GLENNFebruary 24, 2017

Want to Help Stop Sex Trafficking in Thailand? Here's Your Chance

Bangkok remains a lightning rod for sex trafficking with one of the most active networks for selling and buying children. Tim Ballard with Operation Underground Railroad (OUR) likened the ease of buying a child for sex with ordering Chinese food from a menu.

"You walk down the street, you're going to see window displays of half nude women and minors dancing. If you go into the places . . . you're going to see a stage with minors and adults mixed," Ballard explained about an upcoming trip he'll be taking to that very spot with Glenn.

"You're going to see westerners everywhere. You're going to see people, they're going to come up to you with a laminated menu like they're selling Chinese food. Would you like number one, two or four, and you're going to see on the laminated menu sex acts."

Glenn's response was visceral.

"Oh, my god. Why do they not shut this down?" he asked.

Ballard is trying to do just that in partnership with the government of Thailand --- but he needs help.

"We're looking for somebody that we desperately need," Ballard appealed.

OUR is currently looking to hire someone with experience in undercover work, child exploitation and digital forensic, preferably a former undercover operator from the government who is perhaps retired. The cherry on top would be someone who speaks Thai.

"It's kind of a long list, but we need someone over there . . . the Thai government wants it. They want us to provide someone who can provide guidance. They would work as an informant, signed up and certified by the Thai police."

Interested parties may contact OUR online.

GLENN: Welcome to the program. Tim Ballard is with us. Tim is an author, multibooks. One of them is the Covenant, which was the first book that I was introduced to you with, which talks about the covenant that this -- that George Washington made at the time of our founding. Cover this real quick.

TIM: Yeah, he believed that there was a power. He tapped into the power of ancient Israel. I mean, he believed that the ancient Israelites have created something, a society with god, and it brought miracles and created a foundation of liberty. He utilized that, got the office to make those same covenants, got the army to make those same covenants, and the theory goes that that's how we won, earned independence.

GLENN: Right.

So we were in Haiti a couple of months ago, Pat was with us. And it is evil. I mean, there is something very dark in Haiti that you just -- your heartbreaks for the people that are there. I mean, look at Haiti. It's always destroyed over and over and over again. I understand weather patterns and everything else. But they have been from the beginning, they were a slave station, and then they had a revolution. And I found out this time when I was there -- and this is kind of hearsay -- they teach this in Haiti, don't they?

TIM: Oh, they teach it. It's part of their culture. Part of the society.

GLENN: So at the time, we were making the American covenant, Haiti made the Haitian covenant, but it's the exact opposite.

TIM: Yeah.

GLENN: Do you know the story?

TIM: They teach the political leaders got together and made a pact with the dark side. I mean, they teach -- this is not me talking. It's what they're telling me. They believe it. It's taught. It's believed and so many good people there are trying to get out from under this.

GLENN: And this is really where voodoo and everything else comes from; right?

PAT: That's creepy.

TIM: Totally. There's voodooism in there and there's a lot of darkness around that.

GLENN: Right. And the slaves, they killed -- wasn't Haiti French?

TIM: Right the -- it's a great story. I mean, it's the only country that gained its independence through a slave revolution. They rose up. The same year I believe our bill of rights.

GLENN: Yeah, 1791.

TIM: 1791. They rose up and pushed the French up. The French then moved over to New Orleans. That's how we got all of that voodoo in New Orleans from that revolution because that's where they ran away. And then they never fully got all of the slave mentality.

GLENN: Yeah, they just started enslaving each other.

TIM: Until today, it's still going on.

GLENN: It's absolutely crazy. And I don't know. I mean, Tim and I were just talking about this while we were over there, and I would love to find a scholar on Haiti that really knows to find out if there's truth to that. You know, a lot of people will dismiss that, but people dismiss that the American covenant.

TIM: Of course.

GLENN: I absolutely believe in the American covenant. What's the rabbi's name that wrote the book on the covenant the harbinger. Have you ever read that?

TIM: Yeah. I actually introduced it to Jonathan, our books came out at the same time.

PAT: So have you heard of it?

GLENN: Tim, let me tell you something about the harbinger.

STU: Let me tell you about something called operation rescue. It's incredible.

GLENN: Okay. Smart guy. So we're getting ready in just a couple of hours to get onto a plane and spend 20 hours on a plane to get to Bangkok.

TIM: Yes.

GLENN: But you're not taking me to the nice places in Bangkok.

TIM: Oh, no.

PAT: Are there nice places in Bangkok?

GLENN: It's supposedly beautiful.

TIM: The city's beautiful. Yeah.

GLENN: You're taking me to a place in Bangkok -- can you say the name?

TIM: I'm not going to say the name we're taking you.

GLENN: So we're going some place that has been described -- not only by you, but several other people not with the organization who say there is no place on earth or in hell that is quite as bad as this.

TIM: True. This is true.

GLENN: Explain.

TIM: We're going to take you to a place, that I think I described earlier today. It's a small world ride add Disneyland but imagine as all those kids are -- this is horrible. But they're being sold for sex. You walk down the street, you're going to see window displays of half nude women and minors dancing. If you go into the places, and I don't know -- guide me how far you want to go.

GLENN: I want to see it. I want to see it all.

TIM: You're going to see a stage with minors and adults mixed.

GLENN: And they're selling them.

TIM: They're selling them. It's like an auction block. There's a Russian sector, a Japanese sector, an Arab sector.

GLENN: That is for who is being bought or who is buying?

TIM: It's for who is being sold.

GLENN: So the Russian. This is a Russian boy.

TIM: Right.

GLENN: This is an Arab boy.

TIM: What do you want? A Russian boy on Friday? And we'll show you the Arab boy you can take. And it's mostly westerners. You're going to see westerners everywhere. You're going to see people, they're going to come up to you with a laminated menu like they're selling Chinese food. Would you like number one, two, or four, and you're going to see on the laminated menu sex acts, and they're going to try to entice you --

GLENN: Oh, my god. Why do they not shut this down?

PAT: Yeah.

TIM: Thailand thrives -- its economy thrives on this tourist industry. But they are serious about getting into the underbelly of this, which is the child part of it. And we have met -- we worked very hard to vet out who we can work with and the government. We have found some amazing people. We just built a digital forensic lab.

GLENN: We're cutting the ribbon on that, are we not?

TIM: Yes, absolutely.

GLENN: So explain what this is. We have a job for somebody. Everybody says, oh, I wish I could help. I'm going to give you two ways that you can help. And one is really getting into it. But you have to have special qualifications.

TIM: Yes.

GLENN: So explain that.

TIM: So we just built together with some U.S. agencies a state-of-the-art digital forensic lab, which you can't -- see, all of these kids are being sold online. They're being sold on escort sites, sold on places the only way you can preserve and identify and grab the evidence is through forensic tools. And it's this beautiful lab that they can now go in and find these guys. What happens is westerners come over, Americans come over, they get online, they know where to go, and they get introduced into these networks. So if they don't have a lab to be able to intercept these dark deals going on on the dark net and other places.

GLENN: This is on dark net?

TIM: A lot of it is on dark net. Absolutely. But we've given them the tools so that they can intervene in the deals.

GLENN: So to keep it clean to make sure it's good and to oversee it, you're looking for who?

TIM: We're looking for somebody that we desperately need. Somebody who has -- preferably former undercover operator from the government who is perhaps retired, has a lot of experience in -- not only undercover work but child exploitation, digital forensic if possible. And preferably speaks Thai. So it's kind of a long list, but we need someone over there that the Thai government wants it. They want us to provide someone who can provide guidance. They could work as -- they would work as an informant signed up and certified by the Thai police.

GLENN: Now, here's the challenge, audience. When he said this, he said to me we so desperately need it, and I said come on our show. We'll talk about it. You'll have somebody by the end of the week.

He didn't tell me he had to also speak Thai. I mean, I can't --

TIM: That's a cherry on top. That's not a requirement.

GLENN: We are looking for somebody who really has not only the experience but the soul of steel because honestly, you know, I don't know how you do it. I don't know how -- how many times before you had the perspective of anything I'm going through is nothing compared to the kids? How many times a week or a day did you think I can't do this another second?

TIM: All the time. There's -- I was thinking about that as you were talking earlier. I remember times -- especially in the beginning where I would see an image -- I see my kids faces in all the kids that we see. I can't see it. I used to hate it. I now appreciate it because it keeps my heart fully in the game. But there were times when I would literally get in my car, leave work, drive to my kids school, check my kids out, take them home, and just put my arms around them and hug them and not let them leave me. I mean, that's -- that was a lot in the beginning times and the beginning part of my career. But I appreciate that. I appreciate that I see my kids faces. We all should. Because there are kids that they don't have -- if any child that has no parent --

GLENN: What is suicide rate among your colleagues in the world? I mean, what is the drinking rate? There has got to be a number of people who do not have faith like you do that just can't take the daily beating.

TIM: They don't usually allow someone to stay in that work for more than a couple years before they rotate them out. There's a required psychological evaluation that we have to go through and my guys go through -- we have a psychologist who's volunteer but resident psychologist who regularly checks up on us. It's devastating. You're in hell. I mean, you have to go in hell to pull these kids out.

GLENN: So if you really want to make a difference, you would have to relocate to Thailand.

TIM: Yes.

GLENN: But you would be working at this state-of-the-art digital lab. I've heard a lot of people say Glenn, you can't work with the Thai government. And they've said that about the Haiti government and everything else. You are very careful on who you're working with. You know this game because you've seen it from the governmental side.

TIM: Absolutely. We've taken months and months to make sure we're working with the right people in the government and that we are working with the --

GLENN: And, Pat, when we were in Haiti, talk about the guy that we saw at dinner that came in and the -- that guy, I don't know how that guy doesn't get killed at some point in his life. Do you remember him, Pat?

PAT: Which one.

GLENN: The guy who came in, and he had just arrested the president's bodyguard for abuse of children and put him in prison and then the president, the old president said, no, I pardon him. Let him out. And this guy went back and rearrested him.

PAT: Yeah.

TIM: Yeah.

PAT: The courage of that guy.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

PAT: Just really amazing.

GLENN: I mean, there are some of these guys that are really dedicated.

TIM: What happened with that guy, he was the detective on the first rescue we did. You know, how they -- a lot of Haitian traffickers set up these fake orphanages where people bring in the kids, and they sell them. And he helped us liberate 28 children. The very first operation, we got 28 kids out, and you met a lot of them. That -- he was a detective at the time. He just became a chief of the child crimes unit for Haiti and one of his first calls was to us and said, guys, I'm in charge now. Get down here. Let's operate. That's what led to the Super Bowl rescue.

GLENN: We're going to talk about that here in a second. And I want to tell you something really, really -- and I think really exciting and something you want to get involved with. Operation underground railroad. It's OurRescue.org. You can get involved a million different ways from giving $5 a month to being on a prayer team. Go to OurRescue.org. Back in just a second.

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GLENN: I said to Tim, I don't remember where we were, and I think he thought I was joking or would like it if I was joking, but I wasn't. I think the time will come that you there -- somewhere in the world, there will be a statute built of Tim Ballard.

TIM: You promised with me you would never share that thought.

JEFFY: I believe it.

STU: That is Glenn Beck. He will tell you that off the air and then on the air, it doesn't count.

GLENN: Because I have a bad memory, and I don't remember things like that.

PAT: And because he wants to say it.

STU: He wants to say it. That's a good reason not to make the promise; right? If you can't remember not to say it later.

GLENN: So I want to say this blanket for anybody in my life that doesn't already know this, I mean, there's a reason I have very few friends.

STU: Right.

PAT: Yes.

STU: I'm kind of interested in this trip. Because you've got Glenn Beck going to Bangkok while you're doing slums.

GLENN: The slums of bang cock.

STU: You're doing this amazing work to try to rescue these children, and you're saying that this area is loaded with westerners. I mean, Glenn, people -- wouldn't you think that someone might recognize him. This is not the time to come up for an autograph, by the way.

TIM: Yeah, we were talking to Glenn's security earlier. How do we prevent -- before we get the message out with the headlines and tabloids Glenn Beck caught in brothel. Pictures. And I thought, oh, my gosh what if that happens?

GLENN: Jeez. I never thought of it that way.

TIM: You can use it to your advantage later, though. Because once you come up with the truth --

GLENN: The press would never report the truth. They would never report the truth. Glenn Beck caught buying 6-year-old boys. I never even thought of that.

PAT: Yeah, that could be bad.

GLENN: I just thought of the westerners. I heard Glenn, you need to do some things. And I thought somebody might recognize me, and it could queer what we were trying to do.

JEFFY: Are you taking three or four planes? I don't know if you've ever traveled with Glenn before, but he doesn't necessarily travel light.

GLENN: So here's the thing. So --

STU: You want to go there. Look, he's doing actual work there.

GLENN: I'm doing actual work too.

STU: You want to tell these stories and see -- I mean, because it's one thing to talk about this in the abstract. It's another thing to actually be there and --

JEFFY: No kidding.

GLENN: See your life going to Haiti? Yeah, changes your life to see this. And this something I really want to -- I really want to talk about. Let me ask you this question, and I ask this of everybody of the floor crew.

If we went back in time, and it was, you know, 1860, and we were fighting against slavery, it is 1840, and you find out about slavery, how many of us say we would definitely be an abolitionist, and we would stand against it?

STU: Absolutely.

GLENN: Absolutely. Raise your hand if that's right. Everybody in the room would say I'm an abolitionist. I think that's bull crap.

STU: Yeah, because of the pressures of the time.

GLENN: Pressures of the time. It's easy to overlook it. It's easy to say oh, you know. And people --

JEFFY: They're fine.

GLENN: I met somebody yesterday that was on the television show with me who sat in the front row, didn't know what the show was about, it was about this, and he said I can't thank you enough for doing this show today. I'm here. And every time you guys talk about this, I turned the TV channel because I don't want to see any of the pictures. I don't want to see any of it. And I'm forced now to sit here and watch it. I couldn't walk out from the studio. And couldn't ask you guys to talk about something else, so I've looked at it, and he said life changing. What am I doing? What am I doing?

And I think most of us wouldn't be doing anything because there are more slaves today than all of the slave trade from the beginning of the western slave trade to the end, all of those combined. It's only a fraction of those who are actually enslaved today.

STU: That's one of those stats that you hear and don't believe.

GLENN: Do you have the numbers? Do you have the actual numbers? Or anywhere close to the numbers?

TIM: Yeah, the estimates are around 30 million -- that's conservative.

STU: Yep.

TIM: 30 million people.

GLENN: Today.

TIM: Alive right now. Are in slavery.

STU: And there was something like 15 million in the -- slave trade from the 1500s to the 1880s.

GLENN: Right.

STU: That's incredible.

GLENN: That's spread out over hundreds of years, and we're double the number today.

PAT: Yeah.

GLENN: So what is it we're doing about it? OurRescue.org.

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GLENN: I'm leaving the studio and heading to Bangkok, and I will be back Monday afternoon, so I'll be back on the air Tuesday. 40 hours in the air, less than 30 hours on the ground and hope to bring back some stories, not of the vice but of the virtue. The things that are really happening, that are a bright light, and we are concentrating on this over the world because we're all connected to this. And in Bangkok, we are one of the main sources of the buyers. I mean, we are --

PAT: We as Americans; right?

GLENN: As Americans.

PAT: Uh-huh.

GLENN: It is -- I've only seen the stats. I have not experienced it myself. But looking at the stats, America and the west, we ship all of our dirtbags over there. They're all taking dirt bag vacations, and I don't know how you stop that. I mean, other than drying up the source. But we -- I can't even imagine what people in Bangkok think of American men because it's so grotesque what happens over there.

TIM: Well, you arrest enough of them, and you start creating a deterrent.

GLENN: Well, what was it? Columbia?

TIM: Yeah, in Columbia we did about three or four operations, big ones. Got the media, and we went back a month later after that and no one would sell kids. They wouldn't even talk about it, referencing all of these Americans keep getting arrested. And I was an undercover operator in Columbia, and we walked around the corner, and he was crying. He said Tim, this is worked. We shut it down, at least for a time. We have to keep hitting it. Keep hitting it. And empowering law enforcement until a deterrent is laid.

GLENN: I'm telling you, this changes lives, and this is something that all of us can agree on. I'm taking Samantha, she was supposed to come to Bangkok with me, Samantha B. She couldn't because of scheduling at the last minute. But she has said definitely I'm coming to Uganda, where we're going to find these devil worshipers and free these children from being human sacrifices. But this is something that we considering on and come together. This -- being an abolitionist will heal our wounds. It will heal our wounds and heal our country. I'm convinced of it. We just have to get the word out. And every time anybody gets involved at the smallest level, all of a sudden they want -- for instance, the guy who -- and I don't want to say anything about him. I don't want to say what agency he came from or anything else. But he gave up a gigantic gig.

TIM: Huge gig.

GLENN: Huge gig. And walked away from it and said "I think I have a skill to be able to help find the bad guys."

And he is -- he's one of the nicest, most prayerful guys you can imagine, and we were just in Haiti. Your team could not find the big kahuna, if you will. He said let me go, he took a plane, flew over, within what? Two hours?

TIM: Yep within two hours, he found the...

GLENN: Kingpin.

TIM: The kingpin of the whole thing. How he operates, he sent the police of the nightclub, we sent three teams in. We couldn't find it. This guy says let me try. He goes outside, says a prayer with his small team. And he walks in. And he's like it's like Finding Dory. Just keep swimming. And the lord literally guides him to the right person who then introduces him to the other person. He might have to go a mile down the street to the house with the red door and boom.

GLENN: He's most unlikely. You would meet this guy.

PAT: I didn't realize he completely walked away from his business?

TIM: Pretty much the whole thing.

GLENN: Okay. Enough.

PAT: Amazing.

GLENN: Yeah, he's an amazing man. He's going with us.

TIM: He'll be there.

GLENN: Yeah. One thing because we're getting ready to go on a plane, you've got to go as well. But I want to leave with this. I look at my life differently than I have. I believe we're living in a time in history where scholars like Tim who wrote about George Washington and the covenant, those scholars are going to be looking back at these times. And we're going to be studied either because we made it or because we failed. This is the moment of truth for the United States. We're either going to make it, or we're not. This is the pivot point. And scholars will study for generations what did the people do?

We're going to be remembered horribly on things like abortion. Horribly. It's only a matter of time before science just proves all of these lies that it's not really a baby. Completely untrue.

Slavery. To be so entertained with the things that were entertained and to argue about the things we're arguing about now, think of that and then think of 35 million slaves and children as young -- literally. You've pulled them out at 2 years old.

TIM: Absolutely.

GLENN: People having sex with a 2-year-old. What are we doing? People say every time they're involved a little bit, I want to go. I want to help. I want to do.

I don't. I really don't want to see the bad stuff. I don't want to go on a bus. I don't want to be a part of any of that. I want to be part of the good stuff, of the healing afterwards. But I really don't even have the skill to do anything there, but I have my resources that I can apply to this, my talent. There are people who have no talent to help in this regard. They may not have any money to help in this regard. But there are different ways and Tim has just posted them on the website. They're up now?

TIM: Yeah, they are.

GLENN: At our rescue. Different ways for you to get involved. As simple as I want to be on the prayer team. I want to pray when things will going down, I want to be on my knees and just praying for the teams.

So simple things like that all the way to working in Bangkok. We're looking -- is that job going to be posted up on the website? Or how do they find out?

TIM: We're going to start with this.

GLENN: Okay.

TIM: And see what happens.

GLENN: Okay. And, again, you need to be somebody who has worked in this industry for an agency.

TIM: Yes.

GLENN: Have some experience, hopefully computer experience.

TIM: And undercover operations.

GLENN: Undercover operations.

TIM: And then they would go to OurRescue.org and send an e-mail and say I heard it on Glenn Beck, here's what I want. Here's my rÈsumÈ. We'll be waiting.

GLENN: They do use retired Special Forces, but that's not -- you can't just call up and say, hey, I want to go on a mission. Here's what they really need. $5. Literally $5. Almost everyone that they have freed and are -- we not only take them and free them, the most important part is they're put into a safe house and sometimes they're kept until they're 18, until they are out of trouble, and they have schooling, they have a family, if you will, and they are deprogrammed from all of this stuff. $5 a month. You can go to OurRescue.org and just sign up and say I want to do $5. You can do more. But $5 has Abraham Lincoln's face on it.

It's one thing to say I want to give $500. Okay. Great. But why not give $10 a month for the next year? Give $5. Give 25. Give 100. Almost everyone has been rescued from donations less than $40; is that right.

TIM: Yeah, that's right.

GLENN: Most of everybody in this audience. I would imagine that this audience is the main funder for our rescue?

TIM: Oh, yeah. Yes.

GLENN: And I know this -- he won't say this, but I know this because I've talked to people around him that are trying to get this story out. This is such a hard thing to talk about that, you know, CNN, fox, while they'll cover things, they do not want to cover it because they know it's impossible. I'm not talking about their heart. I'm talking about ratings. They know this is a kiss of death to, hey, let's come on the morning show, and let's talk about sex slavery. Nobody wants to talk about it.

This is the moment of abolition. This is the moment where we can actually change the world and come together. I'm asking if you will go to OurRescue.org and donate and become a monthly supporter of rescue -- of our rescue and operation underground railroad. OurRescue.org. Tim, I will see you in a little while at the airplane.

TIM: Yes, we will.

GLENN: As we go to Bangkok.

TIM: Excellent.

GLENN: Thank you, sir.

TIM: Thank you.

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President Trump and others have posted in support of a proposed Charlie Kirk Act. But Glenn Beck gives a warning: there are 2 versions of this going around. One, proposed by Sen. Mike Lee, would stop the government from using propaganda against Americans. The other would go further, giving the government dangerous powers over truth. Glenn Beck explains the differences as well as what the Smith-Mundt Act was and why an Obama-era decision may be connected to the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

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GLENN: Okay. I want you to just spend a couple of minutes with me, and switch everything that you've been thinking on, off for a minute. This is very important. I want to take you back to the world in 1948, okay?

The ashes of World War II are still warm. The Cold War is already beginning to chill in the air, and the Soviet Union has a propaganda machine that is in full swing.

Radio Moscow, Pravda, endless streams of anti-American stories are pouring into the homes of men and women, all across the globe.

And Congress looked at this. And said, we need a counterbalance on this.

America needs to tell her story to the world about liberty and about her finding ideals.

And we need to tell it to the rest of the world.

This is the birth of the Smith-Mundt Act. Okay? We needed to launch things, at that time. Like the Voice of America, and radio-free Europe, and Radio Liberty.

These were not just radio stations. For many who were behind the curtain, these were lifelines.

A Polish dissident in the 1970s or a Hungarian who lived through the 1956 uprising, they'll tell you, they're huddled in the dark, and they have that dial of that radio.

And they can tune it. They carefully tune it, listening to an American voice break through the static and break through the darkness. That says, freedom is real. And the world hasn't forgotten you. They remember that as being very important.

But and here is the key: We, as a society, drew a very bright red line, none of this could ever be used in the United States. Congress rightfully was terrified of unleashing a government propaganda machine on its own citizens. Now, I want you to remember. 1948, Congress is still Democrat.

Okay?

You just had 20 years of the same president, FDR.

They're about to say, no president can serve that long.

The Democrats said, no Democrat president. No Republican president can ever serve that long. Because we were so close to fascism.

So the Democrats are very concerned about the government going fascistic.

And they should know about it. Because they remembered the control commission.

Now, let me take you back to World War I. The Creel Commission is something that nobody remembers, and everyone should.

Because it's what whipped America up in a frenzy, to get us to go into World War I.

You know it, because you remember the I want you Uncle Sam poster. And I've always hated that Uncle Sam poster because of the Creel Commission. I love it. I think it's really beautiful. It was created by an artist, that he didn't create it for the Creel Commission. So, you know, he was innocent. But it was the Creel machine that plastered it on every wall, every post office, every train station.

And suddenly Uncle Sam's finger was pointing at you. It wasn't just a poster. It was a summons. It was you. We need you to go to war. Americans did not want to go to World War I. In fact, Woodrow Wilson said, the other side, he will put you into war. I will keep I out of war. He knew that wasn't true.

Within three months after his reelection, we're at war. But he had to bring the country along. So the Creel Commission, through films and songs, films like the Kaiser, the Beast of Berlin, it turned the -- it turned Germany into a cartoon villain. George Cohan, he wrote songs, over there. Over there.

All of these things were done by the government, as propaganda to get Americans to go over there.

And fight. Then the government went even further. And they started hiring these, what were called Four Minute Men.

Now, imagine this, you're sitting in a movie theater.

The film. You're watching maybe the -- the newsreel. And as they're changing the reels, some guy who just in the audience, stands up, walks to the front. Clears his throat. And he delivers this really well-thought out and rousing four minute speech about patriotism. And liberty.

And crushing Germany.

The government had 75,000 volunteers. They gave millions of speeches, when anybody would pause in churches and schools. In parks.

In theaters. They were called Four Minute Men.

This was social media before social media. They were short bursts. And they seemingly were everywhere, and always on message.

Because the message was crafted by the government. Then the Creel group, through our government, published booklets, official bulletins. They planted stories in the press. This is when we really started really getting into the press, and information was -- had one goal. All of the information. And that was rallies for the -- rally support for the war, and drown out anybody that was disagreeing with that. Okay?

The government actually encouraged kids to spy on their neighbors.

That you were encouraged and post -- post men did this.

To go through the mail, if they saw -- if they saw letters that were coming in. Ask they wanted to know, who it was. And are you a German spy. Are you somebody who is going to be against the war?

Postal workers went through your mail. And it was legal at the time!

You were encouraged, operators were encouraged to listen to people's phone calls, and to report if they were on the other side.

This is Germany.

In fact, because of the Creel Commission, Germans, and what's his name?

The head of the German propaganda, oh, what's his name? The German douche bag. I can't remember his name. Anyway, what was his name?

STU: Goebbels, is that who you're talking about?

GLENN: Goebbels.

STU: Although, I like your name for it, frankly.

GLENN: Yeah. Goebbels, the douche bag.

Anyway, he said, we lost World War I because of American propaganda. But we learned how Americans did it.

And that's what Goebbels did in World War II. All of this propaganda. Okay?

By the way, American advertising, up until World War II, it was called propaganda.

What I heard, I wouldn't have said, now a message from our advertiser.

I was delivering literally and it was cool at the time, to call it propaganda.

Because that's what it was. Paid for propaganda.

Bit after Goebbels took it. And did what he did with it. We were like, oh, propaganda is bad!

Okay?

So here's what -- here's what happened because of the Creel Commission. They were pushing uniformity of thought. They did that by making sure Americans were hearing the same slogans. The same images. The same stories from every direction. Which created the illusion of unanimous consent. I want you to think about life today.

I want you to think about life during COVID.

What was the goal of the government.

To crush any dissent, and to control all of the messages that were going out, to make sure that you were hearing the same slogans, the same images. The same stories from every direction, to give you the illusion that it was unanimous consent.

What about the global warming? It's exactly the same.

Then on top of it, the Creel Commission demonized dissent. Okay? German Americans were part of this country forever.

In fact, we were I think two votes away from making German our official language, as the United States, not English. But they were all of a sudden, branded as traitors.

You couldn't -- a priest went to jail, because he gave the last rites to a German who fell down in front of him on the streets and was dying. And a priest spoke German and gave him the last rites in German. That priest went to jail! Okay??

Okay? So they demonized dissent. Then they suppressed free speech. The propaganda campaign dovetailed with the Espionage Act of 1917. The Sedition Act of 1918. If you criticized the draft, if you questioned the war, you could be fined. You would be ostracized, and you would go to jail.

This is Woodrow Wilson, gang. Does any of it sound familiar?

Now, here's what the aftermath was, after the war. When the war ended, the mask came off. Millions were dead, and Americans felt absolutely duped. They felt that they were tricked into going into a war that they were manipulated into. They didn't even understand it. And that's why we were such isolationists, in the 1920s and our 1930s, because our own government had manipulated the population to go in to fight this war, and they felt so manipulated and so betrayed by their own government. They were like, I don't want anything to do with foreign wars, okay?

So why did this -- why did this happen in 1948?

Well, because in 1948, all of this stuff is happening, and we're saying, okay. We need to have some sort of -- some sort of boundary.

Because we're going to start all of this propaganda, for the United States. And it cannot be ever turned on the people of the United States. Okay?

So then why -- why was it repealed?

It was repealed without any really kind of conversation. Because it was slipped in, called the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act.

It was slipped in to a defense authorization bill. Just like it's happening right now, the government didn't pay its bills.

They couldn't come up with the -- with a way to actually fund everything. Because we have to act as an emergency, otherwise all of our war machine. And it's all going to stop. And the world is going to die. And panic and all of that.

;And so somebody has slipped the bill in. And we modernized it.

Why did we modernize?

Well, because don't you like transparency?

I mean, we're doing this overseas. We're doing this propaganda overseas. Do you know -- taxpayer. You're paying for it. Shouldn't you see it?

There was a Congressman Max Thornberry. He was one of the sponsors. And he said, quote, today the law prevents the American people from seeing or hearing the same things we broadcast overseas, and that doesn't make any sense.

We paid for it. Okay. Then they switched that from transparency to, and it's helping fight terrorism. It will let the Department of Defense and the State Department share counter radicalization material both abroad and at home, because we have to modernize this. The internet is everywhere, okay?
So who doesn't want to fight terrorists? Who doesn't want transparency?

Now, here's what actually happened. I'll tell you in 60 seconds. First, Stu.

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GLENN: So in 2012, the left decides, we have to get rid of this propaganda thing.

Okay?

Once the firewall was gone, and it's just a blip, no one even really noticed it. Suddenly, the government agencies could circulate diplomacy campaigns, inside of the United States.

And we saw this. This is where you get your USAID. The NGOs. Doing all the things here in the United States.

Because they can all do it. During COVID, you saw this.

You saw government-funded messaging, quietly merging with the media campaigns and big tech content moderation. Narratives weren't debated. They were handed out by the government. And then they were enforced. Then take the DHS disinformation governance board.

This is a direct descendent from this shift. Okay?

It was the government openly declaring it had a role in policing speech at home.

Look at the 2016 aftermath of the elections. Reports now confirm that the US government funds originally intended for overseas information campaigns that had filtered into domestic projects that fact-checked, flagged, and suppressed certain narratives online. The line between foreign propaganda and domestic persuasion was completely gone. Everything they worried about in 1948, was now happening after 2012. Okay. So why am I bringing this up today?

Because after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, we have been asking for this to be reinstated.

This Smith-Mundt Act has to be reinstated. But after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, there is a new wave of enthusiasm for this as there should be.

But some people on our side, are now demanding more than just a firewall.

You go to change.org. And there's petitions for a Charlie Kirk act.

And it will not only stop government propaganda. But it goes further than that. It starts to punish private media. Educators. Social media platforms. For spreading what they call false narratives. So this is -- this is our side saying, yeah, well, now we want the power to do what they did. Okay? Hear me clearly.

Accountability matters! Lives are destroyed, reputations are smeared. And that matters.

But we have systems in place for that.

What this proposal opens is a new door. A terror where government decides, what is and isn't falsehood.

And the government cannot do that. History teaches us. Once the government claims the authority to define truth.

Liberty is gone. Okay?

Now, enter Mike Lee.

Mike Lee has another proposal. Mike Lee has a version. That he is submitting to Congress. And trying to get it passed. And every American should be for this.

Right or left.

Every American should be for this. He's not going to reinvent the wheel. He just wants the old firewall put back. That's it.

Period.

The government must not, and cannot propagandize its own people. Restore the very bright red line that was attacked in 1948.

It's not about silencing speech. It's about preventing the most powerful institution on earth, with the endless resources of that institution, the government.

And the endless reach, from turning its firehose of influence in on the American people.

This is why it matters. I want you to think of -- I want you to think of football.

Oh, boy. Dangerous.

You wouldn't let the referee this a football game, put on a jersey, and join one of the teams. Okay?

But that's what the repeal did. It let the government be both the referee and the player in the arena of ideas. Mike Lee is saying, put the stripes back on their jerseys. Make sure they're in black and white stripes. So we know exactly who they are!

Change.org and some people on our side want to make the ref not only a player, but the judge, the jury, and the executioner. It cannot happen.

This is -- I'm telling you, if this goes through, Mike Lee is proposing something that is clean. Doesn't have any of this in.

So support the Mike Lee Mundt Act. But if you're hearing people talk about, we have to go further, that is the Patriot Act of our day. We're standing at a fork in the road.

Reinstating the Smith-Mundt protections. They're not going to solve all the problems of misinformation, but it reestablishes the ground rules. And tells Washington, you cannot propagandize us, period.
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New York DROPS key charge against CEO killer. Here’s why.

A New York judge has dismissed state terrorism and first-degree murder charges against the man who killed UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. Should the charge have been kept? Why is the state only pursuing second-degree murder charges? And will he avoid the death penalty? Former Chief Assistant US Attorney Andrew McCarthy joins Glenn Beck to explain what’s really to blame for these decisions.

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GLENN: We have a good friend, Andy McCarthy who is a Nashville review contributing editor. He's also a former chief assistant US attorney, and a guy who when he speaks, I almost always agree with him. And when I don't, I'm probably wrong. Especially when it comes to things like this, because this was his expertise. He was a former chief assistant US attorney. And he worked on terror most of his career. I mean, he -- he is -- he is well-versed on terror charges and how to try them.

This Luigi Mangione case, the terrorism charges have been dropped. And, Andy, if I remember right, came out with an article I think last year said, this is not going to stand.

These terrorist charges aren't going to stand. And I don't understand why they won't.

And I don't understand how only be charged with second-degree murder.

When it was clear he was stocking the guy. Privy planned on killing him.

He was waiting for him outside.

That's premeditation, which is murder one.

But I know Andy will have all the answers for us.

Can you make sense of this for us, Andy?

ANDY: Yeah. I'm afraid I can, Glenn.

I think to start with the second point first about why it's murder two, rather than murder one. Back in the McCaughey days, which is like the 1990s in New York, when he was governor.

STU: Yeah.

ANDY: They tried to revise the New York capital murder statute. Because they haven't done a death penalty case in New York in decades.

And this was not -- this ultimately was not a successful effort. They still haven't revised the death penalty.

But what they did, they took the things that you could get the death penalty for, which in New York, were only things like killing a police officer or killing a prison guard in the prison.

And they made those the only murder in the first degree. Variety. Homicide, and all other murder.

GLENN: Why?

ANDY: Well, because they were trying to clean up -- their idea was, they were trying to clean the statute in a way that murder one would be revised as capital murder.

GLENN: Death penalty.

ANDY: Right. And all other murder was going to be second-degree murder, so because --

GLENN: That's insane.

ANDY: What we're dealing with Mangione, under New York law, would not have qualified for the death penalty because that would have been very, very narrow, and it's mainly killing police officers or prison guards.

That puts it into the category of second-degree murder. That doesn't mean, by the way, that it's unserious.

It has a -- I think the -- the offense in New York is like 25 years to life. Societies -- it's --

STU: The guy should get -- I mean, you could. You could argue against the death penalty. But guy should get either the death penalty, or life without payroll.

Not 25 years! This guy -- help me out on this one. How is he not a terrorist? He had the intent to terrorize. He said himself, he wanted people to look over their shoulders.

I mean, he is a textbook terrorist. And premeditation. Textbook!

ANDY: Yeah. To -- to prove terrorism, you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, an intent to intimidate or coerce a civilian population.

And you have to sort of get out of the -- the mindset that murder is terrorizing. I mean, all murder is terrorizing, to the people who are obviously involved in it. And to the extent that it intimidated people. But we can't turn every murder into terrorism.

GLENN: Correct.

ANDY: Terrorism --

GLENN: But he did it for. But isn't terrorism about trying to scare the population to either vote different or change the laws to be so terrorized that they -- in this particular case, he was trying to send a message to the -- the industry, you better watch your back, because there's more of me.

And you'll get it in the end.

That's terrorizing a group of people to get them to act in a way, the terrorists wants them to act.

ANDY: Yes.

GLENN: Isn't that how they define it?

ANDY: It's not terrorizing the government to change policy or terrorizing the whole civilian population. What the judge said, this was very narrowly targeted at the health care industry, and this particular health care executive.

And I --

STU: Hmm.

GLENN: Wow.

ANDY: And I just don't think it trivializes the murder to say that it's not a terrorism crime.

GLENN: Okay.

ANDY: You know, the federal government, Glenn, just so we're clear on this part of it. There were two charges brought here. There's a -- the federal charges and the state charges.

So Alvin Bragg, the -- the New York DA, brought the terrorism charge.

GLENN: What a joke.

ANDY: I said, at the time, I thought he was bringing it because he knew the Justice Department wanted to charge this guy. So he wanted to make a splash. Like the Justice Department wanted to make a splash.

When the Justice Department indicted it, even though Biden is against the death penalty, and the Democratic administration was against the death penalty. They indicted it as a death penalty case.
Because they wanted to make a big to-do over it. Even though, you know, if you look at the fine print, they would never impose the death penalty.

They had a moratorium on the death penalty. So in order not to be outsplashed, what Bragg turned around and did was indict this -- what he -- like ten times out of ten, indict only as a murder case.

If you could get Bragg to indict something that was actually a crime. And he decided to make it a terrorism murder case, so that they could compete for the headlines in the press.

Unfortunately, this is kind of what happens in these -- in these cases.

But to your point about stalking and all of that stuff.

The federal charges. Which are the death penalty charges, include exactly what you're talking about.

The fact that this guy was stalked.

That it was done in a very cold-blooded way.

And actually, if he gets convicted in the federal -- can in the federal system, now that Trump is running the Justice Department, rather than Biden, he gets convicted on the death penalty charge, he's going to get the death penalty.

GLENN: Okay. So it's not like he's getting murder in the second degree, and he'll be out in 25 years. The federal government is also trying him. Will it be the same trial?

ANDY: No. No.

In fact, the interesting thing, Glenn. Just from a political standpoint, I hate having to get political on this stuff.

GLENN: I know. Me too.

ANDY: If we can avoid it. The Biden Justice Department was working cooperative with Bragg. I don't think the Trump Justice Department is going to work cooperative with Bragg.

GLENN: No.

ANDY: And the interesting thing about that is under New York law, they have a very forgiving double jeopardy provision. Which basically means, if the Feds go first, that will probably block New York state from going at all.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

ANDY: Because of their expansive protection. And I think what Biden's Justice Department was willing to let Bragg go first.

So that they would go second. And then everybody would have --

GLENN: Trump won't do that.

ANDY: I'm not sure the Trump guys will play ball with that.

GLENN: No. Okay.

So are you confident the justice will be served in this. Oh.

ANDY: Well, I think -- you know, look, I think if your idea of justice served. Are this guy be convicted of a severe murder charge and never see the light of day again?

I am confident in that.

GLENN: Yes.

ANDY: If you believe as I do, that if you're going to have a -- a death penalty in the law, which our Constitution permits.

GLENN: He deserves it.

ANDY: If you're going to have it, he deserves it. And if he doesn't get it. He would be among a long line of people, who probably didn't deserve it and must get it.

Though, I guess it depends on what your idea of justice is. But I guess if we could agree that justice is this guy never sees the light of day again, I think justice will happen here.

GLENN: Right. Okay.

Can I switch to Charlie Kirk?

ANDY: Of course.

GLENN: How is this unfolding? What are your thoughts on this. What are your thoughts on -- you know, I really want to make sure I don't want to go too far. I don't want another Patriot Act kind of thing.

But I do believe, you know, the -- it appears as though, there may have been many people involved. At least in knowing.

What does that mean to you? And what should happen?

What should we be doing? What are we doing that is right and wrong?

ANDY: Well, to the extent -- I'm sorry -- I do -- I do think, Glenn. That this is being very aggressively investigated by both the state authorities and continuing by the federal authorities.

I heard Kash Patel, because I happened to be on television this morning. And they -- they broadcasted that while I was on.

And he was talking about how they are going through all of the social media stuff.

To see, who may have had an inkling about this beforehand. And if there was any conspiratorial activity, they're going to go after it.

Now, the chats that have come out so far, that have been reported in the last couple of days are chats in which Robinson admitted to committing homicide and told the people that he was chatting with -- that he had already arranged his surrender.

If that's all these people knew, that is to say, he had --

GLENN: Then there's nothing there.

ANDY: And he was turning himself in. Well, they might be good witnesses in terms of what his state of mind was at the trial of Robinson.

But I don't think that implicates them in criminal misconduct.

On the other hand, the feds are going to keep digging.

And I assume Utah is going to keep digging.

And if they find out that someone was involved in planning it, I think those people will be pursued.

GLENN: You know, there's probably Texas would be a bad place to commit this crime.

Utah, however, they have the death penalty. And they used the death penalty.

And the governor who I'm not a big fan of this governor.

But, boy, he has been very strong, and I think right on top of this whole thing.

And he said, day one, you will get the death penalty. We catch you. We prove it in a court of law. You do get the death penalty. And I think that's coming from this guy.

ANDY: Well, it's deserving. Because if it's ever indicative of premeditation and repulsive intent, I would say, this is a textbook case of that.

GLENN: The idea that Trump is now going to go after -- possibly RICO charges for people like George Soros and, you know, organizations like that, that are -- are pushing for a lot of the -- the -- the Antifa kind of stuff. Do you see any problems with that. Or is this a -- a good idea?

ANDY: I just think the first thing, before you get into RICO. And all these. You know, RICO is a very complicated statute, even when it obviously applies. So I think the bedrock thing they have to establish, is that you are crossing the line. From protected speech. A lot of which can be obnoxious speech. And actual incite meant to violence. And if you can get invite meant to violence.

You know, I didn't need RICO to prosecute the Blind Sheikh, right? I was able to do it on incitements of violence and that kind of stuff. Those are less complicated charges than Rico.

But the big challenges in those cases, Glenn, is getting across the line into violent action. As opposed to constitutionally protected rhetoric.

GLENN: Is there anything to the subversion of our -- of our nation. That you are -- you are intentionally subverting the United States of America.

You are pushing for revolutionary acts?

VOICE: You know, there's a lot of let allegation that arose out of that, in connection with the Cold War and the McCarran Act. And, you know, you remember all the stuff from the -- from the '40s and '50s, forward.

GLENN: Yeah. I know.

ANDY: And I think when that stuff was initially enacted, the country was in a different place.

I think when the McCarran Act was enacted, it was a consensus in the country, that if someone was a member of the Communist Party.

Hadn't actually done anything active to seek the violent overthrow of the US, but mere membership in the party. I think if you asked the question in 1950, most people would have thought that was a crime.

And by 1980, most people would have thought, it wasn't a crime. Based on the Supreme Court --

GLENN: Yeah. I don't.

Look, if you're a member of the Communist Party, you can be a member of the Communist Party.

But if you are actively subverting and pushing for revolution, in our country, I think that's a different -- I think that's a different cat, all -- entirely.

ANDY: Yeah, that's exactly right. But if you had that evidence of purposeful activity, and look, if you had a conspiratorial agreement between two people that contemplates the use of force, you don't need much more than that. You don't need an act of violence. If you have a strong evidence of conspiracy. But you do have to establish that they get over that line and to the use of force, at least the potential use of force.

STU: Yeah, okay.

Andy, as always, thank you so much. Appreciate your insight. Appreciate it.

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Max Lucado & Glenn Beck: Finding unity in faith

Glenn Beck sits down with beloved pastor and author Max Lucado for a deep conversation about faith, humility, and finding unity in a divided world. Together, they reflect on the importance of principles over politics, why humility opens the door to true dialogue, and how centering life on God brings clarity and peace. Lucado shares stories of faith, the dangers of a “prosperity gospel,” and the powerful reminder that life is not about making a big deal of ourselves, but about making a big deal of God. This uplifting conversation will inspire you to re-center your life, strengthen your faith, and see how humility and love can transform even the most divided times.

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