Virginia “Ginni” Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, sat down with Glenn Thursday morning on The Glenn Beck Program. Broadcasting live from CPAC in Washington D.C., Glenn talked with Mrs. Thomas about the passing of Antonin Scalia, Donald Trump's presidential run and her support for Texas Sen. Ted Cruz.
GLENN: You have lived in a nasty world for a very long time. And yet, you're happy. You're a happy conservative warrior.
GINNI: Well, most days. Some of my friends might not say that happens every day. But, yeah, I'm from Nebraska. I've got to fight for the country, like my parents did. I'm my mother's daughter more than my husband's wife.
GLENN: My wife has become more and more protective of me. And we were in Vegas, and these women really --- they were Trump supporters --- and they were nasty. I mean, really Brownshirt nasty. And I saw a different side of my wife come out. I mean, it was almost a chick fight. It was amazing. Do you have a hard time not saying things?
GINNI: Oh, my husband is the best man walking the face of the earth. And, yeah, I'm going to do everything I can. We're in a fight for the country, and it's over ideas. And I believe the husband's ideas are in line with Ginni's ideas and what my parents believed in for the country. And so, yeah, you fight for your ideas. That's what CPAC is about, that's what we're doing every day. Why even do this unless you cared passionately about your beliefs and your principles?
GLENN: How is he holding up with the passing of Scalia? It must be weird to work with people for so long, and everybody in that room is a legend.
GINNI: Yes, he was. He's a great --- I mean, I can't even use it in the past, but Justice Scalia fills the world, not just a room, not just the court. I mean, he was gregarious and wonderful and brilliant. And the way he worked with my husband, they were like two friends from different places.
Clarence said the other day at a memorial that Scalia was from an educated, elite, northeast home, and Clarence came from an illiterate family in the southeast. But they found themselves on the path together to save the country and to believe in the Constitution and the things they were fighting for.
So now we have an assault on constitutional governance, and he fights on the inside over there, and he's lost a big friend. And it's painful, as any death is of a very close friend. And yet, it has national repercussions. And it will probably be really bad. So we've got to fight even harder, Glenn.
GLENN: I saw that it was strange to see in the newspaper that your husband asked a question, and it was like, stop the world . . . Clarence Thomas said something! But I took that as your husband recognizing the position and the void and stepping into some new shoes.
GINNI: Yes, I was surprised too. He came home at like 3 o'clock. I was like, "What happened?" I always hear about it on the outside. So he said, "I think Sam needs some more help now," meaning Sam Alito. I mean, you know, Nino Scalia filled a big room, and the oral arguments and everything. So, you know, everybody has to step up when somebody big has come out of the picture and died.
So that's what I felt like when Barbara Olsen died. Like, I had to stop being in the shadows. I had to be more out there. So Barbara Olsen did that for me in a way that I'm sure Justice Scalia's passing will do for a lot of people who followed and loved him.
GLENN: As I was reflecting on his life, I thought to myself, I wish we would have focused on this. The friendship between him and Ginsburg --- is, quite honestly, I think one of the most important legacies that he left. That you can be polar opposites, and yet you can be dear, dear friends.
GINNI: She spoke at the memorial just the other day at the Mayflower. So that's available on C-SPAN too. And her words about her friend that she --- they both disagreed with each other, are very compelling. And are a model for civility and disagreement among Americans who love America.
GLENN: Let's talk a little about, what do you think is happening with the country and with Ted Cruz's chances? I mean, I know you're a political activist. You're wearing a #CruzCrew button.
GINNI: Yes, yes. I think there's one more chance for Ted Cruz. I think Marco Rubio needs to leave. I think it would be mano a mano and conservative versus establishment if we could have Ted Cruz versus Donald Trump. And Donald Trump was kind of my second choice until I started seeing more about him. And when the establishment started embracing him, I started like, "Hmm. Maybe that's not --- maybe I should learn more."
GLENN: What was your pivot point?
GINNI: When the establishment embraced him in order to take Cruz out. They are so threatened by Ted Cruz because they know the man is principled. And so he might not be the guy you want over for dinner. But he is our Churchillian candidate who can right the ship. What do you think?
GLENN: How much trouble are we in? Will you vote for Donald Trump if he's the candidate?
GINNI: Ask me that later, please. I don't know. I, I guess I have to. I don't really want to answer that right now.
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