Let me go to Matt in Oklahoma. He's an American Muslim. Hello, Matt. Line one. You're on.
MATT: Hey, how's it going?
GLENN: Good.
MATT: Good.
I wanted to say, I think you were a little too overzealous in saying that I support Trump. I agree with you, 100 percent. I think that -- I think that it's not a Muslim ban. I think it's more than prudent measures. I mean, I think -- I mean, I'm not happy about executive orders, but I think for the left to try to act as the saviors and the friends of the Muslim community is extremely hypocritical, seeing how much the left has bombed Muslim countries.
And more so, as a minority within the Muslim community, as a Shia, the Wahhabis -- the so-called Islamic extremists that are at that you're talking about have targeted us more than they've targeted anybody. And you can go online and watch videos in Syria of them going up to people saying, "Are you Sunni or Shia?" If they say Shia, they shoot them. And I don't want those people over here in my country because I live here. And I want to raise my kids here, and I want them to be safe, not -- you know, I don't want this to be Aleppo part two over here.
GLENN: So, Matt, how do we solve this? How does -- how do you know who the good guys and the bad guys are?
MATT: Well, again, you were exactly right.
First of all, you leave CAIR on the sidelines. Because CAIR is -- they've proven themselves time and time again to be concerned with only the views -- the same views that the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt holds, which is the same views that Hamas holds in Palestine.
GLENN: Uh-huh.
MATT: And there are many, many Muslim groups aside from CAIR that don't identify with CAIR at all. You have them -- we sit down, we talk. We -- the people that you call Islamic extremists, we call takfiris (phonetic), which means somebody who thinks that nobody is Muslim, but them. And for us, that's a pretty easy identification. There's certain things they do and say. You can always spot them. And you meet them here too. And we need to figure out, as a Muslim community, at what point do we start taking it seriously? Because it's not -- it's not Glenn Beck's job to weed out the bad apples from the Muslim community.
GLENN: Amen.
MATT: You know, and we tend to say, "Oh, well, you know, a few bad apples. It's just a few bad apples." But we're forgetting that the phrase is, a few bad apples spoils the bunch. And that's what's happening. We're not weeding out the scumbags here and abroad. And right now, you know, like you said, you have to pay for the sins of your past. And American Muslims just need to take this seriously in my opinion.
Again, I'm not 100 percent on board with the way the ban is implemented. There's definitely -- Saudi Arabia needs to be on the list. There's probably one or two countries that I would take off. But he got the list from Obama.
STU: Right.
MATT: You know, Trump isn't to blame for that.
GLENN: Yeah.
MATT: But lists aside, at what point do Muslims here take accountability and say, "Hey, this is our job?" I mean, the next guy that you say you have up, I can hear -- the gay man from Pakistan, first of all, I say (foreign language). And I'm sorry that he -- you know, I'm sorry that he's in this situation as well. I mean, it can't be easy seeing the left wanting to invite over the very people who would do serious harm to somebody like that. And, I mean, we can't take it as just -- you know, we can't be spectators in this. We have to be active participants in the securing of our own safety here.
GLENN: Thank you, Matt. I appreciate it. And that is the point too that I tried to make last half-hour is we have to be active. If you want to save refugees, we've already proven that it can be done.
We've saved 4,000. What can the Muslim community do? We couldn't get them into the United States. Okay. So we got them someplace else. You don't need the government.
Where else can they go?
STU: You need a government. Somewhere in the world to be cooperative.
GLENN: You need a government. And there will be governments that will cooperate.
Why isn't Saudi Arabia taking more of these guys?
STU: Yeah.
And he -- the caller, Matt, brings up a great point, which I think you can read this executive order, as if it's not even a Muslim ban of the specific countries. The way it's typically been talked about is, "Well, these are seven Muslim majority countries, and only religious minorities can be considered in this way, as this goes forward." But, I mean, Syria, in particular, 74 percent Sunni, 13 percent Shia. Shias have been killed like crazy over there.
GLENN: Shia is a religious minority.
STU: I think you can legitimately say that Shias qualify as a religious minority and would actually be included to be in this particular --
GLENN: I agree. I agree. And those are the ones that we should bring in. I mean, if you're going to bring them in, you want the ones -- why would the ones who are not being persecuted, the ones who are doing the persecution, why would we bring them in?
STU: Right. So I think you could absolutely read it that way. I don't know -- I mean, judging by what Rudy Giuliani said about the intent of this. He described it as Trump came to him, I want a Muslim ban. How do I do this legally?
GLENN: That is incredible that he said that.
STU: Incredible.
GLENN: Incredible that it happened that way. But incredible that he would blurt it out on television.
GLENN: Yes, yes.
STU: But if that's true, then I would assume probably not for Shias. But I think if you're looking at this as the described intent, which is to allow people who are being persecuted because of their religion to be -- to be helped, then I think Shias would fall into that from --
GLENN: I will tell you, if it doesn't include Shias, then you have something to talk about.
STU: There is another thing in this particular --
GLENN: Share it quickly.
STU: For Syria. So maybe not with that. But in the other countries, I think there's a legitimate argument to be made there.
