Filling in for Glenn on radio Wednesday, Buck Sexton exposed new plans of ISIS to initiate chaos in South Asia with the goal of drawing the U.S. into the conflict, ultimately leading to an apocalyptic ending. According to a recently translated document shared by Sara Carter of the American Media institute, part of this plan involves provoking a nuclear war between Pakistan and India to start a “chain reaction” across the Middle East.
“If ISIS can take control of Pakistan and, for example, its nuclear arsenal, this is sort of the nightmare scenario,” Buck said. “You can see how quickly those two countries spin out of control. While the Obama administration is sitting around trying to tell us that they have things well in hand and it’s going to be fine. Our enemies are mobilizing and they are executing on a strategy that they tell us about. They’ve made very clear to us time and again.”
With guest Sara Carter on the phone, Buck delved into some of the ramifications if such a plan were to be carried out. Watch a clip of the interview here:
Below is a rush transcription of this segment, it may contain errors:
BUCK: Islamic State recruitment document seeks to provoke end of world. This is the piece in USA Today. Let me just give you a little excerpt from it.
An apparent Islamic State recruitment document found in Pakistan’s lawless tribal lands reveals that the extremist group has grand ambitions of building a new terrorist army in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and triggering a war in India to provoke an Armageddon-like “end of the world.” The 32-page Urdu-language document obtained by American Media Institute (AMI) and reviewed by USA TODAY details a plot to attack U.S. soldiers as they withdraw from Afghanistan and target American diplomats and Pakistani officials. AMI obtained the document from a Pakistani citizen.
All right. We have the author of this piece, Sara Carter. She’s of the American Media Institute. She’s an investigative journalist and a friend of mine. Sara, thank you very much for calling in.
SARA: So glad to be with you here with you Buck. Thank you.
BUCK: Sara, this piece is really astonishing. Tell us how this all came together.
SARA: You know, I’ve been traveling in and out of the region since 2008, and I’ve been able to build up a lot of sourcing. And, as you know, these sources have got to be protected. They have to be protected. Their security and safety is of the utmost concern. So I can’t go into the details of how this document was given to me, but all I can say is that the document is relatively new. It is written in Urdu, which is significant because according to US intelligence as well as European intelligence and other officials who have had the opportunity to review the document, it signals that the Islamic State is making inroads inside South Asia and able to garner high-level and educated officials on their team. So that’s why this document is so significant. Also, it lays out their battle plan for the region. And it’s something that lawmakers should be paying very close attention to.
BUCK: Yeah, there’s been the expansion, relatively recent expansion, Sara, of al-Qaeda into South Asia. That they now have a branch that is al-Qaeda in South Asia. They’re trying to accomplish that. There’s also the ISIS affiliated expansion in the Afghanistan Pakistan corridor. When you read through this document though, it seems like they’ve really thought out the next steps here. Explain to us a little bit of the strategy. They’ll attack US troops as they’re drawing down on Afghanistan. They’ll hope to create instability and chaos there. I would assume assert some level of control and then push into Pakistan. And from there, attack into India. Walk us through the sort of blueprint from the document about what the strategy is.
SARA: Well, it appears that their strategy and part of their recruitment is going after those within the Taliban that are now willing to break ranks with the Taliban and join their side. In the document, it says and it warns, that preparation for Ghazi Ihan (sp) are in full swing and soon the Ummah will hear the tidings of victory on that front as well.
What they’re talking about here and Mustafa Samdani is the Urdu translator that helped me translate this 32-page very detailed document. They’re referring to an attack in prophecy. Now, it’s prophesied there will be a great war or an attack– some kind of movement in South Asia– before the final battle, which is where this Armageddon-like battle, will occur. So in order for the leader of the Islamic State, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, to move forward with this great battle against the West, he first has to create or start some type of battle within the South Asia region, particularly in India. That attack in India will instigate, and, as you know, both nations, India and Pakistan, both Indian nations, the instability there will be untold. It really will force the West to choose sides. And it will really spread us thin. We’re already spread thin. We still have troops in Afghanistan on the ground training. We have Islamic State on the rise in Syria and Iraq throughout North Africa. So this is highly significant that this battle plan was — was discovered early on. And I think this is the reason why this leaked. This information leaked to me.
I also have some breaking news for you. I’m waiting right now to find out mullah Omar. (?) that he may have been killed. He’s leader of the Afghan Taliban. Right now, a source of mine is awaiting — I’m awaiting comment from the Taliban. But they are saying, now, this is according to sources I have in the region that mullah Omar was suffering from hypertension and (?) diabetes, and he had suffered severe kidney problems for the last four years. This has not been reported yet. It’s not out in the media. As far as whether he’s alive or dead, I’m still waiting for the statement from the Taliban spokesmen on that.
So they’re — what they’re saying right now is that he has been suffering from hypertension and diabetes for the last four years. And this led to kidney problems. So we still don’t know yet whether or not mullah Omar is alive or dead. Obviously, we do know is that he’s been very ill over the last four years. I think that’s significant. Because it shows there’s been a breakdown in the Afghan Taliban. We’ve seen a breakdown with the TPP. (?) so we have a wide faction looking for leadership and ISIS — Islamic State is certainly filling that void. This is a cause for concern among US intelligence. Officials. As well as others who are operating in this region.
BUCK: I have to say, based on all the false reports we tend to see or reports that turn out to be premature, inaccurate or however you want to describe it about other senior leaders, Sara, the smart money is always on, no, he’s still alive. We’ll see if that’s the case with mullah Omar. How many times was Osama bin Laden. Dead. Well, czar herey is still alive. We’ll have to see on that. (?) the information is health. It’s not out in the media. That’s also of high interest. Because if — he’s been a figure that’s sort of uniting the Taliban for a long time to his banner. When someone like that goes away, there’s a high likelihood of factional infighting. As we know there are these other jihadist entities that are trying to pull (?) that would be interesting I think from the perspective of ISIS recruitment at a minimum.
I also want to pull back to the strategy and the strategy outlined in the document. It seems to line up with some of the Hadiths, Sara, that are well-known about the area of Khorasan and that the black flags will come from the east led by mighty men with long hair and beards, their their surnames are taken from their hometowns. Their first name is Acunia. If you see coming from Khorasan, go to them immediately, even if you must crawl over ice, because among them is the Calif, Al-Mahdi. This is all ends of time theology. Interesting to me, this ties into what’s already known about jihadist lore and legacy. But also, the idea that they’re going after South Asia specifically shows they have an understanding of where the real seams are. Jihadists hate polytheists, which is how they refer to Hindus. Even though it has a massive Muslim population, as a Hindu majority state, it would be something that the world would be completely unprepared for if they were able to start this war in Pakistan. Which has already been something that the jihadist groups have discussed in the past and thought about. It seems like this is going to focus energies of the Islamic State on exactly that, igniting wars between India and Pakistan.
SARA: Absolutely. You hit it right on the nose, Buck. I mean, this is — this is a strategy that is so incredible because while everybody is focused on Iraq and Syria, while all of our focus has shifted towards that region of the world, they are planning, al-Baghdadi is planning an attack in India. And imagine what this would do to all of the plans. To everything that the US and other European officials and intelligence officials and governments have been trying to do to quell the growth of the Islamic State. It would solidify. It would solidify their presence in South Asia and recruitment would go up extraordinarily, according to the sources that I’ve spoken to. I mean, this is — what Bruce Rydell (SP) calls in my story, (?) the holy grail for south — you know, for south Asia and jihadists in the region. If the Islamic State is able to conduct such an attack, such a massive attack that it would throw South Asia into war, it would really tumble across the entire planet. So, yes, it certainly affects our national security. The document — and you’ve brought up some very, very good points here. The Hadith that deal with the end times. The prophecies in the Koran about the end times. This is what al-Baghdadi is centered on. This is his expertise. The document explicitly states that. That was not in my story. But it is in the document. I will be writing about that in the upcoming days. But this is where al-Baghdadi focuses all his attention. And, in fact, in one area of the document, it talks about how he’s an expert at inciting violence. He understands that this type of violence, these gruesome, gruesome, brutal atrocities that are being committed all serve a purpose. And they all serve a purpose in the end. Not only to strike fear into our hearts and the hearts of the people that they are ruling over, but it’s to lead towards this apocalyptic ending. This shift in world power. It’s a little different than Christianity. Because if you think of Christianity, we think about an Armageddon. Christians believe that an Armageddon will come to this end of the world where Jesus will return. While in the mind of Baghdad, according to the document and according to those I spoke to, it’s not that same kind of end times. What he wants to see is the caliphate rule the world. And that the West will be submissive. (?)
BUCK: The end of the world as we know it. Not the end of the temporal human world. It’s the end of the world where the Islamic State or the caliphate isn’t in control of every last bit of territory.
BUCK: Sara, also the possibility of the sectarian in the Indian skub continent. (?) India and Pakistan are separated because of sectarianism. Pakistan was founded as a Muslim nationalistic experiment. (?) if they can exploit the fissures in Syria, we’ll see what we see in Iraq, but on a much larger scale with a billion people on the subcontinent and nuclear weapons pointed at each other. (?) it’s a terrifying strategy. From their perspective, it’s very devious. It’s something we should pay attention to.
Sara, your piece is great. It’s in USA Today. Sara Carter. Islamic State Recruitment Document Seeks to Provoke End of the World. Sara Carter, the American Media Institute, thank you very much for joining.
SARA: Hey, thank you, Buck, for having me on. And if you want to keep up with my stories, @SaraCarterDC, you can follow me on Twitter.