Bill O’Reilly: Don’t Believe Anything Schumer, Pelosi Say About DACA Deal

President Donald Trump has surprised again with his closeness to Democrat leaders. Last night, he had dinner with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and then appeared to have a change of heart when it comes to deporting illegal immigrants.

Trump tweeted this morning, “Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military?” In a follow-up tweet, he explained the intent behind the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. These immigrants “have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own – brought in by parents at young age,” he wrote.

Bill O’Reilly joined Glenn on radio Thursday to talk about what happened. His theory was that Pelosi and Schumer are using the situation simply to undermine Trump, knowing that his base will be furious if he caves and allows around 800,000 illegal immigrants to remain in the country.

Any statements from Pelosi and Schumer should be ignored, O’Reilly asserted. He reminded listeners that Trump can only approve DACA legislation that goes through Congress, and Republicans will have to write a bill.

“Very difficult for these pinheads to do because that requires them getting out of the gym,” he quipped. “They have to actually go to their desks and write a bill. They don’t like that.”

This article provided courtesy of TheBlaze.

GLENN: Normally on Fridays, we have Mr. Bill O'Reilly, but I am -- I'm actually going to speak and having dinner this weekend with Paul Kagame, the former president of Rwanda, who is an amazing, amazing guy.

And this has proved to be interesting. But I've also been asked to speak at a three-day conference at a place called the Nantucket Project, which tries to bring people together on forgiveness and healing and a way forward.

STU: Same for me. I will be having brunch with Garbon Gooli Burkmenadof from Turkmenistan.

GLENN: Really? That's interesting.

STU: Next Wednesday. 10:30 a.m. IHOP. International pancakes.

GLENN: Right. Really? International -- so it's an international pancake kind of moment.

So, anyway, Bill O'Reilly is with us today, instead of on Friday, which he normally is. But I'm glad he's here because I want to talk to him a lot about the deal -- you know, making a deal with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and the spin that is going to come out of the White House now and the spin that is already coming out from Nancy and Chuck. And where are we going from here? Welcome to the program, Bill O'Reilly from BillO'Reilly.com.

BILL: You are so lucky to have me on this program today. You are.

GLENN: No, I woke up this morning, and I thought to myself, "If I could only get more lucky," and then you were here.

BILL: Yeah, because, I mean, I am going to be able to define this so even you understand it. All right?

GLENN: All right. Go ahead. Talk down to me.

BILL: You are very lucky.

GLENN: Yes, I know.

BILL: But, first, I want to give a plug because I'm having lunch with Ricky Buffunyats.

GLENN: Are you really? Wow.

BILL: Yeah. Who once traveled to Bolivia. And he wants healing.

GLENN: But he's not -- hang on just a second. But he's actually -- he didn't go there for any reason. He just -- he just went one time.

BILL: Yeah. He wanted to be healed, so he went.

GLENN: Okay. All right. Good. Okay.

BILL: I'm going to figure out if he was healed or not.

GLENN: All right. Good. Okay. Jerk.

BILL: All right, Beck. So now -- I got -- I have to now walk you through what's happening on DACA.

GLENN: Yes. All right.

BILL: First of all, Nancy Pelosi and Charles Schumer want to destroy Donald Trump.

GLENN: Yes.

BILL: Fact number one.

GLENN: Should I write this down? Will there be a test?

BILL: Well, have somebody else write it down for you because I know your handwriting.

GLENN: All right. To destroy. Got it.

BILL: Fact number one: Pelosi/Schumer want to destroy Trump.

Fact number two: They know the fastest way to do that is to get Trump's base angry with him.

GLENN: Got it.

Right.

BILL: Okay?

GLENN: All right.

BILL: The quickest way to do that is to turn --

GLENN: Anger his base.

BILL: His supporters against him.

GLENN: Got it. All right.

BILL: So, therefore, anything that Schumer and Pelosi say, throw it right out of the window.

GLENN: Right.

BILL: Okay. That is number one.

GLENN: No, that's number two.

No, this would be number three. Number one was he was going to try to destroy -- number two.

BILL: No, no. But I'm in categories now. We're in categories now.

GLENN: Oh, so that's category A at one and two. And now we're in category B. Go ahead. All right.

BILL: Right.

GLENN: Go ahead. Yes, go ahead.

STU: It's easier with the graphics next to you.

GLENN: Yes, go ahead.

BILL: No one, including the president, knows how this DACA thing is going to turn out. Because the Republicans have to write a bill. Very difficult for these pinheads to do because that requires them getting out of the gym. All right? They have to go to actually go to their desk and write a bill.

GLENN: Right. Right.

BILL: They don't like that. They have to write a bill that says, "All right. Here's the new law that's going to cover 800,000 so-called Dreamers, illegal aliens, who were taken here by their parents." And they had no say about it. They came. And what are we going to do about them?

Republicans write the bill. In that bill, it could be anything. It could be anything. We don't know. All right?

So Trump doesn't have any input as far as what's going to happen to the Dreamers. It's all Congress. All right?

And then the bill comes out and Trump says, "I like it, or I don't like it." Are you with me?

GLENN: I just want to make sure -- A, you didn't give me a topic. But under A is, number one, they're trying to destroy the president. Fastest way to do is anger his base. B, no one knows what is going to be in this bill because it hasn't been written, under that. Point one, Republicans don't like to work. Point two, Republicans could write anything. They could write a bill that replaces Nancy Pelosi with a chicken. I've got it so far.

BILL: Right. Okay. So good. Beck, you're really on it today. I'm so happy.

STU: The Pelosi Chicken Act, I am behind that, by the way.

GLENN: I'm taking notes.

Yes, I am too.

BILL: So all -- all of us loyal Americans who want the best for our country should stop now with the speculation, which gets us nowhere, and wait until this bill comes out.

Now, it is worthy that you and other commentators tell President Trump what you would like to see in the bill. Okay? This is what we --

GLENN: I think we did during the election.

BILL: Well, no. Because the Dreamer thing is a little bit more complicated.

GLENN: No, no, no. No, it's not. Here's what the American people -- here's what I believe the American people were actually saying. Beyond all the hyperbole and everything else. This is the what the American people were actually saying during the election: Look, that is a really complex issue. I don't know what to do. I don't want to hurt people. I'm not a racist. But I want border security.

BILL: Right.

GLENN: Hang on. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. No, no.

BILL: You're going over ground that is inevitable.

GLENN: No, it's not.

BILL: So it's inevitable that the Republicans will put some kind of stringent border security, maybe even a -- city thing in the bill.

They have to and they will. That will be there, Beck. Do not worry about that.

But there are other things that are going to happen. Number one, Trump does not want to deport these dreamers. That's obvious. He doesn't want it. Because he has to expand his base a little bit. And the polls overwhelmingly show that Americans are open to a fair deal for these people. These kids who were brought here. So he's not going to deport 800,000. That's not going to happen.

GLENN: So when he said to -- when he said in interview after interview after interview, yes, they're all going home.

STU: Chuck Todd.

BILL: When he says that, he doesn't think about the Dreamers.

GLENN: No, no, no. It was specifically about the Dreamers. We checked the audio. It was specifically --

BILL: Do you have the audio that Trump said Dreamers are going home.

GLENN: Yes. Hang on. I'll get it for you in a second.

BILL: No, no, no. You don't have to get it for me. I believe you. I believe you.

All right. So that's not going to happen now. It's not, all right? He's not going to deport 800,000.

And I'll tell you why, because I told this to him to his face in an interview: The courts would block that until the year 2099.

GLENN: Yes. You're right.

BILL: Okay. Thank you, Beck. So everybody knows it's not going to happen. So let's stop the BS and get a fair bill that would strengthen border security and anarchy and eliminate anarchy in the United States about illegal immigration.

GLENN: Okay. So my -- I have to go back here, so has the last two years of us saying Little Marco is making a deal with Chuck Schumer and the Gang of Eight, and there's no amnesty. Mark my words, there's no amnesty. It will not happen.

Hang on.

I know you're just clearing the throat. But that means you're about to talk. Hang on.

So the last two years of finger pointing and actually having -- being the catalyst to have half of the country point to the other half and say, "What a bunch of racists you are. You're completely unreasonable. You're lumping everybody in the same boat." All of that -- all of that division, all of that hatred, all of that was for what purpose? For what purpose?

BILL: I don't know, Beck. That's way too complicated for a man like me.

GLENN: No, it's not. You're smart enough. You don't want to answer it. You just don't want to answer it.

BILL: It's way over my head. I just want to tell you what's going to happen.

GLENN: Right.

BILL: All right? I can't -- I can't talk to the president of Rwanda. I can't. I don't have the ability or the intellectual --

GLENN: Yes, you can. You do not want to.

BILL: A man who ran Rwanda. I can't. That's your job. All right?

Here's what's going to happen, all right?

GLENN: Uh-huh.

BILL: There will be some compromise. Trump has already strengthened the border to a degree that we haven't had ever. Ever.

GLENN: Yeah.

BILL: All right?

GLENN: All of the -- all of the -- all of the Republicans, with an exception of maybe Kasich, all of the Republicans, the 17 that he destroyed because they would make a deal with Nancy Pelosi, they were for amnesty, they were for the Gang of Eight, they weren't going to --

BILL: Right.

GLENN: -- you can't believe them. They're going to build a wall, that they're going to -- all of them would have done -- with the exception of John Kasich, exactly what he has done so far, without the division and the hatred and the pitting against each other.

BILL: All right. Maybe that's true -- but the fact -- and I love that word fact -- is that in the six months that he's been sitting there in the Oval Office, immigration on the southern border, all right? Has been enforced more than ever in our lifetime.

GLENN: Yes.

BILL: That's a fact. And it's not going to get any more lax. It will get more stringent. Here's another fact.

GLENN: Until he's gone and replaced by a Republican -- or, a Democrat.

BILL: Until he's gone. And then when the president of Rwanda comes over and runs this --

GLENN: No, don't try to weasel out of this.

That was the point of why we wanted a wall: Because nothing is ever permanent.

BILL: Okay. The magic word wall. You want to know about the wall? Do you have time, or do you have to take a break?

GLENN: Nothing is ever permanent.

BILL: Do you want to know about the wall now, or should we wait?

GLENN: No, I'm going to take a break. And Bill O'Reilly from BillO'Reilly.com is where you can find him. And if you want this kind of fact-driven nonsense, you can find it at BillO'Reilly.com. Back in just a second.

BILL: And I want to talk the statues too.

GLENN: Believe me, I've got a list of things to talk to you about.

(chuckling)

STU: BillO'Reilly.com is where you can go for the podcast. And hopefully he'll be referencing the Paul Kagame statue we're going to be talking about.

GLENN: Shut up. Shut up.

GLENN: So what's the wall, is what I ask to Bill O'Reilly? What's the wall about?

BILL: Number one fact -- all right? We're back to the facts. I know that upsets you.

Okay. There's not going to be any wall in the bill about the Dreamers. Because that would mobilize opposition from 100 percent of the Democrats and some Republicans as well. So they're not going to have that in there, in the bill.

Now, some people will be angry about that. But step back. Trump is going to build his wall. He doesn't need legislation to build it. He can do it by executive order. He can do it by using Homeland Security funds, of which there are gazillions of dollars available. He can do it and he will do it. But it's not going to be a wall from Brownsville, San Diego. It's not going to be that. It's going to be in certain places where it's easier to smuggle narcotics. The wall is basically a detriment against narcotics, not people, all right?

So they will build some of it. It will come from orders from Donald Trump. But it's not going to be enshrined anywhere because it's too polarizing. So that's what's going to happen.

GLENN: That stands against, Bill O'Reilly, absolutely everything I stand for as a constitutionalist.

BILL: I know it does.

GLENN: What you've just described is, as a constitutionalist, you have said, through executive order, he will do things that are temporary. I am against it as a constitutionalist, and I am against it as somebody --

BILL: Maybe they can knock it down if you elect Bernie Sanders. But you have to live in the real world. And the real world is two things here: Trump knows he has to build the wall. Some semblance of it. He has to. All right? And he will. But he's not going to get permission from Congress to do it because there are not enough votes there.

It's as simple as that. So you've got to live in the real world, Beck, if you want to get anything done at all. I understand the constitutionalists. I understand that.

But, you know, this is hand-to-hand combat. Donald Trump going to survive the presidency. He's going to get reelected. All right? He's got to do certain things that you're just not going to like.

GLENN: So when he says -- can we play audio cut five, please. This is President Trump talking about taxes. Cut five. Do you have it? Okay. Sorry about that.

STU: Yeah. Because I -- I'm curious on that because I -- he obviously said during the campaign that it was going to be a wall that went for the whole border. He did say that.

BILL: He said a lot of things. But he doesn't understand at that point what it takes to get that stuff done.

GLENN: So hang on -- this is a 59-second cut. Let me just read this. Taxes paid by the wealthy will likely stay the same under the new tax plan, but if they have to go higher, they're going to go higher.

BILL: Uh-huh.

GLENN: What -- which -- what does he stand for, Bill? What can I trust?

BILL: He's trying to be a populist. He's trying to appeal to working class and middle class voters. He knows that's where his base is. So that's what he stands for.

GLENN: Is that healthy for a country? Populism, is it good?

BILL: I would like to see populism combined with astute analysis. I think if you got a politician who had both, who, you know, really felt for the working people, but was astute in how to get things done, then you'd have something. But we don't seem to be able to produce politicians --

(laughter)

GLENN: All right. When we come back, Bill O'Reilly is going to take on a couple of things. One, the statues.

BILL: Yes!

GLENN: And we'll talk a little bit about that. Also -- because it's getting crazy.

Also, we're going to try to get to the latest from ESPN. And I know how much Bill O'Reilly loves Hillary Clinton. And has probably spent all week just up late at night reading her book. Her -- her latest poll numbers show most Americans want her to go away. Bill's opinion, coming up.

GLENN: I'm really tired of hearing people's opinion. There are very few people's opinion that matter to me. I mean, I barely -- I barely have my own opinion. Everybody has one. I got it.

What I'm interested in, facts and perspective. And one of the best is Bill O'Reilly. And we welcome him to the program from BillO'Reilly.com.

I'm going to be gone tomorrow. I'm having dinner with Winston Churchill tomorrow night. So I will not be here. But we're going to talk about peace and war and everything in between. And I'll give you a report on that on Monday. But, Bill O'Reilly, give me the facts on what's happening with the statues.

BILL: All right. I think you and I are of one mind on this because very early on, after Robert E. Lee's statue was the subject of that incredible controversy in Charlottesville, we both said, "It's not going to end with Lee. They're coming after Washington and Jefferson and other Founding Fathers." You said that to, I believe. Correct?

GLENN: Yes, I did. Yep.

BILL: Okay. We both said it. Not in collusion. There were no Russian collusion here.

GLENN: Oh, I don't know. Zionist masters.

BILL: Back on his Blaze and O'Reilly on BillO'Reilly.com said it independently. All right. So now it's happened.

So Black Lives Matter and other radical groups are demanding that Thomas Jefferson's statue be taken down in Charlottesville. Jefferson founded the University of Virginia, which is there, and lived there.

Okay. So this plays right into my wheelhouse because I have a book coming out Tuesday called Killing England.

GLENN: Shut up. Shut up. I thought, if there was a way I could get Bill O'Reilly to talk about his book.

BILL: No, this is a legitimate way. This is a legitimate way. Because I write about Thomas Jefferson --

GLENN: Shut up. Shut up.

BILL: The man, what he did about, in slavery, and how he had slaves, and how he behaved, and his whole life.

GLENN: You know, Bill, can I ask you a question about Thomas Jefferson?

BILL: Yeah.

GLENN: First of all, how do we get the word out that Thomas Jefferson led the fight in Virginia to try to be able to release his slaves? It was --

BILL: So that's in the book. But you're missing --

GLENN: Yeah, but I'm saying in some way that people will read it or find it.

BILL: Let me illuminate. Okay?

GLENN: Okay. All right.

BILL: In order to win this debate, Beck, traditional Americans have to know the facts. They have to know what Thomas Jefferson just did. You just said it. You just said it. That the man was very conflicted about slavery. And we -- in Killing England, you'll see exactly how conflicted he was and what he did. And the other --

GLENN: I don't think so.

BILL: -- actions that led to our independence.

GLENN: Hang on just a second. I don't think he was. He's the guy who said, "Because I know God is just, I tremble for my country." That was about slavery.

BILL: No, but he -- he agonized about the line, "All men are created equal." He agonized about it.

GLENN: Yes, he did do that. Yes, he did.

BILL: Because he said, we're not including African-Americans.

GLENN: Yes.

BILL: So if you read the book, he's a conflicted man on the issue, okay? But the overarch of what he did, what George Washington did -- because they're going to come after Washington, he was a slave owner too -- is amazing. And you got to know that in order to ward off the far left kooks. Now, why are they doing the statues? Here's what it's all about, Beck. It's not about the statues. Of Lee or Jefferson or Washington or any of that. It's about undermining the entire Constitution of this country. The far left believes that we are a nation founded by white supremacists. Okay?

And that our Constitution reflects that. So we got to do away with that and have a new Constitution. That's what this is all about. That you run down the Founding Fathers, you run down the philosophy on which the country was founded, and you replace it with a socialist manifesto.

Now, you're going to say, "Oh, O'Reilly is the conspiratorialist." No. This is exactly the conversations that are taking place within the precincts of Black Lives Matter, the Antifa movement, and some in the mainstream media who sympathize with that.

Now you can segue into Jemele Hill, the girl on ESPN, the woman on ESPN, okay? Who tweets that Trump is a white supremacist and that he's surrounded about him. Now, you got a question about Hill?

GLENN: I didn't want to transition there. But all of a sudden, I lost control of the show. I'd like to go back to the Star-Spangled Banner and the fight on slavery.

It is incumbent upon each of us, and Bill is -- and I -- it kills me to promote his stupid freaking book. But he is right. And his book does cover this. And we need to know who these people were.

When it comes to the Star-Spangled Banner, the fifth stanza is all about slavery: When our land is illuminated with liberty's smile, if a foe -- glory -- down, down, the traitor who dares to defile her flag of stars and the pages of her story. By the millions unchained, who our birthright have gained, we will keep her bright, blazing, forever unstained.

There -- yesterday, they went after Francis Scott Key. This is revisionist history, and it has to stop.

BILL: Well, it's only going to stop if the people rise up.

GLENN: No, if the people educate --

BILL: Folks are afraid to do this.

GLENN: I think you're wrong on that. I think it will only happen when the people educate themselves, then they will rise up.

BILL: Okay. You rise up with education, and you're effective.

GLENN: Yes.

BILL: You rise up with emotion and you don't own anything, it's not effective.

GLENN: We are only slaves -- we are truly -- we are slaves to lies right now. We are slaves to others, who are manipulating us because we have not done what every slave, as soon as they became free, the first thing they did was try to get an education. Try to learn. Try to read.

We're not doing any of it. And we're chaining ourselves. And we're going to be slaves of some other master if we don't educate ourselves.

BILL: Well, that's very well said. And, again, I'm lucky in a sense that when I wrote Killing England, I didn't any idea that within a year, the Antifa movement and the socialistic movement would be as intimidating as it is now. But I'm glad I wrote the book. It's almost a miracle, because if you want to know who Jefferson, Washington, and Benjamin Franklin actually were as people and you read the book, you'll know.

GLENN: Jeez, will you stop with the damn book?

BILL: So you can fight off the forces of darkness. Because they're coming.

GLENN: All I wanted to do was talk about ESPN. And now he's just going on.

So hang on. Here's the question about ESPN.

BILL: Thank you.

GLENN: The big thing on ESPN -- everybody is saying, "They've got a double standard." No, they don't. This is the same standard. You will fire anyone who has a nonprogressive, big government view -- or a small government view, and you will cheer on and excuse anyone who has a progressive, PC, pro-big government view. They're completely consistent.

BILL: Well, they've destroyed the network.

GLENN: Yes.

BILL: All right? So ESPN is a shadow of what it used to be. And it's not coming back. All right?

So that's number one. And the reason is, people watch that network for sports, not to have somebody like Jemele Hill accuse a president and his cabinet of being white supremacists. They don't watch for that. You know, MSNBC should hire the woman, because that's what they do. Okay?

GLENN: So, Bill, have you ever heard anybody ever even question -- even question the president and his relationship with race? So, in other words, have you ever heard anyone say things like, "I think this president may be a racist. I think this president may have a deep, dark, unsettled feeling about white people?"

Have you ever heard anybody say that? Because I remember somebody did. And they questioned what the intent was, and it was heralded as the biggest mistake on planet earth. How dare you ever question that. And now somebody at ESPN can say -- not question -- not question. But to make the statement, he's a white supremacist.

BILL: Right.

GLENN: And everybody is fine.

BILL: Well, not everybody is fine. There's a big, big controversy about it. I don't think the woman should be fired.

GLENN: Not on the left.

BILL: Although -- not on the left because they concur.

GLENN: Yes.

BILL: But, you know, they fired Curt Schilling. And, you know, he --

GLENN: They did the same thing.

BILL: He was --

GLENN: He did the same thing.

BILL: No, it was a little bit more. Because Schilling had an illustration of a transgendered person that was pretty offensive, I would say.

GLENN: I don't remember it exactly. So I'd have to go back and look.

BILL: But they could have suspended him, and they could have brought him back. But they don't -- they being Disney. Disney runs -- and a lot of people don't know this: Disney owns ESPN.

GLENN: Right.

BILL: But Disney doesn't have, as you pointed out, any respect for the conservative American thought process.

But I wouldn't fire the woman. I don't think that's the right way to handle it. I think that you basically say to her, "You don't really know what you're talking about, with all due respect, Ms. Hill. All right? This isn't going on here. And the fact that you believe it is -- you're entitled to that, but you're in a position of responsibility, particularly with younger African-Americans, and you're really abusing that because you can't back that statement up. You can't back it up. And what you're doing is you're denigrating the country just like Colin Kaepernick did. And, you know, if people object to that, their views are just as viable as your views. So you're going to have to take what comes, which is criticism and lower ratings, because that's where it's going."

STU: And, Bill, I think this is what you're saying. But, I mean, in fact, they handle these situations many different ways. The Jemele Hill way is the way they actually should handle it. Right?

They should come in and say, "It's your own private thing. We don't think that's the right way for you to be handling this, especially if people might think it's from ESPN. But you know, whatever. We'll give you a little slap on the wrist or at least a talking to or whatever, and you'll come back and do the show." The problem is how they handle all the other cases.

BILL: Yeah, I mean, with Schilling -- but with Schilling, he had that cartoon.

GLENN: But you really don't have to go to Schilling. You really don't have to go to Schilling. Chink in the armor. Guerrilla warfare. I mean, there's two people that lost their jobs for phrases that have nothing to do with race. And they went crazy.

BILL: Yeah, well, there's no doubt there's a double standard. There's hypocrisy all over the place. But I think traditional Americans who believe in fairness have to rise above the hypocrisy. And you know what, here's what you do: You just don't watch. You just don't watch.

And that's going on now for years. They've been bailing out of ESPN for years. And other networks that are not honest or doing something that the folks deem offensive, don't watch.

GLENN: I will tell you this, if you really want to make an impact, you don't watch, of course -- but if you really want to make an impact, you let Disney know, "I'm not taking my kids to your park," because they only care about the mouse. That's all they care about.

BILL: That would do it.

Look, every corporation, it's money first. There's no doubt about it. And on that note, we want everybody to preorder Killing England. It's coming out Tuesday.

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STU: That's a solid segue right there.

BILL: There you go.

GLENN: Bill, do I have to endure this again on Tuesday when it comes out?

BILL: Tuesday and next Friday.

GLENN: I don't know if I can do two times a week.

BILL: All right. We'll get you some oxygen, and we'll do what we have to do.

GLENN: Bill, believe me, there's enough air here, hot air when you're around. I don't need anymore.

Bill, good to have you, thank you. We'll talk to you again.

BILL: All right. Thanks for having me in.

GLENN: You bet. Bye.

STU: Bill O'Reilly, the book is called Killing England. It is coming out on Tuesday. You, of course, can also go to his website and sign up at BillO'Reilly.com.

GLENN: You know, I love -- I love -- I really love my relationship with Bill O'Reilly. Same with Don Imus. You know, here are two guys that are -- they didn't -- they are the legends -- they are the legends of their generation. They're the ones that I -- that I watched for years. And they are -- they both can hit hard and take a punch. And neither of them insists that you agree with them, which is the way it's supposed to be.

PAT: I will say, Bill is much more -- is much happier --

GLENN: Oh, yeah.

STU: It's remarkable --

GLENN: He's happy now.

STU: Because when he was doing the Fox thing, he would come on the show.

GLENN: No, he's happy.

STU: And do his thing. He seems like he's actually enjoying life these days.

'Rage against the dying of the light': Charlie Kirk lived that mandate

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Kirk’s tragic death challenges us to rise above fear and anger, to rebuild bridges where others build walls, and to fight for the America he believed in.

I’ve only felt this weight once before. It was 2001, just as my radio show was about to begin. The World Trade Center fell, and I was called to speak immediately. I spent the day and night by my bedside, praying for words that could meet the moment.

Yesterday, I found myself in the same position. September 11, 2025. The assassination of Charlie Kirk. A friend. A warrior for truth.

Out of this tragedy, the tyrant dies, but the martyr’s influence begins.

Moments like this make words feel inadequate. Yet sometimes, words from another time speak directly to our own. In 1947, Dylan Thomas, watching his father slip toward death, penned lines that now resonate far beyond his own grief:

Do not go gentle into that good night. / Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Thomas was pleading for his father to resist the impending darkness of death. But those words have become a mandate for all of us: Do not surrender. Do not bow to shadows. Even when the battle feels unwinnable.

Charlie Kirk lived that mandate. He knew the cost of speaking unpopular truths. He knew the fury of those who sought to silence him. And yet he pressed on. In his life, he embodied a defiance rooted not in anger, but in principle.

Picking up his torch

Washington, Jefferson, Adams — our history was started by men who raged against an empire, knowing the gallows might await. Lincoln raged against slavery. Martin Luther King Jr. raged against segregation. Every generation faces a call to resist surrender.

It is our turn. Charlie’s violent death feels like a knockout punch. Yet if his life meant anything, it means this: Silence in the face of darkness is not an option.

He did not go gently. He spoke. He challenged. He stood. And now, the mantle falls to us. To me. To you. To every American.

We cannot drift into the shadows. We cannot sit quietly while freedom fades. This is our moment to rage — not with hatred, not with vengeance, but with courage. Rage against lies, against apathy, against the despair that tells us to do nothing. Because there is always something you can do.

Even small acts — defiance, faith, kindness — are light in the darkness. Reaching out to those who mourn. Speaking truth in a world drowning in deceit. These are the flames that hold back the night. Charlie carried that torch. He laid it down yesterday. It is ours to pick up.

The light may dim, but it always does before dawn. Commit today: I will not sleep as freedom fades. I will not retreat as darkness encroaches. I will not be silent as evil forces claim dominion. I have no king but Christ. And I know whom I serve, as did Charlie.

Two turning points, decades apart

On Wednesday, the world changed again. Two tragedies, separated by decades, bound by the same question: Who are we? Is this worth saving? What kind of people will we choose to be?

Imagine a world where more of us choose to be peacemakers. Not passive, not silent, but builders of bridges where others erect walls. Respect and listening transform even the bitterest of foes. Charlie Kirk embodied this principle.

He did not strike the weak; he challenged the powerful. He reached across divides of politics, culture, and faith. He changed hearts. He sparked healing. And healing is what our nation needs.

At the center of all this is one truth: Every person is a child of God, deserving of dignity. Change will not happen in Washington or on social media. It begins at home, where loneliness and isolation threaten our souls. Family is the antidote. Imperfect, yes — but still the strongest source of stability and meaning.

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Forgiveness, fidelity, faithfulness, and honor are not dusty words. They are the foundation of civilization. Strong families produce strong citizens. And today, Charlie’s family mourns. They must become our family too. We must stand as guardians of his legacy, shining examples of the courage he lived by.

A time for courage

I knew Charlie. I know how he would want us to respond: Multiply his courage. Out of this tragedy, the tyrant dies, but the martyr’s influence begins. Out of darkness, great and glorious things will sprout — but we must be worthy of them.

Charlie Kirk lived defiantly. He stood in truth. He changed the world. And now, his torch is in our hands. Rage, not in violence, but in unwavering pursuit of truth and goodness. Rage against the dying of the light.

This article originally appeared on TheBlaze.com.

Glenn Beck is once again calling on his loyal listeners and viewers to come together and channel the same unity and purpose that defined the historic 9-12 Project. That movement, born in the wake of national challenges, brought millions together to revive core values of faith, hope, and charity.

Glenn created the original 9-12 Project in early 2009 to bring Americans back to where they were in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. In those moments, we weren't Democrats and Republicans, conservative or liberal, Red States or Blue States, we were united as one, as America. The original 9-12 Project aimed to root America back in the founding principles of this country that united us during those darkest of days.

This new initiative draws directly from that legacy, focusing on supporting the family of Charlie Kirk in these dark days following his tragic murder.

The revival of the 9-12 Project aims to secure the long-term well-being of Charlie Kirk's wife and children. All donations will go straight to meeting their immediate and future needs. If the family deems the funds surplus to their requirements, Charlie's wife has the option to redirect them toward the vital work of Turning Point USA.

This campaign is more than just financial support—it's a profound gesture of appreciation for Kirk's tireless dedication to the cause of liberty. It embodies the unbreakable bond of our community, proving that when we stand united, we can make a real difference.
Glenn Beck invites you to join this effort. Show your solidarity by donating today and honoring Charlie Kirk and his family in this meaningful way.

You can learn more about the 9-12 Project and donate HERE

The dangerous lie: Rights as government privileges, not God-given

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When politicians claim that rights flow from the state, they pave the way for tyranny.

Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) recently delivered a lecture that should alarm every American. During a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing, he argued that believing rights come from a Creator rather than government is the same belief held by Iran’s theocratic regime.

Kaine claimed that the principles underpinning Iran’s dictatorship — the same regime that persecutes Sunnis, Jews, Christians, and other minorities — are also the principles enshrined in our Declaration of Independence.

In America, rights belong to the individual. In Iran, rights serve the state.

That claim exposes either a profound misunderstanding or a reckless indifference to America’s founding. Rights do not come from government. They never did. They come from the Creator, as the Declaration of Independence proclaims without qualification. Jefferson didn’t hedge. Rights are unalienable — built into every human being.

This foundation stands worlds apart from Iran. Its leaders invoke God but grant rights only through clerical interpretation. Freedom of speech, property, religion, and even life itself depend on obedience to the ruling clerics. Step outside their dictates, and those so-called rights vanish.

This is not a trivial difference. It is the essence of liberty versus tyranny. In America, rights belong to the individual. The government’s role is to secure them, not define them. In Iran, rights serve the state. They empower rulers, not the people.

From Muhammad to Marx

The same confusion applies to Marxist regimes. The Soviet Union’s constitutions promised citizens rights — work, health care, education, freedom of speech — but always with fine print. If you spoke out against the party, those rights evaporated. If you practiced religion openly, you were charged with treason. Property and voting were allowed as long as they were filtered and controlled by the state — and could be revoked at any moment. Rights were conditional, granted through obedience.

Kaine seems to be advocating a similar approach — whether consciously or not. By claiming that natural rights are somehow comparable to sharia law, he ignores the critical distinction between inherent rights and conditional privileges. He dismisses the very principle that made America a beacon of freedom.

Jefferson and the founders understood this clearly. “We are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights,” they wrote. No government, no cleric, no king can revoke them. They exist by virtue of humanity itself. The government exists to protect them, not ration them.

This is not a theological quibble. It is the entire basis of our government. Confuse the source of rights, and tyranny hides behind piety or ideology. The people are disempowered. Clerics, bureaucrats, or politicians become arbiters of what rights citizens may enjoy.

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Gifts from God, not the state

Kaine’s statement reflects either a profound ignorance of this principle or an ideological bias that favors state power over individual liberty. Either way, Americans must recognize the danger. Understanding the origin of rights is not academic — it is the difference between freedom and submission, between the American experiment and theocratic or totalitarian rule.

Rights are not gifts from the state. They are gifts from God, secured by reason, protected by law, and defended by the people. Every American must understand this. Because when rights come from government instead of the Creator, freedom disappears.

This article originally appeared on TheBlaze.com.

POLL: Is Gen Z’s anger over housing driving them toward socialism?

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A recent poll conducted by Justin Haskins, a long-time friend of the show, has uncovered alarming trends among young Americans aged 18-39, revealing a generation grappling with deep frustrations over economic hardships, housing affordability, and a perceived rigged system that favors the wealthy, corporations, and older generations. While nearly half of these likely voters approve of President Trump, seeing him as an anti-establishment figure, over 70% support nationalizing major industries, such as healthcare, energy, and big tech, to promote "equity." Shockingly, 53% want a democratic socialist to win the 2028 presidential election, including a third of Trump voters and conservatives in this age group. Many cite skyrocketing housing costs, unfair taxation on the middle class, and a sense of being "stuck" or in crisis as driving forces, with 62% believing the economy is tilted against them and 55% backing laws to confiscate "excess wealth" like second homes or luxury items to help first-time buyers.

This blend of Trump support and socialist leanings suggests a volatile mix: admiration for disruptors who challenge the status quo, coupled with a desire for radical redistribution to address personal struggles. Yet, it raises profound questions about the roots of this discontent—Is it a failure of education on history's lessons about socialism's failures? Media indoctrination? Or genuine systemic barriers? And what does it portend for the nation’s trajectory—greater division, a shift toward authoritarian policies, or an opportunity for renewal through timeless values like hard work and individual responsibility?

Glenn wants to know what YOU think: Where do Gen Z's socialist sympathies come from? What does it mean for the future of America? Make your voice heard in the poll below:

Do you believe the Gen Z support for socialism comes from perceived economic frustrations like unaffordable housing and a rigged system favoring the wealthy and corporations?

Do you believe the Gen Z support for socialism, including many Trump supporters, is due to a lack of education about the historical failures of socialist systems?

Do you think that these poll results indicate a growing generational divide that could lead to more political instability and authoritarian tendencies in America's future?

Do you think that this poll implies that America's long-term stability relies on older generations teaching Gen Z and younger to prioritize self-reliance, free-market ideals, and personal accountability?

Do you think the Gen Z support for Trump is an opportunity for conservatives to win them over with anti-establishment reforms that preserve liberty?