Why did the French Revolution fail and the American Revolution succeed?

Glenn opened Monday’s Glenn Beck Program explaining the world is filled with many complexities, but these complexities all boil down to three simple themes:

1. Everyone wants to belong to something
2. Everyone wants to be heard
3. Everyone wants a least a little bit of control over their daily lives

Conflict,therefore, arises when those in power try to exert too much control over the masses. This cycle has repeated itself throughout history, and, as Glenn explained, in order to avoid these trappings in the future we must understand the past. Over the course of the hour, historians David Barton and Larry Schweikart took an in-depth look at various points in history in which we saw people – with various degrees of success – attempt to rise up against those in power.

The first topic of conversation was the French and American revolutions. In comparing the two revolutions, it becomes clear there is a fundamental differences in the way frustration with authority manifested itself. As a result, the American Revolution was able to succeed where the French Revolution failed.

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As Barton and Schweikart explained, the American Revolution was based on upholding the rights of the individual. The Declaration of Independence clearly states: All men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights.

“We start with premise that the individual is what’s key here,” Barton said. “We will protect your right as an individual even if you are the only one in the nation who needs that right or wants that right. They are God given rights.”

On the contrary, the driving force behind the French Revolution was based on a segmented group rather than the individual.

“When you look at the French Revolution, the French Revolution started out with the desire for envy,” Barton explained. “What spilt France was that you had people that wanted what other people had.”

This desire did not just pertain to material goods but to the rights of individuals as well.

“One of the first things that stands out about France is that rights were based not on individuals but on groups,” Barton said. “You had group rights rather than individual rights.”

Because of this ‘us vs. them’ mentality, the French experienced a number of revolutions in quick succession. Whatever group won the first revolution became the enemy of the next revolution, and the cycle continued on and on.

What made the American Revolution so unique was that the Founding Fathers didn’t actually consider it to be a revolution. As Barton explained, no one was looking for a “split” at the time, and the Founding Fathers considered the turmoil to be a “Civil War.”

“They made a big distinction between being offensive and defensive,” he said.

For years, the Founders sought to find common ground with the monarchy, but the more they sought to reconcile, the more Britain responded with force. It wasn’t until the Olive Branch Petition was sent in 1775 and King George III responded by sending 25,000 troops to the colonies that it became clear a political solution was not possible.

When you consider current state of the United States, Barton believes we are very far from that point of no return. It is important to remember the goal was never to cause conflict but rather to stand up for rights and principles.

“They didn’t want to assert something. They wanted to defend something,” Barton said of the Founding Fathers. “We’re at the point [today] where we want to exercise our rights, but we’re looking for somebody to whack while we do it. That’s the wrong mentality.”

What can be dangerous – as we saw with the French Revolution – is when people become so polarized they adopt an us against them mentality and fail to find common ground.

“That is what has always characterized other revolutions. It has never ended well,” Barton concluded. “Only when you stand on that common ground and refused to be moved from it… only then do you end up with a revolution that works because you are doing it on the rule of law – not on the rule of man.”

  • Bat Masterson

    Freedom fries and freedom toast.
    Last supper b4 the Rapture!

    • Susie Blanchard

      So you recommend that liberty is not worth fighting for. Typical right winger.

      A slave to the welfare mentality of the bible. You embody everything that you claim to hate.

  • landofaahs

    Uh, because the people responsible for the American Revolution believed in freedom of the individual and limited government while the French Revolutionists were communist/socialist. or commonly known in this country as democrats.

    • Bill Tilghman

      Absolutely, while Americans fought for liberty from oppression, the French fought to become substitute oppressors, and they did a bang up job of it with the guillotine.

      • jim

        Let them eat cake !!!

    • fire lion

      You don’t even know what communism is.

    • http://suzeraining.wordpress.com/ suz

      progressives…not democrats.

      i make that same mistake…often.

  • soybomb315

    Because the french revolution was not about the idea of maximum individual freedom – DUH.

    Why do the people at Glenn Beck’s flagship pretend like you have to be some kind of new-age psych expert to understand simple principles? This segment could determined the answer in 1 minute and i am not sure their convoluted answers are even correct – but hey, facetime is what the people pay for.

    • CORMAC___NJ

      If you think everyone in this country is about maximizing personal freedom, maybe you haven’t gotten out much. The revolutionaries running the Democratic party sure don’t see things that way, and the mainstream media is their propaganda machine.

      Stating the obvious is only unnecessary when it is already understood and appreciated by all.

      • soybomb315

        “If you think everyone in this country is about maximizing personal freedom, maybe you haven’t gotten out much.”

        What in the world did i say to lead you to this conclusion?

      • Susie Blanchard

        That does not give the right the right to support nothing but welfare mentality. America is a two tiered despotism. The bible & the state mutually support one another, while each advances in abuse of the American People through blaming the other for everything.

        The right wants welfare mentality despotism alone. Because the left wants the same thing, you get mad. Wake up. America would not be this far gone if a theology was better than communist/socialist practices.

    • Susie Blanchard

      Because they worship the welfare mentality of they bible. The right embodies everything that it says it hates. It can never offer individual liberty, or any liberty for that matter because the right wants a despotic, welfare mentality based theocracy & nothing else.

      Why does the right never talk about liberty? Are the principals of individual government so complex? No.

      They need for the American People to be dependent on the church. They literally would rather die than want anything but welfare despotism in America.

      Hence their present status as a power. The right is only going to devolve. It chose the bible, in other words, it chose loss & painful demise.

      • http://spsrchaplain.org Ward Clinton

        “welfare mentality of the bible”? You are clueless – the Bible rejects welfare and warns against it among other things.


          She might be confused because it expounds the virtues of charity. Difference being charity is voluntary and welfare is taken from people at the end of a gun.

          • Susie Blanchard


            WTF do you not understand about the bible being welfare mentality despotism?

            Teaching charity is your welfare benefit. They are “helping” you, same as obamcare help heal your body.

        • Susie Blanchard

          The bible teaches that everything is provided to you for free, by some guy who lives in the sky. Maybe you do not know that welfare is provided for free.

          If the bible was interested in people earning things, you let me know. That is not the case & you know it. The bible instills in you a need for welfare & despotism.

          It provides, yes? It makes you earn never. IT IS WELFARE!

      • Watch it

        What planet are you from?

        • Susie Blanchard

          In America we have cable tv, with channels that are broadcasting the christian message. What is that message invariably? Everything is provided for free, abandon liberty & self government for their welfare benefits. You are always taken care of when you give all of your personal responsibility in life to them. & by the way, they need your money.

          If you have cable tv, turn it on. Partly they are telling you how evil the people who abandon their welfare mentality are, but the rest is sheer despotism.

          Do you ever wonder why Americans cant solve problems anymore? Here in America, we expect jesus to do it.

          That is pretty freaking insane.

          The bible teaches everyone that everything is provided for free by some guy up in the clouds. & fools like you stand around with your ignorant hands out.

          It sure as %&45*() didnt tell you to work for a living, now did it???

          • Watch it

            This idea you have that the Right is pro-welfare doled out by the government is totally flawed. The welfare state was the invention of the left. Google FDR and the New Deal, then try LBJ and the Great Society. And of course there is Obama and government controlled healthcare.

            Christian doctrine does not advocate that people should not be responsible for themselves and expect others to provide for them – nor do Conservatives. Whats that verse about teach a man to fish as opposed to give a man a fish? Or the one about a man working for his keep because those who don’t don’t deserve the handout?

            I am not into Bible verse, but from what I have learned, what you are saying is pure hog wash. You have taken Scriptures and twisted them unrecognizably into some insane vision that you have developed.

            You can hate the Christian religion, the Bible, and Conservatives all you want – that is your right, but those thoughts you have been expressing are delusional. But that’s your problem. It’s just a shame that you feel compelled to spread your craziness around the boards instead of keeping it quiet, learning the truth, and getting help.

  • 2 IT too

    The elite GLOBALIST agenda BEHIND the ‘French’ revolution
    did NOT fail.

    Europe was UNDONE for decades.

    RULE by ‘PSY—-ANTS’ prevailed.

    The old, one should say GENUINE cultures received their first
    of many LETHAL blows.

    ‘INTER—naitonalism’ hiding behind inter-nationalistic
    ‘nationalism’ –took flight.

    ‘IN–DUST–RE—-ALLLL—ism’ was jump started.

    The ‘RA’–dick–ALLLL’ spirit of Robespierre et al
    went on to live again in LENIN —TROTSKY —STALIN
    ——HITLER and MAO.

    MAO, even now, beams across TIENNAMEN and the world
    and is all but legitimized.

    EUGENICS were, and still ARE! – – – —in the AIR!

    IN FACT! —–like NEVER before!

    MEANWHILE- – –

    How’s that profile of George Washington and Patrick Henry lookin’?

    How’s the GENUINE american spirit of scripture and
    Calvinism lookin’?

    How’re the skies? –and those CHEM–trails lookin’?

    How’s America itself lookin’?

    How’re YOU yourself lookin?


    • Susie Blanchard

      You haven’t got a clue what liberty is or how is manifests itself in a nation, huh? Just going to play the “blame the other side” card until your welfare check gets here & is merciful to your ignorant agony.

      Typical right wing brainwashed nut case.

      Couldn’t want liberty if your life depended on it.

      Not that your leaders are any brighter.

    • Cory

      Sorry, but that sure sounded like a bunch of gibberish to me. I have absolutely NO idea what in the world you were trying to say!

  • Yo Mamma

    Lol, which revolution? The present one? The one where illegal, majority Catholic illegals enter into the country and add to the millions of unemployed and bleed off the social support? That revolution? The revolution that a once great super power is brought to its knees by people of color. Oh yes. You think the Africans forgot slavery? You think the Mexicans forgot Texas? LOL

    • psycho francis

      Kk kevin, what the hell are you talking about? Catholics are the problem? What is this, 1920? You make other conservatives look bad. Take that racist shyte over to the dems where it belongs.

      • Yo Mamma

        There are a minuscule number of wars when a church was not involved. Present day with the treasures of the Catholics is no different


          You realize that your hatred for Catholics is undeserved. I am one and I made a conscious decision to put my belief in the US Constitution over my belief in my religion. Many other people have too. If you’re a Christian, you worship the same god as Catholics. There have been high numbers of Catholics in the US since the 1850s. That’s when the Potato Famine brought hundreds of thousands of Irish Immigrants to the US. You’re just trying to incite racist vitriol so that you don’t feel alone in your backward way of thinking. Anyone who thinks warfare for God is even an option, is a monster and should be proclaimed as such.

          • Yo Mamma

            You hate God Creator

            This is evident in your choice of religion

            You defile Torah and display it in front of your bible as a trophy stolen from a religion that its an inheritance and sacred

            You are a heathen

            But just as God Creator does not HATE you, I do not HATE you. I just do not tolerate your nonsense

          • Cory

            Whoa, hang on there Mr. Mamma. We are all members of the human race. You need to lighten up dude.

          • Yo Mamma

            Not all humanity chooses to display another religion’s sacred text in front of their bible, as a trophy.

            Not all humanity Hate God Creator

            Not all humanity choose to follow other gods other than God Creator

    • Mythslayer

      Whose fault is it the U.S. has a social support system to bleed? Rhetorical.

      Was the enslavement of whites by the caliphate forgotten? How many years did that go on? Oh yeah, it’s still happening.

      You asked, “You think the Africans forgot slavery?”
      Is Black slavery still occurring here? NO.
      And who helped stop slavery in the U.S.? Ans.:The whites and the church.
      SLAVERY is just evil vs good, skin color is just a tool used by evil.

      Did the Mexicans forget their own history in that they only held the country for 15 years after taking if from Spain? A very turbulent, unsettled 15 years, too. Spain had it for over 300 years.?

      And it was the MEXICANS in TEXAS that wanted freedom from the dictator in Mexico, It was the MEXICANS in TEXAS that wanted to join the U.S. as the state of Texas.
      So, who forgot or just didn’t bother to learn the truth?

      • Yo Mamma

        Is Black slavery still occurring here? NO.

        Thats what you think and want to think and are convinced

        But if you cannot rise above POVERTY working a good job for almost no wage….

        Its not different to SL-A-VERY

        get it thru your t-hic-k skull

        • Mythslayer

          Now you want to change the definition?
          Slavery to you is poverty?

          Well, slavery in my dictionary is one human being saying they own another human being. Where’d you get your definition?

          I’ve seen and lived in REAL poverty and most in the U.S. do NOT know what is REAL poverty.

          So please, when you grow up and stop your ad hominem attacks, come back and I’ll be glad to have a real discussion with you. Until then, the adults are having a discussion, go back to your Lincoln Logs, Legos or Mind Craft, whatever you kids do these days.

          • Yo Mamma

            Torah promotes SLAVERY

            God Creator likes slavery for humans

            But slaves have rights too

            You cannot starve laborers that work an honest job

            You must pay an living wage

            If not you are worse that a slave man

            You are a greedy, person that extorts the poor and that is criminal

            PS> If u want reference to the opinions of God Creator, look at the Torah in front of your Christian bibles. The trophy your fathers chose to shove there as a reminder of a religion they tried to destroy

        • Watch it

          That is all because of the Democrats enslaving the poor to the welfare state.

        • Steve Sepos

          no one is created to give somebody else a job, you need to find a need and fill it, no matter what color you are

  • MofPennsy

    Sure, America had guys mere Colonials, (thus Middle Class), who read that all are created Equal by God. In Fr. you had thousands of potential Leaders evolved to bring down the formerly fittest elite.

    • Susie Blanchard

      I hope that you are not implying that the welfare mentality despotism of the bible is god. Sure you can say that we are all created equal, but by the bible we are created in the likeness of sheer painful welfare mentality despotism.

      Think about it, the bible does nothing but tell you to avoid personal responsibility at any & all costs. Does that sound healthy? It is not. The bible is the source of all suffering in America, because the behaviors that we learn from it are making us fit to be nothing but slaves to despotism.

      • Mythslayer

        Please tell WHAT Bible your are using and quote chapter and verse.
        Otherwise, you are making no sense.

        • Picachu1

          She’s making no sense what so ever any way. I’m sure she could find some out of context scriptures to support her insane assumptions. That’s the problem is everyone can use the bible to support their idea by taking words and scriptures completely out of context. Out of context it may look like one thing but the clear intent was a totally different thing when in context as to what the subject matter is.

        • http://spsrchaplain.org Ward Clinton

          Perhaps she is actually referring to the Koran. (LOL)

      • Picachu1

        U are not talking about the kjb or the right. Your statements are idiotic cut and pasted BS.

  • Adam Jenson

    I’m getting really tired of Glenn’s twisting the facts, past and present, to suit his new call to “unity” with the left. Most of us know what happened the last time some fool said “there will be peace in our time”. The FR was the grand daddy of leftist revolutions, it failed because morally and philosophically, there was no other way it could turn out. They were socialists/fascists (i.e. statists) just like modern day communists. French philosophers like Rousseau were the “founding fathers” of Marxism, and argued against private property, Christianity, and virtually everything else that made the American Revolution successful.

    I’m not calling for a new American revolution, I’m saying the left’s ideology must be defeated not united with. Compromise with the left IS the reason socialists like Obama have grown in power. When the left has a set back (like 2004) it never says “well we lost so we need to compromise and be more like the right”. No, the left does the exact opposite! They push their message even HARDER! But for some reason some on the right think the why to spread their message is become softer and work with the left instead of against the left. That will never work, you can’t compromise with people who want to destroy you, they MUST be defeated.

    • Susie Blanchard

      The bible is welfare mentality. You must know this. But how can you justify the right building nothing but welfare mentality in America through its bible & then acting like the left causes all of our problems? Do you deny that the bible can never be more than entitlement mentality induced despotism?

      Or, is it alright for you, so long as others do not mimic your behavior?

      You claim to not want truth, just the relentless pursuit of despotism, or the right wings insane political agenda.

      If the right was trying to build liberty, we would not be here. Are you willing to die for your brand of welfare despotism, even knowing that that is what it is?

      • Adam Jenson

        What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have
        ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you
        even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
        Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award
        you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

        • Susie Blanchard

          What is it that the bible teaches that is not welfare mentality. I mean, I get that you are only capable of attacking me personally because you can never answer that. But tell me where the bible tells us to do things for ourselves.

          The bible is sheer welfare mentality. I lavishes promises that everything is provided for free. Do you not understand that they only tell you to avoid doing things for yourself, in order to take everything away?

          Do you not understand how destructive welfare mentality is to a person, a nation?

          If you cant do anything but insult me personally, dont bother. I get it. You cant refute me.

          • Adam Jenson

            2 Thessalonians 3:10 “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

      • Picachu1

        U r ridiculous. U think u keep saying the same wrong and incorrect thing that it will be believed; What’s next all caps?zzzzzz. It’s just cut and pasted garbage.

  • ThorsteinVeblen2012

    The catalyst of the French Revolution differed from the American Revolution. In France the monarchy controlled the economy and while they live in outrageous wealth the rest of the country was starving.

    From the outset of the French Revolution there was coalition of monarchies who saw a constitutional government as an existential threat that they needed to extinguish.

    Through the twists and convulsions of the revolution, the Reign of Terror and Napoleon the basic principles of representative government were hijacked.

    The final defeat of Napoleon occasioned the Treaty of Vienna and the establishment of the Conservative Order who’s express purpose was to stamp out democracy and constitutional government wherever it raised it’s head.

    These conditions led to the largely failed revolutions of 1848 and finally the control of Europe ended in the bloody conflagration of 1914.

    So some French nobles lost their heads to the guillotine? Better that than millions dying in the trenches of France.

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  • jim

    The French Revolution had a far greater impact on Europe and the world than the American Revolution did. The French Revolution led to the disruption of the European hierarchies and nobilities. Napoleon was a byproduct of the Revolution, After his defeat, the monarchies had a hard time reinstating themselves, and weren’t able to consolidate the same power that they had held before without usually seeing widespread resistance.

    Similarities? Both wanted to oust monarchs, sought a slightly more democratic way of government that didn’t rest in the hands of one man, hence the checks and balances found in the American’s Constitution. Both were successful, albeit the Americans were more successful since the US didn’t get reverted back to a monarchy after a few decades.

  • Susie Blanchard

    More importantly, what would it take to restore the liberty of Americas founding to America now? There is only one answer: A Revolution.

    The right has caused the welfare mentality in America today to destroy us. The left has cashed in on what the right has created by erecting a despotic state over us.

    The right will never let go of its entitlement mentality because it seems to believe that that is the only legitimate way to run a nation. The left merely takes advantage of the despotism that the right builds inside of our populous.

    The right, because of its horrific affliction with welfare mentality, can never ever fathom liberty. Or a nation governed by people. It must tell us that we should never stand on our own two feet, that we only should ever stand here with our hands held out to the welfare of the holy bible.

    The right & the left are two gigantic despotic faction, with no idea of what they are doing. Their powers of despotism has grown slowly, so that they did not feel how wrong they were. & here we are, on the verge of collapse & the right continues to destroy liberty in America with its absolute entitlement agenda.

    The right is a despotic welfare theocracy. The left is the result. Both will remain as such because they both subsist on hate for the other alone.

    In short, America now must collapse into a painful demise because of the politics of insanity by habit, from all of us.

    No side tells the truth. No side knows what liberty is anymore. Libertarians? Just as wasted as the rest of us.

    As long as all of us are wrong, like the French were, liberty will not exist in America. The right has got to admit that the bible is the source of all of Americas demise today. Welfare mentality just should not be tolerated anymore.

    The right has got to learn to tell the truth. & then rebuild actual liberty based on teeny tiny governments controlled directly by people or being declared illegal.

    • The Blue Tail Gadfly

      Hi Susie

      You wrote that revolution is the only answer, could you please clarify that for me. Do you mean going to war to overthrow the current corrupt government that was elected or because it’s our form of government that is bad, i.e. the US Constitution?

      Or are you using the word in the context John Adams did when writing on the American Revolution?

      “But what do we mean by the American Revolution? Do we mean the American
      War? The Revolution was effected before the War commenced. The
      Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people, a change in their
      religious sentiments of their duties and obligations.”

      In the same letter, John Adams gives a very crucial warning about revolutions.

      “They may teach mankind that revolutions are no trifles; that they ought
      never to be undertaken rashly; nor without deliberate consideration and
      sober reflection; nor without a solid, immutable, eternal foundation of
      justice and humanity; nor without a people possessed of intelligence,
      fortitude, and integrity sufficient to carry them with steadiness, patience, and perseverance through all the vicissitudes of fortune, the fiery trials, and melancholy disasters they may have to encounter.”




      “The generation which commences a revolution rarely complete it. Habituated from their infancy to passive submission of body and mind to
      their kings and priests, they are not qualified when called on to think and provide for themselves; and their inexperience, their ignorance and
      bigotry make them instruments often in the hands of the Bonapartes and
      Iturbides to defeat their own rights and purposes.” –Thomas Jefferson
      to John Adams, 1823.

      • Susie Blanchard

        I understand why you ask. These days is it right against left. No, that will only end in failure. I think that neither side comprehends how it is destroying America & would be willing to admit its wrongs in order to give America the future of rich, peaceful happiness that only individual control can bring.

        It must be a civil revolution. A united effort by all Americans to reconstruct liberty through the elimination of waste brought on by the public ignorance that both parties live by.

        No one on the right right now is capable of building liberty. No one even knows what liberty is. The right is a faction that supports welfare despotism only. We would need a civil revolution by all Americans to reject welfare despotism of both theocrats & communist/socialists.

        99.9% of what we have in America today exists because our political factions, i.e., republicans & democrats, are able to keep us ignorant of where our money goes. They keep the focus on how bad the other half is, when both have zero intention of being any better than the other one.

        We are engaged in massive debt accumulation because they give us the impression that either welfare bible mentality or welfare state mentality is the only thing that life is about. The power is supposed to be in the church & the state they tell us & never in the American People.

        The right will build welfare mentality & blame the left for our problems, while the left plays by the same rules. I think we know that there is something wrong, but these factions have no interest in doing anything that builds government and, for, & by the people.

        We need the kind of revolution that is civil & removes all of what we have to replace it with a government that can be maintained by the consent of the people. It has to be small, it has to be local, or it will end up insanely out of control like what we have now.

        The right has got to end its sheer welfare mentality before anything can be done. You know that welfare mentality in America comes from the bible right? We need to recognize that & reject it & then build a nation based on truth, that allows for only individuals to govern it.

        Pitifully, the right has to continue looking back because being worse than the left, the right has absolutely no way forward for America or her people.

        • Picachu1

          U r delusional. The right is welfare minded? Really. You need to stop smokin whatever your smoking and wake up.

          • Cory

            I’m not certain, but I believe that when Susie uses the word “Right”, perhaps what she really means is “Republicans”. If I am wrong, then I am clueless as to what she is saying. It would make no sense.

          • Susie Blanchard

            Because no one on the right voted for romney, & none of you will do it again as he loses to hillary this time. Yeah, I meant republicans, not christians. Sure buddy. Act like you are not as stupid as you vote. Those “republicans” own you & you know it. Oh look, here comes jesus! Run away minion!

          • Susie Blanchard

            I said that the bible is welfare mentality. The bible teaches people that we are supposed to never do things for ourselves. We are supposed to expect that everything is provided for free. The right clings desperately to jesus because it is too stupid to figure out that the bible is the opposite of everything that it really wants.

            Go ahead & hide inside of your own stupidity, but America is moving on. We are sick of you losers.

          • Eldjr

            Susie, your rhetoric parallels that of several “objectivists” that I know. That may be coincidental. Are you a fan of Ayn Rand?

          • Eldjr

            If the day comes when you realize that you didn’t give yourself life, you may pause to consider that every human being is the recipient of a gift that no one – no matter how powerful or wise – can appropriate for themselves. Not only that, but it defies mankind to “make life”; he can only – to a limited extent – continue it or end it. Life either comes from a Creator, or by Spontaneous Generation. Which is it? Pasteur’s Law of Biogenesis states: “Life can only come from life”.

            “The bible teaches people that we are supposed to never do things for ourselves. We are supposed to expect that everything is provided for free.”

            Can you be specific with a preponderance of Scripture evidence [not an isolated passage] as to how Christians are “to expect that everything is provided for free.”?

          • Picachu1

            False, the bible says ,”whatever you find to do, do with all of your might”

        • The Blue Tail Gadfly

          Hello again

          When you write of liberty while rejecting the Bible, it becomes increasingly apparent that in using the same word, we do not all mean the same thing.

          “…the liberty asserted is not a licentiousness of doing what is pleasing to everyone against the command of God; but an exemption from all human laws, to which they have not given their assent.” ~Algernon Sydney, Discourses Concerning Government

          I’m sorry, but your solution of rejecting the Bible and becoming a democracy is not a solution at all. It’s already been done and failed, see the history of Greece. If you understood the lessons in the Bible, you would know it doesn’t matter what form of human government is erected, our sin-nature will eventually erode it. As we see happening with our Constitutional Republic, which btw has been the best of all by far.

          Because you reject the Bible as the bedrock of truth, I don’t believe there is anything I can write to make you change your mind so I will end it here.

          Have a nice day,


          “The fundamental source of all your errors, sophisms, and false reasonings, is a total ignorance of the natural rights of mankind. Were you once to become acquainted with these, you could never entertain a thought, that all men are not, by nature, entitled to a parity of privileges. You would be convinced, that natural liberty is a gift of the beneficent
          Creator, to the whole human race; and that civil liberty is founded in that; and cannot be wrested from any people, without the most manifest violation of justice. Civil liberty is only natural liberty, modified and secured by the sanctions of civil society. It is not a thing, in its own nature, precarious and dependent on human will and caprice; but it is conformable to the constitution of man, as well as necessary to the well-being of society.” ~Alexander Hamilton, The Farmer Refuted

          • Eldjr

            A wonderful, articulate apology for truth, BTG. I thoroughly enjoy and endorse your point!

            And thanks for the Hamilton citation. I hadn’t seen it before.

            Only those who themselves demand license to violate the rights of others care not for the defense of their own. Herein is the key to progressivism. It is a mutual bondage entered into that others may be so bound. The Scripture image is of tares bound for burning just before the harvest; but the Master declares that they shall be “gathered out of the kingdom”, and then the precious grain gathered into the garner.

            I’ve read the end of the Book: The Hero gets the girl.

          • The Blue Tail Gadfly

            Hi Eldjr

            When you have time you should read Hamilton’s, ‘The Farmer Refuted’. It’s a masterpiece that was written when he was only twenty years old in 1775. The “Farmer” was the pen name of Bishop Samuel Seasbury, a loyalist to the Crown.


            “All human constitutions are subject to corruption, and must perish, unless they are timely renewed, and reduced to their first principles.” ~Algernon Sidney, Discoursces Concerning Government

            Instead of arguing for a return to first principles, we have people/factions continuing to introduce corrupting foreign principles as the solution. They may indeed get their way but they are in for a rude awakening.

            Those of us who keep the faith know what is coming and Who ultimately prevails in the end. As the world goes insane, only those who laid their foundation on the rock that is the Lord will escape this madness.

            Matthew 7:24-27

            24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. 26 Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”

            God bless,


            “About the Declaration there is a finality that is exceedingly restful. It is often asserted that the world has made a great deal of progress since 1776, that we have had new thoughts and new experiences which have given us a great advance over the people of that day, and that we may therefore very well discard their conclusions for something more modern. But that reasoning cannot be applied to this great charter. If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no
            equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary.” ~Calvin Coolidge

          • Eldjr

            I just followed your link to “The Farmer Refuted” and printed a PDF of the document. I shall peruse it closely. I also appreciate the Coolidge citation. I have PDF printed a cpouple of his speeches, as well. I’m building a nice library of ‘Principled’ authors. I appreciate your posts.

          • Susie Blanchard

            The bible teaches that the individual has to abandon all liberty & self worth, personal responsibility in order to be “saved”. It is obvious that the right does not want sound governments based on individual liberty. The right want welfare mentality based despotism.

            Give me one example of the bible teaching human liberty. Not them “helping”, because that is welfare, but liberty, us doing for ourselves. It does not exist.

            The rights political agenda continues to devolve & the American People will soon reject it completely. Not only is the bible anti-liberty, but we are sick of it being the only thing you people care about.

            You are only hurting yourselves. Go ahead & cling to your own loss, we really dont care anymore. You know that the bible is welfare mentality & you prefer nothing else. Its just sad.

            The bible tells you that everything is provided to you by some guy up in the sky, for free. That is welfare & that is all that you want. It is not about earning your way through life, you want a handout from jesus.

            Real life does not actually work that way.

          • The Blue Tail Gadfly

            Hi Susie,

            You keep confusing liberty with the freedom to do whatever you please, aka anarchy.

            “This is God’s universe and He does things His way. Now, you may have a better way of doing things, but you don’t have a universe.” ~J. Vernon McGee

            Btw, who is this “we” you keep referring to, e.g. “we are sick” and “we really don’t care anymore”? lol

            “It is in the interest of tyrants to reduce the people to ignorance and vice. For they cannot live in any country
            where virtue and knowledge prevail. The religion and public liberty of a people are intimately connected; their interests are interwoven, they cannot subsist separately; and therefore they rise and fall together. For this reason,
            it is always observable, that those who are combin’d to destroy the people’s liberties, practice every art to poison their morals.” ~Samuel Adams

            God bless,


            James 1:25

            But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.

            A Bonus:

            Galatians 5:1

            It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.

  • jeff.cox

    This is one more of Beck’s dilettantish misreadings of history. The French Revolution was a resounding success. It immediately heralded the end of French feudalism and eventually the monarchy, and the Declaration of the Rights of Man inspired democracies worldwide. French history played out a lot differently from US History, but largely because they weren’t a tiny indigenous colony of Englishmen. The French Revolution played out on a much larger and more diverse stage and underwent a lot of transitions.

  • Eldjr

    There’s a 800 lb. gorilla in the corner and Mr. Barton and Mr. Beck are ignoring it:

    The socio-political situation in pre-revolutionary France is precisely the reason why Church and State must be kept separate. Thanks to the St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre [and the pope had a medal struck to commemorate it] Catholicism was pretty much the only religion left operating in France at the time of the Revolution.

    The King upheld the Church, and the Church – through “Divine Right” – upheld the aristocracy. The King levied heavy taxes upon the people to benefit both Church and State.

    Anyone who thinks that the French Revolution was only a protest against the aristocracy is historically ignorant. It was as much a violent rejection of the State Church as it was against the aristocracy which empowered it.

    So complete was the rejection of catholicism that the revolutionaries even overthrew the seven-day week, and instituted a ten-day week in its place. Instead of a seventh-day rest and worship, they held a tenth-day “celebration” called the “Decade”. It is memorialized to this day in the word, “decadent”.

    Such was the dissipation of the civil fabric that after 3 and one-half years of chaos the seven-day week was restored, and religion permitted again within the territory of the State.

    I well know that many, many folks posting on this blog – and others – decry the concept of church-state separation, and sincerely believe that no such thing existed in the early days of the American Republic, but there’s a confusion regarding what “church-state separation” means.

    Reading Jefferson’s correspondence with the Danbury Baptists, including their letter to him, would be very instructive.

    Reading Madison’s “Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments in the Commonwealth of Virginia” also goes a long way toward finding the actual meaning and intent behind the phrase “church-state separation”.

    “Church-State separation”, historically, has meant that government is prohibited from either helping or hurting religion. It was a radical concept placed before a world that had never seen or heard of a nation so constituted. All nations, up to that point, had been organized and administered under religious control, and the abuses of the Catholic nations of Europe were in very close historical proximity to the Framers’ experience.

    They wanted absolutely no part in a nation that would place government at the mercy of any church or religious majority, and an honest and eclectic perusal of the writings of those Framers reveals that fact.

    The argument that credits the First Amendment’s existence to the desire to keep government “out of religion” ignores the history that reveals that it is always despotic religious power that takes control of the State, not the other way around.

    I speak to you who actually believe your Bibles [you atheists can skip this section]: Look at Revelation Chapter 17. It is the adulterous religious system of “Babylon the Great” [whoever you take that to be] that rides upon the back of the composite nation-beast having seven heads and ten horns.

    Prophecy declares tthat the world is going to come under the depotism of a false system of compromised and amalgamated religion exercising control over governments, not the other way around.

    Folks should pray for the eyesalve commended by Christ and open their eyes. If you think America will be exempt from the deception, you’re probably already deceived.

    God did not need the support of the State when Christ walked among us, nor when the leaders of Jerusalem persecuted His followers; Nor yet was the approbation of Caesar or his assigns required for the early church to blossom, bear fruit, and proliferate.

    The Imperial Roman government did its best to eradicate Christianity by sword and by flame and failed “Your injustice against us testifies of our innocence. You may mow us down, [but] the blood of Christians is seed” – Tertullian

    In the dark ages, the “Church” became a persecutor of those holding different opinions, and to this day holds to a right to persecute when empowered to do so.

    Invariably, this is done when church control over governmental institutions is secured. The Constitution’s Framers knew this history painfully well, and moved to secure the State from religious interference, thereby securing the individual right to conscience, as all other individual rights.

    “Letter from Benjamin Franklin to Richard Price”
    Benjamin Franklin

    October 9, 1780

    I am fully of your Opinion respecting religious Tests [laws prohibiting some from Public office by reason of their religious beliefs or affiliations];

    but, tho’ the People of Massachusetts have not in their new Constitution kept quite clear of them [religious ‘tests’], yet, if we consider what that People were 100 Years ago, we must allow they have gone great Lengths in Liberality of Sentiment on religious Subjects;

    and we may hope for greater Degrees of Perfection, when their Constitution, some years hence, shall be revised [to prohibit ‘religious tests’].

    If Christian Preachers had continued to teach as Christ and his Apostles did, without [public] Salaries, and as the Quakers now do, I imagine Tests would never have existed; for I think they were invented, not so much to secure Religion itself, as the Emoluments [benefits derived] of it.

    When a Religion is good, I conceive that it will support itself; and, when it cannot support itself, and God does not take care to support, so that its Professors are oblig’d to call for the help of the Civil Power, it is a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.

    But I shall be out of my Depth, if I wade any deeper in Theology, and I will not trouble you with Politicks, nor with News which are almost as uncertain;

    but conclude with a heartfelt Wish to embrace you once more, and enjoy your
    sweet Society in Peace, among our honest, worthy, ingenious Friends at the London.
    —— End Citation —–
    I will be glad to engage in dispassionate discussion of these points, if reason and history are both respected. Flames will be ignored.

    • Susie Blanchard

      The bible is a destructive instrument. The religions who fall under it are a mix of bad & good. The horrific curse over humanity that is the bible & the innocent loving heart of the human race. People today know nothing else other than the bible. In America it destroys all that we are no matter who we are, because there it stands at every corner telling us that we need to never do things for ourselves.

      If you look at the principals of limited government through liberty or individual rule, there are antithetical to the teachings of the bible. You can flip on your cable channel to the bible networks & they make grand promises that everything is provided for free & by the way the church needs some money. It is insane welfare mentality. It is the source of all of our problems in America.

      Then take a look at liberty, something the right will never know or feel. The ability of the individual to keep everything that they earn & be the authority in their lives & governments. You have to have a nation of people who reject all welfare. We only keep what we earn if we never need help. Also, the governments in America were never based on consent. Our governments need to be small enough & local enough, that we know what they are comprised of. All of this that we have today is usurpation.

      People on the right are increasingly crawling under their jesus & ignoring the outside world. The right is getting smaller & more irrelevant every day. They cling to their bibles & their guns & cower in ever smaller, darker & colder losses. I tell them that the bible is welfare mentality & they have lost their ability to see truth.

      The bible is the source of Americas problems. Theology world wide. It is based on welfare mentality. & people think that saves.

      Atheism is not helping matters either. They tell us that there is no god & no human soul. I believe that liberty is god. I proposition so radical that no one gets the true meaning. But only individuals are in power legitimately.

      • Eldjr

        Because you didn’t just “Flame” I’ll respond with logic.

        The Holy Bible [don’t know what ‘version’ you’re reading, I’m kind of stuck on the King James Bible from the majority text] says this about “welfare”.

        2 Thess. 3:6-15

        6 ¶ Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
        7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
        8 Neither did we eat any man’s bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:
        9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.
        10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
        11 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies
        12 Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.
        13 But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing.
        14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
        15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

        How is it that so many are experts on what the Bible teaches, yet are so ignorant of what it says?

        Classic progressive narcissism. Irrational self-esteem and belief in superior intellect and understanding yet lacking the most fundamental real education in those things that they adjudicate.

        “Atheism is not helping matters either. They tell us that there is no god & no human soul. I believe that liberty is god. I proposition so radical that no one gets the true meaning. But only individuals are in power legitimately.”

        Liberty cannot be God, because God endows human beings with Life, which demands Liberty, resulting in the pursuit of Happiness. It isn’t that “no one gets the true meaning”, Susie, but that you are confused and greatly err. That’s why people don’t agree.

        That you are a progressive is belied in that you cannot believe that someone who rejects your philosophy is rational or capable of understanding it. Rejection of a common Creator is hardly rational, and leaves only an endless war for survival through allocation of resources.

        Big Bang? Please don’t argue for that tired, old myth:

        A Cosmological Singularity, by its very definition, is inert.

        There is no differentiation of energy, matter, space or time:

        All are then of one substance and form.

        All is at equilibrium.

        No differentiation of charges, no heterogenous internal composition is possible, because there is no space for expression of differentiated forms of matter, in form, charge, or mass.

        In order for energy to be available for work, there must be an inequality in its distribution, which is, again – by definition of a ‘Singularity’ – completely impossible because there is no space within which differentiated matter [form, charge or mass] can exist,

        There is no such thing as a force that does not exist as a consequence of matter; ergo the “Cosmological Singularity” claimed to have existed, would remain at equilibrium – until or unless acted upon by Something external and not subject to the “Singularity” – a proposition utterly incompatable with the atheistic philosophy underlying the “Big Bang” hypothesis and consequent evolutionary pseudoscience.

        So the Big Bang is a myth, and hose who tenaciously cling to it as an excuse to exist believe in magic: an effect without a cause.

        If, therefore, there is a Creator, our lives come equally from that Creator, and all are endowed by that Creator with the right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

        Liberty, therefore, is no God, but it comes from the equality of fellowship under God as mankind’s common Creator Who gives Life.

        Those who claim the authority to deny man’s pursuit of Happiness, or man’s true Liberty, propose also to take men’s lives, therefore forfeiting their own.

        Here’s Jefferson’s definition of “Liberty”:

        “Of Liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But Rightful Liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add “within the limits of the law,” because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.” T. Jefferson

        I will look for your reasoned reply.

  • Yo Mamma

    Terrible news today that ISIS thugs have beheaded an American. Whats worse is they’re using despicable American Google for conveying their evil trade to the masses. Its on utube and they’re talking about it on twitter. I say shut down utube and twitter until this is settled

    • Susie Blanchard

      No, it is not terrible news for the right. The right thrives on human suffering. It really is allot sicker than the left. It brandishes human suffering across America saying “vote republican”, because no American would support you lunatics otherwise. You have nothing else to offer us.

      The right lives for people to suffer & to cash in politically for it. Oh look, so sad, they say. Liberty never more will cross the lips of the right.

  • freedomfighter

    How much are some anti Americans getting paid to post here? I have seen alot of support with substance and nonsense with racist crap and misdirection. Evil is everywhere peeps. America Defend Yourself!

    • Susie Blanchard

      Depends on how you look at it. Are you talking about anti-right wing politics of death, or anti-America? The right wing has got to come out of its jesus box & face the truth. The politics that the right engages in are destructive to America.

      So what do you want? American liberty or right wing politics? Cant have both. We are just trying to enlighten you, you know wake you up to the real world.

      Do you ever long for a pay check that has nothing removed from it in taxes? A government small enough that you are its keeper?

      In order to get that, we must reject politics & the bible. The church & the state. Good freaking morning.

  • fire lion

    The American revolution almost failed in the civil war. But industrial might, not enlightenment kept the union together.

    • Susie Blanchard

      Exactly. Today we are united in chatic, insane division. The politics of death. Despotism for all.

      Enlightenment? You’re not from here, huh?

      But I’ll tell you what, if you know the word, we aught to let you in : )

  • James Mitchell

    From a faith standpoint, this article is missing one key factor in the difference between the two revolutions. The French one was an atheistic and humanistic revolution. They openly and vulgarly rejected and denied God, tore up and burned Bibles, and deified and enthroned the amorphous “Goddess of Reason,” an illuminist concept. They even chose at one point a prostitute and put her on a throne and paraded her through the streets, proclaiming her the goddess of reason. This is the key factor in why the revolution failed. They opposed God, and when any nation does that, chaos and bloodshed follow. Even Napolean proclaimed after his defeat and exile, that he could not fight against God, because he knew the historicist view of Biblical prophecy, wherein God proclaimed in Daniel 2:41 and 42, that Europe, would never be united. This is the key factor behind why men like him and Hitler failed — they defied prophecy, but their efforts ended up in abject defeat. And God stood supreme.

    • Susie Blanchard

      But “god” in America today is the source of welfare mentality nationwide. All bible religions teach nothing but dependency to their so called help. The bible is only about the individual losing liberty, in order to be “saved”.

      God does not exist in the bible. You were brainwashed to worship welfare mentality & believe that it is god, but that does not make it true. Atheists are actually worse than the bible too. Atheists today try to prove that there is no god & no human immortality. A task that they will not actually accomplish.

      The American Revolution was never really completed. America has never been a systematic liberty nation. We are based on the welfare mentality of the bible & therefor will never have liberty.

      I get that the right only cares about jesus & is at this point so devolved that they are literally afraid of liberty, but at some point when you people are cowering in your corners & waiting for jesus who will never come, the American People will walk away from you completely.

      You just do not get that we dont want your welfare mentality shoved down our throats anymore. What is liberty? You do not know. You will probably never know liberty whatsoever. & yet you blame the left for liking welfare.

      • b2weldon

        Welfare as it is happening in our nation is NOT a biblical concept. It is humanist. Jewish law prevented a permanent poor class. Welfare required recipients to work–the edges and corners of fields were unharvested, fields were harvested once and all things dropped were to be left on the ground. Also, every 3rd year, a full tithe was taken and given to the local town to provide for the poor–not shipped off to the capital. Why? because the local community knows who can work and who can’t–and who won’t. Proverbs are full of what to do with the fool and sluggard. Paul says in 2 Thess 3 that those who won’t work are not to be given anything to eat (referring to able-bodied).
        Personal liberty is grounded in the belief of a God who made all people in His image and therefore all are equal. No other system in history teaches this. The denial of self that Jesus demands can be translated secularly as this–don’t be a selfish person. Any humanist believes he and/or his ideas are more important than others and feels he is right to eventually force those who “don’t get it” to accept his ideas or submit to them. There is denial of individual rights. Why Christians promote Christ in political discussion is because without the foundation of denying selfishness and accepting equality (which comes from believing in at least some form of Providence), there can never be anything but strife and groups fighting each other like what you see in most revolutions.

      • James Mitchell

        Yes we are dependent upon our Creator. There can be no other way. Those who reject Him, reject life and reject love, because He is life and love. Love can be demonstrated in no greater way than His death upon the cross for our sins. Only those who choose to cling to their cherished sins deny Him.

  • 2 IT too

    FRANCE –was— changed FOREVER.

    The PRIVATE USURY ‘FED’ was NEVER abolished.

    LENIN and STALIN were –NEVER– overthrown.

    Neither was MAO.

    And – – -HITLER, apparently, GOT AWAY.

    And ALLLL these forces –were RUN.

    “World War II [—and the Cold War]
    it’s now pretty clear, was just RESEACRH & DEVELOPMENT
    ——————————————–DISGUISED as WAR.”
    scholar/ researcher/ film-maker
    Informed Radio
    July 2014

    And the ‘hidden masters’ and the unthinkably EVIL forces
    they serve are undergoing MASSIVE consolidation even as we speak.



  • 2 IT too

    “Did you know?
    ———–American and Canadian forces held Petersburg
    ——————–for the BOLSHEVIKS in 1918
    ————————until their arms arrived from JP MORGAN?
    ————-The BOLSHEVIKS – – -HAD NO GUNS!”
    Real doctor
    Informed Radio

    —————————–HUAC/ NUREMBERG 2015——————————

    There is NO coming to terms with an agenda of this level of EVIL.

    WE’RE dealing with PSYCHOPATHS.

    PSYCHOPATHS – – – –with POWER!

  • 2 IT too

    NOTE ——FAKE media ‘overlooked’ last week’s
    anniversary of teh Korea armistice —even as th Pope visited.

    NOTE —there mking NO mention of the coming anniversaries
    of the martyrdom of RED CHINA set up op whistleblower JOHN BIRCH ( 1945 )
    ————-and RED CHINA handover whistleblower
    —————————-Rep. LARRY McDONALD. ( 1983 ).

    KEEP living in that franchise slum!

  • Visitor

    Why did the French Revolution fail and the American Revolution succeed?

    Well the American Revolution succeeded thanks to the french involvement in the American Revolutionary War. 90% of the american rebels gunpowder was provided by the french, and the most decisive victory, the battle of Yorktown was won by mainly french troops, and because the french Navy defeated the British in the Battle of the Chesapeake! Then the french revolution was a success because Louis the XVI ruined the country spending all the country money into the American War and it was easy for the french to revolt.