Bill O'Reilly, host of The O'Reilly Factor on Fox News, joined The Glenn Beck Program on Thursday to talk about his latest book in the Killing series, Killing the Rising Sun: How America Vanquished World War II Japan. The sixth book in the massively popular series sold 103,000 copies its very first day of release.
Read below or listen to the full segment for answers to these scintillating questions:
• Did Glenn take it easy on O'Reilly or make his life a living hell?
• Does O'Reilly have a brown, blue or black belt in karate?
• Did Glenn actually read Killing the Rising Sun?
• What horrific atrocities did the Japanese commit that compare to the Nazis and ISIS?
• Why was dropping the atomic bomb the compassionate way to end the war?
• Which living presidents would or would not have dropped the bomb, according to O'Reilly?
• Will O'Reilly's next book be Killing Harambe?
Listen to this segment from The Glenn Beck Program:
Below is a rush transcript of this segment, it might contain errors:
GLENN: Let's bring, the one, the only, the legend, the man, Mr. Bill O'Reilly.
BILL: Beck, is that ABBA singing your little theme song there? I thought they were retired.
PAT: First thing out of his mouth, right?
GLENN: I mean, right out of the chute.
BILL: I was getting on my dancing machine on here.
GLENN: Look what happens. Right out of the chute.
So, Bill, let me ask you this.
GLENN: I have been threatened by Sean Hannity using his karate on me.
GLENN: Do you have a brown belt or a blue belt or a black belt?
BILL: Only in intellectual prowess.
GLENN: Okay. So there's no threats coming your way?
BILL: Never, Beck. You know, you're my pal. Why would I do that?
GLENN: Well, let's not exaggerate.
GLENN: So Bill is off killing someone else. A new book. This one is Killing the Rising Sun. He's run out of people to kill. Now he's killing an entire nation of people.
PAT: Wow. Wow.
GLENN: The hatred never stops with Bill O'Reilly.
BILL: Yeah, I know.
GLENN: The book is Killing of the Rising Sun: How America Vanquished World War II Japan.
So, Bill, what's in here that, you know, makes it worth reading?
BILL: Well, first of all, when the book was released on Tuesday, the first day out, it sold 103,000 copies.
GLENN: A lot of stupid people. Why -- what's in it?
BILL: You said a lot of stupid people?
GLENN: I mean, why -- I mean, what's in there?
BILL: Come on.
GLENN: I mean, you can get -- you know, I know the power of Bill O'Reilly. He hypnotizes you. He looks --
BILL: Look, this is the sixth book in the series. If they weren't any good, believe me, 100,000 people wouldn't be buying them the first day.
Your question about what you learn is a good one because history has been kind of trampled by boring people who just recite things that they've been told.
GLENN: Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
BILL: This one puts you on Iwo Jima, Saipan, and Hiroshima. You, the reader, will experience what happened there. And that's the formula that makes the Killing book successful, is that it's just not a resuscitation of facts. It's drama and real people.
And our research centers around Marines and soldiers and Naval people who wrote letters, not pinheads and, you know, who did all this research about -- you know, talking to this one and that one. We got down with the folks.
And one of the compelling stories that I know you'll enjoy once you get around to having someone read the book to you --
BILL: -- is how a woman survived Hiroshima by being three minutes late to her job. And that's the kind of stuff we have.
GLENN: Well, I read that story because I did read the book.
BILL: Did you really?
GLENN: No, I'm lying completely.
BILL: Not completely.
GLENN: Right. But I thought I'd give it a shot here for a second.
No, Bill, here's the thing that I really like your perspective on. What is -- why do we not know who the Japanese really were?
BILL: Because it's not politically correct --
GLENN: But when did that --
BILL: -- for the public school education system to actually tell the urchins the truth about their country.
GLENN: So, but when did that -- when did that happen? Because World War II, you were about 70.
GLENN: So what --
-- when did -- did we know during World War II that they were slaughtering 20 million Chinese, that they were, you know, having games of butchery? Did we know those things at the time?
BILL: Yeah, it was reported in the Chinese atrocities in the '30s, the major newspapers in America did report that the Japanese went in and murdered people, raped women, you know, en masse. That was recorded.
But then when World War II started, unlike the European theater where there was a lot of American reporters, there were very few in the Pacific theater. It was, number one, too dangerous to drop them on the islands. And, number two, MacArthur who was in charge of the Pacific theater as you know, didn't want the American public to see what kind of horror was unfolding on these islands because there were no prisoners on either side. Nobody took prisoners.
So they did not want that reported. And therefore, there was a news blackout. And to this day, people really don't know what happened and how Japan was defeated, which is why I wrote the book.
GLENN: Yeah. We've done an interview on the book before, and a much more serious one than this. But I can't take another 15 minutes of you being serious.
But you and I did an interview. And I did an episode that's going to air soon on the show that I do called The Vault, where we're talking about World War II and the Japanese. And I don't know if you're aware of Unit 731. Bill, are you aware of that?
BILL: No, I am not.
GLENN: Okay. This is unbelievable. Unit 731, we're doing the same kinds of things that the nasty Nazi doctors were doing. They were -- they were doing live vivisections.
BILL: This is the Japanese?
GLENN: The Japanese were doing it.
BILL: Right. Right. Right.
GLENN: We excused all of them. And said, "Hey, in exchange for the research, we won't try you." I'm just puzzled by why we don't look at the communists and their atrocities. We don't look at the Japanese and their atrocities. But we focus all on the German and then we call our --
GLENN: Us saving the world from those nightmares, atrocities.
BILL: Look, the problem with the reportage after Japan was defeated is that there was censorship. There was censorship in the European theater. But the European theater was so in-your-face when they liberated the concentration camps and then Hitler was this evil icon -- they didn't have that in Japan. MacArthur was sympathetic to the Japanese people. He had a long history with his father of dealing with them.
So he didn't want to crush them like Patton did. He wanted to defeat them. And, by the way, MacArthur was against dropping the atom bomb because he wanted to invade and get the glory of the victory himself.
GLENN: And just to prove to you that I did read the book, you talk about him being in Manila at the time. You want to describe that?
BILL: Right. Well, MacArthur was not a battlefield commander, per se. He stayed behind the lines and was a glory hound. Not like -- it was totally the opposite for Patton, but MacArthur was a good tactician.
I mean, I think Nimitz was probably better. But the combination of the Army and Navy commanders, you know, put the Japanese on the defensive from the beginning.
However, the question is: Why were we leaning towards the Japanese? There's two reasons why the United States, Harry Truman, and MacArthur didn't punish them the way the Germans were punished.
Number one, the Japanese people pretty much cooperated. They didn't give us a hard time. They surrendered. And once it was over, it was over.
Number two, we did execute Tojo and a number of other war criminals, but there wasn't that hunt that there was for the SS. Because, again, they were so demonized -- the concentration camps were so overwhelmingly emotional, that the authorities had to do that. And Patton got in trouble because he didn't really want to go in and take apart the German society.
But in Japan, MacArthur got away with pretty much leaving the status quo. Hirohito actually kept his job as emperor. They didn't remove him. He didn't have any power, but they didn't want any trouble with the Japanese. They wanted them to fall into line.
GLENN: Yeah. And they actually thought -- because the peasants were so convinced that they were winning, that after that last bomb, they actually thought that there was a chance that the peasants would take over the military and continue the war. We didn't know until the very last minute.
BILL: Well, they weren't going to surrender. There's no doubt about that. The Japanese were not going to surrender. And if anybody thinks they were, then you're just a fool. Because even after Hiroshima, they didn't surrender. And they were arming children, women --
GLENN: Right. Yeah, last man --
BILL: Even though Tokyo was destroyed literally by conventional bombing, that still didn't break the Japanese spirit. There still wasn't a coup d'etat against Hirohito. There was an attempt, but it was fought back.
GLENN: Do you think this was -- do you think history is against America or against atomic weapons or both? Because the firebombing -- hang on just a second.
BILL: Go ahead.
GLENN: The firebombing in Tokyo --
PAT: Killed more people.
GLENN: Killed many more people.
GLENN: And a group of homeless the size of Chicago came out of that city. A hundred twenty-five miles was destroyed by firebombing, and yet you don't hear that.
BILL: No. Because the other bomb is such a specter.
BILL: That people lock into that. And, by the way, when you're hearing North Korea testing and Iranian nukes, the nuclear weapons we have today are 100,000 times more powerful than the atom bomb.
So when you read Killing the Rising Sun and you're imagining the horror that took place there, I mean, it's unspeakable what would happen now if they ever drop these things.
But you basically have -- the reason why I wrote this book was because of Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Obama's former pastor, when he said after 9/11, justifying the attack, that America's chickens have come home to roost because we dropped the bombs on Japan.
That so offended me. I was so appalled, I said, "You know what, some day I'm going to write a book and correct the record on this." And that's how that book got on the board.
GLENN: I will tell you, Bill, it is a fantastic book. And what you've done with the presidents afterwards -- you've gone back to the living presidents. And Bill Clinton wouldn't participate and neither would Barack Obama. But the other ones would participate.
GLENN: And you asked them, "Would you have done it?" And you don't believe that Bill Clinton answered that because he doesn't want to have to answer to the left. Doesn't want controversy now.
BILL: Right. You know, I asked five living presidents to give me a personal letter whether they would have supported Truman and dropped the bomb. The two Bushes and Jimmy Carter did. And they all said they would have dropped the atom bomb. Obama did not. Just speculation, just on my part, just speculation, I just don't think he would have dropped it.
PAT: I don't either.
GLENN: I don't either.
JEFFY: No way.
PAT: Do you think Bill Clinton would have?
BILL: Yes. But I didn't -- you absolutely hit it. Clinton didn't want to, you know, raise any controversy on the left by saying that. And so he passed.
GLENN: You know, it is -- and you point this out in the book -- it was the compassionate thing to do. Millions would have died on both sides. Millions.
BILL: Yes. No doubt.
PAT: Didn't they estimate 4 million Japanese -- four million Japanese were saved by a non-invasion?
BILL: Yeah. Because they were -- you have to understand the mindset. It was a lot like the Nazi mindset.
GLENN: More like ISIS, I think.
BILL: Well, it's the same thing. I always say ISIS is the Hitler-lite. I mean, that's what they are. There's no difference between the Third Reich and the SS and all that and ISIS. There's no difference.
But the mindset is, look, we're willing to give our life for the emperor, Hirohito, living god. And wait until you see this guy. When you read the book, what Hirohito is really like -- and this is the living god? I mean, it's worse than Henry VIII, founding a religion in England. I mean, come on.
GLENN: No. It's pretty nuts.
STU: Bill, you bring up the Nazi side of this. And, you know, Hitler thought, as we're losing -- as we're retreating, I want the bridges blown up. I want all of our infrastructure destroyed so the enemy doesn't get a hold of it.
And there were people there, like Albert Speer, who said, "Hey, wait a minute I'm not going to do that," and defied his orders at the last minute, even with all that dedication. Were there people like that on the Japanese side?
BILL: Not that we know of. Because it was -- the Japanese secret police were more effective than the Gestapo. And if there were any dissenters, they were beheaded immediately.
GLENN: It was bad.
BILL: You know, that society was so tight and so closed.
But one of the interesting parts about Killing the Rising Sun is the reason that FDR fast-tracked the atom bomb research in New Mexico was because Hitler was doing it. And they feared -- they being the American authorities, they feared the Third Reich would get this bomb. And, of course, if they had gotten it, they would have used it. And that's why Hitler was allowed to hang on by his generals. Because his generals knew that they had these super weapons in development. And that would turn the thing around, which is why they fought harder than they might have.
But the Japanese were a different story. The Japanese were so fanatical and so crazy that they were going to die for the emperor because that's their code, Bushido, you know, you have to die for the emperor. And they were. And that includes little kids, women, everybody.
GLENN: Bill, always good to have you on. And, well, no, it's not. But this time, it was good to have you on. And I appreciate it.
BILL: You know, I really appreciate you having me on your fine program, and I want you to do me one favor. Will you do one favor?
GLENN: Thanks, brother. I'll try.
BILL: All right. Say hello to ABBA for me. I really am a big fan.
GLENN: All right. Bill O'Reilly.
STU: So you actually did read the book this time?
GLENN: Not one word of it. Not one word. And I didn't want to break my record of Bill O'Reilly books at this point.
PAT: It sounds great. It sounds great.
GLENN: Oh, it is. It is. I've read enough of it. And he was on with me. We're doing a deal on The Vault, where he's a guest on The Vault. And we're talking about this. And I have artifacts that he had never seen. We took him out. We have 8,000 artifacts, historic artifacts in The Vault. And next week is the premiere episode. Next Wednesday on TheBlaze TV.
And in an upcoming episode, we talk about this. And when you hear who the Japanese were -- you've never heard these stories before.
GLENN: You've never heard them before. And there's -- if you knew them, there would be no -- not a second of thought about, should we have dropped the bomb? And one reason -- he wrote this book. The other reason why -- it's the same reason I'm doing, like, The Vault and His Story. I'm doing these two shows because your kids are going to go into class, and they're going to have to -- they'll be asked this question. The only thing on Common Core is about the United States dropping the bomb. That's all they included in the Common Core tests for World War II.
PAT: And no context.
GLENN: No context at all.
GLENN: Your kids have to have context. And they will not find it in schoolbooks. So Bill O'Reilly's book and also The Vault that's on Wednesdays on TheBlaze TV.
PAT: And get this one. Because Bill is running out of dead people to kill. So...
GLENN: Oh, no. His next thing -- I don't know. Who is he going to be killing next? What country? What continent?
JEFFY: Milky Way.
PAT: He's killed all the people, now he's killing entire countries. It will have to be the planet.
GLENN: The death ray -- the death star of books.
STU: I believe he's going to be killing Harambe. That is the next book.
JEFFY: Oh, nice.
GLENN: All of a sudden we're all going to say, "I feel like there were millions of voices that just cried out." Yeah, Bill O'Reilly just published another book.