GLENN: So last night they had the debate. And you're looking at the fact-check. Anything big come out of the fact-check that one of them was wrong on?
STU: There's a ton of this stuff that, you know, you can nitpick. One of the things I did like was one thing that Cruz said that was rated true. Was Cruz's -- Rand Paul said this as well.
About 14 -- most of the Obamacare people are actually covered by Medicaid. 14.5 million of the 20 million that gained coverage were under Medicaid or CHIP, which is the children's health care version of it. But somewhere between a quarter and a half of that 14.5 million were already eligible for Medicaid even before Obamacare took effect. So these numbers that they're taking credit for, first of all, a lot of it is Medicaid and not the standard Obamacare we always talk about.
STU: And secondly, a decent amount of those people were already eligible for programs that existed. Just weren't on them. That's a pretty significant thing.
PAT: That's huge.
PAT: So that number of 20 million goes down to about 3 million very quickly.
GLENN: And so everybody -- you lost your doctor for 3 million people.
GLENN: Why didn't we just design something for those 3 million people?
STU: Right. And that's what a lot of the Republican plans are trying to do now.
PAT: And five to 7 million people did, lose their health care that they liked.
STU: That was another one that they fact-checked. So Cruz said 6 million people had their insurance cancelled because of Obamacare. They are -- CNN -- or, excuse me, PolitiFact is the one doing this. They are saying that independent researchers estimated it was only 2.6 million.
GLENN: That's a lie.
STU: And then only 1 million ended up with no coverage at all. Of course, that wasn't the standard at all.
STU: The standard was, "Would you lose your coverage?" So they're saying -- but even like the fact-check on it is saying only three million people were actually told they were going to lose their insurance.
GLENN: Guys, I went to the doctor yesterday for the first time. I had to pay a 45-dollar copay. Our copays used to be free.
GLENN: Then they were $10.
PAT: Then it was 20.
GLENN: Then it was 20. Now it's $45. Why?
PAT: Sometimes more than that, depending on where you go.
GLENN: Because of Obamacare. Because they changed this and the insurance companies no longer even provide the insurance that I want to provide for the staff.
PAT: And we went from no deductible to deductibles, so...
GLENN: Right. So don't tell me that it was only 7 million or 3 million that lost their coverage. We are all covered. But we're all covered in ways that are much more expensive and not as good.
STU: Yeah. And premiums have risen by -- and this is in the fact-check. Cruz said they're skyrocketing. Premiums have risen by an average of 25 percent across the states that use the federal exchange.
STU: Highest increases in Arizona. 116 percent. Oklahoma was 69 percent.
GLENN: Oh, my gosh. Jeez.
STU: But, like, I love this little disclaimer they put at the end: But it's important to note that 81 percent of consumers qualified for subsidies to help blunt the cost of their care.
PAT: So the rest of us are paying for it.
STU: Right. The rest of us are still paying for it. It still costs a lot more. It's just now you have other people that are footing the bill for it. That doesn't mean you're saving money.
GLENN: It costs a lot more, and your taxes will have to go up, or our debt goes up because somebody has to pay for that. That's crazy. It's absolutely crazy.