A winter storm has been hammering the Northeast, while even states like Florida are experiencing much colder weather than normal. What’s going on? Is this extreme winter evidence for climate change – or just part of the normal weather cycle?
Meteorologist and weather forecaster Joe Bastardi of WeatherBell.com talked about weather patterns and this year’s unusually cold winter with Pat and Jeffy on today’s show. His analysis is a stark contrast to climate change activists’ scare tactics. Listen to the clip (above) to hear him combat various arguments tying cold winter weather to global warming.
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PAT: Pat Gray and Jeffy for Glenn. Be back Monday morning. 888-727-BECK.
Looks like another cold weekend for much of the country. They just got a huge storm. And now cold front coming in behind that. So it’s going to be very pleasant. And this is all, of course, due to global warming.
JEFFY: Thank you.
PAT: Once again, it’s gotten so hot, that it’s spun clear around to cold, or something.
JEFFY: I think that’s exactly — that’s exactly it.
PAT: Michael Mann — Gore just linked to one of his organization’s articles on the brutal winter weather. And it was written by Michael Mann. The climate reality project. A perfect storm, extreme winter weather, bitter cold, and climate change.
It’s just — it’s phenomenal to me that because just a few years ago, they were saying we weren’t going to have snow and cold anymore. The winters were going to be completely different. You were going to have to remind your children what snow was. So that meant global warming. And now the opposite means global warming.
So we decided to get meteorologist Joe Bastardi on to talk about this. Joe, welcome to the Glenn Beck Program with Pat and Jeffy.
JOE: It is always an extreme pleasure to talk to you gentlemen.
PAT: The pleasure is ours. You know, you’re quoted pretty prominently tweeted in this article, and you’re talking about the insanity it is. It’s virtually witchcraft at this point.
JOE: Let me just say something, okay? We set this up — it’s amazing that sometimes when the atmosphere gets into a flow, very similar to previous years, all right? So we set up the cold — David and my clients first, and then our subscribers on premium at weatherBELL.com, if you want to go there, and then I showed it to the public, I said, here is what you are to expect, based on similar patterns in the past. That we would get off to a big fast start to the winter.
In fact, on November 30th, I wrote an article in the Patriot Post saying that the cold that was coming could put the skids on the economic recovery that we were in.
And I’m not saying that this is directly attracted to it. But I noticed that job creation was a lot less in December. And maybe the amount of cold — I’m not saying it’s directly linked. These guys will have to figure it out.
But remember how cold it got in Texas. It snowed December 7th through the 15th and then all of this is coming now.
But the point is, we were forecasting this before.
Now, here’s what you have to believe. I want everybody to just calm down. And this is what you got to believe.
JEFFY: That the cold that is coming now, that was seen and predicted due to the physical forcing of the atmosphere, similar to other years, that cold that is here now is climate change.
But because it’s not quite as cold as some of the outbreaks like 1983 and ’84, that’s also climate change.
PAT: So here’s what happened: It got very cold because of climate change, but not quite as cold as it would have gotten, if we didn’t have climate —
PAT: It’s preposterous.
JOE: I can’t even believe it. And, you know what gets me, guys? The certain large-scale physical forcing that’s going on right now, it’s going to lead to a mammoth thaw. All right. We see it starting in the Indian oceans, all right. What’s going on? Big thunderstorms go up there, decide that the pattern is going to change. It’s going to get very mild across the United States.
You mark my words. If we see some record-breaking highs like we did in 1967, after the brutally cold start in January ’67. We had record-breaking highs at two weeks off. They will say, see, this is climate change. And yet none of them are even looking at what I’m looking at now.
It’s the same thing with Harvey. When everybody was — you know, about the Eclipse on August 21st, I’m sitting there warning my clients and putting it out on Twitter, that this is a disaster coming for Texas.
Harvey wasn’t even upgraded to a depression at that time. And the very feature that captured Harvey was an anomalous cold trough that dug into Texas in response to patterns that had been setting up.
So here’s what I do: I do what my dad taught me. My dad is a meteorologist, graduated out of A&M in ’65. And he’s — you go back and look at what happened before and understand what happened before.
It’s no different than American history or history of the world or anything like that. You do it in the weather. You will have an advantage on looking going forward.
And what I think is going on now, and I call it climate ambulance chasing, is a perfect storm. It’s a perfect storm, all right, of Alinski tactics and Orwellian-type ideas about erase the past. And those that want to remind you of the past, you isolate, demonize, and destroy them. It’s political. It’s agenda-driven.
JOE: If it was science-driven — look, I have a lot of good friends on the other side of the argument. We sit down. We have a couple of glasses of wine, or whatever. And that’s that. It’s a 10-minute talk. You disagree, I disagree. Let’s go watch it. That’s that.
Most of those guys, meteorologists, a lot of them don’t agree with me.
But on the other side, they say, okay. Well, we’ll see how it turns out.
The other side — when you got zealots that are involved — and think about this.
Every day, folks, I have to fight the weather.
So every day I’m confronted, I get beat. Okay. There are times I get beat, and I remember my losses. But I learned that when you’re dealing with nature, an infinite and relentless opponent, the majesty of nature, the best you can get is a tie. You forecast what’s going to happen. It happens. Many times, it doesn’t.
So you get up and fight every day. No one is ever going to take the weather away from me. What happens if 30 years of your life and everything that you are associated with, that is your lifeline, what happens if that’s proven wrong? It has to be very, very difficult for someone on that side of the issue that has just staked his claim to that.
JOE: To actually look at it objectively. And in addition, it is a due considerate, an attack on them personally.
JEFFY: It sure is.
JOE: Because after all, they’ve personalized the entire issue. So it’s a very difficult playing field. And it’s the kind of thing that I really think that — you know, I have the so what attitude. If it is warming, okay? Whatever the cause, I have to deal with it and make the forecast from it.
I personally believe it’s because of the cyclical nature of the oceans, more water vapor in the air. Excess water vapor in the Arctic regions affects the air temperature much, much more than it does in other places.
That’s why we have these ratios, what we call mixing ratio charts, where you look at temperature and water vapor and the amount of water vapor contained in that certain temperatures in the air.
Now, we don’t have mixing ratio charts for — for CL2 temperature. Because it’s no relationship.
JOE: So how is it that you’re creating CO2 as a climate control knob, when there’s no visible relationship that a meteorologist or anybody can use, as far as, well, what if we inject this much CO2 into the system, what will the temperature do? It won’t do anything.
It’s not detectable. That’s why — do you realize when you’re sitting in an enclosed arena for two hours, the amount of carbon dioxide in the air goes up to 10,000 parts per million?
If you understand that, that what’s going on while you’re in there, people aren’t falling over. You know why? Because you exhale 100 times more carbon dioxide than you inhale.
And that’s the other interesting thing. I believe strongly in our Heavenly Father, okay? I have to ask myself this question, for some people on the other side of the issue that have the same feelings as me as that, why would animals be created to exhale 100 times more CO2 than they inhale?
Okay? Isn’t that just a suicide pact, okay? Whoever started all this?
The reason is because plants love this stuff. And that’s why the Earth is greener than it’s ever been in the satellite era. And we are growing foods.
You see the increased CO2 in the atmosphere is actually helping out with food production. So there’s a lot of moving parts here. But it simply comes down to, you’ve got to ask yourself, why would you believe someone that three weeks before didn’t tell us this was coming, waits till it comes, and then tell yous you after, as opposed to people that are out in front of it.
PAT: Yeah. And everything that happened, they predicted, even though years ago they predicted the opposite. They don’t — they don’t mention that at all.
JOE: No. Of course not. Again, it gets to Orwellian ideas.
Have you guys ever seen the movie Bananas?
JEFFY: A long time ago.
JOE: Okay. There’s a fantastic scene in there, where they’re flying troops into this banana republic that this movie is based on. And there’s a bunch of troops on one side. A bunch of troops on the other side. And they’re all American troops. They say, whose side are you fighting for?
One guy goes, well, we’re on the rebel side.
He goes, well, we’re on the other side.
And someone says, the State Department is taking no chances. We’re covering both sides.
It’s the same thing that these guys do. It’s no matter what happens, they have the right answer.
If it snows cheese in Dallas in a week, if it’s a cheese storm, there it is, it’s climate change.
PAT: It’s what we said was going to happen.
Yep. There’s just no doubt about it. And in An Inconvenient Truth, the original version, Al Gore said there were more frequent and intense hurricanes on the way, followed by 12 years of less frequent and less intense storms. We didn’t have a major hurricane during that time for something like ten or 12 years.
JOE: Yeah. You know what, though, here’s — we really — and I — look, I know this sounds pompous. If you follow me on WeatherBELL or if you follow me on Twitter, you saw these explanations before the fact. It’s why I predicted this year that we were going to end the major drought because we were in a pattern that happened before.
And part of — listen. Part of — I had this theory that the distortion of where it’s getting warm, it’s getting warmer in the arctic areas, it’s getting warmer basically where people don’t live.
JOE: When we say warm in the Arctic, it’s during their winter. The summers aren’t increasing. It’s the winters that are increasing because more water vapor in the air means that you have more cloud cover.
So it warms 4 or 5 degrees Celsius. That gets — so instead of being unbelievably cold, it’s unbelievably cold.
I mean, it’s crazy cold up there no matter what.
So what happens to this though? That decreases something. Everybody sit down. Called Zonal Potential Energy. What is Zonal Potential Energy?
It’s what drives the extremeties of the atmosphere. The difference between the cold in the North and the warm in the South, if you lessen that gradient, if you lessen that gradient, inherently, there will be less extremes.
I think that this also has an effect on the global wind oscillation and mean sea level pressures in the atmosphere, especially over land and during the summertime, which is distorting the — the tropics and actually leading to a downturn in the ACE Index. And that’s what you’ve been seeing. Accumulate cyclonic energy globally.
While we had this big season here, guys, guess what? It was the bottom five in the western Pacific. And, in fact, what I did was, I went back and linked 1933, 1950, 1995, 2005, 2010, all those years with similar tropical seasons. And, bang, it gave you the December forecast.
Because there was a hemisphere pattern set up similar in the summertime that would naturally evolve, that way into the winter.
JOE: But here’s the thing to take away: Look at what I’m looking at. Understand that I’m looking at the past, not erasing the past. And it’s aiding me in doing what I’m doing.
So in a way — what I think every climatologist should be made to forecast the weather, in the longer range, three to six weeks. I want you to do that for a year. Just practice on your own. And you will understand the inherent chaos in the system that will make you at least stop and think, well, maybe there is something different than what I’m pushing.
PAT: I love it.
WeatherBELL.com. Is that where people go to hear more? Learn more?
JOE: Yeah. That’s our site.
JOE: Now, not everybody at weatherBELL.com is like that. You know, we have a free and open company. We get into discussions that last five minutes. Then we go to the weather. That’s what we do.
But I’m also @bigJoeBastardi on Twitter. I’m supposed to every time I’m on the air mention that or something. I don’t know. Get some followers. So — hey, listen, I appreciate you guys having me on. I love coming on.
PAT: Yeah. We love to have you. Appreciate it.
JOE: Anytime, you want. I’m back. Remember something: No matter what the weather, enjoy the weather, it’s the only weather you’ve got.
PAT: Thanks, Joe. Appreciate it.
JEFFY: Thank you. Just ends nicely. Beautiful.
PAT: See, just ends nicely. Just ends nicely. Joe Bastardi. 888-727-BECK.