What does Glenn say when he stands up in front of his church to speak on Easter Sunday? On radio this morning, Glenn told the audience a little of what he shared about the difference between baptism and conversion, the miracle of the atonement, and the importance of courage.
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GLENN: I spoke yesterday at church. When I'm in church, I'm really, really careful. I don't want anything to even come close to anything anybody can say, well, he was talking about politics. Nope. Nope. I'm not. So I just talked about the difference between baptism and conversion. And that the real miracle is conversion. Not baptism because Peter was baptized. You know Peter was baptized. Peter denied Christ three times. He wasn't converted. The real miracle is -- is not the resurrection, but the atonement. The getting rid of the sin. Taking away all the sin. But one place that's all taken away, what will you do with it? You have a brand-new fresh piece of paper, so what is it you will do with your life? And getting up off the floor is the hard part. And what I was trying to say through all that was, we're going to need courage. Forget baptism. That's the first step. Conversion. Can you imagine when Paul was walked down the street as Saul. I don't know what it is with Jesus changing everybody's name. It's like he's got some, you know, attention deficit disorder, and he's like, Paul, no, it's Saul. Right, Paul. Listen. I want to talk to you about something.
But can you imagine, here's Saul walking down the road, and Jesus comes to him. Now he's walking down the road. He will persecute people. When Stephen is stoned to death and killed, this is such a horrific scene in the Bible. Stephen is an apostle and he's talking to them, and all he does is say, hey, guys, let me just tell you your history. Can I tell you your history? Because every time we as a people see a prophet, we kill them. And that's our history. And let me tell you, well, that just inflames the crowd. Saul is in that crowd. Do you know what he says in the crowd, Pat?
GLENN: So he's standing in the crowd and they're starting to stone Stephen. They're starting to beat him to death and stone him. And Saul is there egging everybody on. And he looks at one of them and says, I'm paraphrasing, but, you don't want to get blood on your clothes. Let me hold your coat. Get him. He's holding people's cloaks.
He saying, you don't want to get blood on that. I'll hold it for you. You go get him. Now, imagine when he's walking down the highway and Jesus comes to him and just says, Saul, why do you persecute me? And he's converted. No baptism. He didn't have the forgiveness of sins yet. He has that weight. So he's converted in the road. Oh, my gosh. This is true. I'm on the wrong side. Imagine the weight that he had of, here let me hold your coat. You don't want to get blood on that. Get them. And yet, he got up off the road and he did what he had to do. Crucified upside down because he wasn't worthy of being crucified the way the Lord was.
It's time that Americans and Christians all over the world -- as I was talking about -- as I was talking about this, the only thing that I said was at the very end was, it's time for courage. It's time for courage. That was as close as I got to a political statement. It's time for courage. And the reason why is because there were Coptic Christians that had came to this talk. They had been invited. About 15 blocks from our church. So the pastors of the Coptic Christians came to our Easter service and I met with them afterward. And they said, why? Why isn't anyone paying attention? Why isn't anyone listening and looking at what is happening? We're being wiped out. Our families -- we're the oldest church in the world. We -- we had an apostle actually start us. Did you know that 70 percent of Egypt was Christian at one point? 70 percent. He's like, this is a Christian nation. We're being wiped out and slaughtered. And no one is paying attention. Why aren't we paying attention? Because the media has decided not to pay attention.