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‘Social Media Doesn’t Reward That’: Why Can’t Conservatives, Liberals Listen to Each Other?

How do we heal division in our country when we can’t even have conversations?

“I really feel one of the biggest problems is nobody’s listening at all,” Glenn said on today’s show while sitting down with Eric Liu. “Nobody feels heard right now.”

Liu, founder and CEO of Citizen University, leans liberal in his political views but has the same passion for bringing people together. He pointed out that we’ll have to be better than our political leaders if we want to reach across the aisle. We’re learning terrible habits from our political leaders and the way social media encourages extreme views.

“That’s a set of habits that nobody’s modeling for us in national politics,” Liu said. “Nothing in our daily lives rewards that. Social media doesn’t reward that.”

Listen to their full conversation on today’s show here:

This article provided courtesy of TheBlaze.

GLENN: So much to the, I think, chagrin of my friends and chagrin of his friends, we are friends, Eric Liu. He is the founder and CEO Of Citizen University. Also, the executive director of the Aspen Institute. Citizenship and American Identity Program.

He's -- he's from Seattle. I don't think I need to say anything else. He's from Seattle.

(laughter)

GLENN: So we don't necessarily agree on everything. But we have become friends because we both are trying to find sane ways to have conversations with each other and other people. Or we're doomed. We're doomed.

Welcome. How are you?

ERIC: Glenn, it's great to be back. It's great to see you.

GLENN: How is Seattle?

ERIC: It's beautiful. It's thriving. It's booming. You know, you grew up in the area.

GLENN: I know. I love it. I love it. I love it.

I don't think I would be welcomed there anymore. I don't think I was welcomed there ten years ago, let alone today.

ERIC: Well, we'll follow-up and bring you back together, and we'll do something in Seattle.

GLENN: Yeah, good. I would love to.

So would you agree with me that both sides, to one degree or another, have become unhinged on the extreme edges?

ERIC: Yeah. I think our politics today, and especially if you spend more than ten minutes on social media, it is about voices on the unhinged extremes.

GLENN: Yeah.

ERIC: And it's about this pattern that plays out over and over, where each extreme has to gin it up in order to feed the rage and the anger about the other side's extreme.

GLENN: Yeah.

ERIC: You know, that is our politics as it's mediated, you know, especially through social media. But I think -- you were talking about this before we went on-air. There is a broad swath of, you know, sane people. You know, interested bystanders. People who aren't super active in politics, super active in commenting on politics, who just want to understand each other, and who just want to fix stuff.

GLENN: Yeah.

ERIC: And some of them are as progressive as I am. And some of them are as Libertarian as you are. And many of them are all points in between. But they're not interested in the game-playing and the posturing that so much of national politics is about today.

GLENN: Yeah. I mean, I -- we're making everything about politics now. Absolutely everything is about politics.

And we're not going to survive. That's nuts.

The story today came out on sports -- sports illustrated. They just did a swimsuit issue, that doesn't have any swimsuits. All of the women are completely naked. And they're beautiful women. One is lying down naked, face up with the word "truth" painted on her rib cage. Another one is naked with "feminist" emblazoned on her arm. The other is the daughter of Christie Brinkley that is staring at the camera, laying on her side with the word "progress" written across her back. And they've put this -- this is -- I don't understand this. This is Sports Illustrated, a magazine for men, trying to say, see, we shouldn't objectify women. I don't understand that.

ERIC: Yeah. There's a lot that is great fundamentally about the Me Too movement and the fact that our society is waking up to shifting norms on what's okay when it comes to actually treating women with respect.

GLENN: I agree. I agree. I agree. Yes.

ERIC: But I do not look to Sports Illustrated as my moral guide on the objectification of women. Okay?

GLENN: How do we find a way -- and tell me what your feelings are on the people that, you know, on the -- on the dangers -- even Margaret at wood brought this up, the dangers of just these kangaroo courts, who are not even a kangaroo court. Just, you're guilty, and you're done if anybody accuses you.

ERIC: The danger is there. But I think actually as a society, we're navigate it right now. I mean, this is somewhat uncharted. Right? It's not like the society has tried before to have deep equity between men and women, on what -- who gets to harass whom. We've never done that before. We're having a society-wide reckoning.

Are there going to be cases where people abuse that -- the power that comes with that?

Sure. But are our institutions and are the leaders in our institutions fundamentally trying to reckon with that in good-faith? I actually think we are.

And even this kind of absurd Sports Illustrated cover is a sign that -- you know, one thing you can say about Sports Illustrated is they're trying to tune into the zeitgeist. They are aware of the market place, right? And they know the zeitgeist is, you got to be on the right side of the speech. Right?

GLENN: Yeah. Right. Right.

But if I did photos of naked women and put #metoo, I don't think I would get the pass that --

ERIC: Well, exactly.

GLENN: -- from either side, in my case. From either side.

STU: Yeah.

ERIC: The question is one of -- you know, in the law, they talk about standing. Do you have standing to make a case? Right?

During the Super Bowl, we all watched the ads and stuff. I didn't think Dodge Ram trucks had the moral standing to use an MLK speech about the dangers of commercialism to sell trucks. To me, that was -- and to lots of Americans, that was, you know what, message and messenger not aligned here.

GLENN: You mean the MLK message?

ERIC: Yeah. Yeah.

GLENN: So the MLK message -- may I present an opposite point of view. That's a sermon that most Americans have not heard, was really good. I agree with you that the images of the truck coming in, halfway in. You're like, okay. That's really -- you don't need that.

Just a simple Dodge at the end would have been perfect.

ERIC: Yeah. Yes. Would have been great.

GLENN: However, I have had more email on a monologue that I did on forgiveness, and I used that sermon the very next day. I've had more email on that from people who woke up. So, I mean, you can't necessarily reject it as universally bad that they did it. Because it did affect people.

ERIC: Well, look, I mean, Sports Illustrated was trying to do something like the right thing. But the equivalent would have been, had they had a cover -- if they said, this year's swimsuit issue, here's what it looks like. And it was a black cover that just said, we're taking some responsibility for feeding this culture in which women are treated like objects and which men feel they have permission to treat women like objects. We own a piece of that.

GLENN: And it would be the lowest selling Sports Illustrated.

STU: But that would be a powerful statement. Writing it on naked women's bodies doesn't seem quite as --

ERIC: It would be low-selling as a swimsuit issue. But the whole country would be talking about it. Would be talking about Sports Illustrated.

GLENN: Yeah, that's true. That's true.

So who have you found, Eric, I have been looking for a while, people like you, that we don't necessarily agree, but we can have really good conversations. And we can move things forward together.

ERIC: Uh-huh.

GLENN: Who have you found on the -- on the left or in the media that is really willing to do that?

ERIC: Hmm. You know, and I'm not sure if she's been a guest on your show, but my friend Neera Tanden --

GLENN: Nope.

ERIC: -- who runs the Center for American Progress.

Big, big progressive think tank, that I know you cross swords with. Right? But Neera is both able and willing to have conversations with anybody. And to have them in ways that aren't just the made for TV food fight, that are really trying to say, what's your deal? Right.

What are you getting at here?

GLENN: I really feel one of the biggest problems is nobody is listening at all.

ERIC: Yeah.

GLENN: Nobody feels heard right now.

Somehow or another, the left still controls most of the media. Doesn't feel heard. And the right now that they control the House and the Senate, they don't feel heard. And it's because nobody is -- nobody is actually -- I guess emoting what the average person is feeling right now. You know, we're all scared. It's amazing. I saw a YouTube video of a liberal talking about how afraid she was that Donald Trump was going to build concentration camps. And it was in a room -- probably had 1,000 people in it. And they were all like, yeah, yeah. And I remember, I debunked the lie about Obama making concentration camps. Because that was a big deal.

STU: A big conspiracy theory at the time.

GLENN: Big conspiracy. I was called a conspiracy theorist for debunking that conspiracy theory. And now the other side is feeling the same kind of fear that so many Americans did when they didn't trust the president. And I think this is a moment where we can wake up and say, see, this is why the president should never have this much power. The president should not be able to affect our lives, to the point to where we're afraid of him.

STU: Yeah.

ERIC: I actually agree with that. I think there's one lesson that people on the left are learning today, and that is the dangers of this imperial presidency. Right?

Which is not a Trump phenomenon or even an Obama phenomenon. It's been going back half a century at least, right?

GLENN: Been going for a long time, yeah, yeah.

ERIC: At least since World War II. Right? Concentration, power in the executive, right?

GLENN: Yeah.

ERIC: But I think you're -- I want to go back to something you were saying about listening and being heard, right?

We live in this time right now where there is -- and we've talked about this. There's so much pain. There's so much pain.

The segment you were doing right before the break, in which you were just speaking to a human, an individual about the pain they were feeling in their journey. And you were tying it to the pain that you have felt at various points in your journey, right?

That kind of conversation which is both about listening -- but it's about, I'm not just listening to the words you're saying and the points you're making. I'm trying to listen underneath, to the emotional currents there. That's a set of habits that nobody is modeling for us in national politics. And that we as citizens, frankly, it's gotten easier for us to shed those habits. Because nothing in our daily lives rewards that, right? Social media doesn't reward that.

GLENN: The media doesn't reward --

ERIC: The media doesn't reward that.

So we've actually got to build experiences where we see each other face-to-face again. You know, if we were having this conversation by phone, this would be different. But I'm looking you in the eye right now, Glenn. And I'm looking at you as you've spoken about these questions. And there's a human connection here. That I can't now just call you a nutjob and call you a this and call you a that. Like, we've connected on some level, right? It doesn't mean we're going to agree on the issues.

But it means I'm not going to demonize. And I think the deepest ill in our politics is how we've forgotten how to rehumanize each other.

GLENN: That's -- I just wrote a member of the press morning, a private conversation, that dealt with that. I said, we are -- we are calling each other subhumans, exactly the way the early, you know, 1920s Nazis were starting to. Train people that you're subhuman. If you don't agree with me, you're subhuman. And we're training each other that way.

But it doesn't -- social media is not the only one that doesn't reward it. Media doesn't reward it either. I mean, if you're not going to call somebody a nutjob or a Nazi. You don't win. And they don't put you on. And you, Stu -- was it you yesterday that said that you had seen somebody say, no, well, on the surface, this means X and X. And the guy was like, no. But that's -- can you tell the story?

STU: Yeah. It was an interview about some controversial comment that had gone on media. And they had brought someone on to kind of answer for it. And the typical kind of cable news back and forth. And that's essentially, when the person was pushing back against it. To say, yeah, but you got to admit on the service, it's an insult.

It's like, well, isn't the point here as human beings, that we go beyond the surface, that we think a little deeper about these things?

Because we can all get frustrated at the surface of it. We can all find the worst possible intent of a comment and turn it into something that is going to enrage our side. But that shouldn't be our goal.

GLENN: So, Eric, how do we do that?

ERIC: Well, it starts with something I actually want to give you guys credit for, which is, you got to put something at risk. Right?

When you started a couple years ago saying, I own my piece of how our politics and our political culture have gotten toxic. And I've decided I want to be part of the solution. I want to start reaching out and having conversations across certain divides, right? You put a bunch of stuff at risk.

You feel it acutely, right? You feel it every day. You put -- I don't have to name it. Right? It's not just about the business side of things and the listeners and the sponsors or whatever. I'm talking about reputational power and so forth, right? You put stuff at risk.

And I often ask myself and I ask my friends who are left of center, what are we willing to put at risk in order to change this politics? In order to go a little deeper, beyond the surface and beyond just this throwing of flames at each other? Right.

So number one, it's being willing -- and I want to name the fact that you all have started something and set in motion a different cycle of responsibility, taking rather than responsibility shirking with, right?

GLENN: Thank you.

ERIC: There is only one way to break the cycle of dehumanization and responsibility shirking, and that is to break it.

GLENN: Yeah.

ERIC: That is to say, you know what, I didn't start it. I'm not the one to blame. But darn it, I'm actually just going to say, I'm stopping right now, and I'm trying to change direction here. Go a little deeper. And rehumanize. And, yeah, I may pay some price for that. But this is a question of purpose.

STU: One of -- a famous poet said, we didn't start the fire.

GLENN: It was Billy Joel. Stop it.

ERIC: A poet. Yes, indeed.

(laughter)

GLENN: So what do your friends say to you, when you say, what are we willing to lose? What chip are we willing to put up?

ERIC: Let me tell you about something we've been doing at Citizen University. For the last year plus now, a year and a quarter, we've been doing these regular gatherings that we call civic Saturday. And these are basically a civic analogue to church. It's not church. It's not synagogue or mosque. But it's about American civic religion. Right? The stuff that you and I, civic nerds, are steeped in. Right? Understanding the language and the texts and what you might think of as civic scripture, whether that's from the declaration of the preamble or King speeches or Susan B. Anthony or whatever it might be, and understanding that we have all inherited this body of values and text and idea. And we do these gatherings with the Ark of the Faith gathering.

We sing together. You turn to the stranger next to you. You talk about a common question. There are readings of these texts.

There's a sermon that I've been giving. And then afterwards, there's more song. And then there's an hour afterwards where people kind of form up in circles and talk about, what are we going to do together? Right?

And I go to length to tell you about this, because number one, it's been amazing how people have responded to this. There is this need, across the left and the right, whether you are traditionally religious or not, there is this need in our political life for a space where we can come together and rehumanize, right?

Number one. Number two, when in that space, I've said to folks in these sermons what I've said here, which is, we've got to be willing to take risks. We've got to be willing to ask ourselves, what are we willing to put on the line?

And people are -- people sit there for a minute because they haven't been asked/challenged to do that in a long time, right? All of our political leadership is about, let me indulge you. Let me indulge your worst instincts. Let me indulge you. Not what can you do? And maybe even give up a little bit, in order to start solving the problem, right? And that leads to different kinds of conversations.

And, frankly, not all of them are about Trump or national politics. A lot of these conversations then come to life in our city, which is changing dramatically right now.

GLENN: That's what it should come down to in the first place.

ERIC: Yeah.

GLENN: Eric, we're going to continue our conversation at 5 o'clock tonight on the Glenn Beck Program. He has written a book, You're More Powerful than You Think. His name is Eric Liu. And we'll have more tonight at 5 o'clock. Make sure you join us on TheBlaze.com/TV.

WWII Pilot: What Hollywood Left Out from ‘Masters of the Air’ TV Series | Glenn TV | Ep 346
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WWII Pilot: What Hollywood Left Out from ‘Masters of the Air’ TV Series | Glenn TV | Ep 346

There’s a lesson or two (or 20) today’s younger generations could learn from the men and women who served in World War II. "America’s Greatest Generation" suited up, stared evil in the face, and they did what needed to be done to protect freedom ... often with zero complaints. "Saving Private Ryan" was the first depiction to come close to what WWII veterans truly experienced and then "Band of Brothers" and "The Pacific" did the same. But until recently, there wasn’t a similar production showcasing the heroes who spent much of the war in the sky. Finally, "Masters of the Air" is doing just that. One of the pilots who helped inspire the series, John "Lucky" Luckadoo, joins Glenn in-studio to share real-life war experiences with the Air Force’s "Bloody Hundredth" bomber unit that Hollywood will never be able to fully capture — like how pilots could barely breathe while flying the B-17 planes and the one aspect of war he chose never to focus on: "I worked my tail off," he says, rather than fixating on the reality that he may never make it home. Plus, "Lucky" gives a brutally honest answer on how he dealt with the psychological pressure of World War II, and he shares one part of the story of the "Bloody Hundredth" that Hollywood chose to leave out ...

What the Latest CPI Report & Soaring Gold Prices Mean for YOUR WALLET
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What the Latest CPI Report & Soaring Gold Prices Mean for YOUR WALLET

The price of gold just hit a new all-time high and that’s NOT a good sign. Plus, the CPI report for March has released and it revealed that inflation rose faster than expected yet again. But of course, the Biden administration is bragging about how gas inflation allegedly went DOWN. Financial expert Carol Roth joins to explain what the gold and CPI news means for your wallet, as well as why the White House’s data is “trash.” Plus, she reveals a new way that small business owners can vent their frustrations to Congress.

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GLENN: Carol Roth, I know we have a lot to talk about. So just quickly, I woke up this morning.

Looking at gold prices.

And it was kind of -- kind of impressed, on how they're skyrocketing. And I remember, a conversation with the gold guy.

Who said, don't ever, ever look at gold and say, gee. I hope it goes up because of my portfolio.

And we were talking about $3,000 an ounce. And he says, do you realize how crazy the world has to be, for gold to be at $3,000 an ounce?

It's over 2400 right now. We're headed there quickly.

CAROL: Yeah. You remember a discussion that I and I had with a group of people, I believe, in November of last year. When people were saying a similar thing. When is gold going to break out? And you and I were both communicate the idea that gold is really a hedge against all kind of insanity. Things like inflation. Things like the crumbling standing of the dollar. Things like war.

And so when you see that gold continues to rise. Even in the face of things like rising yields on bonds. I mean, normally, there's a lot of push back there. We saw that as bond yields had gone up.

People were moving away from gold. Because you weren't getting that same interest rate. You know, gold does not produce an interest rate. So there is a different reason why we are looking at gold. And some of the things that we're talking about are a bit more structural. Perhaps gold is playing a bigger role in things like settling international commodities. Trades. And trading between countries.

Particularly, the BRICS nations. But, again, all of the things that are the signals, none of them are good for us here in the United States.

You have the signal as, oh, well, it's just because trade. Well, that's not good for the US dollars reserve currency. And that's not good for, you know, inflation over the long term and our purchasing power.

And so all of these things have a mechanism. And when you see so much interest in gold over the past few months. When it has been very steady for -- for a while.

That breakout is giving you additional information. And like you said, this particular case, I think that information is coming from lots of different places. And not one of them is good.

GLENN: Oh, yeah. One of them is, we're hitting the point where our -- our debt, the interest on our debt is going to be 1.6 trillion dollars a year. That's more than Social Security.

It's the biggest. It will be the top line on our budget now, is just the interest. Because we have an adjustable mortgage in America.

And the fed, I think is out of bullets.

CAROL: Yeah. I've been making this argument now for a couple of years. That the fed's monetary policy isn't effective. Because they are -- they're trying to control, demand, and so many of the issues that we've had are on the supply side.

Additionally, we've been headed. And I think we are in today, this period of fiscal to me unanimous. And as we've talked about before, that just means, that fiscal policy plays a bigger role in what is determining economic outcomes and monetary policy.

On its face, that is sort of neutral physical dominance. In our particular situation, it's very bad. It's because of the debt. It's because of the deficits. And it's because of the fact, that we have it these massive interest payments. And continuing deficits, that need to be financed and are creating this vicious loop.

And as we know, there are -- there is not a lot of ways to finance the debt.

There certainly are not a lot of buyers. And we say that this week. There was a Treasury option, for ten-year Treasury notes, that did horribly. It was rated a D by (inaudible) CNBC, who was very, very smart.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

CAROL: D, by the way, I don't know if you know this. Is right next to F. So that is a very bad position, to be in.

GLENN: We've always been AAA, haven't we?

I mean, for ten years.

CAROL: So there's a debt rating. And that's done by the rating agencies. These are the bond options.

This is when the Treasury goes out to the market. And says, you know, how is it that, you know -- how did we do?

How many buyers were there? Who were -- who wanted to buy our debts?

And so this happens on a regular basis. And, you know, people who watch this. They give those auctions a grade. To say, how did we do?

Were there a lot of buyers? Not a lot of buyers.

So this particular time, there were not a lot of buyers. And the banks and the security dealers. Had to stock up a lot of that debt.

It's pushing us to this path of monetization. Again, that we've been talking about. That means, we're buying our own debt. And that is inflationary.

So even if we're not getting things like rate cuts, that potentially could stoke inflation. You're going to get this monetization of debt, which is inflationary. Which is why I've been arguing that inflation is sticky. And it doesn't matter if the fed goes high or low.

It's getting us on either side, until the government gets its act together. They are driving the show. It is that fiscal dominance.

GLENN: Tell me about the Consumer Price Index.

And the wholesale index. The numbers don't make sense.

For instance, fuel is not an inflation -- isn't in inflation right now? Look at the price of fuel. What do they mean?

CAROL: So you know who loves the data coming out of the government right now, Glenn?

GLENN: The government.

CAROL: Oscar the Grouch. You know why? Because the data is trash. It's absolutely trash data.

Not only have we seen adjustments on a regular basis.

The scope of which, we have not seen in a long time.

The numbers always get adjusted. But we have not seen these massive adjustments, that we have been seeing.

We also have a phenomenon, where people and entities, who are responding to the surveys. Where they collect the data, don't want to do that anymore.

Either they don't want to be board.

They don't trust the government with their data. Whatever it is.

They don't want to give up their competitive advantage.

They're having fewer people respond to these surveys. Which means that there is more of this projection and biases in the survey. So that's why we saw, you know, the CPI, which is the Consumer Price Index. That's where they go out and they survey households, that came in, higher than expected.

We all expected that it would be an uptick. Because as you said, we know the price of oil and other commodities would be going up. So this was not a surprise to any of us who live in the real world.

So that was somewhat reflected in that data. And certainly, the -- the market had reacted to that, and said, oh, well, if that's the case. The fed can't cut. Then we have another measure of inflation.

Because they measure it in different ways. This is the producer price index. PPI. Which is the wholesale measure of inflation. This is what they're supposed to tell you what's coming. Because the inputs that go into your goods and services give you a sense of what is coming down the pike.

And this was the one that was the head scratcher. Because it was not -- there's a huge disconnect between these two measures always. But even a bigger disconnect. The one as you said, everybody is going, what's going on here? Related to energy.

So floating around on social media yesterday, there was a chart about the season 58 adjustments. Again, the manipulation of the data that they do. And if you look at that, it showed you that gasoline for the month, was down 3.6 percent. I think it was.

But if you did it --

GLENN: Yeah. 3.6.

So if you didn't seasonally adjusted. It would have been up 6.3 percent.

That's a really big swing. That's like a 10 percent swing, between the two of them.

So, again, Oscar the Grouch data here, certainly we're going to get another measure in a couple of weeks here. One called the PCE. The personal consumptions expenditures index. This is the fed's, quote, unquote, favored measure.

I don't know. Maybe they like the people who do it better. It's a little bit more broad. That's what they tend to make their policy decisions on.

But the media and everybody is focused on the CPI. So it makes it very difficult for them. Or at least adds another layer of difficulty. Because they will do whatever it is, that they want to do.

When that is going up, for them to say, well, inflation is under control.

We can go ahead, and start to cut interest rates. Which is why I think everybody needs to be paying attention, to their other tools.

Which relate to the balance sheet and debt. And what they're going to do there. Because that's just a different way for them to be cooperatively.

GLENN: They're not going to do anything. They're not going to be doing anything. I mean, he's not addressing inflation. Biden is spending more.

He's now, again, forgiving more at the time. Trying to get people into houses.

I mean, he is -- we're just giving away the store at this point.

LEE: They have -- we have been saying this since day one. They've been working in the opposite direction. If you wanted to help the fed get inflation under control at the government, you should have been working with them.

You should not have been running up leftists. You've been doing. Putting into place, policies that help supply issues, instead of hurting supply issues.

Every single thing this administration has done, has been a barrier, not only to you keeping your wealth and your purchasing power. But what it is, the fed has been doing.

And that's the fight that the fed has been having.

And I just think, at some point, they're going need to be real explicit. And say, we can't do anything. Until our partners get on the same page.

But, you know, everything is political.

GLENN: It doesn't happen. That's not going to happen.

CAROL: Yeah, not going to happen.

GLENN: When we come back, she actually has been invited to be somebody who testifies in front of Congress.

Carol Roth, in front of Congress, testifying as an expert, by the end of the month. On small businesses. And she's going to be talking about the FinCEN thing that's going on with LLCs and small businesses.

Where you have to register all this information, or you're a criminal.


CAROL: Yeah.

GLENN: And it's going to devastate small businesses. Small LLCs. And it affects so many people. She will be testifying.

But here's the good news. She wants to use information, that maybe you have.

To back up her testimony.

And we'll talk about that in 60 seconds.

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No. I think our banks are fine.

Everything is doing really well. Just a quick update. The AT&T Tower in St. Louis went for $3.55 million. That's a good, solid $2 a square foot. Sold for $3 million. It was sold for over 205 million, just about 15 years ago.

So no. There's nothing to see here. Nothing to see here. Carol, let's talk about small business.

CAROL: Yes.

GLENN: Take me through. In case people don't know what FinCEN is. Or what people are requiring them to do.

This is the criminal arm of the Treasury. And they're asking everybody who has an LLC or a small business to register.

CAROL: Yes. So this is called the CTA, BOI rule.

And basically, what it said, and this was passed by Congress.

Was vetoed by President Trump. And then they went back, and Congress overturned the veto, and gave this arm of the Treasury, which is charged with preventing financial crimes. Sort of free rein.

And they said, okay. We will create a database. And if you have any sort of entity, if you have an LLC, even a single member LLC, an S-Corp, a C-Corp, any sort of entity, and you're a business. You need to register with us. The financial crimes enforcement network. Because we want to prevent money laundering and cartels. And, of course, you know, I'm sure all of those people are going to self-report.

But they exempted.

GLENN: All the best cartels do.

CAROL: They all do. Well, we will do these things. We will make sure that FinCEN gets euro information.

They exempted all the big businesses. So this is unfairly targeting small businesses, so the updates. A few things that are what are happening. And we can certainly go more into this. I have been invited by the house. Small business committee, to be an expert, to testify and, you know, obviously testify against this. And how bad this is for small businesses.

And how unconstitutional at the end of the month.

What I am doing is I am bringing statements from small business owners. Because it's great to hear my statement. But if I can show up there, and say, I have hundred. Or 200 small businesses.

And here's what they have to say about this. And they're all outraged.

That holds a lot more weight.

So anyone who owns a small business. You support small business. Go to CarolRoth.com/CTA. That's CarolRoth.com, slash, Charlie Tango Alpha. And I made it really easy. I have given it a form letter, that if you want, you can borrow some of it. You can borrow all of it. You can borrow none of it, but I am going to show up at Congress with this staff from small business owners to say, you have heard what I have had to say.

Now, listen to what small business owners from across the nation, have to say, to try to get them to overturn this.

GLENN: Now, could I -- because today is not the day for me to write something. Because I'm in a very bad mood.

But I could -- could I just write to you and say, yeah. Here's what I would like to say to Congress.

I'm working my ass off, so I can keep my family afloat. And the families of all my employees, and you guys are just making my life more and more difficult, with more and more restrictions and -- and guidelines.

That nobody in Congress passed.

And are not good for the American people.

I've had it!

CAROL: Please do. Again, CarolRoth.com/CTA. Please do that. And I actually think being in a bad mood is a good time to write it, because that's when you will be honest. And that's when you will --

GLENN: I will write today then.

CAROL: Yeah. And so -- and speaking of helping, so one of the things that you did, that was very generous, Glenn. You offered to put forth a lawsuit. And I agreed. We cannot do that. Because we have been outspoken. But the good news is that there are two new lawsuits against this, that have also popped up. So we have a lot of really good momentum. And appreciative to you, for all of your help.

GLENN: Okay. Okay. So give me the address again. It's CarolRoth.com/CTA. Correct?

CAROL: Correct.

GLENN: Okay. CarolRoth.com/CTA. If you're a small business owner, go ahead.

Vent a little bit. You will take it to Congress. Thanks, Carol.

Why the Elites WANT You to Be POOR
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Why the Elites WANT You to Be POOR

Elites, especially on the Left, always say they want to help the poor…but then, they turn around and sell out blue collar workers while encouraging illegal immigration! In fact, economic turmoil is making MORE people poor. But that’s exactly what they want, argues “Second Class” author Batya Ungar-Sargon. She joins Glenn to make the case that the elites “want everybody to be poor because they control the college-educated and the poor…that’s how the Democrats win.” Plus, she explains what the working class actually wants, and it sounds a lot like a certain presidential candidate…

Transcript

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GLENN: Batya, welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. How are you?

BATYA: Oh, man. Thank you so much for having me back, Glenn!

It's a pleasure to be here with you.

GLENN: You bet. You bet. So I have been saying for a while now, as I'm looking at what the western world, the elites are doing to their own countries.

And our own civilization. They are impoverishing people. They are giving our stuff away, to other people.

And I mean that in Europe and here where -- where illegals are just permeating the country. And the jobs are going there.

They're -- they're disarming us. They're -- they're selling us, bound and gagged to our foe, it feels like.

Is that what's happening?

BATYA: Yeah. Yeah. 100 percent. Glenn, you have been on this for such a long time. Because you're so clear-eyed about this. There has been a massive plunder of the middle class by the elites. First, they shift good manufacturing jobs overseas to build up China and Mexico's middle class.

Then they said, they're not coming back, right?

We're never going to get those jobs back. If you want the American dream. You will have to go to college. Where you'll become a card-carrying Democrat. Right? And now they opened the border and brought in 15 million illegal migrants from failed socialist states just to undercut the wages in the jobs that remained here.

And it's because fundamentally, to the elites. There is no difference between working class and poor.

They want everybody to be poor because they control the college educated and the poor. That is why they're trying to get everybody out of the middle class, and either into the college credentials. You know, leftist elites or to make them poor.

Because that's how the Democrats win.
GLENN: While I've never heard that opinion before, I think, where they were intentionally doing it because they can control the poor.

BATYA: Yeah. Absolutely. Otherwise it makes no sense, right? Where does the contempt from the working class come from. Where does this plunder come from? Why did they sell out labor?

Remember, the Democrats used to -- to making working class people poor, with these policies, that you talk about all the time, Glenn.
Opening the border. Bringing in massive, massive amounts of competition for the working class.

Like, who would do such a thing, right?

And it's not on accident, Glenn.

Of course, this is all intentional. Joe Biden showed up on day one.

To the executive Trump orders. Which secured the border.

Which would sun do that on purpose, if they didn't want that before?

GLENN: Well, it's amazing to me that the labor unions were part of it. The Democrats were for labor, you say. They were always -- they did seem to represent the working class much more. But it was their love of the labor unions.

The labor unions are still with them. As they are helping them dismantle American jobs.

BATYA: 100 percent. And I think that's why, you see only 6 percent of the private sector is unionized. Working-class Americans, they may want the wages and the protections that unions can get their members.

But they see the unions, actively supporting the party and the policy, of importing their competition.

And so, they don't see a future for themselves, in the labor unions. And, you know, Joe Biden likes to say, he's the most pro-union president to ever rule. Maybe that's true. But the unions themselves, are no longer able to represent their actual members.

GLENN: Correct.

BATYA: I have to say, I thought it was great that Trump met with the teamsters. And he got a donation for the RNC from the teamsters.

Because it shows that the teamsters are listening to the rank-and-file. Who, of course, prefer Trump.

GLENN: So you say, that the working class, in America.

Is super diverse.

But united on the policies, that they think would Mike their lives better.

And you say, that is true, whether you're Republican or Democrat.

Where is that unity on policy?

What are those policies?

BATYA: Right. For my book, second class. How the elites betrayed America's working men and women.

I traveled around the country for a year, interviewing working class Americans of all races, all backgrounds and religions. And many, many, many different industries. Totally across the country. And what I found was so much more unites them than divides them.

First of all, polarization, a totally elite phenomenon. And I know your listeners know this. Because I know you have a strong working class listenership.

They know, that they would never hate their neighbor, just because they happen to vote for another party.

They hate both parties, by the way. You know, there is a lot of contempt for the elites in the political class, who love to go to Washington and fight with each other, pretend they're fighting with each other.

While both parties turn their backs on labor.

Here's what I found was the most common view.

So I met a lot of people. Including a lot of Christians. Who had a gay person in their life, who they wanted to be treated with respect. But they were extremely worried about the transgender agenda.

I met a lot of people who were really unhappy about how much welfare there is. And new people who were scamming the system.

And they were very frustrated by that. But they also really didn't like that corporations seemed to them, to be, you know, against their interests.

And that they -- there was so much support for corporations. And not for them.

They were very against immigration. Most of the people, I interviewed.

Including the Democrats, wanted something like a total moratorium on immigration. But they also felt like there should be some sort of government backed -- catastrophic health care.

They couldn't stand the idea that they work with their hands and do physical labor, and they can't afford good health care. So you see how their views are sort of united?

The working class, but neither party really aligns with those set of views.

GLENN: So how come -- because you would say, I don't want to make this into a partisan thing.

I think I have to. When you're looking at Donald Trump, that describes him, respect for gay people.

You know, he is -- he is -- he is the first person to ever have gay people openly speak at the convention.

He's very open to that.

But he is also -- doesn't want to be harmful to transgender people. But is against all of this craziness.

When it comes to -- the -- the -- they're very much against immigration.

That's huge. And that's Donald Trump. How is it that you don't see Democrats looking at some of these big, big items. And say, okay.

Well, clearly, this side is -- is totally against everything I really believe in.

How about the Democrats?

BATYA: Oh, we're definitely -- we're definitely seeing that. Trump is now polling at 35 percent of black men. He's going to get much more than that.

So 2020, he got -- he was polling at 8 percent of black men, and he got 18 percent.

He's now polling at 35 percent of black men. He has the majority of Hispanics polling for him. We're seeing a mass defection of working class people of color, away from the Democrats who are actively undermining them and their future towards Donald Trump.

I will tell you something else, Glenn.

Donald Trump is the consensus candidate, that Joe Biden pretended he will be. You're so right.

His entire agenda is right at the 50-yard line. It's where 70 percent of the Americans are. And 0 percent of the elites. So we are seeing mass defection from the Democrats to Donald Trump. In the working class. And we're seeing the elites, you know, the Nikki Haleys, G.O.P. elites will probably vote for Joe Biden.

That's the political realignment that we're seeing. The rich are moving towards the Democrats. Or have moved to the Democrats. Including conservative rich people. I bet you. We know that Wall Street gave more money to Joe Biden, than they did to Donald Trump.

That's not an accident. I think you're completely right about that.

GLENN: Well, not all rich people support Joe Biden. I want you to know that.

GLENN: So the elites, at what point do you think we break through the ice, on people realizing, that it's not Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

That it is truly, the elites against -- you know, people who say, hey. Can you pay attention to us in America?

First, can you just -- can you not continue to just put me under water. When are we going to break the lie that, and stop playing the left/right game. And realize, it's these people who think they're better than us. That are just trying to put their foot on our neck, all the time.

BATYA: I think this election is going to come down to the working class.

And I think it will become totally unignorable after that. The question is: What happens after that?

These working class people aren't voting for the Republicans. They are voting for Donald Trump. And if the G.O.P. wants to keep these voters, they have to stop pushing tax cuts over everything else. And they have to start listening to the working class. I interviewed 100 people, and 25 of them are quoted at great length in my book, second class.

You want to hear how working class people, who agree with you, about woke. And agree with you about conservative values.

But very much need an economic agenda. They need the G.O.P. to stop pimping them out, on the altar of the woke ideas, that they agree with.

But that, you know, tickle the pickle of the conservative elites, right?

And start creating an economic agenda, for the working class. The first party, that gets to that combination of house care, plus controlling immigration, is going to have a ruling majority.

GLENN: Hmm.

Batya, thank you so much for being on.

The name of the book, again, is really all about everything that we're doing, right now. Everything you're feeling right now. It's called Second Class.

Batya, thank you so much.

Democrat’s INSANE Claims About the Moon & Sun BREAK Glenn’s Brain
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Democrat’s INSANE Claims About the Moon & Sun BREAK Glenn’s Brain

We have a new contender for “most insane thing a politician has said.” While speaking to high school students, Democratic Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee claimed that the moon gives off energy, is made of gas, and because of that, might not be possible to live on. She later insisted that she misspoke and was talking about the sun … BUT she also stated that it’s “ALMOST impossible to go near the sun” because it’s too hot. Glenn and Pat review these … interesting … claims, as well as Rep. Jasmine Crockett’s latest argument for reparations.

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PAT: You know, you've been pretty hard on our representatives in Congress today. I think unfairly so. Unfairly so.

GLENN: Unfairly so. Unfairly so. Okay.

PAT: Because they're doing some solid things too.

GLENN: Really? Are they?

PAT: Maybe not the ones who are on the take on the insider trading.

GLENN: Right. Which is about 75 percent of them.

PAT: But other 30 percent, they're on the job.

GLENN: The other 30 percent.

PAT: They're educating Americans. Sheila Jackson Lee was out speaking to high school kids, for instance. And she was talking about the moon. You know, because the moon was just in front of the sun and blocked it for a while. So I think she had some interesting facts on the moon.

GLENN: Oh. Really? On the eclipse. And the moon.

Really? Okay. Here she is.

VOICE: Provide unique light and energy, to say that you have the energy of the moon at night.

And sometimes you've heard the word "full moon. Sometimes you need to take the opportunity just to come out and see, a full moon is that complete rounded circle, which is made up mostly of gases.

GLENN: What?

VOICE: That's why the question is why or how could we as humans live on the moon.

PAT: Right.

VOICE: And the gas is such, that we could do that.
(laughter)

VOICE: The sun is a mighty powerful heat. It's almost --

PAT: Almost. Almost impossible.

VOICE: -- impossible to go near the sun. The moon is more manageable.

PAT: Yeah.

VOICE: And you will see in a moment -- not a moment, you will see in a couple of years, that NASA is going back to the moon.

PAT: Right.

GLENN: With all that gas?

PAT: Yeah. Well, yeah, because it's manageable. And it's a gas such that, you can stand on it.

GLENN: You can stand on the gas.

PAT: Almost like the gas was a solid.

GLENN: But it's not.

PAT: It's not. It's gas.

GLENN: Okay. So it's not -- now, see, I'm learning a lot here.

It's not impossible to stand --

PAT: No. But almost, on the sun.

GLENN: On the sun. Yeah. Right? When you go there, you'll be uncomfortable, if you try to live there, on the sun.

GLENN: I've been to places where it's hot before.

PAT: Right. It will just be a little hotter than that.

GLENN: A little hotter than that.

PAT: Big deal. Big deal.

GLENN: An air conditioner. Okay.

So I didn't know -- because I thought it was impossible to stand on gas.

PAT: Yeah.

GLENN: You know what I mean?

PAT: Yeah. She's saying that this gas is such that it's possible, to live there, and to stand there. Yeah. Because we already have, obviously.

GLENN: And hang on just a second. What was that full moon, thing?

PAT: Yeah. It's like a full circle. When you see the entire circle. The round thing in -- orb, in the sky. That's the full --

GLENN: You're not supposed to look at that round orb in the sky.

PAT: No. That's okay to look at. Its energy is such that --

GLENN: Oh. The moon's energy.

PAT: The moon's energy. And the moon's light.

It's a pretty good light.

GLENN: It's more of a night light.

It's kind of nice.

PAT: Yes. I don't think she understands the moon doesn't have its own light. I don't think she knows that.

GLENN: I don't think she knows that either. I don't think she thinks.

PAT: It's awesome. Is that incredible? Wow!

GLENN: Gas.

PAT: Yeah. The moon. Gas.

GLENN: You know what, could you play that again?

Because notice, no one laughs.

PAT: Right. Because she is not joking.

GLENN: I'm not sure -- right. I know. But no one laughs. I'm not sure anyone in the audience knows she was wrong.

VOICE: Provide unique light and energy. So that you have the energy of the moon at night.

GLENN: No, you don't.

VOICE: And sometimes, you've heard the word "full moon."

PAT: You've heard that, yeah?

VOICE: Sometimes you need to take the opportunity just to come out and see, a full moon is that complete rounded circle, which is made up of mostly gases.

PAT: Right. Right. No.

VOICE: That's why the question is why or how could we as humans live on the moon.

GLENN: We don't.

VOICE: The gas is such that we could do that.

GLENN: We don't.
(laughter)

VOICE: It's almost --

PAT: No. Almost.

VOICE: -- impossible, to go near the sun.

PAT: Impossible. Almost. But not --

VOICE: And you will see in a --

GLENN: I -- I --

VOICE: You will see in a couple of years, that NASA is going back to the moon.

PAT: Okay.

GLENN: The gas. With the gas.

PAT: Yes. To stand on the gaseous moon, so it's going to be cool to see.

GLENN: Wow. Wow. So how much gas do we get from the moon?

I mean, it must cost Exxon a lot to get the gas to the pump. Or is there a way, do we have a hose running from the pump?

PAT: To get a gas from the moon to here?

It's a pipeline. It's a pipeline from the moon.
(laughter)
She has been representing her district in Houston, Texas, for over 30 years. It's -- wow. She should never talk about space, ever again. Or anything else, for that matter.

GLENN: But definitely not space.

PAT: She was at NASA, and asked them while she was doing a tour of NASA, about whether or not you could still see the American flag that was planted on Mars. That was the -- like late '90s or early 2000s.

GLENN: We didn't plant one.

PAT: No, we didn't.

GLENN: We've never been -- wait a minute. That's new. I knew we didn't bring a flag.

PAT: Didn't bring a flag. God forbid. We forgot the flag, and then we forgot to put the human on Mars. So, yeah. There was no human on Mars.

GLENN: Right. We forgot to put the human on board too. Who was responsible for that?

PAT: In years.

GLENN: We landed a ship down there. And nobody was on board.

PAT: Pathetic.

GLENN: Did it slip into the gas?

PAT: No. Not on Mars. What are you, stupid?

PAT: Not on Mars. It's the moon that's gas.

GLENN: Right. Mars is cheese.
(laughter)
How do you get that butt stupid?

PAT: I don't know. I really don't know.

GLENN: Seriously. How could you -- because if you were sitting in a meeting. Now, imagine this.

Okay?

You've been to meetings where you're like, this person is a moron. But you're doing work. There's something that you have to -- I just -- you just have to plow through it. You have to get through it. You're selling this person, something. Whatever it is, you're doing for a living.

And you're sitting in that meeting. And they say something stipend. And you just have to go.

PAT: Hmm, yeah. Huh.

GLENN: Huh. And you just move on, right?

PAT: Yeah. Yeah.

GLENN: I don't think I would have the human restraint.

PAT: No. No way.

GLENN: To sit in a room, and have her say, and, you know, that's the full circle. And it's mainly gas. I don't -- I don't think I could do it. I think this is a really -- don't do this, kids. Because Jesus would not have done this. But I'm telling you, I probably would have. I probably would have played with her like a mouse and a cat. I probably have been like, wow. Really? Gas? What kind of gas is that? I think I would have --

PAT: That is such that you can land on it, and live there? I would like to know. Yeah.

GLENN: Yeah. And so this gas, does it have any air in it? Or is it just oxygen?

PAT: Or is it like a -- like a really hard gas, like a rock gas? Sort of thing. Is it that?

GLENN: Well, I know we brought some dust back. So we know it's a dusty gas. Oh, I couldn't do it.

PAT: Wow. That is --

GLENN: Speaking of representatives in Houston. Let me give you this. This is from the black lawyer's podcast. Which I listened to all the time.

This is Texas Democrat representative jasmine Crockett.

PAT: She is really good too.

GLENN: Is she?

PAT: Yeah.

GLENN: She is suggesting now that black Americans shouldn't necessarily have to pay any taxes. Here she is.

VOICE: Just this past week, I don't remember, which celebrity. But it was actually a celebrity.

And I said, I don't know that it's necessarily a bad idea. I would have to think through it a lot. One of the things that they propose is black folk not have to pay taxes for a certain amount of time, because then again, that puts money back into your pocket.

But at the same time, it may not be as objectionable to some people about actually giving out dollars. But obviously, you start dealing with the tax brackets, and things like that. And that's one of the reasons that we argue, that reparations made sense.

PAT: Uh-huh. That's powerful. Isn't that a powerful point?

GLENN: I so want to ask her about the moon.