Joining Glenn on his radio program Monday, author and commentator Michelle Malkin tore into what she termed the "crapweasels" who are "screwing America's best and brightest workers."
Malkin shared with Glenn how her newest book exposes the lies perpetrated by high-tech billionaires and others who pretend to champion the middle class while aiding and abetting massive layoffs of highly skilled American workers in favor of cheap foreign labor.
"Here you have Google and Facebook and Microsoft and Bill Gates marching up on Capitol Hill and having his ring kissed - not just by Democrats, but by the likes of Orrin Hatch - pleading that they need more of these cheap foreign workers because there's an American worker shortage," Malkin said. "It's about exploiting our immigration and entrance policies for their own personal and private gain."
At one point in the interview, Glenn turned the conversation to politics.
"So you're saying Trump is your guy?" he asked.
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GLENN: Michelle Malkin is amazing. She's one of the more intelligent people on our side. I'm glad she is on our side. And she is just a machine. And I'm just looking at her book. And she's got about 100 pages of -- of footnotes in this book. About crap weasels. Which I think is a -- it's my new favorite word. And Michelle Malkin is here. The book is called Sold Out. Hi, Michelle, how are you?
MICHELLE: Good. How are you, Glenn?
GLENN: I'm very good.
I want you to talk to you a little about your book, but I want you to tie it into politics as well. Because what you're talking about here is being talked about all the time when it comes to immigration. And you're talking about how these high-tech billionaires and the politicians are selling the American worker out.
MICHELLE: Well, they are. And for the longest time, people were not talking about it, largely because there's collusion between open borders journalists who are essentially water carriers and propagandists for people who don't believe in putting America first. Collusion along with the water carriers on Capitol Hill who pocket a lot of money from high-tech billionaires and other special interests. We've talked about the national US chamber of commerce many times, Glenn. They're a huge part of this as well. But I think that high-skilled workers, these are our best and brightest in fields like science, technology, engineering, mathematics, information technology, have got the short end of the stick in so much of these presidential election cycles. And it really only is recently because there are so many cases and so many stories now breaking out into the headlines, which we document right off the bat in the introduction. Tens and tens of thousands of high-skilled American workers who are being laid off and forced to essentially dig their own graves, forced by American companies who are really American companies in name only, to agree to train these low-wage mediocre tech workers largely from India who come here, soak up all the knowledge that our American workers are forced to give them, and then go back and offshore those jobs right outside of our country.
Who does that benefit? Well, it benefits a lot of these Silicon Valley CEOs and many of the special interests, which we document quite heavily, as you mentioned in the book
GLENN: Give me an example. Because I know right at the very beginning, I mean, you want to talk about one that is right current with the headlines. Right at the very beginning, you talk about Disney.
MICHELLE: Yes. And this is a story that was broken by a very, very good reporter at Computer World, Patrick Thibodeau, and then belatedly picked up by the New York Times, finally piercing the conscience of most of the mainstream media which has looked the other way. And at Disney, there were many, many workers who were called in. They felt that they were going to be rewarded after performing very exceptionally on IT projects. These are information technology workers and then were informed that they were being sacked and that they were going to have to train their replacements who were coming from an offshore outsourcing firm from India. And we name a lot of the names of these companies that are not widely known by the public. Firms like Cognizant, Infosys, and Tata, which have been doing this for decades now.
And these are the companies that soak up a lot of these so-called H-1B visas that people like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg march on Capitol Hill and demand more and more from. And why is that? It's because they can replace high-skilled American workers with these cheaper inferior replacements. And they have an insatiable pipeline to a foreign cheap worker supply that goes really unmonitored and unenforced when it comes to the basic American worker protections, which were originally built into the law in 1990.
And my coauthor, John Miano, has seen does this firsthand on the ground. He's an incredible guy. He was a software engineer who was affected by these H-1B racket policies who then decided he wasn't just going to sit on the sidelines. He went back to school. Went to law school. And now represents American high-skilled workers who have been harmed by these programs.
And, in fact, he has two lawsuits right now that are going through the courts. He's had a measure of success in trying to hold accountable, not just liberal Democrats and the Obama administration, but previous to that, the George W. Bush administration which was also responsible for taking basically the concept of administrative amnesty and expanding by executive fiat these visa programs without any public input and without any congressional deliberation. It's an outrage. And people need to know about it.
GLENN: You talk about George Soros, you talk about Michael Bloomberg, but you also talk about one of my favorite people, Grover Norquist.
MICHELLE: Oh, yes. Of course, he's quite in the middle of all of the dirty double dealing and sabotage and betrayal of American workers. His name has long been attached to efforts to pass massive illegal alien amnesties. But what a lot of people don't know is that he's been in the middle of trying to expand a lot of the guest worker racket programs as well.
And so in a chapter that we called Legion of Doom, we traced the entire money trail, and as you mentioned -- I think this is very interesting and people need to know about it because it's very germane to the presidential campaign cycle and the G.O.P. candidates -- George Soros funded something called the National Immigration Forum, which has long pressed for opposing tracking and deporting visa overstayers, opposing employer sanctions, and vastly expanding these guest worker programs.
Well, there were a lot of left-wing immigration lawyers that were behind this. And they hooked up with people like Grover Norquist, the US Chamber of Commerce, the Cato Institute, Spencer Abraham, who was essentially Marco Rubio version 1.0 back in the 1990s, whose legislative director was Cesar Conda, who ended up working for Marco Rubio as well.
There's the Abramoff connections here as well. And it's sickening when you read all the details about the dirty backroom deals that sabotage true immigration enforcement measures that would have protected not only the American economy and the American workers, but American national security as well.
GLENN: So, Michelle, let's switch to the politics here a little bit. And tell us -- I mean, you just brought up Marco Rubio. Is there anybody in the field that you trust with this stuff?
MICHELLE: (sighing). Well, you know, my issues with Donald Trump have been well-known. He called me some nasty names a couple of years ago because I disagreed vehemently with his cheerleading of eminent domain. Anyone who is a limited government conservative was disgusted by the kind of property rights violations that were brought up in the Kelo case and the expansive use of government to confiscate people's private property so that public subsidies are used to do everything from fund private mall garages to casinos.
And obviously I -- I have a lot of reservations. But despite all that, the one thing that that man is doing right is listening to Jeff Sessions. Jeff Sessions is a leader out there on Capitol Hill. One of the few who actually speaks to the anxieties and concerns of American workers. Why is it that in all of these G.O.P. debates about jobs and economy, you never hear these establishment donorist class candidates -- Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush -- actually address the impact that these open borders policies are having on American high-skilled workers.
There are roughly 11.4 million out of 15 million Americans who have so-called STEM degrees who are not working in those fields because of this H-1B rackets. And here you have Google and Facebook and Microsoft and Bill Gates marching up on Capitol Hill and having his ring kissed, not just by Democrats, but by the likes of Orrin Hatch, pleading that they need more of these cheap foreign workers because there's an American worker shortage, a tech worker crisis, at the time that Google brags that there are 1,000 applications for every one of its openings. They're lying to you. It's about their special interests. It's about lining their pockets. It's about exploiting our immigration and entrance policies for their own personal and private gain.
GLENN: So you're saying Trump is your guy?
MICHELLE: What I would like to see is every G.O.P. candidate do what Donald Trump has done and listen to Jeff Sessions. I don't understand why someone who I have an enormous amount of respect for and have said many positive things about over the campaign because I believe he's a man of principle, Ted Cruz, turned around and advocated for the quintupling of H-1B visas. It makes absolutely no sense.
GLENN: Have you talked to him about it?
MICHELLE: I have not. And I'm going to make sure that each and every one of these candidates has a copy of our book. In fact, what I would like to see every one of the 535 public representatives on Capitol Hill have a copy of the book. In large part, I think that this is a huge educational and almost evangelical mission on the part of my author, John Miano, and I to make sure that people know what the heck they're talking about.
There are a lot of misconceptions and myths that we clear up, starting with this myth of the so-called American tech worker shortage, which is one of the -- one of the mainstays, the cornerstones of open borders propaganda, which is absolutely false. Every independent researcher and academic out there will tell you that there is no American worker tech worker shortage. And yet this is being used -- and even -- you know, even far-flung aspects of this debate. And it's another aspect of which we've talked about a lot, which is the connection to -- to even things like Common Core. Why is it that Bill Gates has spent hundreds of millions of dollars shilling for Common Core? Why? Because he needs it to perpetuate the myth that there aren't enough high-skilled, smart American workers to do these jobs. He just doesn't want to pay them what they need to be paid.
GLENN: So is that what it is? This is more of money than ideology?
MICHELLE: Well, I think it's both. And, clearly, from the Legion of Doom chapter where we talk about many of these DC front groups, you've got this bizarro alliance between far left progressives like Soros and people who are supposed to be -- supposed to be limited government advocates who believe in American sovereignty, many groups that will shock you, and many so-called mainstream Republicans who are on board with this agenda. Clearly there's some ideological deal going on there where the far left and the big business right meet.
But, you know, ultimately, I think obviously it is about the bottom line and dollars.
And I'll tell you, one of the things that really chafes my hide, Glenn, is when these people tell me that I do not believe in a free market, when it's the likes of Google and Apple and their acolytes on Capitol Hill who are conspiring to rig the market. That's what these H-1B programs and a number of other guest worker programs are all about. It's about fixing the game for their special interests.
GLENN: Michelle Malkin is going to be joining me on television tonight. You don't want to miss it at 5 o'clock. She's the author of a new book Sold Out: How High-Tech Billionaires and Bipartisan Beltway Crap Weasels Are Screwing America's Best and Brightest Workers.
Michelle, it's always good to have you on.
When I talk to you tonight at 5:00, I'd like to spend a few minutes with you that how is it that you, me, Jonah Goldberg have become the ones who have sold out the conservatives and people like Ann Coulter are carrying the torch. I'd like you to help me understand that a little bit.
MICHELLE: All right. Sounds good, Glenn.
GLENN: 5 o'clock. Thank you.