A clear winner emerged during last night's presidential debate, and it had everything to do with style over substance.
"Pence blew him out of the water, just on presentation," Glenn said Wednesday on his radio program.
Co-host Pat Gray agreed.
"Just crushed him," he said.
Democratic vice presidential candidate Tim Kaine, who wore a red power tie, presumably to match Hillary's red power pantsuit, came off as pushy and rude.
"You know what? Their ties said it all, just like the last debate with the presidents," Glenn said.
Maybe Kaine should have worn a different color.
Read below or watch the clip for answers to these colorful questions:
• Was Kaine's plan to be most obnoxious man on planet earth?
• How many times did Kaine interrupt Pence?
• What's the one thing Pence did that Glenn found problematic?
• Did Pence score points for Donald Trump?
• Why is fact-checking different now than in the 1800s?
Below is a rush transcript of this segment, it might contain errors:
GLENN: Okay. Tim Kaine. Ooh. Wow. I don't know what his plan was, other than to be the most obnoxious man on planet earth.
PAT: Good plan. Good plan.
GLENN: Oh, my gosh.
JEFFY: He tried. He tried.
GLENN: Yeah, he interrupted 70 times.
PAT: Somebody counted? Seventy times!
GLENN: Seventy times in 90 minutes.
PAT: Oh, my --
JEFFY: It was really bad.
GLENN: It was so annoying because you couldn't understand anyone.
GLENN: And the moderator kept saying, "Senator, senator, stop."
PAT: Oh, at times it was just a cacophony of sound. Because she was trying to get control. Neither of them would let her. So it was all three of them at the same time yakking, and so you got nothing.
GLENN: He came off as a complete jerk. Both of them -- and, you know what, their ties said it all, just like the last debate with the presidents.
Their colors said it all. Tim Kaine was wearing a red tie. The red denotes power and strength, and I'm not a pushover.
GLENN: Because the Trump campaign is viewed as bullies and not credible, he was wearing a blue tie. Same with Trump. And Clinton was wearing a red pantsuit. Okay?
So Kaine was trying to show, "I'm forceful, I'm not a pushover. I'm not -- stupid. Stupid. Because that's not who Mike Pence is. Mike is not a bully. He's not. And your candidate up at the top of the ticket is just as unlikable for half the country.
PAT: At least.
GLENN: They both needed to be reasonable.
GLENN: They both needed to be, "Don't worry, America. We're not babies. We're not little kids fighting it out." And that's exactly how Kaine looked. He looked like a school yard bully. And Pence rose above it.
STU: You know, some of the analysis afterwards was basically saying that Pence won the debate, but he won the debate for Pence.
STU: He was not able to score points for Donald Trump.
STU: While Kaine just came out and while Kaine lost it for Kaine, he was able to get a lot of the points that Hillary's campaign would want out there.
GLENN: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
JEFFY: That's true. I found myself looking -- watching Pence going, "Yes, I like you. Oh, that's right, you're there for Donald Trump."
STU: Yeah. He would be a much better presidential candidate.
STU: This would be a totally different conversation, a totally different election if Pence was the actual--
GLENN: I will tell you, the thing I had a problem with, with Pence, and I thought he did really well, and I thought he won. But I had a really hard time with Pence because, you know, the one thing he had going for him was, he's an honorable guy.
PAT: And he's trying to defend the indefensible.
GLENN: No, but he didn't try to defend it.
PAT: He just changed the subject. From the clips I heard --
GLENN: No, he claimed over and over again -- Jeffy --
GLENN: He claimed he never said those things. He never said those things.
JEFFY: Come on.
GLENN: Mike, stop it. Stop it. We're not living in the 1800s. We could go back to the -- we could go back to the clips on YouTube.
PAT: That's what everybody does though, they just lie.
GLENN: They just lie.
PAT: And it works for them.
GLENN: And both of them did it.
Featured Image: Democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Kaine (L) and Republican vice presidential nominee Mike Pence (R) debate during the Vice Presidential Debate at Longwood University on October 4, 2016 in Farmville, Virginia. This is the second of four debates during the presidential election season and the only debate between the vice presidential candidates. (Photo by Andrew Gombert - Pool/Getty Images)