GLENN: Well, the G.O.P. has -- is starting to back off their tax cut of repealing of Obamacare funding, if you will, the taxes that went along with it.
PAT: Well, they went to the trillion dollar candy store, and they took out the candy, and now they don't want to give the candy back.
GLENN: Of course not.
PAT: That's every single time.
JEFFY: Every time.
PAT: That's what we said when Obamacare was being debated, "If you get its tentacles into the system, you're never going to get them out." And that's what we're finding now. It's pretty difficult to get them out.
GLENN: That's why they pole vaulted into it. That's why they didn't care by hook or by crook. They knew: Just get it done. Just pass it. Once you pass it, you'll never undo it.
PAT: And then they're going to be really hard-pressed to repeal any of these taxes because what Democrats will say, "Well, you just want to cut taxes for the rich, for the wealthy Americans." Because this happens on the upper percent of -- of -- of health care insurance. Right? It's not everybody pays this tax. It's just the wealthier Americans that are stuck with, what was it? 3 percent, 4 percent tax?
STU: Is it a tax cut if you were paying a rate in 2010 and your rate goes up for a few years, and then it goes back to the 2008 rate. We're calling that a cut? I just want to make sure I understand the terminology here. That's a cut.
PAT: That's amazing.
STU: Because Obama raised it for a few years and then his ridiculous bill repealed. That's a cut for us now? We're going back to the same rates that when he started his administration. It wouldn't be this ridiculous cut. It's getting rid of excess taxes he passed.
GLENN: You just don't care about the debt. You don't care about the deficit or the debt.
STU: Oh, I can find lots of stuff on that for you.
GLENN: That's un-American to have a deficit spending like we have. We have $20 trillion in debt now, and you don't care about it. You're just going to add to the debt.
STU: I love that.
PAT: And when they want to raise the debt ceiling, they'll say, the debt doesn't matter. The debt is not what's important. That doesn't matter.
GLENN: I know.
STU: It's whatever argument works for them in the next 30 seconds is the one they use.
STU: But we need to be better than that.
GLENN: If we really understood how this is going to enslave our children, we'd be working a lot harder to stop it.
STU: I don't know. We've worked pretty hard. We've tired. I think this audience has tried.
GLENN: No, no. I don't mean us, as a whole. As American people. As the whole, when we see that no one is going to forgive our debt, no one is going to forgive this debt.
You know, Brazil and China, they're not going to say, "Oh, you know what, America really tried, and they were good to the rest of the world. And I know they forgave a lot of debt. So we'll forgive debt." They're not going to do that for us. That's not going to happen.
We will still have to pay this debt back. And we'll pay it in our resources or our labor. We are literally enslaving our children.
STU: And the way the Republicans have tried to do this is by passing two budget bills in the same year, which is very abnormal. But the way they tried to do it was to get both the taxes and the Obamacare repeal done quickly.
What it looks like now is that that scheduling might wind up killing both of them because -- and they're going to say, "Well, it's procedural. You don't understand. Oh, no. We couldn't get either one done."
And that is the way it's trending right now. They still have time to reverse it, but it gets more and more difficult by the day.
PAT: Uh-huh. And here's what John Cornyn -- john Cornyn of Texas said, "Whatever we do in replacement is going to cost some money. And is there a way to generate money if we ditch all the Obamacare tax revenues?" That's where we haven't achieved consensus.
STU: Oh, man.
PAT: You slimy dirtbags.
STU: Wow. We deserve this. We do.
PAT: It doesn't cost you money. You're just taking less from us.
PAT: That's not costing you money. You're cost us money right now! Stop it!
STU: And if you go back to the beginning of Obamacare --
PAT: Unbelievable, man.
STU: -- let's say they didn't go to Obamacare. Overton window example here, if we could go back to that. The amount of Obamacare that the Republicans are pledging to essentially keep, which is a decent percentage of Obamacare, even in these repeal plans, a lot of it stays, if Democrats just attempted to pass a bill with the stuff Republicans are now saying will stay from Obamacare, they would have never been able to get it through, not with Republican support at least.
So instead, they pass this giant thing. It backs off to only half of it. And we're like, wow, what a win. We repealed it.
We repealed, what? They got half of their agenda through. And now it's Republicans' fault when it blows up. This is not a win. They need to actually go in there and replace it with something good and repeal everything.
PAT: They need to replace it with the free market.
STU: With the free freaking market.
PAT: Free market.
STU: Why not? Why not? Wouldn't that be a wonderful thing to try.
GLENN: Our bar is so high. Why not?
STU: Why not? Give it a whirl.
GLENN: Why not? We'll try the free market.
PAT: We'll try the free market. Let's try the American way.
GLENN: Let's just give it a shot. Why not?
PAT: What a concept.
GLENN: Why not?