Glenn Greenwald: Here’s the truth about Edward Snowden

Glenn interviewed Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Glenn Greenwald on radio today to talk about his new book, Snowden, and much more. Greenwald launched to international fame when Snowden sought him out and chose him as the reporter he trusted with top secret information on the NSA’s domestic surveillance program. Fascinating stuff.

On the show, Greenwald took on the doubters who think Snowden had selfish motivations and may even be collaborating with Russia.

"The debate about his motives has always confounded me," Grennwald said. "Put yourself in Edward Snowden's place, where you decided you would take tens of found of top secret documents from one of the most secretive agencies of world's most powerful government because you think there's serious wrongdoing hidden from your fellow citizens."

"You could sell it in secret to pretty much any intelligence agency on the planet and enrich yourself for the rest of your life without anyone knowing. If you were intending to harm your country or government, you could pass it secretly to adversaries of your government without anyone knowing about it," Greenwald said.

"He could have just taken it all and put it up on the Internet, if his goal were to have this indiscriminate publication and harm the country," Greenwald said.

"Instead, he did what you would want a whistle-blower in that circumstance to do; to meet with journalists who work with some of the largest news outlets in the West and say I am giving you this material, but based on promise that you will be extremely meticulous about going through every word of it and not publishing anything that can harm people, but instead only things necessary to inform the public debate," Greenwald said.

"So you can have different views on surveillance policy, the extent to which government should be spying on us, but I think it is hard to call into question his motives were anything what he says they were and patriotic, and he genuinely believed if the government is going to spy on us indiscriminately, without any evidence of wrongdoing, we ought to at least know about that," Greenwald said.

I agree with that," Pat said. "I think my problem comes later, where he seems to have cozied up in a pretty friendly way to Russia and Putin, and has great things to say about Putin and Russia. Maybe he's been treated well. But my suspicion now is he's a little too cozy with them and perhaps disseminating information to them"."

"I think the key word is suspicion," Greenwald shot back, "which is just another word for I have a tingling feeling that leads me to believe something even though I have no evidence."

"Edward Snowden didn't decide to be in Russia. He was actually flying through Russia, on his way to Latin America, where he intended to seek asylum knowing the Obama administration would put him in prison for the rest of his life. Like most rational people, he didn't want to be put in prison for the rest of his life. The reason he couldn't get out of Russia was because on the plane form Hong Kong to Russia, they revoked his passport, then told the Cubans, if you let him pass through to Latin American, there will be all kinds of recriminations for you," Greenwald said.

"So yes, he did seek asylum in Russia. It was the only alternative he had, but he's been quite critical of Russia. He wrote an op-ed in 'The Guardian' saying Putin lied in that television appearance he did where he asked him about mass surveillance in Russia. He said Russia engages the mass surveillance against their own citizens as well and is quite oppressive," Greenwald said.

He's been pretty outspoken, but the reality is right now the Russian government is the one thing standing between him and an American cage for the rest of his life. So I think it's easy for us to say he should stand up and denounce Putin more aggressively, but he's been put in a very difficult position," Greenwald said.

"But there's zero evidence that he gave a word or a piece of paper to the Russian government. And why would he? Why would he unravel his life and risk going to prison to stop mass surveillance in the United States, only to then help the Russian government figure things out. That's not what he has done. There's no evidence for that because he hasn't done it," Greenwald said.

"For a more comfortable life in Russia," Pat said.

"But he already proved to you, given the choice between a comfortable life and sanding up for what he believes is right, he will choose stand up for what he believes is right and give up a comfortable life. He already had a comfortable life he gave up," Greenwald said.

On Monday's episode of "The Glenn Beck Radio Program," Glenn opened up about the tragic death of his brother-in-law, Vincent Colonna Jr., who passed away unexpectedly on April 5. He also shared some of the important thoughts and insights he's learned through the grieving process.

"Last Monday, I was sitting in this chair ... the two-minute warning comes and Stu said to me, 'You ready for the show?'' ... And that's when my wife [Tania] came to the door of the studio here at our house and said, 'I...' and she held the phone up. And then she collapsed on the floor in tears," Glenn began. "Tania's brother had passed. To say this was a shock, is an understatement."

Glenn described his brother-in-law as having "a servant's spirit."

"He was always the guy who lit up the room. He was always the guy helping others. He would never stop, because he was always helping others," Glenn said of Vincent. "He was on the school board. He was a little league coach. He was the soccer coach. He helped build the church. He took care of the lawn of the church. He was constantly doing things, raising money for charity, working over here, helping to organize this. But he was never the guy in the spotlight. He was just the guy doing it, and you had no idea how much he had done because he never talked about it.

"We also didn't know how much mental anguish he was in because he never talked about it. And last Monday morning, after spending Easter with the family ... he killed himself. This is now the third family member of mine that has gone through this. And I keep seeing it play out over and over and over again, in exactly the same way."

Glenn described his thoughts as he, Tania, and her family struggled to come to grips with the devastating loss.

"I learned some really important things as I was watching this wake. I'm seeing these people from all walks of life ... the people that were there, were there because [Vince] made a difference in their life. He was a true servant. As I'm watching this, all that kept going through my mind was, 'by their fruits, ye shall know them.' The fruits of his labor were on display. He was a servant all the time. All the time ... he found a way to love everybody.

"There are two great commandments: Love God with all your heart and mind and soul. And love your neighbor. So those two great commandments boil down to: Love truth. Because that's what God is," Glenn said.

"Love thy neighbor. That's where joy comes from. The opposite of joy is despair, and that is the complete absence of hope ... and how do you find joy? You find joy by rooting yourself in the truth. Even if that's a truth you don't want to accept. Accept the truth," he added. "But we have to stop saying that there's nothing we can do. What are we going to do? Well, here's the first thing: stop living a lie."

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After imprisoning a pastor for refusing to follow COVID-19 restrictions, Canadian officials barricaded his church. And when some church members retaliated by tearing down part of the fence, Canadian Mounties arrived in riot gear.

Rebel News Founder Ezra Levant joined Glenn Beck on the radio program to give his insight on the crazy situation. He described the new, armed police presence surrounding GraceLife Church in Edmonton, Alberta, and how it not only encouraged hundreds of protesters to stand with the church in support but forced congregation members underground to worship as well.

What's happening is eerily similar to what occurs everyday in China, Levant says, and it must stop. Who would have thought this type of tyranny would be so close to home?

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Enough prayers? Why is supposed Catholic Joe Biden suggesting that Congress ought to stop praying for after someone commits acts of gun violence?

On Friday, Stu Burguiere and Pat Gray filled in for Glenn and discussed President Joe Biden's remarks during his speech on gun control. "Enough prayers. Time for some action," Biden said. Stu and Pat were surprised how dismissive Biden appeared to be on the idea of prayer.

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Just days after Canadian pastor James Coates was released from prison for refusing to bow to COVID-19 lockdown restrictions, several police officers showed up at another church to ensure restrictions were being followed. But Polish pastor Artur Pawlowski of the Cave of Adullam Church in Alberta, Canada, knew his rights, telling the cops not to come back until they had a warrant in hand.

Filling in for Glenn Beck on the radio program this week, Pat Gray and Stu Burguiere played a video of the interaction.

"Please get out. Please get out of this property immediately. Get out!" Pawlowski can be heard yelling at the six officers who entered his church.

"Out! Out! Out! Get out of this property immediately until you come back with a warrant," he continued. "Go out and don't come back. I don't want to talk to you. You Nazis, Gestapo is not allowed here! ... Nazis are not welcome here! Do not come back you Nazi psychopaths. Unbelievable sick, evil people. Intimidating people in a church during the Passover! You Gestapo, Nazi, communist fascists! Don't you dare come back here!"

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