Leon Wolf, new Managing Editor for TheBlaze, joined The Glenn Beck Program on Wednesday for a post-VP debate analysis. Having watched Kaine for some time, Wolf said the Democratic vice presidential nominee didn't seem like himself, diplomatically calling him "grumpier" that usual and "very negative."
"He was a jerk," Glenn added, skipping the niceties.
More importantly, Wolf vocalized what he believed to be Kaine's primary objective during the debate --- and it wasn't to win.
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"I think he was assigned a job going into the debate, right? It's not to win the debate because nobody cares who wins the VP debate. He was assigned the job to get commercial material to cut," Wolf proposed.
In fact, the day following the debate, the Clinton campaign released a new ad showing Pence making contradictory statements.
"So this is the ad that they just released and dumped online . . . you see Mike Pence just shaking his head and denying each one of those charges. And I think, Leon, that was his job, to get a good viral commercial out of it, period," Glenn said.
Read below or watch the clip for answers to these soundbite-worthy questions:
• Was Tim Kaine playing a role?
• Who is winning the Bernie or bust people?
• Does Leon think Hillary or Trump will win?
• What does Jeffy do in cold, dark, lonely places?
• Are Republicans doomed?
Below is a rush transcript of this segment, it might contain errors:
GLENN: Leon Wolf is with us. He's joining us from RedState, where you helped build that thing along with Erick Erickson, for what? For the last 11 years in.
LEON: Eleven years.
GLENN: And he is now our editor and chief at TheBlaze. And we're excited to have you join us. What did you think of the debate last night?
LEON: Thank you, Glenn.
You know, it's interesting. I think a lot of people's impressions pretty much universally were -- that watched the debate -- were that Mike Pence won. I think he came off better during the course of the debate, just because Kaine -- and I've watched Tim Kaine for a long time -- didn't really seem like himself. He was much grumpier, seems like than he usually -- he was very negative.
GLENN: He was a jerk.
LEON: Yeah.
GLENN: He was a jerk. I mean, I've never seen him -- yeah, I've always heard that he was a nice guy and a gentle guy. You know, a quiet -- he was -- he was a jerk.
STU: He seems to be playing a character.
GLENN: Yeah, yeah.
STU: The same thing at the convention speech, which was weird, he was trying to be goofy and make all these jokes. And here, there was a lot of prepared lines. I don't know if that's just his role in the campaign or what. It's strange.
LEON: Well, I think -- yeah, I think he was assigned a job going into the debate. Right? It's not to win the debate. Because nobody cares who wins the VP debate. He was assigned the job -- was to get commercial material to cut. And that's what we talked about just before the show.
GLENN: So he walked in with a new commercial. And do we have this?
Hillary Clinton is the first on the air with a commercial from last night's debate. Listen. Here it says, Mike Pence realized he was running with Donald Trump last night.
TIM: Let's start with not praising Vladimir Putin as a great leader. Donald Trump and Mike Pence have said he's a great leader. And Donald Trump has --
MIKE: No, we haven't.
DONALD: Putin's been a very strong leader for Russia.
VOICE: Vladimir Putin has been a stronger leader in his country than Barack Obama has been in this country.
TIM: Donald Trump, on the other hand, didn't know that Russia had invaded the Crimea.
MIKE: Oh, that's nonsense.
DONALD: He's not going to go into Ukraine. You can mark it down. You can put it down. You can take it any way you want.
VOICE: Well, he's already there, isn't he?
VOICE: Donald Trump has said it?
TIM: A deportation force -- they want to go house to house, school to school, business to business, and kick out 16 million people. And I cannot believe --
MIKE: It's nonsense.
DONALD: You're going to have a deportation force.
MIKE: Donald Trump and I would never support legislation that would punish women.
VOICE: Should the woman be punished?
PAT: Oh, man.
DONALD: There should be some form of punishment.
TIM: More nations should get nuclear weapons. Try to defend that.
MIKE: Well, he never said that.
DONALD: Wouldn't you rather in a certain sense have Japan have nuclear weapons --
VOICE: Saudi Arabia, nuclear weapons?
DONALD: Saudi Arabia, absolutely.
TIM: Donald Trump said, keep them out if they're Muslim. Mike Pence put a program in place to --
DONALD: Total and complete shutdown of Muslims --
TIM: He is asking everybody to vote for somebody that he cannot defend.
GLENN: Okay. So this is the ad that they just released and dumped online, and it's much more effective with the visuals because you see Mike Pence just shaking his head and denying each one of those charges. And I think, Leon, that was his job is get a good viral commercial out of it, period.
LEON: Right. I mean, I think every year, the VP sideshow is much more insignificant than the presidential sideshow. But I think this year, it's doubly so.
Because I think the central question of this election is, can you see Donald Trump sitting behind the desk at the Oval Office after something like 9/11 happens? Is that something you can even possibly conceive of in your mind?
I think that's what the gut check America is being asked to do right now, is. And I think that Tim Kaine, for however he came off in the debate and probably didn't do himself any favors, I think his job was to drive that point home. And he may have scored some effective points along that line.
GLENN: I don't think he changed anybody's mind. I think he hardened people in their own -- I mean, if you were a Trump supporter, you had no problem with Pence saying, "He never said any of those things."
LEON: Well, that's what Pence has to say, right? Because he's a reasonable person. He can't say, "I agree with all the crazy things that Donald Trump has said." His only recourse is to say, "No, he never said those things."
I think that was his only possible --
GLENN: It's our job as human beings to say, "Yeah, Mike. Yes, he did."
LEON: Right.
GLENN: That's the hard thing. These politicians are putting us in a no-win situation because they're in a so-called no-win situation. So they're putting us in that no-win situation. Where we're having to go, hmm, well, he's lying, and he's lying.
I mean, this whole thing about -- I mean, you could make another commercial for Donald Trump where he's saying, you know, the Israelis loved this idea, this deal with Iran, and they've completely stopped.
No, they didn't. No, they didn't. And the Israelis don't love that idea. You know, you could make the same kind of commercial. They're both liars.
LEON: Yeah. In order to win the debate last night, Mike Pence had to prepare to lose the post debate fact-check. That was the position he was in.
GLENN: Yes.
LEON: That's probably the best-case scenario. I think he accomplished that.
GLENN: Yeah. I agree. You know, the blue tie said it all: He had to look stable. And like somebody you could go, I could see him -- as long as he's in the room with him, I would be okay with that.
STU: It's sort of a central thing that's been raised from this election too, is what do you want with people? People you interact with politically. People you interact with in the media. Do you want someone who is going to say that a candidate has lied even if you want that candidate to win? Do you want to go to someone and have a conversation and then they say, "Well, no, actually, let me give you a justification, or I will deny that he said those things," do you want that? Or do you want someone who is going to say, "Look, I want that guy to win, however, he's lying here." That --
GLENN: I want that.
STU: I want that. 100 percent, I want that. That is -- we may be in the minority on that particular point.
PAT: We may be? We absolutely are.
GLENN: We absolutely are.
PAT: We absolutely are.
GLENN: I think there's about 10 percent of the country that wants that.
PAT: They don't care. They don't care how much he lies. And neither do Hillary Clinton supporters.
STU: It's both sides, I think.
PAT: It is.
GLENN: Oh, it is.
STU: Do you think Democrats want to go turn on a media source and hear actually Donald Trump is way worse and Hillary Clinton is telling the truth about her emails, or do they want somebody saying, "Look, Donald Trump is crazy, but, you know what, Hillary Clinton is really bad on these emails. She's handling herself terribly and she's corrupt." I as a Democrat would love that.
GLENN: Right. And it's amazing because we for the last ten years have been saying, is there no one -- is there no one on the left who will say the emperor has no clothes? Is there not one honest journalist? One honest person who says, look, I'm part -- I'm not going to vote for your side, but our side is despicable here.
The answer has been no. No. We've gotten a few journalists who are at least asking some tough questions during the Obama administration, but not really. Not really taking them to task.
There hasn't been anybody on that side. And yet, when you find them -- you worked with Erick Erickson.
STU: Right.
GLENN: RedState's pretty Never Trump. I mean, Erick is taking a bludgeoning for it. A bludgeoning for it.
STU: Yeah.
GLENN: Our side at least has had a few stand up and go, "I can't play this game. I want my side to win. I think my side is right, but not on this. Because they're lying."
LEON: Yeah, you know, I definitely haven't seen -- and we were told that this was going to be the year that we have all the Bernie or bust people, right? They were like, we're going to stand by these principles, and we'll go vote for, you know, Jill Stein or whoever it is.
I think those people have much more assimilated into the Hillary Clinton machine than a lot of the Never Trump people have --
GLENN: It's interesting.
LEON: Despite what the media would have you believe. Because a lot of them say, well, this movement is dead. It's totally insignificant. And it's not true. A lot of the polls that you show -- that you see, show that one of the fundamental differences in this race is that Hillary Clinton is pulling over 90 percent of registered Democrats, which you would expect. But Donald Trump is pulling between 80 and 85 registered Republicans, and that's a major difference.
GLENN: Yeah. I saw in North Carolina because she is pulling -- she's pulling every black. She's pulling every black in North Carolina. And he is pulling, what? 60 percent, or somewhere in that area of whites.
He's -- they say, it's -- unless he picks up eight points of whites or eight points of blacks or eight points of Hispanics or a little of each, he's not going to make it. That's the analysis I saw last night.
LEON: And he's -- I saw the New York Times -- Sienna did a poll a couple weeks ago. Mitt Romney kind of eked out North Carolina because he won Mecklenburg County and suburban Charlotte white voters by over 21 points. And Hillary Clinton is running even with those voters, with the suburban, kind of wealthy Charlotte area voters.
GLENN: Wow.
LEON: They want nothing to do with Trump. And I live in a very wealthy county myself in Tennessee. And back in 2012, I saw Romney/Ryan signs everywhere. I see maybe two in my entire area --
GLENN: Okay. So but what -- how much -- Jeffy and I were having this conversation earlier today.
JEFFY: Yes.
GLENN: How many people are actually secretly for Trump?
JEFFY: In the cold, dark, lonely place of that voting booth. When it comes down to --
LEON: Right.
GLENN: You know what, I'll never tell a friend that I did it, but I'm voting for Trump because I can't take her.
JEFFY: Right.
GLENN: They'll never put a sign up, but they can vote for him.
LEON: Oh, I have no doubt, he'll win Tennessee, he'll win my county. But the enthusiasm is definitely way down between kind of your core Republican voters, you know.
GLENN: How do you see this? You see her winning or him winning at this point if it was held today?
LEON: I see her winning.
GLENN: You see her winning?
LEON: I see her winning probably by more than what the polls are predicting.
GLENN: And anything that could happen that would change that?
LEON: I think it's difficult. So all the polls basically work on assumptions, right? It's supposedly science. But it's basically an assumption by every pollster on what the electorate will look like. And one of the things that I don't think anybody knows is to what extent kind of Trump's rhetoric about Hispanics is going to affect the makeup of the electorate.
Whites and blacks in this country vote at a rate of 62-63 percent. Hispanics who are legally vote at a rate of about 51 percent. So they are drastic undervoters in this country.
GLENN: Yeah.
LEON: If -- so even though they represent -- Hispanics who are here legally represent about 17 percent of the United States population right now. They tend to pull in nine to 11 percent of the electorate. If they actually become 17 percent of the electorate, this could be a ten or 11-point whitewashing by Hillary Clinton that nobody --
GLENN: I will tell you this, if that turns out like that, the Republicans are doomed from here on out. Because that is the election that has made them Democrat for the rest of their -- for the rest of their life. The rest of their life.
Featured Image: Screenshot from Hillary's new, post-VP debate campaign ad.