Matt Kibbe and Chris Rufer joined Glenn on Tuesday for a fascinating conversation about Libertarianism. Kibbe is the former president of FreedomWorks and Rufer, a tomato tycoon, recently made the largest super-PAC donation in the history of the Libertarian Party. Could this be the year of the Libertarian?
"Most people don't understand [Libertarian concepts] because of the two-party system. ...I'm shocked at Gary Johnson. He is reaching out almost seemingly blatantly, intentionally, and in spite of conservatives that are looking for an answer, and trying to reach right to the Bernie Sanders people. And that is uber concerning and uber strange for people who don't understand Libertarianism," Glenn said. "Can you help on that one? Help explain that one?"
Rufer, who applied Libertarian principles to build his company, jumped in to answer.
"Well, I can explain how Gary is pursuing his campaign. He's basically Libertarian. But a lot of people, as you mentioned about stripping here or doing unusual things, take Libertarianism as being libertine. And that is not Libertarianism," Rufer said.
What's the difference?
"Libertine is just do everything you want," Rufer explained. "Libertarianism has very strong values, but their values are very fundamental. Simply, not initiating force against other folks and not stealing their property. So I think you said it correctly. You have people who are liberals --- and I perceive liberals as a set of personal values --- and conservatives are folks that have strong personal values. And they're all good. The unique aspect of Libertarianism is the agreement that we're not going to use physical force against each other. To advance our ideas, our particular morals about smoking, taking whatever drugs or helping poor people. So we're going to use persuasion instead of coercion."
Later in the discussion, Kibbe also chimed in on the topic.
"The difference between a libertine and a Libertarian is that there are all sorts of rules and institutions and ways that we respect fellow human beings that have nothing to do with government. And we actually take it a step forward. We think government corrupts those values when it codifies these things, and everything gets screwed up once you let politics start deciding what's right and wrong. But that doesn't mean that everybody gets to do whatever they want. It means that values come from the bottom up, from people working together in voluntary association, instead of some subcommittee taking a 5-4 vote, deciding, 'Hey, this is the definition of marriage today.'" Kibbe explained.
"If we can understand almost a reverse progressivism and start to move the Libertarians and go, 'Okay, yes, there's your goal.' But you've got 100 years of wiring to undo in the American mind. That's going to take a Herculean effort --- and strategy," Glenn said.
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Featured Image: Matte Kibbe on The Glenn Beck Program, Tuesday, June 21, 2016.