Presidential hopeful Evan McMullin joined The Glenn Beck Program on Wednesday to discuss, among other things, the recent robocalls made in Utah by a self-described white supremacist. According to the Deseret News, William Daniel Johnson urged Utahns to vote for Donald Trump and said that "Evan is over 40 years old and is not married and doesn’t even have a girlfriend. I believe Evan is a closet homosexual."
Adding to the embarrassingly tawdry 2016 presidential campaign, McMullin has since had to address the issue of his sexuality. For the record, he's straight, not that it matters.
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"You know, it's truly unfortunate. Donald Trump's campaign of bigotry have brought these people out of the cage. Just a month ago, they held a big press conference in downtown Washington, D.C., that never would have happened in the last couple of days, but now they feel empowered," McMullin said.
In a video of the meeting, available on YouTube, the white supremacists voiced their disagreement with the ideas of liberty, and that all men and women are created equal.
"Many white nationalists are also neo-Nazis. Nazis are national socialists. So, of course, they don't agree with freedom and choice," Glenn said.
McMullin also discussed the problem with Putin supporting white nationalists across Europe.
"He does that to attack the principles on which these these democracies are based, the idea of equality and liberty," McMullin said.
Read below or watch the clip for answers to these questions:
• Since when do we listen to white nationalists?
• Is McMullin part of the Mormon Mafia?
• What is McMullin's biggest ambition in life?
• What is the largest intelligence success in modern times?
• If Hillary Clinton wins, will World War III start?
Below is a rush transcript of this segment, it might contain errors:
GLENN: Presidential hopeful Evan McMullin who is neck-and-neck with Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in Utah. Welcome to the program, Evan.
EVAN: Great to be with you, Glenn.
GLENN: Good. A white nationalist, which we'll get to in a second, came out and said something. But I first noticed this coming from a state senator and a former bishop saying, "Hey, look, all I can tell you is -- you know, this guy, he's been in the CIA, he's worked for Goldman Sachs, and he's a 40-year-old man who doesn't date. I'm just saying."
(chuckling)
GLENN: How did that make you feel -- I expect it from the white nationalist. How did that make you feel?
EVAN: Yeah. Well, I can't say, Glenn, that it's a surprise candidly. I mean, this is the kind of campaign that Donald Trump has run. And many of his supporters have joined in that approach. In the past -- in the past week -- in the past few days especially, I found that my faith has been attacked. My service to this country has been attacked. My mother has been attacked. They're spreading lies about who I am. And even now we're receiving death threats from the white supremacist movement.
But you know, I knew this would come. I knew this would happen.
PAT: Wow.
EVAN: I knew -- I knew there would be opposition. But we will not be intimidated.
GLENN: I will tell you, Evan -- Evan, I will tell you this -- first of all, I'm sorry for the attacks on your mom. I don't know what anyone would have you do.
PAT: Terrible.
GLENN: Apparently --
PAT: I guess you're supposed to disavow her?
GLENN: Disavow your mom or something. I don't know if you were to punch her in the stomach or what you were supposed to do.
EVAN: Yeah. Right, yeah, exactly.
GLENN: Yeah. Our heartfelt thoughts and prayers go out to your mother.
EVAN: Thank you, Glenn.
GLENN: I will tell you this, Evan, that when I just endorsed Ted Cruz, I knew politics was ugly. I knew what -- you know, what was possible. But there's a difference between knowing that and experiencing that. I will --
EVAN: That's right.
GLENN: I will never get near that cesspool ever again. Ever again. So you can't tell me that you knew this was going to happen. There is a difference.
EVAN: Well, I knew that I would be attacked. I knew that my service would be under attack.
PAT: Uh-huh.
EVAN: I knew that people would attack me on all fronts. I knew that would happen. I think you're not prepared for it until you -- you experience it and you about it through it. So I understand your point there. But, look, I saw that Donald Trump attacked Ted Cruz's wife and his father. This is the kind of campaign they run. Other surrogates and supporters of Donald Trump are -- are attacking my faith. Calling me -- saying that I'm part of a Mormon Mafia. We've had fun with that online.
GLENN: Which, by the way, has been a very popular -- at least in my neighborhood. The Mormon Mafia showed up at my house for trick-or-treat a couple of times.
STU: Did they?
GLENN: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I had to ask what they were. They were all dressed in black with, like, fedoras. And I said, "What are you?" And they're like, "The Mormon Mafia."
(laughter)
EVAN: Did you get a picture of that, Glenn?
GLENN: I don't think I did, but I can ask Tania. She might have.
EVAN: Yeah, let's try -- let's get one. That would be a lot of fun.
GLENN: Yeah.
EVAN: But, yeah, you know, we're all having fun with it. But in a more serious way -- I mean, this is an attack, and there have been other attacks on my faith and -- on my -- my personal faith, but then on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which is the -- the church I belong to, as a part of what we're doing and a part of Donald's opposition to us.
But, look, I wear it all as a badge of honor, you know. That robo-call said that I was gay. I'm not. I'm straight. I've never had to defend that about myself before. You know, the man who did the robo-call was on a local radio station in Utah yesterday and gave me the advice that I should get married and have children.
And I said, "Well, at least that's something we can agree upon because that's -- that's my biggest ambition in life."
But, you know, going after my mother -- they point out that my mother --
GLENN: Wait. Wait. Hang on just a second. Before we get into your mom.
EVAN: Yeah. Yeah.
GLENN: Was this a credible radio station that had the white nationalist on?
EVAN: Yes, actually it was. It was.
GLENN: Okay. Can I ask a question? Because I saw this white nationalist on a network, a cable news network, and I don't want to say which one because I don't remember which one it was on.
EVAN: Yeah.
GLENN: Since when do we listen to white nationalists and their advice?
EVAN: Right.
GLENN: Since when?
EVAN: Yeah.
GLENN: Were they presented in a credible way?
EVAN: Halfway credible. When you have them on at all, I think it helps lend credibility to them and their cause.
JEFFY: Yes, it does.
EVAN: You know, it's truly unfortunate. Donald Trump's campaign of bigotry have brought these people out of the cage. And now they're -- just a month ago, they held a big press conference in downtown Washington, DC, that never would have happened in the last couple of days. But now they feel empowered.
And you know what they said, Glenn? You got to watch this tape. You can find it on YouTube. I can send it to you. They talk a lot about how they don't agree with the idea that all men and women are created equal. That much we know, but you know what they went on to say, Glenn? They went on to say that they also didn't support the idea of liberty, the cause of liberty. And that was a huge wake-up call for me.
I am I was already in this fight when it happened. I was already in the race. But when I realized -- of course, if you don't agree that all men and women are created equal, then it follows that you're probably not for liberty. But they said it. They made a case that -- yeah.
GLENN: Many white nationalists are also neo-Nazis. Nazis are national socialists. So, of course, they don't agree with freedom --
EVAN: Yes, that's right.
GLENN: -- and choice. They're national socialists.
EVAN: That's -- that's right. But they're saying this openly and in a way that I hadn't seen it before. We know they're fascist. We get all that. But they made a case to talk specifically about liberty. And we do not accept liberty. So, yes -- but these are people who are supporting Donald Trump. And he is -- his campaign is -- is fueled in part, not entirely -- let's be clear about that. And not everybody who supports Donald Trump agrees with these guys, but these guys form a large part of his support. And this is what we're up against, Glenn. And this is what we're fighting for.
And it's fitting and it's -- it's right that there would be this opposition. And I'm proud that this is the opposition we're facing, because it means that we're fighting for the right thing.
STU: I think we've learned a lot, by the way, of -- in this campaign from having the white nationalists finally be open and honest about their opinions.
GLENN: Yes, it is good.
STU: I'm fine hearing from them. In reality, if you don't hear from them, they hide and do these things in private.
GLENN: I don't mind exposing them. I do mind taking them seriously.
STU: Oh, yeah.
GLENN: I didn't hear the interview on whatever station. I did see it on one of the cable stations. And it may not have even been him. It may have been somebody else. But they were not talking about his white nationalism. They were talking about Evan. And I'm like --
EVAN: Right.
GLENN: -- how are we -- wait. Let's talk about the guy burying the message here. Doesn't that bother anybody?
EVAN: Right.
GLENN: Yesterday, we talked to somebody who -- you know, my vote is coming down to a couple of people. You're one of them. Darrell Castle is another one. And yesterday, I asked him a few questions about Russia. And I believe Russia is deeply involved with the --
EVAN: Oh, yeah.
GLENN: -- white nationalists and with this -- this Neo-Eurasian kind of philosophy.
EVAN: Yeah, right.
GLENN: Are you familiar with that at all, Evan?
EVAN: Yes. Glenn, this is what -- this is what Vladimir Putin does in Europe. He promotes these white nationalist groups, and then he -- and then he finds leaders of them and then promotes those leaders. And he does that -- and this is -- Glenn, you know, this is just so fundamentally important.
He does that to attack the principles on which these -- on which these democracies are based, the idea of equality and liberty. He wants to attack those because Vladimir Putin is smart enough to know this -- that the United States, the power of the United States and the power of some of our European -- many of our European allies ultimately comes from these ideals. You know, we have differences between the way we look at the role of government and all of that between our European allies here and all that. We know that. But Vladimir Putin wants to undermine the cause of liberty and equality in these countries because he knows that if he does that, he will weaken those countries, weaken the United States.
Our -- so much of our power, Glenn, comes from the fact -- from this cause of liberty. Countries around the world want to work with us, cooperate with us, be led by us, when necessary. And that is an enormous source of power. And it keeps authoritarians -- expansionists, authoritarians like Vladimir Putin in check.
Now, if he undermines our values, then he undermines that goodwill, then our power recedes, and then he has a freer hand to do more of what he does, what he's doing in Syria, what he's doing in Ukraine, what he's doing in western Europe, by undermining their democracies by promoting these white nationalist movements. He's doing that right here in the United States. And it's tragic that he's the Republican -- Donald Trump, his man, Vladimir Putin's man is the nominee of a major party. It's perhaps the largest intelligence success in modern times that Russia has had.
GLENN: I agree.
EVAN: I assure you in the Kremlin, they're just wildly excited about. The success they're having.
GLENN: Excited. Evan, I'm going to ask you -- in advance, I'm going to warn the audience, this is an extremely unfair question because I don't know anyone honestly that can answer this question yes. But if there's anybody that might, it might be you. And bonus points if you can.
EVAN: Okay.
GLENN: Can you explain Neo-Eurasianism? Do you know what that is?
EVAN: Well, I -- I actually -- I have not heard that term. You mentioned that. Is that -- is that something that you're coining, or is that something that you're --
GLENN: No, that's something that Dugin and Putin's people have coined. I wondered --
EVAN: Yeah.
GLENN: You sound like you're aware of it, you just may not be aware of the term.
EVAN: The term, yes.
GLENN: Because it's something that I don't think anybody is aware of. And it is the root of what's happening with -- with Putin. And you sound -- the only reason why I asked you is because you sound like you get it. And I don't know if you knew it by that name or if you just instinctively have been watching Russia and know what's going on.
PAT: You probably would have had to read Aleksandr Dugin's book, Evan. We don't think we'd expect you to have read that at any point --
EVAN: Yeah. I don't know if there's a lot of time reading Dugin's work.
PAT: No.
GLENN: That's fine. That's fine.
EVAN: But, yes, this is what he's doing. Yeah.
GLENN: Because we're seeing people that are dismissing Russia. And it is so clear they're interfering with our politics. And especially Donald Trump supporters, 48 percent say that he -- that Putin is a friend of the United States.
EVAN: Yeah. Yeah.
GLENN: And on the other side, we have Hillary Clinton who we're being told is going to start, you know, World War III with Putin.
EVAN: Right. Right.
GLENN: How do we deal with this? You're president of the United States, what do you do?
EVAN: Well, first of all, that is absolutely bogus, the idea that if we elect Hillary Clinton, it's going to start World War III. Now, if we elect Hillary Clinton, it's going to do enormous damage to our country, period. But the same is true with her fellow big government liberal, Donald Trump.
But this is -- Putin is trying to scare the American people. He's trying to influence the election in a number of ways. It's RT America. You know, the Russian cable network here in the United States.
GLENN: Yeah, yeah.
EVAN: You know, that is something they sow seeds of skepticism in our democratic institutions.
It's very -- its purpose is to undermine our faith in our system, in our democracy. And, look, our democracy is not perfect. We're blessed to have it. It is not perfect. We can all admit that and still be proud Americans. We can make improvements to it.
But we are so fortunate to have what we have. And, yes, let's improve it. Let's make it better as we go, in accordance with the Constitution.
But, you know, they're trying to sow seeds of skepticism in the system so that Americans let go of -- of -- of foundational American principles. And so that weakens our country in the way that I described earlier.
And it's the hacking. It's all this other -- all these other things. The promotion of the white supremacist movement. All of this.
GLENN: Okay. I only have one minute. Stu has a question.
STU: Yeah, I'm a numbers guy.
EVAN: Yeah.
STU: And we've seen a lot of numbers being thrown around here. So I want to -- give me your number answer on this. We have Hillary Clinton proposing a $275 billion infrastructure stimulus. We have Donald Trump proposing a $1 trillion infrastructure stimulus. What is the Evan McMullin stimulus number?
EVAN: Well, Stu, I may disappoint you on this one, but I think we're asking the wrong question. The reason why this question is so hard to answer is because we don't have the money. The reason we don't have the money is because we refuse to reform entitlements. That's what we need to be talking about. We need to reform entitlements so we can bring down our deficits and our debt. And then we have more money to spend on things that are important. Infrastructure is important. We do need to spend money on that. Right now, we don't have it. And that's why --
GLENN: We spend money on infrastructure or spend money on a stimulus.
EVAN: On -- well, on infrastructure.
GLENN: Okay.
EVAN: Yeah, on infrastructure.
GLENN: Okay.
EVAN: But this is the problem, where we keep talking about infrastructure, and we're avoiding -- the real problem is entitlements. That's what -- we need to fix that, then we have the finances to do other things we need to do. But right now, we are not reforming entitlements. They're 66 percent of the budget. In ten years, they'll be 78 percent of the budget, if you include interest payments on our debt. We've got to get those under control. And then things like infrastructure aren't such a big deal.
GLENN: Evan, our best to you. And good luck. If we don't speak again until the election or after the election, good luck to you. Thank you for being a decent human being, and our best to your mother and your family. God bless.
EVAN: Thanks, Glenn. Thank you so much, Glenn. Thanks, Stu. Thank you --
GLENN: All right. Here's our sponsor this half-hour. You notice he didn't thank Pat or Jeffy.
PAT: I noticed that.
STU: No one's going to thank Jeffy, but I think he was in the middle of thanking Pat at the end.
Featured Image: Former CIA agent Evan McMullin announces his presidential campaign as an Independent candidate on August 10, 2016 in Salt Lake City, Utah. (Photo by George Frey/Getty Images)
