Towards the end of his radio program Friday, Glenn spoke with Rep Louie Gohmert to discuss the Speaker of the House situation.
Right away, Glenn told Gohmert, "you may be our last guest from Congress ever on this show."
Gohmert seemed to share Glenn's frustration with the conservative members of Congress who are now lining up to support Paul Ryan as Speaker of the House.
"You understand what a rare person it is that will give up power like Washington did," Gohmert said.
Speaking of Daniel Webster, who Glenn did his homework on and endorsed, Gohmert added, "He has shown, he can give up power of his own and get it back to the members."
Listen to the dialogue or read the transcript below.
Below is a rush transcript of this segment, it might contain errors.
GLENN: We're just stalling -- Louie is on now. Let's go to Louie. Hello, Louie, how are you?
LOUIE: Well, as far as I know, but I'll take Gary Cooper for 100.
GLENN: All right. So, Louie, we're debating right now, you may be our last guest from Congress ever on this show.
LOUIE: Oh, no.
GLENN: Seriously.
LOUIE: Somebody around here has got to keep up the hope.
GLENN: Well, it's not us. It's not us. I am -- I just had Barry Loudermilk -- what do you think of Barry Loudermilk?
LOUIE: I like him. I like him a lot.
GLENN: Okay. Well, that doesn't work out well then for what I'm about to tell you. Because I was mad as hell, and I had him earlier this broadcast. And we had very cross --
LOUIE: Is he falling in line to support Paul Ryan?
GLENN: Yes, he has. Yes, he has.
LOUIE: Okay.
GLENN: And he told us because Paul has told him he's going to do the right thing this time. And he didn't know -- the first time when it was Daniel Webster, he didn't know who Daniel Webster was. And this time when it was Daniel Webster, he didn't even know who it was. He had to Google him.
PAT: So...
LOUIE: Okay.
GLENN: But he's voting for Paul Ryan because he has a grandchild, so it's for the children.
LOUIE: Wow, okay. Okay. Well, and that would be a reason that I would especially stay with my pledge to support Dan. I mean, you know. You've studied this stuff. And even back when you were on Fox and you had your blackboard and you were doing all this, Glenn. You understand what a rare person it is that will give up power like Washington did.
GLENN: Yes.
LOUIE: And you told us stories of that man. So, yeah, you know, Dan doesn't have the voting record that -- that I do or Thomas Massie that just walked in my office here. But he has shown, he can -- he can give up power of his own and get it back to the members. And, really, if we did that in this Congress, where we know two-thirds to three-fourths represent very conservative districts, but for years now, since -- actually since Tom DeLay was thrown out because he got indicted, we elected John Boehner as our leader. And we -- it has been nine years of marginalizing the two-thirds to three-fourths of our conference that was very conservative, and getting them to march to the tune of the moderates. And so I thought this was a real opportunity. And I didn't just think it. It is. It has been. And here we go. We're --
GLENN: Yeah, we've blown it again.
LOUIE: And this goes back. And Steve King told me before, God, you remember so many of these details. And I don't know. But it -- but going back to 2006 -- yeah, you told me I got 12 minutes. All right. I'll get this in.
Back in 2006, Bush had been pushing -- I'm a freshman. Bush was pushing to reform Social Security, and nobody was ready to jump on board, or not enough people for what he wanted to do. But I was talking to guys, and I felt like we had a movement going forward. I was excited. How about if we just do an initial reform by putting real money in the Social Security lockbox? And Al Gore there. But, anyway, because since the 1930s, as you know, they have immediately spent Social Security money as it went into the trust fund. There's never been anything to talk about. Nothing, but nonnegotiable IOUs. So how about if you put real money in there, made some kind of interest-bearing bonds, and we could be growing interest on that money instead of growing nothing and spending as it comes in.
And I got excited. A lot of guys were getting excited. Yeah, this could be -- we could probably get Democrats to vote for this. And so I went to the guy -- this was back in early 2006, that -- you know, so many of us have respect for on financial issues. I said, "Paul, what about if we, you know, put real money in Social Security. I think we got enough people to do it. I think we can get Democrat votes." He said, "Louie, we could never do that." And I said, "Why not?" I was shocked.
He said, "Well, because if we put real money in the Social Security trust fund, we end up buying bonds and securities, and we end up playing into the security market. We could never ever under any circumstances allow the government to do that."
And so imagine my surprise when two years later, I'm hearing my friend Paul down there in the well of the House telling people that we have to do the Wall Street bailout. We've got to do TARP because only the federal government has enough money and wherewithal to buy these mortgage-backed securities and hold them until they had value. I'm going, "Gosh, I wish that guy had been around back in 2006. We could have started reform on Social Security."
And I just knew TARP was so wrong. And it opened -- you know, I liked George W. Bush, but I think that was a bigger mistake than Iraq because it opened this door to everything Obama has done.
GLENN: Oh, yeah.
LOUIE: No way Obama gets $900 billion in January if Bush doesn't get 700 billion back in October. It opened the door to all kinds of calamities.
And, also, there's also a reason Louie Gutierrez is a big fan of Paul's because of similar positions on amnesty. And some of the guys around here say, if we do an amnesty, we're done. Texas goes blue. You know, things go blue. And it's lost. Because people, as you've been trying to educate, you have to understand about the responsibilities before you're allowed to vote. And when you bring them in and say, "Here. Learn how to get benefits," you're not ready to vote yet. So, anyway --
GLENN: So, Louie.
LOUIE: One other point though. This is so critical to me. It's a big issue to me.
GLENN: Well, you're the last congressman we'll ever have on this show. So go ahead. Go out in style.
LOUIE: Okay. Well, in the late '70s, Democrats and Republicans all agreed, if DC were ever going to have a full voting US representative, you have to amend the Constitution. They got it passed through Congress with two-thirds. Didn't get three-fourths of the states to ratify it. And so it didn't become an amendment.
So when we're in the minority in like '07, the Democrats bring a bill to amend the Constitution legislatively. And my friend and the guy I respect, Paul Ryan, supported it. He voted for it. And I'm telling you, there's just too many mistakes like that that are so foundational.
GLENN: They're not mistakes. Look, the G.O.P. has signed itself over to the -- to the Mitt Romneys of the world. And -- and, you know, that's -- that's where they're going. They're just going to ignore the people on the street that believe that we should return to a constitutional government. A constitutional republic. And do the things that the people want to do. I'm convinced that people like Paul Ryan -- I don't know Paul himself. But people like him. The G.O.P. kind of guys. They despise the average person that votes G.O.P. They just don't -- they think we're stupid. They don't agree with us. And, you know, you just don't know. You know, when you have somebody like Barry Loudermilk who comes on and says, "We have to return to the basic values. And I will go. And I need leadership. And I will vote against John Boehner." And then he votes for John Boehner. It's just, "Well, things have changed. I didn't understand. I'm more enlightened now that I'm here." That's ridiculous.
LOUIE: I don't know. But I can tell you though there is a remnant. Hey, Thomas, say hi to Glenn Beck.
THOMAS: How you doing, Glenn? This is Thomas Massie.
GLENN: Hey, Thomas.
LOUIE: Even though he went to MIT, he's a hero of mine. He's a smart guy.
GLENN: Thomas was on the show with us yesterday.
LOUIE: I just love him.
GLENN: Tom, I have to tell you, we have two people -- this is going out in style. You two are the last congressmen and senators we're ever going to have on this show. Because I can't do it anymore. I can't do it anymore. And I don't think the American people can do it anymore. We're sitting here. We're in here pitching for you. We want to help you.
LOUIE: Yeah, you have been.
GLENN: But every time the people call, they do things, it ends up that friends of yours betray us. And it's like --
LOUIE: Well...
GLENN: Where do we go, Tom? Where do we go, Thomas?
THOMAS: Look, apathy is the enemy. Don't let apathy get to you. Don't let it get to the listeners.
GLENN: It's not apathy. It's betrayal. Over and over and over again. It's just betrayal.
THOMAS: I know it's so tough. So many people put their faith in other men and women who have let them down. But there are a few of us up here who are not giving up. I guarantee you.
LOUIE: Well, I got to tell you, Glenn, we've been a little flippant here. But I know you're crushed. And I can tell you, I'm lower than a snake's belly in a wagon rut.
(laughter)
LOUIE: This is not a happy time for me right now. I mean, you know...
PAT: Yeah.
GLENN: You know what, because there are -- I know there is a handful of guys who are really, really great. You two are two of them. I trust you. I can't believe those words are coming out of my mouth after the past few days, but I trust you two. And you guys have never let us down. And you guys are way out on the limb. You know, maybe what I would like to do is, I would like to sit down with the -- whoever it is -- and I want -- I want to know their name. And I want to look them in the eye and I want to know, "We're going to the wall. We're never going to sit down. We're never going to shut up." And maybe we just make this, you know, a caucus, if you will. And we know exactly who those guys are. And those are the only people that we're supporting. Because I can't take it anymore. I can't take the betrayal anymore.
LOUIE: Well, I understand that.
THOMAS: Keep this in mind, Glenn. The establishment here is terrified. They're actually scared.
GLENN: They have a strange way of showing it.
THOMAS: Well, Speaker Boehner is gone. Kevin McCarthy is not moving up. Eric Cantor HEP lost. These are three of their top generals who lost in the last 18 months.
GLENN: Right, but they just replaced him with Paul Ryan who will be stronger than any of those guys.
THOMAS: We will -- we will see. I mean, I hope he succeeds. I'm not hoping --
GLENN: Right. Right.
THOMAS: If he wins, I mean, we still have a race. There's still an election. I'm still for the Daniel Webster. But even if he should prevail, you know, we want him to succeed.
GLENN: Right. I get that. And I said to Barry Loudermilk today, we had him on the show. And he did not have a pleasant appearance on the program.
THOMAS: Oh, I'm sorry.
GLENN: I'm just mad as hell. But, you know, I said to him, I said, "Look, Barry, I appreciate the fact that you came on, you took the heat. And you add to stood here. He's the only one. We called all of them. None of them would come on. He actually did. And he stated his case. And I said, "Look, I'll be the first to say, thank God, you were right, but what do you -- what evidence do you have?" This happens this way every single time. And then we always say, "Well, I trusted him that time."
LOUIE: As an old history major with four years in the Army, you know, are destined to repeat it. When somebody has a long history, not just once -- and I'll tell you, John voted for the Wall Street bailout and he immediately after said, "I am so sorry. Worst vote of my life. I never should have done that." Well, I can respect a guy that at least acknowledged that. You know, I liked Romney, but he would never admit that Romneycare was a disaster. That would have helped.
GLENN: I know.
LOUIE: But anyway --
GLENN: Hang on. Louie, I have to -- I'm sorry. I have a network break. And I appreciate it.
LOUIE: I know how that goes.
GLENN: And thank you guys for actually having a spine and standing. If you can get me a list of names. I would love to put that on and broadcast so everybody knows who these people are who actually are standing. Because I ain't going to forget the names that didn't.
LOUIE: Our spines are stout, but we might need you to prop up our dead stout bodies.
GLENN: Thank you so much. I appreciate it. God bless you. Buh-bye.
