BREAKING: Obama carves out legitimate religious exemption in Obamacare

Oh, no…not for Catholics.  Of course not.  But, congratulations if you are someone who happens to be Amish!  (Why are you reading this online anyway?)

 

In case you missed it, one of the absurdly stupid arguments coming from the Obama administration on the violation of religious freedom they’ve been finessing the past few weeks with Catholics and birth control, goes like this:

 

Jay Carney: “The issue here is giving employers the right to deny women — to deny women — access to preventive services, including contraception free of charge.  So essentially, this bill or these bills would give any employer the right to deny the women who work for them contraceptive coverage.  That’s dangerous and it is wrong.”

 

To translate:

If you let Catholic related organizations offer insurance plans that don’t include the things they find morally repugnant, you are giving license to all businesses to limit access to the basic human right of birth control, and women’s health…and…and…other stuff…or something.

 

Sure, we just found out that this “right” existed approximately two weeks ago, and you could point out that the products that make up this “right” have only existed for a few decades of all of human existence.  It’s the equivalent of calling high speed internet a “right”, which they also do.

 

But, lost in the back and forth over religious freedom is the fact that the Obama administration does believe in religious freedom.  It just apparently prioritizes the religious freedom of the Amish, Mennonites, and Hutterites, above Catholics and others.  Why?  People forget, there is a religious conscience exemption built right into Obamacare.  You can read about the details from Snopes here, as they discuss an email that went around claiming that Muslims would be exempt from Obamacare (most likely not true.)  But, it appears that the Amish will be exempt—raising an interesting question that somebody should get the Obama administration to answer:

 

If religious conscience can get the Amish out of Obamacare completely, why can’t religious conscience get Catholics out of providing the pill?

 

*Update: It’s implied above, but maybe it’s important to point out more overtly:  according to the argument made by the Obama administration, the Amish have their access to women’s health and preventative care limited by Obamacare.  How dare they?


  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GYAIY5FTUOKABSW4AQCWA4Y4GA GringoLingo

    Much as I enjoy a drive through Amish country, I can’t shake the feeling that even though they are religious, they are also maybe just a tad dishonest.  Example, I see delivery trucks from a business located in a small town not far from where I live, making deliveries to Amish businesses. These Amish businesses claim their products are made from scratch, home made all natural etc. Pie filling squeezed from a plastic bag into a frozen pie shell is not made from scratch, homemade, natural or old world healthy!   Amish is more of a marketing tool than it is a religion.

  • Anonymous

    I know why, They pay cash on the barrel head for all services rendered to them at the time of service. It’s one of their laws. Obam-bam didn’t want to bring up the amount of people that pay that way, including me.

  • Anonymous

     They use plastic and freezers and off site staging of their products, it is how they can still work collectively. Don’t forget, the Feds are jack-booting them harder than the rest of us right now. Look for stories on the USDA’s concerted efforts to shut their way of life down. These people should be thought of as a National Treasure”, their lifestyle would be the model to bring us all out of the mire. The Feds see them as an escape hatch for the free American man. They have never given up their powers to the State, they are our Constitutional example to get it all back. Please be careful of whom you distrust, your life could someday depend on it.

  • Anonymous

     Toss a FDA search in there too…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joey-Wilhelm/49702598 Joey Wilhelm

    Just imagine if the US government passed and signed a law requiring all restaurants to serve bacon on their menu. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VSZBGXS4SLZ6BJBTWPMTPBKZZI BanjoGOD

    my music business in now Amish.

  • TylerDurden

    Catholic organizations have employees who are not Catholic. The Catholic Church has no right to deny them preventative health care through their insurance if they are not members of their church.

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  • Anonymous

    These people you are talking about Tyler, that are not so called Catholic, really don’t have to work for these Catholic organizations. If it goes against the beliefs of the Church then they can say no to anything that violates that. Like I said before these people don’t have to work there.   

  • TylerDurden

    Have you ever been to South Bend, Indiana?

  • Anonymous

    @Tyler The Church has every right to deny anything they want, they are a private employer; no one is compelled to work for them. And while we’re at it, please think through why you buy the concept that contraceptives are “preventative health care.” Preventative health care addresses conditions which have a potential to making people ill. Pregnancy is not an illness, in fact, it’s an indication that a woman’s reproductive system is perfectly healthy. I like the fact that as a public we are constantly told to “stay out of my bedroom” … that’s fine with me, as long as at the same time you don’t expect me to buy your supplies or pay for your consequences. 

  • Anonymous

     So… just because South Bend has a major employer who is Catholic, you think that that employer should be compelled to provide birth control for their employees?  The employees are still allowed to go buy it on their own.  There are other religious colleges who are allowed to force their employees to sign a morality clause (can’t be gay, can’t live with someone else out of wedlock).  You have a choice of working there or not.  If you can’t find another job, get outta South Bend.  There are other towns in which to work.

  • Anonymous

    If you don’t like the wage or benefits offered by any job for which you apply or hold, don’t take or quit the job!!!  That’s the way it’s been ever since people have worked for each other, privately or “in business.”  You as the employee can control your life completely, but, YOU pay the consequences of YOUR decisions. No employee has a right to expect their demands to be met–that’s the juggernut of unions!  “You are the owner, but I’ll tell you what you will pay me and my benefits”–no way!  Only dolts have to represened by a union, real employees can stand on their own two feet, negotiate and make decisions for themself.

  • TylerDurden

    Certain birth control pills have been proven to effectively reduce the risk of ovarian cancer. I would call that preventative health care. Aren’t these Catholic organizations paying these employees? They could be funding far worse things than contraceptives.

  • Anonymous

    Could be, but don’t want to, that is their prerogative. How about if you start a business, and I as your employee, demand you buy me condoms, would you buy me condoms for my own use? It’s the same principle, how do you not see this? Eating right has been proven to reduce ALL cancers, how about I start demanding you provide me only organic food, for free, because it is for my health after all. 

  • TylerDurden

    Either way, Notre Dame is “buying” the contraception, either through pay or through insurance. Most Americans feel that ALL employers should provide insurance that covers contraception. If you don’t want to use contraception, don’t. But employers have no right to force their will on employees’ medical decisions.

  • Anonymous

    who gives a chite what “most american’s think?” LOLOL you think the money falls down from the sky dufus?

  • Anonymous

    Yeah Tyler, just move out of South Bend. What is the big deal? Or start your own business, and set up a contraception dispensing station in your backroom for your employees, that is your business, your right. How do you not understand how damaging this is to our liberties? And not just our religious liberties. Governmental abuses always start with one targeted group of people, and start spreading the abuse from there. Value your liberty more, by fighting for the liberties of those with whom you disagree. 

  • Anonymous

    Tyler, you’d make a perfect union boss. 

  • TylerDurden

    Americans disagree with you. If individual employers got to choose what benefits you get through your insurance, chaos would ensue.

  • TylerDurden

    Why do you follow me and bother to post to me? You just run away and hide like a coward after insulting me. Are you jminwash or Aaron from TRP? You act the same. Grow up.

  • Anonymous

    speaking for “American’s” now? LOLOL

  • TylerDurden

    It does not damage your liberties. Contraception would be provided through insurance. So what? Don’t use it if it bothers you. Insurance premiums would possibly go down if more people used contraception, since pills cost far less than covering pregnancies, deliveries, etc.

  • TylerDurden

    Polls show that Americans are on Obama’s side as far as this issue goes.

  • Anonymous

    Affordable health care has been a LAW for 40 years, Title X ring a bell sheep?

  • Anonymous

    BS, polls show that the MAJORITY want the HCB repealed ; )

  • http://www.facebook.com/erica.claggett Erica Claggett

      Amish people also hire non-Amish to work for them.  Just sayin’ . . .

  • Anonymous

    LOL … I don’t think so, and I don’t even care. No one has a right to infringe on someone’s religious liberties. Remember the Mayflower and all dat? Yeah … look it up. 

  • TylerDurden

    I have never seen a non-Amish person working for the Amish. I live about a hours drive from Amish communities.

  • Anonymous

    Sure it damages my liberties, because *I* (the employer) have to pay for it, and it violates my religious beliefs.  

  • TylerDurden

    On contraceptive coverage, 65 percent of voters in the poll said they supported the Obama administration’s requirement that health insurance plans cover the cost of birth control, and 59 percent, said the health insurance plans of religiously affiliated employers should cover the cost of birth control.

  • Anonymous

    totally debunked poll ; )

  • Anonymous

    and OF COURSE if you ask someone if they want something for free they’ll say HE!! YES! LMAO BUT intelligent folks know, NOTHING in life is free is it?

  • TylerDurden

    From your post:
    “In approximately 75% of U.S. counties, there is at least one clinic that receives Title X funds and provides services as required under the Title X statute.”

    Americans feel that contraception should be covered by all insurance companies, not just places in 75% of counties.

  • TylerDurden

    What does the Mayflower have to do with this? If you don’t want to use contraception because of your beliefs, then don’t.

  • TylerDurden

    How is it debunked? Many polls have shown similar numbers.

  • TylerDurden

    Obama compromised and said that the insurance companies would pay for contraception, not the Catholic Church.

  • Anonymous

    because they only asked people currently USING birth control ; )

  • TylerDurden

    Do you have numbers on how much it costs tax payers for poor citizens to have unwanted children? From conception to eighteen years old?

  • Anonymous

    so you say ; ) Too bad “american’s who want something” don’t get to make the law…PLEASE show me where in the constitution, EXACTLY it provides the GOVT to provide health care OR welfare, or FOOD?

  • Anonymous

    here’s an IDEA, instead of making the RESPONSIBLE folks PAY for them, how about we STOP propping up the IRRESPONSIBLE ones making babies they DON’T want or won’t provide for?

  • TylerDurden

    More access to contraception and better sex education means less unwanted children. Like you said, somebody’s got to pay. Children cost far more than pills.

  • Anonymous

    here’s how much I, and the rest of the good taxpayers pay NOW to support “poor citizens” and from our annual budget, here’s MORE data for you poor lil whiner..Cradle to grave govt entitlements is NOT the answer, look at europe, look ANYWHERE it’s existed ; )

    In 2006, government spending on contraceptive services for 9.4 million patients-including Medicaid, Title X and state funding- totaled $1.85 billion. Of those patients, 2.6 million went through Planned Parenthood, at what Planned Parenthood estimates to be a cost of $385 million, and 6.8 million of them went through other providers, at a cost of $1.5 billion, according to Guttmacher numbers. Broken down, this means Planned Parenthood cost the government an average of $148 for a patient’s contraceptive care in a year, while other clinics spent $215 a year per patient. Just pushing contraceptive care for these patients from Planned Parenthood to other clinics would thus cost the government an additional $174 million a year.

  • Anonymous

    So? Proves nothing. And Hitler won a majority in Germany’s election. You will never convince anybody of anything by citing “majorities” or polls. Also, I can’t believe that you’re letting yourself be duped by these polls. This has nothing to do with birth control in the first place, although the MSM is killing itself in trying to keep this discussion aimed in that direction. In fact, it has everything to do with religious freedom and compelling religious institutions to act against their conscience. Do you not know ANY history? 

  • Anonymous

    BULLCHITe LMAO..I JUST posted the Title X LAW to you, it’s been in effect for 40 years, and it hasn’t done CHITE, you’re FULL OF KRAP like always ; )

  • TylerDurden

    There was more than one poll taken. I haven’t found anything that says the poll was just using data from only people who use birth control.

  • TylerDurden

    Irrelevant to our argument. We’re talking about employer provided health care insurance.

  • Anonymous

    That is a common lie Tyler, and children are not a commodity, they’re human beings. It’s repulsive to talk about how much a child “costs” versus a pill. That is the first thing you should keep in mind. Then, you might look back at statistics going back 50-60 years on out of wedlock pregnancies, and make sure you check out the stats on STD’s too. Then get back to us. Tyler, you have a lot of reading to do. 

  • TylerDurden

    We’re not talking about government entitlements. We’re talking about private insurance.

  • TylerDurden

    False. Hitler never won an election.

  • Anonymous

    And where exactly does the insurance company get the money to pay for those contraceptives? Do they have some magic machine that cranks them out, out of nothing? 

  • TylerDurden

    I’m talking about services that go beyond Title X laws. Why do you feel the need to insult me? Are you sure you’re not Aaron? I have never treated you with such disrespect. Please stop following me if you can’t be a decent person.

  • Anonymous

    regardless, polls don’t mean chite, NOTHING in life is free, the costs get added to MY premiums and it’s not gonna happen ; ) PAY for it YOURSELF

  • TylerDurden

    We don’t have complete stats for STD’s and out of wedlock pregnancies.

  • Anonymous

    History, sigh, it’s such a burden to learn it. Well, let me review it for you. The Pilgrims left England because they were being persecuted by the English Church for their beliefs. They refused to compromise, they wanted freedom, they came here. Any bells ringing yet?

  • Anonymous

    because you’re f os and always are ; )

  • TylerDurden

    The cost of pregnancies and deliveries are on your premium as well. I can tell you that it’s not cheap.

  • TylerDurden

    Insurance premiums. What costs more? Pills or pregnancies?

  • Anonymous

    baloney, you think it will REALLY be free? don’t be so da m n obtuse!

  • TylerDurden

    I could say the same of you, but I am a much better person than you and can disagree without getting rude.

  • Anonymous

    Irrelevant. This discussion has nothing to do with costs, or cancer. It has to do with religious liberties. 

  • Anonymous

    bullchite, you’re a phony and a liar and I’ve proven it many times ; )

  • TylerDurden

    Of course it will be payed for through insurance premiums. It will be offset by not having insurance companies cover as many pregnancies.

  • Anonymous

    I bet that even “incomplete” stats come nowhere close to the mayhem we have going on in our society today, as evidenced by “complete” stats.

  • TylerDurden

    No, it has to do with women’s health and freedom of employees.

  • TylerDurden

    You’ve never proven anything. What am I a phony about?

  • Anonymous

    what costs LESS, accountability or a free ride paid for by the taxpayers? 50 million babies murdered since 1973, how’s THAT working out for you? Title X and 1.65B every year spent on birth control for 40 years, HOW’s THAT working out for you? PP is k illing b!ack babies and YOU DON’T CARE! LOLOL that’s what cracks me up about your ignorance ; )

    Our ANNUAL BUDGET OUTLAYS:

    14% on defense
    36% on SS and medicare
    14% on anti-poverty programs
    18% on net interest
    18% other

  • TylerDurden

    Planned Parenthood performs abortions on people of all races. They don’t target black babies. People choose to have abortions, they aren’t forced on them.

  • TylerDurden

    Abortions aren’t free either.

  • Anonymous

    You IGNORE this FACT every time too..how COME?

  • TylerDurden

    Very few people get a “free ride”. Ever heard of the working poor?

  • TylerDurden

    I’ve got to run. Enjoy the rest of your day Mrs. Chicago.

  • Anonymous

    yea, I’m ONE OF THEM DUFUS and I NEVER wanted, NOR expected YOU or ANYONE ELSE to pay for MY birth control or medical or FOOD or ANYTHING ELSE, gawd

  • Anonymous

    LOLOL sure tyler, sure ; )

    So forget about intent: Look at results. Abortion ends more b!ack lives than heart disease, cancer, accidents, AIDS, and violent crime combined. African Americans constitute little more than 12 percent of the population but have more than a third (37 percent) of abortions. That rate has held relatively constant, though in some regions the numbers are much starker; in Mississippi, b!ack women receive some 72 percent of all abortions, according to the Centers for Disease Control. Nationwide, 512 out of every 1,000 b!ack pregnancies end in an abortion. Revealingly enough, roughly 80 percent of Planned Parenthood’s abortion centers are in or near minority communities. Liberalism today condemns a Bill Bennett who speculates about the effects of k illing unborn b!ack children; but it also celebrates the actual k illing of unborn b!ack children, and condemns him for opposing it.

  • Anonymous

    Irrelevant whether children or pills cost more. You are violating my belief system by making me pay for the pills. I will happily pay into an insurance system that gives pregnant women the services they need. 

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  • Anonymous

    Sure Tyler, just keep watching that MSNBC. And totally ignore the reality of the argument. I assume you’ve been  flooding your congressman’s office lately with demands that the Amish stop being exempt from any possible military service too, right? Or how about starting to make arrests in Catholic Churches while children under legal drinking age, consume wine on the promises during communion? I’d go on, but I’m sure you’d miss the point in additional examples anyway. 

  • Anonymous

    Sure Tyler, just keep watching that MSNBC. And totally ignore the reality of the argument. I assume you’ve been  flooding your congressman’s office lately with demands that the Amish stop being exempt from any possible military service too, right? Or how about starting to make arrests in Catholic Churches while children under legal drinking age, consume wine on the promises during communion? I’d go on, but I’m sure you’d miss the point in additional examples anyway. 

  • Joe W.

    Pantywaist….

  • TylerDurden

    I never watch MSNBC.

  • TylerDurden

    You can have those beliefs, but you can’t demand that other people are held accountable to your beliefs. You claim to be an employer. You might be enabling them to buy drugs, alcohol, birth control, prostitutes, etc. that also might violate your belief system. You do pay them, right? Do you tell them what they can and can’t buy with their income?

  • TylerDurden

    That’s great. I’m serious. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work that way for everyone. No political party is going to pull away the social safety net, so you are in for disappointment election after election.

  • TylerDurden

    Most Planned Parenthoods are in cities, which happen to have larger minority populations than rural areas. It’s a baseless attack to claim that Planned Parenthood’s goal is black genocide.

  • Joe W.

    Read the words of their founder, Tyler. Geebus but you are obtuse….

  • http://twitter.com/sail422 Herbert Fields

    which Americans is that ? right the ones in “the polls”  it is your right to work where you want and thats the only workers right

  • TylerDurden

    Ummm…workers have far more rights than the right to work where they want.

  • Anonymous

    Err, Tyler, my wife’s employer has ALWAYS chosen what benefits we get in our insurance.

    What the heck are you smoking dude?

  • Anonymous

    My husband worked for a Catholic hospital. I found it inconvenient that their insurance didn’t include birth control coverage, but luckily, condoms are pretty inexpensive. And the hospital USED to provide EXCELLENT coverage, other than birth control- My daughter’s birth was virtually paid for. Then the union came in and convinced the nursing staff, already earning a HIGHLY competitive benefits and compensation package, that they were getting the shaft and should organize to demand what was rightfully theirs.

    Only ONE party benefited from that change. I’ll give you a hint: It wasn’t the hospital and it certainly wasn’t the nursing staff… Everything suddenly gets more expensive when you’re paying someone to pretend to fight for it on your behalf, and alienating the employer who was already providing it for you without having been bullied into doing so.

  • Anonymous

    We have apparently become a country of illiterate lemmings.  The administration and MSM have twisted the language to perpetuate a myth.  How is anyone being ‘denied’ anything?  A Catholic hospital may not provide abortion services, but that doesn’t stop you from going elsewhere.  A Catholic pharmacy may not provide condoms, birth control pills or morning after pills, but that doesn’t stop you from going else where.  A health insurance policy provided by a Catholic organization may not pay for birth control, but there is alway the option of (gasp!) paying for it yourself.  There are many liberal organizations that are more than happy to help you out.  Oh, and since when is birth control “preventative health care”?  They’ve apparently now classified pregnancy as a disease?  That’s right, BHO said he wouldn’t want to ‘punish’ his daughters with an unwanted child.

  • Anonymous

    I never had insurance in my younger days. Any birth control came out of my pocket. And that was before I understood what birth control pills really did as well as their possible side effects. My husband and I also paid all doctor and hospital bills for the birth of our daughter. And we were far from rich. Paying for someone else’s birth control is not a health issue except for a certain medical problems. Not having children in and of itself is not a medical issue. It is a choice. Don’t even get me started on murdering the unborn and anyone but the murderer paying for it.

  • Anonymous

    They have a perfect right to follow the beliefs of their religion and not offer certain benefits as any company chooses the benefits it offers its employees. Employees only get the choice of paying into that insurance plan or plans the company offers if they want it. That is their choice anywhere you work. Otherwise buy your insurance elsewhere.

  • Anonymous

    Tyler, I am an American by lineage and birth for some generations back and legally here. You do not speak for me and many I know of. Do not presume to know. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H3FKWX5SAT4RBBNEEW7PV7XDWY B

    To you stupid liberal,progressive, socialist democrats, your day will come.  Do you think this president cares about you or your family, you are nuts.  This man has a brother in Nairobi kenya who lives in a  HUT,  YES I SAID A HUT OR SHACK.   He also has a aunt and uncle living on welfare in Chicago somewhere.  
      He is  going to tax you on every deposit you make to the bank  one percent even the stupid seniors who get social security and a pension check will be taxed.  Your energy bill will skyrocket  and guess what another tax – if you sell your home in 2013 you will pay him an extra 3.8% tax.  Gas prices going up and  the liberals say it is a good thing because it saves lives but the truth is  they are pushing for stupid people to buy an electric car and this is why he won’t America drill for oil right here in America.   I could go on and on but you stupid people don’t get anyway because you are brainwashed by ABC,CBS,NBC,MSNBC who are in bed with this president.   Wake up America we are dying and this president is laughing.

  • Anonymous

    What makes you think Americans disagree?  All the polls that I have seen support the conscience clause for Catholics.  What ever happened to personal repsonsibility?  My car insurance doesn’t cover oil changes.  My homeowner’s insurance doesn’t cover replacement of cracked windows.  It’s all these things that insurance companies have been forced to provide that have made the cost of premiums soar.  Let’s get back to basics.  Let people have responsibility for their own healthcare.  I think we should go to a voucher system and let people purchase whatever insurance policy that works for them and their families and set up pre-tax health savings accounts.  Insurance companies can compete for business and people can buy whatever premium works for them. People with pre-existing conditions could be placed in a high risk pool covered by the government.   Most high deductible plans cover preventative care (ie annual physicals).  If people want to pay for contraceptives, let them do it from their health savings accounts and not on my dime.  This “free ponies for everyone” mentality will drive up the cost of medical care with everyone gorging at the trough, not taking responsibilty, and will eventually lead to rationed care. 

  • TylerDurden

    Now all insurance is required to carry contraceptive coverage. It benefits society.

  • TylerDurden

    Do a little research Joe and you will find that women who use birth control pills lower their chances of ovarian cancer.

  • TylerDurden

    What if every employer decides their employees just need to “walk it off”?

  • TylerDurden

    I never said every American. I said most.

  • TylerDurden

    Using birth control pills is taking responsibility.

  • Anonymous

    And increase their chances of breast cancer

  • D C

    It’s time to force all moslems to eat pork in public restaurants.  

  • Anonymous

    People need to take responsibility for their actions and the costs that go along with that. 

  • Anonymous

    Preventative health care is not for preventing pregnancy, which, despite the whining on the left, is not a disease. PHC is for preventing preventable diseases and injuries, i.e. infections, communicable disease, dental disease, etc. Pregnancy is a natural result of sexual intercourse, and the only way to produce children to replenish the population. If women don’t want to get pregnant, they can CHOOSE not to have sex, or they can avail themselves of the many outlets for free or reduced contraceptives. Abortion should be reserved only for cases where the woman has had her free choice removed (her health endangered, rape or incest.) If a woman chooses to have sex, she has made her choice and needs to deal with the consequences. Murder is not the way to deal with the consequences of our choices.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe insurance policies should cover memberships to gyms and to buy bicycles for everyone because everyone knows doing exercise is good for your health.  Let’s see….what else can we make insurance companies pay for?

  • Anonymous

    Not even most.

  • Anonymous

    Tyler-
    I’m very sorry but those employees chose to go to work for a Catholic organization!  They know when they become an employee of that organization that it is Catholic and they also know the extent of their insurance coverage prior to accepting a job at a Catholic institution.  In other words those WOMEN made a choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Our government has overstepped it’s realm of power and we are not going to take it any more.  

  • Anonymous

    I just thought of something else…insurance companies should provide free fruit and vegetables becuase they’re good for your health too.

  • Anonymous

    Then I guess that is their choice. You either follow the rules or you find another place to work. I have have been invited to do just that when I spoke out about something.

  • Anonymous

    Abortion and conception is a choice for each person who desires it.
    This administration  is in stealth mode when it is declared women’s health care.

  • TylerDurden

    Yes, according to every poll out on the subject, including polls ran by religious institutions, most Americans support Obama’s contraception policy. Since this debate started, Obama’s approval ratings have gone up and enthusiasm for the GOP candidates has gone down. There’s a reason for that.

  • Anonymous

    Please post links for those polls because that is not what I am seeing.

  • Joe W.

    Says who??

  • TylerDurden

    Contraception is not murder and is preventative health care. Women who use birth control pills have a much lower risk of getting ovarian cancer. This is totally about women’s health. Interesting that the panel that spoke in front of Congress did not include one single woman. You know, the people this policy really affects. Of course, once again, old men think they know what is best for free women.

  • TylerDurden

    You need standards and having every insurance policy supply contraception helps society. You don’t have to use it if you don’t want. Don’t deny other people from using them. You don’t have to own a business if your employees’ private lives upset you.

  • Joe W.

    So sez Dr. Durden…

  • Anonymous

    All of what I have seen supports the Catholic Church’s stand, even other faiths, and the list keeps going….http://www.jasonboyte.com/docs/To%20President.NonCatholics.RelExemptionSigned.pd

  • Joe W.

    It does NOT benefit a Constitutional Society, Tyler. And it will NEVER come to pass as law…

  • TylerDurden

    It is a women’s health issue:

    From a website about the benefits of using birth control:
    Women who do not need birth control often choose to take the pill for the other benefits it offers. Combination and progestin-only pills

    reduce menstrual cramps
    make periods lighter
    offer some protection against pelvic inflammatory disease, which often leads to infertility when left untreated

    The combination pill offers many other benefits, including some protection against

    acne
    bone thinning
    breast growths that are not cancer
    ectopic pregnancy
    endometrial and ovarian cancers
    serious infection in the ovaries, tubes, and uterus
    iron deficiency anemia
    cysts in the breasts and ovaries
    premenstrual symptoms, including headaches and depression
    bad cramps
    heavy and/or irregular periods

    Combination pills can be used to control when and how often you have your period. Some pills are specially packaged for women to have only a few periods a year. Other pills can also be used continuously to prevent having periods. With these pills, women take an active pill every day to keep from getting their periods. It is normal for them to have spotting or bleeding the first 6 months. It may get less over time. Some stop having any bleeding at all. This is normal and will not harm your body. But it’s a good idea to get tested if you think you might be pregnant.

  • Anonymous

    Tyler you are wrong on the polls.  Rasmussen is the most respected polling agency out there and his findings do not support your contention:  http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/08/rasmussen-majority-opposes-obama-contraception-mandate-on-religious-organizations/

  • Anonymous

    It does not help society. Exactly how do you think it benefits society? The unwed? Those who can’t afford to have kids but can’t keep their clothing on? Sex is a choice, Tyler. It is not a necessity. You don’t seem to understand who is the boss in a business. It is not the employees. And the government still doesn’t have the right to interfere in a religious principle.

  • Anonymous

    I think you are mistaken.  Most employers want to offer the best benefits they possibly can so that they can keep quality employees.  If you are not a good employer then you have major turn over in employees.  Right now individual employers do have the opportunity to choose the policies and benefits that they offer their employees. Guess what… No Chaos!
     Are you trying to say that Americans cannot make their own decisions, or choose where they work, or negotiate terms and make decisions for themselves??  Not in my America!  

    Maybe you would be better served as the citizen of a country who makes all those choices for you.  I have a feeling you would not survive very long. 

  • TylerDurden

    They benefit society because they keep the number of unwanted children down. Less unwanted children means less abused children. It means less future criminals. It means less tax payer money spent on raising the unwanted children of poor citizens.

  • Joe W.

    Government CANNOT make a business include a product in what they offer for sale. It is UNConstitutional, moron….

  • TylerDurden

    People can make their own choices about contraception. But all insurance policies should cover contraception, a basic requirement in the modern world. If a woman doesn’t want to use it, her insurance company isn’t going to make her.

  • Anonymous

    And what polls would those be? No one asked me or anyone I know. And I know people all over the country. Polls are not accurate by a long shot.

  • TylerDurden

    Government can regulate all commerce that is sold across state lines. Insurance is in that definition, so government can make providing contraception a requirement. Strange that we have not heard insurance companies complain at all about this…maybe because they agree and they potentially will have to cover less pregnancies.

  • Joe W.

    The panel included TWO women, Shitforbrains…

  • TylerDurden

    We’ll see when Obama is reelected in November.

  • TylerDurden

    I don’t know a single person who is against the contraception mandate. I live in Republican territory and know people who live all over the country and around the world.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lester-Peoples/1558461120 Lester Peoples

    Obama says he is a Christian?  Hmmm..If so, invite him over for bbq-ed short or long end pork ribs Sunday afternoon!  Don’t let the first lady say they are too rich and greasy as thats what black folk eat in America, but if he were Jewish I could see him rejecting to eat pig or hog as thats an abomination to them’.  A  christian is known by their fruits in well doing– blessing others.  Who is Obama blessing?  Not Israel–Gods chosen people!  When becoming president the first 3 signings of his pen were against the laws of God given us in the Holy Bible, and not the holy Koran as Obama calls’ the book of Mohammad, and he says the chanting of prayers from the minerette tops is wonderful to [Obamas ears]  There is only “One” true God who is jealous’ and says there will be no other God before me!  Allah the Arab moon god isn’t the same as the Judaeo/Christian God of earths creation so choose wisely!  You can’t be black and white at the same time no more than an Islam/ Muslim and Christian at the same time!  One lives under grace and one lives under dominating control!  Don’t be fooled by teleprompters-  listen to Almighty Gods word in the Holy Bible he prepared for us to live by in these last days..

  • Joe W.

    Check Kaptain KickAss’s poll numbers today, bigmouth. He’s tanking again. It matters not how many people support his policy..that policy is UnConstitutional.

  • Anonymous

    I guess you went around asking everyone? What polls?

  • Anonymous

    And they increase their risk of breast cancer. 

  • Anonymous

    Not if my vote counts and many others. Not if they don’t use dead people and cartoon characters as voters.

  • TylerDurden

    Dead people and cartoon characters can’t vote.

  • TylerDurden

    We have many polls call us all of the time.

  • Anonymous

    You’re wrong on that.  Other kinds of insurance can offer all different kinds of plans and they are not restricted from offering different levels of coverage.  I can buy insurance from anywhere in the country including from a gecko in Maryland.

  • TylerDurden

    Studies are insignificant. Studies that do show breast cancer risks show a very, very small risk while the risk of ovarian cancer goes way down.

  • Anonymous

    Insurance companies are actually actuarials.  They calculate risk.  Whenever you add a benefit, you add more risk, which then adds more cost.  Going by your logic, insurance should cover membership to healthclubs and all fruits and vegetables because they make you healthier.  And don’t foget free ponies for everyone!

  • TylerDurden

    I never said they couldn’t. And that is what gives the government the ability to regulate it, insurance is sold across state lines.

  • TylerDurden

    Contraception reduces the risk of pregnancy. If you didn’t know how they work.

  • Anonymous

    Post your sources.  I have researched this up the wazoo.  Both of my sisters are breast cancer survivors.  My family carries the BRcA2 gene and we have all had genetic testing, including consultations with a variety of oncologists.   Any form of estrogen increases risk.  My sisters won’t even eat anything with soy in them.

  • Anonymous

    They aren’t supposed to be able to but it seems they do.

  • Anonymous

    Show me the poll links that back up what you are saying.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t realize pregnancy was a disease

  • Anonymous

    The commerce clause was meant to prevent regulations and restrictions that would limit free trade between the states.  It wasn’t meant for the government to control the free trade.  Read the constittuion and the federalist papers!

  • Anonymous

    When it comes down to it, this is not about contraception at all.  This is all about a dictator in chief who wants to ignore the constitution he is supposed to be defending, and push his saul alinsky socialist agenda down everyone’s throats.  This is about Liberty and Freedom.  Plain and simple.

  • TylerDurden

    You can take care of this one little thing for your female co-workers. Plain and simple.

  • Joe W.

    Not ALL insurance is sold across state lines, Mr. Wizard.

  • Joe W.

    They are only significant when they support YOUR point of view, Tyler. They become INsignificant when they run contrary to your blather. You’re quite the pompous hypocrite, aren’t you?

  • http://twitter.com/catchr C Neilson

    They’re not denying them preventive health care. They don’t want to pay for something that is a SIN and against their conscience as a result. Those employees are not forced to work for the Catholic Church. They can work for an employer that is more in line with their beliefs. Or pay for what they want out of pocket…like people used to do before they became infantilized by their Uncle Sam.

  • http://twitter.com/catchr C Neilson

    How about clot problems? What is the significance of that after using the pill?

  • Joe W.

    So does abstinence.

  • TylerDurden

    Churches are exempt. We’re talking about hospitals, universities, and charities that employ non Catholics.

  • Anonymous

    So, all women should be on birth control pills? These  synthetic homones can cause:
    Larger breasts, Weight gain or loss, Reduced or increased acne, Slight nausea, Emotional sensitivity right before your period, Mood swings throughout your cycle, Irregular bleeding or spotting, Breast tenderness, Decreased libido
    WORSE YET:
    INCREASED RISK OF CERVICAL AND BREAST CANCERS, iNCREASED RISK OF HEART ATTACK AND STROKE, 
    Migraines, Higher blood pressure, Gall bladder disease, 
    Infertility, Benign liver tumors, Decreased bone density,
    Yeast overgrowth and infection, INCREASED RISK OF BLOOD CLOTTING.

  • Anonymous

     Then they are to take it all their lives to avoid ovarian cancer?

  • Anonymous

    By your standards of debate most children born without birth control will probably  be abused.or turn into criminals. It would have to be most for your argument to be viable. As I have said before. Just avoid sex and you have no problem. Or rather pay for it yourself. No one wants to be forced to pay for you, your wife, or anyone else’s birth control methods. People managed very nicely before the government stepped in. I did. And the government still doesn’t have the right to force us to buy a product from a  business. They can go somewhere to work where there demands are catered to BY THE BUSINESS and not the government. Just because you want it doesn’t make it right. I want and need a new house. Should I demand the government buy me one and by extension you through your taxes?

  • Anonymous

    See my reply to you on the negatives of birth control pills. You conveniently left out that part.

  • Anonymous

    May go down????

  • Anonymous

    1) ANY employer has the RIGHT to decide what they will and won’t include in their insurance package – religious or not, don’t like it, don’t buy it or work somewhere else.  2) The definition of PREVENTATIVE healthcare, does not include contraceptives… it includes screenings, physicals, tests to PREVENT OR DETECT a disease or an illness.  Which one would you like to put the result of a lack of contraceptives in?

  • Anonymous

    I couldn’t get him to so good luck with that. He dropped that pretty fast with me.

  • Anonymous

    They are still part of the church or they would not say Catholic. The name tells you what it is. You don’t have to work there and you don’t have to do business with them if you don’t like the way they run things.

  • susiew51

    Well said!

  • Anonymous

    Thanks. We never even thought it was someone elses’s responsibility to provide us with birth control at any point before or after the birth of our daughter.

  • Anonymous

    This video shows Barry in his OWN words (and no, it’s not taken out of context) what he’s really all about.  Enough said, watch for yourself.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE9mZCRX2mg&NR=1&feature=endscreen 

  • Anonymous

    To Obama, I suspect the Amish, Mennonites, etc. fall in to the “quaint” category: let them have their way and it’s good P.R. – don’t want to be perceived as “bullying” the Amish.  However, Obama does not view the Catholic Church as “quaint” (a real challenge to his authority, actually) therefore, they’re not exempt.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EPVNSW3ZGCMLHJBQF5NJJLPYAM 毛毛蟲

    We have government care in Taiwan for which was covered by PBS sometimes ago and they praise about it, such like affordable care on x-ray and dental medicare, etc. Let me tell you how that things work in Taiwan now: it sucks!!! It increases our debt and still the same old same old problem that the poor still can’t afford some medical cares. Build up such a institute is like a money sucker and also you will raise a punch of greedy who eat up all the medical resources that cause the financial burdens on government care itself!!!
    We are suffering from this and please listen to the people who comes from your near future if you guys do Obamaaaa careeeeeeeeeeeee…………….

  • Anonymous

    How’s about birth control for the gay marriage couples?  Oh, yeah…..there’s no way they can procreate anyway, so I guess they don’t need it.  They are just going to die off, eventually.  The only way for them to raise children is to take them in from another heterosexual couple…….and God bless the child who stands alone. 

  • TylerDurden

    Are you aware that some birth control pills can reduce the risk of ovarian cancer? That’s preventative health care.

  • TylerDurden

    Medicine can act differently for different people.

  • TylerDurden

    Every medicine can have side effects, which are rare. Also, different medication can have different effects on different people. My wife had to try several different kinds of contraception until she found the one that worked for her.

  • TylerDurden

    No, I’m saying that unwanted children are at a higher risk of being abused. Abused children are more likely to live a life of crime. Abstinence is an unrealistic method. Human bodies are hardwired to have sexual desire. It’s how we’re made. We have to teach people how to be responsible about it, and not have abstinence only sex education. Studies have shown that doesn’t work. We are talking about private businesses here, not the government. Government does have every right to tell insurance companies to cover contraception, just like they have the right to tell businesses to put in fire alarms and sprinkler systems. It is in society’s best interest.

  • TylerDurden

    Studies have shown that ten years of use significantly reduces risk. My wife used birth control for ten years before we felt ready to have our first child last year. It was worth waiting. We now own a house to raise her in and our lives are much more stable than they were ten years ago.

  • TylerDurden

     Lesbian couples can have artificial insemination.

  • Joe W.

    You are not very stable without God, Tyler. Neither is your daughter.

  • Joe W.

    Contraception is NOT medicine, shitforbrains…

  • Joe W.

    Oh please, Tyler….what an abomination THAT is. That’s medical malpractice, for crying out loud…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LBC6VWQXI27SU75A3IBJAIJ5S4 k

    Will Muslim kids have to eat pork in school lunch programs paid for with federal dollars?

  • Anonymous

    I look forward to Glenn’s show(s) and the Blaze. I have to say that I do miss the days when I could tune in and just laugh at listener’s photos of their giant homemade flip-flop parade floats strapped on their gas guzzling pick-up trucks careening through the streets of Ohio…  Life seemed “less dark”…

  • Anonymous

    Catholics have the upper hand here – if they are willing to use it.  The solution is simple – the Catholic Bishops need to get together and decide that if Obama is going to DICTATE their medical insurance coverage, on the day it goes into effect, ALL CATHOLIC ORGANIZATIONS WILL CLOSE, DUMPING MILLIONS INTO UNEMPLOYMENT, AND MILLIONS OF CATHOLIC SCHOOL KIDS INTO THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM.

  • Anonymous

    One of the most preposterous things about this that seems to go unmentioned – ALL WOMEN’S INSURANCE PLANS WILL HAVE TO COVER THIS!  Yes, if you are a 40 year old woman, and you’ve had a histerectomy, you will still have to pay for birth control, sterilization, and abortion pill coverage in your insurance UNTIL YOU DIE!

    Obama the DICTATOR says so…  (I guess he was lying when he said, “If you like your plan, you get to keep it…”)

  • Anonymous

    Good post.  BE PREPARED.  The sh*t is about to hit the fan. 

    PLEASE, my conservative friends, when all hell breaks loose, LET THE LIBS STARVE!  It is their policies that have bankrupted this nation.  They continually take and take from the producers to give to the lazy.  Now there are way too may lazy.  Obummer talks about “everyone doing their fair share” – yet this never includes the 47% that pay ZERO.  Somehow the guy paying $5 million a year in taxes isn’t paying his “fair” share yet the person paying ZERO somehow is. 

  • Anonymous

    Hi Joe, I see you and Tyler are having fun this morning. hehe

  • Joe W.

    Tyler won’t talk to me because I hurt his moon bat liberal feelings. I told him his daughter does not stand a chance with an ignorant, atheist like him for a father. Tyler can’t handle criticism OR the truth, Leebob. He’s a lib. It’s how they are.

  • Anonymous

    I always paid “out-of-pocket” for some medications. Even the ones I did not have to shell out for were “free” to me but I knew they are not free…

  • Anonymous

    With all due respect to Rev. Graham and Mr.
    Santorum, their answer to the media’s question about Barack Obama’s claim of Christianity
    missed the point and the opportunity to tell the voting public the truth about
    whose opinion really counts.  That person
    is Jesus Christ.  Jesus told all of us in
    His bible, a bible that Barack Obama literally made fun of at one time.  Jesus tells us the truth about what he
    expects from us.  When we start to do
    instead of what we say, we will not have to answer questions about our
    character.

    Matthew 7:15-20

    New Living Translation (NLT)

    The
    Tree and Its Fruit

    15 “Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless
    sheep but are really vicious wolves. 16 You can identify them by
    their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thorn bushes,
    or figs from thistles? 17 A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad
    tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree can’t produce bad fruit, and
    a bad tree can’t produce good fruit. 19 So every tree that does not
    produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. 20 Yes,
    just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by
    their actions.

     

    Americans, people that want to be
    considered Christians do not need the opinion of the Rev. Graham or Rick Santorum;
    they need to show their fruit.  If the
    fruit that you show does not support human life in the womb but you support
    abortion,  maybe you are not what you
    claim to be.  If the fruit that you show
    does not support traditional marriage between a man and a woman as God Himself
    ordained, but instead you support non-traditional marriages, then maybe you are
    not what you claim to be.  It is not
    about the claiming but about the showing. 
    Only God Himself will make the final decision.  But I have a choice come November of
    2012.  I will not vote for any candidate
    for any office that just says that they are a Christian.  I will only vote for someone that actually
    shows or demonstrates their Christianity. Visit http://www.votingingodsamerica.com for
    some education and inspiration about voting in God’s America.

     

  • Anonymous

    Give it up, Tyler. You totally failed to post the negative side which is one reason why I stopped taking them when I was young. Government does not have the right to require contraception be covered. I will argue with you no longer for you cannot see reason.

  • Anonymous

    Do they really have all the rights they take? Or have you just so become used to the government taking over that if they say they have the right that is okay with you? Personally, while I find some things necessary, I also find they are far too controlling and it is hurting us in reality. Personally, I don’t like being controlled by the government. Are we never allowed to grow up or do we have parents, the government, controlling us cradle to grave. Be a willing baby all you want. I prefer to be an adult.

  • Anonymous

    You say studies and polls but NEVER offer to tell us who or what these are. Even if I demand you prove what you are saying you say nothing. You are not credible.

  • Anonymous

    How can a President be this arrogant? This is just disgusting.

  • Anonymous

    Others paying for your contraception is just wrong and that is what this mandate is all about. That and the very real threat of meddling in church business. We have already had this discussion and you are just fine with all that is wrong with this. There are none so blind and those who will not see. Of course all medicines have side affects and people may react differently. But there are some very real and scary dangers with bc pills.

  • TylerDurden

    How old are you? There are many birth control options available today. My wife had to try about six or seven types of contraception until she found one that did not make her feel sick. Every woman will respond differently to different types of contraception, just like all people will react differently to other types of medication. Not all types of antibiotics will work on all people for example. Some are allergic to penicillin or other medication. Government does have the right to say contraception must be covered, just like they can require certain immunizations to go to public schools and require public schools to have up to date fire suppression and warning systems. Nobody is forcing you to take any medication you don’t want to.

  • TylerDurden

    It’s not wrong. It’s no more wrong than insurance premiums covering other people’s cancer treatments, which are way more expensive than birth control pills. I have yet to meet a woman who has had as bad of side effects to BC pills that my friend had to cancer treatment. No church business is being meddled with since churches are exempt. What about this argument? Are Jewish and Muslim tax payers exempt from paying income tax since their taxes might go to paying for food stamps which might go to pay for pork products?

  • TylerDurden

    You’re not being controlled by government. You don’t need to take contraceptives.

  • TylerDurden

    Here you go:

    abcnews.go.com/Health/WomensHealth/ovarian-cancer-risk-slashed-pill/story?id=14821039#.T0Uh0HnDD0R

  • Joe W.

    Dr. Durden, why do you continue to beat the dead horse you are sitting upon?? You are making quite the fool of yourself…

  • Joe W.

    Tyler is a socialist, soonan. An “Alinskyite, as well”. He’s a legend in his own mind…educated beyond mere mortals, and incapable of learning anything from anyone who did not support the progressive meme….

  • TylerDurden
  • TylerDurden

    Here is a poll:

    cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57377864-503544/poll-most-back-mandating-contraception-coverage/

  • Anonymous

    Too late. I am not arguing with you any more. I have better things to do.

  • Norman Hatfield

    I’m a retired social worker, so I know what I’m saying is true.  Medicaid doesn’t even care how much money you have.  Once, we had a family apply for Medicaid that had inherited so much money that neither the husband or wife had to work anymore.  They had a brand new paid for home and 5 new vehicles.  They just withdrew whatever money every month that they needed.  They kept it under the income guidelines so that Medicaid (you and me!) paid all of their 3 kids’ medical care.  The wife got pregnant again and she was entitled to Medicaid for her entire pregnancy plus 2 months postpartum care.  Then her 4th child was guaranteed a year of Medicaid no matter what their income was.
    But even that, doesn’t upset me as much as illegal aliens getting welfare.  People will twist things with semantics, but the truth is, illegal aliens are eligible for MORE welfare benefits than taxpaying citizens are!   

  • Joe W.

    Well said, soonan. Tyler would rather remain a little boy and have his nanny take care of him and his family. While WE pay for it.

  • Joe W.

    ABC News….Bwahahahahaha….what an impartial source THAT is, Tyler…..

  • Joe W.

    Cancer is a disease, and screwing is NOT, shitforbrains…..

  • TylerDurden

    You asked and I provided. Last night I was multi-tasking and didn’t have time to get links to you. Continue to be ignorant at your own risk. I’ll consider this a victory for myself in this debate. Enjoy the rest of your day.

  • Anonymous

    Yep.

  • Anonymous

    I resent any and all who misuse and abuse the system. In the end it will make it that much harder for anyone needing help to get it or hold their head up high for being labeled an abuser because so many are.

  • Anonymous

    Too many excuses. I told you I am done. Had it with a hard head that if everyone says one thing you will deny the truth and say another. The majority here do not believe as you do but yet you still argue for the government. Any sane person would not always defend the government requiring things be done their way and constantly trying to tax away your paycheck. That is called keeping them in a job. If THEY are in control they are safe. But you are not. Pity you can’t comprehend that.

  • Joe W.

    Multi-tasking, my ass….You just cut and ran, dude. Soonan beat the dog snot our of you and you could not admit it….

  • TylerDurden

    I’m the one with the hard head? I acknowledge side effects for some women, and you refuse to acknowledge benefits outside of stopping pregnancy. I asked how old you were and you didn’t answer. There are many more options available now than when you were young.

    On a side note, I’m not for the government doing everything and they are pretty far from taxing away people’s paychecks.

  • TylerDurden

     Hey leebob. I am no longer posting to Joe since he insists on continually bashing a four month old girl. I could care less if he is rude to me, but saying my daughter doesn’t stand a chance crosses the line. He has also made references to her being in dirty movies. Unacceptable. I’ll accept his apology if he is willing to give one, but until then, he can post away without a chance of me responding.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mlrancourt Merrie Spencer Rancourt

    I attend a conservative Mennonite church although I am not a member.  Yes, they are allowed access to the internet :).  Most Amish sects don’t allow it, but most conservative Mennonite churches do.

    I think that specifying the churches that are exempt is arrogant, but I think I know why they did it.  Those churches have won court cases brought on their behalf.  They are exempt from social security if they work for themselves or others of their church because they will never claim it.  There is a government form they sign avowing that they won’t.  The church I attend does not carry any type of insurance and they take care of each other.  In most states they can post a bond with the state for their district to be exempt from car insurance requirements as well.

    If it weren’t for the legal standing that has been established, you can bet that these groups would not be exempt from Obamacare.  We are pro-life from conception to natural death.  Most of the families have around 5 to 8 children.  You can bet that a “solution” will be looked into about this.

  • Anonymous

    This is absolutely the last time I mess with your ignorance. You really don’t get it and you haven’t read all my comments carefully. Some of this I have addressed already. I just had one of my medications put on the not necessary as a maintenance list. My premiums and and two of my medicines just keep going up that I need. Why doesn’t everyone pay for my medicines so I can have it free like birth control? You really think they don’t want to find a way to get your money after they tax away the rich that doesn’t include them somehow? You really need to mature. Unfortunately if you every get there you will be past forty. With age comes wisdom. I know. I remember being young. And my age is no concern of yours. Just take it for granted I am likely a lot older than you and have been around the block many, many times. I don’t like being tacky but your insistence on this has worn thin. You just want everyone to have free birth control but not what I or others may truly need and get it free also. And you are still ignoring the religious issue as if the government has a right to interfere there. You really have no case on that one. You would force a religion based service to provide service that goes against it very foundation beliefs. Where is that separation of church and state on this one you lefties are always preaching? Done. No more insanity.

  • Anonymous

    Sure, we are ALL equal under Obama’s administration. Except, one of us more equal than other of us.  LOL

    But hey, we are talking about Obama, the administration and chief of Double Standards! 

  • TylerDurden

    I think that it would be great for all prescriptions to be covered by insurance, including birth control. Obviously you would be paying your premium, but splitting up the cost with more people would make the amount you pay less than what you would pay for full price prescription medication. I understand the religious issue, but we are talking about employees of institutions that are not members of the Catholic church here.

  • Joe W.

    Man, you KNOW that Tyler Durden is an ignorant, obtuse troll if soonan gets so exasperated. Great effort, soonan. Trying to reason with liberoids is next to impossible. Tyler is one of the worst.

  • Joe W.

    Oh, what a poor little troll, Tyler. I speak the truth. YOU cannot deal with such things. Pantywaist….I actually prefer you not responding. Saves me the aggravation of trying to communicate with you. It’s much more fun to stalk you and troll YOU…Turn about is fair play, eh shitforbrains??

  • Joe W.

    Hard head and empty head, as well….

  • Anonymous

    Comodities are not rights.  Rights are given by Our Creator, Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

  • Anonymous

    I think they should. 

    According to the official government Food Guide, pork meat is considered to be very healthy.During Ramadan, Muslim should be given a double portion of pork meet. lol

    P.S.
    Probably Iran would declare a nuclear- or a bio-war on US as a response for such a government regulated action.

    But as we know, or as Obama believes, he doesn’t have to worry about the retaliation response of those “cheek-turning pacifist” Christians…anything can be enforced on them. 

    …though, I wonder how long. 

  • Anonymous

    That’s right. Now the gay community should unite and submit a complaint to Obama about such an unfairness! Let’s see Hussein make a justice on this one! lol

  • Anonymous

    As you said, gays can’t procreate…

    That’s good, they shouldn’t be multiply anyway! lol

  • Anonymous

    OBAMA HATES EVERY ONE BUT OBAMA–  HE LOVES HIMSELF AS GOD—  OR HADN’T YOU NOTICED.?

  • General Kota

    Hard to miss.

  • General Kota

    Well people this should not come as a shock to us. The left hates the freedom of religion unless you are a Muslim then they stand up for them. How many Christians does the ACLU stand up for?

  • TylerDurden

    What unfairness? And lesbians can use birth control pills for preventative health care.

  • thelionoftruth

    Because he is at a place that he knows we can’t stop him!

  • Anonymous

    I can only wonder if he is one of those trolls paid to be obtuse and obstructive.

  • Joe W.

    I have accused him of that often….he claims he isn’t, but all those liberal vermin maggots lie, you know??

  • TylerDurden

     To answer one of your questions, no I am not paid. I defend my opinions just like you do yours.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tkoh.foundation.org Sarah Carrol

     Then if that is true then scripture is in error?

  • http://www.facebook.com/tkoh.foundation.org Sarah Carrol

     I guess we have the choice to put into law all the things the Baptists or Catholics or Amish might agree on if all people in the US were either Baptists, Catholics or Amish that is?

    People have been given a free will even if we do not agree that people should have a free will of the object is to take peoples free will away from them. If the object is to be closer to God and God offers free will, then so should we?

    If on the other hand we find that the US was not based on freedoms then we probably need to close off all the boarders and shoot everyone that does not agree with our views?

    What is important is your relationship with God as we each have to give a personal account. That also means however that you do not get to call the shots for me or others, but only yourself (ok maybe your families). The more control one has over others the more rebellion there is. The other problem with having control over others is that we then become responsible for those we have control over.

    So is it better to have control and be responsible for everything or is it better to have free will. God makes no one walk with Him. We should however walk with Him for our own good.

    It is humorous or sad maybe that none of the candidates are willing to say that they stand for the love and will of God. Of course then again if someone did actually say that they do represent the love and will of God, it is fairly easy to see if they are or are not, which may be the reason why candidates do not claim to represent the love and will of God? Go figure?

    Then again if we are being led by the Spirit of God in how we vote, then probably no president would be elected?

  • thelionoftruth

       I see the Praises to humans and the complaints on humans.
    But where are the Prayers and Praises to God? That is what matters in the
    end. Either we believe we can help ourselves which doesn’t look to promising
    right now! Or those that believe to stop stammering and look towards God for
    all our faithful needs. All else is petty wishful thinking. It seems some wants to look
    like they know something! that stir up gibberish indifference’s.   Maybe some of you
    like it that way. But if humans want it one way; That is only God’s way. Who else
    can say it should all be my way or no way? GOD! God is the only One way!
    Only for Believers of course. Are you peeved at me for waking you up?  Well you
    should be!  God says; The rest can go to…ehh hem.

  • thelionoftruth

       Let me reiterate that! Only God and His Son can get us out this and
    stop O’baba… that should correct the scriptural error!
    But Man cannot stop him…  

  • http://www.facebook.com/tkoh.foundation.org Sarah Carrol

     Let me reiterate, we are supposed to overcome by the Blood of the Lamb and the words of our testimony. In addition it says we can do all things through Christ, WE…..

    Jesus was given all power and authority in heaven and earth and as the bride of Christ we carry His authority in His absence. What works against those things mentioned above is bad beliefs. It takes faith, love and unity to bring change. It starts with our heart walking in faith and keeping the faith that we can actually accomplish something. Then what is important to us, we work on. If we do not work on it little will get done, but it is not that God did not provide us with a way to get it done, but us not working as one body to actually bring the changes desired.

    I mean lets get real? What type of faith do we have that tells us we can do nothing, which makes us all victims?

    Granted we need to walk in it, but we do have the ability to bring the change if it is important enough to us.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/William-S-Janoch/558236559 William S Janoch

     more like all customers had to pay for an eat bacon

  • Anonymous

    We need to reflect on just how insidious this issue of never before heard of rights materializing out of nowhere really is. It it far more serious than simply more government bloat and the accompanying cost of providing ever more benefits to an ever larger portion of the population. It goes to the very heart of the “fundamental change” Mr Obama promised us 4 years ago. Some of us understood then that he was promising to change America in ways most of us did not want and would not like, but we were unable to convince enough of the rest of us. It is vitally important that we do not fail again.

    This seemingly endless stream of new “rights” is part of the President’s effort to make true his statement that America is no different from any other country. But the truth is, America is different, and is special. Not because we are smarter, better, richer, or more blessed than any other country (and I don’t know that we are), but because our government is based on a concept of human rights and liberties virtually unique in history, and certainly unique in our time. Although the preamble to the Constitution speaks of the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in affirmative tems, the bulk of the specific rights enshrined by the Constitution consist of a list of those things the government may not do to you, or require you to do, a “charter of negative liberties” as Mr Obama has said. The notion of unalienable liberties as fundamental rights is only half the genious that is our Constitution, and of itself, not that unique. The truly unique aspect of our inspired Constitution is the premise that humans are “endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights,” which fact is taken to be a self-evident truth, and which infers that the proper role of government is safeguard, rather than grant, these univerally recognized rights – since no agent of any rank less than deity has the power to grant (or withdraw) fundamental rights. This, by the way, works even if one doesn’t believe in God or a creator – the premise is that these rights are inherent to the human condition and that governments may be judged by how diligently they respect and protect said rights. This is what makes us unique in the world. Elsewhere, human rights are regarded as something granted by government, and are as extensive or restricted as government may decide. 

    To return to Mr Obama and the liberal/progressive gameplan, it seems to me that this  administration believes that if it can define material goods and services as rights, rather than benefits and priveleges, and establish itself as the provider or protector of those rights, they succeed attaining the power to grant rights to the population or segments thereof.  The danger, of course, is that what the goverment can grant, it can also deny – if it can grant any right, then it has the power to withdraw any right (including those real rights/liberties that existed before they started defining whatever they pleased as a right). In fact, it would appear that the Obama administration believe they have already achieved this power: in arguing that employers must provide insurance coverage for contraception, no matter what the objection, because access to contraption, free of charge, is a right, they are taking the position that not only can they define and bestow new rights whenever they chose, but also that if it should be inconvenient for government to provide the newly defined right from its own revenues, it can simply direct one portion of the population to provide it to another.  In other words, the administration argues that it has right to control, and distribute as it pleases any and all assets in the country, regardless of ownership. 

    And some still argue that he is not a communist?  

  • http://twitter.com/ProChristBlog ProChristBlog

    Great analysis… Liberals think everything convenient in their world is a “right”. Funny that they hate the Right!  But it’s like everything else with them… I had no idea we had a “health care crisis” until Obama was elected. So Obama Care or the Affordable Health Care Act was suppose to reduce health care costs but I don’t know 1 single person who has talked about that extra money in their pocket because of this massive law? Surely the liberal media should be lining them up every evening to tout how great Obama Care is right? These people are lunatics… Atlas Shrugged should be mandatory reading… because the moochers and looters have taken over! Us small time producers will dry up eventually (hope I can crash my plane in that Colorado secret society)… soon they’ll tell me I can’t run a Christian Organization unless it’s strictly non-profit. Occupy movements show the level of insanity that has gripped our great nation… I challenge conservative, free market, Christian thinkers to join a “Pro Christ” movement. The whole problem boils down to a very sad issue where self proclaimed “Christians” have no desire to really follow Christ. We want Christianity to fit into our secular society BUT God is unchanged & expects us to live by his Word. If Obama is a Christian he should start setting the example by living his life by the Word.

  • Anonymous

    Why does no one say in regards to Romney:”If there was
    a democratic governor running for president who mandated that everyone in his
    state get health care or pay a fine,  that
    was for curbs on greenhouse gases, pro choice before flip-flopping and for gun control?
    We republicans would be tearing him or her to shreds yet we are about to
    nominate just such a candidate for the republicans

  • Anonymous

    Hey Glenn, how about a paying members only thread? A GBTV exclusive. Maybe we’d shrink the number of empty headed idiots that come here just to piss people off.  I see enough of them on every one of our candidate’s sites.  I think they are part of the anarchist 99% movement.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HSJULSAVFJIJYR6PCTCUPMNXRA Take 2

    S.  This is a reply from one of my blogs on yahoo. I got a lot of thumbs down telling the truth about Female (Sha re a) gl ob al Or der is what Obama et al is all about.   
     

    Wow – this is the first I’ve heard of it.
    OK – This is what I found out; The US Agency for International Developement
    is distributing condems world-wide on our tax dollars combined with
    contributions from other sources.
    The FC2 female condom is distributed by donor groups and public health
    organisations in around 100 countries across the world.7 It is directly
    marketed to the United States
    and is sold through distribution agreements to countries such as Canada,
    Mexico, Spain,
    India and Brazil.
    In fiscal year 2009, the makers of the FC2 female condom sold 40.2 million
    units worldwide, up from 34.7 million in 2008.8 Many of these condoms were purchased
    by donor agencies such as USAID (US Agency for International Developement), and
    UNFPA (United Nations Population Fund).

  • Anonymous

    Did this country base our system on freedom to practice the religion of our own choice? What happened to the separation of church and state? Church or religion…should not control  politicians and the politicians should not control the church. So… I do see unrest which could easily once again turn into something like holy wars (especially with the radical muslim movements). Eventually the Jewish, catholics, christians, and others will start to feel cornered (don’t back a wolf into a corner). My new slogan for the upcoming presidential election is “OBAMA…too far left to know what’s right!”
    Mike
    Seattle

  • irene levy

    Affordable insurance by taking away ridiculous restrictions (like purchasing insurance out of state and allowing more competition) and freedom of choice is what we need.
     Our nanny state doesn’t think we are smart enough to take care of ourselves, in addition they are bought by the insurance lobbies.Right now insurance companies are making billions by squeezing doctors on fees and denying claims to members. This will not change under Obamacare.Insurance companies are paper pushers making billions  by devising every which way not to pay a claim.The people who  actually have the skills and education and  take care of the patients are being put out of business. You never hear that in the news everybody thinks doctors are rich. The  majority of doctors salaries goes down every year while expenses keep going up. Hence waiting hours in the doctors office because they are forced to see volumes of patients to make ends meet.Insurance reform is the elephant in the room, they are as bad as banksters,In fact there are probably banksters behind the insurance companies.

  • Anonymous

    You forget one little point: These people are not slaves. They have the right to work somewhere else that is more in line with their belief systems.

  • TylerDurden

    The Catholic Church will not be paying for the contraception anymore. The insurance company will.

  • Frank_Mann

    Well stated!  The left is attempting to turn this discussion away from abortion and towards contraception in the hope of making this egregious violation of the Constitution more palatable.  Either way, this is about religious freedom and nothing else.

  • Frank_Mann

    Sad but true.  Still beats the alternative.

  • Frank_Mann

    As with everything else, liberals spin morality to meet whatever “feels good” at the moment.  Most seem to lack any sort of moral core whatsoever.  Building your house on sand rather than rock and what not.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tkoh.foundation.org Sarah Carrol

     ”Did this country base our system on freedom to practice the religion of our own choice? What happened to the separation of church and state? Church or
    religion…should not control  politicians and the politicians should
    not control the church. ”

    It would depend on your view point of the following; either the country exists because of religion or country exists regardless of religion? If It was religion or particular belief in God then there would be no country. If people where here to start a country that were religious in nature, then the country would be here regardless of God or belief.

    If this country really was founded on particular religious beliefs then it should be religious beliefs that control the country?

    That is essentially the crux of the whole problem. People need to decide one way or the other and then get on with it…………………

  • Anonymous

    Aren’t Muslims also exempt from Obamacare?
    Does anyone know?
    I’m seriously asking and not being facetious or sarcastic (for a change).  

  • Al Jonas

     True, if he is allowed to swipe religous freedom from Catholics, he’s allowed to swipe anything from anyone.

  • Anonymous

    Probably – we used to have restrictions in place that kept banks from being involved in insurance and vice versa.  But those were removed some time ago – under clinton, I think.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BAQIYGACQG4CD2IUGXNQUUFQIM Shelly

    Just so you know, the Senate has finally brought the Blunt Amendment to the floor, they’re discussing it, and will be voting by 11:30, they say.  It’s 11:15 right now.  Did you call your Senator?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QQ23PH3V6A6U4U4G5KYN7GID7Y Sylvia

    Libs, Conservatives. Left or right. Face it, we are all in the same sinking ship. Our leaders must be stopped from their bad choices because, yes, all our children for generations to come will be paying for how things are handled presently. Wake up fellow-Americans!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BS3XGIA76NGAR7IJIWBD5B5SLE Jeanette

    I thought the Muslim “faith” were given a complete bye on Obamacare….Reason??…they consider insurance to be gambling, and against their religion…but they’re sure quick to show up in the emergency rooms to get the free care for noncovered (uninsured).

  • Anonymous

    Birth control is not expensive. This was brought up to energize the Obama base. By the way do u think that if Obamas kids needed birth control that he wouldn’t pay for it. Another point is that mot just catholics but all religion is on fire here. If they can regulate the catholic church than they have a foundation to go after other religious organizations. There has been a movement for years to try and tax religious organizations. And to control what is spoken about at the pulpits. 

  • Anonymous

    yes it is and it’s also to bring attention to obamacare as it nears the supreme court

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carmine-Fragione/100002894613526 Carmine Fragione

    Health Care is about when you cannot treat yourself,  or care for yourself due to injury or sudden illness.  Taking care of your own body and personal health is a private matter the government has no business of interjecting itself into.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barb-Neb/100000142183107 Barb Neb

    I worked for a hospital in San Diego County and we had no less than 60% of the new babies born to women with no social security numbers, (“just sayin”). A few came back in to get the birth records changed to the mom’s other name. Apparently she had given the wrong Medi-Cal (medicaid) ID card to the admissions clerk. Because of HIPAA laws they could not be reported, as if anything would happen.
    When I see a person using their medicaid food ATM card and then climb into their Cadillac Escalade I get angry. Multiple ID’s, and multiple welfare checks, all equal fraud.
    Rudy Guillani had it right when he instituted the fingerprint ID system in New York. No more multiple welfare checks there anymore!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barb-Neb/100000142183107 Barb Neb

     Where can I find the document regarding the 3.8% tax on real estate sales? My realtor said it was a hoax.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barb-Neb/100000142183107 Barb Neb

    Don’t you ever wonder what the lib’rs would say if you asked if it would have made a difference if their mothers had believed more in abortion?

  • Anonymous

     Hi B,  In fact the only laugh I’m having is at your over-the-top hyperbole, distortions, and just plain crazy nonsense.  Let me suggest this:  The end of the world isn’t coming during the Obama Presidency.  It most assuredly is coming in the decades ahead if we fail to control global warming (sorry I mentioned it).  And possibly sooner if screw-balls like yourself get political control.

  • Anonymous

     Are you nuts?  Who are these folks you describe as ‘lazy’?  I assume you’re not one of them.  From you comment it appears you’re considerably above most of us in your humanistic and compassionate concern for your fellow man, so long as they’re not ‘lazy.’  I would take you to task for your mathematical silliness regarding taxes but it’s not worth the effort. I will ask you just one question:  Would you rather have the income of the taxpayer who pays $5 million a year or the taxpayer who pays ZERO?  If you believe there is an advantage in having less and less income I suggest you voluntarily enter into poverty.  In a year or so come back and tell us how much you enjoyed it.

  • Anonymous

     Hi soonan,  I for one am very impressed by your self-sufficiency.  In addition to not paying for someone else’s birth control are there other medical procedures and/or care you are not willing to pay for?  Are there medical procedures and/or care you are or might receive that should not be paid for by others?  Regarding medical care in general, who do you believe should be making decisions about who pays (and who does not) for what care for who, when & why?  Assuming you now have medical insurance are you sending refunds to the insurance company for that coverage you have that you feel others should not be required to subsidize?  I’m sure you have all of this worked out in detail.  The next time you post a comment you might want, if you can, to share your thoughts on these matters.

  • Anonymous

     A hospital managed and/or owned by the Catholic Church is not a Catholic institution, and as such has no rights under the Constitution to the privileges of a religious institution.  If a Catholic managed/owned hospital hires only Catholic employees, has only Catholic doctors and professionals, cares only for Catholic patients, and accepts monies only from Catholic sources, then and only then can it attempt to make the claim to being a ‘religious institution’ under the Constitution.  And even then the argument is pathetically weak.  To suggest that an institution that hires non-Catholic workers, has non-Catholic professionals on its staff, cares for non-Catholic patients, and accepts monies from non-Catholic sources, has any right to call itself a ‘religious institution’ is illogical nonsense.  There isn’t a court in the land that would support this idiotic lack of logic.

  • Anonymous

     This has nothing to do with the issue being discussed.  If there are specific problems and/or failings in a system you attempt to fix those failures. This isn’t rocket science.

  • Anonymous

     Ridiculous nonsense!  Soonan, your self-righteous patting on the back is getting boring.  Wake UP!  Your whole life is subsidized by others in ways to numerous to count.  You don’t live in a bubble.  But for your being a part of human society you would still be crawling about in the tree tops.  And as a part of human society you are called upon, as are all members, to contribute to the welfare of the whole. 

  • Anonymous

    This article is boring and stupid.  In a nutshell:  who cares?  The bottom line:  America’s Catholic Bishops are screaming that their religious freedom is being reduced because I refuse to allow them to reduce my religious freedom.  A hospital owned and/or managed by the Catholic Church is not a ‘religious institution’ and has no special rights under the Constitution.  The Bishops know this only too well and they should stop trying to make fools out of the American people.  Given the value of energy it seems a shame to waste it on this worthless adventure in illogical silliness.

  • Anonymous

    No, I don’t like nuts… OWS is a perfect example of lazy, and Nancy Pelosi’s daughter just interviewed a bunch of “welfare queens” – people who are able to work but instead live off of govt. largess. You apparently missed my main point, or perhaps I did not explain it properly. Obama and his left wing mouthpieces (Pelosi, Reid, CNN, MSNBC, NYTimes, etc) talk about the wealthy “not paying their FAIR share.” I agree – ONE person paying $5 million a year is NOT fair! Unfortunately Obama means they are not paying enough. Which implies that the people at the other end, the “bottom” 47%, who pay zero, ARE paying their fair share. Now, if ONE who pays millions is not paying enough, and MILLIONS who pay none are paying enough, and believing in that is normal, then I am crazy. As for the math.. plenty of historical facts to support that higher taxes actually reduce revenue. FDR increased the top tax rate over and over again.. each time not understanding how the higher rates returned less revenue. He raised the top rate to over 90%. Now how hard will you work to make that extra dollar so the govt. can take 90 cents? This economic fact has been borne out over and over throughout history, so if you want to keep believing the failed Keynesian model of economics, that is your choice. The economy is dynamic, not static. Taxes change behavior, higher taxes reduce economic activity. What we need right now is more economic activity. Liberal policies will remove the incentive to create wealth. Wealth creates jobs. No jobs, no food. It really isn’t rocket science, it’s human nature. Liberal also continually lament the “income gap.” They wish to shrink the income gap. Facts are unfortunate things for libs – the income gap grows WHEN EVERYONE’S INCOME GROWS.

    PS I do tend to cling to my God and my guns, so maybe I am nuts…

  • Anonymous

    So essentially what your saying is that the Catholic Church would have to close its doors to all non-believers of the Catholic Church, and only serve themselves….

    Jesus and his disciples would not be exempt under Obama’s “accommodation” under that logic.  

  • Anonymous

    What I’m saying is simple.  An hospital owned and or managed by the Catholic church is not a Catholic Institution.  It is a public institution and has no claim to any other type of definition.  If I’m a Catholic who owns a hot-dog stand does that make the hot-dog stand a ‘Catholic Institution?’  Of course not.  The logic is ridiculous.

  • Anonymous

    Stand Up for Religious Freedom  Join the nationwide rally to defeat the HHS mandate!
    Today March 23 in your city.  For more details http://bwcentral.org/2012/03/stand-up-for-religious-freedom-2/ 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jo-Ellen-Howard/100001677104916 Jo Ellen Howard

    I am an Amish Catholic.   Alternative energy saving vehicle (horse and buggy) and some good furniture but go to Mass.  Its a subset of Roman Catholic.   The Pope has authorized Amish Catholic Hospitals and other charitable organizations.   In fact, the Pope is an Amish Catholic.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/USOU4KMYCYCIW6LQ5BZX6WUZIU nsheedy

    ObamaCare and it’s idiotic criteria for claiming religious exemption also discriminates against me as a Christian Scientist.  I’m religiously opposed to using any medical treatment, yet I cannot claim an exemption from being forced to purchase medical insurance!  The only people who are allowed to claim a religious exemption from ObamaCare are the people who qualify to be exempt from Social Security, and in order to claim an exemption from Social Security, you must waive all rights to Social Security Benefits.  As a Christian Scientist, I am not religiously opposed to Social Security, thereforw I can be forced to purchase medical insirance (which I am opposed to).  Moreover, if I wanted to claim exeption to ObamaCare, I would have to waive all my rights to Social Security, after paying into Social Security for my whole working life.  This is just stupid.

  • http://twitter.com/joebeaufort Joseph McCoy

    As
    an Ordained Independent Minister by a nationally and legally recognized
    ordaining body, I, Reverend Joseph McCoy, am starting a new Faith Group
    called the New Reformed Amish Church.  Since the Amish are
    already exempt from Obamacare, we can start a legal, new religious
    group, and call it the New Reformed Amish Church. The main tenet of
    our faith will be that we are against health insurance as it violates
    our absolute faith that God is our protector and healer and physician.
    We are not exclusionary, in that, you can be a member or the NRAC and
    also a member of another church. Also, you can renounce your membership
    at anytime.
     

  • http://twitter.com/joebeaufort Joseph McCoy

    My solution as soon as I can hire an attorney to handle the legal aspects of starting a new denomination/church…

    Amish religion is based upon the basic tenets of early Christianity and a desire to be faithful to God. We believe that the Bible is the Word of God and that the Church is the body of Christ fulfilling God’s purposes on earth. The New Reformed Amish Church (NRAC), as well as other Amish groups, stress the importance of keeping the body pure and spotless and free from the contaminating influences of the worldly aspects of life.
    New Reformed Amish Church beliefs also emphasize the importance of humility, obedience, and simplicity. They believe that true Christians should never use violence or force, unless wholly justified. The Amish will follow the Word of God even if it conflicts with the rule of the government.
    The NRAC also believes religion is a way of life and not merely ornamental.  We believe the expression of our faith and love towards God is more in how we behave in the practical duties of life as opposed to wearing fancy clothes or worshiping in opulent churches. Helping a neighbor in need is considered a more religious act than participating in complicated rituals.  But we do not prohibit any NRAC Member from believing in rituals or attending church in a building entirely set aside for that purpose.
    As Amish History shows, Amish religion and traditions grew out of the Anabaptist reformers who rejected to what they felt were corrupt practices in the Protestant and Catholic religions of the 1500′s. The Anabaptists believed that formal theological training was not necessary since the lay members of the congregation were just as capable of interpreting the Scriptures as the priests.  As members of the NRAC, we believe God doesn’t call the prepared, he prepares the called.
    

Key Religious Beliefs
    There are several key beliefs that summarize the NRAC beliefs. The following is an attempt to summarize those key religious beliefs.
    The NRAC believes that God has created and sustains all things. God exists externally as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Christ will return to judge the world, raise the dead, and usher in the kingdom of God.
    The NRAC believes the Bible is the authoritative Word of God and the New Testament is the fulfillment of the Old Testament. The church is the visible expression of those who voluntarily devote themselves to a life of holiness, love, and discipline.
    This focus on the Bible pervades all aspects of the religious life of the NRAC.
    The NRAC believes that humankind is sinful and that adult men and women must seek atonement through Jesus Christ.
    The NRAC is considered to be non-conformist because of our belief that Jesus introduced a unique approach to the human situation – an approach which often conflicts with the dictates of modern society.  As a result of this belief, we believe absolutely that God is our physician and healer, we therefore reject the purchase of health insurance by ourselves for ourselves or our family as to purchase it would mean we are not trusting in this tenet of our faith.  If it is provided for us through an employer, we can accept it and not violate this tenet, as we did not actively seek it out.  Rather it was a gift from our employer and it is wrong to not accept a gift from one who is well meaning. 
    The NRAC nonconformity can be seen by community spirit and harmony among mankind. The Amish have traditionally been pacifists and have refused to fight in any wars.   We differ here from the other Amish Groups in that we believe to defend one’s country and family is a noble cause. One clarification we make is it is OK to serve only if one’s country is following the will of God in matters concerning social morality, to include not allowing abortions as this is an unjustified killing of a human being with no due process as guaranteed by the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, and not serving in the military with Homosexual, Transgender, Transvestite, Bi-sexual or any other form of abnormal sexuality outside of the Marriage as introduced and blessed by God in Genesis and reaffirmed by Jesus in the Gospels.  Our belief gives individual flexibility to actively search his or her own conscience to ultimately answer whether they can in good faith serve in the Military.
    The NRAC believes we can also be members of Christian Churches and members of the NRAC at the same time.  Thus, we are not exclusionary.  One can renounce his or her membership at anytime.  Parent(s) can choose to have their children enjoined with our faith until the age of 18, at which time, the individual child, now an adult, will have to confirm his or her desire to remain a member.
    The overall purpose of the NRAC is to unite Christians from different backgrounds to form an ecumenical body on those tenets that we can all agree on.  If a Christian denomination approves of Gay Marriage or Gay ordination, that is a belief that would make that particular denomination incompatible with the NRAC.  We soundly reject the concept that Jesus approves of a Gay lifestyle.  We believe that LGBT behaviors are abnormal and those afflicted by them need to seek professional help much the way an addict would be encouraged to seek treatment.


     

  • Anonymous

    Please provide a list of exempted religions so that I can choose which one to join before 2014.

  • Adam Gadley

    I think this has more to do with the fact that the Amish don’t have to pay taxes. So how can they be charged the tax, or the “fee”, for not having health insurance? I really don’t think it has to do with religious freedom as much as they just can’t do anything about it

  • Betty Janzen

    Maybe it’s partly because the Amish don’t vote? They’re not a political threat?