For some reason, a lot of callers have been big Donald Trump fans. Despite having laid out policy after policy from Trump that show him to be left of most Democrats on issues like immigration, many people called into the show today trying to say he was going to be tough on the border. Stu literally couldn’t take it, and nearly exploded on one caller who didn’t seem to grasp just how progressive The Donald’s politics are.
Below is a rush transcript of this segment, it may contain errors:
PAT: Donald Trump. Donald Trump. Trump. Trump. Trump. It's amazing how obsessed they are with him. 239 times in one 24-hour period. That's more than ten times per hour. That's a lot of Donald Trump. And this is why we talk about him and try to put this into perspective. His candidacy into perspective. Because he is -- as we've mentioned sucking all the oxygen out of this campaign. That's all anyone is talking about. Certainly CNN is.
STU: Well, I was on Twitter in the break. And someone wrote, it's about time to move on the beat on Donald Trump. When he's first? When he gets to eighth place, I'll start considering it. When he drops out of the race, I'll consider it. When we have a Republican Party that has a bunch of good options selecting a person who donated to his competitor, who donated to the person running for the Democrats multiple times.
PAT: How do you defend that?
STU: A guy who said he was Obama's biggest cheerleader?
STU: How can that -- I'm not going to move on from that. Screw that. That's a terrible idea.
PAT: A guy who was a Democrat as recently as 2009.
STU: '9. Not 1969.
PAT: A Democrat.
STU: 2009. I'm not going to move on when he's in first place.
JEFFY: And you commenting on the Twitter point, Stu. Last month, on Twitter, according to topsy.com, Donald Trump led the pack with almost 2 million mentions.
STU: And who is second?
JEFFY: Jeb Bush with 338,000.
PAT: 2 million.
JEFFY: 800,000. Almost --
STU: But basically six times as many mentions as any other candidate. You think I'll shut up about him now? This is the most important time to be running our mouth about Donald Trump. Because this is not a guy -- it's not just that if he were the nominee he would definitely lose, he has higher negatives in both parties than pretty much any other candidate.
PAT: Oh, yeah.
STU: He would definitely lose. He would definitely -- absolutely with 100 percent certainty if he was the candidate, Hillary Clinton would be handed the nomination. I mean, you would definitely -- that's not even part of the argument for me. If you have a principled guy that goes in there and loses, I can deal with that. I can live with myself if I voted for a guy who actually believes in things that are -- you know, that have some sense -- some foundation in freedom and liberty.
But when you have a guy like Donald Trump out there. He doesn't even believe these things. It's one thing if you have a candidate that is bad that at least believes in principle. This guy is the exact opposite. He doesn't believe in it. He's not a good candidate. He has no good features. This is not a guy who, well, I can see why people like him. He's just louder than everyone else.
PAT: And as tough as he is on immigration supposedly, which he's getting all the publicity about now, he's an amnesty guy. He wants amnesty. How tough is that on illegal immigration? I want a path to citizenship. I want the amnesty thing. Oh, that's -- that's tough. Well, he's tough because he's said that some of them are not good people that come across the border. And he keeps talking about building a wall between the US and Mexico. Well, first of all, you're not going to be able to build a wall between the US and Mexico. We can't even get a fence. We can't even get a fence that was mandated by law.
STU: But every one of these candidates says they'll be tough on border security.
PAT: Every one of them. Even the Democrats will say that. Oh, we'll secure the border. That's first and foremost.
STU: And for those of you that says, well, he'll do it. When he's criticizing Mitt Romney that he's too conservative on the border. As of 2012. It's inexplicable. It's an inexplicable time. At least Herman Cain was a guy that came around and people didn't know much about.
PAT: But he had conservative principles.
STU: Yeah. But Donald Trump is constantly on the record as a leftist. He's a guy who said universal health care is a birthright. This is not Barack Obama. It's considerably to the left of Barack Obama. That policy is -- it's -- he's praising Canadian health care. Canadian health care. You think this guy is a G.O.P. candidate? I don't even want him as a Democratic nominee. I would be disappointed, with the exception of he would be very beatable, but if he was the guy and we had a possibility of him being president as a Democrat, I would be disappointed.
PAT: And yet Jim in Colorado likes him. Hi, Jim, you're on the Glenn Beck Program with Pat and Stu.
CALLER: Oh, great lead-in, fellows.
STU: Sorry. I didn't mean to rant that long about that. I apologize.
CALLER: Well, you know what, you probably added 10 more new fans for him for every second you stay on it.
STU: I don't see how. I understand that. Hold on one second, Jim. Before you go on from that point. It's a point I hear a lot. And I understand that. And I think that's part of the reflexive sort of response to Trump. Which is, they see him being attacked, and therefore like him more. Which I understand from the media. If it was just CNN saying he was an evil right-winger, I would get it. It's not that. All over the conservative space are people who will say, wait a minute. This guy is not bad because he's outspoken. Not boughs he's going to make us lose. But bad because he believes in liberal policies. He's not a conservative. And that complaint I don't understand running away from if you consider yourself conservative.
PAT: What do you like about him?
CALLER: I understand only leftists are allowed to evolve. I do understand that.
STU: From 2012?
CALLER: I'm going to try to help you understand where Trumpmania is coming from.
PAT: Okay. Let's hear it.
CALLER: We've had several people in the last 15 years that speak the truth. Speak what we want to hear. Let's go to Allen West to Herman Cain to Sarah Palin. What happens to them? The leftist media, the G.O.P. establishment, they attack, attack, and attack until they're gone. You're not going to be able to do that with Trump. Trump right now, and you can go back 16 years, you and MSNBC and CNN can play --
STU: How are we getting lumped in with these people?
CALLER: Sixteen years ago.
STU: 2012 is not 16 years ago!
CALLER: Okay. 2012.
STU: 2015. March of 2015 is not 16 years ago. I cannot accept this.
CALLER: He evolved on gay marriage in six months.
STU: Oh, and you're going to praise that as a characteristic in a president you want?
CALLER: No, no, I'm not. But no one is giving him a hard time about it.
STU: I am. You are. You won't do it for Trump. You'll do it for Hillary Clinton. But you won't do it for Trump. It's insanity.
PAT: It's inconceivable. I just don't -- it's inconceivable from a conservative, Jim. Jim, let me ask you this, okay.
You like him because he speaks truth. What truth is he speaking? Help me out with that, give me the incredible policies that Donald Trump has that he is stalwart on.
CALLER: Let me tell you. We can sit hear and listen to the three-second soundbites.
PAT: No. Just give me the truth that he's speaking that you were responding to.
CALLER: I am. I'm trying.
STU: Go for it.
PAT: The truth.
CALLER: We can listen to the three-second soundbites --
PAT: No. I know what we can do. But just tell me the truth that he's speaking.
CALLER: Of Republican candidates saying we're going to build a wall. We can sit there and listen to a three-second sound bite. And then they have to go the moderate route and they never mention it again. Donald Trump gets stuff done.
PAT: What stuff does he get done?
STU: Bankrupting casinos? What does he get done?
PAT: He built a few buildings.
STU: You know how he gets it done? Eminent domain. He steals people's properties, their private property, and gets giant casinos built. Congratulations for using the government that way.
CALLER: Okay. No one is going to like 100 percent of what --
PAT: I don't like 1 percent of what he does!
STU: All right. Can you hold on? I want more from Jim.
PAT: Hang on. That's unreal. I can't take it.
STU: I don't get it. We're up against a break. We need to come back, Jim. There has to be something there. There has to be a rational thought there somewhere.
PAT: He loves the fact that he's talking about building a wall and he'll keep talking about that. He's an amnesty guy!
STU: That's what I was saying. He hasn't evolved on that. That's his current policy.