on innocent israelies citizens. What’s good for the Goose is certainly Good for the Gander! House to House and root them out. That’s what I would do if I were in charge. I would totally dismantle the Hamassholes offence AND defense within and all around Israel. I am NOT Jewish nor am I an Israeli. Is I were younger I would go to israel and join them in their fight to protect themselves. Freedom is Never Free! Everyone knows that.

        • jim

          Lol-Israel is an illegitimate creation, born of the unholy union between racism and colonialism-Its an immoral apartheid State that practices collective punishment on a captive civilian population and destined for the war crimes dockets !
          By the sound of it- you will fit in just fine with the IDF

          Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times
          The ruling declared that the ‘human shield’ procedure employed by the IDF when detaining Palestinian suspects is illegal and violates international law.

          http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/israeli-high-court-israeli-soldiers-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html
          http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html

          • Rollingsworth_T_Vestibule

            I do not believe your ‘facts” are in order. I appreciate that you believe I would “fit in’ just fine there. That was my desire and aparently I have cemented that thought at least. Tell me what other Country, in your estimation does NOT fit in to your assumption that they too are not an “illegitimate creation, born of the unholy union between racism and colonialism” How can YOU place the word “Unholy” in your rhetoric when it’s not a distinction between Holy of Holier than Thou here. It’s attach then retaliate which is going on. It hasn’t anything to do with the original creation of the “Modern” State of Israel. IF you wish to go to the Past then where will you stop? I see, wheree it suits your story! Never mind then. IAs I said I doubt your “facts” as it’s from a Blogs and not from anywhere else taht you derive your “facts': “. According to defense officials, the Israel Defense Forces made use of the ‘human shield’ procedure on 1,200 occasions over the last five years, and only on one occasion did a Palestinian civilian get hurt.

            An 18-year-old Palestinian was killed in 2002 during one such operation.” and this is supposedly something which occured in 2005. 9 years ago. What was the outcome of the appeal? Oh, you don’t know. Even your bastion of Liberality, the Washingtoon Blog says “That claim is highly questionable.”. Why do you continue to support Criminals and Murders when the proof is POKING you right in your one seemingly good eye?

          • jim

            Says the guy that swallows whole and without question,substantiation or investigation- Israeli talking points as gospel
            And who also supports that self same apartheid regime in its indiscriminate slaughter of 2000+ people !
            80% of whom are civilians and 400+ of whom are children.!

            If cognitive dissonance had allowed or if you had bothered to look further-you would have seen that I had also provided a link to an article on that same Israel high court ruling that had appeared in Ynet- a well known Israeli news org(with a very pro Israel bias)
            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html

            The Israeli high court ruling that Israeli Soldiers used Palestinians as Human Shields is a historical fact !

            This is the self same practice and charge that Israels apologists continue to use and accuse the Palestinians of !
            It is one of their main justification,s for supporting the collective punishment and mass murder of the civilian population of Gaza !
            And yet this charge can not be verified or substantiated by Israels apologists-with even one credible verifiable and documented occurrence !(hearsay doesn’t count)

            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html

            “Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz demanded that the High Court review a ruling it issued last Thursday in which it declared that the ‘human shield’ procedure employed by the IDF when detaining Palestinians is illegal and violates international law.”

            The simple fact is the IDF engages in the practice of using human shields(mostly Palestinian children)

            I can provide a documented and VERIFIABLE source to back up my claim!
            I very much doubt that you could do the same to back up the Israeli counter claim !

          • Rollingsworth_T_Vestibule

            I said I doubt your facts and you turn Rabid and snarl and sling Hate filled rhetoric at me! No wonder I was right in doubting you. You are an idiot.

          • jim

            Hmmm-truth is hate now is it Mr Vestibule-I guess War is peace. Freedom is slavery. and Ignorance is strength too in your book!

            Cognitive dissonance or is the straw hat that was issued with the straw man from the Hasbara ministry -a little to tight a fit and restricting blood flow ?

            Btw any verifiable documented sources to backup the old Israeli apologists canard about “human shields”that is used so often to justify mass murder and collective punishment(a war crime)-yet ?
            No !-In the meantime-
            Here is that article about the IDF,s documented and verifiable use of Palestinians as human shields that appeared in the the Israeli news org- Ynet -again just for good measure

            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html

          • Rollingsworth_T_Vestibule

            Or should we call you AL-Jim? Hmmm my Saudi friend. H,m,mm

          • jim

            Hmm resorting to unfounded allegations again are we Mr Vestibule ?
            (or is it maybe Schmuly or Feivel perhaps!)

            Israeli Government Paying Students To Make Positive Comments About Israel On Social Media Sites
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnSUgvSQAio

  • landofaahs

    Common knowledge and typical of the muslims. They are like children who kill their parents and then plead to the jury to have mercy on them since they are orphans. Israel just needs to take over the original boundries they had at their peak and run out the muslims and secure their borders unlike the United States.

    • sunandfun

      Too much money going into the wrong hands.

      • jim

        Yes your right there-$15-$20 billion per year is probably just scratching the surface when we look at the cost of America’s relationship with Israel.
        The cost of America’s relationship to Israel today adjusted for inflation is likely to be in excess of $5 trillion, or $16k per American.
        The Real US-Israel Special Relationship
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dufRwQFHPO0

        Most Americans view Israel as an ally on the front lines fighting terrorists so Americans don’t have to, but nothing could be further from the truth. The few Islamic terrorist attacks on America in the last 50 years were all a result of America’s support for the Israeli apartheid regime-blowback if you will

  • Michael Brennan

    So therefore it’s ok for Israel to kill civilians ? What Hamas does is deplorable what israel has done is worse. Nobody wins in this blame game . The kids being slaughtered didnt harm anybody and a new generation of terrorists is created.

    • IReadit3

      We killed civilians in WWII. In your world we would have been unable to defeat Hitler or Japans barbaric conquest of the Pacific. War is not sanitary. And Wars that are fought NOT to win decisively and executed with extreme prejudice (Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea) only breed more conflict. So in short, if you want LESS killing in the future let Israel fight to win. (as a side note, they are exceptionally focused on reducing civilian casualties. When have you EVER heard of people getting a warning that a strike was coming in a time of war.)

      • AJ Tommy Guns

        There is no use in trying to explain logic to the irrational mind of a sheep.

      • landofaahs

        You can’t talk sense to terrorist sympathizers. Just as stupid young is stupid old, terrorist young is terrorist old if they make it that long. You can’t fix stupid but you can fix terrorists…permanently.

    • Anonymous

      A new generation of terrorists will be created no matter what Israel does. Aside from being barbaric, the Hamas terrorists are extremely short sighted. They are actively teaching little children to be Jew-hating terrorists. What they don’t seem to understand is that the hate that they instill in the children against Jews can be easily redirected at a later point to another group. Hate is hate. Plus, teaching children that the way to solve your problems is with a gun, children will grow up to be murderous thugs and try to resolve other socio-economic problems in their own neighborhoods violently.

      • Yo Mamma

        The kids in the video look just like the kids and their gun totting anti-government, anti this and anti that, Christians at gun ranges all around America.

        • Ali Goria

          So apparently when you can’t cite WORDS or specifics you default to “anti this and anti that”.

          Are Christians in American bombing and shooting people?

          You sound like an idiot.

          • Yo Mamma

            What are you then asking idiots questions?

            Does this idiot know something you don’t?

            Hint to the fat man behind the screen. Don’t ask a person a question after calling them an idiot, because it makes you seam very idiotic

            Yes Americans are in fact bombing and shooting people and most of them are in fact Christian. You do get news on our many new wars worldwide? When should we start? Panama?

            And I can only ‘sound’ if I speak. I do not speak and you cannot read but you WRITE like an idiot

          • jim

            Israeli DEPUTY SPEAKER declares that all palestinians should be expelled/eradicated and their lands taken over.
            ask yourself.
            If you were Palestinian. what would YOU do.

            What would you say if a Mexican mp declared that all Americans should be eradicated, and that the Mexican army SHOULD GO FOR MOTHERS FIRST ?

            Thats what Israeli politician Ayelet Shaked declared recently
            Ayelet Shaked is a disgusting person who should not have a job and could not have a job in any government other than in Israel.

            She is not a lone nut in israeli parliament. she is a normal member of israeli ruling coalition parties. there are MANY like her, :

        • Bert_1

          There is a difference between shooting paper targets and unarmed civilians.

          • Yo Mamma

            Those civilian casualties around the world were not ‘paper targets’

            I hope you don’t have dead relatives in those countries you now call paper targets – seriously

          • Bert_1

            I was referring to the paper targets at the shooting ranges you accused Christians in the US of loving.

          • Yo Mamma

            Ah yes, those made to look like Arabs. Yes, you like having your kids shoot them

          • Salvatore Buttice

            Wow! Where are you finding all these anti-government anti this and that gun toting Christians at gun ranges that are teaching their kids to shoot at targets that look like Arabs? I’d love to actually meet them. All the ones I meet are the Christians that want government to leave them alone to worship as they will, to stop people from entering the US illegally, and shoot at simple paper bulls-eye targets (or pop cans or soda bottles).

            Tell the lie long enough and make it big enough and maybe enough people will believe you Yo Mamma, but I sincerely hope that anyone looking at your screeds can understand that you are most likely a Muslim Troll, probably not American at all. In fact from your grammar I would assume someone who is definitely not a native English speaker. The way you torture the language I would have to assume 3rd world country, either Arab or Asian. Probably Arab, but maybe Central or South American with your Panama comment. Either way, someone who hates America because our economic and political system has proven to beat your own over and over and over.

            Get over your jealousy for the American freedom and prosperity, and maybe you can begin to see the insanity of your posts.

          • Yo Mamma

            Sorry, just read the first and last line of that rant. Keep it short and to the point if you want a decent response troll. Enjoy this video. Not Arabs this time but the first of many Bush wars

            http://www.youtube.com/watch/ISgeNxHb1vo?

          • Austin Schmidt

            You know, I thought about writing a detailed argument showing the fallacies of your logic and request some sources to refute the other claims you have, but then you said you didn’t even read that one person’s comment because it was, “Too long.” If you’re not going to read what others have to say then everyone will just assume that you’re a troll and won’t give you any real recognition or respect. Just a heads up

          • Yo Mamma

            i don’t read rants and care less about any respect

          • Bert_1

            The last time I was at a shooting range, the targets looked like Star Trek ships, circles or cartoon characters. Unless Arabs look like any of those, you are blowing hot air.

      • OpenMinded

        A few years ago I watched a video of these people on a kids show. They had a mickey mouse look alike who was showing the kindergarten aged children an assault rifle and telling them that they must kill all the jewish people. That they must kill their children as well. This was NOT a western tv station showing this.

        • Bert_1

          I think I have seen the video as well. Sickening.

          Also, this isn’t new. I remember years ago before I even knew where these places were on a map seeing in Life magazine (I told you it was years ago :-)) a picture of a bunch of Palestinian kids (7 or 8 years old) sitting in a school room. It looked like a normal school room from anywhere in the world except for 2 things: 1) they were all boys; and 2) they had AK-47’s on their desks. Way to go! :-(

        • jim

          Israeli talk show makes fun of Jesus and Mary
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtVpHUjwQSA

          • Bert_1

            Your point? While sickening, it is a hell of a lot better than what the terrorists are doing to Christians.

          • jim

            any examples or evidence -I can provide a slew on state discrimination in Israel
            I.e

            Israel Forcibly Injected African Immigrants with Birth Control

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/

          • jim

            Fyi Bert-There are more than 50 Israeli laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel(Christians included) in all areas of life, including their rights to political participation, access to land, education, state budget resources, and criminal procedures. Some of the laws also violate the rights of Palestinians living in the 1967 OPT and Palestinian refugees.

            http://adalah.org/eng/Israeli-Discriminatory-Law-Database

          • Bert_1

            I was referring to the video.

          • jim

            Israeli Persecution of Christians in the Holy Land – 60 Minutes
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnPc38P6WbA

          • OpenMinded

            I will take a look at this. I’m not receiving notifications of replies to my messages so it took me a while to see your reply.

    • Linda

      Hamas is teaching their children to hate Jews.

      Jews are not teaching their children to hate anyone!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIYfhAKFRLQ

      • jim

        Most people don’t know, that many orthodox jews oppose Israel and the occupation of Palestine. These orthodox jews believe Zionism endangers peace on earth. One of them is Rabbi Josef Antebi (born in Hebron), who was tortured by Zionists. This is an interview made in AMSTERDAM, the last day of Hanuka.

        Did the mainstream media ever inform you about the numerous PROTESTS worldwide, made by Jews against Zionism?
        Rabbi Josef Antebi exposing Zionists, even after being tortured by them!
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIT9sLz29iQ

    • hookumsnivy

      What would you have Israel do then? What’s the alternative? Hamas is storing rockets in schools, UN buildings, hospitals, civilian areas and firing rockets from near the same. Is Israel supposed to just ignore the constant rocket attacks and not fight back? Maybe they should demand that Hamas follow the rules of war? Maybe they should complain to the UN (Keep in mind it was the UN that found Hamas rockets in their own buildings and handed them back to the local authorities that are controlled by Hamas. They also are clearly anti-israel and not exactly anti-hamas). Perhaps they should just suck it up and get used to the constant barrage of rockets?

      When you think about it, Israel has shown a great deal of restraint. They warn civilians before air strikes. They could easily fire without warning. They could just carpet bomb entire neighborhood, but they don’t so as to keep civilian deaths to a minimum. If the roles were reversed, don’t you think Hamas would carpet bomb Israel?

      • CommonSense4America

        Hamas does carpet bomb Israel with the best of their ability. The rockets are not precision guided but more like buzz bombs. If your old enough to know a buzz bomb.

        • hookumsnivy

          Good point. The difference is that Israel could successfully carpet bomb Gaza, turning everything into rubble and chooses not to. If given the capabilities, I don’t think Hamas would hesitate to lay waste to Israel and all of its inhabitants.

        • yourpaled

          Wow, buzz bombs were quite big. I’d sure would like to see some as evidence.

          • CommonSense4America

            BIG is not what made the buzzing sound. Size, in this case, doesn’t matter.

      • yourpaled

        There seems to be a lot of information about the storage of these rockets in civilian areas, yet I haven’t seen any pictures or videos of actual rockets being stored as evidence. I don’t know who to believe.

        • jim

          There is not one shred of proof or evidence to substantiate these claims
          I challenge any and all Israeli apologists for collective punishment to provide even one reliable and verifiable source !

    • landofaahs

      No, it’s okay for Israel to return fire back to the source of those attacks. If you hang around terrorists don’t be surprised if you get blown up. The kids should run from those who are setting up rockets attacking others. Duh!!

    • Ali Goria

      Yes. It’s kill or be killed. But we get it. You’d prefer they just destroy Israel and all it’s people.

      • jim

        As recently as the early 1990s, activists were opposing the principle of self-determination for another ethnic group – white South Africans.

        It is noteworthy that FW De Klerk’s defence of the principle of Apartheid has involved a comparison to Israel; Afrikaners wanted only the national self-determination sought by Israeli Jews, he says. The cases are analogous because both peoples sought national rights based on dispossessing another population.

    • Salvatore Buttice

      Why yes, yes it is.

      If the rocket launch site was a military base surrounded by civilian housing, would you say they could not bomb it? If a barracks for soldiers is built near a civilian apartment building, is it out of bounds? How about if an ICBM silo is located under a hospital, is that target not allowed? The argument seems to be that Israel cannot fire on ANYTHING that might hurt, kill, or even inconvenience civilians.

      My argument is: It’s a valid military target, and there may indeed be collateral damage. If the civilians do not want that collateral damage to fall on them, they have several available actions to take.

      Move from the neighborhood that Hamas is using for a military base.

      Leave Gaza and go to one of the MANY other Muslim nations in the Middle East. If they immigrate to Egypt or Jordan or Saudi Arabia there is VERY little chance of an Israeli rocket hitting them.

      Or, and this is the best recourse they could ever take, STOP THE HAMAS SCUM FROM OPERATING IN THEIR TERRITORIES! Kill the bastards when you see them out setting up their little launch sites. Kill them when you see them skulking down an alley on their way to attack Israeli troops. Kill them when you hear them shouting Allah Akbar in the market square.

      Every military in the civilized world answers to those citizens. Hamas is the military of the so called State of Palestine. It must be made to answer to the citizens, by being destroyed if necessary. If the civilians allow it to continue, then just like the Germans in WWII they will pay the price.

      Unlike Israel, who sets up her military bases in clear areas and still has their CIVILIAN population attacked by the Hamas Scum, the Palestinians have chosen to embed their military inside their civilian population. They do not create bases, bunkers and airfields that can be attacked, but instead hide in civilian areas. When they are (as they should be) attacked, it is their choice (and that of their civilians who allow this to occur) that causes the civilian casualties.

      When the Palestinians work to destroy Hamas on their own, I will begin to feel sympathy for the civilians. Until then however they are just as culpable and evil as the Hamas scum who they enable.

      • pfiffi43

        After reading the posts today, I recognized a certain pattern of the person called “Yo Mamma”. The conversational style of this person seems to be that she loves to disagree with the opinions of others.
        I believe it is called “oppositional conversational style” . The psychology the people like her are using is not only to set the record straight but also to confuse the issue. These people try to assert dominance but after a while it gets tiresome and annoying to read their posts. It is great to have a debate but if it turns combative the conversation in the end turns dull. I, for one, will no longer read the posts of Yo Mamma and people should just tell her …. “Whatever”….

      • Today22011

        Absolutely agree that until the Palestinians destroy Hamas they remain culpable in their evil .

    • pilgrimson

      Israel has not done worse.
      Millions of Israelis are going through the trauma of missile attacks but
      that trauma is incomparable to the bloodbath and horror that Hamas intended by sending tens, sometimes hundreds, of murderous missiles onto civilian
      populations daily. There the millions of aid money went into tunnels and
      ammunition to murder Israeli civilians and their own.
      Here, Israeli money goes on building for the future, defence of civilians, medical care and fighting
      terror.

      • jim

        Israeli,s enjoying-barbecue,s,beer and popcorn while perched atop sderot hill watching the bombs being dropped on Palestinian children and reveling in the carnage being wrought upon Gaza !
        Its almost a national Israeli blood sport!

    • FishLady

      Talk to Hamas about that.

    • Today22011

      Hamas is responsible for the slaughter of the civilians. Hamas is in violation of Geneva Conventions and should be tried for war crimes. Are the Palestinians brain-washed or just cowardly to tolerate what Hamas is doing to them and their families?

    • olf

      Please find a rope and push on it.

    • munchkin96

      Israel did not choose to kill civilians, Hamas chose to use their children and women as shields. Don’t forget the suicide bombings by Hamas, snipers, the thousands of Israeli people who were murdered and injured, there were hundreds of children. Some of the attacks were deliberately intended against children and youth. Don’t forget, Christians are next in line because of their barbaric religion. P.S. Muslims and Christians live in Israel – and they all live their in peace and prosperity. Chew on this bit of information for awhile or better yet do your own research and perhaps you just might learn something.

      • jim

        Reuters, 2013: “A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields.”

        http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/20/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620

      • jim

        Thousands ??? I seriously doubt it!
        Total fatalities in the history of rocket and mortar attacks
        from Gaza into Israel: 26

        Strike on Gaza in December, 2008 (Operation Cast Lead):
        Palestinian Arab losses: 1,400 total .
        Israeli losses: 13 total.

        Israeli-Palestinian Fatalities Since 2000 – Key Trends -31 August 2007
        Of those killed in the conflict, 4,228 have been Palestinians, 1,024 Israelis, and 63 foreign citizens. For every person killed, approximately seven were also injured.
        the total number of Palestinians, both civilians and combatants killed by the Israeli security forces or Israeli individuals, remains relatively high. In 2007, for example, for every one Israeli death there were 25 Palestinian deaths compared to 2002 when the ratio was 1:2.5.
        http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/BE07C80CDA4579468525734800500272#sthash.5Z9ByuhK.dpuf – See more at: http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/BE07C80CDA4579468525734800500272#sthash.5Z9ByuhK.dpuf
        But you can prove me wrong -by backing up that preposterous claim and source your info for all to see

    • CentralILGram

      Hamas has ordered civilians in Gaza to stay put. Hamas has indoctrinated children that being a martyr for Allah is the highest honor for them and their families. Some Palestinians who tried to leave were detained by Hamas. Do a search on the internet – – it’s all there. WAKE UP.

    • Asglarek

      So are you advocating total annihilation of the “so called” Palestinians?

  • For My Liberty

    Makes one wonder WHY the left will believe ANYTHING these savages say, when their “Book” TELLS them to LIE to forward their Agenda, OH, Wait, THAT is the LEFT’S Playbook too!!!

    • pfiffi43

      Right you are!

    • jim

      “By way of deception thou shalt do war” A Mossad motto

      • http://www.mweb.co.za moveintothelight

        what hamas is doing is a real deception wanting jurnalists to get killed then blame it on israel. pure evil

        • jim

          With the use of drones, F-16s and an arsenal of modern weapon technology, Israel has the ability to target single individuals and therefore to avoid civilian casualties. But rather than avoid them, Israel has repeatedly targeted civilians as part of its military operations.

          • sunandfun

            If you believe that, you are an uninformed idiot

          • jim

            A typical apologist for ethnic cleansing ,apartheid and collective punishment-How idiotic!!
            What are YOUR sources of info FOX !LOL
            you base that ludicrous argument on what exactly ???
            Where are your verifiable sources ? Links ?
            Anything but hot air !!!

          • Albbtruth

            Hey Jim it’s sad that you can no-longer trust your own eyes. Can you share with us what you think is Israel’s reasoning for targeting civilians? They benefit how exactly?

          • jim

            Why land of course -the objective is to make life so miserable for the disposessed Palestinians(the root of the conflict goes back to the Mass expulsion of civilians from there ancestral homes in 1948)that they will leave of there own accord!
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JqUKAXtU-I

            Ben Gurion 1948 : “We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return.” Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. “The old will die and the young will forget.”

            “We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

            “We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum”

          • Bert_1
          • jim

            CAMERA Bert !!! really ?
            That org is utterly biased and an organ of the Israeli propaganda ministry !

            Deconstructing Ian Lustick’s ‘two-state illusion’

            http://mondoweiss.net/2013/10/deconstructing-lusticks-illusion.html

          • Bert_1

            It is better than a lot of the stuff you post links to, Jim. Either it is true or it is false.

          • jim

            Most the stuff I post comes from legitimate news sources-its just a shame cognitive dissonance doesn’t allow the info to filter through

          • Bert_1

            From where I am sitting, the only person suffering from cognitive dissonance, Jim, is you. Your last posts have been unfortunate. You seemed to be doing so well there for a while.

          • jim

            Idiots that resort to name calling and cant back up there claims -get.s my goat sometimes naturally

          • Cat

            Last time I checked “idiot” is name calling. Also, please learn the difference between “there” and “their”.

          • jim

            Is that the sum total of your 2 cents worth ?
            A lesson in the correct use of “their”
            Do you also support the collective punishment of 1.8 million people that are trapped in an open air prison also?

            David Cameron describes blockaded Gaza as a ‘prison’
            UK Prime Minister David Cameron has condemned the blockade of the Gaza Strip, describing the territory as a “prison camp”.

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-10778110

          • Cat

            Of course it isn’t the “sum total of my 2 cents worth”.  It’s a complicated situation.  What I am saying is that it’s hard to take seriously one who doesn’t demonstrate a grade-school command of written English and who is posting propaganda films.

          • jim

            Hmmm so lectures by scholars on the subject is now considered as propaganda-is it !

          • jim

            Bert -Can Israel be Jewish and democratic — i.e. Can a state which grants legal privileges to some and denies rights to others based on religious affiliation or descent – be considered a democracy. ?

          • yourpaled

            Ah, trust your own eyes. My eyes tell me that magicians indeed pull rabbits out of an empty hat too. Look deeper and you’ll see deception , maybe then you’ll wake up.

          • tverle

            Jim, what exactly does a hamas terrorist look like? Just so they know they aren’t targeting a civilian. In the video above I don’t see a uniform or a scarlet ‘h’ or anything special. How do you tell if a 7 year old kid is a hamas terrorist? You obviously can easily spot them. Perhaps you could share your manual and expertise with the Israelis?

          • jim

            Are you seriously trying to justify shooting 7 year old kids!!!
            Israeli apologists have sunk much lower than I thought possible !!!
            Do you have even a shred of proof to back up what your saying ?
            If so post it !!!
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFK3MroYrpY

        • jim

          And where are your verifiable sources to back up these statements-or is it just opinion!
          here are some opinions from Rabbi,s that were adressing10.000+ Jews that had gathered in NYC

          NYC: 10,000+ Jews Against Israel (U.S. Media Blackout)

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMQ9C6vni0w

    • jim

      Yes just look at the hate in THIS book(hate exists in the books and works of ALL organised religions)

      If a ‘goy’ (Gentile) hits a Jew he must be killed.” (Sanhedrin 58b)

      If a Jew finds an object lost by a ‘goy’ it does not have to be returned.” (Baba Mezia 24a)

      * “If a Jew murders a ‘goy’ there will be no death penalty.” (Sanhedrin 57a)

      * What a Jew steals from a ‘goy’ he may keep.” (Sanhedrin 57a)

      * “Jews may use subterfuges to circumvent a ‘goy.’” (Baba Kamma 113a)

      * “All children of the ‘goyim’ (Gentiles) are animals.” (Yebamoth 98a)

  • Armand Tetreault

    cowards.

  • knight

    it is ridiculous how people say Israel is the worst just because Israel has a better defense. have you seen any of those school fights videos, where some people bully and bully another, and after a lot of bullying they fight and win? it is the same, hamas bullies Israel, and Israel responds and wins. hamas must be destroyed for the good of everyone even for the good of palestinians.

    • pfiffi43

      They, Hamas, called Israelis worse than Hitler! History proved them wrong but too many people in the world sided with evil.

    • jim

      The precarious and unstable conditions in the Gaza Strip from which Palestinians suffer are Israel’s responsibility.
      Israel has an obligation and a duty to protect the civilians under its occupation.

      Israel argues that it can invoke the right to self-defense under international law as defined in Article 51 of the UN Charter. The International Court of Justice, however, rejected this faulty legal interpretation in its 2004 Advisory Opinion.

      The ICJ explained that an armed attack that would trigger Article 51 must be attributable to a sovereign state, but the armed attacks by Palestinians emerge from within Israel’s jurisdictional control.

      Israel does have the right to defend itself against rocket attacks, but it must do so in accordance with occupation law and not other laws of war. Occupation law ensures greater protection for the civilian population. The other laws of war balance military advantage and civilian suffering. The statement that “no country would tolerate rocket fire from a neighboring country” is therefore both a diversion and baseless.

      • knight

        what do you do if Hamas is using civilians as shields, Hamas places rockets in civilian places like, houses, hospitals, schools etc. Hamas is dressed as civilians. Hamas kills people that wants to flee.

        • jim

          I have no love for the odious Hamas they are a bane to the people of Gaza-but where is your proof -and your verifiable sources to back that claim!
          Many an NGO have stated that there is no truth to the Israeli claim about human shields-

          Israel-Gaza conflict: The myth of Hamas’s human shields

          http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-the-myth-of-hamass-human-shield-9619810.html
          IDF soldiers however do use Palestinian children as human shields and it has been well documented
          Israel: Soldiers’ Punishment for Using Boy as ‘Human Shield’ Inadequate
          http://www.hrw.org/news/2010/11/26/israel-soldiers-punishment-using-boy-human-shield-inadequate

        • jim

          Many an NGO have stated that there is no truth to the Israeli claim about human shields-
          However as regards the IDF,s use of children as human shields- that’s a different story
          Israeli soldiers who used Palestinian boy, 9, as a human shield avoid jail

          Mother says suspended sentences and demotions for forcing her son to check bag for bombs at gunpoint are ‘a scandal’
          ‘http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/21/israeli-soldiers-human-shield-avoid-jail

        • jim

          According to Israel’s logic, all of Gaza’s 1.8 million Palestinians are human shields for being born Palestinian in Gaza.
          The solution is to destroy the 360-kilometer square strip of land and to expect a watching world to accept this catastrophic loss as incidental.

          This is possible only by framing and accepting the dehumanization of Palestinian life. Despite the absurdity of this proposal, it is precisely what Israeli society is urging its military leadership to do. Israel cannot bomb Palestinians into submission, and it certainly cannot bomb them into peace.

        • jim

          “Hamas kills people that wants to flee”-.Is that so !

          The “Guardian: “In the past week, the Guardian has seen large numbers of people fleeing different neighbourhoods.. and no evidence that Hamas had compelled them to stay.”

          http://www.theguardian.com/wor

          The Independent: “Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields.”
          http://www.independent.co.uk/n

        • yourpaled

          Are there concrete proofs of your claims about the rockets stashed in civilian houses? I have yet to see actual rockets in hospitals. I’m not defending Hamas as they are terrorists, but I would like to see all these rockets all over the place. Did you see actual rockets in the report above? I certainly haven’t.

      • northernwatchman

        Gaza is not occupied by Israel Jim. Former warrior Prime Minster Ariel Sharon pulled all Israelis out some years ago. Not a popular move but just one more example of the lengths Israel would go to live in peace. Unfortunately, Hamas does not want peace and spent millions in aid money buiding tunnels to terrorize Israeli citizens instead of hospitals.
        God grant you a change of heart.

        • jim

          Like most others of your persuasion-you are completely wrong about the ongoing siege and occupation of Gaza
          and facts are facts regardless of mental gymnastics or cognitive dissonance

          Article from the Boston Globe on the ongoing siege and de facto occupation of Gaza- NOVEMBER 23, 2012
          http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2012/11/23/roy/sctFniw6Wn2n9nTdxZ91RJ/story.html
          The Israeli government has referred to its siege policy as a form of “economic warfare.” In a Nov. 2008 cable from the US embassy in TEL AVIV released by WikiLeaks, US officials wrote, “As part of their overall embargo plan against Gaza, Israeli officials have confirmed . . . on multiple occasions that they intend to keep the Gazan economy on the brink of collapse without quite pushing it over the edge” with the aim of having Gaza’s economy “functioning at the lowest level possible consistent with avoiding a humanitarian crisis.” This was achieved through an Israeli-imposed blockade that ended all normal trade.
          http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2012/11/23/roy/sctFniw6Wn2n9nTdxZ91RJ/story.html

        • jim

          Dont you mean the “war criminal’ Ariel Sharon
          “In the aftermath of Ariel Sharon’s death, we take a look at his troubling legacy. We return to the Sabra and Shatila massacre, which many hold Sharon responsible for, despite his never facing trial. ”

          The Bloody Legacy That Dogged Ariel Sharon’s Career

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0hy86aQTmg

        • jim

          Your completely wrong -again !Best check your facts first !
          Palestinians have yet to experience a day of self-governance. Israel immediately imposed a siege upon the Gaza Strip when Hamas won parliamentary elections in January 2006 and tightened it severely when Hamas routed Fatah in June 2007. The siege has created a “humanitarian catastrophe” in the Gaza Strip.
          http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine
          Inhabitants will not be able to access clean water, electricity or tend to even the most urgent medical needs. The World Health Organization explains that the Gaza Strip will be unlivable by 2020. Not only did Israel not end its occupation, it has created a situation in which Palestinians cannot survive in the long-term.
          http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/gaza-2020-liveable-place

      • yourpaled

        And to prove a point, compare the damage that Hamas inflicts on Israel and what Israel has done to Palestinians! It’s like night and day or apples and oranges.

    • jim

      Since 2001 Hamas has fired literally 1000s of homemade rockets into Israel killing 29 Israeli people. Since 2001 Israel has fired 1000s of professionally made rockets into Gaza killing 5700 Palestinian people.

      Israel is not defending itself. Israel is massacring Palestinians. It’s called genocide.

  • hookumsnivy

    From France24. The correspondent is right near where a rocket was fired from, and then expands on the story.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMiG9JD2OxM

  • Landree

    That’s one brave Indian. Everyone knows Hamas launches rockets at Palestinian’s expense. Palestinians don’t even know when they’re endangered. Amazing footage by a brave news company, but just evidence of what main stream media has been reporting.

    • olf

      Just evidence of main stream media is not reporting.

      • Landree

        Main stream media has reported that Hamas fires rockets from civilian sites.

        • really?

          Why is it that it is not reported on EVERYDAY that the conflict occurs? Why is it not covered everytime the media reports about civilian deaths?

          • Landree

            It is. Front page news today. I see reporting every day.

          • sunandfun

            It’s only reported in the B.S. gazette. Landree is the publisher.

        • yourpaled

          Did you actually see a rocket fired in that report?

    • sunandfun

      Mainstream media has NO conscience, which is also shameful.

    • jim

      Here is the SAME “brave Indian” making a report from Gaza around the same time as the rocket video

      Funny how some people applaud the “rocket” video but will not believe THIS particular report?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7lcNjTRSn4

  • Yo Mamma

    There was little doubt in my mind Hamas was doing this which makes them look very bad indeed.

    But that doesn’t excuse the Jews from firing a rocket into that area where they know civilians are.

    Israel should tell the Gaza community to evacuate and he who remains is there just causing trouble.

    Have they done that?

    • hookumsnivy

      See my response to Michael Brennan. How should Israel respond?

      • Yo Mamma

        Ya, I read it, so what, did you read what I said?

        Have the Jews told civilians to move away?

        • hookumsnivy

          YES! They have done EXACTLY that.
          They warn civilians before the air strikes.

          • Yo Mamma

            Please. The entire area needs to be evacuated, not just a building – omg

          • hookumsnivy

            How would you like them to notify them? Go door to door?
            They drop leaflets, make calls, and use warning devices.

          • Yo Mamma

            Leaflets is a good idea – Let them move to Jordan or Egypt or America

          • hookumsnivy

            Have you been paying attention? They ARE dropping leaflets!!!

          • Yo Mamma

            Well then, may as well just nuke the remaining population because they are too stupid to move away

            “natural selection” Darwin

          • Austin Schmidt

            Lol maybe we should send some door-to-door salesmen over there. They certainly have the experience necessary to go around an area and knock on all the doors!

          • jim

            They get a 10-15 minute warning at best-a small missile hits the target first followed 10-15 minutes later by a much larger one !
            its akin to being shot in the leg first and then being given a 10 minute head start to run !

          • pilgrimson

            Hamas keeps them there threatening them.

          • jim

            “In the past week, the Guardian has seen large numbers of people fleeing different neighbourhoods.. and no evidence that Hamas had compelled them to stay.”
            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/22/gaza-displaced-palestinians-not-safe

        • hookumsnivy

          Just to correct your post, it should be “has Israel…”
          The war is with Israel, not just the Jews in Israel. Israel is made up of Jews, Christians, Muslims, and others.

          • Yo Mamma

            Israel is a LAND.

            A land cannot fight

            Jews are the predominant religion fighting in the ARMY.

            Jews, not Israel

          • hookumsnivy

            Jews live in areas other than Israel. There are Christians and Muslims in Israeli parliament. Also, not all Jews are supportive of the current military action.
            If Jews are Israel, then would Hamas be Gaza?

          • Yo Mamma

            Anyone living in the LAND OF ISRAEL

            Is an ISRAELI

            Has been, always will be – Has nothing to do with religion

            If you want to say that the Israelis are attacking Hamas, that is fine. But because you know that they are Jewish soldiers, why say Jewish Israelis and not Jews?

            Again

            Israel is a LAND.

            A land cannot fight

            Jews are the predominant religion fighting in the ARMY.

            Jews, not Israel

          • Nissim Ozkaragoz

            The jews,their land,and their religious laws(the Torah) are combined!!
            You cant saparate them!

          • Yo Mamma

            What you say Nissim is not true

          • Nissim Ozkaragoz

            And who understands about Judaism more? you or me? I’m jewish

          • Yo Mamma

            And you know well your Talmud right?

            And the Talmud was created when?

            After the destruction of the last temple 70ad right?

            After the Priests were murdered right?

            There was only oral traditions prior to that right?

            And for good reason

            The Talmud

            Your Jewish sacred text

            Its blasphemous in the eyes of God Creator and Torah

          • Nissim Ozkaragoz

            You are not worth any reply honestly. the Talmud IS the Torah.

          • Yo Mamma

            This what you say is typical Jewish rhetoric taught by rebellious rabbis over the last 2000 years that are very happy ministering to the Semitic people and collecting the tithes.

            No rabbis do not want the religion of the Hebrews (Moses religion) to come back – no sir.

            So Jews and Christians keep denying. Only the Muslims called you out.

            Talmud is not Torah and to say that is blasphemous. Talmud is rabbis squabbling over their interpretations and meanings of Torah. First the Mishnah (about 200ad)and then the Gemara (about 500ad) which further debated the squabbling of the Mishnah. Its a dog trying to catch its tail.

            The problem is NEITHER ADD TO NOR DIMINISH FROM THIS LAW Nissim

            And Talmud is new laws added. Sacred to the Jew and blasphemous to the Hebrew. Forbidden by the Priests that ruled Israel for over 1000 years until the common man rose up against them and introduced you little twerps as the leaders

            So who knows it? You being a Jew or me being objective and honest?

          • Nurse1223

            You are neither objective or honest.

          • Yo Mamma

            You need to back up your statement.

            You seems to think a lot of people ‘dishonest’

            You wrote “Hillary is the worst because she is responsible for the deaths of our
            four heroes in Benghazi, and she is cold, calculating, vindictive and
            dishonest.”

            Smaaart

            “cold, calculating, vindictive and
            dishonest” sounds like you

          • Nurse1223

            I know people who have been around Hillary and my description of her sounds exactly like Hillary. However, how is Hillary a part of this discussion?

          • Yo Mamma

            You haven’t been around me baby. So don’t call people dishonest without backing it up. Even back it up with lies is better than just calling someone names – You just an idiot – Darwin made an exception with you and your lineage

          • Nurse1223

            I just want to point out that you are calling me names and you don’t know me at all, so you couldn’t possibly back up your comments. It could be that you are projecting. But I forgive you for calling me an idiot among other not so nice comments, and I wish all good things for you.

          • Today22011

            Nurse1223 @ Your patience is admirable. Yo-mamma is only wished a brain transplant.

          • Nurse1223

            You are right, Nissim, she is not worth any reply. Her mind is not open and she demonstrates her lack of knowledge. Ignore her.

          • Guest

            No, he is not right and you are just saying one is right and the other is wrong like a returd you are with no substance. At least Nissim made an effort to be wrong, you’re just a scared little s*it

          • Nurse1223

            I’m definitely not scared and my reply to Nissim is right on target, so this is my last reply to you.
            I’m sure you are a good person who believes what you say, and you are worried about the children and innocent people who are in the crossfire, as all of us are. But Israel is not to blame. They are just protecting themselves. I wish all good things for you, Yo Mamma.

          • Yo Mamma

            I could care less about those killed. And I don’t like being a person. I don’t like being a person because God Creator doesn’t like the person created. This admission came 3500 years before my birth, but doesn’t make me like myself more for it. God Creator also did not shed a tear when helping the Hebrew WIPE OUT the Canaanites. I too do not shed a tear

          • Bert_1

            Well, Jesus read from the Jewish Scriptures so they had to have been written a few years before 70 AD.

          • Yo Mamma

            “Well, Jesus read from the Jewish Scriptures so they had to have been written a few years before 70 AD.”

            Factually incorrect Bert.

            Those were all Hebrews and Jesus was a common man Hebrew of the Judah tribe, not a Jew.

            This is a lie spread by Jews and Christians alike.

            He read Torah (5 Books ) written 1500 yrs before his birth

            Gosh talk about bible 101

          • Bert_1

            To the best of my knowledge, the Torah is part of the Talmud.

            If Jesus wasn’t a Jew, why was He presented to God at the Temple in Jerusalem? Isn’t that a Jewish tradition? If He wasn’t a Jew, what religion was His family?

          • Yo Mamma

            OMG Bert, you’re trying to hard.

            Talmud was started in 70 ad, finished in 200ad then another version finished 500 ad.

            Confused?

            Torah came from Moses 1500years prior to that.

            Talmud (spew) is rabbinical leaders debating points and interpretations to do with Torah

            But as you know

            When you put YOUR interpretation IN WRITING

            Then you call it SACRED

            You have new laws

            And Torah says no new laws

            Bab bad rebellious pharisees

            New laws = new religion, enter the age of the Jews

          • Bert_1

            I think that you are splitting hairs. I am not Jewish so I am not an expert on their sacred books. To me the Talmud contains the Torah in spite of the fact that before the destruction of the Temple, the Torah was oral. I don’t see a difference. If you take oral teachings and write them down, don’t you still have the same teachings? This isn’t unique to the Jews. Many cultures went through something similar.

          • Yo Mamma

            Its forbidden to write them down. Torah is written down for a reason and its NOT oral.

            When you put YOUR interpretation IN WRITING

            Then you call it SACRED

            You have new laws

            And Torah says no new laws

            The Hebrew religion is based strictly on LITERAL TORAH.

            Jewish religion is Talmud + Torah + Prophets + Writings

            Sorry Bert, but I am losing patience with you thinking that the religion that dominated Israel prior to 70ad for over 1000 years is the same as Judaism. Its not – 2 distinctly different religions one having inheritance of the land, one being a blasphemous rebellious troublemaker that has zero inheritance of any land

          • SBook2515

            Jesus stood up in the synagogue and read from Isaiah. Throughout His ministry, He quoted from over half of the books in the Old Testament.

          • Yo Mamma

            Yeah well in those days if you had called that SACRED you would have been stoned.

            Prophets and writings may have been around, but were not considered sacred for some time after death of your beloved god jesus

            The many years prior to Jesus, there was strife in the land. Rebellion, but because the leadership was Priestly, no sacred text was ever admitted or acknowledged, until the masses rose up in defiance against the Priests, Jerusalem, the treasury with help from the roman

          • SBook2515

            Those are some of the most utterly absurd claims I have ever read.
            Are you actually trying to claim that Jesus would stand up in the synagogue, read a prophecy from the writings of Isaiah, and declare that the prophesy He just read had now been fulfilled, but that it was not considered sacred? Would the writings of Isaiah would even BE in the synagogue if they were not sacred? How could the priests you refer to claim their authority by texts you assert were not sacred to them?

          • Yo Mamma

            There was a lot of corruption and perversion in the days of your jesus. It didn’t take a genius to figure that the end of the road was close at hand.

            People read stories in a religious setting all the time. But they are not sacred, just nice cutesy stories

            If jesus read a sacred script other than Torah and claimed it to be sacred under the law and control of the Priests, he would have been stoned.

            Crucifixion was the Roman way of dealing with trouble makers

            Only once the roman destroyed the temple 69ad, murdered the Priests, stone the treasury, did the crazed common man (mostly pharisee) go postal and rebel against the old religion. Hell, would you want to take your prized goat to a Priest to atone for your sins? Hell no. You wanted to go straight to God. And so you have for 2000 years or at least you think you do

          • SBook2515

            He did not read a “cutsey” story. He read a prophesy. There is a huge difference.

            If you choose to keep posting these preposterous hypotheses and claims it is your choice, but IMO you just keep making yourself look more and more foolish.

          • Yo Mamma

            Lets see who is foolish here…

            You wrote : “I believe that God exists and has all knowledge and all truth”

            Ok, God Creator exists – correct

            God Creator has not all knowledge
            Why? How do I know this as fact?
            Because God Creator admitted, yes admitted, to having created a returd called humans, a mistake. If God Creator was as you say all knowledgeable, God Creator would have known that creating mankind would be a mistake, a disastrous invention – But God Creator DID indeed create mankind and was surprised to find how pathetic we are

            God Creator is NOT all knowledgeable…

            Reference Torah “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and creeping thing, and fowl of the air; for it repenteth Me that I have made them”

            So you say some foolish things SBook2515

          • jim

            200 AD actually

          • Bert_1

            How could Jesus be reading from documents written in 200 AD?

          • jim

            Correction meant 200 BC (The first part the Mishnah)- the TALMUD I meant -Bert?

          • Guest

            Israeli professor of history at Tel Aviv University, Jews have no right to the land. :-)

          • SBook2515

            Just because someone is a professor doesn’t mean they are correct.

          • FishLady

            :-)

          • jim

            Do have any scholars or professors of history without an axe to grind(Shlomo Sands is an Israeli and a Zionist) to offer a counter conclusion ?

          • SBook2515

            No, I’m just saying that I’ve know a few college professors and they aren’t always right.

          • jim

            So in other words -you cannot offer a counter scholarly view!
            So its just your opinion in the End
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPjrZWXca68

          • SBook2515

            Just my personal observation. Chill out.

          • jim

            So your willing to discount professor Sands bestselling Scholarly work on the history of the Levant -“The invention of the land of Israel”
            Because you knew a few “dodgy” prof,s once !Lol

          • pilgrimson

            Nissim, don’t let him bait you. You can’t school the ignorant.
            If he is ignored he will disappear.

          • hookumsnivy

            I can’t believe you’re actually making that argument. So when the US goes to war with another country, is it the Christians vs fill in the blank? Christianity is the dominant religion in the US and I would bet it’s the dominant religion in the armed forces as well.
            There are other religions in the Israeli army.

          • Yo Mamma

            Most are Jews

            Like when Israel was occupied by the Romans.

            One never stated “Israel is attacking”

            You would politely say “The Romans are attacking”

            Even though, those very Romans were in fact Israelites living in the land of Israel at the time

            When Israel was occupied by the Muslims

            One never stated “Israel is attacking”

            You would politely say “The Muslims are attacking”

          • hookumsnivy

            Also, a lot of Jews in Israel aren’t religious.

          • Bert_1

            Israel is a COUNTRY and, like every other country on the planet, she can fight. Fairly well, it appears.

            PS: Not all Israelis are Jews any more than all Americans are.

          • pilgrimson

            Ignore him he just wants the attention.

          • Bert_1

            I know that that is always a possibility but I try to make sure that I understand what is going on. I find the nuances to be challenging to get my head around and the fact that there are intelligent people on both sides of this issue tells me that it is rather complex.

          • pilgrimson

            Good point but he is only getting off his jollies by getting into the head with everybody and everyone. I quit when I sensed he had me going.

          • Yo Mamma

            Baaaa baaaa

          • jim

            Israel is an apartheid state-Non jews are second class citizens

            Does the term ‘apartheid’ fit Israel? Of course it does.

            http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-makdisi-israel-apartheid-20140518-story.html

        • SBook2515

          Yes, they have. Israel sends in warnings before they attack an area and asks people to leave. Hamas does everything they can to keep the people from leaving.

        • pilgrimson

          They always do!

        • Today22011

          You are purposefully ignoring the conversation to continue your rant and your words expose you .

          • Yo Mamma

            What was the question?

    • Guest

      Yes

    • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

      So you are saying you are ignoring the fact that the Israelis do give them warning and HAMAS holds them their at gunpoint. Also I see you are blaming Jews for this so then you must be a racist as well.

      • Yo Mamma

        There isn’t a human on earth that is NOT racist.

        God Creator is racist too. Remember the chosen?

        Are you just stupid or trying hard to be an idiot?

        • pilgrimson

          Why do you think God chose them??
          Do you know?

          • Yo Mamma

            You just told Bert to ignore me

            I now ignore you

            Eye for an eye, yay Muslims, they said watch out for the Christian and Jew right there in the Koran

          • Yo Mamma

            Who, chose who, your grandma?

          • pilgrimson

            Thanks! That answers my question!

        • Austin Schmidt

          I’m going to assume that you haven’t taken the time to research this, so I’ll provide a little “Israel history 101″ here. Now if everyone reading this would settle down and take out their notebooks, we’ll begin the lesson on why Israel was “chosen.” Long ago in a land far away, there was a man named Abraham. Abraham was a man who tried to do good in this world. Thus when God tried to show people the way to find redemption for their sins, Abraham was the only person that listened and in an extreme act of faith, dropped everything and moved, with his family, to the promised land. From Abraham we have the descendants of Ishmael and Isaac. Ishmael’s descendants are the modern day Muslims and Isaac’s descendants are the modern day Jews. Isaac’s descendants carried on God’s set of guidelines for redemption while Ishmael and his mother Hagar were cast out and did not follow these guidelines. Israel tended to accept people who genuinely wanted to become a part of their nation and join God’s chosen people. (Rahab, Ruth, and so on) There was no racism here, but just people who actually did follow God’s call. That concludes today’s lesson. Class is dismissed.
          (BTW way to admit to being racist. Real classy move)

          • Yo Mamma

            The race of Canaanites, Jebusites, Hittites were not welcome in the LAND OF ISRAEL under the law of TORAH.

            You get that?

            The Hebrews ARE welcome under the direction of THE PRIESTS and TORAH

            God helped the HEBREW kill, yeah baby, KILL the Canaanite and took over the land while destroying their places of worship and enslaving women and children.

            I know God Creator and God Creator has no problem wiping out entire civilizations and all of humanity

            If you don’t think that racism, you’re just daft

            PS> I have no problem being just like God Creator, a racist. But like God Creator I do NOT hate, just a tad low on tolerance

          • Yo Mamma

            I responded at length to this but for some reason or other, the post doesn’t show

      • jim

        Get your facts straight -the IDF have used roof knocking since 2006, warning residents to flee their building immediately as a missile strike might only be moments away. But while the term conjures an image of Israeli soldiers going door to door and advising civilians to leave, the practice instead involves the IDF hitting a building with a smaller missile as a warning only moments before the target is obliterated.
        Much like shooting you in the leg first and then giving you 5 minutes to run

        • Bert_1

          Well, they could attack unannounced. That’s what the terrorists do.

          • jim

            And exactly where in Israel have these much lauded “terrorist,s”attacked ? How many Israeli,s have they killed by going through the “tunnels”-exacly none !
            The “tunnels” we hear so much of can be detected by ground piercing radar which the Israelis have-they are used for shooters going from building to building-Hamas may be an odious org -but they are a resistance movement against an occupying force also

          • Bert_1

            Ground piercing radar can also detect dead bodies and buried treasure. Why are there still murder victims in the US and Canada whose bodies haven’t been found or buried treasure still out there? Because you have to know approximately where what you are looking for is. You can’t simply fly over Gaza at mach 2 and map every tunnel.

            As for Israeli casualties, Israel has the Iron Dome that is capable of intercepting those rockets (almost 3,000 in July). So, few have made it through Israel’s defenses to kill anyone. But, they are all aimed at civilians.

          • Bert_1

            BTW: Hamas apparently released a video recently showing their terrorist exiting one of those tunnels and attacking an Israeli outpost. The Israelis didn’t fare very well.

            Also, Israel is not occupying Gaza. They pulled out in 2005.

        • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

          I am sorry Jim but that is a not accurate. Unless you think an entire day is not enough time.

      • jim

        How Long Does Israel’s “Knock On The Roof” Warning Give You To Save Your Child From Being Murdered?
        10-15 minutes at best!!!
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGp9x7uQuAw

    • racindavid

      YES, in fact they HAVE done EXACTLY that.

    • Bert_1

      You haven’t been following the story very carefully, have you? The Israelis phone the Gazan inhabitants and drop leaflets prior to taking out a target in a residential area. And, since pretty well every Hamas target is in a residential area, pretty well every attack is announced beforehand.

      • Yo Mamma

        No Bert. If they kill each other, I could give a rat

        • Bert_1

          You asked if Israel told the Gazans to evacuate before attacking. I replied that they did.

    • jim

      Exactly where are the Gazans to evacuate too ?
      There sealed off on all sides-Gaza is a concentration camp-the IDF its gaurds

      • Bert_1

        The south is controlled by Egypt, not Israel. And, if Egypt seals that border, you know that this isn’t a threat dreamt up by Israel.

        • jim

          The American backed Pharaoh Al sissi is to eager to keep his pockets filled with Washington’s cash -to go against the US,s or the Israeli,s wishes means to lose that cash-so yes the Gazans have NO escape route from there concentration camp

          • Bert_1

            Not true. Most Gazans can leave whenever they want. Many leave daily to work in Israel. Terrorists, on the other hand have limited mobility.

          • jim

            And your verifiable source for this info is what exactly?
            The Israeli propaganda ministry
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QorJMPtz1Fw

      • Yo Mamma

        Hit the road Jack. If there is a gun in your back. I am sure there are roads leading out of Gaza, use them.

        • jim

          There are no roads out of Gaza-the US backed pharaoh Al sissi make sure the gates on Egypts side stay firmly shut-lest he lose the large wads of cash that Washington stuffs his pockets with !!!

          • Bert_1

            I feel sorry for you, Jim. You can’t see the forest for the trees.

          • jim

            Bert -Its you I feel sorry for-you seem to ascribe more value to the lives of one set of people over another!
            Israel is committing war crimes as reported by numerous NGO,s -but the shockingly high and disproportionate death toll of a captive population seems to be perfectly acceptable to you !!!

          • Bert_1

            NO death is acceptable to me. Sometimes war is justified and sometimes it isn’t. In this case, Israel’s side is justified because they are defending themselves. The Palestinian side is not because they started the whole damned thing.

            If the terrorists would lay down their weapons, there wouldn’t be a single civilian death on either side. The “shockingly high and disproportionate death toll” is 1000% caused by the terrorists both by starting the war in the first place and hiding like a bunch of cowards behind babies.

            And, THAT pisses me off.

          • jim

            Thats a pretty lame rational to say the least -you are tarring 1.8 million people with the same brush.

            Your premise that Israel, unlike Hamas, doesn’t deliberately target civilians is false

            The Guardian newspaper: “It was there that the second [Israeli] shell hit the beach, those firing apparently adjusting their fire to target the fleeing survivors.(4 kids playing footballon the beach)
            As it exploded, journalists standing by the terrace wall shouted: ‘They are only children.'” UN high commissioner for human rights Navi Pillay: “A number of incidents, along with the high number of civilian deaths, belies the [Israeli] claim that all necessary precautions are being taken to protect civilian lives.”

            United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict, 2009: “The tactics used by the Israeli armed forces in the Gaza offensive are consistent with previous practices, most recently during the Lebanon war in 2006. A concept known as the Dahiya doctrine emerged then, involving the application of disproportionate force and the causing of great damage and destruction to civilian property and infrastructure, and suffering to civilian populations.

            The Mission concludes from a review of the facts on the ground that it.. appears to have been precisely what was put into practice.”

            Is cognitive dissonance not allowing you to absorb these facts ?

          • Bert_1

            What’s you point? I didn’t justify the killing of anyone, let alone those children on the beach. I have already said that I don’t know why they were killed. But, to say that they were purposely targeted is a stretch. Yes, it is possible that they were, and, if so, the Israelis involved should go to jail. But comments like “those firing apparently adjusting their fire to target the fleeing survivors” doesn’t help. That is an assumption on the part of the observers and may not be true.

            I already addressed the Dahiya doctrine which doesn’t say what you consistently imply it says.

          • jim

            Well according to Maj. Gen. Gadi Eizenkot in his own words
            “What happened in the Dahiya quarter of Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired on.
            We will apply disproportionate force on it and cause great damage and destruction there. From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases.

            Emphasis on the “disproportionate force on it and cause great damage and destruction there” part

          • Bert_1

            Emphasis on “infrastructure” being the target, not “civilians”. Only Hamas and other terrorist satanists purposely target civilians.

          • jim

            Jeremy Bowen, BBC Middle East editor: “I saw no evidence during my week in Gaza of Israel’s accusation that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields.”
            http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2014/07/jeremy-bowens-gaza-notebook-i-saw-no-evidence-hamas-using-palestinians-human

            The Guardian: “In the past week, the Guardian has seen large numbers of people fleeing different neighbourhoods.. and no evidence that Hamas had compelled them to stay.”
            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/22/gaza-displaced-palestinians-not-safe

            The Independent: “Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields.”
            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-the-myth-of-hamass-human-shield-9619810.html

            Reuters, 2013: “A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields.”
            http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/20/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620

            Are they ALL Liars Bert ???

          • jim

            Nathan Thrall, senior Mid East analyst at the International Crisis Group, writing in the New York Times: “The current escalation in Gaza is a direct result of the choice by Israel and the West to obstruct the implementation of the April 2014 Palestinian reconciliation agreement.”
            http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/opinion/gaza-and-israel-the-road-to-war-paved-by-the-west.html?_r=0

            Henry Siegman, former national director, American Jewish Congress, writing for Politico: “Israel’s assault on Gaza.. was not triggered by Hamas’ rockets directed at Israel but by Israel’s determination to bring down the Palestinian unity government that was formed in early June, even though that government was committed to honoring all of the conditions imposed by the international community for recognition of its legitimacy.”
            http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/israel-provoked-this-war-109229.html#.U9ToRI1dVZZ

          • Bert_1

            Opinions are a dime a dozen. There are hundreds of articles out there that claims the exact opposite.

          • jim

            Post one then !!!

          • Yo Mamma

            Seriously?

            I know there are roads out. I have been there. Civilians or soldiers that do not want to fight need to move out. Simple as that. Someone said they have been warned to clear Gaza, then I guess its time to go, just keep walking until you get to a fence, then climb over it or dig under it or flatten the fence, but move away from the conflict – This is a basic requirement and expectation of a parent. Gaza will simmer down eventually.

  • AJ Tommy Guns

    What does Geraldo have to say now?

    • Nissim Ozkaragoz

      Geraldo is eating taco right now

    • Sal

      Geraldo is a leftist, what do you expect?

  • landofaahs

    Blow the ham-asses off them.

  • Jerik Kalen

    Now there’s a journalist who’s doing his job.

    • jim

      Funny how some people will NOT believe the SAME reporter who did the “rockets”report-when his reports run counter to there own narrative !!!

      NDTV reports from Rafah in South Gaza”Its nothing short of a massacre”

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7lcNjTRSn4

      • northernwatchman

        Don’t be such a hypocrit Jim. You choose to quote liberals that support your personal opinions and disregard what you don’t find useful to your cause. Speaking of your cause, are you paid to post here? I’m retired and a fan of Glenn, I don’t agree with everything he says or does but I’ve seen you trying your best the past couple of days to anger everyone you can. Your self-righteous liberal theology will not win any friends or convert anyone to your camp, so why are you here Jim?
        I pray that God open your eyes and gie you a new perspective and I would suggest that others that you anger start praying the same for you.

        • yourpaled

          If in fact the original report was the truth, you may have a point. I guess you would believe if Beck pulled a rabbit out of a hat too, just because you see him do it. To me that report is a staged delusion.

        • jim

          It has nothing to do with being politically pro “Left” or pro “Right”
          This has to do with -right and wrong -plain and simple!
          And the collective punishment of an occupied 1.8 million captive population in that open air prison called Gaza-Is plain WRONG

          If you cant see that -or you believe one group of peoples lives are worth more than another s-then I pity you -for you have no humanity

          It is against the International Laws of war and the Geneva conventions! collective punishment is a war crime -pure and simple!
          To support it -is to be a party to it !

          • northernwatchman

            You did not answer my question Jim – how can you afford to spend so much time on this site? Are you paid to spend your days trying to delude and deceive as many supporters of Israel as you can? You persuade no one, you spout liberal revisionist history like it is fact quoting those who agree with your world view to destroy the support for Israel. In the end, your intellect and you humanity will not save you from what is coming upon the earth. What is written will come to pass and I pray that God will be merciful to you and grant you a change of heart. The conflict with Gaza is not going to end because Hamas does not want it to and if you bless Israel, you will be blessed but if you continue to curse Israel, you will be cursed. You can’t escape that truth with psuedo-intellectual arguments designed to distract, delude, deceive and destroy. God open your eyes to the spirit you are serving and grant you a change of heart.

          • jim

            please save your dispensationalist nonsense for the wacko,s- it has about as much relevance as Harry potter!
            Supporting collective punishment,apartheid and ethnic cleansing is about as immoral and as low as it gets!

          • jim

            Says the hypocrite that supports collective punishment,apartheid and ethnic cleansing with glee !

            Israel is headed down the same road as Apartheid South Africa!
            Btw -answer me this
            (preferably coherently-and without the use of religious mumbo jumbo)
            Can Israel be both Jewish and democratic ?— i.e. Can a state which grants legal privileges to some and denies rights to others based on religious affiliation or descent – be considered a democracy. ?

  • Yo Mamma

    This is bad. Yes bad for Hamas.

    But I would like to see a journalist film Catholic priests and their congregation, setting up watering holes for illegals crossing the border and not to forget, giving out maps to show them how to get across. Now that would be a journalist in America

    • AmericanIrish

      Again with the Catholics ?!!

      • Yo Mamma

        U prefer the irish

        Irsh, don’t get so bent outa shape we me my ladie, its no my people breaking the law. If you so admire your religion, DO SOMETHING TO STOP them breaking the law.

        That simple. I could even turn it into a limerick if it makes you understand the issue

        • AmericanIrish

          Actually , my preference is to stick to the topic at hand. Today’s topic is Hamas and Israel. Last time I checked, that meant Muslims and Jews. Try to focus

          • Yo Mamma

            Actually ,the story is about a reporter sticking his neck out to tell the story. A real story. Like there are many reporters in America that do not – That is the story. Try to focus

          • AmericanIrish

            Whatever you say. ..

          • jim
    • jim

      How about this little tidbit about illegal immigrants-

      As Israel Rains Death upon Gaza, US Zionist Groups Demand America Absorbs Illegal Immigrant Invasion
      Thus the extreme hypocrisy of the Zionist organizations in America—on the one hand, they demand that America be opened up to all Third World illegal immigrants in a spirit of “welcoming the stranger”—but on the other hand, openly support the racially discriminatory immigration policies of Israel, and that state’s policy of “bombing the stranger.”

      http://newobserveronline.com/as-israel-rains-death-upon-gaza-us-zionist-groups-demand-america-absorbs-illegal-immigrant-invasion/

  • Pearls to Swine

    Glenn I usually agree with most of your points, but let me just explain to you, that the reason the Germans were ok after the Nazi’s were gone is because Nazi’sim is not a religion. Islam on the other hand IS a “religion” and the very beliefs that fuel Hamas come from the same book that all the Muslims read. So please get it out of your head that the Palestinians are like the Germans. They are not. Its worse than that.

    • Keli Grantham Steadham

      If a person claims to be of the Islamic faith, then they, presumably, follow the quran. And if they follow the quran, they believe in killing anyone who doesn’t believe as they do. I don’t understand how anyone can think this is a religion of peace…….that’s one of the things I disagreed with Bush about.

      • hookumsnivy

        I disagree. As with any group, there are good people and bad people. It all depends on your moral compass. The quran isn’t the only religious text with despicable instructions.
        I know good people who are Muslim and I have met some not so good people who are Muslim.

      • jim

        All organised religions have there fair share of barbarisms
        In the interest of balance some Quotes from the Talmud
        “It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile.”
        – Sepher ikkarim III c 25

        “It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah.”
        – Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5

        “A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands.”
        – Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b

        “Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God.”
        – Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772

    • jim

      Ditto for the Zionists !Lol

  • geekybryan

    The simple truth is that until the Palestinian people get tired of Hamas or until the whole territory is brought under marshall law by Israel or an outside 3rd party, this will continue. If the Palestinian people are smart, they will stop supporting the efforts of Hamas and others like them. Had the Italians halted Mussolini, or the Germans stopped Hitler, then the allies would not have had to. But, they didn’t … and the rest is a hard lesson for the world. People like this must be forcefully and abruptly stopped, whether it be by those who partially agree with their ideology but not necessarily their methods, or by those who totally disagree. Either way, the solution is the same. The question is, for all sides, how many innocents must die before someone has the resolve to stop it?

    • solos42

      But, but, Pres Carter says they are legit

  • Jim

    Why are the faces of the terrorists blurred out?

    • Bert_1

      Probably because they are just “alleged” terrorists until their bodies can be found at the bottom of an Israeli constructed crater.

  • Lee in Phoenix

    The only thing that surprises me is that Glenn is surprised by any of this. He should stop feeling sorry the Gaza people and illegal immigrants. His love of the bad guys is getting a bit tiresome.

  • http://j.mp/1rGn9bs Truth Happens

    Sreenivasan Jain needs our prayers. Gutsy guy.

  • Richard

    Hello OBAMA’S 1/2 Brother is one of these HAMAS TERRIORIST’S and Glenn these TERRIORIST will use what ever they have to fight ISREAL and now this TREASONESS OBAMA has put ISRAEL in a NO FLY ZONE YOU can see the ROCKETS by the APARMENTS where PEOPLE are Still OBAMA does NOTHING OBAMA is the NEW HITLER and e and his PUPPET’S in Washington need to be REMOVED NOW

  • hurricanepaul

    You need to change the headline.

    REMOVE the word “appears”.

    HAMAS CAUGHT ON CAMERA — SETTING UP & FIRING ROCET NEXT TO HOTEL

  • Leslie Hoops-Wallace

    Why are the evil doers blurred out? Need to make sure everyone knows who they are so maybe someone there can take them out!

    • jim

      I didn’t see any Israeli baby killers in the video either !Lol

  • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

    But I thought liberals said that was a lie.

    • jim

      NDTV Srinivasan Jain reports from Rafah in South Gaza
      “Its nothing short of a Massacre-entire family’s have been wiped out”
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7lcNjTRSn4

      • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway
        • jim

          Lol-You are seriously going to use pro Zionist Breitbart as an unbiased source !!! I

          International human rights organizations that have investigated these claims have determined that they are not true.
          https://www.amnesty.org/fr/library/asset/MDE15/021/2009/fr/9543003e-8282-4a1c-b4c9-bfc4743dc131/mde150212009eng.html
          In fact, only Israeli soldiers have systematically used Palestinians as human shields. Since Israel’s incursion into the West Bank in 2002, it has used Palestinians as human shields by tying young Palestinians onto the hoods of their cars or forcing them to go first into a home where potential gunfire may come from

          http://www.hrw.org/news/2010/11/26/israel-soldiers-punishment-using-boy-human-shield-inadequate

          Israel: Soldiers’ Punishment for Using Boy as ‘Human Shield’ Inadequate
          Two Sergeants Demoted and Given Suspended Sentences

          • Bert_1

            The amnesty article does not support your claim that Israel’s claims are untrue. The HRW article proves that Israel does not use Palestinians as human shields. Anyone who does will be prosecuted. When was the last time you came across a terrorist who was prosecuted for using Palestinians as human shields?

          • jim

            The HRW article explicitly states that two Israel: Soldiers’ were punished for Using a Palestinian child as ‘a Human Shield
            How exactly does that not support my claim ???

          • Bert_1

            The Amnesty article has nothing in it to support your claims and the HRW article shows that if any Israeli soldier does use anyone as a human shield, s/he will be punished (unlike our terrorist friends) because it it against regulations.

          • jim

            Never the less it does illustrate that using Palestinian CHILDREN as human sheilds does go on within the IDF verifiable at least -unlike your claims !

          • Bert_1

            There has never been a war or a battle in human history in which atrocities were not committed by both sides. That is true of the conflict we are discussing.

            Do individuals within the IDF use Palestinians as human shields? Apparently, yes.

            Are they prosecuted for those crimes? Yes.

            Do Hamas terrorists use human shields? Yes.

            Are they prosecuted for their crimes? No, they are celebrated.

            See the difference?

          • jim

            Oh well at least you have acknowledged that IDF soldiers have used Palestinian children as human shields !

          • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

            Really amnesty.org might as well get your sorce from HAMAS Nazis and Iran, .

          • jim

            Thats a bit rich coming from someone-that doesn’t source many of his claims !
            But I guess Israeli talking points are based on little evidence anyway!

  • HisPurpose

    Spread it everywhere, videos go viral everyday.

  • pfiffi43

    Not shocking to me at all. Remember Saddam Hussein? He did the same thing as Hamas. We, in the West are trying to avoid civilian casualties, as did the Israelis when they warned the Palestinian population of an imminent attack. But the Muslims do not care who gets killed. They want civilian collateral damage to be high, so the
    world opinion is turning in their favor. It works, the same way the lies of the Democrats turn this countries’ population against the Republicans. Remember the phrase “I heard it through the grape vine”. As long as there is no proof evil will keep on lying. Now, that we have the proof it should be on display everywhere. Sadly,
    they all will insist that it is a fabricated story. It is easier to swallow a lie than to admit that evil exists.

    • jim

      Warn of an imminent attack -your having a laugh aren’t you ?
      Israel ‘Roof Knocking’ Video Raises Question: Warning Or Human Rights Violation?
      While the term conjures an image of Israeli soldiers going door to door and advising civilians to leave, the practice instead involves the IDF hitting a building with a smaller missile as a warning only moments before the target is obliterated.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waSPsI9-ge8

      • Bert_1

        Would you want to be tasked with going door to door in a neighborhood where you know there are terrorists who want to kill you?

        • jim

          Its a concentration camp Bert _Im sure the Nazis called the resistance in the Warsaw Ghetto much the same thing as terrorists !

          • Bert_1

            It’s not a concentration camp. It is the result of a constant threat from terrorists that force the Israelis to tightly control what goes into and comes out of Gaza. It is estimated that the terrorists have 10,000 rockets at their disposal right now. How many would they have if Israel didn’t control access to Gaza? And please don’t compare this to what the Nazis did. It just undermines your credibility and you were making some good arguments.

          • jim

            Semantics- Bert -the entire world (outside the US) knows its a concentration camp and the Israeli,s are committing war crimes by inflicting collective punishment on a captive civilian population of 1.8 million people -50% of whom are children under 14

            Israel accused of war crimes (UK Parliament)

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJWNE83j__k&list=PLV-C8la6X1by1XV7xihPcl1I2SX4hOvRa

          • Bert_1

            Israel is always accused of war crimes, even when those crimes are perpetrated by Hamas.

            In a concentration camp, you are not permitted to leave except, in some cases, under armed guard. That isn’t the case with Gaza. If the Gazans want to leave, they can. They are not imprisoned there.

            It is interesting that you mention the demographics (I heard 60% children, but whatever). Many people accuse the Israelis of purposely attacking civilians. If that was true, you would expect to see a much higher percentage of deaths being children – at least 50% to 60%. But the number of children killed is around 25% of the total. That tells me that Israel is trying to avoid civilian deaths.

            At the same time, deaths of 18-26 year old males – who make up the smallest demographic – are the largest group of dead Palestinians. Doesn’t that tell you something?

          • jim

            Yes it tells me the Israelis are committing war crimes by murdering 1800 + civilians
            I never took you for a supporter of apartheid,ethnic cleansing and collective punishment Bert ?
            you seem such a reasonable chap!
            GAZA 2014 | Jon Snow ‘annihilates’ Israeli spokesperson Mark Regev on war crimes allegations
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_-76H-YRjs&list=PLV-C8la6X1by1XV7xihPcl1I2SX4hOvRa&index=2

          • Bert_1

            If Israel was targeting Palestinian civilians, there would be 10’s of thousands of them dead if not more. How many civilians were killed by the Allies during WWII? Were those deaths war crimes?

          • jim

            So now you are trying to justify the mass killing of civilians a large number of which are children by invoking parallels with WW2 that have no comparison to this particular situation
            This is disproportionate force being inflicted by an occupier on the occupied!
            Your argument does not hold water !

          • Bert_1

            Wow, Jim! You’re getting desperate!

            I am not justifying killing at all. I used the WWII example to show what actually happens when civilians are targeted in war (there is no where near the death toll in Gaza as in WWII in spite of the more effective weapons available to Israel). I also asked you if the purposeful targeting of civilians by the Allies constituted a war crime.

          • jim

            Targetting civilians is a war crime regardless who does it.

          • Bert_1

            Exactly what I have been saying all along about Hamas. Israel is arguably targeting military targets. The civilian casualties are as a result of the civilians being so close to those targets. Not the same thing. As I have said repeatedly, if Israel was targeting civilians, there would be a significantly higher body count.

          • jim

            Funny how some of my responses keep on disappearing(there all quite civil)?
            Is Mr Beck practicing censorship perhaps !!!

          • jim

            All that proves to me is that you and Israel have NO regard for the loss of innocent Palestinian lives-it is totally out of proportion -it is collective punishment masquerading as self defense -and a war crime!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi4uNBOFbic

          • jim

            I don’t recall a situation in WW2- when a native population was forced out there homes to go live in a huge concentration camp nearby-while there oppressors went about squatting there land and homes to claim as there own-and who then later decide to bomb the S… out that captive refugee population with state of the art weaponry-because they claim the refugees are getting a bit to uppity !

            Oh wait a minute Bert ! -one situation does come to mind -and may indeed draw a parallel from WW2-
            It is the Warsaw ghetto uprising !

          • Bert_1

            1) There is no concentration camp. I know that you liken Gaza to a concentration camp, but its inhabitants are free to leave when they want, so it is not a prison.

            2) In WWII, no warning of an attack was given. The cities were leveled with people at home and great loss of life.

            3) you are being nonsensical. If there are issues with the settlements – and there are – then work them out. Israel is not stealing land.

          • jim

            Free to come and go as they please -your joking Bert aren’t you !
            The only legal ways in and out of Gaza are through its official border crossings with Israel and Egypt. Gaza has little control over those crossings, and both of its neighbors have severely restricted the movement of people and goods across the borders

            Israel controls the Erez border crossing in Gaza’s north. Since Hamas was voted into power in Gaza in 2006, Israel only grants Gaza residents permission to cross in certain circumstances, usually for humanitarian reasons such as medical treatment. At the start of the current round of fighting, Israeli authorities did permit hundreds of Gazans holding foreign passports to leave the strip through the Erez crossing.-but the locals were trapped!

          • jim

            Best tell that to the UK prime minister Bert-he seems to think Gaza is an open air prison

            UK Prime Minister David Cameron has condemned the blockade of the Gaza Strip, describing the territory as a “prison camp”

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-10778110

            As for WW2 one wrong does not justify another- Bert!

            It is against international law to ethnically cleanse and annex land that has been conquered during a time of war -no matter how you want to paint it-Israel is now larger than the territory that was recognized by the UN in 1948

          • jim

            Bert-calls for genocide are entering the Israeli mainstream as we write
            Moshe Feiglin, a deputy speaker of the Israeli parliament and a member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party, urged the Israeli army to kill Palestinians in Gaza indiscriminately and use every means possible to get them to leave:

            The member of Knesset who called for genocide — against the mothers of Gaza
            http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/knesset-genocide-against.html
            Mordechai Kedar, a lecturer on Arabic literature at Bar Ilan University, believes the sisters and mothers of Palestinian “terrorists” should be raped: –

            If a politician committed incitement to genocide in any other country -they would be sacked and hauled in front of a court!

            but such is the hate and blood-lust for A-rabs in Israeli society-that they will probably just get more votes!!!

            http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2014-07-21/calls-for-genocide-enter-israeli-mainstream/
            http://www.jonathan-cook.net/b

  • racindavid

    Where’s a good sniper when you need one ?

    • jim

      Is this the sniper your talking of -one that shoots 13 children in Gaza and then boast about it on twitter ?

  • AmericanIrish

    Good article. Just as we already knew. But is anyone else tired of Glenn patting himself on the back for reporting things ? Enough already. ..

  • yourpaled

    Hard to tell, but I didn’t see any rockets being fired. The smoke suggests if a rocket was fired, it was probably no bigger than a fireworks rocket. Come on people, these rockets are supposed to travel quite a few miles and their size should be accordingly big. Also with the explosives being carried one would expect to see clearly quite a size of a rocket. Where are the rocket launchers?

    • Bert_1

      I’ve never seen a fireworks rocket make that much smoke or noise. But, some of these rockets aren’t all that big so I am not surprised that we didn’t see it.

  • Paules

    I think what is more disturbing, is that they didn’t do anything. If I have learned anything from serving in Iraq, is that they don’t care. They are not going to stand up to Hamas, Sudam Hussain, or any other group or person that wants to control them, or their country. Who is to say that that rocket couldn’t have killed someone. They just let it happen! I can tell you this, someone sets up a tent next to where I’m staying running wires in the ground. Their gonna meet me and my AR.

    • Bert_1

      I don’t normally get into religion on sites like this because it can cause all kinds of problems, but Islam teaches total obedience. So, something that you or I would think is totally unacceptable could be deemed fine by someone who is taught their entire lives that they must not rock the boat.

  • Dale_G1

    I’ll let the cartoon I’ve captioned speak for me.

    • jim

      The Israeli Generals son -says it all

      • Bert_1

        Pro-Hamas or Pro-PA.

        • jim

          Pro life -anti collective punishment (regardless of who it is committed against!)

          • Bert_1

            I am solidly pro-life and anti-collective punishment as well. But, I don’t see that happening here. The terrorists hide in civilian areas and civilians die when Israel takes them out. That is not punishing the civilians.

          • jim

            there are over 1800 civilians dead (mainly women and children)there are 60+ on the Israeli side -3 of them were Civilians the rest were SOLDIERS !!!
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_-76H-YRjs&index=2&list=PLV-C8la6X1by1XV7xihPcl1I2SX4hOvRa

          • Bert_1

            So, Israel has a much better defense system. Which would make you wonder what idiot would attack Israel in the first place…

          • jim

            Yes who would attack a country that has threatened to Nuke the world !

            The Samson Option, Israel’s Threat to Take Down the World With It –
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYAT5dJ2MAA

          • Bert_1

            That’s just a red herring, Jim. You can do better than that.

          • jim

            It shows you the nature of this Lunatic state !

            In 2003, a military historian, Martin van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst’s The Gun and the Olive Branch (2003)and a dutch mag called Elsevier as saying:

            We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: ‘Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.’ I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

          • Bert_1

            In military terms, that is called “Sabre rattling”. Both Russia and the US have the nuclear capability to destroy the world many times over. They even came up with a fancy term for their posturing: MAD – Mutually Assured Destruction. It is standard military procedures to be ready for anything. Hell, I bet that Canada has a military plan to fight off an invasion by the US. Is that likely to happen? No. If it did, would Canada be very successful is beating the US? No. But the plan most likely does exist.

            Don’t forget that Israel is TINY nation and has many nasty neighbors. They have to have the capability to take on all comers. Few people in the world at the time expected Israel to survive the 1948 war when she was attacked by 4 established nations. But, she won.

          • jim

            When has a so called ally proclaimed that they have nukes pointed at your capitol city s(EU)
            Besides the Israelis have a history of false flag operations
            The Lavon affair and the USS liberty come to mind !

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLr9fjg6cmM

          • Bert_1

            Where do you think the nukes in other countries are aimed?

            The USS Liberty was agreed to have been a mistake by both sides. The ship apparently wasn’t where the Israelis understood it was going to be and mistook it for an Egyptian ship. Stuff like that happens in a war zone.

          • jim

            But nobody actually uses the threat of nuclear blackmail do they ?

          • Bert_1

            What do you think MAD was?

          • jim

            That was two mutual enemies not so called allies
            Bert do you honestly believe that the Israeli,s couldnt see the Huge US flag flying on the USS liberty !
            All the survivors said it was a deliberate Israeli attack that lasted hours-complete with Israeli torpedo gunships-They were close enough to see each other -but you claim to believe it was a mistake !
            Cmon Bert -your having a laugh !!!
            “History Counts'” guest James Ennes was an officer on board the USS Liberty when it was attacked by Israeli planes and torpedo boats on June 8, 1967 and gives a detailed eyewitness account of the attack and its aftermath.. He is the author of “Assault on the Liberty”.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF_6k1c_0ds

          • Bert_1

            And you don’t think that both the US and Russia have at least a few nukes aimed at EU cities?

            Beside, Israel didn’t blackmail anyone. Just because someone makes a statement, that doesn’t mean that that is the policy of the state. Many generals for many different countries have made statements that either they wish they hadn’t or were calculated to get some sort of a result.

          • jim

            No it wasn’t- the survivors all said that it was a deliberate attack that was covered up by the Johnson administration
            Try watching what Ernie gallo a survivor has to say about that !!!

          • jim

            Is that so-these israeli,s begs to differ as regards the 6 day war

            General Mattitiahu Peled, Chief Quartermaster-General’s Branch, Israeli Defence Forces, General Staff:

            “All those stories about the huge danger we were facing because of our small territorial size, an argument expounded once the war was over, had never been considered our calculations prior to the unleashing of hostilities. While we proceeded towards the full mobilization of our forces, no person in his right mind could believe that all this force was necessary to our defence against the Egyptian threat. To pretend that the Egyptian forces concentrated on our borders were capable of threatening Israel’s existence does not only insult the intelligence of any person capable of analyzing this kind of situation, but is primarily an insult to the Israeli army.”
            (Le Monde, June 3, 1972)

            Mordechai Bentov, Minister of Housing:

            “The entire story of the danger of extermination was invented in every detail, and exaggerated a posteriori to justify the annexation of new Arab territory.”
            (, April 14, 1971)

            General Chaim Herzog, Commanding General and first Military Govemor, Israeli Occupied West Bank:

            “There was no danger of annihilation. Israeli headquarters never believed in this danger. ”
            (Ma’ ariv, April 4, 1972)

            General Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Staff, Israeli Defence Forces:

            “I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent into Sinai on May 14 would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it.”
            (Le Monde, February 28, 1968 )

          • Bert_1

            Of course they weren’t part of their calculations. What military strategist in their right mind would approach a looming threat by listing all the ways that they can’t win? They have to assume that they could take on the US military and the Russians combined. Otherwise, they are doomed to failure.

          • jim

            Bert are you one these people waiting for the “Rapture” ?

          • Bert_1

            Nope.

          • jim

            Hamas is cowardly and cynical, Israel says, hiding among children playing football on the beach or in ambulances rushing to help civilians we have bombed.

            They hid at the El-Wafa hospital.
            They hid at the Al-Aqsa hospital.
            They hid at the beach, where children played football.
            They hid at the yard of 75-year-old Muhammad Hamad.
            They hid among the residential quarters of Shujaya.
            They hid in the neighbourhoods of Zaytoun and Toffah.
            They hid in Rafah and Khan Younis.
            They hid in the home of the Qassan family.
            They hid in the home of the poet, Othman Hussein.
            They hid in the village of Khuzaa.
            They hid in the thousands of houses damaged or destroyed.
            They hid in 84 schools and 23 medical facilities.
            They hid in a cafe, where Gazans were watching the World Cup.
            They hid in the ambulances trying to retrieve the injured.
            They hid themselves in 24 corpses, buried under rubble.
            They hid themselves in a young woman in pink household slippers, sprawled on the pavement, taken down while fleeing.
            They hid themselves in two brothers, eight and four, lying in the intensive burn care unit in Al-Shifa.
            They hid themselves in the little boy whose parts were carried away by his father in a plastic shopping bag.
            They hid themselves in the “incomparable chaos of bodies” arriving at Gaza hospitals.
            They hid themselves in an elderly woman, lying in a pool of blood on a stone floor.
            They hid themselves in a UN school where civilians were sheltering from our shells and bombs.
            Hamas, Israel tells us, is cowardly and cynical.

          • Bert_1

            First, Hamas does hide its weapons in many of those places. Second, this is war and mistakes can and will be made.

          • jim

            Really -so They hid in 84 schools and 23 medical facilities.?
            They hid at the beach, where children played football.(were the rockets under the football perhaps)
            Where is your evidence -verifiable sources etc?
            repeating Israeli hasbara talking points does not really qualify as evidence !

          • Bert_1

            Again, that is where Hamas stores their weapons. If Hamas stored their weapons in military facilities like civilized people, there wouldn’t be a single civilian casualty except for possibly a few accidental deaths as what happens in these things.

          • jim

            Bert your starting to sound like an apologist for Israeli war crimes-what about the 4 kids playing football on the beach that were shelled next to a host of international journalists-or the recent shelling of a UN shelter that killed scores-were they there also-I would have thought any rational person would be against collective punishment !!!
            Do you not wonder why so many country’s are cancelling contracts or recalling Ambassadors from Israel-Not to mention the worldwide BDS campaign against Israel!-Is most the planet wrong in there assessment of Israeli disproportionality
            even the Israelis know what there doing is wrong

            Israel bans radio advert listing names of children killed in Gaza
            Human rights group B’Tselem will petition Israel’s supreme court after advert was deemed to be ‘politically controversial’
            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/24/israel-bans-radio-advert-listing-names-children-killed-gaza

          • Bert_1

            I’m not 100% sure what happened there. My understanding is that Israel was – just like in every other case – targeting Hamas weapons caches. Exactly where those caches were, I’m not sure but they were supposed to be somewhere on that beach. How Israel could have screwed up like that and take out the children, I don’t know. Possibly weapons aim/strike latency?

            Also, you should know that Israel was blamed for killing, I believe, 10 Palestinians, including a number of children, when they hit a hospital and a park nearby. However, it turned out that it was a Hamas rocket that hit the hospital and killed those people, not the Israelis.

            And, I am against collective punishment. If there was a shred of evidence to suggest that that is what is going on, I would be at the head of the pack in condemning Israel. But, I can’t see that.

            Plus, as I said, if the terrorists would store their weapons in a military facility, this wouldn’t happen. Not too many children play soccer on a military facility.

          • jim

            And your verifiable source for this is ?
            its a sad thing to be an apologist for collective punishment-the figures speak for themselves 1800+ civilians versus 57 soldiers and 3 Israeli civilians!
            If that isnt a disproportionate response -I dont know what is!

          • Bert_1

            You really aren’t open to the truth, are you? If the terrorists stored their weapons in a military facility the way the Israelis and every other civilized state does, there would be zero civilian casualties. Yet, you still accuse them of collective punishment. Hamas controls the number of civilian casualties far more than the Israelis do.

          • jim

            The only reports I can find or see to back up your claim of a Hamas missile hitting a hospital and killing women and children is from the IDF
            Excuse me if I don’t take there word for it !
            Provide an unbiased verifiable source and maybe Ill believe it
            You cant whitewash those numbers no matter how much you claim to the contrary

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z4TvDbffI0#!

          • Bert_1

            For what? Where the Hamas terrorists store their weapons? The UN inspectors already reported that they were in the UN schools. What else do you need?

          • jim

            For the Hamas missile landing on a hospital!
            That report !

          • Bert_1

            I honestly don’t remember where I came across that one. I’ll have to look.

            Regardless, even if it was Israel, that doesn’t change the argument. Hamas stores their weapons and personnel in hospitals, schools, etc. That has been proven by the UN so it is no longer just the IDF providing proof. So, it is the Hamas terrorists who are making those facilities legitimate military targets, not the Israelis.

          • jim

            I have no love for the odious Hamas but Israel has yet to prove that Hamas has used civilian infrastructure to store military weapons. The two cases where Hamas indeed stored weapons in UNRWA schools, the schools were empty. UNRWA discovered the rockets and publicly condemned the violation of its sanctity.

            International human rights organizations that have investigated these claims have determined that they are not true.

            In fact, only Israeli soldiers have systematically used Palestinians as human shields. Since Israel’s incursion into the West Bank in 2002, it has used Palestinians as human shields by tying young Palestinian children onto the hoods of their cars or forcing them to go into buildings first-in case of errant gunfire

          • Bert_1

            You aren’t going to give up on Hamas, are you? You would rather side with the devil himself than to admit that Israel isn’t half as bad as you insist.

          • jim

            Look-the precarious and unstable conditions in the Gaza Strip from which Palestinians suffer are Israel’s responsibility. Israel argues that it can invoke the right to self-defense under international law as defined in Article 51 of the UN Charter.

            The International Court of Justice, however, rejected this faulty legal interpretation in its 2004 Advisory Opinion. The ICJ explained that an armed attack that would trigger Article 51 must be attributable to a sovereign state, but the armed attacks by Palestinians emerge from within Israel’s jurisdictional control.

            Israel does have the right to defend itself against rocket attacks, but it must do so in accordance with occupation law and not other laws of war. Occupation law ensures greater protection for the civilian population. The other laws of war balance military advantage and civilian suffering. The statement that “no country would tolerate rocket fire from a neighboring country” is therefore both a diversion and baseless.

          • Bert_1

            Israel doesn’t occupy Gaza.

            You are correct in stating that the statement that “no country would tolerate rocket fire from a neighboring country” is incorrect since there is no country in Gaza. However, every country does have the right to defend itself from attack regardless of where that attack originates. The entire war on terror is based upon that premise.

          • jim

            That is a false narrative also -Israel argues that its occupation of the Gaza Strip ended with the unilateral withdrawal of its settler population in 2005. It then declared the Gaza Strip to be “hostile territory” and declared war against its population. Neither the argument nor the statement is tenable.

            Despite removing 8,000 settlers and the military infrastructure that protected their illegal presence, Israel maintained effective control of the Gaza Strip and thus remains the occupying power as defined by Article 47 of the Hague Regulations. To date, Israel maintains control of the territory’s air space, territorial waters, electromagnetic sphere, population registry and the movement of all goods and people.

          • Bert_1

            Israel does NOT exercise control over the Gaza Strip, just over what enters and leaves. And, if the terrorists would stop building munitions to attack Israel with, that whole thing would stop too. But, you can’t or won’t see that. If a child adopts a defensive posture to ward off blows from another child, you claim that the defensive posture is, itself, an offensive gesture. Get a grip. This whole thing is completely, utterly, unabashedly, totally, unarguably, disgustingly, inhumanely the fault of the terrorists. Stop them and everything else goes away. Everything.

          • jim

            What you cant or wont see is -that the entire 1.8 million prisoners of concentration camp Gaza are NOT all members of Hamas -and yet you insist theire lives can be taken with a flippant Oh well its war -It is not war -it is a turkey shoot !!!

          • jim

            Israel argues that the withdrawal from Gaza demonstrates that ending the occupation will not bring peace. Some have gone so far as to say that Palestinians squandered their opportunity to build heaven in order to build a terrorist haven instead.

            These arguments aim to obfuscate Israel’s responsibilities in the Gaza Strip, as well as the West Bank. As Netanyahu once explained, Israel must ensure that it does not “get another Gaza in Judea and Samaria…. I think the Israeli people understand now what I always say: that there cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the River Jordan.”

            Palestinians have yet to experience a day of self-governance. Israel immediately imposed a siege upon the Gaza Strip when Hamas won parliamentary elections in January 2006 and tightened it severely when Hamas routed Fatah in June 2007. The siege has created a “humanitarian catastrophe” in the Gaza Strip. Inhabitants will not be able to access clean water, electricity or tend to even the most urgent medical needs. The World Health Organization explains that the Gaza Strip will be unlivable by 2020. Not only did Israel not end its occupation, it has created a situation in which Palestinians cannot survive in the long-term.

          • Bert_1

            I have never claimed that ending occupation will bring peace (I have, however, stated many times the exact opposite) and that is one of the reasons I support Israel’s occupation of the West Bank. Have said, repeatedly, that if the Palestinians get rid of their terrorists, there will be peace – and an end to occupation, blockades and every other mechanism Israel is forced to implement in order to protect her citizens from harm.

            Hamas has in their publicly available charter the professed goal of the destruction of Israel. Don’t you think it prudent for them to tighten controls on the import and export capabilities of a people sworn to kill them? Yes, it causes a humanitarian disaster, but that disaster is caused by Hamas’s insistence on the destruction of Israel. In spite of that blockade, Hamas has 10,000 rockets ready to go against Israel. How many would they have if Israel DIDN’T control the borders?

          • jim

            Times of Israel: “Hamas operatives were behind a large volley of rockets which slammed into Israel Monday morning, the first time in years the Islamist group has directly challenged the Jewish state, according to Israeli defense officials.. The security sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, assessed that Hamas had probably launched the barrage in revenge for an Israeli airstrike several hours earlier which killed one person and injured three more.. Hamas hasn’t fired rockets into Israel since Operation Pillar of Defense ended in November 2012.”
            http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-fired-rockets-for-first-time-since-2012-israeli-officials-say/

          • Bert_1

            OK, so one person thinks that the barrage of rockets was in retaliation for earlier bombing. I, and millions of others, disagree.

          • jim

            That cognitive dissonance is starting to affect your critical faculty’s Bert !
            Its an article from the Times of Israel not an Op ed !
            Or is an article from an Israeli Newspaper not to be believed either ?

          • Bert_1

            It is one article in one newspaper. Unlike in Hamas controlled Gaza, if an Israeli thinks that his/her government is doing something wrong, s/he can write about it publicly without fear of being murdered by that government.

          • jim

            Lol-so now you doubt the Israeli press also -because it does not fit your narrative -Figures!
            Btw Bert it may surprise you to learn that nearly the entire planet thinks Israel is using grossly disproportionate force.
            That is why numerous country’s have recalled ambassadors and cancelled contracts with the apartheid state of Israel
            You sir are most definitely in the minority- world wide

          • jim

            US State Department cable: “Israeli officials have confirmed to Embassy officials on multiple occasions that they intend to keep the Gazan economy functioning at the lowest level possible consistent with avoiding a humanitarian crisis.. Israeli officials have confirmed.. on multiple occasions that they intend to keep the Gazan economy on the brink of collapse without quite pushing it over the edge.”
            http://www.aftenposten.no/spesial/wikileaksdokumenter/article3972840.ece#.U9ThOI1dVZY

            The Guardian: “The Israeli military made precise calculations of Gaza’s daily calorie needs to avoid malnutrition during a blockade imposed on the Palestinian territory between 2007 and mid-2010, according to files the defence ministry released on Wednesday under a court order.. The Israeli advocacy group Gisha.. waged a long court battle to release the document. Its members say Israel calculated the calorie needs for Gaza’s population so as to restrict the quantity of food it allowed in.”
            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/17/israeli-military-calorie-limit-gaza

          • jim

            Israel is an apartheid state-its not a democracy in any sense of the western word!
            “When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
            “Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.” Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

          • Bert_1

            So, you can’t fly the collective punishment flag any more so you try the apartheid flag? Come on, Jim. You know that Israel is a democracy and that they only want to live in peace. You are just afraid to admit that for some reason.

          • jim

            Lol-nothing you have said can justify the collective punishment meted out by the Israeli,s on a captive noncombatant civilian population of 1.8 million people
            The majority of the planet recognizes that …

            Article II(a)(ii): “By the infliction upon the members of a racial group or groups of serious bodily or mental harm, by the infringement of their freedom or dignity, or by subjecting them to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment” Article II(a)(iii): “By arbitrary arrest and illegal imprisonment of the members of a racial group or groups”

            From Israel’s record:

            “In the Occupied Palestinian Territories, cruel methods are employed to ‘exhaust’ the communities, exploit and subjugate them, make life so unbearable that Palestinians will leave or communities be destroyed, including evidence of ethnic cleansing methods, and evidence of intention to destroy the population at least in part (i.e. genocide).”

            “(Israel practices) mass arbitrary arrests, systematic ill treatment and return to torture methods prohibited by the 1999 Israeli High Court decision.”
            Israel government ‘tortures’ children by keeping them in cages, human rights group says

            http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israel-admits-ethiopian-women-were-given-birth-control-shots.premium-1.496519

          • Bert_1

            I have never even tried to justify collective punishment. Hell, if there is any collective punishment going on, it is by the Hamas terrorists who specifically and purposely target Israel civilians. The fact that Israel is successful in thwarting their efforts doesn’t change the fact that that is what the are doing.

            If the terrorists would stop attacking Israel, there would be no occupation, no blockades, just peace.

          • jim

            But you support the disproportionate attacks-yes ?
            (The entire population of Gaza are NOT members of Hamas)

            From Israel’s record:

            “(There are) Israeli policies and methods designed to impoverish the Palestinians (more than 1 million under poverty line) and strangulate their economy; through movement restrictions denying or hindering access to humanitarian aid and assistance, food and water, medical supplies and aid, hospitals, work and education. Concerns as to starvation in some areas; illegal control and exploitation of Palestinian natural resources (including water) and tourism. Women and children have been particularly affected by lack of access to humanitarian aid, including prevention of access to pre natal, and post natal care; and access to immunisation/health services for children.”

            “(Israel conducts) military attacks on civilians, including those amounting to grave breaches of the Fourth Geneva Convention (namely war crimes) and systematic gross violations of human rights and humanitarian law. Evidence of systematic ethnic cleansing methods and the intention to destroy at least in part the population –

            Heavy weaponry normally used in full combat warfare is being used against a Palestinian civilian population in situations where there is no military or security need (including civilians in homes, schools, workplaces, hospitals, field clinics, ambulances). A disproportionate number of women and children have been killed and injured, as have clearly-marked medical personnel, human rights defenders and journalists have also been attacked. Crimes perpetrated by Israelis against Palestinians are usually inadequately investigated or prosecuted, and there is a bias in sentencing of Palestinians. Military courts apply the ‘justice’ in the OPTs and do not comply with fair trial standards.”

          • Bert_1

            No, I do not support disproportionate attacks. I support Israel doing what she needs to do to protect her people.

            Regardless, you are confusing disproportionate outcome with disproportionate input. Just because Israel suffers fewer casualties than the Palestinians, it does not mean that they are using more force or more weapons than the terrorists. Israel has a more effective defense system than the terrorists so they are able to repel more attacks than the terrorists can. But, 3,000 rocket launches in a month is far from trivial.

          • jim

            Never the less .-with the use of drones, F-16s and an arsenal of modern weapon technology, Israel has the ability to target single individuals and therefore to avoid civilian casualties. But rather than avoid them, Israel has repeatedly targeted civilians as part of its military operations.

            The Dahiya Doctrine is central to these operations and refers to Israel’s indiscriminate attacks on Lebanon in 2006. Maj. Gen. Gadi Eizenkot said that this would be applied elsewhere:

            What happened in the Dahiya quarter of Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired on. We will apply disproportionate force on it and cause great damage and destruction there. From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases.

            According to the National Lawyers Guild, Physicians for Human Rights-Israel, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, Israel directly targeted civilians or recklessly caused civilian deaths during Operation Cast Lead. Far from avoiding the deaths of civilians, Israel effectively considers them legitimate targets.
            Israel is carrying this policy on with even more brutality in the current conflict !!!

          • Bert_1

            No Israel cannot avoid civilian casualties. Those precision weapons can hit a target as small as 1 meter. That’s bigger than an individual.

            Regardless, as I pointed out in another post, you don’t seem to take into consideration how many of those civilians killed have been killed by Israeli weapons or terrorist’s weapons. When those weapons caches blow up, they make a very large hole.

            Why do you lambaste Israel for apparent violations but say nothing about the Palestinians. It is the published policy of Hamas and the PA that EVERY single Israeli citizen is a legitimate military target. That isn’t Israel making that claim, it is the Palestinians themselves. And the terrorists openly target Israeli citizens with their rockets but you are OK with that. Why?

          • jim

            Because they are an apartheid state based on creed- with unequal rights allotted to non Jews _plus they have a track record of murdering civilians by the 1000,s

            All that aside -what of the Dahiya Doctrine ? -are you going to tell me it does not exist !!!
            The Dahiya Doctrine is central to these operations and refers to Israel’s indiscriminate attacks on Lebanon in 2006. Maj. Gen. Gadi Eizenkot said that this would be applied elsewhere:(Gaza in this case)

            What happened in the Dahiya quarter of Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired on
            We will apply disproportionate force on it and cause great damage and destruction there. From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases.

            Israel has kept true to this promise. The 2009 UN Fact-Finding Mission to the Gaza Conflict, better known as the Goldstone Mission, concluded “from a review of the facts on the ground that it witnessed for itself that what was prescribed as the best strategy [Dahiya Doctrine] appears to have been precisely what was put into practice.”

            And According to the National Lawyers Guild, Physicians for Human Rights-Israel, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, Israel directly targeted civilians or recklessly caused civilian deaths during Operation Cast Lead. Far from avoiding the deaths of civilians, Israel effectively considers them legitimate targets.-Israel is doing a much more brutal job this time around !
            what of the Dahiya Doctrine -do you have some excuse ready to cover or excuse that policy ???

          • Bert_1

            No, I don’t deny its existence. I just don’t understand why it is attributed to an Israeli general. That policy was used by the Allies and Germans during WWII on a massive scale. And it wasn’t new in WWII – Genghis Khan use it but even he wasn’t the originator of that policy.

            Besides, the Dahiya doctrine is a more humane version of what was used in WWII, etc. It specifically targets civilian INFRASTRUCTURE, not civilians. The Hamas doctrine, on the other hand, ignores civilian infrastructure and targets civilians. But those guys are your buds, right?

          • jim

            The doctrine in question is being carried out in the modern age where the Geneva convention s, International Law and the Laws of war are codified in international treaty’s (to which Israel is a party) To quote Maj. Gen. Gadi Eizenkot again just so it may get through the fog of cognitive dissonance –
            “We will apply disproportionate force on it and cause great damage and destruction there

            Note the words disproportionate force-its runs counter to your unsubstantiated and unverifiable claims !!!

          • Bert_1

            Again (and again and again and again and ….) that doctrine specifies the destruction of INFRASTRUCTURE, not PEOPLE. I am not saying that I agree with the doctrine, although I empathize with the logic behind it, but you keep waving it as if it is proof positive that the Israelis purposely target civilians. It doesn’t say that at all!

          • jim

            The claim that Hamas hides its weapons in homes, mosques and schools and uses human shields is arguably one of the Israeli apologists most insidious claims, because it blames Palestinians for their own death and deprives them of even their victimhood.

            Israel made the same argument in its war against Lebanon in 2006 and in its war against Palestinians in 2008.
            Israel has yet to prove that Hamas has used civilian infrastructure to store military weapons. The 3 cases where Hamas indeed stored weapons in UNRWA schools, the schools were empty. UNRWA discovered the rockets and publicly condemned the violation of its sanctity.

            International human rights organizations that have investigated these claims have determined that they are not true.

            In fact, only Israeli soldiers have systematically used Palestinians as human shields. Since Israel’s incursion into the West Bank in 2002, it has used Palestinians as human shields by tying young Palestinian children onto the hoods of their cars or forcing them to go into buildings first-in case of errant gunfire

          • Bert_1

            So, are you saying that the UN inspectors are in on the Israeli’s lies? It was the UN who found Hamas weapons in UN schools, not the Israelis.

          • jim

            What i am saying is that the two cases where Hamas indeed stored weapons in UNRWA schools, the schools were empty. UNRWA discovered the rockets and publicly condemned the violation of its sanctity.

            International human rights organizations that have investigated these claims have determined that they are not true.
            https://www.amnesty.org/fr/library/asset/MDE15/021/2009/fr/9543003e-8282-4a1c-b4c9-bfc4743dc131/mde150212009eng.html

          • Bert_1

            Nowhere does that article say that the Israeli claims of terrorists hiding their weapons in civilian areas is false. Try again.

            More to your claim that Israel intentionally targets civilians, from the Guardian”

            The first UN school was hit on 21 July. One child was injured when what the UN believes was Israeli “explosive ordnance” struck a girls’ school in Magahzi in central Gaza, which was housing around 300 displaced people. The school was struck again the following day, killing a UN worker.

            If Israel wasn’t trying very hard to avoid civilian casualties, there would have been 300 dead children instead of one injured one. Think about that for a moment: Israeli forces targeted a building containing over 300 people and only one is injured. How the hell do you do that?

          • jim

            In fact, only Israeli soldiers have systematically used Palestinians as human shields. Since Israel’s incursion into the West Bank in 2002, it has used Palestinians as human shields by tying young Palestinians onto the hoods of their cars or forcing them to go into a home where potential gunfire may come from

            http://www.hrw.org/news/2010/11/26/israel-soldiers-punishment-using-boy-human-shield-inadequate
            Israel: Soldiers’ Punishment for Using Boy as ‘Human Shield’ Inadequate

            Two Sergeants Demoted and Given Suspended Sentences

          • jim

            The schools were empty Bert-but I think you know that already!
            As for the human shield canard-I have yet to see anyone-post even ONE verifiable source documenting such a thing!

            The IDF however is another story entirely!

            Israeli soldiers who used Palestinian boy, 9, as a human shield avoid jail

            Mother says suspended sentences and demotions for forcing her son to check bag for bombs at gunpoint are ‘a scandal’

            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/21/israeli-soldiers-human-shield-avoid-jail

          • Bert_1

            What difference does it make whether the schools were empty or occupied? For that matter, since we don’t know exactly WHEN the munitions were stored there and we DO know that the schools were empty because of summer break, it is entirely possible that the munitions were stored there while the schools were occupied.

          • jim

            it makes a difference-because it still does not prove your canard about the use of human shields!
            and as you know full well-numerous NGO,s have already stated that there is no truth to that canard.

            However the IDF ,s use of Palestinian children( aged as young as 9 and 11 ) as human shields is well documented tho

            i.e -IDF soldiers convicted of using 11-year-old as human shield in Gaza
            Two soldiers forced Palestinian child to open bags, feared to have been booby trapped, during Operation Cast Lead.

            http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/idf-soldiers-convicted-of-using-11-year-old-as-human-shield-in-gaza-1.316867

          • Bill Tilghman

            You are a veritable fountain of lies.

          • jim

            Bill your about as ignorant as they come-you swallow Israeli talking points as if there gospel -and all without a shred of proof -only then to regurgitate them verbatim!
            Do you have a mind of your own? -or does supporting baby killers,apartheid,ethnic cleansing and collective punishment come naturally to you ?
            http://www.hrw.org/news/2010/11/26/israel-soldiers-punishment-using-boy-human-shield-inadequate
            Israel: Soldiers’ Punishment for Using Boy as ‘Human Shield’ Inadequate
            Two Sergeants Demoted and Given Suspended Sentences

          • pfiffi43

            Hallo Bert 1, Jim like JoMama is using “oppositional conversational style”. No matter what argument you will put forward, he or she will put another argument against it. This will go on until you are so annoyed about the argument that you will give up. Anybody with a sane mind understands what you are talking about but these people are totally screwed up in their thinking. So, you will never win an argument with these liberal thinkers.

          • Bill Tilghman

            You are absolutely right – they are blinded by their own hate.

          • Bert_1

            Hi pfiffi! I don’t mind. I am not really trying to change anyone’s mind, I am just trying to make sure that I understand the situation myself. Having a sparring partner like Jim, I find, helps me to work out and see arguments that I haven’t thought of and sometimes introduce me to facts I was unaware of. This whole conflict is quite complicated so I need all the help I can get. If I manage to change a mind or two or even open a mind to new possibilities, then that’s pure gravy :-)

          • jim

            So do YOU support the collective punishment of the entire 1.8 million population of Gaza also ?
            (Btw there not ALL members of Hamas)

          • jim

            With the use of drones, F-16s and an arsenal of modern weapon technology, Israel has the ability to target single individuals and therefore to avoid civilian casualties. But rather than avoid them, Israel has repeatedly targeted civilians as part of its military operations.

            The Dahiya Doctrine is central to these operations and refers to Israel’s indiscriminate attacks on Lebanon in 2006. Maj. Gen. Gadi Eizenkot said that this would be applied elsewhere:

            What happened in the Dahiya quarter of Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired on.We will apply disproportionate force on it and cause great damage and destruction there. From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases.

            According to the National Lawyers Guild, Physicians for Human Rights-Israel, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, Israel directly targeted civilians or recklessly caused civilian deaths during Operation Cast Lead. Far from avoiding the deaths of civilians, Israel effectively considers them legitimate targets..

            The same doctrine is in effect now with a lot more brutality!!

          • Bill Tilghman

            Hamas lacks the courage necessary to attack IDF forces openly without hiding among the innocent, and that is where they are comfortable. They lie, and when people die they exploit it in an attempt to propagandize against Israel. It isn’t working and the world is well aware of the yellow streak up the back of every Hamas member.

            Cowards, the lot of them.

          • jim

            Hamas -cowardly and odious bunch that they are -have nothing on the IDF in that department !
            According to professor Norman Finkelstein (who is of Jewish descent and the son of two holocaust survivors)

            “The IDF is the most cowardly army on earth. They don’t attack without first destroying everything in front and to the sides of them, which of course means massive civilian casualties.”
            Once they bomb Gaza into ruins, then the brave IDF will come in with their tanks and kill those who are still alive.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oDxVsIUJXQ

          • Bill Tilghman

            You have no idea of how military operations are conducted do you jimmy? My guess is you have never worn a uniform of any military on this planet.

            No one needs to pay any more attention to your ignorance.

          • jim

            Lol-You seem to be paying enough attention Bill

            Frankly -I am surprised that lonely brain cell you have can process more than one bit of data at a time !

            Since the Israeli offensive against Gaza began, images of Palestinian children murdered in their homes and schools and bombs exploding in neighborhoods have outraged people around the globe.

            Israel has been refusing to allow employees of Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch to enter the Gaza Strip in order to conduct their own independent investigations into the fighting, using various bureaucratic excuses.
            Hmmm wonder what apartheid Israel is so keen to hide from the outside world !

          • jim

            So a beach (with scores of journalists as witness)is now a military facility !!!
            Your really clutching at straws there Bert !

          • Bert_1

            Where the hell did I say that the beach is a military facility? I said “if the terrorists would store their weapons in a military facility, this wouldn’t happen” which implies that the places that they DO store their weapons are NOT military facilities. Therefore, the beach is NOT a military facility.

          • jim

            Bert -to quote you”Exactly where those caches were, I’m not sure but they were supposed to be somewhere on that beach.”
            So you did in fact try to become an apologist for those Israelis that shelled and murdered those Children(even as they tried to flee)playing football on Gaza beach
            Scores of international journalists witnessed it !

          • Bert_1

            Good, Lord, Jim. You are just being argumentative. I said “Exactly where those caches were, I’m not sure but they were supposed to be somewhere on that beach.” and “if the terrorists would store their weapons in a military facility, this wouldn’t happen” to which you replied “So a beach (with scores of journalists as witness)is now a military facility !!!”.

            I didn’t claim that a beach was a military facility. You made that up yourself.

          • jim

            A honest mistake Bert-but dont you find it odd that the Israeli gunships repeatedly targeted those young Kids(the oldest been 11)even as they tried to flee-I find it very hard to believe that they were mistaken as to who they were-and that they were only kids and not a threat to anyone!
            Journalists even tried to interject to get the firing to stop -but of course the Israeli,s didnt!

            Racism against Arabs and incitement to genocide by ultra right politicians in Israel is alarmingly high and on the increase still
            The racial hatred has grown to such a level that in the current atmosphere -Killing an Arab has been elevated to a blood sport in Israeli society-where even the killing of 9-11 year old kids seems perfectly justified to them

          • Bill Tilghman

            Of course the Israelis were returning fire that came from that beach area, but this clown will never admit that. Even if we had video and signed sworn affadavits to document the truth he will never accept it. jim is a waste of time.

          • Bert_1

            I wish I knew more about the targeting system the Israelis were using in this case. It reminds me of the case where the USS Vincennes shot down that Iranian Airbus A300. The Vincennes thought that the aircraft was n Iranian F14 taking off to attack the Vincennes. When that story came out, most people blasted the US for such a ridiculous excuse. An F14 and and Airbus look nothing alike so the US is just blowing smoke to cover their genocidal approach to Iran (sound familiar?). What most people didn’t realize is that to radar, a side on shot of an F14 is almost identical to a nose on shot of an Airbus. Radar doesn’t differentiate very well. It just shows what the radar return looks like.

            So, I have to wonder if the targeting system used by Israel really could differentiate between an attacking terrorist and a little boy chasing a soccer ball. I honestly don’t know if they can and it bothers me deeply that an Israeli might purposely target some children playing soccer.

          • jim

            Baseless accusations-with no verifiable sourcing from BILL- as usual !
            It is sinking pretty low when one tries to justify the murder of 4 very very young kids-whose only crime was to play football on Gaza beach!~
            Thats low even for you Bill !

            Israeli strike kills four Palestinian children playing soccer on Gaza beach
            Ismail Mahmoud Bakir, 9, Ahed Atef Bakir, 10, Zakariya Ahed Bakir, 10, and Mohammad Ramiz Bakir, 11. The four kids were all from the Bakir family

            http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/israeli-palestinian-children.html

          • Bill Tilghman

            Your anti-semitism is only exceeded by your profound ignorance.

          • jim

            And your ignorance is exceeded only by your anti semitism Bill!

            Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times
            http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/israeli-high-court-israeli-soldiers-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html

          • Bill Tilghman

            English your second language, there jim? Simply reversing my words does not make them any less true nor does it negate them. I suggest you quit while you are a loser instead of making yourself an even bigger loser.

          • jim

            Lol-What your doing is called Psychological projection -Bill
            It is a theory in psychology in which its said that humans defend themselves against unpleasant impulses and inadequacies by denying their existence in themselves and projecting them onto others instead
            After all you can hardly string a coherent sentence together in English-let alone prove the veracity of your state sanctioned Israeli talking points!

          • Bill Tilghman

            I do just fine with the English language, and pretty good with German and Spanish as well. The one who is competency challenged here is you, jim.

          • jim

            And yet you have not one shred of proof (neither do the Israelis )that- that is the case !
            If you do have the evidence -then post it ! for all to see !!!
            its time to put your money where your mouth is !!

          • Bert_1

            I don’t have to. The UN beat me to it.

          • Bill Tilghman

            Actually, unless you are accusing the Israelis of being omniscient, then Hamas was not only hiding weapons and fighters in those areas they were also firing from those same sites. You see, modern armies are fairly good at determining where the incoming fire originates – they can do the math and are quite accurate. That you lack the understanding to figure that out tells me you are either willfully ignorant or truly stupid. So, jim, which is it?

          • jim

            Again more baseless accusations -care to source your verifiable and impartial info ?
            That is if you have any -which I very much doubt !

          • Bill Tilghman

            WOW! If I didn’t know better, I would say you are beginning to wake up. Of course, that is not really what you are up to here, now is it, jim?

          • Bill Tilghman

            No, I don’t think he can – we have ample proof he is completely out of his depth.

          • jim

            It would be hard to get out my depth with you BiIl -your about as brain dead as they come-every single thing you have posted sound like it comes straight from the Israeli propaganda ministry!
            (actually that goes for 99% of the ultra right wing fanatical racist zealots supporting collective punishment here)
            You best go back for some hasbara re-training-or the Israel project will be wanting a refund for practicing bad hasbara methinks!Lol

          • Bill Tilghman

            Your depth is measured in microns, moron. You have no idea which way is up, and no one is buying into your line of stupidity.

          • jim

            Bill your on a site populated with religious fanatic extremists that believe the most absurd “Eurabia” type caliphate BS
            Are you one of them ?

          • Bill Tilghman

            I am not about to dignify that idiocy with an answer.

          • Cat

            Isn’t it obvious to you that this is an Iranian propaganda film?

          • jim

            If you bothered to watch it -you would see it consists of clips from various news sources -East and West
            The first clip is from FOX for crying out loud!

            And as far as the canard about Iran wanting to kill ALL jews worldwide!

            How come they havent wiped out there own Iranian Jewish population (some 25000+) first ?

            Iran’s Jews reject cash offer to move to Israel

            · Expats offer families £30,000 to emigrate
            · Our identity is not FOR SALE, say community leaders

            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jul/12/israel.iran

            Ps as regards the oft repeated canard -The following correction was printed in the Guardian’s Corrections and clarifications column, Saturday July 28 2007
            In the article below we reported that last year President Ahmadinejad said (quoting the late Ayatollah Khomeini) that ISRAEL should be “wiped off the map”. A more literal translation of the statement he made in 2005, at The World without Zionism conference in Tehran, is “the regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time”.

          • jim

            Gaza has NO army ,navy or air force but heavy weaponry normally used in full combat warfare is being used against a Palestinian civilian population in situations where there is no military or security need (including civilians in homes, schools, workplaces, hospitals, field clinics, ambulances). A disproportionate number of women and children have been killed and injured, as have clearly-marked medical personnel, human rights defenders and journalists have also been attacked. Crimes perpetrated by Israelis against Palestinians are usually inadequately investigated or prosecuted, and there is a bias in sentencing of Palestinians. Military courts apply the ‘justice’ in the OPTs and do not comply with fair trial standards.”

          • Bert_1

            You don’t seem to have the first idea about the destructive capability of a modern army in “full combat warfare” do you? If Israel really did do that, there would be 10’s or 100’s of thousands of dead Palestinians. But, you don’t address that fact because it doesn’t fit with your narrative. You see Israel as the bad guys and the terrorists as the good guys.

          • jim

            As I said before they don’t do it because of the backlash from the international community for committing such a heinous act!
            Israel is already a Pariah state and they know it!
            The repercussions economically never-mind politically would be devastating !!!

          • Bert_1

            So, Israel practices inhumanity by unleashing “full combat warfare” against an unarmed civilian populace but they don’t unleash “full combat warfare” against an unarmed civilian population because they are afraid of the backlash from the international community. OK, I think I got it now.

          • jim

            So you think Israel does not care about trade and commerce with the outside world?
            Thats a rather delusional attitude to say the least !

          • Bert_1

            You are dying a slow death here, Jim. Give it up and admit that you are biased against the Israelis and that they aren’t as bad as you want to believe that they are.

          • Bill Tilghman

            Yep, jim thinks that trying to kill the other side is justified as long as you use poorly made or somewhat ineffective weapons. However, if the other side reacts to being attacked by defending themselves with deadly force, well they are the bad guys because their weaponry kills more effectively. Perhaps the Israelis should just use RPGs, rifles and pistols and then it would be more “fair”, right?

            The idiocy of these people is simply astounding.

          • Bert_1

            I agree with you in principle, Bill, but I have a hard time with this “ineffective Hamas weapons” business. I don’t think that those rockets are as ineffective or harmless as many people think. In the last round – and again this time – Hamas took the rockets that had no warhead and added shrapnel into the nose cone. That still leaves the weapon ineffective against armor or almost any military target but it is deadly against people. That shrapnel will tear anyone who gets in its way apart. And, since Hamas is targeting civilian areas, guess who get to play the part of cannon fodder.

            I don’t think that we can overemphasize this point. People keep pointing at the death toll and using that as proof of Israel’s barbarity. But, if the Israelis weren’t so good at stopping the Hamas rockets, what would the death toll be on the Israeli side. Since when is shooting at someone OK as long as you miss? The last time I checked, that was called “attempted murder” and you were sent to jail for that.

          • jim

            Now your being deliberately obtuse Bert !
            You asked me why the IDF just doesn’t flatten Gaza
            And I replied because of the International backlash that would occur !
            Whats not to get ?

          • Bert_1

            You claimed that Israel is guilty of unleashing “full combat warfare” against the Palestinians. You then claim that Israel won’t dare unleash “full combat warfare” against the Palestinians for fear of international backlash. Both positions cannot be true, Jim.

          • jim

            Twisting my words doesn’t bolster your case Bert-advanced weaponry is employed as much and as far as the Israelis think they can get away with it -and in the full knowledge that the US will shield them by veto in the UN security council!
            But dont take my word for it !
            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2702485/Israel-investigated-war-crimes-Gaza-UN-says.html
            UN high commissioner for human rights Navi Pillay: “A number of incidents, along with the high number of civilian deaths, belies the [Israeli] claim that all necessary precautions are being taken to protect civilian lives.”
            http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/12session/A-HRC-12-48.pdf
            “The tactics used by the Israeli armed forces in the Gaza offensive are consistent with previous practices, most recently during the Lebanon war in 2006. A doctrine emerged then, involving the application of disproportionate force and the causing of great damage and destruction to civilian property and infrastructure, and suffering to civilian populations.

            The Mission concludes from a review of the facts on the ground that it.. appears to have been precisely what was put into practice.”

          • Bert_1

            I am not twisting your words at all. I am simply quoting you.

            Besides, those advanced weapons that Israel is using are responsible for the civilian casualty level being as low as it is. If they used “dumb” munition, as they did in WWII, the casualty rate would be through the roof.

          • jim

            Low you say-give me a break Bert-there are almost 2000 civilians dead in Gaza-a large proportion of which are children,
            There is no Justification for that sort of slaughter it is totally out of proportion-most the world recognizes that -and condemns it -and rightly so !
            You would have to view the Palestinians as some sort of subhumans whose lives are worth less than an Israeli,s- to believe that -that scale of carnage -is justified

          • Bert_1

            The only part of the world who condemns it as unnecessary are those who do not understand the mechanics of what is happening. In one of the news articles you and I traded, a reference if made to an Israeli strike on or near a school that had 300 people in it. If Israel really was targeting civilians, there would have been 300 dead ones. Instead, the target was destroyed and 1 person in the school was injured. THAT is what the Israelis are doing and THAT is why there are ONLY 2000 dead Palestinians. Plus, as I and many other have repeatedly stated. IF THE $&^%^&$ TERRORISTS WOULD STOP ATTACKING ISRAEL AND/OR REFRAIN FROM USING CIVILIAN AREAS AS MILITARY FACILITIES, THERE WOULD BE NO DEAD CIVILIANS.

          • jim

            ONLY 2000 dead civilians !!! -listen to what your saying Bert!
            do you think that is acceptable considering there are only 3 civilians dead on the Israeli side(1 from a heart attack)
            Is every Israeli really worth 700 dead Palestinians ???

          • Bill Tilghman

            So what? Why can’t they learn to live in peace and stop trying to kill off the Israelis? Many times the Israelis have expressed the wish for peaceful coexistence, yet Palestinians always manage to crank up the killing – this is why the blockade was put in place – the Palestinian authorities have been given control of Gaza for years and there are no Israelis occupying Gaza anymore, yet these malcontents always return to terrorist attacks.

            If they are complaining about the way Israel treats them, they have only themselves to blame. You want to be trusted and allowed autonomy, then there is a responsibility expected from the Palestinians to stop attacking Israel. Why can’t the Palestinians understand this most basic of ideas? The reason of course is many of them have nothing but the old hatreds and don’t really want to have a peaceful relationship with Israel.

            Don’t pick a fight with a lion if you don’t want to be hurt.

          • jim

            Still singing the song of colonialism Bill!
            the origin of the conflict: a piece of land is given illegally to immigrants, after which this act is justified by advancing opportunistic arguments cast in a religious and historical mold, while carefully avoiding the proper description. What happened in Palestine, of course, was classical Western colonialism that can sustain itself only by dint of its superior military or economic resources and by enforced occupation.

          • Bert_1

            Immigrants? Who built that Temple in Jerusalem? The Jews have been in that area for thousands of years, Jim, they are hardly immigrants.

          • jim

            The demographics from ottoman and British times tell a very different tale Bert!

          • Bert_1

            No they don’t. Hell, even if we use your demographics, 10% of the population was Jewish. That says that they weren’t immigrants.

          • jim

            Ok so you admit to the 10% Jewish population-that means the other 90% was mainly native Arab,s -thus there was NO Jewish majority in Palestine at the time-even after all the immigrant Jewish squatters arrived -the Jewish population was still only 32% in 1948-which makes them still a minority!

            There are many on this thread that hold to the unsubstantiated claim that the Arab population somehow arrived AFTER the squatter immigrants!

          • Bert_1

            Just because 10% of the population was native Jews, that doesn’t mean that the rest were native Arabs. If you bother to read the demographic statistics you are flaunting, you will find the the majority of Arabs in the area are immigrants.

            The history of that area is complicated and the group making up the majority has changed many times over thousands of years. However, to claim that the Jews are immigrants goes beyond a misrepresentation of the facts and into being an outright lie. We know that the Jews have been there for at least 4,000 years. I would say that gives them the right to call themselves indigenous.

          • Bill Tilghman

            You have no idea about colonialism! This country started out as a colony to three European nations, and we fought for our own liberty and independence. You seriously need to study history – anyone who has could not take the idiotic and ignorant stances you do!

          • jim

            Where you sources Bill ?-hot air alone doesn’t cut it !

          • Bill Tilghman

            I do not have any obligation to justify my posts to you in any regard, but since you lack the moral character to know the difference between unwarranted attacks with weapons that are designed to be deployed on a battlefield and not in a residential area and you support the evil doers that kill indiscriminately on both sides of the terrorist war that Hamas is embarked upon conducting without remorse or regard for the civilian population they hide behind, there isn’t any point in trying to persuade you. You are already a lost cause.

          • jim

            You couldn’t justify the morally deficient stance you and your ilk take anyway !

          • Bill Tilghman

            I don’t have a morally deficient stance – that is your territory, jim.

          • jim

            So how come you would deny the Palestinians the right to do the same thing ???
            Unless of course you think their “untermenschen” !

          • Bill Tilghman

            How can I dignify your question with an answer that you will no doubt reject. I hardly think that the Hamas terrorists are on the same level as our founding fathers, not to mention that George Washington and the Continental Army didn’t attack the British from within civilian population centers. There is absolutely no moral equivalency that you can come up with that makes your comparison valid.

          • Bill Tilghman

            Because Hamas cowards attack from civilian homes, schools, hospitals and mosques, that is why they have higher casualties. Hamas is doing this on purpose. Do you deny they are committing war crimes by putting civilians in harm’s way by doing what they are doing? There are alternatives such as not attacking from within human shielded areas, or by simply not firing any weapons at Israel in the first place. Hamas is making the residents stay in areas they are firing from in order to generate casualties. The civilians can either be shot by Hamas or they can stay and take a chance on being wounded. That is not a choice. Hamas should allow the non combatants to evacuate when warned an attack is imminent. Why is Hamas forcing the people to stay? THAT IS A WAR CRIME, and Hamas is committing it.

          • jim

            Bill -do you have ANY verifiable source to support this claim!
            just saying its so -does not make it so !

          • Bill Tilghman

            You have to be willfully ignorant to take that position!

          • jim

            So expecting someone to back up their claims -by providing verifiable sources is being willfully ignorant is it-as opposed to what Bill ?
            taking Glen Becks word as Gospel !
            ” The Guardian: “In the past week, the Guardian has seen large numbers of people fleeing different neighbourhoods.. and no evidence that Hamas had compelled them to stay.”
            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/22/gaza-displaced-palestinians-not-safe

            The Independent: “Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields.”
            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-the-myth-of-hamass-human-shield-9619810.html

          • Bill Tilghman

            Your sources tell me all I need to know about your argument – you are a bitterly anti-semitic fool who thinks that the radical and violent terrorists in Hamas have some right to slaughter innocent civilians in the pursuit of their supposed cause. The only thing Hamas does is kill people and celebrate bloodshed. All they have to do is stop attacking Israel with rockets and there will be no more IDF responses. They knew this when they attacked Israel in the first place.

            Your stupid attempts at convincing people that Hamas has some moral reasoning behind what it does indicates just how blind you really are.

          • jim

            What a buffoon-nearly the entire planet condemns Israel for
            its wanton use of disproportionate force in killing 2000+ civilians -but you dont have the moral compass-to see that do you -what a fool-your lost !!!

          • Bill Tilghman

            You don’t have a clue – Hamas is universally condemned for it’s conduct, not Israel. Israel is a nation, Hamas is a terrorist organization that orchestrates it’s killing of Palestinians and Israelis from the safety of Yemen and other countries outside of Palestine. That is a fact!

          • jim

            Yet you still cant cite one verifiable source to back up this human shield canard -that lunatic dispensationalists and other assorted Israeli apartheid and collective punishment sympathizers seem to make as the justification for murdering 2000+ non combatant civilians!
            Where is your evidence Bill ? -where are your verifiable sources to prove that is the case ? -after all people like you cite this ‘human shield” canard in an effort to justify the immoral and cowardly murder of unarmed civilians by aerial assault by the apartheid state !

          • Bill Tilghman

            You are a complete idiot, jim. This has been covered by EVERY MAJOR MEDIA OUTLET – universally.

          • jim

            Then it shouldn’t be to hard for you to locate and post just ONE verifiable account of it then -can it Bill

            Its time to put up -or shut up Bill!
            If you cant back up your claims-its just hot air with no substance-
            Btw supporting collective punishment and being proud of it-is pretty shameful behavior Bill !

            Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times

            http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/israeli-high-court-israeli-soldiers-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html

          • Bill Tilghman

            It’s a lie. I don’t need to prove anything – you are the one promoting the bald faced lies here.

          • jim

            Bill -I provide documented evidence(some from the Israeli high court itself) to go along with my claims-you however have yet to post anything than can substantiate your claims
            I put it to you- that your suffering from a bad case of cognitive dissonance !!!

            Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times
            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html
            http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/israeli-high-court-israeli-soldiers-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html

          • Bill Tilghman

            Blog sites are not the Israeli courts.

          • jim

            That cognitive dissonance must be a real bane to you Bill !

            Here is the same story from Ynet a right wing Israeli news source.(they try and dress it up as best they can-but the Israeli high courts ruling on the IDFs use of human shields is very real and undeniable)

            “Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz on Tuesday demanded that the High Court review a ruling it issued last Thursday in which it declared that the ‘human shield’ procedure employed by the IDF when detaining Palestinian terror suspects is illegal and violates international law.”

            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html

          • jim

            Bill -I provide documented links to my claims-you provide nothing but hyperbole and hot air !
            I presume its this abundance of hot air that is setting your pants aflame from time to time !

          • Bill Tilghman

            You are twisting in the wind at the end of your own verbal noose, jim, and I remain unscathed by your specious allegations.

          • jim

            Tell it to those burning pants your wearing!

          • jim

            Tell it to the Israeli high court Bill- its their finding !
            (Does that make the members of the Israeli high court that gave this finding-liars,anti semites and self hating Jews in your book-Bill ?)

            According to Israeli defense officials, the Israel Defense Forces made use of the ‘human shield’ procedure on 1,200 occasions over a five year period-
            An 18-year-old Palestinian kid was killed during one such operation.

            http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/israeli-high-court-israeli-soldiers-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html

            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html

          • Bill Tilghman

            You cannot deny that your mission here is to promote the lies of Hamas – the evidence is abundantly clear. Unless of course you intend to delete all of your previous posts. Is that your next move, jimmy?

          • jim

            Taking a leaf out the hasbara handbook are we Bill !
            If you cant refute the message-then besmirch the messenger!
            I source my claims Bill
            You do not !!!
            That makes you the Liar !
            Btw is the Israeli high court lying about the 1200 incidents of IDF personnel using human shields also ?

          • jim

            So you consider the Israeli high court to be Liars huh !Bill

            An Israeli High Court ruling declared that the ‘human shield’ procedure employed by the IDF when detaining Palestinian terror suspects is illegal and violates international law.

            Testimony from 26 unnamed IDF soldiers-involved in Operation Cast Lead in the Gaza Strip,testified to instances where Gazans were used as human shields, incendiary phosphorous shells were fired over civilian population areas, and other examples of excessive firepower that caused unnecessary fatalities and destruction of property.

          • Bill Tilghman

            No, I consider you to be a liar, jim, and that is as far as I need to go.

          • jim

            Just because Hamas are an odious org with odious methods -it does not give the right to Israel to murder an essentially defenseless and civilian, captive population at will
            claiming the world sides with Israel-Is flat out wrong !
            It doesn’t !
            apartheid Israel is seen as a bully an oppressor and a county led by war criminals

            Even a quick glance at MSM news shows that

            Netanyahu asks U.S. to help Israel avoid war crime charge at ICC
            http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/7/netanyahu-asks-us-help-israel-avoid-war-crime/

            On August 11, Human Rights Council (HRC) President Baudelaire Ndong Ella announced the formation of an “independent, international commission of inquiry” into war crimes committed during Israel’s Operation Protective Edge.

            http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/12/investigating-gaza-war-crimes/

            Netanyahu asks US to help Israel avoid war crime charges
            http://nypost.com/2014/08/06/netanyahu-asks-us-to-help-israel-avoid-war-crime-charges/

          • Bill Tilghman

            Duck, dodge, spin and deflect – it isn’t working jim. “Just because Hamas are an odious org with odious methods ” – at least we agree on that.

          • Bill Tilghman

            Then you explain the leg wounds of the civilians under Hamas thumb in Gaza – they have been shooting people in the legs to make them stay for IDF attacks even when the IDF warns by radio, leaflet, telephone and television – and don’t tell me there isn’t fair warning here, that is one way your darling little Hamas terrorists herd the victims into the impact areas. Prove that this is not happening you smarmy little twit.

          • jim

            Bill -as I keep saying -if you have ANY documented and verifiable accounts of your claims -Post the links for all to see!
            However there are ample documented cases of the IDF using children as human shields !

            Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times

            http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/israeli-high-court-israeli-soldiers-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html

            Jeremy Bowen, BBC Middle East editor: “I saw no evidence during my week in Gaza of Israel’s accusation that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields.

            http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2014/07/jeremy-bowens-gaza-notebook-i-saw-no-evidence-hamas-using-palestinians-human

            ” The Guardian: “In the past week,
            the Guardian has seen large numbers of people fleeing different neighbourhoods.. and no evidence that Hamas had compelled them to stay.”
            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/22/gaza-displaced-palestinians-not-safe

            The Independent: “Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields.”

            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-the-myth-of-hamass-human-shield-9619810.html

          • Bill Tilghman

            You can repeat your lies as much as you like, they will not gain truthfulness in that way.

          • jim

            Bill -these are established MSM newspapers and accountable for their coverage!
            I at least provide verifiable sources -as such!
            You however seem to be at a loss to provide anything that can confirm the veracity of your absurd claims!
            You’ll be telling me the rapture is here next !!!

          • jim

            Odd how Israeli apologists always try to tar anyone that opposes Zionism or Israels policy of apartheid and collective punishment with being a Hamas sympathizer!
            It indicates a really low cognitive function and inability to process new data!
            I abhor Hamas,s methods as much as Israels
            The only difference between the two being -that Israel kills indiscriminately on a much much larger scale !

          • Bill Tilghman

            Nothing odd about the fact that Hamas is a known terrorist organization and recognized as such world wide. Hamas has been shooting people trying to heed the warnings of impending attacks – a fact you cannot deny, despite your comical efforts to do so.

          • jim

            You don’t have to support Hamas to see the way in which its vilification is being used to mitigate Israel’s mass crimes
            Nor do you need to approve armed violence at all to recognize that a people being murdered and imprisoned will rightfully fight back, just as resilient Jews did in the Warsaw Ghetto.

            Jews living in an apartheid, violence-defined Israel can never find either meaningful security or proper democracy, something that will, ultimately, only be realisable under “a single democratic and decolonized state

            Are you for or against that Bill ? Or will you always side with the bully and oppressor ?

          • jim

            Bill your a lost soul -In line with this super race mythology, Israel’s killing machine is really most effective at murdering unarmed civilians — invalids who cannot run, doctors who stay to care for the wounded, and mothers and children in their flimsy shelters — and rather pathetic when it confronts face to face determined armed resistance fighters. As of 6 August 2014, the Israeli Air Force, Navy, and artillery slaughtered 1,594 Palestinian civilians — via long distance high tech warfare — compared to 3 civilians in Israel (one Bedouin, one Thai farm worker and an Israeli Jew), a mind-boggling ratio of over 1,500 Palestinian civilians to one of the ‘Chosen’. But when it came to ‘ground fighting’, 64 Israeli soldiers were killed compared to 281 Palestinian partisans, a 4.4 to 1 ratio. Despite all the Israeli air cover support and high tech protective gear, the Israelis took heavy military casualties when their invasion came down to a more level fighting field where poorly equipped partisans are willing to die for their homes and liberation.

            And you support the oppressors !Sick dude !!!

          • Bill Tilghman

            Just plain stupid – that is what comes through as your level of intellect when you post garbage like this. Congrats on achieving the lowest of low water marks on the intelligence scale.

          • jim

            Israel’s total war against Gaza has provoked condemnation from millions of people around the world, greater outrage at their crimes against humanity, and calls for an international war crimes tribunal.

            If such a tribunal were to be convoked, the question arises of how wide the net should be cast – where to draw the line between leaders, soldiers, masses and complicit overseas supporters, all implicated to one degree or another? How many ‘willing accomplices’ to mass murder should be investigated and tried?
            I would say as a cheerleader for murder -that may include YOU and your ilk also- Bill !

          • Bill Tilghman

            Blah blah blah – your lies are old, but you say them well.

          • jim

            Tell it to the Haaretz,the Gaurdian,The Independent and all the other mainstream newspapers that report Israels crimes Bill_You cant Even cite ONE verifiable instance of the human shield canard-Your in the minority Bill
            Outside of Israel and its organized supporters in the major Zionist organizations, world public opinion and most experts in international law see the Jewish State’s invasion of Gaza and its systematic attack on civilians and basic infrastructure as a crime against humanity.

          • Bill Tilghman

            None of those publications you cited are mainstream media sources and they share an anti-semitic and anti Israeli bias. I am not bound to play this game of yours, but I will say that you are stubbornly stupid for insisting on being on the wrong side of this subject.

          • jim

            Lol-Bill you cant be serious !Take of those blinkers !
            The Haaretz is a well known Israeli MSM newspaper
            The Gaurdian and the Independent are both huge selling UK MSM newspapers.
            The side of the fence your sitting on is in the extreme minority worldwide-and rightly so!
            Israel is seen as an apartheid state that has committed egregious crimes against humanity by the majority of the worlds populace !

          • Bill Tilghman

            You are a by now well known crackpot. I rest my case – you either present your bias or misquote or misrepresent by cherry picking your words from media accounts. Your lies are old and you say them well.

          • Bill Tilghman

            This has been well reported in many televised media outlets since the beginning of this Hamas terror campaign. Even you cannot be that stupid not to know this.

          • jim

            No it hasn’t been reported any sort of the kind Bill-your just making stuff up now!

            I can post stuff to back up my claim
            You apparently can not !

            Jeremy Bowen, BBC Middle East editor: “I saw no evidence during my week in Gaza of Israel’s accusation that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields.”

            The Guardian: “In the past week, the Guardian has seen large numbers of people fleeing different neighbourhoods.. and no evidence that Hamas had compelled them to stay.”

            The Independent: “Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields.”

          • Bill Tilghman

            Hamas is using threats of violence against media if they capture or attempt to video record any kind of wrongdoing by Hamas. This has been on news media coverage here in the United States.

            Where are you jim? I am betting you don’t live in the United States.

          • jim

            Post it then -let us see your proof !
            That Is- if it is verifiable and not just some BS report from a hack station like FOX claiming that it is so- because they say its so -with no proof to back it up!
            Now your backed into a corner and cant defend your immoral position or post or cite ANY verifiable sources to back up your main justification for the murder of 2000+ civilians-namely the “human shield” canard!
            you resort to the tactics of deflection by bringing in straw men arguments!
            what has my location got to do with the apartheid states totally immoral and criminal behavior ???

          • Bill Tilghman

            I am not the one in the corner, jim – that would be you for being an anti-semite.

          • jim

            you really are delusional Bill resorting to that old tired and worn out bit of humbug!
            If anyone is displaying antisemitism -it is you Bill-with your hatred of the Semitic peoples of the middle east !

            You cant provide any verifiable sources to back up your human shield canard and refuse to accept the IDF engages in it and that your beloved apartheid Israel is being condemned as a war criminal state worldwide for its wanton murder of so many civilians-

            That is what is called cognitive dissonance Bill

          • Bill Tilghman

            Your specious argument has no basis in fact. All we have from you are invalid claims of the enemies of Christianity and Judaism. You really are a pathetic little monkey.

          • jim

            Bill -you have the brain capacity of a not so bright simian -so I guess if anyone should know about any “monkey” business-it will be you !Lol

          • Bill Tilghman

            I will match my IQ against yours any day, jimbo. I find many errors in your writing that indicate you have a 9th grade education at best.

          • jim

            Now ,now Bill-the anti semitism card is one that could easily be leveled at you Bill-what with your xenophobic hatred of all things middle eastern(the home of the semites)

          • jim

            Lol-cant you even post an original though anymore Bill!
            Instead of resorting to scraping the bottom of the Hasbara barrell ! That old trick is getting a bit stale !
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSJS58Zz600

          • Bill Tilghman

            Hasbro? Is that company even in business any more?

            Your words betray you as a muslim fanatic.

          • jim

            Lol-Playing dumb isn’t to hard a stretch for you is it Bill !

            “Hasbara” as in the Israel projects “Hasbara handbook”!
            A veritable litany of unfounded unsubstantiated arguments and assorted BS and how to,s-designed to help Israels apologists-obfuscate,confuse and muddy the waters in favor of Israel in the media

            The Israel Project’s Secret Hasbara Handbook Exposed

            http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2009/07/10/the-israel-projects-secret-hasbara-handbook-exposed/

          • Bill Tilghman

            The real dummy here is you, jimmy – you support the aggressors in this situation and can’t deal with the guilt so you try to transfer it to Israel and to me – ineffectively. None of your vain attempts are succeeding.

          • jim

            Post ONE verifiable source Bill-prove it IF you can !!!
            I can post documented cases of the IDF using children as human Shields-Where are your documented cases ???

            Israel: Soldiers’ Punishment for Using Boy as ‘Human Shield’

            http://www.hrw.org/news/2010/11/26/israel-soldiers-punishment-using-boy-human-shield-inadequate

            IDF soldiers convicted of using 11-year-old as human shield in Gaza

            http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/idf-soldiers-convicted-of-using-11-year-old-as-human-shield-in-gaza-1.316867

            Israeli soldiers who used Palestinian boy, 9, as a human shield avoid jail

            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/21/israeli-soldiers-human-shield-avoid-jail

          • Bill Tilghman

            You are posting pro Hamas and anti Israeli propaganda, and do not merit any serious reply. There are ample numbers of sources from conventionally accepted media that document the Hamas practice of using human shields to conduct their terror campaign, as well as many photographs and video clips that show this being done. Your assertions that IDF is doing this are plainly laughable and a lame attempt at creating a false moral equivalency that somehow makes it OK for terrorists to use innocent civilians to protect their heinous and outrageous attacks.

            You are not worthy of any further communication, so consider this my final response.

          • jim

            Lol–So In other words you cant even find ONE verifiable source to backup your human shield fiction BS-one of the papers that cites IDF soldiers use of Palestinian children is Israeli the Haaretz-the others are human rights watch and the Guardian a major UK paper!
            You really are deluded Bill-to support a lunatic apartheid state that if it was not for the protection of the US,s security council veto -would have been in the war crimes docket long ago

          • Bill Tilghman

            OK dimwit, try the abundant coverage from ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, BBC, and Fox News – they all reflect the facts that the cowards in Hamas direct their minions to commit acts of war from the relative security of being surrounded by civilians and from schools. mosques and hospitals in order to cause as much human suffering and death to as many Palestinians as possible. ALL OF THEM HAVE SHOWN THIS TO BE THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH!

          • jim

            And yet you cant post ONE verifiable source to back up your unsubstantiated claim can you Bill !
            saying so don’t make it so-its time to -put up -or shut up Bill!

            Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times

            http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/israeli-high-court-israeli-soldiers-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html

            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html

          • jim

            Just as I thought -you have nothing to back up your wild claims but Xenophobic anti Semitic hot air(btw Arabs are Semites- Bill)

            However as regards the IDF,s use of children as human shields though-

            Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times

            http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/israeli-high-court-israeli-soldiers-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html
            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html

          • Bill Tilghman

            Ok, so you aren’t simply anti-arab, you restrict your anti-semitism to the Israelis.

          • jim

            Bill -what is anti semitic about posting a link to an Israeli high court finding ?
            Care to clarify !

            Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times

            http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/israeli-high-court-israeli-soldiers-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html

    • jim

      This video shows the Israeli army using Palestinian children as human shield forcing these kids to enter homes ahead of the soldiers incase gun fire breaks out. Funny how CNN or Mr Beck never shows this type of footage.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXq57XK2L0A

      • Bill Tilghman

        Liar.

        • jim

          These baseless accusations really don’t bolster your argument Bill!
          Your on a very,very,very right wing site with quite a number of “American Taliban” style religious fanatic types in attendance -so there is lots of people here that will support your immoral stance

          At least try a little harder to prove your case- just resorting to calling someone a liar when your belief systems are threatened-is poor show indeed !
          Show us the evidence,!

          • Bill Tilghman

            The evidence is abundant and you have to try very hard to ignore it. You seem to have an amazing capacity for being a moron if you think any of your diatribes are convincing anyone that you are correct. It is absolutely clear to those of us with reasoning capability that Israel is the victim – Hamas started this by attacking Israel and you have got to be astoundingly stupid not to understand that.

  • jim

    Why Did NBC Pull Veteran Reporter After He Witnessed Israeli Killing of 4 Gaza Kids playing soccer on Gaza beach?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyaaFUh7CSw

  • jim

    CNN Yanks Journo Who Tweeted ‘Scum’ About Cheering Israelis on sderot hilltop watching the bombs drop on Gaza while drinking Beer and eating popcorn !!!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrYmAiDXqh0

  • jim

    Indian TV NDTV Srinivasan Jain reports from Rafah in South Gaza
    “Its nothing short of a Massacre-entire family’s have been wiped out”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7lcNjTRSn4

    • Bert_1

      So, one reporter from NDTV shows Hamas terrorists setting up and launching a rocket from a residential neighborhood and another reporter from the same stating reports that that can’t happen.

      • jim

        Its the same reporter-his name is Srinivasan Jain !Lol

        • Bert_1

          I din’t realize that. Which video was first?

          • jim

            Im not sure-but the alleged rocket video may have been around the same time also

          • Bert_1

            It just seems odd to me that a veteran reporter would witness the terrorists launching a rocket from a residential area (and he was quite certain in the video that it was a rocket attack on Israel) and then do this video where he expresses shock that the IDF could even possibly consider the possibility that the terrorists may launch from residential neighborhoods creating targets there.

            Plus, he doesn’t mention the fact that the UN inspectors have found terrorist munitions stored in UN schools. Those inspectors only looked in UN schools, not non-UN facilities so it is fairly safe to assume that other schools, hospitals, mosques, homes and other civilian areas are used to store and launch these weapons.

          • jim

            Did he mention that Israelis have bombed a home for the disabled ,hospitals,4 kids playing football on the beach(maybe the rockets were under the football?),UN shelters etc
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJWNE83j__k&list=PLV-C8la6X1by1XV7xihPcl1I2SX4hOvRa&index=1

          • Bert_1

            I do believe that he did. But, as I said, the UN has fond terrorist munitions in UN schools so they are bound to be stored in those other facilities as well.

            Regardless, tell me how YOU would handle the situation if you were the Israeli PM? You know where the munitions are hidden. You know that they will be targeting your civilian population if your forces don’t destroy them first. What would you do?

          • jim

            I wouldn’t bomb innocent people for a start -collective punishment is against the Geneva conventions -Its a war crime pure and simple-The whole world seems to know that!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6vYZkG-5HA

          • Bert_1

            Explain, please. The munitions are hidden in homes, mosques, schools, hospitals, you name it. You have to destroy them. What do you do?

          • jim

            The simple fact is that in the entire history of these puny scrap metal rockets being fired-a total of maybe 30 Israeli civilians have died-in contrast just in operation Caste lead and protective edge nearly 3500 Gazans have died-that is what is called a hugely disproportionate response!
            Your trying to defend the Indefensible-collective punishment is a war crime no matter what mental gymnastics you employ-The Israeli,s are not exempt from the laws of war

          • Bert_1

            The problem is that you have yourself absolutely convinced that Israel is meting out some sort of collective punishment in spite of the fact that most of the data simply does not support that conclusion. Israel is targeting terrorists and their munitions, both of which are hidden among the civilian population. The fact that there aren’t 10’s of thousands of dead Palestinians would indicate to any rational disinterested person that Israel is taking extraordinary measures to avoid civilian casualties.

            If Israel was as bad as you seem to think that they are, why aren’t they just carpet bombing the entire Strip? That would guarantee that they get the most weapons and terrorists while exposing the minimum number of Israeli soldiers to potential harm. Yes, the Strip would be denuded of any living creature, but, so what? You say they don’t care anyway.

          • jim

            Because they fear being made more of a Pariah state than they already are(without the protection of the US security council veto-there days would have been numbered long ago)
            If there is ever to be peace in that tiny strip of land -ALL its inhabitants have to be accorded equal rights and justice!

            and it is not I alone that believes the response is grossly disproportionate and tantamount to collective punishment -most the planet thinks so too !

            The current Israel is the natural heir of its origins and subsequent entrenchment of ethnically-based legal and cultural structures. Israel now produces racists as a majority voice, with citizens imbued with universalist values reduced to near powerlessness.

            The Banality of the West
            Israeli Lynch Mobs
            by DAVID RAGLAND
            http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/10/israeli-lynch-mobs/

          • Bert_1

            They HAVE been accorded equal rights and justice by the Israelis. It is the %^&$%^&* terrorists you seem to love who are causing all of the pain and suffering.

          • jim

            Now your just being silly – aside from the Jews only roads in the squatter settlements -Inside Israel, marriage is regulated under the personal status religious law, that effectively prohibits mixed marriages between Jews and non-Jews.

            The State of Israel only recognizes mixed marriages which took place in other countries. There is no law that allows civil marriages which would enable mixed marriage ceremonies to be performed inside Israel.

            Palestinians inside Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories suffer from discrimination in every aspect of resource allocation, including in the allocation of the financial budget for Palestinians inside Israel, to resources (water, electricity, municipal funding for services-Prevention of full participation in economic life etc

            Israel as an apartheid state has no future. Only as a state which embraces the concept of universal human rights, justice and dignity for all who share the same land can it ensure the peace and security of its people.

          • Bert_1

            I can quote stuff, too. That doesn’t make it right. But, what we are dealing with here is the conflict in Gaza. If Israel is doing something in their own country that can be considered to be discriminatory, it should be addressed. AFTER the hostilities end.

          • lucitanian

            Not in their own country, Fool. That’s the problem. That’s the cause of the HOSTILITIES idiot.

          • jim

            Lol -there OWN country -give me a break Bert !
            Its plain to see you are utilizing flawed arguments from the Hasbara handbook
            http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2009/07/10/the-israel-projects-secret-hasbara-handbook-exposed/

            The ottoman and British mandate census showed a population of 10% for the jews in the early 1900.s
            In 1948 that had risen to 32% versus 68% Arab!
            The UK had no right to give away the country of one people to squatters from another people!
            The Rothschilds were instrumental in kowtowing the politicos of the day into doing something they Knew to be inherently wrong
            God is NOT a real estate agent !!!

          • Bert_1

            No, the real estate agents were Arabs who sold their land to the Jews. Fair and square and perfectly legal.

            Regardless, whether you believe that Israel has the right to exist or not, they do. They have been recognized by most countries in the world and they are a member of the UN. That makes Israel a country whether you like it or not.

          • jim

            Lol Do you not find it interesting that Israel is the only country on the planet going around with this incessant insistence that everyone recognize her right to exist?

            Countries do not exist by right Bert.
            They exist by fiat, a recognition of sovereignty, defensive capabilities, and the power, derived either from the populace or the military, to maintain the structure and government of that country.

          • Bert_1

            Isn’t that what I said? And, once they have been recognized as a country, they have a right to exist. No one can simply decide to destroy a country.

          • Bill Tilghman

            Palestine did not belong to the arabs who moved there after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire. They moved into the region after the cessation of hostilities. The current Palestinians were like the Saudis – nomadic and had no formally recognized borders or government.

            Your history is as flawed as your illogical conclusions about warfare, and what constitutes a war crime.

          • jim

            Clutching at straws again – using talking points propaganda straight from the most ultra right Zionists is a bit cheap
            Prove what you say -source your info -otherwise its just empty opinion !!

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Palestine
            Just for the record a link to ottoman and British period census

          • jim

            But Bert -you was claiming earlier that there was no state sanctioned discrimination in Israel!
            Now that premise has been proved wrong -you cry foul!!!

          • jim

            No they havent been accorded equal rights Bert !
            About 1.2 million Palestinian Israelis, who make up 20 percent, or one-fifth, of Israel’s population, have second-class citizenship within Israel, which defines itself as a Jewish state rather than a state for all its citizens. More than 50 provisions of Israel’s principal laws discriminate, either directly or indirectly, against non-Jews, according to Adalah: The Legal Center for Minority Rights in Israel.
            http://adalah.org/eng/Israeli-Discriminatory-Law-Database
            Israel: New Laws Marginalize Palestinian Arab Citizens

            Measures Threaten Discrimination; Chill Freedom of Expression

            http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/03/30/israel-new-laws-marginalize-palestinian-arab-citizens

          • Bert_1

            In any event, you still haven’t told me how YOU would handle the situation. Israel is stuck between a rock and a hard space. No matter what they do, they are damned. Personally, I think that, given the circumstances, they are doing a very good, humanitarian job. Yes, I would prefer that there be ZERO civilian casualties (especially children) but the only way they could do that is to leave all of Hamas weapons caches intact.

            Actually, a number of those casualties are the result of terrorists’s rockets screwing up and killing Palestinians. So, even if Israel did nothing, Palestinian civilians would die.

          • Bill Tilghman

            Your argument is so flawed that it defies explanation! You are ignoring Hamas’ war crimes and attacking Israel for responding to them and then basing that on a false equivalence. There is nothing fair about war, and combat has no rules regarding equality in numbers of casualties. If this was a problem for Hamas they should not have fired the first shot. There is no justification for the attacks of Hamas upon Israeli citizens. None what so ever – period.

          • jim

            Any verifiable sources to support your Israeli propaganda Bill?
            No ! -just as I thought -empty rhetoric !!!

          • Bill Tilghman

            You exceed the bounds of low information imbeciles by a quantum leap!

          • jim

            Yep -no sources at all -just empty rhetoric-figures!!!
            you really should try to get your info somewhere other than FOX ,Glen Beck and sources of that ilk-it makes for an extremely limited worldview !

          • Bill Tilghman

            You have no idea what my world view is, much less how to use that term – it isn’t a single word. There is nothing in any of your posts that leads one to believe you have the mentality required to understand logical reasoning, or the ability to determine what is right or wrong. You just come here to spout propaganda, and you don’t even do that particularly well.

          • jim

            Bill – your so full of it -you cant back up any of your warmongering rhetoric-you support child killers and war criminals and act all righteous about it-a bunch of lost souls preaching to the choir-you have no idea that the world see you as the fools you are !

          • Bill Tilghman

            More idiocy from the pro Hamas ideologue – do you ever have an original thought?

          • jim

            What if I was to tell you-that I was an illegal underage Latino that had just slipped across the border and then converted to Sufism -would that negate my arguments and make you feel better Bill ?
            (I am NOT btw!Lol)

          • Bill Tilghman

            You have no valid point or arguments jim, despite your assertions to the contrary.

          • jim

            Is the Israeli high courts opinion valid enough for you Bill-or are you going to claim that they are anti semites too !Lol

            Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times

            http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/israeli-high-court-israeli-soldiers-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html

            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html

          • Bill Tilghman

            liar liar pants on fire!

          • jim

            Yes Bill -I can smell the reek of copious amounts of BS ,charred underwear and burning pants from here !
            I hope you have a fire extinguisher at hand to put out those incandescent pants of yours!Lol

          • Bill Tilghman

            You are smelling yourself.

          • jim

            Very poor riposte Bill-Do they teach you nothing at the Israel projects hasbara training school for the mentally and morally challenged ?

          • Bill Tilghman

            Never attended such a school. I am pretty sure that you are completely indoctrinated, but I believe in freedom, liberty and respecting others rights. This is something you Hamas supporting fools have no conception of.

          • Bill Tilghman

            Since I am not Israeli, have never been to Israel, or have no background in any educational institution as you are suggesting, your comment falls flat on its face.

            Maybe you should take the time to learn about your opponent before hurling baseless – and ignorant – accusations their way. Your lack of ability to divine the truth and complete ignorance of facts does not increase the odds of your winning in the debate.

            In other words, (that you will not mistake the meaning of), You are a big fat loser, jim and there is no hope of you bettering your position.

          • lucitanian

            You have to destroy them.?????
            Why,
            Is their no other way in that pea sized brain of yours? Like dealing with the actual problem?

            “hidden in homes, mosques, schools, hospitals, you name it.” Because you say so, or the IDF says so, or maybe its the most heavily populated place on earth. But even so, why not go and take the weapons out, or whatever. Proportionality is what its about.

            If I’ve got a gun in my house to defend myself from Zionist thieving thugs or idiots like you that doesn’t give anyone the right to blow away my neighbourhood.

            Your hasbara crap of justifying genocide is continued drivel.

          • Bert_1

            The UN says so because the UN found some of their weapons in their schools.

            I’ll tell you what. I’ll send Bibi an email and tell him that we have someone here who would like to volunteer to manually remove the terrorist’s weapons from their civilian hiding places so that the Israelis don’t have to bomb them. Deal? Then, you can go and, with the blessings of the terrorists, dispose of those weapons. Excellent idea, thanks :-) I’m sure Bibi will jump at the chance to have someone like you look after that for him.

          • Bill Tilghman

            Flagged. Deal with that, loser.

          • jim

            Censorship rears its ugly head !!!

          • Bill Tilghman

            Censorship? If I could you would be long time gone from here. I am certain that I have many allies in that regard.

          • jim

            So you don’t believe in the first amendment then Bill !
            Figures !!!

          • Bill Tilghman

            This has nothing to do with the First Amendment, and I suspect you know very little of the Constitution judging from your misinterpretations. Are you an American citizen? I sincerely doubt that any of the Constitution applies to you – you are only here to spread anti-semitic propaganda.

          • jim

            Any Facts -or verifiable sources to back that assumption Bert ?-the burden of proof is on you !

          • Bert_1

            I have given you a link already that shows that the UN found weapons caches.

          • jim

            Bert -you know full well that -the link,s report said the schools were empty and not in use at the time.
            So how exactly does that prove your case about the use of human shields or absolve Israel for blowing up buildings with innocent civilians inside!

            What justification was there -for blowing up El wafa hospital for the disabled- when the Israeli,s admitted to knowing that the hospital had NO weapons caches hidden-but they went ahead and blew it up anyway-destroying Gaza,s ONLY hospital for the disabled and killing and wounding scores of innocents in the process ??? Care to clarify Bert !!!

            Besides -a number of NGO,s have already said there is no truth to the human shield canard-are they all Liars !
            Or does blind hatred keep you from seeing the truth !

          • Bert_1

            Storing their weapons in civilian facilities and using civilians as human shields are two separate issues. At this point of the conversation, I am addressing your claim that the terrorists do NOT store any weapons in civilian facilities. Since I know that your bigotry won’t allow you to will not accept any data from the Israelis, I don’t provide any. Instead, I point to the data from the UN – who hates Israel almost as much as you do – which shows that they did, in fact, find terrorist’s weapons in civilian facilities.

            So, the Israeli claim that the terrorists store their weapons in civilian facilities is no where near as far fetched as you want people to believe. And that is the center of your argument. After all, if the terrorists DON’T store their weapons or hide in civilian facilities, Israel has no excuse for targeting such facilities. But, since none other than the UN themselves have the Israeli claim to be true, Israel can be excused for targeting those facilities. Hamas and their terrorist friends are responsible for those civilian deaths.

          • jim

            Now now Bert no need for name calling!
            The canard in question is the one about human shields
            I provide documented evidence that soldiers from the IDF have engaged in such activities !
            You however can not do the same to the contrary

          • jim

            Bert why did the Israelis destroy the ONLY hospital for the disabled in Gaza when they admitted to knowing there was NO weapons stored there ?

          • Bill Tilghman

            The war crime of locating offensive weapons in proximity to civilians seems to have escaped your notice. Retaliatory strikes to eliminate the threat is not a war crime – that is self defense.

          • lucitanian

            The only terrorist here is Israeli State terrorism. And your support of genocide is a pathetic expression of Hasbara propaganda…..

            What would I do?
            Silence the guns, drones, and tanks. Stop pretending you are after peace when you are trying to kill, destroy and humiliate, every last Palestinian; Talk to Hamas on equal terms to arrange a lasting and mutually acceptable peace, stop the siege of Gaza, agree the right of return and compensate Palestinians for their land stolen.

          • Bert_1

            Under no circumstances do I support terrorism – by Israel or anyone else.

            Talk to Hamas? Have you even read their charter? They want Israel destroyed and all Jews DEAD. No compromises! That is what they say and the fact that they would attack a militarily superior state like Israel supports that doctrine.

            What land has been stolen from the Palestinians?

          • Bill Tilghman

            Precisely, Bert – there was no state of Palestine prior to the establishment and founding of Israel. It was a territory that resulted from the collapse of the former Ottoman Empire that ended with the Central Powers loss of WW I. All of these people who are anti-Semites and attack Israel, well they are living in a world of their imagination and they justify their behavior by basing it on a lie.

          • jim

            Try checking your facts first Bill -before spewing fascist Zionist propaganda
            The Jewish population of Palestine during the Ottoman British period accounted for only 10% of the population
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Palestine#Travelers.27_impressions_of_19th-century_Palestine

          • Bert_1

            You are attacking for the sake of attacking now, Jim. Where, in Bill’s post, did he say anything about the demographics of that area during or after the Ottoman Empire? He said nothing of the sort. He simply pointed out that never was a state of Palestine. That is true.

          • jim

            My mistake Bert !

          • Bert_1

            Thank you. I was getting worried about your change in approach as of late. You appeared to be arguing just for the sake of arguing. That gets tiresome in a big hurry.

          • jim

            Why do Israels apologists think that because a place was named this or that at a certain time-that the population that had been living there for generations already- can now be suddenly deprived of there homes and land and be expelled upon pain of death and told never to return ?
            Besides that -how do you know-that those people are not the descendants of native Jews that had converted over the ages anyway!

          • Bert_1

            In case you missed the memo, there are TWO groups who fit that description – hat the population that had been living there for generations already – but, you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge the second group. How racist is that?

            And, again, and again, the Palestinians were not expelled from Israel. Read your history.

          • jim

            Which history Bert ? the one written by Zionist historians or the one the rest of the world accepts
            There is a reason why Israel has been compared to apartheid south africa

          • Bert_1

            Yes, there is a reason that Israel is accused of being apartheid. It is called antisemitism. And I am talking about the true history – not one tainted by bias in either direction.

          • jim

            aah stooped so low as to use the anti semirism card have we Bert-Im afraid its lost its luster of late!
            Lets see what this Ex sraeli Knesset minister has to say about it shall we!

            Israeli Minster “We Always Use The Anti-Semitism Trick or Use The Holocaust Card

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSJS58Zz600

          • jim

            Actually Bert thereare 4 groups as far as religion goes-Druze ,Christian ,Jewish and Muslim
            And as far as ethnicity goes there was only arguably 2 groups -one group consisted of semitic Jews,Christians ,and muslims of the same ethnicity
            The second group consisted of European askhenazi Jews

          • Bert_1

            So, why do you insist that there is only ONE?

          • jim

            Now your trying to put words in my mouth Bert !
            When have I ever said there is only ONE-equal rights and justice for all ethnicity and creeds plus compensation for the dispossessed is what I think is fair

          • Bert_1

            You said:

            Why do Israels apologists think that because a place was named this or that at a certain time-that the population that had been living there for generations already- can now be suddenly deprived of there homes and land and be expelled upon pain of death and told never to return ?

            You referred to “the population” – SINGULAR – that had been there for generations. That is ONE people.

          • jim

            You really are starting to sound desperate -and in search of straw men to deflect with -now your immoral arguments for killing large numbers of Gaza,s civilians have bit the dust.
            A population can consist of different groups you know !!!Lol

          • jim

            I don’t think I have ever claimed there was only One-what I have said is that regardless of who the administrators were or what the Land was called in the past-there was a MAJORITY Arab population living there for generations already!
            These were the people who were either forcibly expelled or driven away out of fear -between 1947-1948-does that clarify things ?

            Btw -Bert-Can Israel be Jewish and democratic — i.e. Can a state which grants legal privileges to some and denies rights to others based on religious affiliation or descent – be considered a democracy. ?

          • Bert_1

            The bottom line is that there has always been Jews in that area. Yes, they were scattered a number of times causing their population in the region to drop significantly, but they have been there for thousands of years. And they formed countries a couple of times. This business of Jews being parachuted into the region where none existed before is nonsense. Plus, records show that the Palestinians who left Israel in 1948 and 1967 did so for personal safety. The surrounding Arab countries had attacked Israel making it very dangerous to stay there. So, the claim that the Israels “forced” the Palestinians out is false. They left voluntarily.

          • jim

            Dream on Bert-your Zionist fictional history does not wash-there are census records dating back to the 1500,s that tell a very different story to the Zionist narrative!
            I prefer to believe verifiable facts -not fairy tales!

          • Bert_1

            Are you saying that there have not been Jews in that area for thousands of years? If so, what proof do you have?

          • jim

            I said no such thing-what I said was that verifiable census records show that since around the 5th century AD Christians and Muslims made up a Majority of the population-and that from around the 15th century onward s the majority was still Muslims and Christians with Jews making up around 5% of the population-up until around the early 1900,s when it jumped to 10% of the population- look it up !

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Palestine#Demographics_in_the_Ottoman_period

          • jim

            Really Bert-They left voluntarily !What ALL of them !

            1948 EXPULSION OF PALESTINIANS REMAINS OPEN WOUND

            Israel: A refuge or a colonial project Pt.3 Israeli historian Tom Segev – September 6, 2010
            “We have all kinds of historical lies and historical mythology to justify this tragedy and explain how it happened. No. They were expelled. Hundreds of thousands of people were expelled. So this is not such a long time ago. Some of these people are still alive. There is a second generation and a third generation and a fourth generation of people who suffer from that tragedy. These are not professional refugees, people who gain, who have something to gain —let’s say they get UN support or whatever. No. These are people, and you’ve seen them.”
            |
            http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=5567

          • Bill Tilghman

            Wrong. Where do you get your facts? Hamas? I thought so.

          • jim

            The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine. By Ilan Pappe
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buhpHTGAlTE

          • Bill Tilghman

            You should know there are people reading your posts here that will flag them for their content.

            You are absolutely wrong, but by all means continue and we can recommend that your login credentials here be revoked so you will no longer be able to pollute this site with your toxic lies.

          • jim

            So if it goes against the official Israeli narrative -it must be censored huh -Bill
            How very open of you(Not)!Lol

          • Bill Tilghman

            Stop using those areas to locate firing positions and they will no longer be targets. It is about time you figured out that your attacks have consequences, and if you locate weaponry in a given area proximal to innocent people, they are being put in jeopardy by your own actions.

            This is so simple that even the most dense moron can figure it out, but of course, in your case we must make an exception I suppose.

          • jim

            Again with the baseless accusations -with no sourcing !
            do you get this out the Israel projects ,hasbara handbook?
            If so you are a very poor propagandists sir -best go back for Hasbara retraining !Lol
            http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2009/07/10/the-israel-projects-secret-hasbara-handbook-exposed/

          • Bert_1

            I should also add that Israel does not hide, store or use their military assets in civilian areas. Yet, the terrorists always target civilian areas of Israel.

            The terrorists always store, use and hide their military assets in civilian areas which makes it much more difficult for the Israelis to target them.

          • lucitanian

            F-ing useless Israelis who try NOT to harm civilians.

            According to you Palestinians target civilians yet they’re relatively good at hitting IDF with 64 soldiers and only 2 Israeli civilians, plus one non-Israeli worker being killed.

            While Israel trying NOT to kill civilians manages 1,875 Palestinians killed so far, 9,567 injured.

            -Demolished Structures: 5,930

            -Partially Demolished Structures: 4,820

            -Damaged Homes: 32,150

            -Schools Damaged: 141

            Damaged Hospitals and Health Centers – 17 hospitals and 7 PHC clinics were damaged, 10 hospitals and 44 primary health clinics were closed, 22 ambulances were damaged, and 83 health personnel injured, 19 health personnel died after Israeli airstrikes.

            Over 485,000 people were displaced (almost one third of the Gaza population) – 1,700,000 people (the entire population of the Gaza Strip) have been affected by the destruction of electricity, water and waste water infrastructures.

            By the way, Police and agents of the Hamas government are civilians not military and Hamas is a political organization with an armed wing. Calling them terrorists does not make them “armed militants” or unilaterally liable for Israeli murder. They too have a right to self determination and liberation from an illegal occupation, blockade, and Israel’s racist genocide.

          • Bert_1

            Just because the terrorists have not been very successful in killing Israeli civilians, it doesn’t mean that they haven’t tried. And, they are more successful against soldiers because they use different weapons and the soldiers are more exposed – something that can’t be said for the terrorists.

            If the Israelis actually WERE trying to target civilians, there would be 10’s or 100’s of thousands of dead civilians. Hell, they targeted a school that had 300 people in it and injured only one. That’s pretty good shooting in my books. If they were targeting civilians, there wouldn’t have been a single survivor. Not one.

          • lucitanian

            Your answer is pathetic. 10’s or 100s of thousand would certainly confirm the genocidal tendencies already evident. That would be the end of Israel. Not that this isn’t already.

          • Bert_1

            Why is it pathetic? It is accurate and if you believe that Israel is genocidal, it would fit with your narrative. Take off your racist glasses and see the truth.

          • lucitanian

            You wouldn’t know the truth if it hit you in the face your so full of propaganda bull.

          • Bert_1

            Interesting come back but you didn’t answer the question.

          • lucitanian

            Listen to this interview and educate your poor brainwashed Zionist excuse for a mind:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvBZhe7nU2M&list=UUczrL-2b-gYK3l4yDld4XlQ&index=9

          • Bert_1

            Why do you have to be so vile? Can’t you carry on a civil conversation with someone you disagree with?

          • lucitanian

            Not with the kind of trash that tries to justify genocide and ethnic cleansing, the centrepiece of Zionist activity for over 60 years, and which your hasbara propaganda and lies tries to spin for your treacherous war-warmongering masters.

            Your not even worth another reply, so go —- yourself.

          • Bert_1

            I am not a Zionist nor do I justify genocide or ethnic cleansing by ANYONE! But, if you believe the nonsense this guy pukes (and I haven’t finished watching it yet) I understand your disgusting vitriol.

            I suppose the the US didn’t put a man on the moon, that 9/11 is a hoax, that Elvis is still playing in Vegas and Bugs Bunny is real.

          • lucitanian

            Oh yes you are. Oh yes you do.

            Try this guy – He knows the Zionists from inside:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9_OcCXvT6Y

            The moon they went, 9/11 I’m glad you think you know what happened. Elvis and Bugs Bunny, that’s about your level…. grow up.

            And this is the last time I waste on you.

          • Bill Tilghman

            Apply that last sentence fragment to yourself – and learn how to write the English language in a reasonable fashion. What you fail to realize is your poor command of grammar and sentence structure is singularly unimpressive and your argumentative nature persuades no one. Add that to the lack of factual support of your obviously rehearsed lies and you end up with making yourself out to be a complete idiot. Nice going there doofus.

          • Bill Tilghman

            No one is interested in listening to the madness of Hamas.

          • jim

            Bill the man in the Video is Norman Finkelstein-he is of Jewish origin and is the son of two Holocaust survivors!
            Listen to him you might actually learn something !

          • Bert_1

            I listened to most of the video and the only thing I learned is that Norman Finkelstein is nuts.

          • jim

            Nuts -I don’t think so Bert-Finkelsteins is a well known political scientist in the field of the Israel/Palestine conflict .I’m guessing listening to what he had to say was unsettling and conflicted greatly with your beliefs about the situation.!

          • Bert_1

            Anyone who claims that anti-personnel rockets that are aimed at a civilian population are nothing more than fireworks is, in my books, nuts. Plus, he then claims that no rockets were fired anyway. He is disagreeing with his own hypothesis. He is certifiably nuts. The only reason he is “a well known political scientist in the field of the Israel/Palestine conflict” is because he is anti-Israel. He can claim anything he wants as long as it is anti-Israeli and he will be celebrated as a genius.

          • jim

            Cognitive dissonance is to be expected from Israeli apologists
            As for Anti personnel rockets Bert ! -that’s the first time I have heard of home made fertilizer sugar and weedkiller scrap metal rockets described that way !Lol

          • Bill Tilghman

            I don’t listen to propaganda or your BS jim – because you are simply full of disinformation. Anyone can make a video and claim this or that. Your gullibility is sticking out since you digest every lie and repeat it with gusto.

          • jim

            Bill most of my posts are sourced from legitimate news orgs with accompanying links !
            I very much doubt you can say the same-as I have yet to see you source any of your posts

          • Bill Tilghman

            None of these organizations have any legitimacy – especially when they attack Israel and support the killers in Hamas. No, you have proven only one thing – you are a tool of terrorists.

          • Bill Tilghman

            Stupid deflection – you have not proven anything with your name calling and false accusations.

          • jim

            Lol-Says the guy that resorts to name calling and false accusations as a matter of habit!
            Bill that is being called a hypocrite

          • Bill Tilghman

            I have not called you any names, I have merely used descriptive terms to identify you.

          • jim

            Thats a bit rich-coming from someone that tars 1.8 million people with the same terrorist brush -Bert !

            I put it to you that the same racist charge could be leveled at you also!

            For crying out loud Bert- you couldn’t even tell that Srinivasan Jain in this report was the same Guy that reported the rocket video that this Beck rant addresses
            I do hope that not all Indians look the same to you !
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7lcNjTRSn4

          • Bill Tilghman

            No, your lies are pathetic.

          • Bill Tilghman

            False equivalencies. If Hamas was not attacking Israel none of this would have happened. Hamas is forcing civilians to remain in place instead of seeking shelter or leaving the area by force of arms. That is a fact you cannot lie your way out of. The truth is coming out about the nature of Hamas and the way it operates.

            The racism in this situation is being committed by Hamas.

          • Bill Tilghman

            Don’t buy into Jim’s lies – he is a liar and never says anything that isn’t Pro Hamas.

    • Bill Tilghman

      Families made to remain in their homes near launch sites by armed Hamas personnel. This is an engineered disaster – the massacre is being staged by Hamas and the innocent die because Hamas is making it happen under the barrel of a gun. It is difficult to heed the warnings of impending bombardment and leave the area when you are going to be shot if you move.

      • jim

        Thats rich coming from a cheerleader for baby killers and collective punishment-Your happy to believe Srinivasan Jain,s report about the rockets ,but not his reports about the carnage in Gaza ! Why ?
        Because it is contrary to the hasbara narrative youv been given !

        Put your money where your mouth is -Bill -and post the evidence-your useless pontifications dont hold water!!!

  • jim

    Israeli sniper boasts of murdering 13 kids in Gaza

    • oopso42

      Propagandizing again Jim from a
      hacked sight? The truth is far from you.

      • jim

        said the supporter of ethnic cleansing !Lol
        Btw its spelled “site” not sight !
        Best get back to hasbara retraining to improve your English!

        • Nissim Ozkaragoz

          jim, you are mentaly disturbed

          • jim

            Israel has yet to prove that Hamas has used civilian infrastructure to store military weapons. The two cases where Hamas indeed stored weapons in UNRWA schools, the schools were empty. UNRWA discovered the rockets and publicly condemned the violation of its sanctity.

            International human rights organizations that have investigated these claims have determined that they are not true.
            https://www.amnesty.org/fr/library/asset/MDE15/021/2009/fr/9543003e-8282-4a1c-b4c9-bfc4743dc131/mde150212009eng.html

          • Bert_1

            So far, I have seen reports of 3 UN schools, not 2 and nowhere have I read that the schools are empty. and your Amnesty article says nothing about that.

          • jim

            The report deals mainly with the 2009 Gaza massacre !

            Israeli forces repeatedly targeted ambulances and medical crews, killing several medical workers while they were attempting to rescue the wounded and recover the dead.
            https://www.amnesty.org/fr/library/asset/MDE15/021/2009/fr/9543003e-8282-4a1c-b4c9-bfc4743dc131/mde150212009eng.html
            Amnesty International found no evidence that rockets were launched from residential houses or buildings while civilians were in these buildings, but Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups at times launched rockets and located military equipment and positions near civilian homes.

            Thousands of Palestinian were left homeless. Hundreds of businesses and public buildings were destroyed. In most of the cases they investigated in Gaza Amnesty International delegates found evidence that the destruction was wanton and deliberate and could not be justified on grounds of “military necessity

          • Bert_1

            Yeah, I saw the video in which Israel was accused of targeting an ambulance and killing everybody inside. Yet, except for the fact that the windows were broken, the ambulance was in drivable condition. Curious, isn’t it? Every other time I have seen a picture of a vehicle that had been targets by the Israelis, you couldn’t even tell is had been a vehicle at one time. It was a pile of scrap metal with a couple of wheels sticking out of it at odd angles.

            How much evidence of a rocket launch was left after that rocket was launched from beside the hotel? For that matter, what evidence is there of a rocket having been launched from somewhere?

            Who defines “military necessity”? Regardless, at least you have stopped, temporarily, I assume, accusing the Israelis of mass murder. Tearing down infrastructure is not murder.

          • jim

            There is such a thing as International Law and the Geneva conventions -without them we may well succumb to the law of the Jungle !
            Human Rights Watch: “Israeli forces may also have knowingly or recklessly attacked people who were clearly civilians, such as young boys, and civilian structures, including a hospital – laws-of-war violations that are indicative of war crimes.”
            http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/22/gaza-airstrike-deaths-raise-concerns-ground-offensive

            Amnesty International: “Deliberately attacking a civilian home is a war crime, and the overwhelming scale of destruction of civilian homes, in some cases with entire families inside them, points to a distressing pattern of repeated violations of the laws of war.”

            http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/israelgaza-prevent-further-war-crimes-after-israeli-ground-assault-2014-07-18

          • Bert_1

            You have already posted those links numerous times and they have yet to support your argument. Re-posting them won’t change that.

          • jim

            Facts are facts Bert – I post them numerous times for the cognitively dissonant !!!

          • Bert_1

            That is true. But there are no facts in those articles that support your conclusions so I don’t understand why you keep posting links to them.

          • jim

            What does not support my argument ?
            The articles clearly illustrate the fiction of human sheilds?
            Or is it because those FACTS apparently dont seem to sink in to some -either that or they have a hard time accepting it !!!

          • Bert_1

            What facts? There is very little in either article that address your claims.

          • jim

            The burden of proof about verifiable claims of Gazans, using human shields lies on you-Bert-Not I !

            Israeli soldiers who used Palestinian boy, 9, as a human shield avoid jail

            Mother says suspended sentences and demotions for forcing her son to check bag for bombs at gunpoint are ‘a scandal’
            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/21/israeli-soldiers-human-shield-avoid-jail

          • jim

            ← ‘Nowhere in Gaza is safe’ – A snapshot of life under the bombs
            Shuja’ya civil defence ambulance hit 21 July, where medic was killed
            http://livewire.amnesty.org/2014/07/28/nowhere-in-gaza-is-safe-a-snapshot-of-life-under-the-bombs/shujaya-civil-defence-ambulance-hit-21-july-where-medic-was-killed/

          • Bill Tilghman

            You have never posted any facts, Jim, only lies and propaganda from the Hamas liars and killers of innocents on both sides.

          • jim

            Said the dude that has not posted ONE verifiable source to back up his support for collective punishment of 1.8 million Gazans
            There not ALL members of Hamas -Bill !!!

          • Bill Tilghman

            I never said they were – that is your stupid assertion not mine.

          • lucitanian

            “Tearing down infrastructure is not murder.”
            It certainly is when that infrastructure is essential to life. As in Water purification, sewage pumping or the electricity supplies to drive them.

          • jim

            Its just murder in slow motion-same thing !!!

          • Bill Tilghman

            I have noticed as well that the “blood” on the wounded is very slight and usually the color of red paint instead of what real blood looks like. Most of their casualties are staged.

          • jim

            Any proof or sources to back up those assertions and assumptions Bert ?
            Israeli strikes killed 17 people, in a Gaza market as a TV crew was filming a crowd gathered near an ambulance.
            http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jul/31/camera-crew-captures-strike-near-gaza-ambulance

          • Bill Tilghman

            Again your story is skewed 180 degrees out of phase with the truth. Hamas attacked Israel in 2009, just like they have this time. Hamas deserves to be made extinct.

          • jim

            This is getting as boring as you are sir
            You have,nothing but hot air and useless pontifications to make -and all without a shred of evidence-you provide no links -no sources-Your word is worthless Sir!
            unless you can back it up with sourcing!

          • jim

            Can you post links and sources to all 3 ?
            because I know of only 2 !

          • Bert_1
          • jim

            Hmm doesnt say that the schools were occupied at the time tho does it !
            But this bit caught my eye
            The UN says 95 of its installations in Gaza have been damaged since the start of the conflict, in 135 strikes that include at least 10 direct hits.
            Hardly seems propotionate does it ?-unless you going to claim the UN is in cahoots with Hamas of course !lol

          • Bert_1

            I noticed that. I wasn’t sure what they were getting at but I assumed that it was because Israel was targeting a launch site in close proximity to the facility, not the facility itself.

          • jim

            Wheres your facts or verifiable sources Bert?
            Assumptions and opinions just wont cut it !

            Gaza school attack denounced as ‘criminal act’ by UN chief
            Ban Ki-moon calls on those responsible to be held accountable after 10 killed and dozens injured outside school gates

            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/03/israel-air-strike-un-school-gaza-rafah
            Gaza: at least 15 killed and 90 injured as another UN school is hit
            UN official condemns ‘in the strongest possible terms this serious violation of international law by Israeli forces’
            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/gaza-another-un-school-hit-in-further-night-of-fierce-bombardment

          • Bill Tilghman

            Jim, you are a lying fool. Those rockets were given to the Hamas authorities – the very same ones who hid them in the first place. They took cement and steel reinforcement material intended for constructing homes, schools, medical facilities and used it to make tunnels from which to attack Israel.

            Get a clue – Hamas is an evil terror organization and they do things the way they do in order to accomplish their goal of getting the world to cast sympathy their way. They are cold hearted killers and most of the civilized world knows what they are. Only you seem ignorant of that – and willfully so.

          • jim

            Where is your proof liar!!!
            You can lie all you ;like -but you have not provided a shred of evidence to support your assertions!
            You words are next to worthless Bill -if you don’t have any evidence to support them !

          • jim

            And you have no evidence to back up your the claims-I guess that makes you mentally challenged !Lol

        • Bill Tilghman

          You have no idea what you are talking about Jim. The ethnic cleansing in this situation is within the Hamas charter. Everyone but you knows and understands this.

          • jim

            Again more baseless accusations -wheres your verifiable sources to prove your case-lies from the Hasbara handbook -wont cut it!!Not ALL 1.8 million Gazans are members of Hamas

            History of Israel:Stolen Land of Palestine by Ilan Pappe
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKGA48MptIY

          • jim

            Bill -calls for genocide are entering the Israeli mainstream
            Moshe Feiglin, a deputy speaker of the Israeli parliament and a member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party, urged the Israeli army to kill Palestinians in Gaza indiscriminately and use every means possible to get them to leave:

            If a politician committed incitement to genocide in any other country -they would be sacked and hauled in front of a court!

            but such is the hate and blood-lust for A-rabs in Israeli society-that he will probably just get more votes!!!

            http://www.jonathan-cook.net/b

          • Bill Tilghman

            The article is worthless, and so is your citation.

          • jim

            Bill –I cant help but notice you keep avoiding answering this simple question- Can Israel be Jewish and democratic ?i.e. Can a state which grants legal privileges to some and denies rights to others based on religious affiliation or descent – be considered a democracy. ?
            Care to clarify !!!

          • Bill Tilghman

            Jewish is the faith, democracy is a system of governance and there is no connection between the two. Try this argument on some one who is as foolish as you are – I am not buying into this idiocy of yours.

          • jim

            So in other words it doesn’t fit the description of a democracy or a republic as most sane people would consider it-it is an APARTHEID state which grants legal privileges to some and denies rights to others based on religious affiliation or descent -Isnt that so Bill !

          • Bill Tilghman

            It isn’t so, jim. What Israel does is what all legitimate governments do – it only deprives the criminals of the rights of citizens within their boundaries. Get over it jim – no one in Israel wants this violence – it was initiated by and continues to be sustained by Hamas. They are the ones committing the violence in Palestine, I suggest you interrogate them if you are truly interested in finding out what their motives are.

          • jim

            Thats not really an answer Bill- you sidestepped the Issue of the 20% of the Israeli population that are non Jewish and are treated like 2nd class citizens for it.

            For example- respect for civil and political rights is a fundamental requirement of a legitimate democratic state. However, despite Israel’s ratification of international covenants on civil and political rights such as the ICCPR, Israel systemically obstructs or denies these rights to Israeli non jews.

            http://adalah.org/eng/category/19/Economic,-Social-and-Cultural-Rights/1/0/0/

          • jim

            How about these reports Bill -are they worthless too?
            most experts in international law see Israel’s invasion of Gaza and its systematic attack on civilians and basic infrastructure as a crime against humanity.

            Report: Netanyahu Asks US Lawmakers To ‘Help Israel Avoid War Crimes Charges’

            http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/08/07/report-netanyahu-asks-us-lawmakers-to-help-israel-avoid-war-crimes-charges/

            Gaza is a crime made in Washington as well as Jerusalem

            http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/06/gaza-crime-washington-jerusalem-carnage-western-support

          • Bill Tilghman

            You are posting pro Hamas and anti Israeli propaganda, and do not merit any serious reply. There are ample numbers of sources from conventionally accepted media that document the Hamas practice of using human shields to conduct their terror campaign, as well as many photographs and video clips that show this being done. Your assertions that IDF is doing this are plainly laughable and a lame attempt at creating a false moral equivalency that somehow makes it OK for terrorists to use innocent civilians to protect their heinous and outrageous attacks.

          • jim

            And yet you cant provide even ONE verifiable source!-can you!

          • Bill Tilghman

            Don’t have to – it is evident that you are wrong.

          • jim

            Best get that cognitive dissonance in hand Bill-You dont post any verifiable sources -because you dont actually have any-do you!!!
            I on the other hand –
            I do have verifiable sources that members of the IDF used children as human shields!
            (unless of course you believe the Israeli high court is not a verifiable source !)
            Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times

            http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/israeli-high-court-israeli-soldiers-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html

          • Bill Tilghman

            90% of all media accounts refute every point of your idiotic arguments. That’s good enough for me.

          • jim

            Then it shouldn’t be to hard for you to post just ONE verifiable and documented account from this so called mass of media evidence you claim there is!

          • Bill Tilghman

            This is becoming tiresome and you are asinine.

          • jim

            All you have to do is post ONE verifiable documented account to prove the veracity of your claims -Bill !

            Surely that cant be hard too find can it ?
            -seeing as you continually claim that its a well know fact and is all over the Media!

            Just on the off chance that this info may slip past the cognitive dissonance that seems to have you in its thrall-here is a link to the Israeli high court finding on the IDF,s use of human shields-again !

            Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times

            http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/israeli-high-court-israeli-soldiers-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html

          • Bill Tilghman

            You have nothing that constitutes proof or evidence. You have your own and other’s lies from blogs and discredited sources. Try finding that crap you sling in the US or World media – here’s a hint – your lies are not being reflected in any major media source.

          • jim

            Keep telling yourself that Bill !
            You just might end up believing it !

            In the meantime here is an ultra right wing Jewish newssource (Ynet)that verify s the Israeli high courts findings !

            Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times

            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html

    • amarillovet

      you’d think if this was real he would know how to spell muslim…hate this phony propaganda..jim ur a douch

      • jim

        Oh that cognitive dissonance sure is a mighty affliction for Israeli apologists for collective punishment !lol

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_-76H-YRjs&index=2&list=PLV-C8la6X1by1XV7xihPcl1I2SX4hOvRa

        • doad

          Thanks for sharing that informative video. More proof that Israel desperately wants peace and Hamas cares jack for their own, deliberately and cowardly putting them in harms way. Do you know what ‘harm’s way’ is?? It’s a deliberately created environment. By Hamas. And they should be condemned for it.

          There is a lot more open desert in Gaza than there is populated areas. Why is Hamas not firing from those locations?

          • jim

            Are you deliberatly being stupid ?
            Gaza is an open air prison -blocked on 3 sides by the IDF and the Egyptian side closed of by the US backed puppet pharaoh AL Sissi-who is more than happy to comply if the blood money from Washington keeps flowing to his coffers !
            Instead of making baseless accusations-why not try sourcing your info!!
            Cognitive dissonance seems to afflict all you Israeli apologists for collective punishment !

          • Bert_1

            If it was a prison – open air or not – the inmates would not be permitted to leave. We already went through this one, Jim. The Gazans can leave any time they want – assuming, of course, that they aren’t terrorists. In that case, they’re screwed.

          • jim

            But Bert -as I said before -till you provide verifiable sourcing
            it is just your opinion and next to worthless
            (which sounds awfully like official Israeli talking points btw)

          • Bert_1

            That goes both ways, Jim. Gaza is not officially a prison so if you believe that it is, the burden of proof is on your shoulders, not mine.

          • jim

            Weasel words Bert -I have yet to see you post proof for 99% of your claims

            How Israel brought Gaza to the brink of humanitarian catastrophe

            Oxford professor of international relations Avi Shlaim served in the Israeli army and has never questioned the state’s legitimacy. But its merciless assault on Gaza has led him to devastating conclusions

            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine
            HUMAN RIGHTS COUNCIL
            Twelfth session
            HUMAN RIGHTS IN PALESTINE AND OTHER
            OCCUPIED ARAB TERRITORIES
            Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict
            http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2009/09/15/UNFFMGCReport.pdf

          • Bert_1

            But, Jim, you are the one claiming that Gaza is an open air prison, not me. Since you are making the claim, you are the one who should provide proof, right?

          • jim

            Ive come to expect that you have nothing to back up your Israeli sanctioned talking point,s but hot air Bert
            But if you look closely you will see I have posted several sources about Gaza being an “open air prison”

            Australia MPs: Gaza is world’s largest outdoor jail

            http://www.jpost.com/International/Australia-MPs-Gaza-is-worlds-largest-outdoor-jail

            Inside the world’s largest open-air prison
            http://www.smh.com.au/world/inside-the-worlds-largest-openair-prison-20100604-xkmp.html

            David Cameron describes blockaded Gaza as a ‘prison’
            UK Prime Minister David Cameron
            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-10778110

          • jim
        • Bill Tilghman

          More lies from Jim the lying propagandist.

          • jim

            You Sir are the Liar -who makes baseless accusations when your narrative is questioned-This is from channel 4 news-a well respected UK channel-I provide sources-You provide baseless accusations -Put up -or shut up Bill!!!

    • Bill Tilghman

      You have posted this on several sites this week, it is a lie and you sir are a devious lying propagandist.

      • jim

        Said the dude that makes base accusations without a shred of proof Prove that the tweet never happened -post a credible source to back your claim-Its time to put up-or shut up Bill!!!

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  • Brad S S

    Bomb Palestine!

    • Pearls to Swine

      What was that you said about Jim ?! Ha Ha !

      • jim

        Back from hasbara retraining and desperate to spread your lies again- MR Swine ?

  • Pearls to Swine

    New York Times photographer confirms Israel’s version of events:

    As reporters begin returning home from Gaza, we are seeing the truth finally beginning to filter out. Yesterday we saw reports from France 24 and NDTV showing rockets being launched near UN facilities. (Does anyone actually believe that UN staffers couldn’t see from their windows the rocket launchpad pictured in France 24′s account?) The New York Times, also yesterday, tried to defend itself from JTA’s criticism of its failure to show images ofHamas fighters. The statements now published in one of the most anti-Israel mainstream publications in the US, however, are only further evidence of what the IDF and Israel’s supporters have been saying all along.

    Let’s take a close look. Tyler Hicks, the New York Times photographer, begins by telling us that Hamas fighters are hiding in civilian areas, embedded within the civilian population and firing rockets from residential neighborhoods:

    I was stationed in Gaza, and covered the Palestinian side of the war where you saw most of the casualties. One of the reasons for that is because the Hamas fighters are living among the civilian population. . . . This is a situation where the fighters fire rockets from all over the Gaza Strip, from neighborhoods to cemeteries, from parking lots, from any number of places.

    And no, the reason they do this is not because “Gaza is pretty small.” Hicks next tells us that the fighters seek safety at the expense of the civilian population:

    Hamas fighters are not able to expose themselves. If they were to even step a foot on the street they would be spotted by an Israeli drone and immediately blown up. We don’t see those fighters. They are operating out of buildings and homes and at night.

    Leaving aside the entirely speculative nature of the statement that Israeli drones would blow up Hamas fighters, and assuming it to be true, Hicks confirms exactly what the IDF has asserted — that Hamas exposes its civilians to danger so that its fighters may remain safe.

    Finally, Hicks confirms that, as Israellycool has been saying since the first casualty numbers were released, the ratio of civilian to military casualties put forward by the Gaza Health Ministry and by the UN appears to be completely invented. Hicks tells us that:

    There are funerals, there are people being rushed to the hospital, but you can’t differentiate the fighters from the civilians. They are not wearing uniforms. If there is someone coming into the hospital injured, you can’t tell if that’s just a shopkeeper or if this is someone who just fired a rocket towards Israel. It’s impossible to know who’s who.

    If it’s impossible to know who’s who, then there is no basis for the civilian casualty figures that the media, including the New York Times, have been repeating as gospel.

    Just as the IDF has told us, then, the New York Times now confirms both that the number of civilian casualties in Gaza is most likely unsubstantiated, and that those civilian casualties that have occurred, tragic to be sure, have been caused by Hamas.

    Now, will someone please, using small words and speaking slowly, explain this to Jodi Rudoren?

    Update by Brian 7th Aug 01:12: The New York Times has finally done the same kind of casualty analysis Israellycool did weeks ago.

    • Bert_1

      Oh, oh. Jim isn’t going to like you…

      • Pearls to Swine

        LOL ! I see you met old Jihad Jim. Poor sap. Spends his entire day fighting Jewish windmills.

        • Bert_1

          I think he is gong to be pissed when he finds out that those Jewish windmills are actually Dutch. You would think that the fact that they are a bit north of Israel would be a hint as to their true ownership. Oh, well…

          • jim

            Aah camaraderie between supporters of collective punishment,ethnic cleansing and apartheid -its so touching to see !!!
            Still spewing bile Mr swine ???

          • Pearls to Swine

            Go stick your head in the toilet. Troll.

    • jim

      Mr swine maybe these news story’s may throw some light into your hate filled medieval darkness !
      Jeremy Bowen, BBC Middle East editor: “I saw no evidence during my week in Gaza of Israel’s accusation that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields.”

      The Guardian: “In the past week, the Guardian has seen large numbers of people fleeing different neighbourhoods.. and no evidence that Hamas had compelled them to stay.”

      The Independent: “Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields.”

      Reuters, 2013: “A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields.”

  • http://www.mweb.co.za moveintothelight

    the fate of xtians in the middle east.

  • Jose Israel Martinez

    So? Democrats already made up their minds: It is Israel the one who did it! No amount of evidence or facts will change their made up minds!

    • jim

      What evidence ?
      Can you provide any verifiable Sources, facts or Links (without an axe to grind )that can back up that statement ?

  • James Dunn

    I think Israel should not stop until Hamas is eradicated.

  • CABorn71

    Launching rockets from a densely populated area. They do this so that when Israel strikes back, they can claim Israel is killing civilians. Talk about misinformation and propaganda.. ham-ass has got it down to a science.

    • jim

      Human Rights Watch: “Israeli forces may also have knowingly or recklessly attacked people who were clearly civilians, such as young boys, and civilian structures, including a hospital – laws-of-war violations that are indicative of war crimes.”

      Amnesty International: “Deliberately attacking a civilian home is a war crime, and the overwhelming scale of destruction of civilian homes, in some cases with entire families inside them, points to a distressing pattern of repeated violations of the laws of war.”

      • Bert_1

        HRW: MAY have

        Amnesty: If a home contains military assets, that clause no longer applies.

        • jim

          Say who ? -You !
          Source your info Bert -otherwise its just opinion !

          • Bert_1

            Um, Jim, I am commenting on your link.

        • jim

          How about a hospital for long term disabilities that Israel KNOWS has no weapons in _Which clause apply s then Bert ?

          Israeli military destroyed el-Wafa hospital even though it knew there were no weapons inside
          The Israeli army targeted and destroyed the Gaza strip’s only rehabilitation hospital even though Israeli authorities said they did not believe weapons were inside of the facility. El-Wafa Rehabilitation Hospital, which treats long-term injuries and physical disabilities, was heavily shelled
          http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/

        • jim

          There is no MAY about this though is there!
          Israeli military destroyed el-Wafa hospital even though it knew there were no weapons inside
          El-Wafa Rehabilitation Hospital, treats long-term injuries and physical disabilities,
          http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/

          • Bert_1

            I was quoting the article. It says “may have”.

    • jim

      Israeli military destroyed el-Wafa hospital even though it knew there were no weapons inside
      The Israeli army targeted and destroyed the Gaza strip’s only rehabilitation hospital even though Israeli authorities said they did not believe weapons were inside of the facility. El-Wafa Rehabilitation Hospital, which treats long-term injuries and physical disabilities, was heavily shelled
      http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/military-destroyed-hospital.html

    • jim

      Do you believe everything the Israeli propaganda ministry says without checking if there is any veracity to their claims first ?

      Jeremy Bowen, BBC Middle East editor: “I saw no evidence during my week in Gaza of Israel’s accusation that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields.”

      “Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields.”
      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-the-myth-of-hamass-human-shield-9619810.html

  • JLWright

    There is no way to compassionately wage modern warfare. When lawlessness is hailed, religious sectarianism and hatred prevails and diplomacy and reason fails “That day – like the burning of cities that ended WW2 – will bring about the destructions from the heavens by fire and the elements will melt in the heat.” (2 Peter 3:12)

  • Conscience_of_a_conservative

    Seems incredible that reporters from CNN were not aware of this, but were either afraid to show it or were motivated in other ways not to show it. It’s only now after the Indian and French reporting has gone viral that CNN was embarased into showing it, which helped fuel the narrative that Israe was targetting civilians and U.N. facilities and not responding to rocket fire.

    This whole crisis and reporting could be summed up by Mark Twain who famously said, ” a lie goes half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes”

    Where is the U.N. apology?

  • Lisa Hawks

    Hamas caught red-handed, the scumbags

  • Pearls to Swine

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  • jim

    Can Israel be Jewish and democratic — i.e. Can a state which grants legal privileges to some and denies rights to others based on religious affiliation or descent – be considered a democracy. ?

    • brainy37

      Israeli Arab citizens aren’t denied any rights. Palestinians are not Israeli citizens. Does your country grant all of its same rights to non-citizens? Even within the EU there are limitations for non-citizens. So to answer your question, yes, your premise doesn’t have anything to do with whether or not Israel can be considered a democracy.

      • jim

        WRONG !Israel’s apartheid system, affects Palestinian Arabs who make up 20 percent of the population within Israel itself. Apartheid is a central feature of the Zionist state that proclaims it is exclusively for Jews.(has there ever been a “democratic” state that grants legal privileges to some and denies rights to others based on religious affiliation or descent ?)

        About 1.2 million Palestinian Israelis, who MAKE UP 20 percent, or one-fifth, of Israel’s population, have second-class citizenship within Israel, which defines itself as a Jewish state rather than a state for all its citizens. More than 50 provisions of Israel’s principal laws discriminate, either directly or indirectly, against non-Jews, according to Adalah: The Legal Center for Minority Rights in Israel.

      • jim

        From the Israel based Adalah legal centre site -“There are more than 50 Israeli laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel in all areas of life, including their rights to political participation, access to land, education, state budget resources, and criminal procedures. Some of the laws also violate the rights of Palestinians living in the 1967 OPT and Palestinian refugees.”

        You can also see Adalah’s Brief on Discriminatory Laws and Bills Since 2009, and compiled Pending Discriminatory Bills in the 19th Israeli Knesset.

        This database collects text, analyses, and legal action for present and proposed discriminatory laws in Israel and the OPT. If you dont believe it look it up yourself and please explore:
        http://adalah.org/eng/Israeli-Discriminatory-Law-Database

        New Discriminatory Laws and Bills in Israel
        Issued June 2011, updated October 2012
        http://adalah.org/Public/files/English/Legal_Advocacy/Discriminatory_Laws/Discriminatory-Laws-in-Israel-October-2012-Update.pdf

      • jim

        Hmmm thats odd because-There are more than 50 Israeli laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel in all areas of life, including their rights to political participation, access to land, education, state budget resources, and criminal procedures. Some of the laws also violate the rights of Palestinians living in the 1967 OPT and Palestinian refugees.
        http://adalah.org/eng/Israeli-Discriminatory-Law-Database

    • Bill Tilghman

      Your lack of understanding of what constitutes democracy is very apparent with statements like that one.

      • jim

        So tell me Bill how can a state like Israel-which grants legal privileges to some and denies rights to others based on religious affiliation or descent – be considered a democracy ?
        Care to clarify that Topsy turvy worldview of yours ?
        what will you be claiming next I wonder ?
        That -War is peace, Freedom is slavery and Ignorance is strength !

        • Bill Tilghman

          Any state that restricts privileges to individuals isn’t a democracy by your standards, huh, jim? I suppose you can tell me the list of legitimate democracies you consider to be genuine then. Fine. Let’s see your list, and then I will dissect it for you.

          • jim

            Bill are you deliberately being obtuse ?
            The following are considered as essential elements of a modern democracy:
            Respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms

            Freedom of association

            Freedom of expression and opinion

            Access to power and its exercise in accordance with the rule of law

            The holding of periodic free and fair elections by universal suffrage and by secret ballot as the expression of the will of the people

            A pluralistic system of political parties and organizations

            The separation of powers

            The independence of the judiciary

            Transparency and accountability in public administration

            Free, independent and pluralistic media

            There are more than 50 Israeli laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel in all areas of life, including their rights to political participation, access to land, education, state budget resources, and criminal procedures.

            Israel has an apartheid style of democracy !

          • Bill Tilghman

            You have no clue what democracy is – Israeli law is designed to serve the legitimate citizens of Israel, and those who break the law with acts of terrorism are going to be prosecuted under Israeli law. You spew a lot of accusations here with absolutely no proof of them what so ever. This is really moot anyway since neither of us lives in Israel nor are we part of the legal system of that nation.

            Your screams of apartheid come straight from Hamas. You are an agent of Hamas, that you have made very clear.

          • jim

            So in your book -20 % of the Israeli population (Christians,Muslims and druze) dont qualify as legitimate citizens in Israel
            Thats one hell of a flawed idea of what democracy means -Bill
            But as usual its just more baseless accusations-backed up by no verifiable sources huh- Bill
            Israel is known as an apartheid state by decent folks the world over
            It seems the smoke from your burning Liars pants are clouding your judgment if you cant see that !

  • jim

    I do NOT support Hamas and its methods in anyway what so ever -but a certain canard is being used to justify the murder of innocent civilians in Gaza
    maybe it is time to put this oft repeated canard to the test!

    The canard about “human shields”usually seems to be the main basis and justification for most Israeli apologists support of the collective punishment and wholesale slaughter of Gaza,s 1.8 million prison camp population -so it is an issue worth exploring

    Can anyone that believes this canard or supports collective punishment-provide ONE or more VERIFIABLE sources (with or without an axe to grind)that documents the use of human shields by Gazan,s ?

    George Orwell -In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary ACT.
    ( Not ALL 1.8 million of them are members of Hamas)

  • jim

    Antisemitism

  • jim

    Odd how Beck describes it as a “Civilian” hotel -Is there such a thing as a “military” hotel also !Lol

    • Bert_1

      Yes. There are a number of them in the US, usually in tourist areas. there is at least one in Hawaii.

  • jim

    Dissecting IDF propaganda: The numbers behind the rocket attacks-published November 17, 2012
    Israeli spokespeople frequently remind the world that a million Israeli citizens are within range of Gaza rockets,
    However, we are rarely told exactly how many people have been killed by these rocket attacks.

    Counting the dead
    Below is a list of all the fatalities of rocket and mortar attacks fired from the Gaza Strip into Israel in the entire history of these attacks(report covers up till 2012). Throughout the years of rocket attacks into Israel, a total of 26 people have been killed altogether.
    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/dissecting-idf-propaganda-the-numbers-behind-the-rocket-attacks.html

  • Guest

    BREAKING: Jewish Voice for Peace – Philadelphia members led from Jewish Federation of Greater Philadelphia in handcuffs for protesting group’s support for Gaza slaughter
    JVP statement
    “A growing segment of the Jewish community opposes the violent policies of Israel and its occupation of Palestine… yet CJP and the JCRC claim to speak with a monolithic Jewish voice. They do not speak for us.”

  • jim

    BREAKING: Jewish Voice for Peace – Philadelphia members led from Jewish Federation of Greater Philadelphia in handcuffs for protesting group’s support for Gaza slaughter

    JVP statement

    “A growing segment of the Jewish community opposes the violent policies of Israel and its occupation of Palestine… yet CJP and the JCRC claim to speak with a monolithic Jewish voice. They do not speak for us.”

    • Bert_1

      You want REAL genocide, Jim/ Have a look at this: http://twitchy.com/2014/08/07/we-are-being-slaughtered-yazidi-kurds-face-genocide-video/

      It is coming to a neighborhood near you unless we stop it. This obsession with Israel is permitting this to go on unabated.

      • jim

        I really don’t know why you think I am going to defend some fanatical Islamist s who are murdering Yazidi Kurds(Zoroastrianism is one of the cooler religions btw)
        Im against the Zionists genocidal policy’s in Gaza because it is immoral and down right wrong to inflict collective punishment on a captive occupied civilian population!

        Btw you still never answered- If Israel can be Jewish and democratic ?— i.e. Can a state which grants legal privileges to some and denies rights to others based on religious affiliation or descent – be considered a democracy. ?

  • Bert_1

    I see that the Hamas terrorists have broken the cease fire agreement. But, I suspect that Israel is to blame.

    • jim

      Wonder how long that will last -with racists like the Deputy Speaker in the Knesset ?

      Deputy Speaker of Israeli Knesset Calls for Expulsion and Jewish Reoccupation of Gaza
      http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39362.htm
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc7Xsowcwiw

      • Bert_1

        And Jim calls for the attempted genocide of the Jews. Who is worse?

        • jim

          Now you really are grasping at straws Bert-the deputy speakers words are verifiable-just because someone is against the genocidal policy’s of the Zionist leadership-it doesn’t mean that their against the Jewish people-is your worldview so myopic or are you just desperate to score Zionist browny points?

        • jim

          Gee -have I rattled your cage!
          your really scraping the bottom of the hasbara barrel!-if your stooping so low as to make baseless accusations without merit- Bert !!!

    • jim

      false flag bert !Lol

  • Rollingsworth_T_Vestibule

    “We’re witnessing something very, very unusual” It is NOT very, very or even very or simply unusual at all. The Murderers called Hamas or as I call them Hamassholes are preparing what they do regularly. You can see that Tent as can the Hamassholes in charge of that area. THere should be a House to House search to root out the armed terrorists from the regular unarmed ones. I pray for Israel and the few in Palastine who aren’t in to this dangerous game of Murder and Terror.

    • jim

      Hmm-As a ceasefire is agreed after 50 days of conflict between Israel and Hamas,at least 504 children have been killed indiscriminately by the IDF in Gaza, comprising almost quarter of the total Palestinian dead

      In one example senior U.S. military sources speaking on condition of anonymity offered scathing assessments of Israeli tactics, particularly in the Shujaiya neighborhood of Gaza City.‘The only possible reason for doing that is to kill a lot of people in as short a period of time as possible … It’s not mowing the lawn. It’s removing the topsoil.’ said a senior U.S. military officer of the IDF

      It was collective punishment war crime on a huge scale- if even 10 percent of the shells fired at combatants in Shujaiya landed close to but did not hit their targets — a higher than average rate of accuracy — that would have meant at least 700 lethal shells landing among the civilian population of Shujaiya during the night of July 20 into June 21. And the kill radius of even the most precisely targeted 155-mm shell is 164 feet. Put another -precision weapons aren’t all that precise.

      Israel’s agenda excludes good faith. Decades of conflict, repression and occupation harshness attest to its dark side.

      Expect no change enough to matter this time. Promises made are broken. It’s longstanding Israeli policy. Major issues remain unresolved.