WATCH: An in-depth look at the history of Hamas as a terrorist organization

As the world waits to see if this latest ceasefire agreement holds between Israel and Hamas, TheBlaze’s national security editor Buck Sexton offers an in-depth look at the history of Hamas and why it is considered a terrorist organization.

As Buck explained, Hamas is both a word and an acronym. In Arabic, the word ‘hamas’ translates to mean zeal, while the letters stand for Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya – or the “Islamic Resistance Movement.”

The group is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood and was founded in 1987 during a time known as “The First Intifada.” The word ‘intifada’ means uprising. Just a year later, in 1988, the Hamas Charter was established with the goal to “raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine.” Unsurprisingly, the term Palestine is meant to encompass Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza.

Over the course of the last two decades, Hamas has engaged in suicide bombings, rocket and mortar attacks at civilians, kidnappings, knife attacks, and car bombings. Unlike other groups, Hamas seeks out civilian casualties as part of its resistance against the Israeli state.

While the United States first designated Hamas an a foreign terrorist organization (FTO) in 1997, not every country has followed suit. Turkey, Russia, and Arab states do not consider Hamas to be a terrorist group.

  • Yo Mamma

    I think that Hamas and many of the area’s smaller groups will be dominated by IS. Hamas is local to the area while IS wants to unite Muslims worldwide.

    Two nations are in thy womb and two peoples shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

    The two nations are the Hebrew nation and the Arabic nation. The jews and christians almost wiped out the Hebrew nation and the power you both now fight is the Arabic nation. I guess you will have to decide which is best for you.

    • G….h.i

      Jacob and his seed is the Jewish nation in which inherited the blessing from Elohim. The tribes of Israel will be restored one day. The Bible referees to his chosen people as Israelites then he chose David and his seed for The High Priest which is the Lamb of God who was sacrifices for the sins of all humanity.

      Jesus Christ will come back soon and establish the kingdom of God in Israel.
      Taino will be restored or better yet reborn and all nations will glorify God.

      Jesus Christ will sat upon the throne of king David.

      This is the word of God written by the hands of man and those men were filled with the spirit of God.

      Arabs are having dreams of Jesus Christ and they see him as not just a prophet but as the SON OF GOD.
      They give their life to Christ and that’s why we have Arab Christians being threatened and even killed because they’ve been transformed in there hearts and minds.

      God bless all Arabs even those who know not what they do. Those who are threatened they are blessed because of their faith.

      As for radicle Muslims they kill the innocent and are of the synagogue of Satan.

      • G….h.i

        Refers, sacrifice,

        Hate my ipad sometimes.

        • G….h.i

          Tzion

      • Yo Mamma

        Is there a point to that rant?

        • G….h.i

          Wasn’t a rant at all.

          • Yo Mamma

            GABRIEL wrote “Jacob and his seed is the Jewish nation in which inherited the blessing from Elohim”

            This is a lie

            The jewish sacred books are not JUST TORAH
            Jews, like christians ADDED to Torah

            Its a different religion altogether

            Its a shared lie between jew and christian for 2000 years

            The defeated Hebrew religion they want forgotten, but they never destroyed it. You cannot destroy the blood in veins

            The Hebrews, inheritors of the LAND, are alive and well

            Choose them or choose Islam
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

            The 3 religions that confuse you. Their holy scriptures that define their religion and god/s

            From the oldest:

            Hebrews = Torah (literal interpretation only Torah)

            Christians = Torah(stolen) + prophets + writings + gospels

            Jews = Torah(stolen) + prophets + writings + talmud

            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

            And only one tribe will be restored. The Levite tribe, because only THEY passed down their inheritance as commanded. The rest of mankind can either follow Literal Torah or take a number – lol

            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

            David, like the man god, were both from the Judah tribe. The rebellious tribe that destroyed the land. No good ever came from that tribe

          • G….h.i
          • Yo Mamma

            Read the stolen Torah if you wanna have a better perspective.

            I have read enough and there is nothing new you can tell me

          • pawley

            Yo Mama you are incorrect in your thinking. One day every knee will bow and confess Jesus is Lord.

          • Yo Mamma

            Explain yourself

      • jim

        I think the term “Synagogue of Satan” is more commonly used to refer to Talmudic Zionism!

      • jim

        Get your facts straight -The misery began when a small tribe in the old Judea accepted a creed based on a “Master race”. The tribe had previously been expelled by the Israelites for such racism. But the tribe adapted the creed of the Master Race as nothing less than “The Law”.

        “The Law” or “The Pact” was – and is – unique in being based on an imaginary statement from a tribal god, to the effect that his “chosen people”: “the Israelites” (in reality, the Judeans) would be set above all other peoples and settled in a “promised land”, if only they would stick to all of his rules and judgments.

        It was probably not even a pact with the Judaeans, for according to so called “ Holy Scripture”, the pact was made with the Israelites, who had long since mingled with the rest of Mankind, and who have never known this racist creed as far as we know. The Jewish Encyclopedia says, that the Judeans “probably were a non-Israeli tribe”.

        Much to their credit the Israelites turned away from the racism of the Judeans. The creed has gone down in history as having been created by the Levites from Judea.

  • soybomb315

    One man’s ‘freedom fighter’ is another man’s ‘terrorist’.

    Palestinians are not a country or territory. They are nothing. Although I am strongly against the tactics of Hamas, I also understand the nature of man when the world seems to be against him and his family is kept down.

  • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

    But yet we are to believe these people are freedom fighters. I am sorry but it is not freedom when you are killing people because they disagree with you.

    • soybomb315

      seems to me they are doing what people do when their backs are against the wall (or the ocean)

      • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

        It seems to me that you people are willing to over look they want to commit mass murder and could care less about the freedom of the Palestinian people. It is called reality deal with it.

        • CMJO

          That’s not what the reality is. Deal with it.

        • jim

          These fine people may beg to differ with you !
          Over 300 survivors and descendants of the Holocaust have published an open letter condemning what they call Israel’s “genocide” in Gaza.

          The letter also condemns politicians and opinion writers who have, the signatories say, openly called for the genocide of Palestinians in what they say is an extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society.

          http://www.nationalheadlines.co.uk/holocaust-survivors-pen-open-letter-condemning-israels-gaza-war/457136/

          • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

            Out of 6 million clearly the minority and it still ingore the fact HAMAS is calling for another Jewish genocide. Also dumbass how is it genocide when the population in Gaza is rising not decreasing. That is the opposite of a genocide. Where do you get these facts storm front?

    • jim

      Thats a very myopic view of history-the conflicts roots lie in the forced expulsion of 700,000 + people (for the crime of not being of the same creed)from their ancestral homes and lands -who where then forced to live in “Apartheid style “bantustans” and the open air prison called Gaza-Many still possess the Keys to the homes they were driven from!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8AsuE7LtF4

      • Noelani Lois

        Start working from home! Great job for students, stay-at-home moms or anyone needing an extra income… You only need a computer and a reliable internet connection… Make $90 hourly and up to $12000 a month by following link at the bottom and signing up… You can have your first check by the end of this week… Sign up here>WagePress.com

      • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

        They have it in their own constitution that they want to rid the world of Jews. Maybe you should reconnect your eyes to your brain moron.

        • jim

          And that justify s the collective punishment and imprisonment of 1.8 million Gazans does it ?
          (there not ALL members of Hamas !)
          that would be like the entire US population being collectively punished and imprisoned because Obama got voted in !

          • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

            What imprisonment they are free to leave that dirt ball of a country.

          • Bert_1

            Correction, Connor: Gaza is not a country. In spite of numerous attempts by Israel, many other countries and the UN since 1947 to create a Palestinian state, none exists to this day because the Palestinians terrorists don’t want a 2 state solution. They want Israel to be annihilated.

          • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

            And then there’s that.

          • jim

            Again no verifiable documented sources to go with your claim!
            Citing the Hamas charter does not count -as it does not speak for ALL Palestinians

            If that logic were to be employed-it would mean that the entire US population are responsible for the actions of the Obama administration also!

          • Bert_1

            Try reading my post again, Jim. I didn’t say that the *Palestinians* are responsible for the lack of an implemented 2 state solution, but the the **Palestinian terrorists** are. Just like Obama has the authority to speak for the American people, that does not necessarily mean that the American people agree with him.

          • jim

            And yet Israels apologist constantly cite the Hamas charter as justification for the collective punishment of the entire population of Gaza-Go figure !

          • G….h.i

            Lol over look the charter now. What about the cartoons telling Palestinian children how to kill Jews.
            We see how these kids are being educated now don’t we.

          • G….h.i

            Not all Palestinians believes in that charter however the ones over the Gaza Strip (Hamas) supporters are the ones calling for the destruction of Israel.

            The muslim brotherhood who was inspired by Hitler funds Hamas. Hamas is just a branch of the Muslim Brother hood.

            You can’t say oh you don’t have any documentation and yet tells us Israel is to Blame for the deaths of Palestinian children.

            Do you remember a video of a Palestinian girl that was put up to provoke a soldier from the IDF?

            We don’t need any more proof than we already have that Hamas is a terrorist organization. They are on our terrorist watch list.

          • jim

            They are free to come and go you say !!! -do you have any verifiable documented evidence to support that assumption-just saying it is so -does not make it so!

            Australia MPs: Gaza is world’s largest outdoor jail
            http://www.jpost.com/International/Australia-MPs-Gaza-is-worlds-largest-outdoor-jail

            UK Prime Minister David Cameron has condemned the blockade of the Gaza Strip, describing the territory as a “prison camp”.

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-10778110

            Inside the world’s largest open-air prison

            http://www.smh.com.au/world/inside-the-worlds-largest-openair-prison-20100604-xkmp.html

          • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

            I know people who went their and saw it with their own eyes but go ahead keep citing web sites that have been known to lie because you do not want to see Jews as human.

          • jim

            Lol-these are internationally recognized news orgs-that have to verify and account for what they report!
            Those tin foil lined straw hats the Israeli propaganda ministry are issuing along with their standard issue straw men and unsubstantiated talking points -must be a very tight fit indeed -to induce such virulant cognitive dissonance

          • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

            The only one wearing a tin foil hat is you. Tell me if it is a prison than how in the hell was I talking to a palestinian who immigrated to this country 6 months ago trying to escape that peaceful HAMAS of yours because he did not agree all Jews where Satan? You see numb nuts even the Palestinian people know it is HAMAS not Israel that is the true enemy. The walls Israel put up where a response to HAMAS sniping innocent men women and children from roof tops and windows. The reason for the checkpoints is because HAMAS sending suicide bombers in and attacking unarmed men women and children. And here I thought you cared about the Palestinian people but yet support HAMAS who drags them out into the street and shoots them for not voting for them or even thinking not all Jews are the spawn of Satan. I guess you only see. Why do you want the Palestinian people in chains to HAMAS? Oh how big of a liar you are! All you care about is hating the Jews not about the Palestinians. Tell me if your children were being attack by Canadians being shot at and blow to bits would you go well those Canadians are peace loving freedom fighters. No if you are a rational mind but something tells me reason reality and logic are not your friends. Which explains why you call yourself a libertarian and yet support idiots that want the opposite of freedom. Now I got nothing more to say to you crazy kool aid drinking dumb ass.

          • jim

            Wow-you jump to unfounded assumptions about people and places and come to wildest and most inaccurate conclusions in support of a pre existing and distorted worldview(that is thankfully in the minority worldwide)on the flimsiest of evidence and pretexts!

            FYI- I have no issue or truck with Jews or any other race,creed or ethnicity-live and let live- I say.

            However the expropriation,apartheid ,ethnic cleansing and collective punishment policy’s of the Zionist leadership over the last 7 decades is another matter-that is what most people worldwide object too-and NOT to Judaism-as you would infer!

            Dismissing reports from well known international and national MSM news orgs,holocaust survivors, PM,s ,assorted western and non western Politicians,academics,historians ,Israeli high court judges. facts, evidence ,policy,s-reports, accounts etc,etc from all over the world stating Gaza is an open air prison -because some guy you know ,who claims to have been there once -and told you that it is not true-that Gaza,s like a prison camp– it is more like a holiday camp -and Is took as Gospel-!
            As you apparently seem to do !
            Then some might say -Its time to-loosen that tight fitting tin foil lined straw hat a bit and let the blood start flowing back to the morality centers of the brain.

            But If you still don’t believe Gaza is a prison camp !
            Maybe you should ask these well known politicians etc why they think it is !

            UK Prime Minister David Cameron has condemned the blockade of the Gaza Strip, describing the territory as a “prison camp”.
            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-10778110

            How Israel brought Gaza to the brink of humanitarian catastrophe
            Oxford professor of international relations Avi Shlaim served in the Israeli army and has never questioned the state’s legitimacy. But its merciless assault on Gaza has led him to devastating conclusions

            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine
            |
            Israelis Watch Bombs Drop on Gaza From Front-Row Seatshttp://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/15/world/middleeast/israelis-watch-bombs-drop-on-gaza-from-front-row-seats.html

            US calls Israeli attack on UN school ‘disgraceful’http://news.yahoo.com/us-calls-israeli-attack-un-school-disgraceful-205802919–politics.html

            Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times
            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html

          • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

            What you call assumptions is based on reason and logic. Cleary you got a problem with Jews because you side with a group who wants to murder them all. It is on their own web site for God sakes but that is ok keep defending racist while pretending to be not. No one is going to believe you.

          • James

            I believe and agree with him. I do not have a problem with all Jews, but you Zionists have gone too far in Gaza, in finance, and in propaganda through your media outlets. Your influence is no longer welcome and it would be wise to back off. More people are waking up everyday to the troubles that are being caused. Those who pay attention see what the Zionists are doing in the arena of finance and also see the oppression you force upon your confused, upset, and weaker neighbors.

            That card you were able to pull for the past 70 years is about to expire. The only people in America left supporting you is a very large and very aging generation.

          • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

            Right and that tin foil hat you where must also be just a fashion statement?

          • James

            Great tactic. Did you learn that from Saul Alinsky? Here’s a quote from him I’m sure you’re aware of:

            “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also, it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.”

            I’m aware of Alinsky tactics, so I’ll just leave you with, I hope you have a very nice holiday weekend. :)

          • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

            But when proof after proof is shown that says what you say is not true but you refuse to see reality what is the point in debating racist crazies?

          • jim

            What proofs Connor ? -I have not seen you post one verifiable and substantiated report yet ! (Hearsay does not qualify as “proof”)

          • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

            Poof what about the population of Palestine from 1948 to today oh that is right reality is not proof to you racist wing bats.

          • James

            Conner, I am not a racist. I am also not a denier of fact. I will not say something is true simply because you call me a racist or a wing bat if it is not true, no matter how hard you try to pass off fallacy as fact.

            The facts don’t lie. There is overwhelming evidence stating the Ashkenazi are Gentiles. The most overwhelming being the new DNA testing performed by John Hopkins University. Is that what it is? Are you so racist against Gentiles that it frightens you to know that you are a Gentile?

          • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

            It is not true that is the thing and every racist I have ran onto denies they are racist.

          • James

            Conner, it sounds to me like you’re the one who is racist.

          • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

            Why because I do not believe Jews control the universe and I disagree with a skin head? I do not hate the Palestinian people just HAMAS who causing all the trouble for both sides. Their own people want them gone but are to afraid of them why because if the speak up they will be murder by HAMAS. But yeah moron you keep claiming they are for freedom when they will murder anyone in cold blood for disagreeing with their carter that states all Jews must die. I am not the one siding with racist you are.

          • jim

            So just because they have a lot of kids in Gaza -its ok to murder a few hundred is it ? Or “Mow the Lawn”as the IDF put,s it

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cZSS8eP3l4

          • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

            Oh by the way proof that this so called Genocide is a lie.

            Palestine population in 1948 716,700.

            Today 4.29 million

            Yeah dumbass and you want me to believe their is a Genocide.

            Now do you even know what a Genocide means?

            the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

            So unless boob you live in an alternate universe where everything is opposite than it looks like your tin foil hat theory is a lie written by racist who hate Jews something you claim you are not but refuse to see the reality like a true racist would. So now that I proved yet again how small your puny brain is I will leave you now to wonder where you failed in life.

          • jim

            Lol-That Israeli hasbara ministry issued tin foil lined straw hat just keeps getting tighter and tighter-doesn’t it !

            There are deliberate polcys in play designed if not to ethnicly cleanse but to make life so miserable for the imprisoned population -that they will leave of their own accord.

            One of these covert policys is called the Dahiya doctrine
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy1pczAHNCc
            The Dahiya Doctrine is a military strategy put forth by Israeli General Gadi Eizenkot that pertains to asymmetric warfare in an urban setting, in which the army deliberately targets civilian infrastructure, as a means of inducing suffering for the civilian population, thereby establishing deterrence

          • http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

            I am sorry but if the population is rising it disproves your dumb theory and dodging and weaving the facts only proves you are a racist.

          • G….h.i

            Nobodies punishing the Palestinians. Israel holds it’s cease fire far better than Hamas.
            Israel wants peace with the Palestinians period.
            Hamas is a terror group who dictates and brainwashes the Palestinians to hate Israel. Some of it is hate on the part of the Palestinians. The other half is that they are too ignorant thanks to Islam and Muslims to understand peace comes with responsibilities.

            Israel feels sorry for the hell that Palestinian children has to go through. While Jewish children are educated in a safe environment. The palestinian children are forced to do what Hamas says.

            Hamas uses the schools as shields and even homes where Palestinian children dwell in to try and win the war through media sympathy.

            I have love for Arabs and growing up I had to realize that their are friendly peaceful loving Arabs.

            I don’t paint all Arabs with the same brush.

          • jim

            What do you call 2100+ dead 80% of whom are civilian500+ of whom are children -but collective punishment -Xenophobic sentiments aside!

            These fine Jewish Holocaust survivors beg to differ with you

            Over 300 survivors and descendants of the Holocaust have published an open letter condemning what they call Israel’s “genocide” in Gaza.

            The letter also condemns politicians and opinion writers who have, the signatories say, openly called for the genocide of Palestinians in what they say is an extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society.

            http://www.nationalheadlines.co.uk/holocaust-survivors-pen-open-letter-condemning-israels-gaza-war/457136/

          • whenthedevilvisits_dot_com

            OH BS! Israel could wipe them off the face of the earth, and they don’t. The Pals (Hamas) needs to clean up their act and stop with using women and children as shields so the death toll won’t be so high. They need to accept a two-state solution and stop this thirst for Jewish blood. YOU need to stop these lies and pray to God you are not causing another Holocaust on a people who only want the right to defend themselves. Israel is not the aggressor/initiator and you know it.

          • jim

            And yet Israeli apologist cant even provide ONE verifiable and documented case of that occurring even though the canard of human sheilds is used as the main justification for the indiscriminate slaughter and collective punishment of the entire population of Gaza!

            The IDF,s use of Palestinian children as human shields however is well documented

            Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times
            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html

            IDF soldiers convicted of using 11-year-old as human shield in Gaza
            Two soldiers forced Palestinian child to open bags, feared to have been booby trapped, during Operation Cast Lead.
            http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/idf-soldiers-convicted-of-using-11-year-old-as-human-shield-in-gaza-1.316867

          • whenthedevilvisits_dot_com

            Allah is Satan in disguise. He is about destruction. He is about force. He is about lies and deceit. Enjoy your religion as your days are numbered. Jesus Christ will come and reign for a thousand years. Satan and his followers will be bound. The mortals who follow Satan will sleep for a thousand years and be taught in spirit prison. Christ is the opposite. He said to love one another. He said to turn the other cheek. He said to build up his kingdom by taking to the gospel to the world, not by dominating the world. He died to pay the price that you may get back into heaven, because no unclean thing can enter heaven. No one could kill him. The flogging should have killed any mortal. He was part God (Mary was mortal) and he couldn’t be killed, he could only give up his life when he was ready on the cross. This is why you hate Jews because they are the covenant people who God put in charge of taking the gospel to the world. When they stopped, the Christians were given the charge. Lucifer (Satan) hates Jesus, always has and threatened to build his own kingdom on earth to persecute God’s children. You are doing a good job, but in the end, you will lose. You will lose because only the pure in heart will be allowed near God. Your heart if full of blood thirst, hate, and deceit.

          • jim

            Another idiot calling for the Genocide of nealry 2 billion people-albeit in cloaked terms

          • whenthedevilvisits_dot_com

            No one called for anyone to be wiped off the face of the earth except….wait for it….you.

          • jim

            Thats odd because -two leading politicians and a professor – who very much reflect a strain of mainstream thinking in Israel, one that the international media largely avoids noting.

            Each, in their different ways, is advocating a genocide of the Palestinians.

            The member of Knesset who called for genocide
            http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/knesset-genocide-against.html

            Mordechai Kedar, a lecturer on Arabic literature at Bar Ilan University, believes the sisters and mothers of Palestinian “terrorists” should be raped:
            http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.606542

            Moshe Feiglin, a deputy speaker of the Israeli parliament and a member of Netanyahu’s Likud ,is urging the Israeli army to kill Palestinians in Gaza indiscriminately and use every means possible to get them to leave:
            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-rightwing-israeli-politician-calls-for-gazans-to-be-concentrated-in-camps–and-then-all-resistance-exterminated-9649103.html

          • jim

            As if the call s for genocide from -two leading Israeli politicians and a professor weren’t enough-90% of Gaza casualties, killed or injured in the ongoing Israeli offensive on the Gaza Strip, are civilians, European medics found out during a visit to Gaza hospitals.

            The doctors said during a meeting held at Brussels Media Center over the ongoing Israeli war crimes in Gaza: “Up to 90% of Gaza casualties are civilians, mostly women and children.” “Hospitals, vehicles, mosques, and schools, among many other civilian shelters and refugee camps, have all been shelled in the ongoing Israeli offensive on Gaza,” the European medical delegation further reported.

            “Tell me, for God’s sake, are these babies the real terrorists?” Norwegian doctor Mads Gilbert, volunteering at al-Shifa hospital in Gaza, wondered as he took photo shots of the mutilated bodies of hundreds of murdered babies. “I’ve never, in my entire life, seen such rivers of blood,” he added.

      • Wannalive

        Myopic is right. 500,00 Arabs were told by THEIR leaders to get out of
        “Palestine” & come back to loot & rape after the great victory
        (that never was). They now number around 5 million “refugees”. Ever
        wondered why?!
        850,000 Jews were kicked out of multiple Arab
        countries. Israel absorbed them. They were never considered refugees.
        Ever wondered why?!Now go do your homework in (undistorted) history!

        • DJ

          Those who study history know they are being forced to relive it by those who did not learn …(thanks Dr Santayana).

        • pawley

          this little film is nothing but propaganda and totally biased in favor of the poor Palestinians.

          • CMJO

            Incorrect. I wonder if any of you guys have studied history in college….apparently not. It just seems that you guys have the “history” from grade school that never went into detail.

          • IndyMason

            In college this is what I learned.

            The Arabs are the only declared refugees who became refugees not by the action of their enemies or because of well-grounded fear of their enemies, but by the initiative of their own leaders. For nearly a generation, those leaders have willfully kept as many people as they possibly could in degenerating squalor, preventing their rehabilitation, and holding out to all of them the hope of return and of “vengeance” on the Jews of Israel, to whom they have transferred the blame for their plight.

            The fabrication can probably most easily be seen in the simple circumstance that at the time the alleged cruel expulsion of Arabs by Zionists was in progress, it passed unnoticed. Foreign newspapermen who covered the war of 1948 on both sides did, indeed, write about the flight of the Arabs, but even those most hostile to the Jews saw nothing to suggest that it was not voluntary.

            In the three months during which the major part of the flight took place – April, May, and June 1948 – the London Times, at that time [openly] hostile to Zionism, published eleven leading articles on the situation in Palestine in addition to extensive news reports and articles. In none was there even a hint of the charge that the Zionists were, driving the Arabs from their homes.

            More interesting still, no Arab spokesman mentioned the subject. At the height of the flight, on April 27, Jamat Husseini, the Palestine Arabs’ chief representative at the United Nations, made a long political statement, which was not lacking in hostility toward the Zionists; he did not mention refugees. Three weeks later (while the flight was still in progress), the Secretary General of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha, made a fiercely worded political statement on Palestine; it contained not a word about refugees.

            The Arab refugees were not driven from Palestine by anyone. The vast majority left, whether of their own free will or at the orders or exhortations of their leaders, always with the same reassurance that their departure would help in the war against Israel. Attacks by Palestinian Arabs on the Jews had begun two days after the United Nations adopted its decision of November 29, 1947, to divide western Palestine into an Arab and a Jewish state. The seven neighboring Arab states Syria, Lebanon, Transjordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Egypt then prepared to invade the country as soon as the birth of the infant State of Israel was announced.

            Their victory was certain, they claimed, but it would be speeded and made easier if the local Arab population got out of the way. The refugees would come back in the wake of the victorious Arab armies and not only recover their own property but also inherit the houses and farms of the vanquished and annihilated Jews. Between December 1, 1947, and May 15, 1948, the clash was largely between bands of local Arabs, aided by the disintegrating British authority, and the Jewish fighting organizations.

            The earliest voluntary refugees were understandably the wealthier Arabs of the towns, who made a comparatively leisurely departure in December 1947 and in early 1948. At that stage, departure had not yet been proclaimed as a policy or recognized as a potential propaganda weapon. The Jaffa newspaper Ash Shalab thus wrote on January 30, 1948:

            “The first group of our fifth column consists of those who abandon their houses and businesses and go to live elsewhere. . . . At the first sign of trouble they take to their heels to escape sharing the burden of struggle.”

            Another weekly, As-Sarih of Jaffa, used even more scathing terms on March 30, 1948, to accuse the inhabitants of Sheikh Munis and other villages in the neighborhood of Tel Aviv of “bringing down disgrace on us all” by “abandoning their villages.” On May 5, the Jerusalem correspondent of the London Times was reporting: “The Arab streets are curiously deserted and, ardently following the poor example of the more moneyed class there has been an exodus from Jerusalem too, though not to the same extent as in Jaffa and Haifa.”

            As the local Arab offensive spread during the late winter and early spring of 1948, the Palestinian Arabs were urged to take to the hills, so as to leave the invading Arab armies unencumbered by a civilian population. Before the State of Israel had been formally declared – and while the British still ruled the country – over 200,000 Arabs left their homes in the coastal plain of Palestine.

            These exhortations came primarily from their own local leaders. Monsignor George Hakim, then Greek Catholic Bishop of Galilee, the leading Christian personality in Palestine for many years, told a Beirut newspaper in the summer of 1948, before the flight of Arabs had ended:

            “The refugees were confident that their absence would not last long, and that they would return within a week or two. Their leaders had promised them that the Arab armies would crush the ‘Zionist gangs’ very quickly and that there was no need for panic or fear of a long exile.” [Sada at Tanub, August 16, 1948]

            The exodus was indeed common knowledge. The London weekly Economist reported on October 2, 1948:

            “Of the 62,000 Arabs who formerly lived in Haifa not more than 5,000 or 6,000 remained. Various factors influenced their decision to seek safety in flight. There is but little doubt that the most potent of the factors were the announcements made over the air by the Higher Arab Executive, urging the Arabs to quit.. . . It was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades.”

            And the Near East Arabic Broadcasting Station from Cyprus stated on April 3, 1949: “It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees’ flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa, and Jerusalem.”

            Even in retrospect, in an effort to describe the deliberateness of the flight, the leading Arab propagandist of the day, Edward Atiyah (then Secretary of the Arab League Office in London), reaffirmed the facts:

            “This wholesale exodus was due partly to the belief of the Arabs, encouraged by the boasting of an unrealistic Arab press and the irresponsible utterances of some of the Arab leaders that it could be only a matter of some weeks before the Jews were defeated by the armies of the Arab States and the Palestinian Arabs enabled to re-enter and retake possession of their country.”

            Kenneth Bilby, one of the Americans who covered Palestine for several weeks during the war of 1948, wrote soon afterwards on his experience and observations:

            “The Arab exodus, initially at least, was encouraged by many Arab leaders, such as Haj Amin el Husseini, the exiled pro-Nazi Mufti of Jerusalem, and by the Arab Higher Committee for Palestine. They viewed the first wave of Arab setbacks as merely transitory. Let the Palestine Arabs flee into neighboring countries. It would serve to arouse the other Arab peoples to greater effort, and when the Arab invasion struck, the Palestinians could return to their homes and be compensated with the property of Jews driven into the sea.” [New Star in the Near East (New York, 1950), pp. 30-31]

            After the war, the Palestine Arab leaders did try to help people –including their own–to forget that it was they who had called for the exodus in the early spring of 1948. They now blamed the leaders of the invading Arab states themselves. These had added their voices to the exodus call, enough not until some weeks after the Palestine Arab fighter Committee had taken a stand. The war was not yet over when Emil Ghoury, Secretary of the Arab Higher Committee, the official leadership of the Palestinian Arabs, stated in an interview with a Beirut newspaper:

            I do not want to impugn anybody but only to help the refugees. The fact that there are these refugees is the direct consequence of the action of the Arab States in opposing Partition and the Jewish State. The Arab States agreed upon this policy unanimously and they must share in the solution of the problem. [Daily Telegraph, September 6, 1948]

            In retrospect, the Jordanian newspaper Falastin wrote on February 19, 1949:

            The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies.

            The Secretary General of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha, assured the Arab peoples that the occupation of Palestine and of Tel Aviv would be as simple as a military promenade. . . . He pointed out that they were already on the frontiers and that all the millions the Jews had spent on land and economic development would be easy booty, for it would be a simple matter to throw Jews into the Mediterranean. . . Brotherly advice was given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave their land, homes, and property and to stay temporarily in neighboring fraternal states, lest the guns of the invading Arab armies mow them down.

            As late as 1952, the charge had the official stamp of the Arab Higher Committee. In a memorandum to the Arab League states, the Committee wrote:

            Some of the Arab leaders and their ministers in Arab capitals . . . declared that they welcomed the immigration of Palestinian Arabs into the Arab countries until they saved Palestine. Many of the Palestinian Arabs were misled by their declarations…. It was natural for those Palestinian Arabs who felt impelled to leave their country to take refuge in Arab lands . . . and to stay in such adjacent places in order to maintain contact with their country so that to return to it would be easy when, according to the promises of many of those responsible in the Arab countries (promises which were given wastefully), the time was ripe. Many were of the opinion that such an opportunity would come in the hours between sunset and sunrise.

            Most pointed of all was the comment of one of the refugees: “The Arab governments told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in.”

          • Something Is Wrong

            That was beautiful. I would appreciate if you could you please post some references so I can read up on it myself and when I try sharing this information with others I don’t have to tell them “somebody said so in the comments section of an article I read”. Thank you for such a wonderful analysis of the beginning of the Palestinian problem (well, the modern beginning; really, this goes back to Abraham but that’s another story for another day).

          • James

            Can you also please tell me where the popular modern phrase stating, “The United States was founded on Judeo-Christian principles” came from? I see exactly where the Christians founded the United States, but can’t seem to locate the Judeo part. Seems to me it was created when the Zionists (excuse me, the Allies) won World War II.

          • Something Is Wrong

            Judeo-Christian refers back to the fact that Christianity both had its genesis in Judaism and also the fact that both Christianity and Judaism recognize the legitimacy of at least the Old Testament. Many modern Christian churches almost exclusively use the New Testament and barely touch the Old Testament, if at all. The Founders, and pretty much everyone at that time period, not only studied the New Testament, but had a very good understanding of the Old Testament as well. Therefore, many of their values, principles and beliefs were very similar to values and beliefs in Judaism, further solidifying the “Judeo-Christian” label. It has nothing at all to do with Zionism, more of an acknowledging of origin and similarities. I do find it interesting and somewhat troubling with how you phrased the term “Zionists” in your comment as it seems to me that you have a very negative attitude toward the Allied forces in WWII. I mean, if you are opposed to the Allies, do you feel more supportive and sympathetic to the Axis powers?

          • James

            Oh no, I am in total support of the United States winning World War 2. I do have problems with the Soviet Union and China winning it also, however, considering the estimated 100 million people Stalin murdered, the cold war, Mao becoming ruler of China, Mao killing another 45 million individuals, and the indigenous population of Palestine falling into persecution.

            By the way, the false statement proclaiming that “the United States was founded on ‘Judeo-Christian’ principles” didn’t become main stream until the 1950’s, after the Zionists won World War 2, along with the Soviet Union, China and the United States.

            I just wonder if World War 2 would have ever occurred if the League of Nations didn’t fail after World War 1. This most certainly would have led to Edmond James Rothschild’s dream of the Zionist settlement of the Holy Land. In other words, his Balfour Declaration of 1917 would have became a reality and there would have been no need for World War 2. The Zionist occupation would have already materialized.

            It just kind of makes you wonder what actually occurred behind the smoke and mirrors of the World Wars. It also makes you wonder what was said behind closed doors by the Zionist global financiers in order for them to rally the resources and disseminate the propaganda necessary to create these genocidal campaigns.

          • Something Is Wrong

            As far as the question “would WWII have happened”, I obviously can’t say on something that never happened but I am pretty certain that Hitler still would have been born and still would have sought power and still would have been just as horrible a person. Would everything still have lined up perfectly for him to take power? Maybe not on the schedule he had planned and actually occurred but his determination was such that I think if history had been different, WWII would have only been delayed if anything. Besides which, Hirohito’s ambitions had nothing to do with the collapse of the League of Nations. It may have also made it easier for him but nothing would have stopped him from following the course he took. Whatever role centralized banks may have played in facilitating WWII, they do not account for the ambitions for power of any of the parties involved and those parties would have lusted for more power whether or not the League of Nations had succeeded or ever even existed. If they had not found their means through Rothschild banks, they would have found it some other way because they were absolutely dedicated to their own causes. In the end, I think the only possible change would have been timing. That’s my opinion.

          • IndyMason

            I recommend “Battleground: Fact and Fantasy in Palestine” by Samuel Katz.
            News sources are listed in the comment itself.

          • Something Is Wrong

            Great, thank you.

          • Victor Mancilla

            Why don’t you investigate it yourself, instead of relying on others to give you what information they want you to know. This is why there are so many impassioned, ignorant people that are deluded on the subject. Research multiple sources, go in with an open mind and read and then read some more.

          • Something Is Wrong

            Victor,

            If you wanted to build a house, would you reject the help of an architect? Would you refuse to look at blueprints drawn up by other companies and insist on making your own (but, of course, only after going through all the work of training yourself in architecture and carpentry and learning how to properly draft the blueprints)? I mean, you certainly could but you’d be a fool to do so and it would take a LOT longer for you to get your house built. Your comment to me reflects exactly this kind of foolishness.

            If somebody has already done a good amount of research, what’s the harm in asking where they got their information? Not only do I not have all day to research every issue there is to research inside, outside, and upside-down, but having his sources and references helps me to also verify that he isn’t full of crap and just making up everything he’s posting.

            I’m sure you know everything that you know from your own effort and research, right? I’ll bet you taught yourself to read, do math, etc. and rejected anybody’s help because you had to do your own research. Give me a break.

          • Vicky Wright Aldrich

            Thank You for taking the time to write this. Sorry to say, I have not studied these historical facts, but your posting has inspired me to do so. Knowing the past truths, is very helpful in understanding current events.

          • James

            No, it pretty much says how it is over there.

        • CMJO

          I do believe that you are the one with the distorted history…..And the reason there are so many Palestinian refugees is because the world won’t take them or make a place for them. The Jewish refugees after WW2 got a whole state made for them. That’s basic history. As far as the 850,000 Jews you claim were kicked out of Arab countries, you need to remember that Jews are welcomed in the west and can go there. Palestinians cannot.

          • foodArts

            Let’s be honest for a minute CMJO….the God of the Bible gave this land to the Jews, and the reason that the “palestinians” aren’t welcomed in the west, is because they only want to come to the west to wreak havoc which causes destruction and death.

          • James

            No God did not! Show me one place in the bible where God gave Israel to the Jews. Israel (aka Jacob), a Hebrew had twelve sons, each of which received a portion of the Land of Jacob (aka Israel). Judea was only one of Jacob’s twelve sons.

            I hate it when you people twist the Bible to support your agendas. It’s evil, sacrilegious, and downright awful propaganda.

            Stop doing it now!

          • whenthedevilvisits_dot_com

            The Abrahamic Covenant was a promise of a land (Israel) and the priesthood. Jews ruled the area and then absorbed the wickedness of the surrounding people thus not keeping their part of the covenant and lost God’s protection. He has promised to return (second coming) and gather them once more, but the land was promised to them by God. The Pals not so much.

          • James

            According to Genesis 35:10, God said to Jacob, “Your name is Jacob, but you will no longer be called Jacob; your name will be Israel.”

            Jacob was a Hebrew, not a Jew. Jacob had 12 sons, each of which was considered a tribe of Israel a.k.a. Jacob.

            One of Jacobs sons was Judea, which is where Jews come from, but not Ashkenazi Jews, as they were converted by the Khazars in modern day Georgia, the country. Please do not confuse them, as they are not the same. Every president of modern day Israel has been Ashkenazi.

            Another of Jacobs sons, Joseph had two sons. Those two sons of Joseph, Ephraim and Manasseh make up another two tribes.

            This is where the TWELVE (12) and later 11 tribes and 2 half tribes (or 13 tribes due to God’s blessing, it depends on how you look at it) of Israel come from.

            The entirety of Israel does not belong to the Jews, the vast majority belongs to the Hebrews.

          • whenthedevilvisits_dot_com

            The covenant was made with Abraham. Jacob (Israel) inherited the covenant. Yes, all Jews are from Abraham and Sarah. It is through Hagar that the Arabs are from. There is no “third branch” or other lineage of Jews. You are twisting and distorting.

          • James

            All I am saying is that my interpretation of the bible only grants 1/13 of the State of Israel to the Jews. They do not have claim to the entirety of the land they currently occupy if divinity is being considered as their right of occupation.

            Yes, there is a third branch. The Ashkenazi are a totally different branch that are not descendants of Abraham or Jacob, but instead are descendants of King Bulan from Khazaria. DNA testing is proving it. There is no denying it anymore.

            You should read the research by the geneticists at John Hopkins University and you’ll be pleasantly surprised of their findings.

          • jim

            “The Law” “The convenant” or “The Pact” was – and is – unique in being based on a statement from a tribal god, to the effect that his “chosen people”: “the Israelites” (in reality, the Judeans-and the Judeans were just one small tribe under the Persian king.) would be set above all other peoples and settled in a “promised land”, if only they would stick to all of his rules and judgements.

            If Jehova, then, was to be worshipped in a certain place, it followed, that when the worshippers were not actually in that place, they were being “persecuted”, in “captivity” and had to “destroy” the “strangers” that “kept them in captivity”.

            Only in this way was Jehova to be a god for all other peoples – as the punishing god, who punished his own people first – by a “captivity” among the heathens for their “transgressions against the law” and then, as by an exact script, punished the strangers by a predestined extermination, when “the chosen people” had followed all the rules to the letter.

            It was probably not even a pact with the Judaeans, for according to “Holy Scripture”, the pact was made with the Israelites, who had long since mingled with the rest of Mankind, and who have never known this racist creed as far as we know.

            The Jewish Encyclopaedia says, that the Judeans “probably were a non-Israeli tribe”. The Israelites turned away from the racism of the Judeans long ago. The creed of the master Race has gone down in history as having been created by the Levites from Judea.

          • whenthedevilvisits_dot_com

            1937 – Peel
            Commission. Offered a -two state
            solution. Palestinians were offered 96%
            of the West Bank. They said NO.

            1947 – UN Partition
            Plan. Israel establishes itself as a
            state. Palestinians say NO to becoming its own state.

            1967 – Israel took over
            the West Bank to provide a barrier to stop the missile attacks. Palestinians still said NO to becoming a state.

            1993 – Oslo Accords. Israel gave land to Palestinians to help
            establish a two state solution and help the Palestinians to set up a government.
            They said NO.

            1996 – PLO declares it
            wants to eliminate Israel.

            2000 – Israel again
            offers 96% of the West Bank, PLO
            once again, NO.

            2005 – Israel withdraws
            8500 from the West Bank. Palestinians
            launched over 946 attacks on Israel and kills hundreds.

            2008 – Israel offers 100%
            of the West Bank to the Palestinians, again, they say, NO.

          • jim

            The simple fact is there was a majority Arab indigenous population living on that Land before the establishment of Israel-regardless of whatever name you want to give that land or who its administrators were in the past
            Israeli apologists like to contend there was a mass immigration of Arabs into Palestine in the last 100 years the historical data simply does not support that posistion

            You don’t have to take my word for it-the census records of the Ottomans and the British mandate Palestine show the demographics of the region quite clearly and beyond dispute
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Palestine

            Around 1500 ad there were only 5000 Jews 6000 Christians and 145000 Muslims comprising the indigenous population of Palestine
            By 1922 it was 84000 Jews,71000 Christians and 589000 Muslims that made up the indigenous population

            By 1947 the demographics were 630000 Jews,143000 Christians and 1,181000 Muslims
            Jews have never been a majority in that land for the past 1800 years or so-most that arrived were colonial johnny come latelys that usurped the native population of their homes and land by means most foul!

          • whenthedevilvisits_dot_com

            The Jews don’t have to a majority! They became a state, the refugee Palestinians did not! The surrounding states could have made it a state, they did not!

            1. Israel became a nation
            in 1312 BCE, two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

            2. Arab refugees in Israel began
            identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the
            establishment of the modern State of Israel.

            3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had
            dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the
            land for the past 3,300 years.

            4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 CE
            lasted no more than 22 years.

            5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish
            capital Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even
            when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their
            capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

            6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the
            Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

            7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never
            came to Jerusalem.

            8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs
            toward Jerusalem.

            9. In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged
            to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews.
            Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

          • jim

            And that justify s forcibly expelling 700,000 + people from their ancestral homes and lands and refusing them the right to return as enshrined in international law-does it ?
            You may think God is a real estate agent -but most of the planet does not !

            Besides, the biblical account makes it quite clear (insofar as such accounts are ever clear) that the Jews, led by Moses and then by Joshua, were colonizers themselves and were commanded by God to exterminate “anything that breathes”

            this is what Deuteronomy 20 has to say: “Put to the sword all the men … As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else … you may take these as plunder for yourselves.” Today, such an injunction would take you straight to the international criminal court.

            Israeli leaders may be in the war crimes docket sooner than you think!
            The world stands appalled at the indiscriminate slaughter and collective punishment of Gaza !

          • whenthedevilvisits_dot_com

            Considering Hamas always starts the fight, I doubt you will turn Israel into a war criminal. Grow up before the whole region is annihilated for cockroaches.

          • jim

            Another hasbara employee- that has no valid credible or verifiable sources to back up his stance-you must manufacture enough hot air to power a balloon to the moon !

          • whenthedevilvisits_dot_com

            Oh please, we are not all as stupid and prideful as you are. I won’t answer any more of your responses as you have proven you are not interested in the truth.

          • jim

            As I suspected you actually can not cite or post any verifiable documented sources to back up your immoral position in supporting collective punishment and state sanctioned apartheid.

            Apartheid Israel is destined down the same path as Apartheid south africa-it is only a matter of time before the Zionist leadership is in the war crimes docket.

            Gaza: how international law could work to punish war crimes
            http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/01/gaza-international-law-war-crimes-security-council

            The security council will be vetoed,as usual by a pliant US govt( chock full of Dual national Israelis in high US office-to boot) but when Palestine is a state there’s another route to justice-the world is watching and it is appalled at the carnage in Gaza

            Protective Edge was not merely a military assault on a primarily civilian population it was also part of an ongoing assault on international humanitarian law (IHL) by a highly coordinated team of Israeli lawyers, military officers, PR people and politicians, led by (no less) a philosopher of ethics.

            It is an effort not only to get Israel off the hook for massive violations of human rights and international law, but to help other governments overcome similar constraints when they embark as well on “asymmetrical warfare,” “counterinsurgency” and “counter-terrorism” against peoples resisting domination. It is a campaign that Israel calls “lawfare” but it is ultimately doomed to fail-Justice will prevail in the end

            http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/01/gaza-international-law-war-crimes-security-council

          • Peace Warrior

            Here is what Benny Morris really has to say at http://www.webcitation.org/5j0sy4bPE

            Irish Times (Letters, p. 17)

            February 21, 2008
            Israel and the Palestinians
            Benny Morris

            Madam, – Israel-haters are fond of citing – and more often, mis-citing – my work in support of their arguments. Let me offer some corrections.

            The Palestinian Arabs were not responsible “in some bizarre way” (David Norris, January 31st) for what befell them in 1948. Their responsibility was very direct and simple.

            In defiance of the will of the international community, as embodied in the UN General Assembly Resolution of November 29th, 1947 (No. 181), they launched hostilities against the Jewish community in Palestine in the hope of aborting the emergence of the Jewish state and perhaps destroying that community. But they lost; and one of the results was the displacement of 700,000 of them from their homes.

            It is true, as Erskine Childers pointed out long ago, that there were no Arab radio broadcasts urging the Arabs to flee en masse; indeed, there were broadcasts by several Arab radio stations urging them to stay put. But, on the local level, in dozens of localities around Palestine, Arab leaders advised or ordered the evacuation of women and children or whole communities, as occurred in Haifa in late April, 1948. And Haifa’s Jewish mayor, Shabtai Levy, did, on April 22nd, plead with them to stay, to no avail.

            Most of Palestine’s 700,000 “refugees” fled their homes because of the flail of war (and in the expectation that they would shortly return to their homes on the backs of victorious Arab invaders). But it is also true that there were several dozen sites, including Lydda and Ramla, from which Arab communities were expelled by Jewish troops.

            The displacement of the 700,000 Arabs who became “refugees” – and I put the term in inverted commas, as two-thirds of them were displaced from one part of Palestine to another and not from their country (which is the usual definition of a refugee) – was not a “racist crime” (David Landy, January 24th) but the result of a national conflict and a war, with religious overtones, from the Muslim perspective, launched by the Arabs themselves.

            There was no Zionist “plan” or blanket policy of evicting the Arab population, or of “ethnic cleansing”. Plan Dalet (Plan D), of March 10th, 1948 (it is open and available for all to read in the IDF Archive and in various publications), was the master plan of the Haganah – the Jewish military force that became the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) – to counter the expected pan-Arab assault on the emergent Jewish state. That’s what it explicitly states and that’s what it was. And the invasion of the armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq duly occurred, on May 15th.

            It is true that Plan D gave the regional commanders carte blanche to occupy and garrison or expel and destroy the Arab villages along and behind the front lines and the anticipated Arab armies’ invasion routes. And it is also true that mid-way in the 1948 war the Israeli leaders decided to bar the return of the “refugees” (those “refugees” who had just assaulted the Jewish community), viewing them as a potential fifth column and threat to the Jewish state’s existence. I for one cannot fault their fears or logic.

            The demonisation of Israel is largely based on lies – much as the demonisation of the Jews during the past 2,000 years has been based on lies. And there is a connection between the two.

            I would recommend that the likes of Norris and Landy read some history books and become acquainted with the facts, not recycle shopworn Arab propaganda. They might then learn, for example, that the “Palestine War” of 1948 (the “War of Independence,” as Israelis call it) began in November 1947, not in May 1948. By May 14th close to 2,000 Israelis had died – of the 5,800 dead suffered by Israel in the whole war (ie almost 1 per cent of the Jewish population of Palestine/Israel, which was about 650,000). – Yours, etc,

            Prof Benny Morris, Li-On, Israel.

          • jim

            The Israeli government and other pro Zionist organizations might try to keep the mass expulsion of Arabs buried in history or offer only a sanitized, thanksgiving-like version of this original sin of ethnic cleansing. But the historical works of Ilan Pappe, the plays of Motti Lerner, and the questions raised by many American Jews who refuse to toe the AIPAC line keep unearthing the bones.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKGA48MptIY

          • jim

            Hmmm-Strange how a search for that letter always leads back to one of these two Zionist shills websites- Daniel Pipes and Jeff Weintraub -and is nowhere else to be found -not even on the paper in questions site!

          • jim

            That is a rather revisionist account of History and recognized by hardly any credible historians in the feild.

            This is what Israeli Historian and ardent Zionist Benny Morris has to say about that-
            “There is no evidence to show that the Arab states and the AHC wanted a mass exodus or issued blanket orders or appeals to the Palestinians to flee their homes (though in certain areas the inhabitants of specific villages were ordered by Arab commanders or the AHC to leave, mainly for strategic reasons).” (“The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem”, p. 129).

            On the contrary, anyone who fled was actually threatened with “severe punishment”. As for the broadcasts by Arab radio stations allegedly calling on people to flee, a detailed listening to recordings of their programmes of that period shows that the claims were invented for pure propaganda.

            Of the 369 Arab towns and villages in Israel (within its 1949 borders), he lists, area by area, the reasons for the departure of the local population

            In 45 cases he admits that he does not know. The inhabitants of the other 228 localities left under attack by Jewish troops, and in 41 cases they were expelled by military force.

            In 90 other localities, the Palestinians were in a state of panic following the fall of a neighbouring town or village, or for fear of an enemy attack, or because of rumours circulated by the Jewish army – particularly after the 9 April 1948 massacre of 250 inhabitants of Deir Yassin, where the news of the killings swept the country like wildfire.

            Best do your own homework rather than repeating talking points from the Israeli ministry of propaganda.

          • whenthedevilvisits_dot_com

            My Gawd you have it bad. History is on the books. You really need to read more than just what makes you “feel good”.

          • jim

            What are you reading ?-the hasbara handbook !

            The secret report that helps Israel hide facts

            http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/israelgaza-conflict-the-secret-report-that-helps-israelis-to-hide-facts-9630765.html
            Israel as an apartheid state has no future. Only as a state which embraces the concept of universal human rights, justice and dignity for all who share the same land can it ensure the peace and security of its people. More than any other this is the abiding lesson of history.

          • James

            You seemed to have left out:

            1917 – The Balfour Declaration –
            Edmond Benjamin James de Rothschild purchased 125,000 acres of Israel for the Zionist movement and attempted to cultivate a Jewish State at that time in Palestine, but the League of Nations failed and the powers that be didn’t yet have absolute control of the globe.

            People need to understand that the Jewish occupation of Palestine was not due to the attrocities of World War 2, but was because the League of Nations failed after World War 1. It took the strong arm of the United Nations for the occupation to be successful. History isn’t as black and white as everyone seems to believe.

          • IndyMason

            Maybe if they wouldn’t chant “Death to America” so much, we would be more receptive.

          • jim

            Hmmm -All 350 million of them chant “death to America” you say-
            that’s assuming you just mean the Arab world only
            But if you mean the Muslim world that would be another 1.6 billion!
            that’s a total of nearly 2 billion people chanting “Death to America”!
            Thats an awful lot of people to be tarring with the same brush -xenophobic almost
            And you get this wholly substantiated and indisputable fact from where exactly ?

          • IndyMason

            I never said it was all of them, only takes a few bad apples to ruin it for the whole bunch. Think about this.

            There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world today. Of course not all of them are radicals! The majority of them are peaceful people. The radicals are estimated to be between 15 to 25 percent, according to all intelligence services around the world. That leaves 75 percent of them peaceful people.

            But when you look at 15 to 25 percent of the world’s Muslim population, you’re looking at 180 million to 300 million people dedicated to the destruction of Western civilization. That is as big as the United States.

            So why should we worry about the radical 15 to 25 percent? Because it is the radicals that kill. Because it is the radicals that behead and massacre.

            When you look throughout history, when you look at all the lessons of history, most Germans were peaceful. Yet, the Nazis drove the agenda and, as a result, 60 million people died. Almost 14 million in concentration camps; 6 million were Jews. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

            When you look at Russia, most Russians were peaceful as well. Yet, the Russians were able to kill 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

            When you look at China, for example, most Chinese were peaceful as well. Yet, the Chinese were able to kill 70 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

            When you look at Japan prior to World War II, most Japanese were peaceful as well. Yet, Japan was able to butcher its way across the Southeast Asia, killing 12 million people, mostly killed with bayonets and shovels. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

            On September 11 in the United States, we had 2.3 million Arab Muslims living in the United States. It took 19 hijackers, 19 radicals, to bring America down to its knees, destroy the World Trade Center, attack the Pentagon and kill almost 3,000 Americans that day. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

            That’s not painting everyone with the same brush, that’s the reality of the situation – oblivious

          • jim

            I wager if there was internet during the years leading up to and including WW2-Nazi sympathizers would have been voicing similar sentiments on forums similar to this- in an effort to justify the existence of places like the Warsaw Ghetto and the persecution of a people based on their ethnicity and creed!
            It was wrong then it is wrong now !

            Of course you will counter by citing something like the Hamas charter or the declarations of western spawned and backed group like ISIS -and claim that this is of a different order-but it is not.

            (The people of the world are being played by the global powers that be-they profit from war big time-and are instrumental in fomenting them -they create false flags, back all sides in a conflict and they always come out as winners
            These are the true enemy’s of humanity!)

            Nazis and their sympathizers of that era would have probably cited tracts from the Talmud as justification for their views and actions,claiming an existential threat -perhaps the tracts cited were even ones such as these-

            “IT IS PERMITTED TO TAKE THE BODY AND LIFE OF A GENTILE.” TALMUD: Sepher Ikkarim III c 25.

            “It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah.” TALMUD: Coschen Hamischpat, Hagah 425.

            “A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands.” TALMUD: Abodah Zara, 4b.

            “Every Jew who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God.” TALMUD: Bammidber raba c 21 & jalkut 772.

          • IndyMason

            Once again, you’re incorrect. I won’t counter with anything, facts don’t matter to the willfully ignorant, so I have decided enough time has been wasted on you.
            Have a nice day.

          • jim

            In other words you have NO verifiable facts to counter with-just propaganda and hearsay!
            (and I am not just talking about this particular musing either-but the documented allegations of collective punishment and other war crimes being carried out by the Israeli state) –
            Good day !

          • Vicky Wright Aldrich

            If you read the entire post (Mason), then your post makes absolutely no sense. You and many others want to re-write history to make it favorable to the Arabs and continue their “victim” status. Their victimization has occurred at the hands of their leaders and their own hatred of Israel. This is why the Arabs in Gaza chose Hamas as their leaders, and continue to live in poverty and fear of losing their lives to a radical terrorist organization.

          • jim

            Israeli Historian Benny Morris(a dyed in the wool Zionist) begs to differ with you !

            In his historical work “The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem”, Benny Morris offers the outlines of an overall answer to the roots of the conflict which began long before Hamas was spawned- with the forced mass expulsion of indigenous Arabs from their ancestral homes and Lands in 1948

            OF the 369 Arab towns and villages in Israel (within its 1949 borders), he lists, area by area, the reasons for the departure of the local population .
            In 45 cases he admits that he does not know.

            The inhabitants of the other 228 localities left under attack by Jewish troops, and in 41 cases they were expelled by military force. In 90 other localities, the Palestinians were in a state of panic following the fall of a neighbouring town or village, or for fear of an enemy attack, or because of rumours circulated by the Jewish army – particularly after the 9 April 1948 massacre of 250 inhabitants of Deir Yassin, where the news of the killings swept the country like wildfire.

            “There is no evidence to show that the Arab states and the AHC wanted a mass exodus or issued blanket orders or appeals to the Palestinians to flee their homes (though in certain areas the inhabitants of specific villages were ordered by Arab commanders or the AHC to leave, mainly for strategic reasons).” (“The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem”, p. 129).

            On the contrary, anyone who fled was actually threatened with “severe punishment”. As for the broadcasts by Arab radio stations allegedly calling on people to flee, a detailed listening to recordings of their programmes of that period shows that the claims were invented for pure propaganda.

          • Peace Warrior

            Here is what Benny Morris really has to say at http://www.webcitation.org/5j0sy4bPE

            Irish Times (Letters, p. 17)

            February 21, 2008
            Israel and the Palestinians
            Benny Morris

            Madam, – Israel-haters are fond of citing – and more often, mis-citing – my work in support of their arguments. Let me offer some corrections.

            The Palestinian Arabs were not responsible “in some bizarre way” (David Norris, January 31st) for what befell them in 1948. Their responsibility was very direct and simple

            In defiance of the will of the international community, as embodied in the UN General Assembly Resolution of November 29th, 1947 (No. 181), they launched hostilities against the Jewish community in Palestine in the hope of aborting the emergence of the Jewish state and perhaps destroying that community. But they lost; and one of the results was the displacement of 700,000 of them from their homes.

            It is true, as Erskine Childers pointed out long ago, that there were no Arab radio broadcasts urging the Arabs to flee en masse; indeed, there were broadcasts by several Arab radio stations urging them to stay put. But, on the local level, in dozens of localities around Palestine, Arab leaders advised or ordered the evacuation of women and children or whole communities, as occurred in Haifa in late April, 1948. And Haifa’s Jewish mayor, Shabtai Levy, did, on April 22nd, plead with them to stay, to no avail.

            Most of Palestine’s 700,000 “refugees” fled their homes because of the flail of war (and in the expectation that they would shortly return to their homes on the backs of victorious Arab invaders). But it is also true that there were several dozen sites, including Lydda and Ramla, from which Arab communities were expelled by Jewish troops.

            The displacement of the 700,000 Arabs who became “refugees” – and I put the term in inverted commas, as two-thirds of them were displaced from one part of Palestine to another and not from their country (which is the usual definition of a refugee) – was not a “racist crime” (David Landy, January 24th) but the result of a national conflict and a war, with religious overtones, from the Muslim perspective, launched by the Arabs themselves.

            There was no Zionist “plan” or blanket policy of evicting the Arab population, or of “ethnic cleansing”. Plan Dalet (Plan D), of March 10th, 1948 (it is open and available for all to read in the IDF Archive and in various publications), was the master plan of the Haganah – the Jewish military force that became the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) – to counter the expected pan-Arab assault on the emergent Jewish state. That’s what it explicitly states and that’s what it was. And the invasion of the armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq duly occurred, on May 15th.

            It is true that Plan D gave the regional commanders carte blanche to occupy and garrison or expel and destroy the Arab villages along and behind the front lines and the anticipated Arab armies’ invasion routes. And it is also true that mid-way in the 1948 war the Israeli leaders decided to bar the return of the “refugees” (those “refugees” who had just assaulted the Jewish community), viewing them as a potential fifth column and threat to the Jewish state’s existence. I for one cannot fault their fears or logic.

            The demonisation of Israel is largely based on lies – much as the demonisation of the Jews during the past 2,000 years has been based on lies. And there is a connection between the two.

            I would recommend that the likes of Norris and Landy read some history books and become acquainted with the facts, not recycle shopworn Arab propaganda. They might then learn, for example, that the “Palestine War” of 1948 (the “War of Independence,” as Israelis call it) began in November 1947, not in May 1948. By May 14th close to 2,000 Israelis had died – of the 5,800 dead suffered by Israel in the whole war (ie almost 1 per cent of the Jewish population of Palestine/Israel, which was about 650,000). – Yours, etc,

            Prof Benny Morris, Li-On, Israel.

          • jim

            Odd that- the letter in question can not be found anywhere but the websites of Arch Zionists Daniel Pipes and Jeff Weintraub ???
            just sayin….

        • jim

          Lol-there are no credible(worldwide) historians or scholars that take that distorted view of history -Even well known dyed in the wool Zionists and Israeli historians like Benny Morris refute that version of events!

          This is what Benny Morris has to say about those events in his book “The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem”,

          “There is no evidence to show that the Arab states and the AHC wanted a mass exodus or issued blanket orders or appeals to the Palestinians to flee their homes (though in certain areas the inhabitants of specific villages were ordered by Arab commanders or the AHC to leave, mainly for strategic reasons).” (“The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem”, p. 129).

          On the contrary, anyone who fled was actually threatened with “severe punishment”. As for the broadcasts by Arab radio stations allegedly calling on people to flee, a detailed listening to recordings of their programmes of that period shows that the claims were invented for pure propaganda.”

          In the 369 Arab towns and villages in Israel (within its 1949 borders), he lists, area by area, the reasons for the departure of the local population. In 45 cases he admits that he does not know.

          The inhabitants of the other 228 localities left under attack by Jewish troops, and in 41 cases they were expelled by military force. In 90 other localities, the Palestinians were in a state of panic following the fall of a neighbouring town or village, or for fear of an enemy attack, or because of rumours circulated by the Jewish army (The Deir Yassein Massacre caused mass panic)

          Preaching to the choir holds no challenge-
          Its you “dude” -that needs to do their own homework -not just take talking points from the Israeli propaganda ministry as gospel-without investigating if there’s any truth to them first!

      • gigi gigi

        Israel belongs to the Jews. This is just propaganda. The Arabs are causing trouble all over the world. Look at the UK right now.

        • CMJO

          It has only been called Israel since the West carved up the map after WW2. Before that, it has been owned by different countries for over the past 2000 years. It wasn’t even Israel when Jesus was there….

          • Phydeux

            No, it wasn’t Israel when Jesus was alive. But it WAS, and always has been, the ancestral home of the 12 tribes of Levi.

            And when Jews had been pretty much run out of Europe on a rail in a wave of persecution, they were offered their ancestral home back precisely BECAUSE no one had any legitimate claim to the land greater than theirs.

            Sure, conquerors came and went from what is today Israel, but no one who legitimately set up a permanent government.

          • CMJO

            Ummmmm…….The people that offered it to them didn’t even live there. What is wrong with you? No legitimate claim? How about the Jews, Arabs, and Christians that already lived there an owned it?

          • Phydeux

            Nothing’s wrong with me. What’s wrong with you? Why can’t you leave people to live in peace?

            When Israel was founded everyone already living there was offered the chance to join, but they refused to set aside their religious differences the way the western world does.

            Why can’t you set aside religious differences and just live with your neighbors in this world? Why does YOUR religion have to win out?

          • CMJO

            You’re asking me why I can’t leave people to live in peace when you are advocating the continued destruction of people’s homes? Really? You say they were offered a chance to join, but if you knew history, you’d know that it was a rigged setup that still displaced people to put another people group there. No one should be forced out of their homes and lives that they have built. Also, my religion has nothing to do with this. I’m not a Muslim. I just don’t pander to a country that has only existed for a little over half a century because the West decided to take land and homes from people that were already there. You are something else.

            I do want people to live in peace. It’s your side that doesn’t. You don’t care that the people in Palestine are being treated like criminals. You believe the claim that Hammas is using civilians as human shields, which is laughable when they have nowhere to go because of Israel’s blockade on the Gaza Strip. Really? Let’s block all these people into a densely populated area, and then say that Hammas is using them as shields. That question you asked can easily be asked of you. Why can’t YOU set aside your religious differences? Why does YOUR religion have to win out? Before the West stole these people’s lands, the Jews, Christians, and Muslims that lived there lived in peace. This isn’t just about religion. It’s about the destruction of people’s livelihoods and homes. To think otherwise is naive and shows you have a low understanding of human nature.

          • CMJO

            Based on your line of thinking, we don’t have a legitimate claim to the US even though we live here and have built our lives here. Why? Because it is the ancestral home to the Native Americans. So let’s just ship us off to Europe and overtake them.

          • gigi gigi

            Mark 12:28-30 One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, “What commandment is the foremost of all?” Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD; AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.’… Why would Jesus say O Israel, if there was no Israel. Israel is mentioned throughout the whole Bible.

          • jim

            Biblical “Israel” is only northern Israel (Samaria) and there never was a united kingdom including both ancient Judea and Samaria.
            In traditional Judaism there is no injunction to “return” to the “land of Israel”. The ritual “next year in Jerusalem” that is part of the Passover Seder prayer was never a call to action, or to reconstitute a state.

            But even had such a kingdom ever existed and been promised by God to the Jews, it is hardly a clinching argument for claiming statehood after more than 2,000 years.

            Further more at the time, few Jews were Zionists. When persecuted, as they were in the tsarist empire, they much preferred to flee to the new lands of immigration such as Argentina and the United States, than to the Promised Land.

            And later -short of actively blocking all routes from Europe for fleeing Jews but Palestine -The Jewish Agency delegation headed by Golda Meir ignored a German offer to allow Jews to emigrate to other countries for $250 a head, and the Zionists made no effort to influence the United States and the 32 other countries attending the conference to allow immigration of German and Austrian Jews. such was there zeal for colonizing Palestine-that they were willing to jeopardize their own people to do it!

            What made the “State of Israel” possible was not God’s promise of a return to a long-lost land, but the Balfour declaration(The UK had no right to give away a land that had an indigenous population already) the Holocaust and the western reluctance to provide a refuge for its survivors.

          • gigi gigi

            The prophet Jeremiah prophesied about 600 years B.C. just as the nation of Judah was being destroyed and the people taken captive into the land of Babylon. He spoke of a day when Jews would once again purchase land within the ancient territory. That is precisely what returning Jews did, starting nearly a century ago – they bought back the land.
            Jeremiah 32:44 Fields will be bought for silver, and deeds will be signed, sealed and witnessed in the territory of Benjamin, in the villages around Jerusalem, in the towns of Judah and in the towns of the hill country, of the western foothills and of the Negev, because I will restore their fortunes, declares the LORD. And that is what the Jews did they bought back their land from the arabs. Israel belongs to the Jewish people

          • jim

            These fine Jews beg to differ with you

            NYC: 10,000+ Jews Against Israel (U.S. Media Blackout)
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMQ9C6vni0w

          • gigi gigi

            Not everyone who calls out to me, Lord!Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.But I will reply, I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’ Mathew 7 21-23 Just because someone is a Jew doesn’t mean he is doing the will of God. God wants to gather his people back. I wouldn’t say New York is the new promised land.

          • jim

            Tell it to the Jewish holocaust survivors that are condemning Israels collective punishment of the population of Gaza-as genocidal-by open letter

            “Over 300 survivors and descendants of the Holocaust have published an open letter condemning what they call Israel’s “genocide” in Gaza.

            The letter also condemns politicians and opinion writers who have, the signatories say, openly called for the genocide of Palestinians in what they say is an extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society.
            http://www.nationalheadlines.co.uk/holocaust-survivors-pen-open-letter-condemning-israels-gaza-war/457136/

          • SmokeyBehr

            No, it wasn’t “Israel” during the time of Jesus, but it wasn’t “Palestine” either. It was part of the Roman Empire.

          • whenthedevilvisits_dot_com

            Palestinians didn’t even come into existence before 1967.

            Arab refugees in Israel began identifying
            themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the
            establishment of the modern State of Israel.

          • jim

            It doesn’t matter if the Land or people were called this or that !-the simple fact is an indigenous Arab population had been living there for generations already and made up a majority of the population in historic Palestine!
            The Ottoman and British Mandate Census data attests to that as a Historical fact-in 1500,s already there was a total of at least 157000 people
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Palestine

            In 1922 Jews made up only 10% of the native population by 1947 that population had risen to 35% due to the large influx of colonial squatters that had arrived(some fleeing persecution and others not). the dispossession of the Arab indigenous population of their ancestral homes and lands was a war crime of huge proportions
            Facts are facts regardless of what the Israeli propaganda ministry would have you believe!

          • Chip Bresett

            Why does no one ever mention the Jordanians. Jordan was once a part of Palestine.

            in·dig·e·nous

            adjective

            1.

            originating in and characteristic of a particular region or country; native (often followed by to):
            the plants indigenous to Canada; the indigenous peoples of southern Africa.

            2.

            innate; inherent; natural (usually followed by to):
            feelings indigenous to human beings.

            The Palestinians don’t fit that description so you should stop using it. And they left on their own.

            All written accounts of Israel in the late 1800s and early 1900s paint it as a desolate wasteland practically void of inhabitants. After 1948, Palestinians population really increased due to jobs and improvements to the land.

            A lot of this information can be found in the very wiki article you cited, as bad and poorly footnoted as it is.

            Like you said, facts are facts, and they are not on your side.

          • jim

            (sigh)another of Israels apologists peddling propaganda as fact ( here we go again) Mark Twains quote from ” Innocents abroad”can hardly be called fact -can it !( Colonial romanticism perhaps-but certainly not Historical fact)

            Ottoman census records from 1500 onward shows a 5% Jewish population out of a total of 157000 in the mid 1500,s the census records then show a Jewish population of 43000 Jews out of a total of 532000 in the 1890s(doesnt sound very empty by any means-does it)
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buhpHTGAlTE
            These census records paint a much more historically accurate picture than the Mark twain quote from” Innocents abroad” -which seems to be the main source that is peddled as fact by Israels apologist without actually investigating it any further for themselves-(the words “useful idiots ” come to mind)

            well sorry quoting Twain is not fact -its just colonial romanticism
            Census data however is historical fact-its a historical fact that British census data in 1922 shows there was only a 10% Jewish population at the time-that rose to 35% by 1947
            Dont believe me !-look for it up for yourself

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Palestine

          • jim

            There seems to be an awful lot of cognitive dissonance going around among Israels apologists!
            Either that- or their on the Hasbara payroll!Lol

            Israeli students paid to defend country online
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTtoRrHRt3o

          • IndyMason

            Nor was it Palestine.

        • jim

          The Ottoman and British mandate census records are historical fact
          indigenous Arabs were a majority and living on that land for generations already-long before the arrival of European Ashkenazim Jews-the forcible expulsion of that indigenous Arab population -and their subsequent denial to the right of return contrary to international law -lies at the root of this conflict !
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Palestine

      • Firstallie

        More propaganda crap from eggheads.

        • jim

          Hmmm these holocaust survivors may beg to differ with you !
          Over 300 survivors and descendants of the Holocaust have published an open letter condemning what they call Israel’s “genocide” in Gaza.

          Its partly in their name and suffering that the Israeli state commits its continued crimes against the Palestinians
          So their voice s matter
          http://www.nationalheadlines.co.uk/holocaust-survivors-pen-open-letter-condemning-israels-gaza-war/457136/

          Call it what you will but it is a historical fact -that British Mandate Palestine in 1922 only had a 10% native Jewish population the other 90% where indigenous Arabs that had been living on the land there for generations-Ottoman and British mandate census data attests to this as historical fact !
          In 1500 AD there was only 5% indigenous Jews the rest were Arabs
          By 1947 the number had risen to around 35% after the influx of fleeing European Jews !
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Palestine

          It is a historical fact that Roosevelt convened the Evian conference July 6-15 1938, to deal with the Jewish refugee problem. The Jewish Agency delegation headed by Golda Meir ignored a German offer to allow Jews to emigrate to other countries for $250 a head, and the Zionists made no effort to influence the United States and the 32 other countries attending the conference to allow immigration of German and Austrian Jews. They would rather jeopardize their own people by in effect blocking fleeing Jews paths to anywhere but Palestine

          • gigi gigi

            The first returning Jews to Israel came primarily from eastern Arab countries. The next major movement came from the western countries of Europe, especially Germany. Then they came in great numbers from Russia (north) during the end of the 1980’s. The last great migrations of Jews returning to Israel came from Ethiopia in the south. This precise order of return was predicted by Isaiah the prophet.
            Isaiah 43:5-6,21 “Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!’ and to the south, `Do not hold them back.’ Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth.” This is Gods plan not the Jews, Americans or anyone else.

          • jim

            That un-sourced data only gives a demographic of the influx of Jews-
            it is in and of itself no justification for the Mass expulsion of an Indigenous Arab population whose ancestral homes and lands had been there for generations already
            Ottoman and British mandate census data attests to that as Historical fact

            It is a historical fact that by 1922 there was only a 10% Jewish population in British Mandate Palestine

            By 1947 that number was still in the minority at 35%

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Palestine

          • Bert_1

            What is your point?

          • jim

            I am making the point that there was a majority indigenous Arab population in Palestine for centuries before the influx of European jews-who were then forcibly expelled or driven out by fear of persecution in 1948 and subsequently denied the right of return as international law demands !
            Many of Israels apologists seem to want to deny that basic historical fact !

      • Phydeux

        Jim, if you watch the video, there was a LONG period of time where Israel TRIED to coexist with Palestinians in peace. But Hamas forced them to build the walls.

        So if there’s any “Apartheid” (which is a wrongly borrowed word) its self-inflicted by Hamas because they cannot and will not live in peace with Israel.

        So what do you expect the Israelis to do? Just lay down and die?

        And before you go accusing me of not knowing what’s going on, I was THERE, in Israel, just before the first Intifada. And up to that point it was a very peaceful country. We traveled the entire country, including the west bank and Gaza, and found the people quite welcoming and friendly.

        • CMJO

          Not true at all! Nice try. Maybe we should just come take your home and land and see what happens….

          • Phydeux

            Completely true. You just don’t want to accept any truth that favors the continuation of the Israeli state.

            And its fine if you wish to refuse, just be honest about it.

          • CMJO

            Actually, I used to be like you. Then I actually educated myself and stopped denying the truth. You say I deny it, but in reality, you are denying the truth of the matter. You are denying what has actually happened in the last 70 years. You claim you were there, but I find that very hard to believe. I lived in that part of the world for several years and saw first hand the evils of the Israeli government. There are also evils from Hammas. But supporting one side’s wrongdoing while condemning the others is barbaric and one sided. It also won’t ever help solve the problem. Bravo to you, sir. Bravo.

          • Guest

            NEVER challenge someone who has their passport close at hand.

          • Phydeux

            NEVER challenge someone who has their passport close at hand. You’ll be proven wrong.

            Seems not to have uploaded.
            http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv232/Phydeux/20140830_105833_zps54aa8562.jpg

          • CMJO

            BAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

          • Phydeux

            You laughed too soon. I fixed Disqus’s failure.

          • CMJO

            Oh no! You must be really crazy.

          • Phydeux

            Crazy enough to believe that Islam is not the only religion that should exist, and has a right to exist in this world? Yes.

            Crazy enough to believe that Palestinians could live in peace if only Hamas would leave? Yes.

            Crazy enough to show a nearly 30 year old passport to prove a point? Yes.

            Crazy enough to think I’ll ever persuade you give Israel a chance, or that Hamas will disarm first and give peace a chance? No… not that crazy.

          • CMJO

            No, you’re crazy because you think you can call me a Muslim because I disagree with the murder of innocent people. Ironic….

          • CMJO

            And….I did give Israel a chance when I was blind and supported them.

          • jim

            Most peoples problem is not with a denial of an Israeli state-it is its apartheid nature that troubles many!
            I personally(and many others) favor a bi national one state solution with equal rights for all!
            The Israeli leadership unfortunately has other ideas!

        • jim

          You should brush up a bit on the history of the Apartheid state of Israel,s preponderance for false flags and as the enablers of Hamas as opposition to the PLO-in essence Hamas was a “Frankenstein” that turned upon its enablers
          http://www.jerusalemonline.com/news/middle-east/israeli-palestinian-relations/wikileaks-israel-actively-supported-hamas-6980
          During Operation “Protective Edge”, news leaks website WikiLeaks exposes secret documents which were passed between American diplomats in the 1980’s. These documents allegedly show that Israel was interested in enabling Hamas activity in its beginning, intending to weaken the PLO and ending the first Intifada.

        • jim

          And that justify s the collective punishment of 1,.8 million people in your book does it ?
          After all -there not ALL Hamas members are they !
          (or maybe you think they are !lol)
          That would be like someone punishing the entire population of the US because Obama was voted in !

      • Danny

        An unbeatable video! Didn’t know Hamas made videos. .

        • CMJO

          I didn’t know people couldn’t think for themselves or read. Ever been over there? I have. This video is pretty accurate.

      • Malcolm Alexander

        Are you speaking about Black September? When Jordan- fellow muslims killed several thousand Palestinians and drove them out of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan?

        • jim

          I am referring to the Deir Yassin massacre and similar other events like the al-Dawayima massacre
          They were perpetrated on the Palestinians as an act of terror in an effort to hasten the ethnic cleansing of the Land by the Israeli forces
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31cDUd1uwE8

          • Bert_1

            So now you are assigning culpability for an action taken by a group of terrorists to the Jewish state? Ridiculous…

          • jim

            At least you admit Irgun were terrorists Bert-thats something at least!
            But seeing as the Israeli state was born of terrorism in part(King david hotel bombing etc)and the Irgun was a Zionist paramilitary group that operated in Mandate Palestine between 1931 and 1948. and was an offshoot of the Haganah – who were later absorbed into the IDF at the start of the 1948 Arab–Israeli war. I would – in short -say yes they were representatives of the Israeli state!

          • Bert_1

            Of course you would. I would be surprised if you accepted anything that put Israel in a good light. But, how could Irgun be representatives of the Israeli state before the Israeli state even existed? For that matter, does the fact that there were militias in North America that perpetrated what we would call today terrorist activities and were subsequently absorbed by the military of the US after the US was created make the US a terrorist nation? Did those militias represent the US before the US was founded?

          • jim

            Bert -Most Zionists and their sympathizers are ideologues. That is, they see the world through the ideology of Zionism and Israeli nationalism, and this narrows their ability to see things, especially their own behavior, in an objective way.

            For instance, they insist that their economic impoverishment, ethnic cleansing and periodic slaughter of the Palestinians are carried out in “self-defense.” However, they absolutely refuse to consider(applicable to most sympathizers also) that Palestinian violence against Israel is a reaction to Israeli policies and practices, particularly those of occupation, land confiscation and police state rule.

            In other words, Zionism and Israeli nationalism have blinded Israeli policy makers and their supporters to the consequences of Israels actions. That state of mind is not good for anyone, be they individuals or groups.

          • Bert_1

            I, and others, have said exactly the same thing about you, Jim. There is a reason that you are called “Jihadist Jim”. You refuse to see anything of the world except your own jaundiced view. You seem to me to be completely incapable of objective thought, at least on the topic of Israel. You wear blinders so large that most people would be unable to pick them up let alone wear them.

            More to your points:

            “…that Palestinian violence against Israel is a reaction to Israeli policies and practices, particularly those of occupation, land confiscation and police state rule”

            And what you absolutely refuse to consider is the fact that this violence against the Jews predates the creation of Israel. Most people do see that Israel and the Palestinian terrorists (to differentiate them from the rank-and-file Palestinians) are in a never ending circle of violence. But what cannot be denied is that every time there is a major eruption, like last July, it is always the terrorists who throw the first punch. Every freaking time. Then, Israel is vilified for protecting her own.

            No one that I know of who supports Israel is blind to the consequences of Israeli action. But, people like you are blind to the consequences of Israeli inaction.

          • jim

            Bert,that tin foil lined straw hat must be extremely tight fitting-your moral centers are completely shot
            Your ilk refuse to consider that Palestinian violence against Israel is a reaction to Israeli policies and practices, particularly those of occupation, land confiscation and police state rule.
            Is it so difficult to comprehend or empathize with ?

          • Bert_1

            I can empathize with the rank-and-file Palestinian fine. What I can’t fathom is why you insist on perpetuating the conflict. The UN (or League of Nations) put forth a proposal for a two state solution. Israel and many other nations have been pushing for that same solution ever since. You and your ilk refuse that solution instead opting for war. It is people like you who cause the carnage, not the Israelis. Solve the problem – create the two states – and the carnage stops.

          • jim

            I personally believe a bi national one state with equality for all is the only viable way

          • Bert_1

            What is a bi-national one state?

          • jim

            A one state solution (Bi-national meaning both Palestinian and Israeli )-in essence A state shared by ALL the people of that conflicted region-Jews ,Christians ,Muslims and Druze-with equal rights for all !

          • Bert_1

            So Hamas wants to kill all Jews and you think that they will make nice if there is a single, all inclusive state?

          • jim

            Since when they do represent both the west bank and Gaza !
            Btw still waiting on someone to post ONE documented occurrence off the human shield canard in an OCCUPIED building

          • Bert_1

            So I just mentioned Hamas. The PA is the same.

          • jim

            Bert -the canard so often used can work both ways-the human shields slander is an Israeli projection.

            Israel is the most militarized society on earth, with soldiers and military installations honeycombed throughout its civil society. With full military conscription for all men and women and reserve duty required for all Jews until they reach their 40s, Jewish Israelis alternate constantly between the role of civilian and soldier, blurring the line between the two.

            Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times
            http://www.ynetnews.com/articl

          • Bert_1

            You make such ridiculous arguments, Jim. This will be my last reply because I am growing tired of your childishness.

            I don’t doubt that Israel is the most militarized society on earth. Not only do they have a large, well equipped military, but virtually every citizen is armed. I always found it odd and sad to see pictures of Israeli ambulance attendants at (usually) a terrorist bombing of some sort with semi-automatic pistols tucked in their belts. That’s what happens when your neighbors are trying to kill you. Of course, you will see this as proof of the Israeli’s brutality.

            Have Israelis used Palestinians as human shields? I don’t know but probably. But the difference is that the Israelis will prosecute anyone caught doing that while Hamas will congratulate anyone of their people doing the same thing. Just like when those teenagers were killed last June. Hamas celebrated the deaths of the Israeli youths and congratulated the perpetrators while the Israelis tracked down and prosecuted the person who killed the Palestinian youth. That, Jim, is the difference between a civilized society like Israel and the barbarian terrorists that are in Hamas, PA, Hezbollah, ISIS and all of those other groups. And, it is why so many of us support Israel and abhor the Palestinian/Muslim terrorists.

      • Victor Mancilla

        WOW! Talk about propaganda. It really isn’t surprising how many historical facts were left out of this comical recollection of the history of the conflict. Throughout many debates with Palestinians, I have found that they have been taught a twisted history of what has occurred. It is like arguing with a crazy person. There is no way for them to look at the hard facts. Everything they have been told, they hold on to as truth. You can’t debate someone that refuses to investigate the truth themselves. One of their strongest arguments is denying that certain things had taken place. A good example is how many believe that the Holocaust never happened. They say that is all propaganda by westerners to help gain sympathy toward the Jews. They are INSANE! Don’t waste your time, or patience in trying to debate with them to get them to see a speck of truth.

        • jim

          I see another employee from the hasbara project has surfaced-will you also be providing un-sourced,unsubstantiated and unverifiable hearsay masquerading as proofs to go with that straw man- as is” de rigeur”?

          Hmmm- Which ministry of hasbara issued tin foil lined straw hat could you be you sporting-I wonder ?
          (They come with the hasbara ministry’s standard issue straw men and-
          I hear they suppress the moral centers extremely well -but can cause cognitive dissonance as a side effect-some say -be sure not to get- too tight a fit-and your ok !)

          A boater perhaps ?

          Israeli Government Paying Students To Make Positive Comments About Israel On Social Media Sites
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnSUgvSQAio

    • CMJO

      Kind of like the Revolutionary War. :/

      • Phydeux

        No, not at all like the Revolutionary War. You misunderstand the reasons behind it. People came here to ESCAPE the tyranny of one king and one religion. And the Revolutionary War was the people telling that one king they’d had enough of his choke hold over their commerce, the religion, and their lives.

        You see “freedom fighters” as fighting for freedom for YOUR brand of religion and politics.

        In the US, we saw “freedom fighters” as fighting for EVERYONE’S brand of religion and politics. They wanted everyone to be free to choose what suited them.

        That’s what you can’t stand. You can’t stand for others to be allowed to have their own religious and political beliefs. You want them to conform to yours, and only yours, or go before the sword.

        • CMJO

          ِExactly like the Revolutionary War. And I’m very okay with everyone having their own religious beliefs. You don’t want others to have their own. Hence your support of the expulsion of the Palestinians from their homes. You also seem to think you know my religious beliefs and are trying to marginalize me…..which shows your small mind.

          • Phydeux

            Not at all. Hamas doesn’t want any other religion but Islam to exist in the region. And if they were to destroy Israel, they would then set their sights on the next closest non-Muslim country and go after them.

          • CMJO

            Oh, so now I’m part of Hamas? Oh, okay. That’s news to me. And no. No they wouldn’t “set their sights on the next closest non-Muslim country.” You have NO idea.

          • Phydeux

            You argue in favor of their cause, so in my eyes you’ve pitched in with their cause.

          • CMJO

            Oh my. You are stupid. I’m not arguing in favor of their cause. Can you read or comprehend things? I’m speaking out against the actions of the Israeli government, which all God fearing Christians should do.

          • Phydeux

            Apparently the Pope himself disagrees with you.

          • CMJO

            The Pope isn’t always right. The Bible is what’s right…..I guess you don’t read the Bible? Anyway, the Pope also used to tell believe you could pray people out of hell and they could pay for forgiveness. That’s not in the Bible.

          • Bert_1

            The Pope has never made such a claim. Hell has always been a permanent address for anyone assigned there according to Catholic teaching.

    • James

      If an armed burglar entered your house and threatened your family, would you shoot them?

  • BlueMN

    I guess I missed the part where Israel continues building in the West Bank and Gaza, leaving Hamas as the only legitimate opposition to Israeli aggression in most Palestinians eyes.

    • Phydeux

      Most Palestinians HATE Hamas and wish they’d leave. But they’re too scared to say anything because they’re held hostage by Hamas in their own homes.

      If you’d paid attention to the video, there was a long period BEFORE the walls went up where Palestinians and Jews tried to live in peace together, and it started to work.

      It was Hamas who refused to go along and get along. So now the Palestinians are forced to keep silent as their homes and schools are used as launching pads for Hamas rockets. And all they want is to be left alone.

      • CMJO

        It never started to work because Israel has consistently taken their land and destroyed their homes. This isn’t anything new.

        • Bert_1

          The Israelis target homes and other structures that have been used as launch points – and act which makes them legitimate military targets. They do not randomly target homes to be destroyed.

  • jim

    Buck Sexton neglects to mention A similar number of Palestinians have been killed in this round of Israeli collective punishment alone-as Israelis killed by Arab resistance in the entire history of the State of Israel.

    Sounds a little disproportionate to say the least!

    • Wannalive

      Absolutely disproportionate use of concrete, for sure. Israel uses it to build shelters for its citizen, the so-called Palestinians use it for death tunnels & shelters for its leaders,using its citizens as cannon fodder, so that somebody like you can complain about “disproportions”.
      Proportions should be according to intentions. Go read the Hamas charter.

      • jim

        And reading the Hamas charter will make make me Justify, understand and support the collective punishment of the whole of the 1.8 million captive civilian population of Gaza -will it !!(they are not ALL members or sympathizers of Hamas)

        Thats like saying the US voted Obama’s in -so it is Justifiable to collectively punish the entire US population for it !

        • Bert_1

          The only captive Palestinians are the terrorists. The rest are free to leave or stay as they see fit.

          • jim

            Bert -there just empty words and opinion-if you can provide no verifiable sources to go with your claim!

            The fact that Gaza is an open air prison is well documented

            Inside the world’s largest open-air prison
            http://www.smh.com.au/world/inside-the-worlds-largest-openair-prison-20100604-xkmp.html

            UK Prime Minister David Cameron has condemned the blockade of the Gaza Strip, describing the territory as a “prison camp”.
            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-10778110

            Australia MPs: Gaza is world’s largest outdoor jail
            http://www.jpost.com/International/Australia-MPs-Gaza-is-worlds-largest-outdoor-jail

          • Bert_1

            People can call Gaza whatever they want but that does not change the fact that if a Palestinian wants to leave and go wherever s/he wants, s/he is free to do so – at least free by Israeli standards. Hamas may require the Palestinians to stay put but Israel doesn’t control that.

            I have seen the current situation in Gaza compared to the Soviet Union. Many people in the Soviet Union despised their government but they dared not say anything. Especially when Stalin was alive, any opposition was met with a quick death. The Palestinians face the same thing with Hamas. they may not like Hamas but they know if they say anything, they will be dead. How many Palestinians have been killed and had their bodies dragged through the streets of Gaza because they were suspected of being Israeli sympathizers? Any bets on what the odds are that “Israeli sympathizer” is a euphemism for anti-Hamas sentiment?

          • jim

            Bert -if you provide no credible sourcing its just empty rhetoric and Israeli propaganda-the fact that Gaza is an open air prison is well documented

            Gaza is ‘open-air prison’ UN humanitarian chief
            “What people in Gaza want to see is the opening of the crossings … not only for goods but for people because they are living … in a large open-air prison,”
            http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/gaza-is-open-air-prison-un-humanitarian-chief

            Australia MPs: Gaza is world’s largest outdoor jail
            http://www.jpost.com/International/Australia-MPs-Gaza-is-worlds-largest-outdoor-jail

        • Eagle2758

          From the Hamas Charter:

          ‘Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will

          obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.’ (Preamble)

          ‘[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and

          international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of

          the Islamic Resistance Movement… Those conferences are no more than

          a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of

          Islam… There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by

          Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a

          waste of time, an exercise in futility.’ (Article 13)

    • Phydeux

      He doesn’t need to mention it, its been all over the news. However, those deaths never would have occurred if Hamas hadn’t fired rockets at Israel.

      Punishment doesn’t come unless you’ve done something to BE punished for.

      And to call it “Arab resistance” is to give cover to terrorists whose primary purpose is to kill Jews for the crime of not being Muslim. How can you take the side of religious genocide?

      • jim

        When has it been mentioned on the MSM news that the roots of this slaughter go back to the mass expulsion of the indigenous Arab population in 48 ?
        Or even the fact that a similar amount of Gazans have been massacred (mostly civilian)in this round of collective punishment by the apartheid state of Israel-as is equal to or less than the entire amount of Israelis killed(mostly military)since the birth of the Israeli state ?

        Do you have any verifiable sources to go with your claim or is it “hasbara” hot air !

        • Bert_1

          When Hamas stops turning civilian facilities into military facilities, Israel will stop attacking them. In the mean time, Israel provides notification to residents before attacking when they can.

          • jim

            Bert -This canard is the main justification used by Israels apologist to try to justify the collective punishment of an imprisoned population of 1.8 million people!

            Can you provide ONE documented and verifiable instances of it occurring ? (the 3 EMPTY UN facility where weapons have been found don’t count-because they were EMPTY and unused)

            However there is ample documented and verifiable instances of the IDF using children as human shields-

            Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times

            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html)
            80% of the over 2100+ deaths in Gaza are civilian!
            500+ of whom are children

            These fine people also beg to differ with you
            Jewish Holocaust survivors pen open letter condemning Israel’s Gaza war

            Over 300 survivors and descendants of the Holocaust have published an open letter condemning what they call Israel’s “genocide” in Gaza.

            The letter also condemns politicians and opinion writers who have, the signatories say, openly called for the genocide of Palestinians in what they say is an extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society.

            http://www.nationalheadlines.co.uk/holocaust-survivors-pen-open-letter-condemning-israels-gaza-war/457136/

          • Bert_1

            Those schools were not “unused”. They were closed for the summer. The problem is that we have no idea when those weapons were stored in the schools. It could have been prior to school closing for the summer. Regardless, they were schools and were, therefore, off limits for the terrorists as military facilities.

            If you want to play the numbers game, 60% of the population of Gaza is children 14 or younger. So, in a strictly random attack, one would expect that 60% of the casualties to be children. And, if anti-Semitic people are to believed and the IDF targets civilians, that number should be even higher. Yet, even according to Hamas’ numbers, the percentage of casualties who are children is around 25%. Those number don’t wash with your “collective punishment” charges or the claim that the IDF targets civilians.

            As for the Holocaust survivors, there are plenty of Americans who hate the US. Does the fact that they are American make them right? The Holocaust survivors, like anyone else, are entitled to their opinion. But, they cannot change the fact that every war Israel has been in has been started by someone else or that every conflict with the Palestinians has been started by a Palestinian terrorist organization.

            Let me ask you this, Jim: What would you do if you were the PM of Israel and Hamas started lobbing rockets at your countrymen?

          • jim

            In others words other than those 3 highly disputed instances you can not provide even ONE verifiable and documented other instance of it occurring in a populated civilian building !

            The IDF,s use of children as human shields however is well documented
            in 2005, the Israeli high court found that Israeli soldiers had used Palestinian civilians as human shields 1,200 times in the past 5 years. As Ynet reported at the time:
            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html

            Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz on Tuesday demanded that the High Court review aruling it issued last Thursday in which it declared that the ‘human shield’ procedure employed by the IDF when detaining Palestinian terror suspects is illegal and violates international law.

          • Bert_1

            What, in your opinion, constitutes a verifiable and documented instance of the terrorists using civilian buildings for military purposes? There was a reporter (Pakistani, I believe) who videoed the terrorists building a launch outside his hotel in Gaza pad and launching a rocket against Israel. Is that documented enough for you? The video is available on YouTube.

            What about the videos provided by the IDF? I assume that, since the IDF is made up of Jews, you won’t accept their videos. If so, we are at a stalemate because most of the evidence is unearthed by them. The UN inspectors just happened to find the weapons caches – but you call them “highly disputed” anyway. Disputed by who?

            You didn’t answer my question.

          • jim

            Lol-funny how you take that particular report as Gospel -but dismiss out of a hand a report made by the same reporter the next day on civilian casualties in Gaza
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7lcNjTRSn4

            And surely there must be ONE documented and verifiable account you or the Israeli propaganda ministry can provide-after all this canard is the main justification for bombing densely populated civilian centers in total contravention to the Geneva conventions and the civilized laws of War

            Besides-Gaza is one of the most densely populated portions of the planet -the footage shown was not very clear but appeared to be a tent on an empty strip of land-it hardly justify s the collective punishment and slaughter of 2100+ people does it!

          • Bert_1

            You are blinded by your own bigotry, Jim. You will never accept the fact that Israel is not the satan you believe they are so there is no point in continuing this conversation.

          • jim

            You are projecting your own inadequacies now Bert!
            I put it to you that it is your Blind bigotry of all things Muslim that blinds you to plain and simple historical facts

          • Bert_1

            There you go with your standard straw man argument again, Jim. At no time have i expressed any resentment of or bigotry toward Muslims. My comments have been restricted to the Palestinian terrorists and I don’t give a rat’s a$$ what their religion is. And Atheist terrorist is just as much a terrorist as a Muslim terrorist.

            However, I do understand our position. Since you cannot justify your position using reason and logic, you try to tear your opponents down with arguments they did not make.

          • jim

            There you go projecting again Bert
            try providing some actual facts that are sourced and documented-Unsubstantiated Israeli talking points and hearsay just dont cut it

            Btw what are your thoughts on the fact that Jewish victims of the holocaust are in the main against Israels apartheid policy-but the bulk of the Zionist leadership who setup the Israeli state were vicious fascists that hardly experienced any of the horrors of WW2 and the persecution of Jews in Europe and and went on to do the same to the indigenous Arabs of the region-as was done to their brethren in Europe

            in fact the Zionists of the WW2 era- actively campaigned to block the path of fleeing Jews to anywhere but Palestine in an effort to force Jewish migration to this colonial outpost.

            Any mental gymnastics you would like to employ on that little conundrum Bert ?(and please source your claims will you)

          • jim

            So the short answer is you have NO example you can give other than the 3 EMPTY UN facilitys!
            Isn’t it funny how Jewish victims of the holocaust are in the main against Israels apartheid policy-but the bulk of the Zionist leadership who setup the Israeli state are vicious fascists that hardly experienced any of the horrors of WW2 and the persecution of Jews in Europe and are now doing the same to the indigenous Arabs of the region

            in fact the Zionists of the WW2 era- actively campaigned to block the path of fleeing Jews to anywhere but Palestine in an effort to force Jewish migration to this colonial outpost-what a nice bunch they were huh!

            As for what would I do
            I wouldn’t collectively punish 1.8 million people by aerial assault and commit a war crime in the process-that is for sure-the PM could send in IDF by ground if they truly wanted to minimize civilian causality s-but it appears even with all their advanced weaponry the PM is to cowardly to risk the deaths of his SOLDIERS-

            The Israeli PM would rather commit grave war crimes instead and inflict collective punishment by aerial means-secure in the knowledge that the US veto in the security council will shield Israel from being held accountable by the rest of the planet-it is based on the notion that wrongdoing repeated often enough unaccountably will get nations worldwide to accept it or do nothing to stop it.

    • Bert_1

      I’ve never understood how someone can look at what is going on between Israel and Hamas and blame Israel for it. If you attack a country, why would you be surprised if that country defends itself?

      • jim

        Bert you seem to conveniently forget the roots of this conflict started when 700000+ Arabs were forcibly expelled or fled for their lives as a result of terror campaigns like the Deir Yassein Massacre in 1948.
        Most family’s still have the keys to the homes they were expelled from !

        • Bert_1

          On the contrary, Jim. Few, if any, Arabs were forcibly expelled from Israel. In 1948, the Arab nations attacked Israel with the intention of destroying her. The Arabs that fled did so because the war made it too dangerous to stay in Israel.

          Besides, it was no more than 30,000 who left. The number 700,000 represents those who left and their descendants so you are misrepresenting history.

          Yes, there were Israeli terrorists back then as well, but all of the wars have been started by Arabs and/or Palestinians.

          • jim

            Bert if you provide no verifiable sourcing to go with your claims-its just hot air !

            Anyone could pluck facts and figures out the air and claim they were gospel truth

            In the opening pages of “The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem”, Benny Morris offers the outlines of an overall answer: using a map that shows the 369 Arab towns and villages in Israel (within its 1949 borders), he lists, area by area, the reasons for the departure of the local population

            In 45 cases he admits that he does not know. The inhabitants of the other 228 localities left under attack by Jewish troops, and in 41 cases they were expelled by military force. In 90 other localities, the Palestinians were in a state of panic following the fall of a neighbouring town or village, or for fear of an enemy attack, or because of rumours circulated by the Jewish army – particularly after the 9 April 1948 massacre of 250 inhabitants of Deir Yassin, where the news of the killings swept the country like wildfire.

            By contrast, he found only six cases of departures at the instigation of local Arab authorities.

            “There is no evidence to show that the Arab states and the AHC wanted a mass exodus or issued blanket orders or appeals to the Palestinians to flee their homes (though in certain areas the inhabitants of specific villages were ordered by Arab commanders or the AHC to leave, mainly for strategic reasons).” (“The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem”, p. 129).
            On the contrary, anyone who fled was actually threatened with “severe punishment”.

            As for the broadcasts by Arab radio stations allegedly calling on people to flee, a detailed listening to recordings of their programmes of that period shows that the claims were invented for pure propaganda.

          • Bert_1

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian_exodus

            At the very least, the actual reasons are contentious. No one knows for certain exactly why the Arabs left.

          • jim

            But Its an undeniable fact that they were denied the right of return
            Which is a principle of international law, codified in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, giving any person the right to return to, and re-enter, his or her country of origin.

          • Bert_1

            Like most of your arguments, though, Jim, it is no where near as cut and dried as you portray it to be. Yes, there is the concept of right of return but it does not cover all cases. In the case of the Arabs leaving Israel, there are legal arguments suggesting that it doesn’t apply.

          • jim

            At least you admit that there was an indigenous arab majority in Palestine at the time now!
            But It is not my argument but the assessment of dyed in the wool Zionist and well known Israeli Historian-Benny Morris that the Mass expulsions were in the main carried out forcibly

          • Bert_1

            No, I didn’t. I don’t know what the population demographics looked like for the last thousand or so years there. My understanding is that the group that made up the majority changed back and forth a number of times from the Jews to the Arabs and back. However, there is no doubt that both the Jews and Arabs are indigenous to the region.

            From what I have read, there was little forced expulsion. Apparently – and, no, I don’t know if this is true or not – from what I have read, much of the land that is now Israel was bought by the Jews from the Arabs before Israel was formed and many Arab settlers had to be removed from that land as a part of the sale. True? I have no idea. Like most things in the ME, there is a grain of truth to many things and a lot of misleading stuff.

          • Eagle2758

            The arabs fought with Germany in both world wars.The Ottoman Empire gave the land Israel now occupies to England after WW1. People don’t seem to understand that when you lose a war, you have given up your land. Hitler gave the arabs their own Hanzer SS Divisions in WW2, all made up of muslims. They lost too. Not too hard to figure out, but oh well,eh.

          • jim

            Bert! I have provided a link to the Ottoman and British mandate census demographics and earlier going back to the 2nd century AD
            that show there was an indigenous Arab Majority all the way up to 1948
            numerous times !

            I can only put it down to cognitive dissonance if you insist on clinging to the notion that the bulk of Palestinians are somehow johnny come lately immigrants after the fact
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Palestine

          • Bert_1

            If you stopped to read what I said before trying to attack me, Jim, you would discover that I said pretty much exactly the same thing. The group of people who formed the majority in the area now referred to as “Palestine” has changed many times over the millennia. No one group can claim that they formed the majority for that entire period. But, both Jews and Palestinians can claim that they are indigenous to the region.

            On a side-note, I find it interesting that you bang the “forced Palestinian expulsion” drum pretty hard even in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary but the documents you provide links to show unequivocally that the Jews have been forcibly expelled from the region numerous times during the last few thousand years and you ignore those facts. Further, you capitalize on the fact that the Jews have been displaced from that area numerous times to support your claim that the Arabs have formed a majority in the area many times. It seems to me that if the Jews hadn’t been expelled in the first place, there would have been a solid Jewish majority almost 100% of the time for the last 4,000 years or so.

            Add to that the fact that you are misrepresenting the data from that page (surprise, surprise). If you look at the first table on that page, Sergio DellaPergola shows that from the 1st century to sometime before the end of the 12th century, the area went from a Jewish majority to a Jewish minority with a Christian majority. Since most of the early Christians in that area were Jewish converts, it would follow that, ethnically, the majority of people in that area were solidly Jewish. Arabs don’t even have enough people there to register. So, your claim “earlier going back to the 2nd century AD that show there was an indigenous Arab Majority all the way up to 1948 numerous times” is misleading and even wrong for the first few centuries.

          • jim

            The Israeli historian Benny Morris is about as Hawkish a Zionist as they come-even he admits to the forced mass expulsion of Arabs

            In the opening pages of “The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem”, Benny Morris sing a map that shows the 369 Arab towns and villages in Israel (within its 1949 borders), he lists, area by area, the reasons for the departure of the local population

            In 45 cases he admits that he does not know. The inhabitants of the other 228 localities left under attack by Jewish troops, and in 41 cases they were expelled by military force.

            In 90 other localities, the Palestinians were in a state of panic following the fall of a neighbouring town or village, or for fear of an enemy attack, or because of rumours circulated by the Jewish army – particularly after the 9 April 1948 massacre of 250 inhabitants of Deir Yassin, where the news of the killings swept the country like wildfire.

            By contrast, he found only six cases of departures at the instigation of local Arab authorities.

            “There is no evidence to show that the Arab states and the AHC wanted a mass exodus or issued blanket orders or appeals to the Palestinians to flee their homes (though in certain areas the inhabitants of specific villages were ordered by Arab commanders or the AHC to leave, mainly for strategic reasons).” (“The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem”, p. 129).

            On the contrary, anyone who fled was actually threatened with “severe punishment”. As for the broadcasts by Arab radio stations allegedly calling on people to flee, a detailed listening to recordings of their programmes of that period shows that the claims were invented for pure propaganda.

          • jim

            So you admit that there was an Indigenous majority Arab population in that region at the time !

          • Bert_1

            Where did you get that from?

        • Eagle2758

          Arabs fought with the Germans in both WW1 and WW2. L-O-S-T. The Ottomans sided with the wrong group. Mohamed created Islam to wipe out the Jews and anyone who disagreed with him. Who attacked the Jews and took their land,eh. Romans and muzzies. BTW, the original “Palestinians” were Jews, Pontious Pilate, the one who had Jesus Christ crucified, gave the Jews that name to piss them off. Bet you didn’t know that,eh. Anyway, Hitler gave the muzzies their own Hanzer SS Divisions to Amin Al Husseini, the father of modern jihad, one of the founders of the muzzie brohood, and Arafat’s mentor and teacher. Hmmmmmmm.

    • Eagle2758

      Again, proof?

      • jim

        Your such an idiot-prove to me blue is blue !Lol

        • Eagle2758

          Hmmmmm – I’m retired career military and combat vet of 3 wars with 20+ years, what have you accomplished,eh. I’ve trained with the IDF, seen all this first hand. Tell you what, I have a job for you catching Kassam rockets inside Israel, hero.

          • jim

            That explains a lot -and yet the blinkers remain firmly on!
            The IDF,s use of human sheilds is well documented did you see that also ?

            The phrase Human sheild has been ruthlessly deployed to shield Israel from responsibility for the bloodbath it has caused in Gaza. Israel has killed 2100+ civilians in a matter of weeks, including some 500+ children, but loathsome as they are – it was Hamas that forced them to do it-right!

            the human shields slander is a projection. Israel is the most militarized society on earth, with soldiers and military installations honeycombed throughout its civil society. With full military conscription for all men and women and reserve duty required for all Jews until they reach their 40s, Jewish Israelis alternate constantly between the role of civilian and soldier, blurring the line between the two.

            Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times
            http://www.ynetnews.com/articl

            the Israeli high court found that Israeli soldiers had used Palestinian civilians as human shields 1,200 times over a 5 year period. As Ynet reported at the time:

            “Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz on Tuesday demanded that the High Court review a ruling it issued last Thursday in which it declared that the ‘human shield’ procedure employed by the IDF when detaining Palestinian,s is illegal and violates international law.”

            Israeli soldiers who used Palestinian boy, 9, as a human shield avoid jail
            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/21/israeli-soldiers-human-shield-avoid-jail

          • Eagle2758

            Really don’t wanna be you when the SHTF,eh.

        • Eagle2758

          Oh man, when that SHTF, don’t wanna be you.

  • IT 2 IT 678

    “There’s NOT a single nut job out there that’s NOT being RUN.”
    PRESTON JAMES
    Veteran’s Today

    That includes the ‘on cue’ deployed ‘RA’—dick—ALLLs’
    —————–and ‘TEAR —‘UR’—ists;,

    And ALLLL ‘terror’ is ‘GLOW BULL–ist’ friendly.

    UR, remember, is the land of BABYLON.

    TAKE HEED

  • pawley

    Hamas is a terrorist organization and they will not stop until Israel is destroy. The destruction will not happen. It will be the center and Capital of the New Jerusalam Ruled and reigned by Jesus Christ and all the Christians. The world will be restored and evil will be forever vanquished.

    • CMJO

      The Kingdom of God is a whole lot bigger than Israel, which is something most Christians don’t seem to understand. Jesus never said he would restore Israel. In fact, he didn’t come for political reasons. I don’t know why people get so wrapped up in supporting an evil government because they think Jesus wants them to. Last time I checked, we were supposed to pray against such things. In reality, we should pray against the evil from the Israeli government and Hammas, pray for the safety of the common Palestinian and Israeli, and pray for peace amongst the people. We shouldn’t be contributing to the problem.

      • Phydeux

        Jesus believed in peaceful coexistence. The fact that you call the Israeli government evil shows you’re not interested in peaceful coexistence. So take your extremist propaganda elsewhere.

        Most of the world wants to live in peace, but you would rather those peaceful people die by your sword because you feel your brand of religion is more right than theirs and won’t agree to disagree.

        • CMJO

          The Israeli government is evil….I don’t know what you call the murder of thousands of civilians and the destruction of their homes and lands, but in every culture by ever moral compass, that’s evil.

          • Phydeux

            Israel does not attack unless provoked. And even then they hold back as long as possible.

            So if you feel Israel is evil for attacking, then what do you call Hamas firing first and breaking every cease-fire they’ve ever agreed to?

          • CMJO

            Not true, again. They’ve been provoking and attacking Palestinians for decades. That’s evil. It’s evil to take people’s homes and tell them to leave. It’s evil targeting schools and hospitals. The government of Israel is evil.

          • Phydeux

            Deflect, deflect, deflect.

            Forget about perceived past transgressions. When you agree to a cease-fire you’re agreeing to let past arguments be set aside in hopes of clearing the slate and moving forward in peace.

            I asked you a direct question. Hamas fired rockets first, and Hamas has broken every cease-fire agreed to.

            So what do you call it when Hamas does these things?

            Is it not a provocation after agreeing to letting go of past hostilities?

          • CMJO

            I’m not the one deflecting. I’m facing the issue head on. You are deflecting by trying to call me a Muslim and saying that I’m supporting Hamas when I’m just talking about the actions of the Israeli government…..I guess when you are losing an argument you try to say what you are doing is what your opponent is doing.

          • Phydeux

            What argument am I losing?

            Hamas fires first. Yet you label Israel as evil.
            Hamas breaks cease-fires it agrees to, yet you call Israel evil.
            Hamas’ attacks on Israel forced Israel to build walls to protect itself, yet you blame Israel.
            Hamas stores and fires its rockets from UN chartered schools and hospitals, yet you blame Israel.
            Hamas uses the Palestinians they claim to be fighting for as human shields, yet you deny the truth.

            I’m done arguing with you. The facts have shown Hamas is evil, untrustworthy, and deceitful. And yet you rally to their cause just to spite Israel.

            If you were truly a Christian you would decry the violence caused by Hamas breaking its word. You would decry Hamas firing rockets into civilian areas. You would decry Hamas building tunnels for the express purpose of kidnapping and killing Israeli civilians.

            But rather than take the Christian approach of peace, you support the Hamas approach of violence at all costs against a perceived oppressor rather than any approach involving diplomacy and discussion.

            I’m through debating you. You claim to be Christian, but you show no Christian values in the things you say or support.

            You behave more like a Muslim, which is why I identify you with them.

          • CMJO

            Every argument you’ve made has holes in it. You just post based on what you think and want, not on what has happened in the past and what started all of this.

          • Phydeux

            Nice to see you started replying before you could have possibly read what I said. This shows you’re not truly interested in a debate, only trolling.

          • CMJO

            I did read what you said….but you haven’t read all of what I’ve said, or you would have seen that I’ve condemned violence from both sides several times……You did, however, reply to one of them….so I don’t know if you only read half or what. If you read all of it and continued to attack me like this, you are just like the nasty politicians in Washington….man, that’s a bad group to be put with.

          • CMJO

            Again, I’m done with you, and I feel sorry for you lack of ability to read and your ignorance.

          • jim

            Israeli apologist display all the hallmarks of cognitive dissonance when confronted with undeniable facts about the brutality of the occupation
            The roots of this conflict go back to events that happened decades before Hamas was even spawned
            But then again I would wager there is a good proportion of paid sock puppets shilling for Israel on this forum

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTtoRrHRt3o

          • Eagle2758

            Proof?

          • jim

            You truly are a stupid person-the roots of this conflict go back to the forcible expulsion of 700000+ indigenous Arabs in48 who were Denied right of return as laid down in international law>
            If you do not know that basic historical fact-you are not qualified to comment on this conflict!
            Now I put it to you -where is your Proof to back up what you say -ignoramus !

          • Eagle2758

            I’ve been there, have you hero?

          • jim

            In what capacity were you there ?- war tourism -to take in the misery of Gaza perhaps !
            Like so many Zionist accusations against Palestinian society (“They only understand force,” “They teach their children to hate,” “They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity”) the human shields slander is a projection

            I.E -Within one of Tel Aviv’s most densely populated neighborhoods sits Ha’Kirya, the army’s headquarters, a gigantic complex – that house the offices where attacks on Gaza are planned. The uniformed officers and soldiers who work inside take lunch in the cafes and shop in the malls surrounding their offices, embedding themselves among the civilian population.(Hmmm -now where did I hear a similiar sort of justification for bombing civilian areas-I wonder)

            A military base is nestled in the middle of the campus of Haifa University while Hebrew and Tel Aviv Universities offer military officers free tuition, encouraging their enrollment and allowing them to carry weapons on campus.

            It is hard to find a henhouse, flophouse, or fieldhouse anywhere in Israel without some kind of military presence.
            Loathsome as Hamas is-
            Whats good for the goose is good for the Gander

            Its the civilian populations on both sides that bear the brunt of the carnage.
            However the scale of the slaughter on the Israeli side pales in comparison to the industrial type level of slaughter that has been inflicted on Gaza

            Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times
            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html

            the Israeli high court found that Israeli soldiers had used Palestinian civilians as human shields 1,200 times over a 5 year period. As Ynet reported at the time:

            “Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz on Tuesday demanded that the High Court review a ruling it issued last Thursday in which it declared that the ‘human shield’ procedure employed by the IDF when detaining Palestinian,s is illegal and violates international law.”

          • Eagle2758

            Can’t wait for the revolution can you. When it starts, don’t wanna be you.

          • Eagle2758

            Be sure that assume the correct position when you see that big, hot flash in the sky.

          • CMJO

            By the way, Hamas didn’t fire first…..And I also did condemn what Hamas is doing. I’ve said it several times. Again, can you read? I never once said I supported violence, but have condemned it this whole time. You keep trying to put in my mouth that I support violence. That’s why I’m done talking with you. You are losing the argument and so you try to attack my character rather than the situation. I said pray against both evils in both groups, and you say I want violence. I condemn the murder of innocents on both sides, and you say I want more. You are a very sad person. And your last sentence is the saddest of them all. You are making up what I believe. You are ignoring what I’ve written about praying for both sides and loving your enemies. You are ignoring everything I’ve said about peace and condemning violence to push your own point. It’s the same with the whole situation. You will turn a blind eye to the good people and only say that your side is write.

            The biggest difference between you and me is that I can say there is wrong on both sides. I can say, pray for the protection of BOTH the Israeli civilians and Palestinian civilians. I can say pray against the evil Israeli Government and the evil Hamas. I can say pray for peace. You don’t. You just say to support the continued attacks from the Israeli government, and then you say that I support violence. I feel sorry for you. I really do. (By the way, I’ve said all of those things more then once on these posts.)

          • Eagle2758

            So Israel fires Kassam rockets at itself? Hmmmmmm. Would you like a new job as a Kassam rocket catcher in Israel? That can be arranged.

          • jim

            Wouldnt be as surprising as you think -False flags are indeed the specialty and order of the day for a certain Israeli covert outfit -the attack on the USS Liberty and the Lavon affair come to mind
            The first 5 minutes of this docu on the attack on the USS liberty is the Israelis version of events!
            The rest of the docu however- tells what really happened -as told by survivors of the USS liberty themselves

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFQrsdj7BLs

          • Eagle2758

            I really don’t wanna be you when the SHTF.

          • jim

            You stand in an extreme minority worldwide-virtually the entire peoples of the world condemn the disproportionate carnage and collective punishment of the 1,8 million people of Gaza.
            When the SHTF eventually -the leadership of Israel will find itself in the war crimes docket -charged with crimes against humanity.
            Hopefully the same will be extended to the morally deficient enablers of this extreme ideology also!
            See ya at the Hague sucker !

          • jim

            Israel has a history of telling porkys –
            Jerusalem Post: ” Hamas, proposed a 10-year end to hostilities in return for its conditions being met by Israel, Channel 2 reported Wednesday.. Hamas’s conditions were the release of re-arrested Palestinian prisoners who were let go in the Schalit deal, the opening of Gaza-Israel border crossings in order to allow citizens and goods to pass through, and international supervision of the Gazan seaport in place of the current Israeli blockade.”
            http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/What-are-Hamass-conditions-for-a-cease-fire-363011
            BBC: “Israel’s security cabinet has rejected a week-long Gaza ceasefire proposal put forward by US Secretary of State John Kerry ‘as it stands’.
            http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28494081

          • CMJO

            And I replied to you several times and you just ignore what I say. You say Hamas is disrupting peace. How about when the killing really started? How about back in January when Israel started killing Palestinians? Both sides are at fault, but if you can’t see the root cause of what started it all, then it won’t be fixed.

          • CMJO

            Anyway, I’m done here. I’m not going to have this conversation with someone that already hate Muslims world wide and is completely biased.

          • jim

            500 + children butchered and more than 326,000 Gaza children, according to the latest UN figures, need immediate, specialized psycho-social support after experiencing the deaths of family members, injury or homelessness.-only a moral pygmy would support that sort of collective punishment and call it just !

          • Eagle2758

            Where is your proof,eh.

          • jim

            As of Jul 16th alone – Israeli officials said …and found that the attacks had destroyed 1,255 homes, displacing at least 7,500 people. ..
            http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/15/israelpalestine-unlawful-israeli-airstrikes-kill-civilians
            As of Aug 6th -at least 134 factories destroyed,30,000 workers made redundant-10,000 homes have been completely destroyed, and 30,000 homes partially destroyed among other civilian infrastructure
            http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/destroying-rebuild-disarms.html

            Gaza City, home to 500,000, suffered damage to 20-25% of its housing. Beit Hanoun, with 70% of its housing stock damaged, is considered uninhabitable, with 30,000 residents there in need of accommodation. The only power station in the Strip was knocked out on 29 July, and the infrastructure of power transmission lines and sewage pumps and have been severely damaged, with a major sewage pipe catering to 500,000 badly damaged. Among the infrastructure targeted and destroyed by Israel’s bombing campaign were 220 factories in various industrial zones, including a major carpentry enterprise, construction companies, a major biscuit factory, dairy farms and livestock, a candy manufacturer, the orange groves of Beit Hanoun, Gaza’s largest mosques, and several TV stations. Farms, as a consequence of damage or the presence of unexploded ordnance, are often inaccessible, and the damage to agriculture is estimated at over $200 million. 10 out of 26 hospitals have been closed.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict#On_Gaza_residents

          • Bert_1

            And, of course, none of those structures had any kind of ammo or terrorist hiding in them, right? Give your head a shake, Jim.

          • jim

            Well provide some verifiable documented evidence that is the case Bert(for once)-and may be some one(other than the choir) might actually believe the propaganda you preach !

          • Bert_1

            Check with the UN. They are the ones who published their findings in the schools. Since you refuse to accept anything that Israel reports, that’s the best you are going to get.

          • jim

            Again with the 3 empty schools Bert !
            for the record-I never said I doubted that weapons were found-they had-the point I am making is that the schools had been laying unused and empty for a long while(but I think you know that )
            Surely you can find one documented instance of it happening IN a populated civilian building(that isn’t based on hearsay)
            After all this is one of the main Justifications for what some shamefully call “collateral Damage” and others rightfully call collective punishment -given the scale of the slaughter-a little proof isn’t to much to ask !

          • Bert_1

            What difference does it make if they were closed for the summer or not. They were children’s schools and the terrorists were using them for military purposes. That violates the Geneva Conventions whether the schools were empty or not. And, according to the UN article, the schools were just closed for the summer, not for “a long while”.

          • jim

            So in other words you cant provide even ONE instance of weapons being found in a populated civilian building !
            Considering the collective punishment and the carnage Israel has wrought-on the basis of this canard-its not to much to ask !

            Bert -A UN backed construction authority has said rebuilding Gaza’s battered and neglected housing stock will take at least 20 years

            Shelter Cluster, an international organization which is co-chaired by the UN refugee agency and the Red Cross, says that 17,000 houses were destroyed or severely damaged during the seven week war ( a rather laughable term considering how one sided the carnage was)between Israel and Hamas.

            An additional 5,000 homes still needed work after previous wars, while Gaza with its 1.8 million people squeezed into 5046/km2 of land has a housing deficit of 75,000 houses.

            Thats pretty disproportionate by any standard

          • Bert_1

            Three schools make three instances, Jim. The Geneva Conventions do not differentiate between occupied and unoccupied buildings. It is unlawful to use civilian facilities for military purposes. Doing so makes the civilian facility a military facility regardless of how many people are in it – including zero.

            If it is going to take 20 years to rebuild Gaza then the Palestinian terrorists shouldn’t have started the conflict in the first place.

            What the hell does proportionality have to do with anything, Jim? Keep the lid on those ^&%*$^ terrorists and none of this will happen ever again.

          • jim

            Bert -I cant help but notice your studiously avoiding having to post an actual instance of -the well known “human shield ” canard being documented other than those 3 EMPTY and unused schools (They dont count)probably because you cant find any-but performing mental gymnastics about the what if,s of maybe,s ,school holidays etc just dont cut it-
            After all -it is precisely that “human shield”canard that is being used to rationalize killing all of those thousands of people-a large proportion of which were children!
            The onus is on Israels supporters of proof

          • Bert_1

            I’m not avoiding anything. The fact that you discount the examples of the terrorists using civilian facilities for military purposes that have been provided by the UN – not known to be a friend of Israel, I might add – tells me that it would be a waste of time researching and finding proof of other cases, especially if that proof is from Israeli sources. You are far too blind in your bigotry to see anything that may reflect well on Israel.

          • jim

            Bert!-Why dont you just admit -you can find NO instance of the Human shield canard that is actually documented-The stance you take in trying to legitimize the collective punishment of 1.8 million people and the resultant slaughter of 2100+ people of an essentially defenseless and captive population -Is morally deficient !
            Its a shame your incapable of seeing that !

          • Bert_1

            It’s a shame that you can’t see what is in front of your face. A modern military mete’s out collective punishment on 1.8 million people in a confined area for a month and is only able to kill 2100 people? Give your head a shake, Jim. If Israel was guilty of even half of what you claim they are guilty of, there would be 10’s or 100’s of thousands of dead Palestinians. Easy.

            I know that it is a waste of time but I did a quick search and found these two articles:

            http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/08/07/conclusive-proof-that-hamas-uses-palestinians-as-human-shields/

            http://www.idfblog.com/blog/2014/07/08/hamas-uses-human-shields/

            Yes, I know that you will deny them and I cannot attest to their authenticity but there are plenty of articles out there. You just have to open your eyes and mind.

          • jim

            Those articles are based on hearsay Bert-It does not count as documented evidence (Unlike the IDF,s use of Human shields which is more than well documented
            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html)

            Its a shame cognitive dissonance wont allow you to see that even a state with a leadership as vicious and blood thirsty as Israels-fear the backlash internationally from committing such a cowardly act on an essentially defenseless,imprisoned and occupied people-if they were to level it to the ground-The international repercussions would be grave indeed

            (I am pretty sure the leadership of Israel would love to do just that- if the fear of internationals repercussions were not there
            genocidal statements coming from some its high profile politicians can attest to the desire to do this -http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/knesset-genocide-against.html)

            I expected better or at least more intelligent straw men from you Bert !
            Best remove that hasbara ministry issued -tight fitting(Boater style-I wager) tin foil lined straw hat -and the let the blood flow back to your moral centers and critical faculty’s.

          • Eagle2758

            Don’t fire rockets into Israel. When the SHTF, don’t wanna be you.

          • jim

            I call it 2100+ dead(80% civilians) versus 70+ plus dead with 60 + of them being SOLDIERS

          • Eagle2758

            Where is your proof of the murder of thousands of civilians and destruction of their homes and lands,eh?

          • jim

            Are you really so stupid-just turn on the tv-and you will hear that over 2100+ civilians have been slaughtered in Gaza 500+ of whom are children-the roots of this conflict go back to long before Hamas was spawned-it is only a matter of time before the Israeli leadership finds itself in the war crimes docket !
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im1ywYg2fTc

          • Eagle2758

            Go ahead keep it up, get that Unscheduled Sunrise.

          • jim

            Buffoon -Israel: Gaza Airstrikes Violated Laws of War
            Israeli air attacks in Gaza investigated by Human Rights Watch have been targeting apparent civilian structures and killing civilians in violation of the laws of war. Israel should end unlawful attacks that do not target military objectives and may be intended as collective punishment or broadly to destroy civilian property. Deliberate or reckless attacks violating the laws of war are war crimes, Human Rights Watch
            http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/15/israelpalestine-unlawful-israeli-airstrikes-kill-civilians

          • Eagle2758

            Watch out for that big hot flash in the sky.

          • Eagle2758

            Be sure you grab those ankles just right when you see that big bright flash in the sky.

          • jim

            Israel’s offensive on Gaza has caused over $5 billion of damage to homes and infrastructure in the Strip-Some 10,000 homes have been completely destroyed, and 30,000 homes partially destroyed-they bombed and destroyed El Wafa hospital for the disabled even when the IDF knew there were NO weapons there
            http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/military-destroyed-hospital.html
            Israeli shellfire knocked out the Gaza Strip’s only electrical power plant on July 29, 2014, and worsened the humanitarian crisis for the territory’s 1.7 million people. Damaging or destroying a power plant, even if it also served a military purpose, would be an unlawful disproportionate attack under the laws of war, causing far greater civilian harm than military gain.
            http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/08/10/gaza-widespread-impact-power-plant-attack
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im1ywYg2fTc

          • Eagle2758

            Unscheduled Sunrise.

          • Eagle2758

            Just wait until you see that big bright flash in the sky.

          • Bert_1

            Even by Christian standards, though, Israel does have the right to defend herself.

            As for the civilian deaths, I hope and pray that the Israelis are doing everything the can to minimize civilian casualties but there really is no way for us to know categorically if they are doing that or not. The evidence seems to suggest that they are trying to minimize the death toll. If they weren’t, there would be a whole lot more dead Palestinians.

            Also, if Hamas would stop using civilian facilities for military purposes, I think that the Israelis would stop targeting those facilities. If you think about it, if Hamas uses civilian facilities for military purposes, does that not make those facilities military facilities? If it does, Israel would be in their rights to take out those facilities, even if they are a hospital or a school.

          • jim

            Bert -The evidence suggest no such thing-(in fact it suggest quite the opposite) -You keep brushing it off- but you have still yet to provide ONE verifiable and documented instance of this sort of thing occurring
            after all it is one of the MAIN justifications for collective punishment
            (the 3 EMPTY UN schools do NOT provide a cassus belli for collective punishment-by anyone’s standard)

            There is a deliberate policy of terror at play from Israel-in an effort to make life so miserable and unbearable that the Palestinians will leave of their own accord

            If there wasn’t -then why would the Israelis bomb a hospital for the disabled -even after they had already admitted to knowing there were no weapons hidden inside !
            http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/military-destroyed-hospital.html

            Same goes for the destruction of Gaza,s ONLY power plant
            Damaging or destroying a power plant, even if it also served a military purpose, is an unlawful and disproportionate attack under the laws of war, causing far greater civilian harm than military gain.
            But then again -I think that was the idea- right from the outset.
            Anyone supporting this sort of indiscriminate slaughter on such an industrial scale-really has lost their moral compass!

            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/29/gaza-power-plant-destroyed-israeli-airstrike-100-palestinians-dead

        • CMJO

          Again, saying “my brand of religion”. I live by what Christ teaches. Love your enemies and pray for them. That’s why I said that we should pray for both sides as Christians for peace and pray against the evil government of Israel and against Hamas. Wow.

      • gigi gigi

        God loves the Israeli people, Israel is not just a government, they are Gods people. Romans 11:11 -12 Does this mean that God has rejected his Jewish people forever? Of course not! His purpose was to make his salvation available to the Gentiles, and then the Jews would be jealous and begin to want God’s salvation for themselves. Now if the whole world became rich as a result of God’s offer of salvation, when the Jews stumbled over it and turned it down, think how much greater a blessing the world will share in later on when the Jews, too, come to Christ.

    • jim

      Israel as an apartheid state has no future. Only as a state which embraces the concept of universal human rights, justice and dignity for all who share the same land can it ensure the peace and security of its people. More than any other this is the abiding lesson of history.

  • CMJO

    Just so everyone knows, if you disagree with the violence from Israel and Hamas, you will be attacked by Phydeux. There’s no critical thinking here.

    • Eagle2758

      You fire a rocket at me, you will have a bad day.

      • jim

        You need to read some books on the history of the region!
        Israel as an apartheid state has no future. Only as a state which embraces the concept of universal human rights, justice and dignity for all who share the same land can it ensure the peace and security of its people. More than any other this is the abiding lesson of history.

        • Bert_1

          Finally something we can agree on, Jim. As an apartheid state, Israel has no future. Fortunately, Israel is not an apartheid state so their future is assured.

          • jim

            Bert -why don’t you try actually posting some credible sources for once in a while-perhaps someone will actually take your pontifications seriously then-preaching to the choir – is all you will achieve otherwise.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIKuqjhyTeA

        • Eagle2758

          Been there, done that. You pukes keep screwing with Israel, and they will give you an Unscheduled Sunrise,hero. Ever heard of the Ottoman Empire? The arabs served with the Germans in WW1 and the nazis in WW@, in fact Hitler gave Amin Al Husseni his own hanzer SS Divisions, made of of all muzzies. Google the balkans,hero, look at the genocide there. BTW, Arafat was a student of Amin Al HUsseini. Hmmmmmmm. If pukes like you had any brains, you be frikkin’ dangerous, but we do have a cure for that, especially the Israelis. It’s that Unscheduled Sunrise, hero. Be sure to assume the position when you see that big, bright flash, hero, put your head between your legs and kiss your sorry a$$ goodbye,hero. The world will be better off.

          • jim

            hmmm-another genocidal maniac posing as a righteous dude!
            I would wager the Nazi,s expressed very similar sentiments as you do now -just then it was directed at another creed and ethnicity !
            and I wager these “christian soldiers” are probably kindred spirits to you also-

            Ratko Mladic trial: Slobodan Milosevic and Radovan Karadzic the other high profile war criminals
            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/serbia/9270198/Ratko-Mladic-trial-Slobodan-Milosevic-and-Radovan-Karadzic-the-other-high-profile-war-criminals.html

          • Eagle2758

            anytime,anyplace hero. BTW, where did you serve?

          • jim

            If one is going to serve in the Military -its best if one knows whom they are actually serving first!
            The global powers that be care nothing for which nation,creed ,ethnicity or race one belongs to-they back all sides in a conflict,usually are instrumental in their fomentation -and always come out the winners regardless !
            Most folks are being played -and they don’t even know it!

          • Eagle2758

            I’m a 20 yr career military guy. We make sure we know what is going on. We make sure we will win too, no matter what it takes,hero. You are out of your leagle, stay in Little League where you belong.

          • Eagle2758

            BTW, you better watch wtf you ask for.

          • Eagle2758

            When the SHTF, it’s all out war bro. We ain’t gonna play nice, we’re gonna play for keeps. Got plenty of pigs blood and bacon grease just for the occasion.

        • Eagle2758

          When you see the big hot flash in the sky, make sure you have socks on when you grab those ankles.

  • Pearls to Swine

    Interestingly enough, in Hebrew the word “Hamas” means violent theft and thuggery.
    This word appears in that context all throughout the book of psalms.

  • Bert_1

    Only to the uneducated.

    • jim

      Bert you keep spouting opinion -and can provide no verifiable sources for your claims-your words lack any credibility
      Stooping to calling Jewish holocaust survivors that do not agree with you or support the collective punishment of 1.8 million people- as being uneducated- says a lot about you!

      • Bert_1

        Sure I can: google.

  • Eagle2758

    For those who want to defend Hamas and blame Israel – Arabs fought with the Germans in both WW1 and WW2, and L-O-S-T. The Ottomans
    sided with the wrong group. Mohamed created Islam to wipe out the Jews
    and anyone who disagreed with him. Who attacked the Jews and took their
    land,eh. Romans and muzzies. BTW, the original “Palestinians” were Jews,
    Pontious Pilate, the one who had Jesus Christ crucified, gave the Jews
    that name to piss them off. Bet you didn’t know that,eh. Anyway, Hitler
    gave the muzzies their own Hanzer SS Divisions to Amin Al Husseini, the
    father of modern jihad, one of the founders of the muzzie brohood, and
    Arafat’s mentor and teacher. Hmmmmmmm.

    • РОССИЯ

      Actually,Arabs fought with the British and the US against the German and the Ottoman (Turkey is a muslim country but not an arab country). Watch the movie “Lawrence of Arabia” if you want to have an idea about the history of the Nazi’s collaborators were everywhere, including some Jews.

      • Eagle2758

        yeah, I’ve seen it a few times. And the land Israel now has was taken by the Brits after WW1, cause they L-O-S-T. It was given to the Jews after WW2. Again, that land has been going back and forth between the muzzies and Jews for centuries, the Romans also held when Jesus Christ was crucified by Pontious Pilate. who gave the original Palestinians, who were Jews (Pilate gave the Jews the name “palestinians” to humuliate them and piss them off.). Anyway, Amin Al Husseni, who was the father of modern jihad, the founder of the muzzie brohood, AND a mentor Yassar Arafat, the world’s original terrorist, besides his teacher, was given a couple of Hanzer SS Divisions by Hitler himself, they were all muzzie, and committed atrocities that even amazed the Nazis. That’s why we have nukes and that’s why the IDF has them, because I have trained with them, and you can take this to the bank, they will never let that $hit happen again. Wanna test them and find out,eh.

      • Eagle2758

        BTW, George Soros is Jew and he turned in his family and friends to the Nazis, who in turn executed his family and friends and Georgie took all of their possessions for himself. Too bad he never got his, but there is a very special place in Hell for that MF.

    • jim

      Wheres your Historical facts eh !Proof ,sources,Historical works,etc-just saying its so -does not make it so! Post the links(revisionist unsubstantiated sites based on hearsay dont count)
      anybody can pluck fantasy out of thin air and declare them as fact
      Lets see what some Real Jews have to say about Israel

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awCOSRg-gks

      • Eagle2758

        Yeah Komrade, we have some surprises for you. You can count on that.

  • РОССИЯ

    Can the blaze use an accurate map of Israel (with the israeli colonies) ?
    Thanks.

    • Pearls to Swine

      I prefer this map of Israel from the League of Nations:

      • jim

        Even the Balfour Declaration can not legitimize a state that practices Apartheid Mr Swine!
        In fact it expressly prohibits it-,
        ” it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country”

        • oopso42

          Jim, God disagrees with your position. Subtract 333 from 2,300 and see the date you get? Then read Daniel 8 and see a promise given and a promise kept.

          • Pearls to Swine

            Not only Gd, but the majority of the civilized world disagrees with his position regarding apartheid. But he doesn’t post to have an honest debate to come to the truth of the matter. He posts only so that he can present his propaganda and engage in political sophistry.

          • jim

            Dream on Mr Swine-(swine by name and swine by nature -no doubt)the majority of the planet condemns Israels racist policy’s -its only a matter of time before Israels leadership is hauled up in the war crimes docket !

            Gaza: how international law could work to punish war crimes
            The security council will be vetoed,(by a US govt chock full of Dual national Israelis that populate US high office) but when Palestine is a state there’s another route to justice
            http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/01/gaza-international-law-war-crimes-security-council

          • oopso42

            Yes, I have been watching him bear false witness against Israel arguing over lines drawn in the sands by men. He needed to know a higher authority is at work with a approvable truth older than us?

          • Pearls to Swine

            You are right in pointing that out. But that fact is that although the granting of the land of Israel to the Jewish people by Gd is an indisputable fact for those who believe in the Truth of the Bible. Nevertheless, it is very important to realize that in addition to that Israel also has historical and legal rights to that land so that whether one believes or does not believe in the Bible, Israel has Truth on its side.

          • oopso42

            This goes beyond Belief. Did you do the math and check out Daniel 8?

          • Pearls to Swine

            I am familiar with Daniel. However 1948 would be more interesting than 1967.

          • oopso42

            If you understand the event driven algorithm that answer comes in Daniel 9. Daniel 8 is the key to understanding Daniel 9 with its point to point promise. May this be of some help?

          • jim

            It goes beyond belief that you believe such Lunacy
            Hard to figure if your a follower of nutcase,s like “Hagee”-or perhaps the westboro baptist church is more to your taste?
            Btw Does “Hagee” favor the holy “Gord ” over the holy “Shoe” or is he an equal opportunity fruitcake ?

          • oopso42

            Jim, you live in such a one dimensional world. You do not understand there is a higher authority than are selves because you haven’t done the math. We are trapped in time we can move in only one direction forward never back up or down left or right. We move from point to point in our lives measured by events. In Daniel 8 over 2 millennia ago He gave us two events points in time a promise that had not yet become history. He also gave us a unit of measure between the points demonstrating He is not subject to time proving his existence and His ownership?

          • jim

            Hmmm-you sound like something out of “the life of brian”
            “Follow the holy gord -no no follow the holy shoe!”Lol

          • oopso42

            Jim, you do not understand. I noticed you didn’t show any Hamas justice photos of them executing suspected spies of men, women and children. Better known as social justice? In your liberal passion you don’t seek out the truth just your feelings. If you do the math, check out the two single points of history given you may observe Him keeping a promise if you really want the truth. I am not talking religion but sharing an observation that anyone can make.

          • jim

            And you just can not see that taking peoples homes and land forcibly at gunpoint and herding them into open air prisons -and then later bombing that same prison with a disproportionate use of huge amounts of aerial and ground ordinance is tantamount to a war crime –
            And all because some tribal God told them to-is as Immoral as it gets-supporting it is even more morally defunct !
            Btw which are you a follower of – the holy “Gord” or the holy “Shoe” ?

          • oopso42

            Jim, were is your complaint over Russia taking Ukrainian land? You place more value on land than Life as Hamas conducts their witch trials? But Israel using du proses by law on the land is evil? What about ISIS or ISIL taking land will you complain when they drive out the PLO/ Hamas? There is a higher authority you just have to do the math!

          • jim

            You really are deluded Mr Swine-the majority of the world is most definitely not on the side of a state that practices apartheid and collective punishment-
            Even the remaining Jewish victims of the holocaust are in the main against Israels apartheid policy and have spoken out about the collective punishment being inflicted on Gaza.And there voice matters being as its partly in their name and suffering Israel carries out its crimes !
            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/holocaust-survivors-and-their-descendants-accuse-israel-of-genocide-9687994.html
            It figures that the bulk of the Zionist leadership who setup the Israeli state were vicious fascists themselves-and rarely if ever experienced any of the horrors of WW2 and the persecution of the Jews in Europe!
            These Zionists went on to do the same to the indigenous Arabs of the region-as was done to their brethren in Europe without hesitation

            in fact the Zionists of the WW2 era- actively campaigned to block the path of fleeing Jews to anywhere but Palestine in an effort to force Jewish migration to this settler colonial outpost.

            Holocaust survivors and their descendants accuse Israel of ‘genocide’
            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/holocaust-survivors-and-their-descendants-accuse-israel-of-genocide-9687994.html

            Holocaust survivors condemn Israel for ‘Gaza massacre,’ call for boycott
            http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.612072

            Holocaust survivors: No killing in Gaza in my name
            http://www.dw.de/holocaust-survivor-no-killing-in-gaza-in-my-name/a-17878641

            Holocaust survivors pen open letter condemning Israel’s Gaza war
            http://rt.com/news/182472-israel-holocaust-gaza-war/

          • Bert_1

            “You really are delude Mr Swine-the majority of the world is most definitely not on the side of a state that practices apartheid and collective punishment-”

            You are quite right, Jim. The majority of the world supports Israel.

          • Pearls to Swine

            Jihad Jim desperately trying to evoke a response from me.​ But your posts aren’t worth responding to. Most people on this site recognize you for what you are, a Jihad loving Troll who spends all his waking hours scouring the Glen Beck site for posts to spew your hatred upon.
            You’re pathetic. Get a life.

          • jim

            Mr Swine -How is posting articles,videos and reports from mostly well know MSM sources considered being hateful?
            Why not just admit that the data,is to much for you to counter in any meaning full way with credible sources of your own(I have yet to see any)

            Even what remains of the survivors of the Jewish holocaust are invariably against the collective punishment being carried out in Gaza!
            They know what it is like to be persecuted ,locked up and vilified and recognize the injustice being carried out by the Israeli state and rightfully condemn it !
            (there voice matters being as its partly in their name and suffering that the Israeli state carries out its crimes !)

            Holocaust survivors and their descendants accuse Israel of ‘genocide’
            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/holocaust-survivors-and-their-descendants-accuse-israel-of-genocide-9687994.html
            http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.612072

            Btw were you also the recipient of a tight fitting hasbara ministry issued tin foil lined straw hat ?
            Which type did you choose ?

            Hmmm-Swine by name -Swine by nature so I guess a “pork pie” type hat may be in order!

          • jim

            BWAAAHAHAHA -majority -where in micronesia !!!

  • nabil

    And we all can overlook the fact that more pol die from heart atacks than falling a victim to those rockets don’t get me started the ones u should call terrorists are the ones vomiting mass murder gains unarmed pol and some how one of the best equipped army’s in the world can’t stop an primal gang
    I just want to say I’m not siding with hams they’re a gang and making massive amount of money of this war but Israel can end it all in less than couple of hours but Israel needs hams more than anything to keep ducking more money from the us
    LOL

  • jim

    A lot of Pro Israel people equate opposing Israels policy of collective punishment in Gaza as somehow being supportive of Hamas and its agenda-that is not the case of course and could not be further from the truth(it is either that or it is a willful misrepresentation on their part)

    Most folks problem with Israel and who oppose the recent round of collective punishment inflicted on Gazas population of 1.8 million- is not with Judaism or a denial of an Israeli state per se-it is with Israels decades long brutal occupation of a dispossessed and imprisoned people and the apartheid nature of the state that troubles so many!

    I personally(and many others) favor a bi national one state solution with equal rights for all!
    The Israeli leadership unfortunately has other ideas!

  • oopso42

    Still haven’t done the math have you
    Jim?

  • Equis

    You imbecile, have no idea what you are talking about and your statement only solidifies your ignorance.

    • jim

      Care to clarify exactly which statement that would be ?
      Or are you just another war crime supporting pro collective punishment “dude” that provides nothing but un-sourced,unsubstantiated and un-verifiable info also !!!
      (Religious mumbo-jumbo does not qualify ,especially of the “Hagee” variety)