Glenn and Ben Carson debate the role of pragmatism and compromise in politics

Dr. Ben Carson visited The View on Tuesday to talk about his new book One Nation: What We Can All Do to Save America's Future, and the interview received a lot of attention because of the overwhelmingly positive response he received after explaining why he believes the current welfare system in the United States is not doing the poor any favors. Glenn knows firsthand how difficult it can be to get the ladies of The View to compromise on any issue, and on radio this morning, Glenn spoke to Carson about the role of pragmatism and compromise in politics.

To begin, Glenn asked Carson to speak a little bit about his new book, which tackles themes like how to react to the politically correct police.

“I talk about [the politically correct police] throughout the book. But basically, their only power is the power of intimidation. And if we decide to ignore them, they have no power. We need to understand the role that they play in manipulating people who really don't think deeply for themselves. And if we can get people to be a bit more knowledgeable, and a lot braver – because [bravery] is really the key,” Carson explained. “You know, and I mentioned before, most of the people in Nazi Germany did not believe in what Hitler was doing, but did they open their mouths? Absolutely not. Now, of course, the left said, ‘Carson says America is the same as Nazi Germany.’ Of course, they love to grab any kind of word, distort it. And this is very effective for people who don't think for themselves.”

With that in mind, Glenn applauded Carson for earning the respect of The View hosts and having an articulate dialogue about the problems with the welfare system in this country.

“Well, you know, I'd had a chance to speak with Whoopie Goldberg before we actually went on set. At first she thought we were very much opposite,” Carson said. “But as began to talk, I said, ‘We actually want the same things, and we can't allow ourselves to be manipulated by those who want to always remove cohesiveness and create division.’ That's what's happening to America right now.”

In a recent op-ed for Townhall.com entitled “Charting a Course Between Principle and Pragmatism,” Carson wrote about a similar theme. After endorsing Dr. Monica Wehby, who is running as a Republican from Oregon, Carson came under fire for supporting a candidate who is personally pro-life but ran as pro-choice because she “feels the government has no business interfering with the relationship between the mother, the baby, the doctor and God.”

Glenn asked Carson, who described himself as pro-life, why he chose to overlook Webby’s position.

“Here's my point. It's going to be a lot easier to bring someone along who agrees with you 90% of the time than somebody who opposes you 100% of the time,” Carson said. “So one of the things that conservatives have to understand is there is a pragmatic approach. We have to get a critical number of people in place so that we can move the pendulum in the correct direction. As it's moving, it doesn't mean that we abandon all those things that you're talking about. We can come back and visit those. But as I said, you know, if the ship is going off of Niagara Falls, we can get the barnacles off later. Let's turn the ship around.”

Glenn questioned, however, if conservatives are being asked to compromise too much.

“I'm willing to compromise in a million different things,” Glenn said. “But nobody is talking to us about compromising.”

“I totally understand what you're saying. Completely 100%. If there is a way – and I'm willing to listen – to never compromise on anything and still put ourselves in position to have the power, to do what needs to be done, I'm with it,” Carson responded. “We can be purists and never get into office, or we can be pragmatic, get into office, and then bring about the change that we want.

Carson evoked former President Ronald Reagan to further illustrate his point.

“I'm more in line with what Ronald Reagan said,” he explained. “Ronald Reagan said sometimes we have to hold our nose and do something that isn't completely in line with our value system, recognizing that it will provide us with the opportunity to bring about the change, rather than always sitting on the sideline and complaining.”

Ultimately, Glenn remains impressed with the way Carson has handled himself in spite of all the backlash he has faced. And while Carson remains mum on what the future holds for him politically, he does believe God will provide.

“The one thing I do know is that I think God still loves our country,” Carson concluded. “We still acknowledge Him, a large number of us, some of us are a little bit timid about it, but I don't think He's going to forsake us. And I think He's going to give us what we need.”

As the Senate prepares for former President Trump's second impeachment trial, many are asking whether it's constitutional to try a president after leaving office. Alan Dershowitz, lawyer and host of the of "The Dershow," joined Glenn Beck on the radio program to talk about the legal battles Trump still faces.

Dershowitz said he believes the Senate doesn't have the authority to convict Trump, now that he's a private citizen again, and thus can't use impeachment to bar him from running for office again.

"The Constitution says the purpose of impeachment is to remove somebody. He [Trump] is out of office. There's nothing left to do.
It doesn't say you can impeach him to disqualify him for the future. It says, if you remove him you can then add disqualification, but you can't just impeach somebody to disqualify them," Dershowitz said.

"The Senate can't try ordinary citizens. So once you're an ordinary citizen, you get tried only in the courts, not in the Senate. So it's clearly unconstitutional," he added.

Dershowitz, who served on Trump's legal team during the first impeachment trial, also discussed whether he thinks Trump is legally (or even just ethically) responsible for the Capitol riot earlier this month, and whether those engaging in violence could be considered "domestic terrorists."

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A new, shocking CBS News poll shows that the majority of Americans believe they're facing a new enemy: other Americans.

More than two-thirds of poll respondents said they believe democracy in the U.S. is "threatened," and 54% said "other people in America" are the "biggest threat to the American way of life," rather than economic factors, viruses, natural disasters, or foreign actors.

Will it be possible to unite our nation with statistics like that? On "The Glenn Beck Radio Program," Glenn and Stu discussed the poll numbers and what they mean for our future.

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Countless leaders on the left are now arguing that removing President Donald Trump from office won't be enough — they're now calling for the president's "cult-like" supporters to be "deprogrammed." And it's not just fringe politicians.

During an appearance on "Real Time with Bill Maher" last week, former NBC anchor Katie Couric said, "The question is, how are we going to really almost deprogram these people who have signed up for the cult of Trump."

Former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton and Democratic Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi questioned whether the nation needs "a 9/11-type commission" to determine whether President Trump was colluding with Russian President Vladimir Putin "the day that the insurgents invaded our Capitol." Clinton also made sure to include her favorite "deplorables" in her unsubstantiated conspiracy theory:

"But we now know that not just [Trump] but his enablers, his accomplices, his cult members, have the same disregard for democracy," Clinton said to Pelosi.

Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson and New York Times Magazine's Nikole Hannah-Jones agreed that there is a need for "millions of Americans, almost all white, almost all Republicans" to be deprogrammed and punished, during an MSNBC interview last week.

Now, a story from the Washington Post is also preaching that narrative and even added that we need more restrictions for conservatives on social media and in the broadcast industry.

"So now we have to be deprogrammed? We've heard this over and over and over and over again, for months," said Glenn Beck on the radio program Tuesday. He read through the shocking details of the Washington Post op-ed and discussed the extraordinary dangers of the latest anti-conservative movement in America.

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As calls for censorship and restrictions against conservative voices get louder, Glenn Beck said he feels an "awesome responsibility" to speak, not the words he'd personally like to say, but those he believes the Lord would want him to share.

"It's an awesome responsibility, and one that I am not worthy of," Glenn said. "I want to say ... what He wants me to say. And I have to listen very carefully, because I feel the same way you do. But that will get us nowhere."

Glenn said it's time for Americans who are awake — not woke — to come together, no matter which side of the political aisle you're on, and stand with the truth.

"We are the Alamo, we will stand. But we desperately, desperately need you," Glenn said. "We need the people who are awake — not woke — awake. You may disagree with us. We are your allies, not your enemies. And if you will not stand with us in our hour of need, there will be no one left to stand with you in your hour of need. We must all come together, anyone who is awake."

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