Glenn's powerful interview with NRA member seeking to oust Grover Norquist from NRA board

August 26, 2015

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On radio Wednesday, Glenn spoke with Stu Weber, a life-time NRA member, who has taken matters into his own hands in starting a petition to recall Grover Norquist from the NRA board.

This fascinated Glenn, who said Norquist is among the "top ten most dangerous men in America on the right because you don't see him coming."

Listen to the exchange or read the transcript below.

Below is a rush transcript of this segment, it might contain errors.

GLENN: Grover Norquist is a guy that honestly when the left used to say, you know, Grover Norquist, he's a bad guy. He's a real puppet master. I was like, I don't even know who Grover Norquist is. We used to ridicule people who said he was a bad guy.

PAT: We used to do Grover Sesame jokes.

GLENN: Right. Because he --

PAT: Silly to us.

GLENN: Like a lizzie (phonetic). Then we found out who Grover Norquist is. Grover Norquist, most people just think of him as a low tax guy or a free market guy. He's a very dangerous guy. Very dangerous. I believe on the right, he is one of the more dangerous people on the right. Probably top ten most dangerous men in America on the right because you don't see him coming. You don't know who he is or what he's capable of or really what his viewpoint is. He's done so much to enable the Muslim Brotherhood and radicalized Islam here in America, that it is -- it's inexcusable and there's no way -- I mean, we had him on the show. And took him apart. And there's no way to answer logically anything that he is trying to defend. He is friends with some of the worst people in the world, and business associates.

So, anyway, we did this exposé and the NRA is doing an investigation on him. And somebody brought to my attention a new website called Recall Grover Norquist. I think it's called recallGrover.com. And Stu Weber is the guy who started this. And we wanted to get him on. Hi, Stu, how are you?

STU WEBER: I'm very fine, Glenn. A little intimidated talking to the king of talk, you know.

GLENN: Yeah, I know. Well, you going to be talking to Rush later? Because now you're just talking to me.

So, Stu, tell me why you're doing this.

STU WEBER: Well, I'm one of the little people that's in that phrase, we, the people. I live out here in the northwest, have all my life, except when I went to college in Vietnam. And I love my country, and I appreciate the NRA. And I read a lot. I enjoy Bonhoeffer as you do. I remember his statement, not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act. And I have breakfast every week with two or three guys, who -- we just talk about personal growth issues and concerns. And we finally decided one day, it's time to stop talking, and it's time to do something. So each of us picked a task. And mine ended up being, I'll help the NRA focus on its mission today at a crucial point in our 2016 election cycle and not get distracted by things like Grover.

GLENN: Grover has temporarily stepped aside while this investigation is going on. But it's going to be a long, drawn-out thing. And expensive. And that's the one thing that really kills me with the NRA is that it's really expensive. And they need to focus on winning an election.

STU WEBER: That's where I'm at.

GLENN: Okay. But you're not just trying to get -- you know who Grover is? I mean, why is --

STU WEBER: Well, I've done a lot of reading about Islam. So when I see certain names in association with certain people, it raises my eyebrows. To start at the very beginning, I believe in the Constitution. I took an oath to defend it. It never expires. And I particularly value the first and second amendments because there wouldn't have been a Constitution ratified without them.

And the first one is my freedom of religion and faith and assembly and speech and press. And the second one is the ability to defend it. So those two are very important to me. And that makes the NRA very important to me.

And I happen to know from reading, there is no freedom of religion in Islam. It's, by definition, a state religion. It's a totalitarian way of life. It dictates the religious, economic, social, military, political lives of all the people. It's called a caliphate, a single word. And that's very scary to me.

And then in 2005, I was reading a book by a guy named Paul Sperry called Infiltration: How Muslim Subversives Have Penetrated Washington. And it was scary. It was real. And there was an entire chapter, maybe even a little more than a chapter devoted to Mr. Norquist, whose name to me at that time was just as you described earlier, a conservative tax guy. And I liked that a whole lot. So I was a little surprised by what I read there in 2005. And now it's been years.

GLENN: And nobody has done anything.

STU WEBER: It's an old adage, tell me who your friends are, and I'll tell you who you are. And that's what's so scary to me.

GLENN: Exactly. So how can we help you? What has to be done? How does this work?

STU WEBER: Well, thank you. It's all spelled out in the bylaws of the NRA. They're available in different spots on the web. But I think --

GLENN: You're not with the NRA?

STU WEBER: No, no.

GLENN: You're just a member.

STU WEBER: I'm just a member. I think I initially joined probably in the '70s. I forget. And I have never really done anything with the NRA except read the magazines. But when I kind of vowed to take some action, this one came to mind.

So all we have to do, according to the bylaws, is get 450 life members or 450 people who have been a member of the NRA for five years or more to sign a petition to recall an individual. And those 450 petitioners, there needs to be at least 100 from three different states. So I encourage all my friends to grab all their friends that live nearby and get them to sign this.

And all we have to do is go on that website that's recallGrover.com. And it's only a one-page thing. It's not complicated. There's only two little press points. One gives you a summarizing link of all the research that reflects some of those associations that you've referred to that Mr. Norquist has. It's phenomenal. And the people that I think you've mentioned them in the past, that put this together are amazing kinds of people, like a former US Attorney General, like CIA Director James Woolsey, who, by the way, I had the privilege of sitting in a national security seminar and listening to him at the Army War College years ago. Brilliant, thoughtful, patriot, wise. And I know he feels pretty strongly about Grover. And I happen to know Jerry Boykin as well. And they both signed this letter, along with eight other highly credible, professional, intelligent practitioners. They know what they're talking about. And you can't just dismiss them like children on a playground saying nah, nah, nah -- into calling names.

So the petition is 450 names. We need to fill them out correctly. All you do is press the -- get the information on that one little link there. Then download the form. Then fill out the form correctly. All it needs is your name and your membership number. But it needs to be the name that you have with the NRA, like their records. Your address. Your signature. And sign it and date it. And snail mail it to the NRA. It's that simple.

GLENN: I mailed mine yesterday. So you know.

STU WEBER: I did too.

STU: What happens when you get the 450 petitions that make it to the NRA?

STU WEBER: Well, by the bylaws, the board calls together a special hearing committee, and they review the petition to make sure they're all qualified people. And then they go ahead, and this hearing committee makes a recommendation to the board. And there's published in the NRA magazine issue that follows, a ballot. And -- so all we're trying to do is get NRA members to have a voice. I mean, they're members. And we're not trying to indict anybody or convict anybody or send anybody to prison or any media fanfare. We just want to give the guys a voice and remove this distraction and expense, which is killing the NRA at a crucial time.

GLENN: What I understand it will do is, it will bring it to the NRA. The NRA then has the board look at the charges. And then they say, yes, we think he should be removed, or no, we don't. Then that's published in the magazine. Then it goes to a general vote, right?

STU WEBER: Yes, that's my understanding, as well.

GLENN: Okay. Stu, thank you very much. And I appreciate it. Thank you for standing. This is exactly what we've been talking about, is just regular people, not waiting around. Like you said, just sitting with three friends. And you're all like, I'm going to do something. What is my thing I'm going to do?

STU WEBER: Yep. Exactly. I'm with you. And I appreciate you. And I thank you for supporting us this way with a little opportunity to put the website out there.

GLENN: You bet. When are these due?

STU WEBER: Yeah. Crucial, crucial question. I'm sorry I hadn't mentioned it before. We have to have all this done and all the petitions into the NRA headquarters in Fairfax, Virginia, by September 14th. Basically in two weeks.

GLENN: So you got to do it today.

STU WEBER: You got to do it today.

GLENN: Go to recallGrover.com. RecallGrover.com. Fill it out. We need 450. They have to be filled out exactly right.

STU WEBER: Yes.

GLENN: And then that process will go through. Stu, thank you very much.

STU WEBER: Thank you.

GLENN: I'm with you, brother. Thank you. RecallGrover.com.

Featured Image: Grover Norquist, founder and president of Americans for Tax Reform, participates in a session on "Strategic Communication" at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) at National Harbor, Maryland, outside Washington, on February 26, 2015. AFP PHOTO/NICHOLAS KAMM (Photo credit should read NICHOLAS KAMM/AFP/Getty Images)

'Rage against the dying of the light': Charlie Kirk lived that mandate

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Kirk’s tragic death challenges us to rise above fear and anger, to rebuild bridges where others build walls, and to fight for the America he believed in.

I’ve only felt this weight once before. It was 2001, just as my radio show was about to begin. The World Trade Center fell, and I was called to speak immediately. I spent the day and night by my bedside, praying for words that could meet the moment.

Yesterday, I found myself in the same position. September 11, 2025. The assassination of Charlie Kirk. A friend. A warrior for truth.

Out of this tragedy, the tyrant dies, but the martyr’s influence begins.

Moments like this make words feel inadequate. Yet sometimes, words from another time speak directly to our own. In 1947, Dylan Thomas, watching his father slip toward death, penned lines that now resonate far beyond his own grief:

Do not go gentle into that good night. / Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Thomas was pleading for his father to resist the impending darkness of death. But those words have become a mandate for all of us: Do not surrender. Do not bow to shadows. Even when the battle feels unwinnable.

Charlie Kirk lived that mandate. He knew the cost of speaking unpopular truths. He knew the fury of those who sought to silence him. And yet he pressed on. In his life, he embodied a defiance rooted not in anger, but in principle.

Picking up his torch

Washington, Jefferson, Adams — our history was started by men who raged against an empire, knowing the gallows might await. Lincoln raged against slavery. Martin Luther King Jr. raged against segregation. Every generation faces a call to resist surrender.

It is our turn. Charlie’s violent death feels like a knockout punch. Yet if his life meant anything, it means this: Silence in the face of darkness is not an option.

He did not go gently. He spoke. He challenged. He stood. And now, the mantle falls to us. To me. To you. To every American.

We cannot drift into the shadows. We cannot sit quietly while freedom fades. This is our moment to rage — not with hatred, not with vengeance, but with courage. Rage against lies, against apathy, against the despair that tells us to do nothing. Because there is always something you can do.

Even small acts — defiance, faith, kindness — are light in the darkness. Reaching out to those who mourn. Speaking truth in a world drowning in deceit. These are the flames that hold back the night. Charlie carried that torch. He laid it down yesterday. It is ours to pick up.

The light may dim, but it always does before dawn. Commit today: I will not sleep as freedom fades. I will not retreat as darkness encroaches. I will not be silent as evil forces claim dominion. I have no king but Christ. And I know whom I serve, as did Charlie.

Two turning points, decades apart

On Wednesday, the world changed again. Two tragedies, separated by decades, bound by the same question: Who are we? Is this worth saving? What kind of people will we choose to be?

Imagine a world where more of us choose to be peacemakers. Not passive, not silent, but builders of bridges where others erect walls. Respect and listening transform even the bitterest of foes. Charlie Kirk embodied this principle.

He did not strike the weak; he challenged the powerful. He reached across divides of politics, culture, and faith. He changed hearts. He sparked healing. And healing is what our nation needs.

At the center of all this is one truth: Every person is a child of God, deserving of dignity. Change will not happen in Washington or on social media. It begins at home, where loneliness and isolation threaten our souls. Family is the antidote. Imperfect, yes — but still the strongest source of stability and meaning.

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Forgiveness, fidelity, faithfulness, and honor are not dusty words. They are the foundation of civilization. Strong families produce strong citizens. And today, Charlie’s family mourns. They must become our family too. We must stand as guardians of his legacy, shining examples of the courage he lived by.

A time for courage

I knew Charlie. I know how he would want us to respond: Multiply his courage. Out of this tragedy, the tyrant dies, but the martyr’s influence begins. Out of darkness, great and glorious things will sprout — but we must be worthy of them.

Charlie Kirk lived defiantly. He stood in truth. He changed the world. And now, his torch is in our hands. Rage, not in violence, but in unwavering pursuit of truth and goodness. Rage against the dying of the light.

This article originally appeared on TheBlaze.com.

Glenn Beck resurrects the 9-12 Project to support Charlie Kirk's family

Glenn Beck is once again calling on his loyal listeners and viewers to come together and channel the same unity and purpose that defined the historic 9-12 Project. That movement, born in the wake of national challenges, brought millions together to revive core values of faith, hope, and charity.

Glenn created the original 9-12 Project in early 2009 to bring Americans back to where they were in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. In those moments, we weren't Democrats and Republicans, conservative or liberal, Red States or Blue States, we were united as one, as America. The original 9-12 Project aimed to root America back in the founding principles of this country that united us during those darkest of days.

This new initiative draws directly from that legacy, focusing on supporting the family of Charlie Kirk in these dark days following his tragic murder.

The revival of the 9-12 Project aims to secure the long-term well-being of Charlie Kirk's wife and children. All donations will go straight to meeting their immediate and future needs. If the family deems the funds surplus to their requirements, Charlie's wife has the option to redirect them toward the vital work of Turning Point USA.

This campaign is more than just financial support—it's a profound gesture of appreciation for Kirk's tireless dedication to the cause of liberty. It embodies the unbreakable bond of our community, proving that when we stand united, we can make a real difference.
Glenn Beck invites you to join this effort. Show your solidarity by donating today and honoring Charlie Kirk and his family in this meaningful way.

You can learn more about the 9-12 Project and donate HERE

The dangerous lie: Rights as government privileges, not God-given

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When politicians claim that rights flow from the state, they pave the way for tyranny.

Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) recently delivered a lecture that should alarm every American. During a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing, he argued that believing rights come from a Creator rather than government is the same belief held by Iran’s theocratic regime.

Kaine claimed that the principles underpinning Iran’s dictatorship — the same regime that persecutes Sunnis, Jews, Christians, and other minorities — are also the principles enshrined in our Declaration of Independence.

In America, rights belong to the individual. In Iran, rights serve the state.

That claim exposes either a profound misunderstanding or a reckless indifference to America’s founding. Rights do not come from government. They never did. They come from the Creator, as the Declaration of Independence proclaims without qualification. Jefferson didn’t hedge. Rights are unalienable — built into every human being.

This foundation stands worlds apart from Iran. Its leaders invoke God but grant rights only through clerical interpretation. Freedom of speech, property, religion, and even life itself depend on obedience to the ruling clerics. Step outside their dictates, and those so-called rights vanish.

This is not a trivial difference. It is the essence of liberty versus tyranny. In America, rights belong to the individual. The government’s role is to secure them, not define them. In Iran, rights serve the state. They empower rulers, not the people.

From Muhammad to Marx

The same confusion applies to Marxist regimes. The Soviet Union’s constitutions promised citizens rights — work, health care, education, freedom of speech — but always with fine print. If you spoke out against the party, those rights evaporated. If you practiced religion openly, you were charged with treason. Property and voting were allowed as long as they were filtered and controlled by the state — and could be revoked at any moment. Rights were conditional, granted through obedience.

Kaine seems to be advocating a similar approach — whether consciously or not. By claiming that natural rights are somehow comparable to sharia law, he ignores the critical distinction between inherent rights and conditional privileges. He dismisses the very principle that made America a beacon of freedom.

Jefferson and the founders understood this clearly. “We are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights,” they wrote. No government, no cleric, no king can revoke them. They exist by virtue of humanity itself. The government exists to protect them, not ration them.

This is not a theological quibble. It is the entire basis of our government. Confuse the source of rights, and tyranny hides behind piety or ideology. The people are disempowered. Clerics, bureaucrats, or politicians become arbiters of what rights citizens may enjoy.

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Gifts from God, not the state

Kaine’s statement reflects either a profound ignorance of this principle or an ideological bias that favors state power over individual liberty. Either way, Americans must recognize the danger. Understanding the origin of rights is not academic — it is the difference between freedom and submission, between the American experiment and theocratic or totalitarian rule.

Rights are not gifts from the state. They are gifts from God, secured by reason, protected by law, and defended by the people. Every American must understand this. Because when rights come from government instead of the Creator, freedom disappears.

This article originally appeared on TheBlaze.com.

POLL: Is Gen Z’s anger over housing driving them toward socialism?

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A recent poll conducted by Justin Haskins, a long-time friend of the show, has uncovered alarming trends among young Americans aged 18-39, revealing a generation grappling with deep frustrations over economic hardships, housing affordability, and a perceived rigged system that favors the wealthy, corporations, and older generations. While nearly half of these likely voters approve of President Trump, seeing him as an anti-establishment figure, over 70% support nationalizing major industries, such as healthcare, energy, and big tech, to promote "equity." Shockingly, 53% want a democratic socialist to win the 2028 presidential election, including a third of Trump voters and conservatives in this age group. Many cite skyrocketing housing costs, unfair taxation on the middle class, and a sense of being "stuck" or in crisis as driving forces, with 62% believing the economy is tilted against them and 55% backing laws to confiscate "excess wealth" like second homes or luxury items to help first-time buyers.

This blend of Trump support and socialist leanings suggests a volatile mix: admiration for disruptors who challenge the status quo, coupled with a desire for radical redistribution to address personal struggles. Yet, it raises profound questions about the roots of this discontent—Is it a failure of education on history's lessons about socialism's failures? Media indoctrination? Or genuine systemic barriers? And what does it portend for the nation’s trajectory—greater division, a shift toward authoritarian policies, or an opportunity for renewal through timeless values like hard work and individual responsibility?

Glenn wants to know what YOU think: Where do Gen Z's socialist sympathies come from? What does it mean for the future of America? Make your voice heard in the poll below:

Do you believe the Gen Z support for socialism comes from perceived economic frustrations like unaffordable housing and a rigged system favoring the wealthy and corporations?

Do you believe the Gen Z support for socialism, including many Trump supporters, is due to a lack of education about the historical failures of socialist systems?

Do you think that these poll results indicate a growing generational divide that could lead to more political instability and authoritarian tendencies in America's future?

Do you think that this poll implies that America's long-term stability relies on older generations teaching Gen Z and younger to prioritize self-reliance, free-market ideals, and personal accountability?

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