Glenn joined Sean Hannity on Fox News Monday night to discuss the 2016 election and the global threats facing our country. From their straightforward online exchange leading up to the interview, some in the media might have expected a verbal sparring match to break out over their differences in opinion about Donald Trump.
In reality, the conversation remained extremely cordial. Instead of dwelling on petty differences, they instead focused on issues they could unite on, particularly the threat of radical Islam we see ravaging the Middle East.
"It's craziness!" Glenn said, referencing to a recent article in The New York Times, which told of ISIS members praying before and after raping their pre-teen victims, attempting to legitimize their actions by referencing passages in the Koran.
Hannity went on to compare radical Islam with the Nazis during World War II.
"I would argue that radical mullahs coupled with weapons of mass destruction equals a modern-day Holocaust," Hannity said.
Glenn said his latest book, IT IS ABOUT ISLAM, describes how ISIS has actually learned from the Nazis and they're even worse.
"This is the Nazis times ten," Glenn said.
Watch the full exchange below.
Glenn invited Hannity on his radio show Tuesday morning, where they continued the conversation, delving into their views on the current lineup of presidential candidates on both sides of the aisle.
"Now is the time to duke it out," Glenn said. "Now is the time to really lay it out on the table and say, this is who I think we should have."
Listen to the interview or read the full transcript below.
Below is a rush transcript of this segment, it may contain errors.
GLENN: I want to introduce you to a friend of mine. Mr. Sean Hannity.
SEAN: Mr. Glenn Beck, how are you, sir?
GLENN: Very good. How are you?
SEAN: You know, I think we disappointed people in the media if you asked a question about conservatives and Trump. And I answered. And we didn't throw mud at each other and call each other names. I think we disappointed them.
GLENN: Yeah. I think, you know, it's a good thing that conservatives -- now is the time to duke it out, you know what I mean? Now is the time to really lay it out on the table and say, this is who I think we should have. These are the principles I think wished have. Once you settle on a candidate, then you have to decide, I can either vote for the G.O.P. or I can't vote for the G.O.P. But the time to look at a candidate's makeup, any of the candidate's, is right now. And I don't agree with people who say, hey, you're going to tear the party apart. Fine. We have to have these discussions.
SEAN: No, I disagree. Yeah, listen this process is good for all of them. It will make the eventual nominee, I would argue, stronger. And they better be prepared because I don't care who the Democratic candidate is -- and it's looking more and more unlikely that it's Hillary every day, but the Democrats are going to say that you're racist and sexist and misogynist and War on Women and you want to poison the air and water and you hate children and you want to kill grandma. So you better be strong. And you better be prepared for the attacks that inevitably will come to whoever the eventual nominee is.
But you're right, we have five and a half months to vet these candidates. It's a process. And I think the process is healthy. It's the hardest job in the world.
GLENN: Do you think there's anything that Donald Trump could say that would slow this down? We were talking yesterday. He may be the one candidate who has so much out there that he's said and he handles it very well and says, yep. That's what I said. And if you don't like it, that's too bad.
SEAN: I know.
GLENN: Has he been inoculated?
SEAN: You know, it's hard to tell. But I use this term. He has been able to defy conventional political gravity more than any other candidate I've ever seen in my lifetime. Now, whether that continues, if he makes another unforced error. If he says something people don't like, it may be a point of no return for him. But he certainly up to this point have benefited from the controversies that he has started. Immigration, John McCain, et cetera. It hasn't hurt him at all. And I think people are finding him refreshing. You know, there's two reasons for this.
Number one, people are tired of political correctness. Obama has so destroyed the country that people are ready for a dramatic change, which I argue we also need. It's not a time for half measures. We need real conservatives. Liberty-loving, constitutional conservatives that will balance budgets, limit the size and growth of government, offer alternatives to Obamacare, secure the borders. All those things that you and I talk about every day. And I would argue that this is the time that we need this vibrant debate and discussion.
GLENN: It is.
SEAN: I don't mind that you don't like Donald Trump or believe Donald Trump. That's -- you know, you're a strong voice. I think people should hear your views. People should hear from Trump himself. I offer my views as warranted, you know, when I'm talking to my audience.
SEAN: I'm not decided right now. And I don't have to decide for five and a half months. And I do have faith that the American people will pick a great candidate. I'm hopeful.
GLENN: I know you don't generally do this stuff. So I don't want to box you into a corner. So you don't have to have a name.
SEAN: Go ahead, I can handle it.
GLENN: Is there anybody there that you say I will not vote for? Out of the 18, is there anybody that you just wouldn't vote for?
SEAN: We can be honest. Lindsey Graham is not going to be the nominee. So is Pataki. I like the guy personally. He's not going to be the nominee.
GLENN: Yeah, I'm not saying that. For instance, Lindsey Graham, I could not pull the lever for. I just couldn't do it.
SEAN: I'm glad we're not going to have to face that. But that would be really hard for me because I think he's part of what's wrong in Washington.
GLENN: Oh, yeah, he's part and parcel of it.
SEAN: Think of the frustration though, Glenn. This is warranted. They made a promise this past election cycle.
GLENN: Oh, I know.
SEAN: They absolutely would not allow Obama's illegal executive amnesty -- unconstitutional amnesty to go through, and they ended up funding it.
GLENN: I didn't get a chance to talk about this yesterday. I'm going to talk about it today. I wrote a piece this weekend on Mike Lee. There was a --
GLENN: There was a hit piece on Mike Lee in the New York Times this weekend where McConnell said, you know, he's out with his Tea Party buddies. And he's going to have to decide -- at some point he's going to have to face the music and choose. Well, he's already chosen. He's chosen the Constitution. And I wrote a deal about McConnell. He's part of the problem.
SEAN: Listen, I've been saying this for well over a year. Maybe even two years. I don't remember when I first said it. That Boehner needs to go. And that we need a clean sweep of leadership in Washington.
Now, I say this, I'm a registered conservative. I believe conservatism works. I believe we need a revitalized second party, as Reagan said. And when I look at the Republican Party as timid and weak and ineffective and afraid of their own shadow and afraid of getting blamed for a government shutdown, I'm disappointed.
Now, on the other hand, I see Republican governors -- and I'll mention names. Scott Walker was one of them. Rick Perry was one of them. And John Kasich has done some good work in the state of Ohio. And Rick Scott in Florida is another one. These guys have done great work, taking high deficits and turning them into surpluses. Getting their budgets balanced. And implementing, like Bobby Jindal in Louisiana, vouchers. And they've gotten people -- high unemployment rates down to low unemployment rates. John Kasich, I think since he's been governor, 300,000-plus jobs in the state of Ohio alone. These guys are working hard. Rick Perry, one and a half million jobs in Texas while he was governor.
GLENN: Why do you think Scott Walker was the guy and now has fallen off the map?
SEAN: You know, I don't think -- I don't think the polls really mean a whole hill of beans to be honest at this point. I think that we're going to have more debates. We're going to have more interviews. They'll have more time to interact with voters. And I don't think we can predict who the nominee is going to be.
GLENN: I agree with you on that.
SEAN: And one other point. Let's go back to the summer of 2007. I think it was --
GLENN: Let's not.
SEAN: Who do you think was leading the Republican field with 33 percent of the vote and who do you think was in second place with 20 percent?
GLENN: I don't remember. Probably like Newt Gingrich.
SEAN: Rudy Giuliani.
GLENN: That's right.
SEAN: Right? And those are big numbers.
GLENN: Yeah. We've been talking lately that we don't want our guy number one. I'm happy he's number two or number three in the polls right now. Cruz is the guy I really like.
SEAN: I like Ted Cruz a lot.
GLENN: Yeah, several I would vote for, but that guy I would walk through a wall of fire for. And I don't want him to be number one right now.
SEAN: What a hero he was when he stood up to his own party recently. What a hero he was in 2013, and every Republican had promised they would repeal and replace Obamacare and he stood alone in a filibuster to fulfill the promise that he made to his constituents and the rest of these guys not only caved, but then they turned on him for daring to do what they should have been doing.
GLENN: So let me switch topics here. You said just a minute ago that you think it's looking less and less like Hillary is going to be the nominee.
GLENN: Does that put Bernie Sanders there? Or do you see -- Pat and Stu think Al Gore is going to ride in on a white horse.
SEAN: By the way, I think it could happen. I think there are four people to watch out for -- my thoughts -- Biden, Gore, Elizabeth Warren, and believe it or not, Comrade de Blasio, the mayor of New York. He has a huge ego.
GLENN: Yeah. De Blasio, I think he's considering it. Yeah, yeah.
So what do you think is going to happen? I think even if she goes -- which is not going to happen. But even if she went to jail, I think they would still vote for her. Might help because people would be like, I wouldn't have to listen to her. She's in jail.
SEAN: Yeah. I don't know what it is. Look, it's funny. We often get accused of being party people. I don't have any problem, and I've never had any problem speaking out against -- you know, I end up usually voting for the Republican because there's not a conservative party. I mean, it's a coalition party of conservatives, establishment. The Democrats have a coalition party. I don't ever see Democrats break ranks. I do see conservatives that will challenge the -- the establishment in their party. You do it. I do it.
GLENN: So you're saying that you don't think -- isn't that what's happening with Bernie Sanders right now?
SEAN: Yeah, I think so. Hillary is not going to -- Hillary is not a big enough socialist for them.
GLENN: I think this is -- I think this is actually a good sign -- I mean, a bad sign for America. But a good sign for the Democrats. At least they're recognizing they're tired of the same old crap where they're lying. They just want someone to come out and say, yes, I'm a socialist. What's wrong with that?
SEAN: I think the Scoop Jackson Democrats. The Reagan Democrats have almost become extinct in the Democratic Party.
GLENN: I agree on that.
SEAN: Hillary does not have the political skills of her husband. She does not have the speech-giving ability of Obama. I think she is intimately unlikable. I don't think she likes people. Which is why they have ponied up all of these public appearances of hers. And they keep on putting Democratic plants because she's not really capable of relating to real people. And I think she has nothing, but disdain and contempt for going out and eating pork chops and fried Twinkies and actually shaking people's hands and listening to what their real concerns are. I think she's an ambitious politician and a very poor to mediocre one, at that. And I think with all these recent revelations, she is in a heap of trouble, even with Loretta Lynch as the attorney general.
GLENN: Sean, you and I have talked off the air quite a bit. And the -- nobody in this audience would be surprised that when I'm on the phone, that it would go to very dark places. But I think people might be surprised that you also feel we are in life and death -- you can be as depressing as I am.
SEAN: Stu and Pat there.
GLENN: They're not going to help you.
PAT: Nobody is as depressing as you, Glenn.
SEAN: By the way, I'm friends with all three of you guys. You're all good guys.
Here's my take. I vacillate back and forth. You know, we're a country. Think of what we've been able to overcome: The Revolution that founded this country. A civil war that tore us apart. A Great Depression. Two world wars. The '60s. Vietnam. Jimmy Carter. And we will overcome the disaster that is known as the Barack Obama presidency. We are a resilient people. We can bounce back.
What I'm most afraid of, the dark thinking that you're asking about, is that the numbers now don't add up anymore.
GLENN: Yeah. It's not the Barack Obama administration. It's -- it's the mistakes of the last really 70 or 90 years since we started giving away stuff for free.
PAT: Well, and we vacillate too between thinking, hey, we're going for make it, and there's no way out. We're done as a people. You can't help, but do that with the ebb and flow of this --
GLENN: And when you say we've made it. A, we didn't have the numbers that we have now. And, B, we had the moral backbone. I mean, Sean, do we even have the moral backbone now to pull out of this?
SEAN: Here's the problem. Is now decades of socialist indoctrination in our schools. People that come to this country that don't want freedom and liberty and opportunity and with it, responsibility. But too many people have been mentally conditioned to think that they have a right to health care. A right to housing. A right to dental care. A right to day care. And they think that it's the government's job to take from one group of people. They'll empower the government to take from one group of people and redistribute to another group of people.
My concern is this: I don't care who the Democratic nominee is. You can pretty much count on at least 47, if not 48, if not 49 percent of the American people that will vote for whoever the Democrats put up. For a Republican to win, you know, you start out without New York, New Jersey. Most likely, without Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan. But you might be able to put Michigan and Wisconsin in play. I'll leave that open. On a long shot, maybe Pennsylvania. But you don't have California, Oregon, or Washington. And for a Republican to win, think about this, you have to take the purple state of Florida. You got to take the state of Ohio, which went for Barack Obama in the last election -- I think the last two. Then you have a battleground with North Carolina --
GLENN: See what I'm saying. I know. I know. I get it. I'm going to go load my gun now and blow my brains out.
But, Sean, we got to run. I thank you so much. And god bless you.
SEAN: All right. Love -- love the dialogue. Good to talk to you.
GLENN: Thanks. Good to talk to you.
SEAN: And you starting this was a good thing.
GLENN: God bless you. Thanks, man. Sean Hannity.