On radio this morning, Glenn was joined in-studio by conservative author Ann Coulter to discuss her new book, Never Trust a Liberal Over 3, Especially a Republican, and the current state of Washington D.C. politics. From creating a third party to defunding the GOP, defeating Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) to raising the debt ceiling, Glenn and Ann had a lively hour-long debate about the future of the Republican Party.
“Never Trust a Liberal Over 3 – and my favorite part of the title – especially a Republican, that is the name of the new book by Ann Coulter, who is in our New York studios and it is always good to see you, Ann, always,” Glenn said. “Okay. This is the first book that Ann has done that has zero, count them, zero mainstream media interviews. Somehow or another Ann has found herself on the blacklist, where they are all fascists. They gang up and say that opinion is no longer valid and they'll just block you out.”
“Right. And particularly, I mean, I was thinking about it last night. But this includes – not that I'm somebody now, but in terms of the media world and the publishing world, an absolute nobody. My first book came out of nowhere, High Crimes and Misdemeanors. I had lots of mainstream media interviews then,” Ann explained. “But I was thinking about other smart conservatives… but I don't see you a lot on mainstream media interviews. Whatever happened to Michael Fumento? No, he's very smart. He's very articulate. Don't put him on. Let's find Alex Jones. And I don't want to mention them, but some of our less articulate Republicans in the House and Senate. Oh, well, one I will mention: Why is John McCain like the standard bearer for the Republican Party?”
As of late, Glenn has been quite insistent that it is time to take a stand against the Republican establishment like Senators Lindsey Graham (R-SC), John McCain (R-AZ), and Mitch McConnell by defunding the GOP. He has even suggested the possibility of a third party movement – a suggestion Ann vehemently disagreed with. While she shares Glenn frustrations with the more progressive element of the party, she believes that victory must remain the common goal of all Republicans.
“So I'm afraid to even ask this question,” Glenn said. “But there's no shot that you are for a third party?”
“Ahhhh! This is how nations die, Glenn Beck,” Ann said. “We're going to lose. All that matters is winning, winning, winning.”
While Glenn pointed to Charles Sumner and the demise of the Whig Party as examples of successful third party movements, Ann was not convinced the situation is dire enough for such drastic measures.
“No, no, no, it's not that bad. We have Ted Cruz and we have Mike Lee. We need more of them,” Ann said. “And I would adhere, my friend, Pat Caddell was the main proponent of a third party and I have accused him of still pushing, you know, his democratic policies. He did get that menace Jimmy Carter elected. This is his sneaky way of undermining the Republican Party. ‘Yeah, why don't you guys run a third party?’ No, I want a third party taking votes from the Democrats. That's what you should be working on.”
When it comes to the debt ceiling debate currently raging in D.C., Ann and Glenn both agreed that raising the debt ceiling does not necessarily mean the Republicans have lost.
“We don't give up fighting against Obamacare and the government shutdown by raising the debt ceiling,” Ann said. “But I think it's worth saying we could raise the debt ceiling because, again, we only have one half of one branch of government. But that doesn't end the fight over Obamacare. That still doesn't give us a budget. We're right back where we were on the government shutdown.”
“I'm totally fine if you want to raise the debt ceiling,” Glenn agreed.
While Glenn and Ann disagreed about how much the Republicans actually gain from the grand bargain currently being worked out between Sen. McConnell and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (R-NV), Ann re-iterated that any type of delay to the debt ceiling, is a victory for Republicans.
“Well, we got it put off for a couple of months. [That’s] time to organize. And I would also add [Sen. McConnell] may be counting on the House rejecting it, but this shows the reasonableness of Republicans,” Ann said. “I think it was brilliant that the Republicans in the House – thank you, Ted Cruz, for leading them, by the way – began with defund the entire government except for defunding Obamacare. And then they step back: Now we will defund the entire government including Obamacare that we want to put off for a year. And now their final offer, and the reason the government is shut down, is fund the entire government, including Obamacare but Congress has to live under it.”
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